I remember in the 80s when a C&C was sailing past. It commanded respect and awe…and a little envy. Thanks for your excellent research and story telling! Really well done.
Well researched Tim! I looked after and raced a C&C 40 for a number of years, getting the opportunity for week-long cruises as well. A roomy but dark interior, a long way down from the high bridge deck to the cabin sole. But sailing ability! Wow! As a cruiser you just looked for the opportunity to go to windward in a breeze. Like the boat was on rails! Another excellent presentation.
I was a race crew member on a C&C 38 #001 back in the late 70's in Pickering Ontario, we had a crew of 8 and just about always came in first unless we blew a spinnaker in heavy winds and perhaps even that didn't matter we would still win it was almost embarrassing, lol. So much love and respect for the C&C line they are beautiful boats.
@@alasdairblack393 Cool! Nice to know thanks. She was a great boat to race on. Hope she is doing well, quite an old gal by now. My skipper was second owner and bought it direct from I believe George Cuthbertson of C&C, but if I can find the name back then I'll get back to you.
We have a 1970 redline hull number 14, if you ever get rhe chance I would like to chat about them maybe exchange some pictures. We are currently doing a major refit on ours.
Hello Tim, an interesting topic would be the art of anchoring. Starting with surveying the potential anchor location to avoid snagging rocks, the benefits of the anchor snubber, checking for drag post anchor setting, preparing the rigging to avoid squeaking of the boom in a rolly location, and the rattling of the lines hitting the mast, etc., etc. The topic is usually not covered in sailing courses, such as the American Sailing Association 103 or 104. Neither the text books, nor the practical course mentions this, but a lot of inconvenience can be spared if a novice sailor is equipped with the right knowledge.
I remember standing on the dock waiting for the racers to return, when the C&C would come in 20 minutes before everything else. Have lusted for one ever since. And this was the early 80s!!
Tim, you mentioned the C&C Mega 30. I crewed on one from IOWA, on Lake of the Woods, Ontario side, in the 90's. There where two of them on the lake, for the LOWISA Regatta. Enjoyable times. Best wishes.
My all-time fave. I raced for a few years in the early '70's out of Rochester on a Redline. Sailed the course races, Ontario and the Mac's. A great design, at the end of the Atomic Four and Ice Box days. Pre roller furling. Wow whatta time.
We have a 1985 37 we mainly cruise in the PNW. Love the build and sailing characteristics-a delight to sail. Cruiser compromises, like our cabin-top traveller, can be made less clunky with upgrades in hardware and running rigging. The boat was raced hard in the 90s before being well rejuvenated for later life. Lot’s of those around for 40-50k.
Mike Valmer of c&c designed the boat my dad bought as a blue water cruiser Hal an horizon 27 cutter only 57 Halmans were built not many were cutter rig. We took ours to the Bahamas in 89 from grimsby. And back she was. A round stern 27 foot. Not a racer. But very inspired by c&c modified keel
Thanks for the videos and information! I would like to see the pictures and your description match up though. It's a bit distracting when I'm looking at pictures of the V-berth while you're talking about the engine and then I'm looking at the galley pictures while you're describing the V-berth. Maybe I'm just a simpleton, but I think that would take your videos to the next level. Cheers
I've raced on GLIM and live in Rowayton, CT (your first picture). Also a bunch of years racing a C&C 38 (less 1-Ton influenced than others like my Yankee 38). Woodworking storage instead of the pilot berths makes it a better cruising boat.
its good to hear someone give examples of good older (ie.more affordable) designs from north america as we see some of these boats make it to our part of the world (Aus/NZ/sth Pacific Is) and hear stories of bargain price(comparatively) good quality boats from up there lots of these boats do the down hill 'coconut milk run' from the west coast of America and if set up correctly are perfectly capable of huge Tradewinds passages keep up the good work it seems I learn of a different design to consider every time I watch your videos 👍
One of my first experiences was sailing in a 1985, C&C 41 in the BVI. That was in 1986. What a fantastic boat. It’s so sad that all of these incredible manufacturers from the 70s and 80s have gone out of business. My first boat was a CS (Canadian sailcraft)33 built in 1985 again a great boat, but alas, I now have a Dufour 412, which has all the styling of a Scandinavian condominium.
Good review, however, I think a few items should be addressed for each boat going forward. - Rig type and durability. - Core; I did see one comment below on this; super critical for older boats. - Engine access - Liner or not; I know in this one you mentioned there is no liner, but looking at the pictures it looks like a liner to me. The reason this is critical, is that repairs are far more difficult with a liner. I want to see pictures down in the bilge, and poking around where most don't look. Overall, I think construction quality is the most important item to be addressed for older boats, as the $38-50k initial price is only the starting point of the spending.
I spent a bit of time on many c&cs in the eighties. The landfall ( we used to call them landfills) series was a substantial departure from their race versions which pointed much better. The company closed up their Rhode Island operation by the mid eighties. I suspect the landfalls had something to do with it. Beware of the quality of the later boats as the company was in full financial retreat and the cost cutting showed.
Great video thx for it , C&C are good all around boats you really can't go wrong with one and if you get one that was raced you will get more sails than your garage has room for 😂 P.S an old land yacht parked in front of garage makes pretty good storage for sails 🙂
Not for me. The discrepancy between the LOA and LWL, skinny transom and overall narrow hull resulting in low square footage compared to the newer designs make these suitable for the museum only.
I have a C&C 41 and I’m in awe how well this boat sails an absolute joy!
I remember in the 80s when a C&C was sailing past. It commanded respect and awe…and a little envy. Thanks for your excellent research and story telling! Really well done.
Sailed my 1973 C&C39 from Seattle to Sydney Aus over a couple years, very little engine use cause she sailed so well:)
Well researched Tim! I looked after and raced a C&C 40 for a number of years, getting the opportunity for week-long cruises as well. A roomy but dark interior, a long way down from the high bridge deck to the cabin sole. But sailing ability! Wow! As a cruiser you just looked for the opportunity to go to windward in a breeze. Like the boat was on rails! Another excellent presentation.
Sold my first house while sailing the Gulf Island on a C&C39 back in 1986. A fantastic 10days of sailing.
I was a race crew member on a C&C 38 #001 back in the late 70's in Pickering Ontario, we had a crew of 8 and just about always came in first unless we blew a spinnaker in heavy winds and perhaps even that didn't matter we would still win it was almost embarrassing, lol. So much love and respect for the C&C line they are beautiful boats.
That boat is now called Ghost and is in RNYC Newfoundland. I also have a C&C38 Mk 1 at the same club. There are 4 C&C38s there.
@@alasdairblack393 Cool! Nice to know thanks. She was a great boat to race on. Hope she is doing well, quite an old gal by now. My skipper was second owner and bought it direct from I believe George Cuthbertson of C&C, but if I can find the name back then I'll get back to you.
@@alasdairblack393 I just confirmed the name was "Sunshine"
I have one of the few built C&C 40-2AC, Aft Cabin. We absolutely love it. Cruising is very doable, but racing is a blast!
One of your best video reviews. These are very nice boats that do well on beer can and Saturday races. Thanks for sharing.
You piqued my interest with their Landfall series. Would love to hear more about that. Thanks as always for great videos.
I had two of them C&C39 (number 1 haul) and after having kids a Redline41. Fabulous boats. We won many awards on Lake Erie racing the 39.
We have a 1970 redline hull number 14, if you ever get rhe chance I would like to chat about them maybe exchange some pictures. We are currently doing a major refit on ours.
@@HistoryRats
I had a 1971, I think they only built 18. I sold the old girl 16 years ago, she’s now on Lake Michigan.
@timjohnson4614 finding other Redline owners is kind of difficult 😕
hello i have 39 no 9 hull can you connect to tell me more about 39 ....i have it like new in greece
@@pappaschr
Hello Tim, an interesting topic would be the art of anchoring. Starting with surveying the potential anchor location to avoid snagging rocks, the benefits of the anchor snubber, checking for drag post anchor setting, preparing the rigging to avoid squeaking of the boom in a rolly location, and the rattling of the lines hitting the mast, etc., etc. The topic is usually not covered in sailing courses, such as the American Sailing Association 103 or 104. Neither the text books, nor the practical course mentions this, but a lot of inconvenience can be spared if a novice sailor is equipped with the right knowledge.
I remember standing on the dock waiting for the racers to return, when the C&C would come in 20 minutes before everything else. Have lusted for one ever since. And this was the early 80s!!
Hi Tim, great episode on the C&C
Tim, you mentioned the C&C Mega 30. I crewed on one from IOWA, on Lake of the Woods, Ontario side, in the 90's. There where two of them on the lake, for the LOWISA Regatta.
Enjoyable times.
Best wishes.
Nice short description. The C&C 41 is on my top ten list of boats of all time. It takes what the 40 is to another level.
My all-time fave. I raced for a few years in the early '70's out of Rochester on a Redline. Sailed the course races, Ontario and the Mac's. A great design, at the end of the Atomic Four and Ice Box days. Pre roller furling. Wow whatta time.
I learned how to sail on a C&C 40 on the Chesapeake Bay. Great memories!
We have a 1985 37 we mainly cruise in the PNW. Love the build and sailing characteristics-a delight to sail. Cruiser compromises, like our cabin-top traveller, can be made less clunky with upgrades in hardware and running rigging. The boat was raced hard in the 90s before being well rejuvenated for later life. Lot’s of those around for 40-50k.
Mike Valmer of c&c designed the boat my dad bought as a blue water cruiser Hal an horizon 27 cutter only 57 Halmans were built not many were cutter rig. We took ours to the Bahamas in 89 from grimsby. And back she was. A round stern 27 foot. Not a racer. But very inspired by c&c modified keel
Used to be a good light air race boat on LIS. Over 12 knots, Peterson’s were fastet.
Thanks for the videos and information! I would like to see the pictures and your description match up though. It's a bit distracting when I'm looking at pictures of the V-berth while you're talking about the engine and then I'm looking at the galley pictures while you're describing the V-berth. Maybe I'm just a simpleton, but I think that would take your videos to the next level. Cheers
I appreciate your videos. Thanks! I would like to see a video about DIY type water makers.
I've raced on GLIM and live in Rowayton, CT (your first picture). Also a bunch of years racing a C&C 38 (less 1-Ton influenced than others like my Yankee 38). Woodworking storage instead of the pilot berths makes it a better cruising boat.
C & C always are great!
its good to hear someone give examples of good older (ie.more affordable) designs from north america as we see some of these boats make it to our part of the world (Aus/NZ/sth Pacific Is) and hear stories of bargain price(comparatively) good quality boats from up there lots of these boats do the down hill 'coconut milk run' from the west coast of America and if set up correctly are perfectly capable of huge Tradewinds passages keep up the good work it seems I learn of a different design to consider every time I watch your videos 👍
One of my first experiences was sailing in a 1985, C&C 41 in the BVI. That was in 1986. What a fantastic boat. It’s so sad that all of these incredible manufacturers from the 70s and 80s have gone out of business. My first boat was a CS (Canadian sailcraft)33 built in 1985 again a great boat, but alas, I now have a Dufour 412, which has all the styling of a Scandinavian condominium.
You should do a segment on the C&C redline 41. Its one of the rarer fastest boats built by them. We have hull number 14.
Nice episode. Have you thought about doing this for an Ericson racer/cruiser in the 32-38' range?
Good review, however, I think a few items should be addressed for each boat going forward.
- Rig type and durability.
- Core; I did see one comment below on this; super critical for older boats.
- Engine access
- Liner or not; I know in this one you mentioned there is no liner, but looking at the pictures it looks like a liner to me. The reason this is critical, is that repairs are far more difficult with a liner. I want to see pictures down in the bilge, and poking around where most don't look.
Overall, I think construction quality is the most important item to be addressed for older boats, as the $38-50k initial price is only the starting point of the spending.
Would you be interested in the Lancer 36.Designed by Bill Lee. I have heard that they shared production facilities with C&C.
Hi Tim. Could you do something on the Bene First Line? I have a 47.7
It’s bloody fast
Great cruiser
Bit deep water draft
But she rips it up.
I'm going this weekend to look at a C&C 44. Is it of the same line as the 40?
Thanks for another great video Tim...I am interested in why you chose the C&C 40 as opposed to the 41?
Any chance you could do a story on the old Yorktown sailboats? They'e rather obscure but really interesting designs!
Would you consider a cc40, with its 17000lbs displacement bluewater worthy?
Tell us more about the Landfall series.
I spent a bit of time on many c&cs in the eighties. The landfall ( we used to call them landfills) series was a substantial departure from their race versions which pointed much better. The company closed up their Rhode Island operation by the mid eighties. I suspect the landfalls had something to do with it. Beware of the quality of the later boats as the company was in full financial retreat and the cost cutting showed.
@@hughmaxwell8143 I've heard similar feelings across the CnC but...had hope they maybe unfounded.
The fully balsa cored hull on large C&C's of this era can be problematic. Water intrusion and delamination are very costly to repair.
That’s the landfall and yes for sure
Another great video! THANKS.
Be sure to check for soft spots in the deck with C & C....
I want to know how to sell your boat yourself if you want to buy another or are just not using it enough to justify keeping it
Thks Tim for review
Have 2 in our club very fast . The guys took out as much weight as they could out .Then put it back for the weekend get away
How about branching out to smaller boats that are suited for people just getting into sailing. The key audience.
Great video thx for it , C&C are good all around boats you really can't go wrong with one and if you get one that was raced you will get more sails than your garage has room for 😂 P.S an old land yacht parked in front of garage makes pretty good storage for sails 🙂
Thank you.
I love boats
Damn, I want it haha
Nice boats, plus a solid title lol Skip.⚓
Not for me. The discrepancy between the LOA and LWL, skinny transom and overall narrow hull resulting in low square footage compared to the newer designs make these suitable for the museum only.
Don’t pinch you make too much leeway.
Your level of research is really impressive.