Is "Harry Potter and the Cursed Child" Canon?
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2018
- Today J dives into the wizarding world of Harry Potter to discuss what counts as Canon and if Harry Potter and the Cursed Child should count as official or just a fun theatrical story?
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It's bothers me that people insult the Cursed Child by calling it "fanfiction" because I've read some hella better fanfiction than this mess.
My friends and i calling tcc that thing or it
aka Harry Potter & the Methods of Rationality. It's as good as most of the original books.
@@feanor411 You can't be serious.
I call it nothing more than fan fiction, but I also use the adjective "terrible" in front of it. TERRIBLE fan fiction. It makes my entire being ache that The Cursed Child exists. lol
@@tooner96 Honestly I hate the cursed child. It makes no sense story wise. I hate even comparing it to fan fiction cause I've seen better fan fiction than this garbage.
Rita Skeeter just wrote the entirety of The Cursed Child.
It’s fake news
I agree
Alright, Rita Skeeter isn't that bad
This comment is now canon.
Fandom Cats ahhhh tru
"Do not pity the dead, Harry. Pity the living, and above all, us, who had the misfortune to read this cursed script."
HAHAH
Fantastic comment
💀🔥
😂
I cannot express how much I hated Cedric being a death eater. The unicorn killed in the first book is meant to represent him "always the innocent are the first to be killed", he was meant to be pure and kind and brave. Knowing that he had the capability to become a death eater (and just because he lost the tournament and got embarrassed) devalues his death and dumbledores quote "if you ever have to make a decision between what is right and what is easy; remember Cedric, remember what happened to a boy that was good and brave, because he strayed across the path of Voldemort"
100% agree, as soon as he appeared in prisoner of azkaban he showed kindness, seeing harry was hurt he tried to call off the match, even though he won fair and square, so many examples of cedric being a kind, brave character, he would never do such a bad thing
Maybe rowling just hates every house that isnt gryffindor
I 100% agree
And Cedrid is Hufflepuff shouldn't it mean he's loyal???
@@purple5098 loyal to the Dark Lord apparently
AND THE MOST EFFECTIVE PIECE OF EVIDENCE:
Draco is balding in the Deathly Hallows epilogue, yet he has a luscious ponytail in the Cursed Child. Case closed.
Rose Blossom THANK YOU
Actually He used Bosley 😂
No one even needs to watch the video anymore, this comment is all you need... 😂
Anti balding spell?
Thats pretty much all we need to know
Cedric could just NEVER be Death Eater right?
SuperCarlinBrothers Ikr! It goes against everything he seemed to represent!
SuperCarlinBrothers true dat
I think you forgot to pin your comment......
Edit: Well never mind
SuperCarlinBrothers how did voldemort have a kid?😨 This is dangerous!
SuperCarlinBrothers I don’t know what cannon means
The Cursed Child is Canon. It's a play within the Wizarding World written by Rita Skeeter.
I agree . I bought the book. The book is rubbish like the newspaper skeeter cow wrote
You had me in the first half not gonna lie.
Ember Island players moment
Makes sense
@@dinodude367isyes5 makes even more sense
Trolley lady: anything from the trolley dear?
Harry: the lot please
Trolley lady: gives Harry a chocolate frog and a GrEnAdE
That just made my day😂 thank you!
ua-cam.com/video/X6f7niqwtZQ/v-deo.html
Started playing in my head
"Anything from the trolley dear?"
"What is that mysterious ticking noise?"
@@starlightsall “iTs a PiPe bOmB!”
“YAYYYYYY”
@@ghostprince9247 mwah hah hah hah.
Voldemort, Voldemort, ooh voldy voldy Voldemort
We do not speak of that book. It's the book that must not be named.
Luis Ángel Rodríguez you know book
The Cursed Book. The Dark Book. The one Voldemort took as canon xD to act on the HP series.
Agreed. It can burn in the firy pits of hell, and never be mentioned again.
Voldebook
Luis Ángel RF YAS😂
My biggest problem with this book is that apparently Teddy Lupin vanished from the surface of the earth
EXACTLY
Where did Teddy go? So I did all the math, and Teddy starts Hogwarts in 2008, since he was born in 1997. He would finish school in 2015. The play he is talking about is starts in 2017, and ends in 2021. So Teddy would be around his 20s during the events of the fan fiction play.
Again, where is he!!!
Right like they have sometime with the potters at home but like if harry also raised him which he did so where is he.
Leila Nolen actually, Harry didn’t raise him, his grandparents raised him
Aliza Celem Centauri EXACTLY where were Teddy, James Sirius, Lily Luna, Hugo, and Rose (even though she was included a little more) ?!?!?!
putting aside the fact that the trolley lady has grenades, she also said that she had to stop James Potter and Sirius Black several times from jumping off the train. Yet, somehow, Albus and Scorpio are able to evade her on the first try??! I'm sorry, but they are no James and Sirius.
very true
James and Sirius are not the types of people who would try to escape from the Hogwarts express.
@@nisharamesh472 it says on the same page that they tried several times. However, this isn't canon, and I agree that canon James and Sirius would not.
This book ruined her character.
@@klaudiagrob This book ruined everything.
I found a decent compromise: Accepting the stuff I liked about it as being canon until proven otherwise, and completely forgetting everything else. For example, Scorpius turning out to be a total goober and best friends with Albus? Awesome and I love it. Harry and Draco being forced to grudgingly set aside their differences because of their kids' unexpected friendship? It's a real nice way to progress their characters into adulthood. Pretty much everything else though? It can go hang.
I before A except after K There is practically nothing good about the play that shall not be named
The two things you mention are also the only things i like from this book! :D
I would add the professions of main characters e.g. Hermione being Minister of Magic and McGonagall being Headmistress and so on
I also love those things about the story. Albus being in Slytherin and besties with Scorpius is an awesome concept. Love the play as something to see at the theatre. Story is ridiculous us and not good and definitely not canon.
Albus and Scorpius should’ve still became friends, but more gradually. There’s absolutely no way that someone like Scorpius could go on to trust anyone right away because they sat in his compartment, especially if it’s a Potter. Albus should be the one worried about Scorpius. He knows what it’s like to be outcasted and should look out for Scorpius.
THE WITCH ON THE TROLLY "I haven't left the train in 200 years" *is at dumbledore funeral*
Maybe she was just messing with the boys on the train
Harry’s immortal then I guess (Ginny Ron Hermionie etc
(the trolley witch also mentions Sirius which made me cry) #padfoot/snuffles :)
She's a ghost🤯
That really really REALLY bothered me!
The potter puppet pals are more canon than the cursed child.
"Harry Potter and what looked like a large pile of ash" is more canon then cursed child
Omg yes I totally agree
Suga Daddy your comment couldn't be more CANON.
Lion Voice yes!!!!!!!!!
Yeeeeees
It tells us that Ron and Hermione fall in love just cause Ron gets jealous of Krum? Or Cedric becomes a Death Eater just cause he lost a tournament? For real?
Yeah that's the message that Jack Thorne is passing. It tells us that Hermione can succeed because of Ron. Hermione can stand on her own. She is strong and independent woman. But Jack Thorne makes her seem as if she was still asking for respect. Like for real? Hermione did so much that every witch would want to be like her.
No Cedric Diggory I read about in the book would never do that.
Lol so that means ron never loved her its just jealousy
Someone should explain the "writers" that this is not how true love works smh
@@klaudiagrob i prefer Twilight over that cursed child fr
@@conserztasfia0078 twilight is at least enjoyable despite being bad. It’s a guilty pleasure, there is no pleasure that can be derived from cursed child
Maybe Ron just freaked out when she turned black one day. I mean he must of suspected that it was an imposter if your best friend changes race one day outta no where
I'm telling you JK was under the imperious curse when she wrote the tweet. She said it "should" be considered canon. Not it "is canon" Maybe she was sending us a message all along
I believe that it is an alternate universe where certain things are different, like time-travel and such, but it is not canon to the movies or the main books.
Indeed 👍🏻
Calling Cursed Child a fan fiction is an insult to fan fiction.
Nooo I’m pin head
I made is 666 likes
To be honest,it is a good fanfiction. The world of Harry Potter fanfictions is really dark and if I forgot it is supposed to be official canon I enjoyed reading it.
Dradel Lait same
As a Harry potter fanfic writer, I find it an insult as well
The reason I don't believe that cursed child is canon is that Harry would never tell his kids that he is tired of them (or whatever he said to albus, I don't remember). He had an abusive and lonely childhood with the dursleys. They made it known to him that he wasn't loved. He has felt that pain and would make sure that his children would NEVER EVER feel it too.
Word
I absolutely love friendly debates!! Therefore I feel, due to how the internet can be, I feel the need to pre-insert that this comment has absolutely no ill intent. It is just expressing my personal views. Also, it wasn’t my intention to make this comment so long. Sorry!
Now that that’s said, onto my comment.
Here is where I have to(SLIGHTLY) disagree with you. Harry may not be abusive in the physical sense. But you can see there are aspects of his fatherhood that mirror the Dursleys parental choices. But before I get into this, I’m going to be pulling from personal experience to explain.
I have grown up with alcoholism. My grandfathers an alcoholic. My dads an alcoholic. Neither are kind when drunk.
My grandmother will lecture you to hell and back about how you should never drink, and all the negative alcohol can bring, but will do absolutely nothing to stop my grandfather from buying alcohol, or consuming it.
My mum grew up with this. And you can see mirrored views in my mum. She hates drinking, will call my dad out when he’s been drinking. But, I firmly believe, because how my grandmother never did anything to stop my grandfather(in what I have seen, growing up in their house), has shaped my mums view that believing things like beer and wine aren’t too bad for my dad to drink.
The cycle continued with my sister up until a few years ago, when she and my brother-in-law quit drinking. Basically, my brother-in-law would put buying alcohol as an essential, right up there with food. But because the cycle evolves as the generations go on, she would actively give her own money for my brother-in-law to buy alcohol.
Three different generations, all shaped by alcohol. Against it to the end, but do nothing, or say nothing until confronted with it, in the form of drunken anger. Recycled patterns. Each a slightly different form, but the same pattern.
Back to Harry Potter. He may not want to be anything like the Dursleys, and may actively try to be everything they weren’t, and nothing they were.
But here’s the thing, they were, essentially, his parental figures since he was one. We do see him mirroring some of their behavioural patterns.
He grew up, treated differently, because he was different. Something they didn’t like. He saw Dudley get the world, not only for being their own child, but being normal, while, he was treated poorly because he was different, though not knowing how until his 11th birthday.
It is because Harry was different that caused his mistreatment, in my eyes. Petunia left Lily high and dry when she found out about Lily’s magic pretty much. Had Lily been muggle, I genuinely don’t believe she would treat Harry the way she does.
It is that ‘Different is wrong.’ attitude we see Harry mirror in Cursed Child. He’s had a prejudice against Slytherins right from his first day in the wizarding world. The infamous line of “There ain’t a witch or wizard gone bad that weren’t from Slytherin.”
Albus sorted into Slytherin makes him different. And not only different, but a form of different he does not like. The same form of difference, that the Dursleys were given when Harry arrived on their door step.
Harry Potter, whether he knows it or not, intends to or not, likes it or not, learned from the only parental figures he had during the crucial childhood stage of learning behaviour, to view difference in children negatively. Especially the difference he does not like.
We at least see him admit his wrongful behaviour to Albus in the end, and what appears to them both actively trying for a better relationship.
So here is the part I do agree with you. He would absolutely not intentionally let his child feel unloved, and it appears that he will do everything in his power to make sure Albus knows this now.
As for do I see Cursed Child as canon? Yes, I do. It has JK’s seal of approval. Approval it would not have gotten if she didn’t, well, approve of it. I doubt she would work so closely with the play if she didn’t approve of the story.
THAT BEING SAID, I view it as an entirely different form of canon, completely separate from the original series.
It is not fan fiction. It is not in line with the original series. It is, in my eyes, a form of canon unto its own.
I could go on. But I feel I’ve made this comment to long already. Again, I am not trying to be rude, just put forth my views(and personal experiences) on the topic of learned behaviour being separate of child abuse.
Shae B oh my gods, I love how considerate you were of how others might interpret your views wrongly, and how respectful you were of others' opinions.
Anannya Sriram Thanks!!! I really try not to be negative about people’s opinions, and want to make sure people know that!!
But hey, it’s the internet. I could have been viewed as just being a bitch. I didn’t want that, because then everything would have been ignored. I spent an hour working on that comment!!
Also, like I said, I love a bit of friendly debate here and there!! 😘
Shae B yeah, fair point. It's hard to understand what people are trying to convey because words that mean one thing to me may mean something entirely to you. Also, people are so quick to take offence. Btw, your theory is very well thought out and gives another perspective on why Harry acted the way he did.
How this should really have played out:
J: "Heeeey, brother! Ben, is Cursed Child really canon?"
*Ben pops up and they say in unison* "NO!"
J: "That's it for today, I will see you in another life, brother..."
That would have made an awesome beginning lol
@@annaoffive Maybe for a UA-cam short
The two other writers: so Rowling do you approve of this book
Rowling:actually I don’t appro-
The writers:Imperio
Rowling:wow this is amazing!
idontneed one so all fan fiction is canon?
Truth!
They probably bribed her into it.
@@-cosmixnebulae-7398 u r the voice of the whole potterhead fandom
@@conserztasfia0078 ty
My whole explanation:
All the time turners were destroyed, all the time turners were destroyed, and all the time turners were destroyed. Btw, did you know all the time turners were destroyed?
But what about all time turners being destroyed? That part's really important~
•ღpeachy studioღ• oh thanks I forgot to mention that
XD I love this!
Isabelle Anna-Rose oh and btw, I forgot to mention all the time turners were destroyed
@@mattd.2932 and the time Turner that wasn't talked about was also destroyed
And Harry is disrespectful to McGonagall! Harry cast Crucio on one of the Crowley’s for being disrespectful to her
*Carrows
The Carrows they are
Although harry is disrespectful to her all the time but like adult harry should be more ...adult
soooooo your saying hes being a hypocrite
Carrow literally spat on her face, seemed a little weird but not oc at all
Time travel in fiction usually works one of three ways:
1) Causal loop; think Terminator
2) Butterfly effect; think BTTF
3) Multiverse; think DragonballZ
In the POA book/movie, time turners fall into the first category, while in TCC, they fall into the second. So, yes, the mechanics do contract canon.
4) Pay it Forward- Bill and Ted
The only thing I would accept canon in this book is Albus in Slytherin house and Albus becomes good friend with Scorpious (how do you spell).
Now,to find a good fanfiction
It is NOT a fun side story. It wasn’t fun at all to see Harry telling Albus that he wished he weren’t his son. It wasn’t fun to see Harry yell at Ginny and McGonnigal. And it wasn’t fun to see Harry telling Albus he couldn’t be friends with Scorpius anymore. I don’t care if it was “alternate timeline” Harry-Harry would STILL never say that.
Milkywolf Z Even angsty fifth book Harry wouldn’t do things like telling his son he wishes he weren’t his son. Our kind, considerate Harry is not this Harry. Now I’ve seen arguments that say “oh well he went through a war. Wars change people!” And I understand that point of view, I get it. But Harry wouldn’t open up to feelings like the mood swings of the lengths of this book. Harry just loves bottling up feelings but not shaking them to make them explode, no he bottles them up and saves all the crying and ranting for another time, especially if someone else is feeling bad. I have this sort of headcannon that Harry feels others emotions are more important than his and should be treated as such. The Harry in the Cursed Child is a Harry that instead of using the bottle up store away strategy he just explodes constantly. Sorry this is so long I wanted to get thoughts out
ever. not harry.
Moreover how HERMIONES FREAKING KID treated Albus!?!? Hermione should've slapped Rose into a better personality
I agree
I *TOTALLY* AGREE!!! When I saw this play with my mom, and saw this part, I just kept saying hiw he was so out of character, and she was saying that he grew up or something, and that's why he was acting like that, but, I mean, come on! Really?
May I also remind you of the part in the play where Harry LITERALLY POINTS OUT TO MINERVA MCGONAGALL THAT SHE HAS NO CHILDREN SO SHE WOULDN’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT’S LIKE TO TAKE CARE AND WORRY FOR THEM BECAUSE THAT PART OFFENDED ME SO MUCH TO BE HONEST.
Need I remind everyone about the time in the las book where a death eater spits on McGonagall’s face and Harry is literally so enraged he’s able to conjure a Cruciatus Curse on him!?!?!? That’s how much respect Harry has for Minerva.
volleyball trash plus McGonagall takes care of several hundred childern every day...
volleyball trash SO TRUE! He would NEVER say that. He respected and looked up to McGonagall.
Inka N. No one can say Harry is a perfect human and would’ve never made judgement error
@@M-T-123 Actually the point of the Harry Potter series as a whole is watching Harry transform himself to ultimate enlightenment. The seven books takes us through the seven stages of Alchemy until Harry becomes "Gold" He has all the answers at the end of book 7, and we are constantly seeing how much wiser Harry is, or how morally Just he becomes. Dumbledore himself admits to Harry that Harry is the greater man of the two of them, that Harry alone is worthy of the Hallows, something he was not worthy of. We also see constantly in the series how Harry analyzes other people (like all four Marauders for example) and points out their character flaws (James and Sirius for Bullying, Peter for being a traitor, Lupin for being a coward), when he confronts Sirius about what he saw in Snapes worst memory, he rejects the notion of James being young as a reason for his mean actions, claiming that he himself was at the moment the same age as James was in the memory. This is for us the readers to also see how Harry Morally compares to other kids his own age. We read from Harry's perspective that The Marauders actions should not be normal, when in reality it's Harry who is beyond his age in Wisdom, and Morality. So of all mistakes possible for Harry to make, a moral mistake on a characters judgement post book 7 is so unbelievably unlikely, and most definitely not with someone like Minerva whom he has known for most of his life. Harry is by the end of the Harry Potter series a symbol of Justice Cursed Child is not canon, and Harry would never have told this to McGonagall!
@@elfology couldn't of said it better myself.
“But there’s this one tweet by JK Rowling that just seems to ruin everything”
Oof how that hasn’t aged well
**nervous laughter**
Or Is A Perfect Summery Of Rowling's Life,Now.
Hey, remember when Rowling just tweeted dumb things? Like, how wizards used to poop their pants?
I miss those days
@@genericname2747 Memento Mori
@@JT5555wdym what happened?
I’m not going to lie, I enjoyed reading the cursed child, however only as a stand-alone manuscript. Once you consider the other novels, the cursed child seems more like a poorly thought out fan-fic
In a similar vein to the sequel trilogy of Star Wars.
Exactly. A simple bunch of unconnected crazy ideas to bring people's attention such as "the daughter of Voldemort" or "the granddaughter of Palpatine" .
Yep
The only difference is that this story is a lot easier to separate from the good source material. Since there’s more media about the Sequel Trilogy now.
Exactly, me too.
Let’s be honest if the goblet of Fire book did not exist then the goblet of Fire movie would’ve been great
The only things I consider canon from the abomination are Scorp's character, Albus being a Slytherin, their friendship and Draco's parenting. Everything else, imo, is total bullshit.
Мирослава Иванова ikr
That pretty much sums it up.
Plus. SCORBUS is so happening. Idc what anyone says but holy shit. Especially druing the play like oh damn the vibes were there.
Schokobienen TV I mean that whole scene on the stairs was just... how can you interpret it in any other way? I was pissed off they didn't end up together after all the build-up in the "story".
omg yessss AND THE ENDINGGG
When I read Harry telling Albus he wished that Albus wasn't his son, I BROKE the pencil I was holding in anger.
Who else here DESPISES the Cursed Child?
Yeah that was really bad.
Thorne inserted himself into Harry and Albus. He had big daddy issues. It's out of character for Harry to be like this.
Also Harry would never talk to McGonagall the way he did in cursed child and even if he did McGonagall would have none of it and will put him in his place within an blink of an eye.
@@emmyprezz7625 No he wouldn't. Hogwarts was his home so he would never threaten to bring it down. Rowling introduced strong women. Yet Jack Thorne introduced weak women. McGonagall would have fought back if Harry did go crazy and threw a tantrum. Hermione becomes a minister of magic. She would never put a time turner in the book. We are talking about this Hermione Granger who did so many things. She would already have a respect. Instead Thorne puts her down to make it seem as if she can succeed only if she is with Ron.
Ginny not having a say in Harry's decision to split Albus and Scorpius. Why isn't she in the Hospital Wing as well? No it just doesn't add up.
@@klaudiagrob yes I agree like its also has so many plot holes and the cursed child contradicts the first 7 harry potter books so I don't even consider it canon or fan fiction because that would be an insult to fanfiction. As I know writers who write better and stick to the original plot way better than throne did.
I imagine Rita Skeeter writing that thing. Would make sense.
Rita at the very least makes the Daily Prophet amusing the Cursed Child is just a pile of boredom
@@royalpain9281 True, lol
@@Monsternutz hey mind if I ask for your opinion real quick? Do you think the scene with Cedric becoming a death eater would work better if he only considered it but decided not to at the last moment or nah?
@@royalpain9281 Yea, I think it would've been better. It would be a little more realistic, I guess. But I don't like the scene in general, just kinda ruins the character of Cedric to me.
Technically tho she said that it “should” be canon, not that it actually is.
it is canon
vish yetry Yeah, many fans, probably the entire community, doesn't consider it as cannon because they all hate it.
thats exactly what i was thinking thankyou for mentioning it
*Should be considered Canon. Yup! She never actually said it is Canon.
@@yeetri1034 no
The only things from that book that I consider cannon are Albus and Scorpius relationship and that Draco is a good father
This!! The only thing that irked me was that they had the audacity to make Rose and Delphi a love interest when Albus and Scorpius clearly like eachother...like what???
@@tobionabanjo1176 Hey Rowling, maybe now's your chance to make a gay relationship canon and actually improve the original material instead of just adding to it.
@@crocuslament9680 YESSSSS
That I agree with along with that Albus is in Slytherin.
@@book_nerd4803 yes
THE BOOK THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED IS PURE FANFICTION
Cursed Child
@@r.j.williams cursed child😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋
@@thedragonwarrior5861 you are now completely unprotected because you said the name that shall not be said
I tend to refer to it as "fan fiction on a stage".
So this IS the "Jorge Joestar" of the Harry Potter series.
This book is truly the cursed one in the series
We all know the only canon thing is that Scorpius and Albus become best friends and force their families to realize the others aren’t that bad. That’s it. Nothing else.
Even that idea was a bit too cheesy for me. Would’ve been better if we at least got some time at Hogwarts in the play and maybe had Albus befriend Scorpius after his sorting in Slytherin. Would’ve made sense for Albus to trust him after he himself had become an outcast.
Cedric could never become a death eater he is kind and generous gifted but not the sort of person to brag. And just because of losing a tournament!!??
I think the writers need to look over Cedrics character more
Btw I ❤️ ur vids
how dare they do that to wizard bruce wayne
He was a loyal Hufflepuff, not a mean Slytherin
JK Rowling made cedric and she has decides how he would act,not u
@@yeetri1034 gay
@@demonking86420 ??
I refuse to ever read this book for 2 reasons:
1. Delphini even being a thing at all
2. It's in play format
I can add a thousand more reasons to not read it.
KenzieHurlock soooo play format Helps me figure out who’s talking
Bruh this play is amazing it’s awesome to read and it’s not fair to undersize it because note that J.k. Rowling still helped write it
@@narafishxoxo Just because Rowling wrote something doesn't make it a masterpiece. It's still bad.
I know that but it still makes it worth reading and you can’t just undersize something that a lot of people like to read
4:53 You think Voldemort celebrates HOLIDAYS!? 😐😒
I’m just picturing Voldemort in swimming trunks and flip flops on a Disney Cruise...
Some things you just can't un-see.............
Pfft,Do You Know How Easily Voldemort Must Sunburn?XD
BullseyeProductionsTV
can or can’t? I cannot tell if your comment was meant to say “can” or if you meant to say “can’t”....
Demonic Queen Not the point but yeah you’re right. Unless he is so pale cause that’s not his skin and he is just covered from head to toe in thick layers of sunscreen.
Either way it’s a funny picture imo.
@@andermiskinis4989 Oh, yeah, I meant can't. thx
The writers had so many amazing characters and settings to explore, this play could have been an amazing story, but instead, we got stuck with a weird time travel story that's worse than any fanfiction I've ever read.
Also, fun fact! The opening scenes of the play (i.e. the final chapter of the TDH) directly contradicts the book. Not only are several lines added (many of them to make Ron look dumber), but preexisting lines are given to the wrong characters. For example: In the play Hermione tells Rose to "give neville our love" rather than Ginny telling James. Anything that directly contradicts the books is not cannon if you ask me.
Ryan Lippert WHAT I WAS THINKING
Good point
Totally agree
Ryan Lippert THANK YOU! That bothered me too
So if the movies followed the books a little more closer than they do (which they do the whole give lines to the wrong characters and actually cut out characters from the books that are over with the fans) then each movie would be 3 to 4 hours long which each movie is approximate 2 hours each. I doubt anyone would watch it so stop with the ‘because it’s the internet I will bitch all I want’ and appreciate what you have no capacity to create.
I would say that it is not canon, but is instead cannon.
By that I mean it should have a cannon fired at the book.
91useless why would you fire a cannon at a book?
Mohshin Anwar Why not
No... Canon rules of what cannon means is that the book should be shot out of a cannon.
The dragonator!?
There's actually one circumstance in which Cedric could become a death eater...
*The Imperius Curse*
thats true, but i feel like cedric would die again instead of being a deatheater
and he doesnt rlly have the energy. its like making professor sprout the protaganist. it just doesnt add up really..
I'd rather read the adventures of Professor Sprout than whatever this is
Oh please! STOP!
Me: I wonder why I stopped reading this....
I read that Harry Potter didn’t want his child
Me: dad start the bonfire please...
Dad: why
Me: cause I hate this book
4:53 He goes through 10 beginnings of a sentence and finishes none of them
This is the best reaction of his to anything, I LOVED this part, how passionate he got with that particular detail hahah actually, this entire video is pure sassy hatred towards this script hahah
This is literally the best part. It was nice to see him so passionate about it.
Lol, you're a ravenclaw aren't you?
I think the cursed child is just as canon as “Harry Potter and the portrait of what looked like a large pile of ash”
At least that's entertaining.
I mean, according to that story, Harry has a pet ghost, and is blind after tearing his eyes out, Ron is a cannibal, and Hermione just cannot climb. Also the pig of Hufflepuff, whatever it is, is Hagrid now. #HPATPOWLLALPOAforcanon
@@tidehollowcat3064
But, The Cursed Child is also a joke, only one so bad that you rather cringe than laugh at.
YES
Oh god why do I know that name but not remember what it is
Things that are more canon than Cursed Child:
- Potter Puppet Pals
- A Very Potter Musical (and its sequels)
- Harry Potter and the Portrait Of What Looked Like A Pile Of Ash
- My Immortal
- Literally every HP fanfic in existence
- Literally every HP parody in existence
Windardium leviosaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Harry and draco as friends is plausible. Simply put, draco tried to be friends when harry was 11but harry defended Ron. After 20 years things change, and i can see this likely
The only parts of Cursed Child that I consider canon: Albus is in slytherin and he's friends with Scorpius
Without being gay. Seriously can't 2 guys be good friends without being romantically involved ?
Same
@@darthportus Literally all of the Harry Potter friendships are platonic. Harry and Ron, Seamus and Dean, Lupin and Sirius, Lavander and Pavarti. On the contrary, why can't Cursed Child just have one gay couple? It could be male or female.
This is true two guy friends just being friends is a normal thing in fiction, two best friends becoming gay is not.
@@Definte Although you are technically right.I am a supporter of #WolfStar(Sirius and Remus ship.
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I haven't watched the video yet, but I can tell you right now that the answer is no, that book is not canon. I don't give a fuck what Rowling has to say about the matter. It just doesn't make any sense, it's far too contradictory, and I'm assuming that she's just defending the work because it technically has her name on it, despite her not actually writing it.
emiilyshe look I don't think it's that Cannon either but when the person who helped write the play and the book says it's Canon it's got to be
BMX!!! ...even when her motivation for saying it is $$$?
Rachel Reviews & Muse JK Rowling created it, so she has final say on whether or not something is canon, regardless of her reason for picking one option over the other
emiilyshe language
Katmione Granger, Since you asked, the language is English.
Please put “The trolley witch has grenades!” on a t shirt I will wear it forever😂😂😂
everyone: Cursed Child no we don't like
Also, everyone: Geroge could be Willy Wonka plausible
That is still more likely
Waiting in the bookstore was actually the best part. I met another Hufflepuff who I still text to this day, there was butterbeer, cosplay and everyone was just incredibly friendly. I even saw a guy dressed as Mad Eye Moody, jinxed him and he laughed. I told him that he wasn’t being constantly vigilant and he laughed even harder. It was amazing and the only time I was at a Harry Potter event like that.
TheCheck7 .
What a wonderful recollection! Thank you for sharing that with us.
Same! Mine wasn't as special as yours but I did cosplay and I met nice people I talked with, it was a great moment. When the books came out I wasn't really old enough to do something like that. (I picked up the 7th book, that mum had pre-ordered, from an empty bookstore on the day of release, I didn't wait in line for the exact minute they would start selling it.) Anyway Harry Potter fans are super nice and it's always pleasant to talk to them. I don't like the Cursed Child very much at all, but I decided to keep it in my bookshelf simply because of the great memories associated with the day I got my copy.
Really? Maybe that depends on what country you're from. I'm from a smaller country, so there is a real sense of community in the fandom. Almost everyone is friendly and happy to meet other fans.
the way Harry talked to albus is an insult to who Harry was and everything he went through
OriginalityPeople SAY IT LOUDER
I REFUSE to believe that Harry would ever say something like that to Albus. So, I’m totally on board with ignoring that this ever happened. Amazing show, the effects were great but I despise the story.
To be fair Albus is a selfish spoiled mean little brat. He was baiting Harry so he could indulge in his self pit.
ps: I know this post is old, but I really hate Albus.
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Wait, I just realized something about the Cursed Child.
If Harry could feel Voldemort’s emotions and sometimes see things from his perspective, was it a possibility that Harry could’ve seen Voldemort and Bellatrix getting down and making Delphi? Did Harry just get lucky enough to be spared this horror?🧐
The only thing that makes me sad is that Teddy Lupin wasn't in it. Remus was my favourite character in Harry Potter.
Dashfan 05 same I am devastated as well I so agree
Dashfan 05 kept wondering about that too
Yeah same, mcgonagall is also my favourite
the only thing i liked about cursed child was scorpius and albus being friends. everything else can burn
I haven’t read it, but to me, even that seems a little too cliche.
And they being Slytherins.
The other stuff can go date
umbridge
for me i also liked hermione succeeding kingsley as MOM
@@mohammedrayyanshanavas453 I don't think that she would want to be MOM tho
I actually like the part about Albus getting sorted into Slytherin and becoming friends with Scorpius, so that can remain cannon. Everything else I'm fine with ditching.
here's my version of cursed child
so instead of Cedrics dad coming to see harry, teddy does. this leads album and scorpius into using the time turner to save Remus and Tonks, (and also saving Sirius black in the process)
(please like if u agree)
sorry *albus* not album
If I didn’t win that one pi memorization competition I would be so humiliated my future would then be to grow up to become a mass murder and join a gang of pure blood superiorists as to get back at my half blood friend in middle school.
Also Harry still speaks Parseltongue and JK Rowling said after killing Voldemort he lost that ability
Dilemmas
Something something blah blah he lost it but he got it back because Voldemort was not yet revived and never would be in that timeline because by changing the past no nose lestrange would've just created a new timeline so There's no reason other than they needed special Heir of Slytherin lock to be opened using Parseltongue.
he could have got it when delphini was there
vish yetry no, Voldemort’s horcrux in him was destroyed. Delphi couldn’t make it come back, the horcrux in Harry is already gone, and Delphi didn’t put a horcrux in him.
@@penggao7034 yeah, cursed child has plotholes
but it's canon because jk rowling say so
but we can pretend like it's not :D
I love the fact that there's almost nothing about the cursed child on the wizarding world site 😶😶
I mean, the plot makes no sense whatsoever
but I love the relationship between Albus and Scorpius
They are literally friendship goals
And Scorpius is A PRECIOUS CHILD THAT SHOULD BE PROTECTED
I reread the Harry Potter series when I got the cursed child so I could read it right after finishing the deathly hallows. I was SO EXCITED when I finished the deathly hallows because I'm use to the series being over after that and this time I had 1 more book. But the cursed child literally ruined the series for me. It took me about an hour to finish and when I was done I threw the book at the wall and hated myself for wasting that hour of my life and ruining the end of my favorite series. I felt like I just found out that my boyfriend cheated on me with my best friend and for 3 months after that I was dealing with the heart break.
Same. I juust rued the moment I preordered and spent INR 600 for this thing best-described as third-grade fanfic.
wow thats highly specific!
My cousin Reg is a huge Harry Potter nerd. He lent me HPatCC, I tried to give it back but he wouldn't take it. I read it then put it in a drawer underneath a bunch of other stuff, and there it will lie until the end of time.
But you can just pretend it’s not canon remember it contradicts the epilogue which IS canon
Respect you read the book!!!
Me: *grabs Cursed Child*
Me: *Takes out Baselisks fang*
Me: It's time to do a good ol' 1993 destroy the evil book with a baselisk fang
book: *gets hole in it*
Me: well... that was way less spectacular than I hoped. Whatever, *INCENDIO!*
Lol
Thank you
Even Voldemort’s soul can’t inhabit something that evil
CubeJedi gayest thing ive ever read
I liked it apart from all the non canon stuff
i’m convinced someone had some deep dirt on jk rowling and she was blackmailed to have to take part in this mess
I think the HP fandom is unique (at least from what I’ve personally witnessed) in that the fan involvement is so intense that everyone kind of has their own canon.
Harry Potter: the prisoner of Azkaban, page 457 chapter:22 (Canadien copy ) Hermione states: ‘I know’ ‘ but I can’t stand another year like this one. That time turner, it was driving me mad. I’ve handed it in...’
In the order of the phoenix all the time turners get destroyed, thus meaning the cursed child couldn’t of taken place, so it is not cannon. 😁
but remember somebody made an illegal time turner albus heard harry talking about it the beginning, so he stole it, and yes it was a mistake reading that book
KTUnicorn 005 the time turner that was in cursed child was a hidden time turner that someone was hiding
there was a counterfeit time turner created that they used
Yeah but in the mess that is cursed child they make some convenient plot necessary extra time turner but I do agree that it isn't canon no matter what.
I love how the cursed child made a friendship between Scorpio and Albus, but besides that, no, just no.
EXACTLY I was excited when I found out about Albus being a Slytherin and being friends with Scorpio and knowing the tension he'd have with Harry because that could have been SUCH a good plot! but they screwed everything over so quick
fun thing. Harry's son becomming a slytherin and befriending the son of Draco actually was in my selfspun headcanon for as long as HP7 concluded the story. So the only 2 good things in this entire mess where nothing new to me XD.
I'm divided over Cursed Child. I liked it at the time because I hadn't read Harry Potter in ages so it was just a really fun nostalgia trip for me. I liked Albus being in Slytherin and being friends with Scorpius, and I also loved Draco's redemption arc, and how he and Harry made up. Delphi was the main thing I had an issue with.
I got the cursed child for my birthday a day after it came out and I cried
The only thing I really enjoyed is Albus being put in Slytherin and becoming friends with Scorpius. Other than that, I do not consider it canon. Besides the whole plot and everything, most of the characters were so off to me, like Rose, for example. I also don't understand why they had to create new characters but made no mention of Hugo, Lily or Teddy.
Tbh, I've read so many fanfics that successfully retain the feel of Harry Potter, stay true to characters and past events, while creating their own new storylines. The main thing I don't get is why JK was okay with the time-turner thing after stating she regretted using it in PoA.
Francesca I respect your opinion. But I think Albus should have been a Gryffindor. The only reason that the Hat considered putting Harry in Slytherin was because that one piece of Voldemort’s soul was inside him.
Jane Hopper That is simply not true. Firstly, it is unclear whether the Sorting Hat was aware a piece of Voldemort’s soul resides in Harry. Putting the horcrux aside, Harry still exhibited many traits sought after by Salazar Slytherin when selecting students. Slytherin house is known for students that are ambitious, clever and cunning. Not to mention being shrewd, strong leaders and achievement-oriented, which Harry definitely is regardless of the piece of Voldemort’s soul in him. Also his cleverness, resourcefulness, determination, and “certain disregard for the rules” make him a reasonably perfect candidate for Slytherin house. What set Harry apart was the fact that given the opportunity, he would rather save those he loves and be put in harms way than save his own neck. Harry is a perfectly acceptable candidate for Slytherin house without even acknowledging the bit of Voldemort’s soul. And if Albus was like his father at all, he very well may have been sorted into Slytherin.
Nathan Melo Your opinion is invalid because it’s not my opinion
Nathan Melo And you said so yourself it is unclear if the Sorting Hat can sense the part of Voldemort’s soul is in Harry. There are so many different opinions for the Potterverse between the fans. So don’t try and persuade me. I’ve read the books. I have my own opinions thank you very much.
Jane Hopper ones opinion can never be “invalid”. That’s the beauty of everyone being entitled to one. To assert a fact such as the Hat definitely sensing the piece of soul is wrong. Also being hostile is quite rude.
Guys. It's not canon, her name is JUST KIDDING Rowling, it's one big troll
Brennan Collins if this was my channle, id pin your comment
This comment is my new canon
Brennan Collins Thank you for being a light in the darkness
Oh My Gosh so funny lololololol
Your comment wins out every other one. 😂
There’s a fantastic stage performance made called “Nineteen Year Later” which is a much better version of this story
“Inflate Cedric’s Diggory head so he loses the second task.”- J Carlin
But the real question is 'is A Very Potter Musical' Canon?
AndyPandyPepper 17 No it is 100% not
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Tristen Brazeal I disagree
Yes.
Definitely more canon than cursed child
I do remember the day Severus lost his button..
“They tried it with The Hunger Games, and Divergent, and-and-”
*cringes*
“Twilight.”
Twilight was better than both Divergent and Maze runner.
Thomas Cameron Maze Runner is the third best book series i've ever read. Only HP and Percy Jackson are better imo
I did enjoy the first book, but I didn't like where it went from there.
camhasproblems He forgot Game of Thrones
Jesus Christ these are all just kids books.
Thank you for restoring my sanity. I've just re-listened to Cursed child and spent all six hours thinking 'Harry would never', 'Dumbledore's portrait would never' and 'looks like it's movie Ginny back in a new medium' I needed this.
Also the alternate dialogues at the beginning of the book in platform nine and three quarters is frustrating.
jkr has many opinions about the wizarding world that i don't personally agree with, "cursed child is canon" being one of them. all your reasons are solid and honestly my biggest one is harry saying that and being a super shitty parent. LOOK, we saw him be an amazing encouraging teacher in ootp, and even though his character includes sometimes lashing out, even when he was FIFTEEN that didn't happen when he was trying to nurture and encourage his friends. sure being a parent is different and demanding and all that and i'm sure he'd make mistakes, every parent does, but you can't tell me he would say THAT. not in a million years. nope.
Yes! This! Harry's characterization is so wrong in so many ways! Are you telling me that Harry who always loved to be a detective, and solve mysteries would just blindly listen to Bane without figuring things out for himself? Would threaten McGonagall, a person he respects so much, with Ministry action, after being a victim of the Ministry's injustice himself? Harry had a temper, but he was so quick to recognize his flaws, he was one of the most forgiving people in the whole series, and was never cruel or hurtful to anyone. So I don't even want to talk about the Harry and Albus scene, it makes me so mad. Grrr....thanks a lot Cursed Child, for completely butchering one of my favorite characters! That's one of my least favorite aspects of CC. That, and Albus being a whiny, ungrateful brat, and one of the worst protagonists I've ever had the displeasure of reading. And how DARE they make Cedric a Death Eater??? He was a true Hufflepuff, for crying out loud! He was fair, just, and treated everyone equally! That's what being a Hufflepuff is about! Don't Death Eaters look down on muggleborns and believe themselves to be superior? It's nonsensical logic that Cedric would completely change his ideology of believing everyone to be equal, just because he lost a stupid tournament! They didn't understand Harry and they didn't understand Cedric. Seriously, it's like they didn't even read the books! Sorry about the long reply, I guess you can tell, I'm kinda pissed...
Yeah, exactly, even at the end of the last Harry Potter, he was encouraging his son about being sly Theron and all that. Harry is less of a sit there and contemplate than a go getter. He would never just depressingly sit around and tell people to forget about it. I think harry would be the fiercely protective type. He would honestly probably go overboard
Thank you for this clarification! It helped a lot. My friends have had a lot of problems with this story. Have a magical day guys!
Wotso Videos Heyo Isaac, how are you?😜
Cool, Watso videos
7:17 “Cedric’s Diggory” 😂
It's fair to say that Rowling only claimed this to be canon because she was offered MILLIONS to help make it. This is a case where her fans have to save her from herself.
SuperCarlinBrothers maybe her tweet itself isn't canon
Dee Elmore. I mean she also says Snape isn’t completely bad, but he’s PRETTY bad. Not completely but close.
Dee Elmore I choose to believe that
Dee Elmore. Yes.
*CANON INTENSIFIES*
Now the real question, is this comment itself cannon? Or is this fanfic as well??
Of course she tweeted it's canon. Who would've bought the book knowing, it was just a fanfic?
Ayla7650 true, true
A lot of people. Look at alot of Dragonball movies.
Short answer: no
Long answer: well, maybe.....no
I think te long answer is:well, totally... No
The reason Harry Potter is so amazing and can never be topped, is not only the amazing planning behind the series, but also that it is a compilation of all magical and mythical, you know, myths. It takes all of the little scaps of unrelated creatures, magic, and other items and sowes them all together so well, in our world.
I was so very disappinted in that book. Let’s start where you did with Cedric becoming a Death Eater, that’s just wrong on so many levels.
Neville dying would have been a tragic loss but not more, maybe even less then the deaths of Lupin, Tonks, and Fred. Not too belittle his feat of killing that evil demon snake like a boss, but if he hadn’t been there I’m sure Harry would have given someone else the task. I’m sure out there somewhere in the entire wizarding school there had to be one wizard who could have decapitated the vile creature!
I don’t think the Snape thing makes sense either and there is the bootstrap paradox to consider.
Also they have a cray cray assassin lady that will attack children trying to get off the train with claws and explosives, too protect the children on the train?.. what genius came up with that security measure?
But my main problem with the story isn’t even the lack of canon it’s the lack of story telling. I mean they basically skip over three years of schooling and adventure potential in the span of a small chapter?! Disgraceful!
On top of that they made Cedric a Death Eater, Hermione a Class A bitch, and Harry a dead failure. Talk about character assassination, they just don’t care who they destroy in the reader’s eyes!
harry trusts neville who else would he ask
Kate Fox maybe the two kids he’s spent years being bestie goals with.
Alexandra Hansen they already knew the snake had to be killed. Him telling Neville was just a way to keep three people in the loop
Not going to lie, I feel so relieved that all of this has been pointed out. Thank you.
I am going to wake up in 5 seconds and Cursed Child will just be a bad dream
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"you can't just take away everything good about a character!"
Star wars fans: First time?
To me The Cursed Child is a Story they took and made a Fanfic out of it. The relationship between the kids at the start is ok and then BOOM fanfic. Plus, Voldemort wouldn't have a Child. Like that is just no. He is too self centered to even touch Bellatrix. And I doubt he wanted just sexual Pleasure from her either. So Delfi imo is not Voldy's daughter. Maybe she thinks she is. But she's not. No way in the Dingo she is. Nope nope.
And the fact that Neville is Killed doesn't say much either as ANY WORTHY GRYFFINDOR can take the sword out of the Hat. So someone else could've gotten the Hat after Neville Died or even if He died before someone else who was worthy got the Hat and could've killed Nagini... Like idk Hermione or Ron? Its a nice story, as a fanfic. But I do not consider it Cannon. Its not thought through well and its riddled with Plot holes and contradictions to the actual story.
Not only the self-centered-ness, but Voldemort is literally obsessed with becoming immortal, that's his entire goal and motivation. The idea that he'd sire an heir just in case he did die is laughable because he'd never consider it necessary. Plus he's definitely too confident (arguably arrogant) to even consider the possibility he'd fail at his goal to the point an heir would be needed.
tpbloomfield Tom Riddle doesn't have any shred of character that indicated he's willing to pass on his ambitions. *HIS* ambitions. Not anyone else's. He's too selfish to consider that.
If he pulled the thing King Piccolo did before he died in Dragon Ball, that could be a more believable stretch.
PS: not necessarily a horcrux
Nothing is Wrong Today I am pretty sure it states in the books that since Voldemort was born when his dad was in a love potion, he cannot love. I don't know if that has anything to do with it but whatever.
I think if anyone else would have pulled the sword and killed Nagini instead of Neville, it would be Ginny. It fits her badass character in the books.
Nothing is Wrong Today Don’t forget at the end of the play, Harry admits he’s afraid of pigeons even though he had an owl as a pet for 7 years.
To be brutally honest, it doesn't count because it was written by a couple of guys who clearly don't understand the Potterverse, and JK just signed off on it for the check.
She said she worked on it with them.
Annie Nunyabiz well said
True very true
I disagree.
@@fightingmedialounge519 if she had this wouldnt be such a let down... she clearly just signed her name for the money on this piece of shit~
Little did Jay know this was only the beggining of J.K.Rowling contradicting herself.
"The movies aren't cannon."
My life is a lie.
As Far As I See It,The Movies Are Canon: Just A DIFFERENT Canon. Like,It's Just A Different Universe Where Some Things Happened/Happened Slightly Differently Than The Books (Example: Ron Telling Harry About Slytherin And Not Hagrid).
@@JT5555 That doesn't make sense though. There can only be one set of events in the true HP universe. The movies are just a dramatization based on the 'true' events in the book. Just like all movies based on true events, twist certain facts to make it better viewing experience. Although the movie changed a lot of things for no good reason at all as well..
The movies are fun but if you are concerned about getting the actual legit story, you have to read the books. The movies are like a nice compliment to having read the books cause you get to see it on screen in live action to some extent.
Are we also gonna ignore the fact that Harry OUR HARRY told Minerva McGonagall that "With the greatest respect Minerva, you don't have children." At this point, I was ready to slap him. The disrespect omg.
Hannah Marie .
I do not find that the least bit disrespectful in TCC or reality. I have no children and have had a similar thing said to me by a mother. After listening to her throughly, I admitted that she made a valid point.
William Roden I think Hannah Marie is saying that it's quite disrespectful because Minerva works in a school full of children and surely has grown close with some of them. She actually has more experience with children than Harry.
Kanchan Rochwani Exactly. Harry would NEVER say something like that to her. And the way he treated Albus really pissed me off. "Sometimes I wish you weren't my son." My heart broke. I cannot even fathom Harry saying something like that. After everything he's been through. No. Not my Harry. Not even on a bad day would he say something so out of character.
Kanchan Rochwani I actually bought it and I was so excited to see the trio agai. through paper like I was so thrilled to see what they were up to, like long lost friends. I was just disappointed. I'm sure the play is cool but reading it just seemed... eh. It didn't really feel like Harry Potter. Obviously because it wasn't nessasarily about Harry. I don't know, as adults in this form it was just odd. The vibe was weird.
I think having Harry say that to his son, Albus, pissed me off the most! The thing he wanted most in life was a family. Regardless of what his kid did he would not have said that to him! Most good parents wouldn't! My kids annoy me at times but there is no way in hell I'd ever say that to any of them. It was just wrong.
Harry would never be disappointed of his son being Slytherin!!! The only thing I enjoyed about Cursed Child was Scorbus and the nerdy disaster that is Scorpius Malfoy
Olivia Langbehn
Agreed.
I love Scorpius and scorbus is EVERYTHING.
Holy shit yes. I went to see the play with my family and the entire time, i kid you not, whenever ther was a scorbus esque scene I just went to my sister and was like "DO YOU FEEL IT MISTER CRABS??"
@@frozenyogurth La Llorona?
I have avoided spoilers for years - I just saw this in person. Now I'm catching up on all the SCB content on the Cursed Child 👌
Thank you Jay!!!! I needed this put into words! The cursed child had been a thorn in my side ever since it came out, it’s good to *know* it’s not canon! 😁😁