Cities Caught Extracting Millions From Residents Through Fines and Fees Traps
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2021
- In Episode 30 of Deep Dive, we talked about how fines for harmless property code violations could snowball into six-figure debt. All too often, municipalities set up these “taxation by citation” schemes to bolster city budgets-not protect public health and safety. Schemes like this are rife with due process problems, and in today’s episode, we discuss the way Kafka-esqe code enforcement systems in many cities make it very easy to incur ever increasing amounts of fines and fees-while erecting barriers that make it very difficult to challenge them. We’ll also talk about what the Constitution means when it guarantees due process and IJ’s legal strategy for tackling abusive fines and fees regimes.
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De Blasio is CIA. I'm thinking there was a conflict of interest on it.
Although i think its good you fight for the people, the people are the ones who allow this tyranny to take place. The constitution is in place to secure all our rights by paper but it is not a binding contract to government. If the regular man can not make a law then neither can a group of people called government. The fallacious reasoning evil people will use to justify doing wrong to innocent peaceful people is going to keep happening until you stop listening to them.
@@grabithard2534 This has to be one of the best comments ever. Our entire DOJ and SCOTUS has been captured. The Bush and Clintons utilized the same blackmailing games as was used in the Uk, so we have alot of really rotten people in the system.
There is this enjoyment of being ruthless and vindictive in law. Theres nothing like the family courts where the kids are chum. These lawyerd will lie, and ruin every bit of your life without thinking twice. The ABA needs to get out. It's owned by thr British Crown. and has only served to protect the worst of lawyers.
My now deceased ex husband had hired the entire lawfirm in retribution. Not one lawyer would help me. Legal aid simply said, we can't afford this. 12 years later after losing everything including all contact with my baby girl. She's 21 and still not allowed. Or everyone will lose their part if the mass estate her father left.
Who thinks like thar?
@@grabithard2534 True, but you have forgotten a rule of war, divide and conquer. Yes the people allow this and other tyrannies. Also they use the police to enforce the tyranny against the people. How do you stop that? Voting them out won't change anything as you be just replace the faces and not the system.
@@worldeconomicforumbarbie9323 Yes the ABA is a foreign State within a State. The good guys are here, but they exist only because of the bad ones. Lawyers are not supposed to be in elected office at all. But since they overthogh the governments at all levels they, set the rules and know how to manipulate the system and the people.
Give a man access to the public purse, and you'll find no end to his ambition or greed.
100% TRUTH
Legalized extortion.
Sado-narcissists never rest, always seeking their next domination.
Not the guy I vote for. Right ?
( Nancy pelosi)
34-year career politician.
$210,000 a year, but net worth is $115,000,000.
That's like working for 500 years.
Harry Truman - 'Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.'
Thank you for exposing and investigating abusive fines and fees by the government.
Yes. Thanks.
Too bad they aren't providing much Actual justice, ain't it. At least, folks are informed, eh.
Keep in mind these are local governments if we were to fix these we would need federal government to check the power of local governments, or very focused local campings.
Lol great video. Also the girl in the video looks like Vanessa Van Edwards!
When the livelihoods of political machines depend on your cash, plan on not having your rights protected by them.
Money takes precedence over rights in the US. I thank God I moved to Canada last year.
@@sinebar out of the frying pan and into the fire? 🤣
"If any man's money can be taken by a so-called government, without his own personal consent, all his other rights are taken with it; for with his money the government can, and will, hire soldiers to stand over him, compel him to submit to its arbitrary will, and kill him if he resists."
--Lysander Spooner
"The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: 'Your money, or your life'... The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the road side and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful. The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber... Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful 'sovereign,' on account of the 'protection' he affords you."
--Lysander Spooner
@@sinebar Do you really believe that in Socialist and Communist countries money doesn't take precedence over Rights?
"You have to pay the fines to get the permit to cut your grass to code so that you can stop incurring fines".
This is the most extortionate and outrageous thing I've ever heard
If these laws go to the SCOTUS they will probably strike the laws down. After Timbs v Indiana the court has put notice to government entities using excessive fines.
This makes living off grid out in the desert with no government, no taxes, no fees, no building permits, no HOAs look better every second. When you tell municipalities they are unnecessary and back it up by packing up and moving out it is the ultimate expression of self respect and empowerment.
Hella
The list of reasons I will never reside in New York, or even visit, has reached epic lengths. What a grossly immoral way to run a government.
Arizona works the same way. Nevada and Texas too. I believe that most of our states operate this way. But nobody pays attention or cares until it happens to them.
good your 1 less person on our highways..lol stay home.....ment to be funny
Most if not all of these "united" states are run by the old guard so it's baked in how things are done and they will do anything to keep their jobs so hands can continue to fill up their pockets. Most of the government must be voted TF out. The way things have been done have turned the population off to how things are run and why they are run that way so nobody knows tills it's too late.
Have you seen the guy in charge?
@ken coleman if you think for one minute this is not going on in your city, you are ill informed. this is happening in all cities large and small, so stop throwing shade at New York.
if a judge doesnt know whats going on, he/she is not qualified to be a judge.
The judges know what is going in they don't care. The court system favors the police and government officials and not we the people. The DA, judges, courts, city officials, and police all work together to screw us.
we all know they're not that stupid... which only proves their corruption is more akin to racketeering than ignorance. i was just saying that, if a judge really doesn't comprehend his job, he has no business being in that position... which also shows corruption because someone hired the dummy... for a reason.. i don't think the constitution says anything about precedents either. each case should be judged on its own merits and the constitution... not by precedents. that's English law. 🤔 i thought we kicked them out in 1776...
Judges are so often like politicians. Too many are - in effect - politicians.
In both cases, it's too often less a matter of what they know, than what they owe...
@@kurtwetzel154 It's a rigged money circus, and no court officer is doing anything but Acting. Actually.
@@theboringbox2080 You are mistaken. It's deeply hidden, but published, and availed for those with tenacity, and a desire to Learn about it. It takes Years to figure it all out.
In 1981, the head of the see 👁️ A said, "We will know our disinformation program is successful when everything the American people beLIEve is a lie". They succeeded, eh.
A friend of mine that lives in Lewisville, TX told me last night that they had a nice visit from the city "code enforcement". They got a ticket for having their trash put to the curb the night before trash pickup as almost everyone does. Their claim was that a washing machine was there to be picked up and they have no reason to believe it has not been sitting at the curb longer than it really was or will remain their if the trash collectors do not pick it up. My friend told them that if the trash collectors do not pick it up it would be brought back onto the property and dealt with.
Mind you this was the city "code enforcement" driving down the back alley where residents of the area use it to get to their garages and also place their trash out for collection on the specified days. City "code enforcers" know exactly when the trash pickup is scheduled in each section of their city and they go around to extort money in hopes that the majority will not fight back in courts and just pay up.
thats crazy. HOA or truly city code enforemnt?
@@congoparrot ... Actual City Code Enforcement. My friend hates HOA and refuses to live in an HOA controlled area.
Lewisville, Texas is a shithole of corruption.
Most cities don't pick up large appliance trash. Usually scrappers cruise around and pick up that stuff, so people don't even realize the city doesn't do that.
@@onetwothree4148 ... Most trash collectors will if you call and ask them even if the city says otherwise. Some cities even have a large item collection once every 3-4 months.
It is not the city that collects the trash but they do make the contract with a private trash collection company to get the best price they can.
Scrapper do get a lot of stuff but they also miss a lot of stuff.
Nothing shocking here if you give people a little power and control over other people they will abuse that power and go out of their way to rip each other off and with no thought to the damage they do to lives, money makes people evil.
It isn't money per se, it is the love of money that causes these kinds of problems.
Frederic Bastiat had a lot to say about this in his book, "The Law"!
@Green Tangerine money is the root of all good." The love and lust for it is the root of almost all evil!" JC
Money makes people evil how about evil people make money the federal reserve system is the problem ,Wall Street bankers breed greedey tyrants! Don't think that getting rid of money will get rid of the evil ! It's the control the people that make money have that turns the system evil .
There is a famous quote by missio Rothschild and it goes "give me control of a country's monetary system and I care not who makes their laws"!
Must read essay, “ The Law” by Frederic Bastiat. This is accurately described as legal plunder in 1850.
“The Law” is a very short. Inexpensive booklet available for a pittance from Amazon and necessary reading for anyone interesting in the issue of a just government.
@@sciagurrato1831 That's a contradiction.
Vote out the mayor and council members who don't fight this nonsense.
Who has time for town politics? Ive got to be at work tomorrow and the day after that. If my boss catches me thinking or caring about anything else I'll be fired.
A good share of the folks who do NOT fight this nonsense are in on the scam..there's only one way left to stop them.
I was thinking along the same lines. Yes, it's one thing to fight these injustices in the courts, and the other additional route is to bring these issues in front of city and town councils as well as making the issues public when municipal candidates are seeking elections.
@Sven3xs not in the long run
@@thebrandonbeatty - and THIS is exactly why the elected parasites and their unelected, unaccountable, order-following, public servant lackeys get away with this bullcrap.
THIS is not an attempt to discount your need to work to pay your bills/debts, feed your family, but these 'color of law' criminals KNOW this and take FULL advantage of our willful ignorance that causes us to act like sheep and consistently abdicate our 50% of the social contract.
We also have a real problem with the judges. Extremely bad. The courts i thought were meant for protecting of rights and property. Now its all offense. And yes, you csn lose your car, your drivers license, and ability to support yourself, after getting one passenger seat belt ticket
@David Reads Where did these come from? Judge's make choices, not enforced laws. Family court, isnt even a legitimate court. But family law billions every year. Family law makes more money than all practices of law, combined.
UNTIL THE PEOPLE STAND IP AND FIGHT BACK, THEIR TYRANNY GETS WORSE.
BDGIN SENDING THE ONLY WARNING THESE BASTARDS FEAR...CIVIL WAR DIRECT REVOLUTION...FORCING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE UPON OUR EMPLOYEES.
BASTARDS MAKE DEMANDS FOR US TO BOW DOWN...BLOW OFF THEIR HEADS!
IF YOU BURN DOWN THE CASTLE, THE KING LOSES HIS FAKE POWERS, AND WHEN THE FEAR DISAPPEARS, THE KING GETS BURNED AT THE STAKE...DEATH BY PISSING OFF HIS MINIONS!
Legal does not equate to Justice.
@David Reads Many Judges are only working to get rich and receive those life long pensions from their PMA's.
@@AECRADIO1 The people will never fight back. That is a pipe dream because the people are too divided to realized that we are all being bent over and abused with broomstick. Just look around at any injustice done by government and you will see some get angry and demand justice while the others tuck their tales in and hide in the corner closet. It's left, right, gay, straight, Christin, Jews, Muslim and on and on the list never stops. Each camp only cares about their chosen fight and can't see the divide and conquer.
In the case of chain gangs. The problem with using convicts for labor, was that state and local governments and insider businesses had a reason to put and keep people in jail. Allowing fines to be a punishment also creates a motivation to "find crimes", and to go too far in that direction.
California uses prisoners to fight fires
@@bobspizza7444 Bob, do you know if they get a sentence reduction or good time points? You're right, I'm just wondering if they have an incentive or reward for the hard work they put into it.
The child support racket is far worse. Would love to see ya'll do a series on that subject.
Better yet, try CPS.
Both
Heard about that too.
No kidding
Juvenile Spourts
ALL these Judges have private pension funds that own stock in the whole judicial system. They own the courthouse, the jail etc. ALL the Clerks of Courts has a private membership fund that is tied to how much money they raise through the system.
Follow the money.
Yup. Can you imagine how many judges have heavily invested in bail bonds businesses?
Court costs fund their salaries. Makes sense to drag out the process.
@@aerofart Now with all that in mind, how is anyone supposed to respect anyone connected to this BS? That includes law enforcement because they are the very first contact with that system for 99% of us.
That's completely false. US courthouses and jails are publicly owned (10% of prisons are private). You can't buy stock in the county courthouse or jail; that is not what bonds are. Further, these people have public pensions and you can look up their funding. It's all negotiated in advance, not dependent on revenue. That's why so many public pensions are underfunded.
@@onetwothree4148 Nice try. I never said YOU or I could buy or have any part of these PRIVATE MEMBERSHIP pension funds. Yes they have a public pension, that's the one you are allowed to know about. But the other one is NOT for public information. And before you ask me how I know, let's just say I knew people who talked and at that point in their life didn't give a damn anymore. Trust Law is a maze of misinformation when you don't know what your looking at.
New York and New Jersey are in massive financial trouble. Therefore crazy fines. Homeowners would be best to just keep their renovations off the books.
It has been taught to businesses in democrat run areas to never put a sign in your window "Closed For Renovations". Should read "Closed For Repairs" and the government won't bother you.
Didn't New Jersey completely ruin its pension fund?
Renovations?
I'd move before even thinking of entertaining the thought of "improving" a damn thing in that Socialist nightmare!
@@danieljones317 It's the same in most states. The taxes are so low everywhere for the riches that states do not have enough money to fund anything without resorting to fining everyone up to the wazoo (either cities regulation or traffic law fines)
@@Melpheos1er taxes are not low, spending and stealing is way to high. But hey if you think you need to pay more by all means go ahead.
Yes like when my son in law had a pallet of tile on his own driveway on his own property and the city came and told him he had to move it out of sight or face a fine!
Thank you for exposing and attempting to correct what I would call systemic corruption.
The problem is that ordinary citizens can't pay the bribery fees, so they have to settle for extortion fees.
No, the problem is that people pay instead of moving and completely bankrupting these cities
@@onetwothree4148 No, the problem is that people don't run the politicians out on a rail and replace them with people who SERVE them. But that's the problem across America, from bottom to top. PEOPLE shouldn't have to move, THE POLITICIANS are the ones causing the problem. THEY should be the ones who should suffer.
“The essence of tyranny is the enforcement of stupid laws”
---- Edmond Burke 1766 - 1794
Those J walking laws really held me back.
Gold star for your comment. I hadn't heard that quote before. I would probably add creation as well as enforcement.
You realize this is critical of local governments? Republicans would only aggravate the problem. The fixes are federal checks on local governments, or very targeted local campings in republican towns.
I can relate to this! Erroneous tickets have hit me recently. Even the local utilities are now in on the game. I got hit with a $100 charge for "not allowing access for inspection", which is a totally fraudulant claim! They are using the funds for infrastructure upgrade.
They're using the funds for ice cream parties, don't kid yourself.
as soon as I heard "Deblasio" it all came to understanding how this could happen.
@Bob K, it happens every where and in every state with democrats or republicans, you just dont hear about it because most people cant afford attorneys to fight it or they just pay the fines. I don't know why people like you think its only a democtrat politician or democrat ran state that these things happen in.
@@mikeaskme3530 Didn't attach a political party to the name. It's Deblasio period. People like me? From a sentence you see a "Like Me", amazing perceptive skills you have.
@@2manycatsforadime oh please I know and everyone else knows what the hell you were getting at even if you are to cowardly to admit it.
Yeah like one guy is the problem in America.
It’s people like you with childishness of mind...
Starts with cops having quotas and leads to this.
in my state, the state police indeed does have a quota. but its been said that the fines go directly to their retirement fund for their retirement. talk about conflict of interest.
Most places don't allow quotas, and there is no place in the US that funds their pension based on revenue. That's just a myth. And one that would be easy to prove if it were true.
Starts with our entire judicial and prison system doing the bidding of crony capitalism and corporations and the wealthy elites. Police solve less than 2% of crimes yet commit more than 2% of them but are protected by qualified immunity… they protect capital, not people. They make criminals out of the average citizen which is either working class or poor. They do this to either extort money from citizens through fines, or they extort free labor through imprisonment for private for profit prisons. It’s a modern day slave system. Period. The prison labor yards are the fields, the masters are the corporations and the wealthy elite in the upper echelon of corporate America, and the police are the slave captors. There’s a whole history of how police came to be. It literally was designed off of the old slave capture system. 1 in 3 people in America are convicted of a crime. Laws disqualify criminals from getting certificates for licensed jobs that pay middle class wages typically. 1/5 jobs in America require licenses to work. This forces 1/6 people convicted of crimes into corporate low skilled jobs. Most places won’t even hire with criminal records which statistics show it places those people right back into prison. We imprison more people per capita by a long shot than any other country in the world, including dictatorships. Really think about it. We need another abolitionist movement just like the one that emancipated slaves because this is a modern day slave system for the poor and working class. This is why the more money a person has the less likely they’ll be punished for crimes they actually commit, because police protect capital, not people. They will imprison the poor and working class for crimes they didn’t commit if they don’t take a plea deal which is an admission of guilt and can’t afford an attorney to fight for their innocence. But the rich literally get away with rape, of adults or even children with slaps on the wrists. Look at Jeff Epstein. Convicted of rape and was let off the hook in 2008 and got a sweet heart deal. They can get away with murder, look at OJ. We have war criminals like Bush and Obama who are supposed to be tried and convicted by the Geneva convention war crimes laws and they are walking free when they should be in prison. Our system protects the rich and they live above the law. Abolish private prisons, reallocate bloated police budgets or abolish police all together, and throw out laws that criminalize everyday non criminal people. The biggest threat to the public at large is this system. The vast majority of people sitting in prison are there for non violent drug charges. Police shoot and kill over 1000 people a year. That’s not even the ones that are killed without guns. Over 1000 people shot to death are just the ones the police have been found guilty of wrong doing, not including the ones where they were unjustly found not guilty which is the majority. This doesn’t include the amount of people who have life long injuries, who are maimed and paralyzed… it’s estimated police kill, maim, paralyze, hurt, or damage private property of people on average 54 people a day, every single day. The majority of them are unjustified. Serving and protecting shouldn’t come at policing with imputative brutality.Our society completely condones police acting as judge jury and executioner simply if someone runs and they kill them. “They shouldn’t have ran” If cops didn’t kill someone who ran and that person was charged with fleeing the police and that person west to court, they wouldn’t be sentenced to death. The logical fallacy our society has that helps to perpetuate the brutality of a police state is absolutely terrifying. And even when people sue, these police keep their jobs and it’s the tax payer paying for the crimes of the police. It’s corrupt all the way down to its roots because the police and judicial and prison system is doing exactly what it was designed to do.
$100 fine for a crack in their driveway?
I bet there are pot holes in the road in front of this house, and cracks in the sidewalk.
Thank you for the work that you do. Having been in this situation to the tune of $30,000 I can't watch this video. It hurts too much. Nobody is holding these municipalities accountable for their actions. I have to turn the channel now.
IJ is doing great work. Thank you all.
The city of Hamilton, Ohio has "Health court" that runs as you were describing. Once we were cited for a pile of rubbish on our lot. The health inspector presented a photo of the lot next door to ours. When I objected to the charge for a violation for the property next door, owned by one of the city's big landlords, I was told that I could not object, without going to another level of court with a bigger fee. I heard some truly abominable cases while I was there. They didn't charge the landlord, as he would have a lawyer on retainer.
There was one fellow who had lost his home to foreclosure, and had been kicked off of the property. After he had been out of the home for 9 months, a gutter came down in a storm. A downed gutter is a health code violation. This man was charged with a violation on a home that he didn't own, or live in.
There were people whose property had been tagged with graffiti. They were told that they had to repaint their garage in February. When the person charged with this one pointed out that you can't paint that time of year, the judge told them to paint it within 14 days, or pay the fine weekly!
All of these charges carried criminal charges, but none were really criminal offenses.
These people must be brought before a tribunal of the citizens,
who must then elect a new city management.
USAF VETERAN MARVIN HEEMEYER GRANBY COLORADO LEVEL THE CITY HALL, POLICE STATION, COUNTY BOARD, COUNTY COURT HOUSE, AND ARREST THE MAYOR, POLICE CHIEF, THE COUNTY BOARD
HOLD COURT MARTIALS
ASSEMBLE FIRING SQUADS
AND EXECUTE THE MAYOR, THE POLICE CHIEF, THE CITY DISTRICT ATTORNEY, THE CITY ATTORNEY
AND KEEP REPEATING THIS PROCESS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES
TRIBUNALS SHOULD BE FOR FORCED PUBLIC EXECUTIONS OF ANY EMPLOYEE OR ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR TREASON AGAINST THE PEOPLE.
JUST GRAB THEM OFF THE STREET AND BEGIN LYNCHING THEM.
SEND FEAR, THEY WILL OBEY, OR SUFFER!
youre an idiot. we kill them. and anyone else who tries to steal our value. period.
Term limits for all local, state and federal employees, as they get too comfortable the longer they serve, and are not held accountable.
And fine'em 4 being crackpots
All tyrants use safety to bend you over.
"The welfare of the people will always be The alibi of tyrants. And it gives the added benefit of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience."
--Albert Camus
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be 'cured' against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."
--C.S. Lewis
@@karozans no
@@jamespruden4755 Excellent rebuttal. You've given me a lot to think about.
The welfare of the people is always the alibi of tyrants
Due Process is integral to our judicial system and must be protected at all costs!
The Institute for Justice needs to examine Virginia's personal property tax. It is a BIG rip off of it's citizen's in Va.
Thanks - the City of Rancho Mirage, CA. Have used code compliance to collect revenue (plus Intimidation for special Interests)) on mostly vacate properties (Sale Homes) when citations will be transferred to the property and than the New owners will pay the Increase costs
Thank You for exposing these abusive government practices that use fines and fees to maintain their slush funds.
When a system is that corrupt, just wipe it out and start over. Punish severely those insiders that betreyed the public trust. Govt. corruptopm will never stop until there is PERSONAL and significant risk to the perpetrators.
My favorite is the "rain runoff tax" where the city/county taxes you for the size of your roof. The explanation I received was, its for the rain that runs off your roof into the sewers. Really?.... really?...
Try adding a rain barrel to collect the water and stop paying for 'runoff'. Just kidding. The municipalities will lock you up if you don't pay.
@@unkelruckuss funny thing was that the rain would run into the lake behind my house. I was at a slope where the rain couldn't run off my roof to the street .
@@unkelruckuss In some places it's illegal to collect rainwater!
How?
@@bamahama707 I refreshed my memory on this and it is legal in most states and with some restrictions in others. Mostly about using collected water as non potable (drinking) purposes. Some Western states have more restrictions.
Crap like this is why I regard fines as a form of THEFT.
I think some fines are necessary, so we don't get people parking their cars willy-nilly, for example. But those fines/fees should be COMPLETELY detached from providing any direct benefit to those who are collecting those fines, and instead should be returned to taxpayers as a refund.
I have this perception. When discussing matters of significance and the individual I"m discussing them with has a permanent smile when responding and interacting they are not vested in me nor the matter at hand.
It is not a smile. It is the way she applies her lipstick and all those teeth.
@@RevMarket I"ve watched a lot of them. Frequently it is a smile.
The entire system sounds like it violates the due process clause at the very least.
Municipal? How about outrageous HOA fines and fees too? They should be illegal also.
NYC puts multiple conflicting and confusing parking signs on some streets. Business owners on the street would warn and explain to parkers. They had to stop when parking police warned them to stop with threats. They were interfering with city revenue.
Someone should create a UA-cam video or a website explaining the parking signs and dare NYC to try and stop them. It couldn't.
@@sinebar Agree...but small business owners just get worn down...literally fighting city hall. Predatory government. Let's keep fighting the good fight Christine!
They have a saying here, " You can't fight city hall".
I don't think I should have to. Truth is, they can change the rules quicker than anyone can keep with but they generally only do when it is profitable for themselves.
This is what happened when you create a massive bureaucracy made up entirely of people whose job it is to make rules you're going to get a lot of rules
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men."- Plato
“If taxation without consent or monitoring is not robbery, then any band of robbers have only to declare themselves a government, and all their robberies are legalized.” - Lysander Spooner
Exactly
When we want to go to court for a ruling on one of these ridiculous citations, can we invoke "Rule 21" (or something like it) on the grounds that we won't get an equitable trial at the local jurisdiction due to their conflict of interest?
Sounds like a violation of the RICO Act! Who are the criminals?
If one wants a definition of "arbitrary", this is it.
NOT to mention cities and counties have ABSOLUTELY NO LAWMAKING AUTHORITY at ALL.....We call this aggravated extortion or racketeering.....
1000% AGREED/TRUTH!!!
or revenue generating enterprises (to keep it "legal")
The biggest violation of that are the zoning codes
property tax scam in my town of Big Spring Texas, everyone i know got a second notice to pay their property taxes, and not one got the first notice, included in the taxes was a fine for not paying on time :-(
What !!! Speed traps are not for public safety....but for revenue enhancement.....color me SHOCKED !!!
I'm surprised they don't get more incidents of somebody going Howard Roark or Marvin Haymeyer on them. You don't like the violation, you've ruined me financially, the violation needs to cease to exist, and you're not going to profit from what you did to me...
Isn't it wonderful when the criminals write and enforce their own laws?
Thanks guys!! I learned a lot from this episode alone regarding Due process, substantive and procedural, this s actually helping me in an appeal in the 5dca Court of California. Addressing corrupt and biased judges.
Astonishingly, I am the victim of a crime, not only did the judge not dismiss my case but he actually ruled against me and even ordered me to pay court costs to the criminal!! Talk about biased and crooked
But.....How else are you to pay for all those gub'mint budget busting golden pensions?
Many cities have added separate pension taxes too because most of their pensions are so underfunded
In Oregon I have seen dui go from 355 in the 70s to 6500 dollars plus .. it's all called greed not safety or laws,
It's CALLED VIOLATIONS of the 8th Amendment.
A few years ago I got ticket in Tennessee for following to close. And I was, but so was everyone else on I-75. The ticket was $535. But the actual fine for following to close was $5. The other $530 was fees and and various other things the state of Tennessee thinks out of state drivers should pay.
Listening to these municipalities victimized citizens is most disgusting!! Do you know what’s coming next?
How about forensic accounting of these cities - see Exactly where the tax money is really being spent?
Only they are allowed to audit
@@JamesMisener-fc8md Hmmm, sounds like the Cat watching the Canary Cage to me.... Something smells bad.
Health care and pensions for its employees and pensioners
It's all about going after the little guy. When I was a college student, I got a bogus $50 traffic ticket and went to court to fight it, and when I saw all the effort the court put into my case for $50, including the judge wanting me to reschedule because the police officer didn't show up for court, I realized it was a big scam.
Absolutely. Fines and fees are like free money to the organization / company in charge.
Equitable taxation in my opinion would only require two forms of taxation first being a corporate profit tax and second a national sales tax. The governing bodies local, county, state and federal would divy up those collections the local would take an agreed upon percentage then the county then the state with the rest going to the federal. No income tax no property tax no favors to big corp. That would be equitable.✌️❤️😀
Local gooferment is often the most tyrannical. We need more killdozer type responses to these petty tyrants.
Have you seen the new Federal Government Housing plans? They want to end the suburbs by building massive public housing outside of the cities by changing the local zoning laws to allow multi-family housing where it's now restricted by the local government. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
@@unkelruckuss you're not kidding! The Obama admin got it started and it appears Sleepy Joe's handlers are kicking it into overdrive.
@@unkelruckuss please watch Behold a pale horse narrator Charlie Daniels . It came out about ten years ago
@@garylyons8811 Patriotism is now seen as racist by a small group of influencers intent on changing our way of life. It's sad to watch.
You'll have to get a permit for your killdozer
Excellent Discussion! Leaned a great deal! Here in Wyoming Circuit & District Court Judges must run for reelection. I think this alone is a massive conflict of interest! Thanks!
How they handled these kinds of nefarious actions back in the 1800's is how it needs to be dealt with today.
For 21 years I fought the Philadelphia government. I had Licenses and Inspections. Health Department, Zoning Board and the Pennsylvania State Police Liquor Control Board harrass me every year I owned my bar. Because I was incorporated the Philadelphia Zoning Board required that I hire an attorney to represent me as citizens are unable to present before the board if they are incorporated. Inspections would occur every few months by a different department. It never ends in democrat controlled cities. 70 years of democrat rule and the city is in shambles.
@Green Tangerine Actually, I won every case with my Jewish lawyer fighting the black demoncrat losers in city government. I sold my business, after building it for 21 years, for well over $2 million. LMFAO @you
Republicans would use other methods to extort money from its citizens so its not just a Democrat thing.
@@sinebar The democrat district attorney went to federal prison.
The head of Licenses and Inspections went to federal prison. Philadelphia has been run by democrats since 1950. A democrat mayor dropped a bomb on Philadelphians with zero repercussions. Maybe it's time for a change?
mobsters know a good racket
As a home designer and builder in Texas, this is all too common. I’ve seen people get daily fines retroactively on estimated days. Crazy!
they do this EVERYWHERE.. my town tacks on several fees to water bill. last month i used $8 worth of water but my water bill is over $100 per month... every month.. the corruption is out of control in EVERY city and voting a new person in does not change anything.
This was a very nice discussion. 👍
Unfortunately, that’s all it will be. It won’t lead to any change in city, county, or federal levels.
There is a easy way to stop this put permits on the ballot and make permits optional. Optional would stop any court action and any fine.
One thing that's never been exposed is how municipalities extort every possible dime from residents through city utilities. Why are people receiving disconnect notices the day before their utilities are scheduled to be disconnected, especially when the notice has been predated a week in advance? If it's a mistake by the post office, why do the regular bills not show up the day before they're due? If you pay extra on your utility bills, why does your usage for the next billing cycle go up by that exact amount even though the usage trends for the previous 5 years are consistent and don't reflect the extra usage? Why are public utilities listed as the most profitable businesses and investments in the country?
Sounds like a very organized thievery plot to me. Thank you for this vital information!
EXCESSIVE FINES AND FEES ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
Our unamarican judges hate our constitution slimbags
Seems to me that no matter what they do the City officials are bound and determined to screw people any way they can.
Which is why America is not the land of the free or the home of the brave.
Just leave the city. Let it die. I left 10 years ago and haven't looked back.
Well, somebody has to pay for all the civil damages and wrongful death lawsuits, stemming from violent crime committed by cops...
@Q - AGEIDO : Roughly 3 Billion Dollars have been paid out in the last 10 years due to violent crimes committed by police (a.k.a. police mmisconduct).
@@bikkiikun Even more have been borne by the plaintiffs who have had to pay the police criminals' legal costs to boot because some incompetent, corrupt, biased, or intimidated judge ruled against the plaintiff, usually on qualified immunity which results in 57% of all cases being rejected. Institute for Justice has more on this both on their YT channel and at their website.
That's the result of so called "low" taxes. The burden is shifted massively towards the lower classes.
"Regular" Taxes are generally based up on income or wealth, the aim is to have an equal burden across society. Fees and Fines are in essence regressive taxes, that means, the burden gets higher the less you have. Put put it in easier terms: 50 - 100 USD for some administrative fee hurts lower income people way more, than it does milionaires. And it becomes prohibitive, even ruinous in a society where half the population is bankrupted by an unexpected extra 400 USD.
A lot of people don't realize this. Most people in Texas have to pay their mortgage, property taxes, and PID. What's the PID (Public Improvement District)? It's a payment on the loan the developer who built your house had to take out to build the infrastructure needed to support the house. There isn't enough property tax revenue so municipalities won't build any new infrastructure on their own. Arizona has HOAs all over because they won't build roads to new homes, so an HOA is formed to maintain the road the developer had to pay to build. The taxes may be lower on paper, but to quote my Dad, "They get their money one way or another".
@@jblyon2 Leave cities if you are able
What can I do if I have my city manager on recording telling me that my rights dont matter because I am a minority, then they took my home and changed me money for there labor?
Find an attorney that deals with discrimination laws.
Fines and fees to run cities and towns...is not equitable or just! Where is the justice here? Then these people’s citations are reported against them in the public to criminalize them. This is an attack upon the citizens!
Excellent commentary. I am now a new subscriber looking forward to part 2.
All cities, courts and the U S. Government are incoroparated..
Businesses.
Courts are not incorporated.
Cities, towns and states are incorporated.
A few four letter words come to mind:
Move
Vote
Sell
ONCE A JUDGE MAKES SUCH A COMMENT ABOUT NOT KNOWING WHERE HIS PAY COMES FROM, AND THE SOURCES, THEN AUDIT THE MONEY TRAIL. DIG IT ALL UP, AND EXPOSE IT!
Then fire and jail that judge.
I think you guys do a great job of exposing bureaucratic excess. Do you actually help people directly?
So much for being "Land of the free"
Great people are doing great things.
Revenue from fines and fees should be immediately returned to taxpayers as a refund. This will remove any incentive bureaucrats and politicians have in extorting citizens in the first place.
This is just tapping on the top of a barrel of truth. These methods are in practice all over the place. I've been victim to it myself. Really the only way for these abuses to end is for people to learn their rights and stand firm when extortionists come calling. All of my court cases were me vs the state or county, the prosecutor was paid by the state, the judge was paid by the state, my defense was paid by the state. I never had a chance..
Any unwanted visitors come to my property will be met with an armed property owner telling them to leave immediately.
How the mafia works.
You all are amazing. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for doing this!
the joys of living in overpriced homes in the suburbs of america
It has been said: The most powerful Mobsters\Underworld group is the government.
Thank you for bringing up this subject because the city I live in does the same with a speed or parking tickets and more that may give you a week to pay the initial fine and then it doubles and 10 days later it goes up A 3rd more and if not paid after some time they go after you drivers license its very sad .
I live in tn. I got a paper from court showing what all my fees and fines were for. One thing that really stood out to me was being charged 5 dollars for the pen the judge used that day. I know they also charged the other 50 or so people 5 bucks each for that same pen. Thats 250 dollars for 1 pen. Imagine the ridiculous amounts theyre charging for everything added up together. They also love handing out dui charges for having something in their system like weed, then they make you get an ignition interlock device for alcohol which is very expensive and completely useless for detecting marijuana. Up until 2 years ago they were suspending drivers licenses if you had unpaid fees. Im 28 now, had my license suspended when i was 12 for bringing a joint to school. I wasnt able to pay all my juvenile court fees until i was 25 so i was never able to get my drivers license. They gave me the dui right after i paid it off, it literally never ends, the fines and fees are not reasonable at all.
We know !
This is CLASSIK pin heads with power, just as what is going on with WTF JOE in the white power white house. Things must change. One more reason to live in the country.
@Green Tangerine I think comments like this are so utterly ignorant. It's not about parties. It's about what is right, and what is wrong. And to defend the current administration as though they are saints is absurd. How about we recognize the never ending list of major problems with our government and start doing what we can to address and change these things? Because if you think either side has our best interest at heart, you're terribly wrong. Especially when it comes to the current administration. And if you don't see how our government is behaving, in many ways, just like the Chinese Communist Government, then you, my friend, are clueless.
That's not really Joe Biden
Left wing Right wing same fucking bird!
If you're not friends with the powers that be where you live out in the country, living there is hazardous to your life, your health, your safety, your property, and your freedom.
@@edwardmiessner6502 Well Edward, you don't live in the country, it is obvious. My town never had Covid19 so tell me did your city or town get it? I'm sure your clueless to how country living works.
This is happening in Paul’s valley Oklahoma on a small scale.
They walk up to your yard with a ticket, no warning, or chance to fix the problem especially if you voice your concerns or opinions, then they will find another violation.
And the judge does not care a single bit.
Great Job, Guye!! Love You!!