These People Lost $85 Million in an L.A. Heist…and the Robber was the FBI
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- In March 2021, FBI agents broke into private safe deposit boxes at the Southern California business U.S. Private Vaults and-though no individual box owner was suspected of wrongdoing-rifled through and cataloged owners’ belongings, then seized the contents. Property owners are fighting back, and in today’s episode, we talk about what happened, all the reasons that the government’s behavior was illegal and unconstitutional, and why protecting financial privacy is so crucially important for all Americans.
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I Love the part about
( Class Action Lawsuit )
The FBI violated the Warrant
Plan and simple. The Judge should be outraged. If he or she is NOT. Then the Judge should be NOT allowed to do more Warrant sign off. Free People really need to listen about Violation of 4th.
Amendment. I was going to transfer only $ 100 Dollar to my wife's bank from mine. I could NOT deposit $100 into another bank. I personally think it was because, in are State we have Legal pot. The Bank probably thought I was transferred of pot money. It's unbelievable that
$100 cash could not be Deposited, in another Bank. I had only taken it out of my account in my bank, went a block to my wife's bank, and try to deposit that small amount of CASH.
The new standard is "Guilty until you prove yourself innocent ".
Isn't that a violation of a person's rights?
Isn't it a violation of constitutional rights?
So why were no FBI agents arrested for. 1: Lying to a judge. 2: Perpetrating a fraud. And 3: theft. Just because these people are FBI AGENTS. They are not above the law.
LE are the real SovCits, and they know it.
The institute is a farce. I found a large swastika painted on my property. I was arrested and prosecuted but committed no crime with no criminal history. I was ordered from my home that I owned free and clear. Much more. I have two retired career law enforcement professionals to back me up, lobbying on my behalf. The institute refuses to respond to contacts. I lost my home, career, possessions, and more.
These feds violated a court order and should be jailed and fined for contempt
I was just thinking that. If I was the judge I would have ordered the FBI lead into court and asked them why they disobeyed the warrant and when they couldn't justify it, thrown them in jail for contempt of court until they undid the harm to innocent people. That is the only way that this sort of theft by government will stop.
Don't be fooled the judge may claim he had no idea the FBI would abuse this court order. Everyone who herd this knew this was evil, and would be abused. The judge will sit on his hands and watch these people struggle to get their belongings back, while claiming he had no idea this would happen. The drug war has done more than corrupted police it has also corrupted prosecutors and judges.
If they get into trouble they just invite the DHS, who doesn't need warrants and they have their own judges on hand.
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That's what troubles me more than anything else -- the blatant disregard for a judge's order. If we don't have the Rule of Law, we have nothing. We're nothing more than North Korea or Iran.
The fact that the FBI willfully ignored the search warrant, it makes me question the original allegations against the US Vault employee. If these people will steal property from innocent people, won't they also fake evidence to take down the company as well?
Definitely. Or rather, maybe. When they were relating that the FBI never pursued any criminal action against the employee, nor continued their prosecution so far after obtaining the indictment, leads me to believe that the employee was a plant, probably an undercover agent, and that the Feds were really after the contents of the boxes. You on the right, and I on the left, and we both seem to agree!
@@edwardmiessner6502 I didn't even know that they dropped the case against the employee. That makes it look even worse. It's really starting to sound like the way the lawyer for IJ framed it in the video, some people in the government believe that ordinary citizens don't have a right to privacy and that anyone with lots of cash is gold is 'hiding something'.
I wish the media would spend more time covering these sorts of cases because they can affect everyone American. There were people caught up in this with a few 10s of thousands representing their entire retirement saving stolen from them.
US media prefer to continue their smear campaign against anything on China and their ccp government, that way no one will paid attention to these type of injustices that's happening in US to it's own citizens.
@@inkbold8511 To be fair, CCP can be totalitarian and completely deserving of criticism while the FBI should also be similarly criticized on msm so people demand reforms.
This is absolutely nuts. We are living in a time of ramped EVIL
We always have been. The veil is being pulled back.
@@nickbonello3203 Good point! 👍
Yeah rampant government corruption and evil!
Lol this is the true face of democracy outcome.
@@inkbold8511 BULLSHIT. We don't live in a democracy. Your vote means very little because the court legalized bribery, and we got voter suppression. We live in an oligarchy. The small group of billionaires control the government.
IT IS CLEARLY TIME TO BREAK THE COPS HARD, James Baldwin, "The most dangerous creation of any society is the man with nothing to lose"!!!!
OFF the badge wearing terrorists!
You want to break the cops hard, then use their own tactics against them. I mean the complete investigatory tactics, from following and surveillance to photographs and database logging of all persons and tactics who are cops or contacts who see them and follow all contacts they interact with, 3 layers deep....just like NSA.
And it IS possible, it just takes a lot of people and a lot of boots on the ground.
John G. Wells Stagecoach Company dealt with such people, and the company created the "shotgun position" to deal with such bandits. Things won't get completely right until We, The People go back to the days of executing highway bandits alongside the road the same way they were executed before the days of the construction of the Panama Canal. (The John Wells Stagecoach Company delivered the payroll to the workers who built it.)
We've let "them" get away with shit for a long, long time.
It's quite a racket and they're laughing all the way to the bank.
*But, it's never, ever too late*
" *When police break the law there is no law, only a fight for survival* "
-Billy Jack
Defund...only option
This is a clear search and seizure without a warrant case. The existing warrant specifically stipulates the contents of the boxes are not part of that warrant. Even opening the boxes is illegal.
The FBI is a criminal organization, they don't care about pesky things like that. Don't like it? What are you going to do about it! That's their mentality.
@@bones343 go look up IfJ's vids on James King. That's about as much what FBI joint task force officers told James King and what the DOJ is saying and trying to get the Supremes to say.
blame the judge who granted permission to commit this crime.
@@hugokatz Poor take. The judge actually prohibited them from searching and seizing the boxes. The FBI ignored that. Which agency do you work for?
Yet those government employees breaking the law gets rewarded.
Every one of the officers involved should be arrested and should go to prison for theft breaking and entering.
But they were just doing their job!!!
.... Just like the Nazi solders.
How is this even in the courts what Judge would even allow this. every one of the officers envolved should be arrested for theft!
Exactly.
I hate when they say "a judge"
That judge has a name and a face.
Let's air both of them.
Let's put the fbi agents face & name out
Someone deserves serious prison time over this. This is utterly ridiculous. The judge should hold the individuals seeking the warrant responsible and hold them in contempt or something. This should not and cannot happen.
@@drummer1977 and the US Supreme Court has written laws that permit this too.
"Rights? Rights? You Americains talk about rights, but pretty soon you will find that you have no rights." - Said by a French dignitary sometime in or before the 90s
Cry to your president Joe Pull-Ups Biden. See what help you get. Hahaha.
The Supreme Court doesn’t write laws🤦🏻♂️
yes, jail time for these agents and lose there immunity.
And something I would like to add is that the SUPERVISORS who condoned and directed these violations MUST be held PERSONALLY and OFFICIALLY responsible - until we as a society begin to punish blatant violations NOTHING will change.
When people chant "LOCK THEM UP", THESE are the ones who should face imprisonment!!!
Not a single FBI agent will get so much as a slap on the wrist for this.
They will investigate themselves and find there was no wrong doing. Lest hope the judge finds his balls and hold them in contempt for not following his orders.
@fury - Actually, I believe this is going to bring a great wrath on the government from The People. There will be a point-of-no-return when the people will move on the government and rip it apart.
This is history.
History always repeats itself.
This will go up under Bivens and the FTCA to the Supremes where a majority will say, the plaintiffs can't sue under Bivens because the facts presented here give a new context from our originally approved trinity of cases and besides they can sue under the FTCA, then turn around and say they can't sue under the FTCA because reasons
OMG.
@@rsmith3062 They'd kill him if he did
Even when you prove your innocence they still keep your money?
The officers and any other government official involved should be held responsible and convicted. This is sickening. Keep up the good work IJ. God bless
Nah they should be shot and murdered like a ny other common armed robber deserves
It is the government's job to protect our property, not to steal it.
TAX & KILL What Corp GOV Dose
The Supreme Court said the Government doesn't have to protect our very persons, but can violate them. Why do you think they'll make them protect our property?
Not anymore! Thanks Biden.
Another example of why qualified immunity should be abolished. We now have two classes of citizens, one for whom the constitution applies and another who are free to do whatever they want with no consequences. When do we get justice for all instead of justice for the few? Why no contempt charges for blatantly defying a judges order? I guarantee you that if a citizen were to do this they would be in jail. The FBI has a long history of violating the constitution.
This is so true, now try the NSA, they too violate the Constitution left and right and up and down. History has proven time and time again ALL three-letter agencies abuse thier power. ALL these agencies have the mentality they are above the law.
These judges should be at the top of the list of criminals, since when does any judge do anything on a promise? If any judge does business such as this he should be off the bench.
We also need to abolish absolute Immunity for federal law enforcement, whether or not you sue the Government in the same lawsuit. (Byrd v Lamb, Hamdi v Weyker, Oliva v Nivar, Brownback v King)
@@edwardmiessner6502 We as a country need to go back to the way our founding for fathers had intended or this country to function. Non of this Immunity for crimes and violations that has occurred. No the above the law agencies NSA,CIA , EPA etc. Somewhere down the line those in office ignored and or strayed away from what is meant to serve in office, their job is to serve the people. I said this on numerous occasions, out government is for the people by the people from the people. Now we have a dangerous political mentality of a government to the people. Those need to be removed from office. To add insult to injury, the same people in office who want immunity are retiring with extravagant retirement packages the do not deserve. What have they done for the people except to harass, violate mess with the people lives freedom and money. Some people in office should be in jail.
I remember a phrase "and Justice for all" some where. I think those words can be deleted.
'The FBI lost 70k of gold from her security box'.
The FBI didnt lose it, they 'lost' it.
This case as presented looks like the definition of unreasonable search and seizure. Identification of the box owner could come from the records of the facility. This is not American. Way over the line.
More like communism, this country is transitioning into that more and more by a Thousand Cuts !
@@uspatriot4261 agreed.
This has been the way of U.S. enforcement agents for 4+ decades. Thanks Reagan. Oh and Trump expanded on it.
@@nickbonello3203
All these fucks are just playing their part in the movie, enjoy the show ! Ha ha !
@Willy Wonka yeah, it's probably Captain Obvious level thinking, even so, it's still true. 🤣
"Box holders get $12" lol best line of the interview.
Let’s see: violating a judge’s order, in regards to the warrant followed by illegals search and seizure, and then assuming guilt with ZERO evidence beyond having large sums of money. This case should end up before the Supreme Court, and issuing judge should have agents arrested for contempt at the least.
The Feds walk all over the States in every respect. The largest problem with the US is the Federal Government…by far. They will be the downfall of America.
The FBI should pay DOUBLE the value in each of these boxes they took.
Or steal 85 million. I bet they take the latter.
So you want the FBI to take my tax dollars that I paid and use it to pay double the value of the boxes?
My tax dollars? See the problem is that even if what you suggest was done none of the officers would pay a penny of their own money. All fines and penalties are paid with taxes collected from ME and YOU.
Until each officer is held personally accountable they will continue to do stuff like this anytime they want.
@4:08 "...the Government doesn't like that people have a place to store cash, or a place to store gold or other very valuable property that's outside a bank account..."
I bet that Our Government doesn't keep track of any of the Politicians who have Offshore Accounts, and such.
Federal government also wants access to all bank accounts as a way to 'fight tax evasion'. The IRS already can easily gain access to bank records if they have any evidence on a specific person that they might be evading tax, but this would allow the IRS to scan all bank accounts of all customers to search for 'suspicious' transactions.
Please do a follow-up on the lawsuits. I want to know how they turned out
This makes no sense: "You only have a warrant to find out who owns what and give it back". How do you do that without opening the boxes?
You should do a story about the FBI hacking into citizens computers who haven't committed any crimes and spying on them
So a story about abuses that can't ever be proved? Without physical evidence, no judge will rule in a Citizen's favor. A judge can ask but can't compel the FBI to release internal documents, because the FBI is the agency that would execute the warrant.
@@joshentheosparks7492 1. It can be proven if you know what to look for.
2. The FBI admitted a few months ago (which the media didn't cover) they do surreptitiously hack people's computers google it. Their reasoning is to stop malware and if you believe that's all they are doing then you are a fool. Edward Snowden even talks about this. The Guardian reported that 1 in 4 hackers is an FBI informant. Maybe you are an FBI agent trying to discredit information, not much has changed since the J Edgar Hoover days
I agree
Absolutely ridiculous governmental conduct! Period!
This is appalling 😱 I don't believe for one second that the judge didn't know this was going to happen. 🙄
that's why the judge point blank said contents of boxes are excluded from search
Than You all SO much for protecting our rights and freedoms.
Governmental agents need to be held personally liable for every violation they commit against any Constitutional right. They should have no right to immunity in such cases.
The new standard is "Guilty until you prove yourself innocent ".
Isn't that a violation of a person's rights?
Isn't it a violation of constitutional rights?
Yes but it seems it doesn't matter anymore .....
ANY F.B.I. THAT WENT AGAINST WHAT THE JUDGE INSTRUCTIONS WERE SHOULD BE FIRED . PERIOD
Or jailed.
Fired, charged, prosecuted and held personally responsible and financially responsible.
I wish I knew about the Institute for Justice back when I was still interested in the idea of pursuing a career in law when I was younger. The idea of working for IJ and actually being part of a worthy cause gets my libertarian heart going.
Great, now I can't even feel secure with my safety deposit box. So, tell me again how law enforcement is keeping me safe from thieves and other criminals? What do you do when the ones who are supposed to be keeping you safe, are the ones robbing you blind. And all under the cover of law? The judge who gave them that warrant should be disbarred!
Simply put, the agents, who violated the terms of the Federal Search Warrant, exceeded their authority and while acting under the "Color of Law" violated the 4th, 6th and 8th Amendments, i.e. Illegal Search/Seizure and Due Process.
Under 42 USC 1983, these agents should be held accountable.
Even though I haven't been violated like this I sure do appreciate all of you for standing up for all of us. Thank you for your dedication to the Constitution and the rights that were given to all of us.
I love IJ, we should rally behind them
Example of every day unlawful search and seizure violations to fund policing since they don’t get enough taxpayer money.
They get plenty of tax money. They are just greedy
They are at best socialist parasites.
@@timothyfoutz6147 and at worst they are out Nazis
...and the court failed to issue contempt indictments against the FBI.
This is exactly why blank immunity needs to go. This is just as corrupt as any bank robbery plan. I sure wish IJ can sue the government and get justice for all these people. Thank you for all you are doing!
This is so evil and wrong. Why don’t more people know about this?!? This federal criminal activity should be the top story on every news outlet! Thank you any for showcasing these stories.
The prosecutor and the FBI director in charge of this investigation should have been held in contempt of court for violating the scope of the search warrant that the magistrate issued.
It's sad that we need an organization such as the institute for justice in the untied States of America.
The big question is why isn't someone already in jail over this?
All the FBI agents should go to jail and all their belongings, including their pensions, should be seized to pay off the injured. All agents who participated.
There has to come a point in time where financial liabilities start to lay with the government employees. Fining the government will not reform anything since they will just pay the fine with tax payers' money or just seizing more assets through civil forfeiture to pay the fines. The current system of limited liability doesn't fix the system of protected corruption of the untouchables.
As long as we're on the subject of pretext, I don't suppose that this so-called employee just happened to be an FBI agent or informant? It's a valid question.
I think this is a good case to SUE the FBI.
This was absolutely criminal and We the People are getting fed up with the double standards and the over stepping of legal boundaries !
Someone BETTER go to prison and many others better lose their job ! I will be following this case. Thank you IFJ !
Why has the prosecutor not been held in contempt of court, or the agents themselves for not acting within the scope of the warrant?
I came to know of this case (and IJ) via Steve Lehto's coverage of the story here on YT.
I believe strongly in IJ and was happy to make a donation. I wish there were more efforts like IJ's to right wrongs done to the public by those in gov't. every case makes me dislike people in power more.
26:30 "How will the law change...?" Their actions exceeded the limits of the law to begin with. The FBI can't even plead ignorance of that fact if for no other reason than the great lengths the judge went to in outlining the limitations on what actions they could perform legally. What makes you think they will be any less dismissive of changes in the law than they were of existing law?
Edit: Spelling error. Thanks again predictive text. 😑
Why don't the Court have a Judge magistrate representative, be present at these kind of search and seizures to be sure the Agency involved is on the up and up? That would solve this problem from ever happening. "Hey Agent Dick Bob, you can't take that!' Very informative video. p.s. Didn't the government do the same thing at Waco with David Koresh?
Non of these agencies are on the up.and up. They’ve become nothing more than organized criminal enterprises protected by a corrupt judiciary.
Who do you call for help when the government is the entity that's hurting you???
Communist countries! (It's that bad)
Absolutely love what you guys are doing and I made a small donation to the cause, thank you 100 times for all your hard work.
The government stole 85 million dollars worth of property. Now it will cost the owner 90 million to get it back.
Government over reach at it's finest.
if the judge or judges in this case don't set a precedent to put a stop to this then no judge in America ever will, you can make your own mind up on why that is ?
You know they helped themselves to whatever they wanted, just like the cops!
They stole the gold. They didn't lose it.
Anonymous should look into some FBI agents coming into unknown sources of wealth since the date this business was raided
Would that be theft-in-office if the local police give away evidence in a trail?
Those records will never be destroyed. and much of the cash will be lost, I am sure of it
I had that happened when I was first married living in Baltimore. They broke out apt. door down looked at us and then asked what our apt. Number was. Husband told them. They asked where such and such number is . That was 3 doors down!
They have been ordered to give the stuff back, and so far refusing, last I heard. You have far more to be concerned about from "govt", than "criminals" This is why people go postal, or killdozer
Let's not forget that banks have near zero obligation to maintain those boxes.
I actually think we need to mandate a LAW that states that ANYONE in Government or in Business who "violates" already well-established Human/Constitutional Rights, SHOULD be prosecuted for doing so. Either Fines, Termination, or Prison (or all of the above) depending on the offense. If there was actual "punishment" involved for these people, they wouldn't even DARE to come close to infringing on our rights. We should NOT have to be continually "relitigating" our BASIC Human and Lawful Rights... This causes more issues, overburdens the Justice System, further they aren't handling important things as they should because of it, etc. It also disenfranchises the poor more so, because only the well-off and "lucky" such as this case can afford to fight back. This needs to change... So much injustice is occurring...
BTW, when I say "Business" also, what I mean are for example Constitutional Rights, they can't "ban" you from exercising them "just because".
Carrying a Firearm for example... Doing so has no impact on the business itself, thus banning lawful carry should be against the law. Now, some other rights might not apply, or can be curbed "some", for example, free speech. It's not reasonable to expect a person can "protest" within a store, because that then infringes on the rights of the Store. Of course, a person can still "speak" in the store in a normal manner, thus it would also not be reasonable and should be unlawful for the store to ban "normal" speech.
So, businesses not simply government have a "duty" to protect basic rights, and this includes the internet, social media, and banks, etc.
Just like with the Phone company, or otherwise, these things are part of the "public square" as PLATFORMS, or are open to the public, thus they cannot rightly infringe on basic rights.
qualified immunity would certainly prevent that for federal LEO
SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FICTIOUS DRUG DEALER SCENARIO?
Undercover FBI agent.
yeah that never went forward. it was a facade to secure the warrant
Eliminating US Government Civil Asset Forfeiture should be the main issue here.
It's not about having something to hide. I don't have anything in my life that I would feel ashamed of or would be criminal but I don't want anyone in my business at all.
Innocent until proven guilty. What is this Cuba, USSR, or the USA?
The worst of the lot, undoubtedly
My wife is Cuban. Her father was a bank accountant. Castro sent soldiers to confiscate the money of depositors. He refused because he knew personally many of them. He went into hiding and managed to escape just barely ahead of the police. How is this different from Castro?
How are private vaults any different from a (garage size) storage facility?
Consequences vs Absolute Immunity
I'm honestly surprised that there isn't more violence involved in forfeiture. Ij is helping to keep things civil and I applauded the work and keeping the peace.
They wouldn't perform like this if it was discouraged or frowned upon.
Seems policing is a very lucrative business. A dream job for some.
" *When the police break the law there is no law, only a fight for survival* "
-Billy Jack
Hey, Institute for Justice !
PLEASE ask ME about being falsely arrested and spending FIVE DAYS in jail for telling a deputy what he is doing is ILLEGAL
This ties into another case IJ is working on - qualified immunity has got to end. These agents know that they can do whatever they want regardless of a judges order and can not be held accountable
these days you cant tell the cops from the robbers
Vault robbers!!! Not America anymore. My local police would have loved to help them and say the FBI was never there. It is how they treat local robberies even when victims witnessed their robbery. Those monitoring the law and order are effectively criminals. All their histories of each involved should be closely checked. We need the IJ to look at the police in this Village next to Albuquerque. 60 thefts in 7 months w witnesses and fingerprints not investigated. Seriously. Closed hearing when victims demanded action. Not done. Hiding names on document handed out at meeting. Very corrupt and organized.
How do they have the right to do this the Judge needs to be charged and the agents that were involved and their boss
THat judge belongs in prison.
judge didn't authorize a warrant for searching boxes. fbi did that on their own
Did not some famous, or perhaps infamous, person (judge) once say, “I wash my hands of this matter”?
I will be following this closely. This is very disturbing.
Time to dig a hole under the house, just like the good old days.
"It's called seizing the means of production w/ extra steps my man" - The FBI
As an American who values freedom, justice, safety and human rights I demand to see heads roll in the FBI for this particular fiasco! Indeed, Americans are becoming wise to the fact that asset forfeiture must be banned! Qualified immunity is the other great injustice that must be destroyed. Those and recognizing property owners 'right to repair' are the most pressing issues in law today.
Hey, FBI unboxer here! Today we'll be opening up Safety Deposit Boxes we don't have warrants for and keeping the contents! Video'd for your entertainment!
They knew they would get immunity or a blanket from the judge the system is corrupt!
Great information.!
15:40 Unbelievable. Civil asset forfeiture laws need to be abolished immediately!
yes total robbery. horrible and sad! But has been going on for hundreds of years.
The funny thing about the 10000.00 dollar limit is that was a limit imposed back in the forties I believe. Which we all can understand that 10000.00 dollars back then was way more valuable and had more purchasing power. So obviously the limit should go up to whatever today's value is. But in the infinite wisdom of the government bureaucracy they want to drop the limit to 600.00 dollars. Tell me this isn't a dystopian police state. 🤣😂
It's very sad that most people aren't aware of this and do not realize that it is a defining moment for our nation. The fact that the FBI did this, and then thought they could get away with it, and even worse that they so far are continuing to get away with it is disheartening beyond imagination. Then consider that higher-ups in the FBI, the courts, the justice department, the executive branch, the house, the senate, and especially the courts, starting with the court that issued the original warrant, have not screamed bloody murder and called to task the FBI for this action, says we are doomed as a nation. It would seem that at every possible check in the system along the way, not one person or entity had enough integrity to say no to this criminal scheme.
I can't help but think that the Bureau did this as a test case of a new tactic. Scary.
Allot of stuff is already missing, nothing you can do ! You have to prove what you had in your storage box.
FBI, ignored the warrent. They took all, now they won't give it back.
I once lived in America, I no longer do, and I didn't even move.
People have been using these vaults like these forever, it's not anything new!
no cash in your cookie jar is allowed, no gold, no silver, citizens must keep cash in banking system where it can be "bailed in" in a financial collapse. you must keep assets where they can be easily seized. IRS or lawsuits or fines by court action all those lawyers want your cash where it can be easily grabbed, costing you $1000's in lawyer fees to maybe get it back.
People are not magically selfless when they are given power. Instead selfishness leads them too power.
Whichever FBI Boss approved this should be arrested.....
This comes down from the top. Why do the superiors in the DOJ allow this. There should be criminal liability
This is why I laugh when crooked ones are in the obituaries!
there are 19,495 incorporated cities, towns and villages in the United States if the FBI only did this in a thousand city's at $ 85,000,000 each. $ 85,000,000 time a 1,000 equals 85 trillion was the FBI planning to pay off the the federal deficit this way to stop the collapse?
FBI Needs to be jailed for their crimes every one of them that was there and the people involved in the planning, coordinating and controlling of this heist.