Believe or not. The C.I.A. asked the production crew were they got Soviet vehicles. Of course at this time, it was impossible for Hollywood to get real Soviet equipment, at that time. The production crew told the C.I.A. that the vehicles were mock ups using wood and cardboard . All of the AKM rifles were Egyptian Maadis. Which were as close as you get. The RPK is a Valmet rifle out of Finland (which the same rifle can be seen in the movie Commando, staring Arnold Schwarzenegger).They mocked up M60s to look like DSHK machine guns. The art department went all out on this movie. You have to consider/remember that the best information we were getting about Soviet equipment was coming out of Afghanistan at that time.
The tanks were built on an M-48 Tank Chassis and are mostly fiberglass. They did a great job mocking up the soviet armor. The Hind helicopters weren't bad but Stallone had better mock-ups in his Rambo movie set in Afghanistan.
@@G1llmanBlacklg00n you have to remember at this time, there was still a bounty on Soviet helicopter parts and the bump under the chin of the hind was thought to be some sort of “death ray” as stories related by the mujahideen were saying. There were very few pics and they were grainy of Hinds A-models with the square cockpit glass.
I served with the OPFOR at Fort Irwin in the mid-90's. The mockups (vismods) we used for Soviet equipment were laughable compared to what they put together for this movie. Our "Hind" was just an old Huey with Soviet-style camo and a tiny fiberglass bump mounted under the nose.
William Smith, the actor who played the Russian officer, was active in the Air force during the Korea war. Was fluent in Russian, French, German and Serbo-Croatian. He did some secret ferret stuff behind Soviet borders and had clearances from both CIA and NSA but decided on an acting career instead of furthering his employ within the government. So he was a real life, bona fide, badass...
John has a long mustache. John. Has. A. Long. Mustache. That and the chair were English translations of transmissions to the French Resistance on D-Day 1944.
Because of that grenade scene I practiced throwing a practice one that I bought in a surplus store all through high school. When I went to basic training in 1988 I qualified expert.
It was a mercy killing. The kid would be dead before anyone else found him. He'd bleed out or more likely wolves would get to him before he was dead or cold.
The Steznaz officer on top of the tank they ambushed who said, "Forgetthe broad, get her stuff..." was a Green Beret legend Fred Rexer. He was one of the military advisers on the film. Fred spent over three years in Vietnam and racked up a Silver Star and six Purple Hearts. I thought you guys might enjoy knowing that. After the service he made his living advising Hollywood productions and selling Class 3 weapons as a licensed dealer.
Always enjoy the reviews and breakdowns. Lone survivor, 12 strong the rock, 13 hours and so many movies yall could breakdown! Keep up the great work FNG!
@2:10, I’ve heard the director asked Swayze to think about the death of his real father. Swayze’s dad Jesse had passed away a year before this movie went into production.
@@jokersanonymous3166 No, it's not. It's called Method Acting and that's precisely how actors without the ability to summon tears or other intense emotions are able to bring it. Search up Lee Strasberg. He's a legend in the acting world. This is how art is made, versus artificial strain to get something out that you just can't feel. And it's a very good bet that every one of your favorite actors are a follower of Strausberg and the Method Acting style
@@LA_HA I know all about it. I'm also an actor and have studied Stanislavski, Uta Hagen, Meisner, etc. You missed the whole point. I said for someone, the director, in this case to ask an actor to think on their dead father for a production is so wrong opposed to if Swayze chose ON HIS OWN to go there, then fine.
The scene where the father talks about pushing his sons on a swing foreshadows the ending where both sons are on a swing, one dead and the other arguably more than likely close to death. For something so small in detail, this movie shines by foreshadowing the events. I know there are people out there that say Jed survived. I always hoped that was the case and still hope that's the case, but if not then I love the story of their father's favorite story of pushing them on a swing and both brothers dying on a swing. It's cliche to say this, but it would be like both brothers are reunited with their father in the happiest moment of time as a family. Themes and shit.
@@thesehandlesarefuckingstupid It's not so much foreshadowing about the swings and bench, both are commonly in parks tho. The real foreshadowing comes from when the father says- "I'm not going to be around to pick you up when you fall down, both of you are going to have to take care of each other now", which is literally how both brothers die. Jed picking up Matt and carrying him to the bench. Foreshadowing. Also: Harry Dean Stanton stole the scene with his acting.
@@thesehandlesarefuckingstupid Yeah, it's definitely a bench and when I said swing, I meant like a bench swing, not a single person swing for children. Still correct about all the foreshadowing in the scene tho, keep in mind I also write some of my comments after some beers, so mistakes will be made lol.
@@thesehandlesarefuckingstupid Also, just watched the scene. There are literally two swings directly behind them in shot, so there's the confusion. Foreshadowing and shit.
In an invasion situation.....there would be no such thing as murder. It's kill or be killed. The only other option would be to tie him up and leave him for his buddies to find, which in turn would be able to give them Intel as well as be able to get back on the battlefield. Or to take them prisoner where they become a liability against the rest of the group as well as use the limited resources that your group has. Plus every single one of their soldiers that get taken out has to be replaced. It takes resources and time to replace those soldiers. You take out enough of them you break their will to fight.
Not to mention he just got through trying to kill them... And being High School kids. They were still pissed they lost their parents. As Revenge is a poor excuse for Justice. But there is no Justice in War.. Just the living and dead...
@@lanesilva9234you think that as it was being decided what to do with him, the main thing going into the decision making was the opinion of Rachel Maddox? Come on
This was my child hood. Red Dawn VHS 1987/88 ( I forget exactly) Fort Lewis Wa. We just got back from Fort Irwin. I was 8/9 years old. one of my buddies jacked the VHS from his dad. We went around to all our Friends looking for a house where the parents were gone, and had a VHS player. This took a couple days. We hid the VHS in our fort that all the kids had built in a green belt area on the out skirts of our development on the fort. Finally one our friends mom had some appointments for the morning. once she left we all went over there to watch it. our minds were blown. We played ARMY all the time anyways, but after seeing the Wolverines kicking commy ass that is all we did the rest of that summer. It was Fort building playing ARMY, or G.I. Joes playing ARMY.
As far as taking the guy prisoner vs murdering him, they did not really have the resources to take prisoners. The director has stated he wanted this to be an anti-war movie and show how war can cause people to lose their humanity. That is probably best shown when they kill one of their friends because he betrayed them. I do wish you had gone into a little more detail on the scene where they are planning the attack on the prison compound. I just think that is the funniest part in the movie, but it does show that they are still just kids with no formal military training.
IRC John Milius original plan was to show how this was an old man's war fought by young men and there were other two characters that were cut when the higher ups changed the plan, basically we will have followed two young russian soldiers that were meant to be the wolverine counterpart in this war. We can see a remnant of this idea in how the only adult that don't push the kids to fight and seem to have a sincere interest in their well being and survival is ironically the downed pilot that lead them for a while.
This has always been one of my guilty pleasures since I saw it in the theater…as a kid. I still love it and really won’t waste my time with the substandard (putting it nicely) remake.
This traumatized me as a kid and it didn’t help that my school classroom looked identical to this with a giant field outside the window. I constantly got in trouble for staring out the window.
6:12 Actually this does make sense. Most Soviet T model tanks including the T-80 up until 1999 ran on diesel gasoline. So back in 1983 this wouldn't be weird.
The films military advisor was a former Vietnam era special forces soldier who took the main cast on a 2 month training course. William Smith, who played Streinkov, was a former Air Force intelligence who served in Korea and was fluent in Russian
These are all awesome! Better recaps than sitting through some of these full movies again. A lot of them held up; a lot of them didn’t! Excited to see what movies you dudes do in the future!
When the haqqani network did the attacks at salerno and fenty, they were using fucking google maps! When i saw the video they released, i wondered why the us never thought that it should have been censored.
I had professional Order of Battle experience. Running a T-72 by itself isn't tactically sound in counter-insurgency--but many gas stations in the western USA had diesel even back in the Eighties. I was in the Army when Red Dawn came out and sometimes diesel-powered Army vehicles would refuel from commercial sources.
WELL DONE🤩 Thanks for letting me "re-watch' this again. I'm glad you liked it. It's been a favorite of mine as well. 1. Harry Dean Stanton(RIP) was one of the best character actors I've ever seen. Deep portfolio, including Alien, Pretty in Pink, Christine, Escape from New York and the Green Mile. He even had a part in Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke. It was when the boys went to jail and he was an inmate but the footage was cut. 2. Loved Patrick(RIP) 3. Charlie Sheen Can play other than funny.
Haven’t seen this one, but that opening scene alone was better than all of the new one. Please do a breakdown of Black Crab with Andy! Lots of arctic warfare stuff to talk about!
In Asamahwah (OIF1, initial invasion) we were blocking force for another Batt from our unit who were attacking to take three bridges in that city. Oddly enough as we moved overnight to get into our position we ended up at one of the bridges at about 02:30 and it was unguarded. Battalion told our PL disregard and continue to our position. Anyway, when 2/325 AIR started their attack at dawn (I was in Alpha 1/325) we were set up in our blocking position. We started receiving small arms fire and I got my 240B rocking. As this was going on an RPG flew right overhead of our perimeter and detonated about 100 feet outside of it. In my mind’s eye and even at the time, that thing looked like a slow moving mini fireball. A kid from 3rd squad was about fifteen feet from me, we watched it pass just overhead between us and gave each other dumbfounded holy shit looks. A bit later they hit their target and got one of the pair of Javelin gunners from my weapons squad. The Teo dudes were lucky as shit because the Iraqis had forgotten to take off baling wire on the RPG round. One was dinged up a bit but they survived. TLDR, I could see a slow moving RPG round.
I watched your video on the Red Dawn remake a while back and you said you’d do the original - I thought that would be awesome to see but probably just an empty promise. Was pumped to see this pop up!
7:10 @Buck, please note these are RGD-5 hand grenades with the UZRGM fuse, these come from the factory with a cheat to automatically go into BTR-60 hatches.
The Red Dawn scene at 8:31 with the Soviet aircraft lifting up was a replica Yak-38 VTOL (Vertical Take-Off and Landing) fighter/attack jet similar to the Harrier. The hand grenade was tossed into the air intake of the vertically mounted jet lift engines. Therefore, it fodded out the lift engines and exploded them along with the aircraft. Watch closely as the pilot ejected as the aircraft began exploding. The Rock is a completely laughable movie in terms of military accuracy. U.S. Air Force F/A-18’s??? WTF😂
We were on standby at our unit after it came out. About 30 of us Marines roasted that movie. Seemed about every 5 minutes someone was calling out some BS.
That jet that did the nose lift then sat back down was supposed to be a vertical takeoff and landing jet that Russia had back in the 80s that didn’t last very long called the Yak-38 it was their version of our AV-8 Harrier jump jet.
It would l be interesting to see you play or even just react to some realistic games. Try Arma 3 or Squad on PC. In my competitive Squad group we watched infantry ROTC lectures for squad and platoon level tactics. The UA-camr Karmakut has a lot of footage of these sorts of games, plays with veterans and organizes sim events.
The point of the "Hollywood" idea that someone just is out of action with one bullet is like a movie myth I carried on with an open head wound that was showing my brain and carried on for two to three days without more than pj's and Corman to take care of but I could hold a gun!
The guys actually camped and did survival stuff with their dad in the movie. I believe that’s their background. Hence the reason they know the area and guns. This movie was awesome when I grew up I loved it.
At around 5:40...No. you couldn't take him prisoner. You couldn't let him go either. If they took him, where would they keep him? They live outside. They had no base. No fob,no cells or even cages. How would you feed him? Or treat his wounds? You can't learn anything from him by keeping him, you don't speak the same language. But even if you could, then what? If they took him he would escape eventually. Then you and your team would die. The great part about that scene was ...the leader didn't ask anyone else to do it. He took on the responsibility of killing the soldier himself. For his team. That's the lesson. War is killing. Call it murder, hunting, servicing targets, etc. Taking life, is taking life. It was absolutely necessary. He did the the best one could do. In my, not so humble, opinion
Great video! My AP World History teacher showed us this movie in high school. I still think the story behind the making of this is the most interesting aspect. Outstanding Breakdown. Would love to see an episode on Full Metal Jacket or Sicario.
Once I had my boys the scene with Swayze & Sheen with their dad at the camp really hit me different. Just thinking now of them being small and playing gets me emotional. My oldest is almost 21 now, and a USAF EOD tech in Korea. His goal if to go SF when his 1st enlistment is over. He'll be calling you guys.
Hey buck you have some great classes on how to pack your rucksack and all that good stuff. Could you do a video on how to pack it with actual CIF gear for the 03 guys to have a better idea on how to pack actual gear for the field. Thanks a lot love you content
Chuck Norris in delta force would be a great one! Love this whole series so far! Also, I made an impossible throw once, crushed gum wrapper right into this dude’s butt in biology class. I saw an opportunity and seized the moment🤣
I totally agree with you about the gamers. They really think that they have a grasp on tactics and weapons and such. My personal favorite in games is all the gear that characters cart around, 10 rifles and a few side arms and the full pack as well. They actually think that they are their character.
Wolverines!!!!! Classic movie hah, Brandon Hererra does a slick breakdown of the weapons in this film (since it was hard to get Combloc weapons at the time being it was still the Cold War, they had to improvise).
2:15, the Dad would've gotten his sons caught and killed he tried to have them get bolt cutters. He wanted his kids to be strong and avenge him. Remember, they are high school kids. They aren't soldiers. 8:30, he's paraphrasing Emiliano Zapata who said "It's better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!". He wanted them to die stand up and fighting not die begging on their knees.
my advice - don't jump so much in the movie. you skipped the entire escape from the school, getting supplies and initial trip to the woods. huge jump from the enemy landing at the school and everyone in interment camps lol. wtf.
Ya didnt recap where the Air Force Colonel explains how, when, where the invasion happen. If you really think about it, it sounds like a legit invasion plan.
Very good critiques ... 80s movies are definitely a laugh. RE: unless there is a VI that imitates the sound and wind velocity of a firearm round wizzing by your ear and the split vaccuum of pressure and space just before an explosion ... anybody can talk war tactics ... it's the sounds and the smell of battle that will keep one in place and that's something a video game or VI has yet to create. Fun video. Thumbs up.
Shame you didn't show the scene where one of the kids betrayed their own. I remember watching this movie as a kid in the 90s. That was a rough scene where they were arguing over executing a captured Soviet and their childhood friend. Charlie Sheen's character: "What's the difference between us and them?!" Patrick Swayze's character: "We live here!" *BANG*
Things that were great in this movie: -The equipment they created. The story about the CIA thinking it was real is true. -The progression of the Wolverines from "scared kids" to battle-weary guerillas. -The score. Things that were not great in this movie: -The acting in most parts. -The purely magical grenade throwing throughout. -The ending. I was 12 years old when this one was released, and it definitely stoked my childhood imagination. In the US Army of the 1990s you couldn't really get through a training exercise without "Wolverines!" being shouted at least once. Don't know how familiar you all are with this one, but the character of Walter in "The Big Lebowski" was based on John Milius, the director of this film. Milius also wrote the screenplay for "Apocalypse Now", although it was subjected to heavy re-writes by director Francis Ford Coppola.
The scene with fighter jet tilting up, it was on a ground base catapult system like on a carrier. Several countries used them but stopped they really didn't work that good.
@@armynurseboy Yup, the YAK-38 was kinda like the Sea Harrier II, though I don't know if this was supposed to be a YAK-38 in the movie, and I don't know anything about the YAK-38s effectiveness in general, was it worth anything in combat?
6:19 Russian t70 series, I believe can run on almost any fuel for logistics reasons. May be the Abrams tank but there is a tank that takes universal fuel.
I loved the OG one, but I also loved the remake, both were pretty good movies for what they were..I remember when everyone was afraid of that happening, Russians parachuting down from the sky..
Man I had forgotten how awesome the first *Red Dawn* was!, and I'm not even Amurkan(so I don't have that *"Fuck Yeah!"* feeling, it is just an objectively good flick! Lol@ your *SERE* School moment Buck!, 3 days into starving, *EVERYTHING* tastes AMAZING! nice one Lads!
im surprised you guys didnt react to the other part of the planing the kids dont understand any of the tactics of the plan he's saying and him getting pissed about it
@@FNGACADEMY I remember a teacher in high school who said this wasn't a movie but instead a training video but then again that same teacher would probably be swallowing the pro-Putin BS we see today.
Man the scene where swazey is crying the director told him to pretend he was talking to his then recently dead mother. Thus why he was crying so hard and so realistic
looking for more of a tactical review? we did that on this version. Enjoy!
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Wow
That's not Red Dawn. That is some invasion of the body snatchers fake wannabe
There is only one Red Dawn IMO we just need to forget the other one exists.
11 minutes for original and 17 for the crappy follow up? Injustice!
Everytime I watch the guys parachuting in, my knees scream in pain.
Believe or not. The C.I.A. asked the production crew were they got Soviet vehicles. Of course at this time, it was impossible for Hollywood to get real Soviet equipment, at that time. The production crew told the C.I.A. that the vehicles were mock ups using wood and cardboard . All of the AKM rifles were Egyptian Maadis. Which were as close as you get. The RPK is a Valmet rifle out of Finland (which the same rifle can be seen in the movie Commando, staring Arnold Schwarzenegger).They mocked up M60s to look like DSHK machine guns. The art department went all out on this movie. You have to consider/remember that the best information we were getting about Soviet equipment was coming out of Afghanistan at that time.
Thats actually cool as fuck
The tanks were built on an M-48 Tank Chassis and are mostly fiberglass. They did a great job mocking up the soviet armor. The Hind helicopters weren't bad but Stallone had better mock-ups in his Rambo movie set in Afghanistan.
@@G1llmanBlacklg00n you have to remember at this time, there was still a bounty on Soviet helicopter parts and the bump under the chin of the hind was thought to be some sort of “death ray” as stories related by the mujahideen were saying. There were very few pics and they were grainy of Hinds A-models with the square cockpit glass.
I served with the OPFOR at Fort Irwin in the mid-90's. The mockups (vismods) we used for Soviet equipment were laughable compared to what they put together for this movie. Our "Hind" was just an old Huey with Soviet-style camo and a tiny fiberglass bump mounted under the nose.
that's all really awesome. thanks for that!
William Smith, the actor who played the Russian officer, was active in the Air force during the Korea war. Was fluent in Russian, French, German and Serbo-Croatian.
He did some secret ferret stuff behind Soviet borders and had clearances from both CIA and NSA but decided on an acting career instead of furthering his employ within the government.
So he was a real life, bona fide, badass...
And he played the mighty father of Conan the Barbarian!
"This you can trust!"
And you can never be sure if that's his real name . I think he was a high ranking spy for the CIA or NSA .
@@BruceStephan Given his background I wouldn't be surprised...
"The chair is against the wall"
Original is a product of its time and better than the remake. The remake literally had no excuse to be worse.
they should have fired drake and made it rated R
@@FNGACADEMY they also should have kept the invaders as the Chinese
John has a long mustache. John. Has. A. Long. Mustache. That and the chair were English translations of transmissions to the French Resistance on D-Day 1944.
@@mcelravys See the Longest Day or the book.
@@FNGACADEMY Drake? That was Josh Peck. The Black Rifle Coffee Company is garbage by the way. They regularly donate to anti-2A Democrat campaigns.
Because of that grenade scene I practiced throwing a practice one that I bought in a surplus store all through high school. When I went to basic training in 1988 I qualified expert.
I only got one toss. The range safety NCOs eyes got really wide when I hesitated half a second to throw mine.
That isn't saying too much. Was there people that didn't qual expert on grenade?
My buddy told me during basic a guy threw the pin instead
😂😂😂
Wish I could have got one, I boloed
I know it is only a movie. They barely had the resources to take care of themselves let alone take care of a prisoner. He had to be eliminated.
It was a mercy killing. The kid would be dead before anyone else found him. He'd bleed out or more likely wolves would get to him before he was dead or cold.
The beginning was filmed at my school in my hometown of Las Vegas, New Mexico. Our hometown was and sounded like a war zone for months
The OG Red Dawn is legit as fuck,almost 40yrs old and still holds up
The Steznaz officer on top of the tank they ambushed who said, "Forgetthe broad, get her stuff..." was a Green Beret legend Fred Rexer. He was one of the military advisers on the film. Fred spent over three years in Vietnam and racked up a Silver Star and six Purple Hearts.
I thought you guys might enjoy knowing that. After the service he made his living advising Hollywood productions and selling Class 3 weapons as a licensed dealer.
Always enjoy the reviews and breakdowns. Lone survivor, 12 strong the rock, 13 hours and so many movies yall could breakdown! Keep up the great work FNG!
all on the list!
Awesome can't wait brotha!
They did 12 strong I think
The Russians had a vertical take-off fighter, the Yak 38, which is like our harrier. That’s why it started to go straight up in the movie.
oh nice!
@2:10, I’ve heard the director asked Swayze to think about the death of his real father. Swayze’s dad Jesse had passed away a year before this movie went into production.
That's actually a f*cked thing to ask an actor. If Swayze chose to, great, but for some dude to ask that of someone is so jacked.
@@jokersanonymous3166 No, it's not. It's called Method Acting and that's precisely how actors without the ability to summon tears or other intense emotions are able to bring it.
Search up Lee Strasberg. He's a legend in the acting world.
This is how art is made, versus artificial strain to get something out that you just can't feel. And it's a very good bet that every one of your favorite actors are a follower of Strausberg and the Method Acting style
@@LA_HA I know all about it. I'm also an actor and have studied Stanislavski, Uta Hagen, Meisner, etc. You missed the whole point. I said for someone, the director, in this case to ask an actor to think on their dead father for a production is so wrong opposed to if Swayze chose ON HIS OWN to go there, then fine.
@@jokersanonymous3166 Disagreement doesn't mean I missed the point. But, let's just agree to disagree and enjoy the movie. haha
There will never be another like John Milius in Hollywood. One of a kind.
The scene where the father talks about pushing his sons on a swing foreshadows the ending where both sons are on a swing, one dead and the other arguably more than likely close to death. For something so small in detail, this movie shines by foreshadowing the events. I know there are people out there that say Jed survived. I always hoped that was the case and still hope that's the case, but if not then I love the story of their father's favorite story of pushing them on a swing and both brothers dying on a swing. It's cliche to say this, but it would be like both brothers are reunited with their father in the happiest moment of time as a family. Themes and shit.
They werent on a swing lol. They were on a bench. It wasnt foreshadowing at all.
@@thesehandlesarefuckingstupid It's not so much foreshadowing about the swings and bench, both are commonly in parks tho. The real foreshadowing comes from when the father says- "I'm not going to be around to pick you up when you fall down, both of you are going to have to take care of each other now", which is literally how both brothers die. Jed picking up Matt and carrying him to the bench. Foreshadowing.
Also: Harry Dean Stanton stole the scene with his acting.
@@GhostofGomezDawkins So we agree that you were wrong about them dying on the swing, cool
@@thesehandlesarefuckingstupid Yeah, it's definitely a bench and when I said swing, I meant like a bench swing, not a single person swing for children.
Still correct about all the foreshadowing in the scene tho, keep in mind I also write some of my comments after some beers, so mistakes will be made lol.
@@thesehandlesarefuckingstupid Also, just watched the scene. There are literally two swings directly behind them in shot, so there's the confusion. Foreshadowing and shit.
In an invasion situation.....there would be no such thing as murder. It's kill or be killed. The only other option would be to tie him up and leave him for his buddies to find, which in turn would be able to give them Intel as well as be able to get back on the battlefield. Or to take them prisoner where they become a liability against the rest of the group as well as use the limited resources that your group has.
Plus every single one of their soldiers that get taken out has to be replaced. It takes resources and time to replace those soldiers. You take out enough of them you break their will to fight.
Lone Survivor is the true story of what could happen if you let him go.
@@brianthomas9254 yup.
@@brianthomas9254 and the main reason they let em go was because of liberal media. Really sad
Not to mention he just got through trying to kill them... And being High School kids. They were still pissed they lost their parents. As Revenge is a poor excuse for Justice. But there is no Justice in War.. Just the living and dead...
@@lanesilva9234you think that as it was being decided what to do with him, the main thing going into the decision making was the opinion of Rachel Maddox? Come on
Watching you watch the original is still better than watching the remake.
How has a channel about Green Berets reviewing movies not reviewed the movie "The Green Berets"?
Hell yeah this movie was my absolute favorite as a kid
it's awesome!
@@FNGACADEMYcould you guys do an episode where you just give each other HJs the whole time?
This was my child hood.
Red Dawn VHS 1987/88 ( I forget exactly) Fort Lewis Wa. We just got back from Fort Irwin. I was 8/9 years old. one of my buddies jacked the VHS from his dad. We went around to all our Friends looking for a house where the parents were gone, and had a VHS player. This took a couple days. We hid the VHS in our fort that all the kids had built in a green belt area on the out skirts of our development on the fort. Finally one our friends mom had some appointments for the morning. once she left we all went over there to watch it. our minds were blown. We played ARMY all the time anyways, but after seeing the Wolverines kicking commy ass that is all we did the rest of that summer. It was Fort building playing ARMY, or G.I. Joes playing ARMY.
As far as taking the guy prisoner vs murdering him, they did not really have the resources to take prisoners. The director has stated he wanted this to be an anti-war movie and show how war can cause people to lose their humanity. That is probably best shown when they kill one of their friends because he betrayed them. I do wish you had gone into a little more detail on the scene where they are planning the attack on the prison compound. I just think that is the funniest part in the movie, but it does show that they are still just kids with no formal military training.
IRC John Milius original plan was to show how this was an old man's war fought by young men and there were other two characters that were cut when the higher ups changed the plan, basically we will have followed two young russian soldiers that were meant to be the wolverine counterpart in this war. We can see a remnant of this idea in how the only adult that don't push the kids to fight and seem to have a sincere interest in their well being and survival is ironically the downed pilot that lead them for a while.
This has always been one of my guilty pleasures since I saw it in the theater…as a kid. I still love it and really won’t waste my time with the substandard (putting it nicely) remake.
This traumatized me as a kid and it didn’t help that my school classroom looked identical to this with a giant field outside the window. I constantly got in trouble for staring out the window.
6:12
Actually this does make sense. Most Soviet T model tanks including the T-80 up until 1999 ran on diesel gasoline. So back in 1983 this wouldn't be weird.
"you haven't gone through SF yet."
"You can't take that away from me dog."
LMAO 🤣
Patrick Swayze never had the opportunity to say goodbye to his dad before his dad passed away. He used it for that "I love you" scene.
A good Patrick Swayze war movie is "Uncommon Valor" (1983). It's about Vietnam vets going back to rescue POWs.
Also "Green Berets" with John Wayne
The films military advisor was a former Vietnam era special forces soldier who took the main cast on a 2 month training course.
William Smith, who played Streinkov, was a former Air Force intelligence who served in Korea and was fluent in Russian
sounds like Tropic Thunder
Charlie Sheen later said that Wliam Smith scared the shit out of him the whole time.
These are all awesome! Better recaps than sitting through some of these full movies again. A lot of them held up; a lot of them didn’t! Excited to see what movies you dudes do in the future!
thanks man! we have a long list!
@@FNGACADEMY sweeeeeet! Have fun!
In 2009 or 10 one of our platoons found a model of our JSS while on patrol. It was scary accurate.
What's a jss?
@@snakedoc565 joint security station iirc. It was manned by both US military and Iraqi police and we'd do missions together on occasion
@@politicallyinsensitive4200 you had locals working or kids in ???? thats scary stuff - especially had dialed in mortar crew
When the haqqani network did the attacks at salerno and fenty, they were using fucking google maps! When i saw the video they released, i wondered why the us never thought that it should have been censored.
Finally! The making of this movie is just as amazing as the movie itself
so fun to watch
The jet destroyed on the ground was supposed to be a YAK-36 VTOL ground attack plane.
I had professional Order of Battle experience. Running a T-72 by itself isn't tactically sound in counter-insurgency--but many gas stations in the western USA had diesel even back in the Eighties. I was in the Army when Red Dawn came out and sometimes diesel-powered Army vehicles would refuel from commercial sources.
WELL DONE🤩
Thanks for letting me "re-watch' this again. I'm glad you liked it. It's been a favorite of mine as well.
1. Harry Dean Stanton(RIP) was one of the best character actors I've ever seen. Deep portfolio, including
Alien, Pretty in Pink, Christine, Escape from New York and the Green Mile. He even had a part in Cheech and
Chong's Up in Smoke. It was when the boys went to jail and he was an inmate but the footage was cut.
2. Loved Patrick(RIP)
3. Charlie Sheen Can play other than funny.
that was actually charlie sheens very first movie.
Haven’t seen this one, but that opening scene alone was better than all of the new one. Please do a breakdown of Black Crab with Andy! Lots of arctic warfare stuff to talk about!
we'll add it to the list
It's way better than the other one
Love the classic 😍 Red Dawn from the mod 1980s!
it is a way better movie for sure
@@FNGACADEMY agree 👍
Having grown up in the 80's this movie was awesome! WOLVERINES!!!!!!
The craziest part are how slow the rpg’s fire and flight time. Great 80s stuff!
seriously, everything is slowed down, love 80's movies
In Asamahwah (OIF1, initial invasion) we were blocking force for another Batt from our unit who were attacking to take three bridges in that city. Oddly enough as we moved overnight to get into our position we ended up at one of the bridges at about 02:30 and it was unguarded. Battalion told our PL disregard and continue to our position. Anyway, when 2/325 AIR started their attack at dawn (I was in Alpha 1/325) we were set up in our blocking position. We started receiving small arms fire and I got my 240B rocking. As this was going on an RPG flew right overhead of our perimeter and detonated about 100 feet outside of it. In my mind’s eye and even at the time, that thing looked like a slow moving mini fireball. A kid from 3rd squad was about fifteen feet from me, we watched it pass just overhead between us and gave each other dumbfounded holy shit looks. A bit later they hit their target and got one of the pair of Javelin gunners from my weapons squad. The Teo dudes were lucky as shit because the Iraqis had forgotten to take off baling wire on the RPG round. One was dinged up a bit but they survived. TLDR, I could see a slow moving RPG round.
Please do Generation Kill I know its a 7 part mini series but I would love to see a breakdown of that show. It's a damn good show
I remember watching this movie for the first time at my best friends house in Syracuse NY on cable back in 1986. It was awesome.
I watched your video on the Red Dawn remake a while back and you said you’d do the original - I thought that would be awesome to see but probably just an empty promise. Was pumped to see this pop up!
Too bad the review sucked.
7:10 @Buck, please note these are RGD-5 hand grenades with the UZRGM fuse, these come from the factory with a cheat to automatically go into BTR-60 hatches.
The Red Dawn scene at 8:31 with the Soviet aircraft lifting up was a replica Yak-38 VTOL (Vertical Take-Off and Landing) fighter/attack jet similar to the Harrier. The hand grenade was tossed into the air intake of the vertically mounted jet lift engines. Therefore, it fodded out the lift engines and exploded them along with the aircraft. Watch closely as the pilot ejected as the aircraft began exploding.
The Rock is a completely laughable movie in terms of military accuracy. U.S. Air Force F/A-18’s??? WTF😂
Let’s get it!!!🍻 Could y’all do Battle Los Angeles? It’s on the sci-fi side but I loved it lol
Cheers my brother
enjoy homie! cheers!
We were on standby at our unit after it came out. About 30 of us Marines roasted that movie. Seemed about every 5 minutes someone was calling out some BS.
@@napalmstickylikeglue man that’s like every action movie that has came out since I was educated in those fields
@@3SIXTYPROD right? I can't watch military or police movies with my friends.
I remember being terrified when I saw the teacher and students getting shot, very traumatic
That jet that did the nose lift then sat back down was supposed to be a vertical takeoff and landing jet that Russia had back in the 80s that didn’t last very long called the Yak-38 it was their version of our AV-8 Harrier jump jet.
It would l be interesting to see you play or even just react to some realistic games. Try Arma 3 or Squad on PC. In my competitive Squad group we watched infantry ROTC lectures for squad and platoon level tactics. The UA-camr Karmakut has a lot of footage of these sorts of games, plays with veterans and organizes sim events.
Yea they could do it with Drewski
The point of the "Hollywood" idea that someone just is out of action with one bullet is like a movie myth I carried on with an open head wound that was showing my brain and carried on for two to three days without more than pj's and Corman to take care of but I could hold a gun!
The movie The Big Red One has a good line between Mark Hamill and Lee Marvin about the difference between murder and killing.
The guys actually camped and did survival stuff with their dad in the movie. I believe that’s their background. Hence the reason they know the area and guns. This movie was awesome when I grew up I loved it.
At around 5:40...No. you couldn't take him prisoner.
You couldn't let him go either. If they took him, where would they keep him? They live outside. They had no base. No fob,no cells or even cages. How would you feed him? Or treat his wounds? You can't learn anything from him by keeping him, you don't speak the same language. But even if you could, then what? If they took him he would escape eventually. Then you and your team would die.
The great part about that scene was ...the leader didn't ask anyone else to do it. He took on the responsibility of killing the soldier himself. For his team. That's the lesson.
War is killing. Call it murder, hunting, servicing targets, etc. Taking life, is taking life.
It was absolutely necessary. He did the the best one could do.
In my, not so humble, opinion
LMAO that heavy breathing as the dad is speaking in the camp though, so focused... hahaha!🤣
Great video! My AP World History teacher showed us this movie in high school. I still think the story behind the making of this is the most interesting aspect. Outstanding Breakdown. Would love to see an episode on Full Metal Jacket or Sicario.
Once I had my boys the scene with Swayze & Sheen with their dad at the camp really hit me different. Just thinking now of them being small and playing gets me emotional.
My oldest is almost 21 now, and a USAF EOD tech in Korea. His goal if to go SF when his 1st enlistment is over. He'll be calling you guys.
Hey buck you have some great classes on how to pack your rucksack and all that good stuff. Could you do a video on how to pack it with actual CIF gear for the 03 guys to have a better idea on how to pack actual gear for the field. Thanks a lot love you content
will do! ill use Tom's gear
Back in the 80's SF loved this movie!
Really like the breakdowns. Would like to see Apocalypse Now (1979) and We Were Soldiers (2002).
Can we have like another 5 of these? These reviews are THE BEST
we will keep them coming!
5? No....like a few hundred.
@@napalmstickylikeglue 😂😂😂 ya I meant like in a row. Now In totality.
@@vrcmf3172 I know...in a row. 🙂
Always enjoy watching buck and the power bottom breaking down movies. Can't wait for the next one!
thanks homie!
"Patrick Swayze, I don't think you know how dying works!" Uh....I think he does.
Chuck Norris in delta force would be a great one! Love this whole series so far!
Also, I made an impossible throw once, crushed gum wrapper right into this dude’s butt in biology class. I saw an opportunity and seized the moment🤣
I totally agree with you about the gamers. They really think that they have a grasp on tactics and weapons and such. My personal favorite in games is all the gear that characters cart around, 10 rifles and a few side arms and the full pack as well. They actually think that they are their character.
Haven't even watched this yet, and I already know its going to be fire
thanks man
Imagine your disappointment
Wolverines!!!!! Classic movie hah, Brandon Hererra does a slick breakdown of the weapons in this film (since it was hard to get Combloc weapons at the time being it was still the Cold War, they had to improvise).
nice! ill check it out
Time for the OG...... WOLVERINES!!!!!
Absolute classic.
solid movie
watching two veterans get buzzed and review movies i didn't know i needed this lol
2:15, the Dad would've gotten his sons caught and killed he tried to have them get bolt cutters. He wanted his kids to be strong and avenge him. Remember, they are high school kids. They aren't soldiers.
8:30, he's paraphrasing Emiliano Zapata who said "It's better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!". He wanted them to die stand up and fighting not die begging on their knees.
I loved the fence scene, showed the humanity side of things.
my advice - don't jump so much in the movie. you skipped the entire escape from the school, getting supplies and initial trip to the woods. huge jump from the enemy landing at the school and everyone in interment camps lol. wtf.
Ya didnt recap where the Air Force Colonel explains how, when, where the invasion happen. If you really think about it, it sounds like a legit invasion plan.
In the movie, the Russian Jet that Tilts upward is supposed to be a Russian YAK-38 which is a real plane that can take off vertically.
They are supposed to be in school in Camulet, Colorado, but most of the movie was filmed in Las Vegas, New Mexico
Very good critiques ... 80s movies are definitely a laugh. RE: unless there is a VI that imitates the sound and wind velocity of a firearm round wizzing by your ear and the split vaccuum of pressure and space just before an explosion ... anybody can talk war tactics ... it's the sounds and the smell of battle that will keep one in place and that's something a video game or VI has yet to create. Fun video. Thumbs up.
“Patrick Swayze don’t know how to die”
Yes, yes he does.
ouch
What about 7.62x51mm (.308 win)? Do the "bad guys" keep fighting when hit by that or go down?
If you haven't done it already you should do a beers and breakdowns of the movie called Heartbreak Ridge it got my buddy join the Marine Corps.
OMG.....YES!!!!!!
Shame you didn't show the scene where one of the kids betrayed their own. I remember watching this movie as a kid in the 90s. That was a rough scene where they were arguing over executing a captured Soviet and their childhood friend.
Charlie Sheen's character: "What's the difference between us and them?!"
Patrick Swayze's character: "We live here!" *BANG*
Things that were great in this movie:
-The equipment they created. The story about the CIA thinking it was real is true.
-The progression of the Wolverines from "scared kids" to battle-weary guerillas.
-The score.
Things that were not great in this movie:
-The acting in most parts.
-The purely magical grenade throwing throughout.
-The ending.
I was 12 years old when this one was released, and it definitely stoked my childhood imagination. In the US Army of the 1990s you couldn't really get through a training exercise without "Wolverines!" being shouted at least once.
Don't know how familiar you all are with this one, but the character of Walter in "The Big Lebowski" was based on John Milius, the director of this film. Milius also wrote the screenplay for "Apocalypse Now", although it was subjected to heavy re-writes by director Francis Ford Coppola.
i love this SFs operator :D u r so on point with ur comments4
" i ate a worm ...it was delicious"... Perfect review! 😂
CANT WAIT FOR THE ROCK LOVE THAT MOVIE ! 🙏🏽
The scene with fighter jet tilting up, it was on a ground base catapult system like on a carrier. Several countries used them but stopped they really didn't work that good.
No it wasn't. It was a Yak-38 VTOL fighter. It was the Russian version of the Harrier, so could take off vertically.
@@armynurseboy Yup, the YAK-38 was kinda like the Sea Harrier II, though I don't know if this was supposed to be a YAK-38 in the movie, and I don't know anything about the YAK-38s effectiveness in general, was it worth anything in combat?
@@eldritchmorgasm4018 the aircraft in the movie was supposed to be a YAK-38
My favorite movie when I was a kid. Also, scared the shit out of me. I watched it the other day and realized how ridiculous the premise was.
8:35
The jet is a Soviet Yak-38, code name Reforger. It's the Soviet rip off of the Harrier so it's a VTOL. Thats why it lifted up like it did.
6:19 Russian t70 series, I believe can run on almost any fuel for logistics reasons. May be the Abrams tank but there is a tank that takes universal fuel.
Hell yeah! Love beers and breakdowns!
thanks man
I loved the OG one, but I also loved the remake, both were pretty good movies for what they were..I remember when everyone was afraid of that happening, Russians parachuting down from the sky..
Can yall just react to the original Green beret movie from 1969 that inspired me.
LFG! The original Red Dawn! The best part of the original is that they were using real pre ban AKs shooting blanks of course.
ah nice!
Filmed in Las Vegas, NM off of I-25. Friends and I worked this out in 1979 at Northern Arizona U. Guerillas don't take prisoners.
The brothers played football, but I think Aardvark was the star baseball pitcher for the high school. Pitching those grenades.
dudes you cut the best part when the kid holds up his AK and screams WOLVERINES !!
Nothing beats original equipment 🍻🍻🍻
agreed
I died at "go get some bolt cutters"
Man I had forgotten how awesome the first *Red Dawn* was!, and I'm not even Amurkan(so I don't have that *"Fuck Yeah!"* feeling, it is just an objectively good flick!
Lol@ your *SERE* School moment Buck!,
3 days into starving, *EVERYTHING* tastes AMAZING! nice one Lads!
im surprised you guys didnt react to the other part of the planing the kids dont understand any of the tactics of the plan he's saying and him getting pissed about it
Now for the comparison of the two!!
on the way!
These dudes never watched the original film until now!
un-American!!!
@@FNGACADEMY I remember a teacher in high school who said this wasn't a movie but instead a training video but then again that same teacher would probably be swallowing the pro-Putin BS we see today.
The Big Red One, Lee Marvin tells Mark Hamil: " We don't Murder, We Kill".
Man the scene where swazey is crying the director told him to pretend he was talking to his then recently dead mother. Thus why he was crying so hard and so realistic
If Jed was a uniformed soldier he should have captured that guy. But he wasn’t
That speech is amazing