@@josephohara2457 This Duncan was the original. Paul's son becomes "The God Emperor" after Paul's death and clone's so many Duncan Idaho's that I don't even know if there's a total number ever given. Thousands presumably as multiple clones were alive at once and Paul's son ruled for over 3000 years.
I like how after him killing so many Sardakaur, they still had this look on their faces like they were in control of the situation the whole time. lol Goes to show how fearless they are.
Yep. In the Dune book, even when slaughtered by Fremen in an ambush, the few remaining Sardaukar just re-group and keep fighting to the death. Love this universe.
@@ASummersetproduction Could just be another dude who got his helmet knocked off but hey I can’t tell you you’re right or wrong soo why not lol using your imagination 🤝 watching a good movie
The moment after Duncan is killed, the shot snaps to a seemingly endless corridor streamed with lights trailing off into oblivion, foreshadowing the endless lives that Duncan will live after being replicated by the Tleilaxu….or at least that’s how I interpreted it. Amazing stuff.
That’s actually pretty cool to remember; wonder if they’ll stick to this for the franchise as a whole or in whatever form of the Dune media such as the MMO and whatnot
I've read that Villeneuve only agreed to take the job as long as there was budget to make several movies, properly. Apparently he was a bit wary of the shoestring budgets that forced other Dune adaptations to use huge exposition-dumps or skip over large parts of the lore. That limited their audience to people who already read the books and severely limited the succes.
@@nvelsen1975 Villeneuve took the job knowing that he might have no budget for the second movie. If the first had not been successful enough, there would have been no second movie, that was publically stated by the producers and confirmed by Villeneuve. That was risky and stressful. Fortunately the first did well enough.
@@Youcancallmeishmaell I can’t see Messiah being made without changes to add in more action honestly. Messiah doesn’t have alot going on action wise compared to the first and continuing books. It’s still a great book but I fear it will be subject to the same treatment BR2049 got if not worse due to general audiences not being interested. That’s kind of the issue with adapting books like these as you need to really spice them up to keep the average movie goer engaged
You have to appreciate the unmitigated gall of the sardaukar to just openly use lasers on people that 100% have personal shielding. They dont care if there's a cataclysmic nuclear explosion as a result, because then they end up killing the target anyway, mission accomplished. That, and now their target is forced to evade them. Not an army you play chicken with.
This made me think: why haven't the houses collectively wiped out the Sardaukar? From what I understand (sorry if I'm way off, I haven't read the books): The shape of the society in Dune makes it so that the feudal system of the great houses can only continue to maintain their power and wealth if there are rules they follow and taboos they refuse to break. I'm guessing "not using lasers and causing potential nuclear explosions' is one of them. This is why, I think, everyone chooses to fight with honour rather than simply sending a 'suicide bomber' type soldier to sacrifice himself by shooting lasers at his own shield or at the enemy's, sending the entire place up into the stratosphere. As you quite clearly stated, the Sardaukar are not above such methods... so why haven't the great houses leagued against them? I can't see the emperor defending them since it would essentially be a double standard. "If they get to use lasers like that, then why can't everyone else?"
@@Nick-78 I know. Read the last sentence of my comment. If the person in power wants to stay in power, they have to keep the high/ruling class on their side. This is exactly what led to the creation of the Magna Carta in 1215 England.
@@CosmicTeapot the answer is the great houses aren't confident in their ability to beat the sardukaar i mean Atriedes had the second best army and it got annhilated what the great houses have is numbers. Meanshile the emporer isnt confident his army of sardukaar can beat the great houses combined so he limits himself
Haha yeah 35 Sardaukar get bitch slapped by a grandfather and a couple friends. The helmets actually come off a couple times in the movie, it seems to be intentional. Duncan hits a couple.
I mean, lady Jessica herself could've been a force here b/c of the "voice" and her fighting. And Paul while untested is a godly fighter, even while so young.
All it takes is one Sardaukar with ear plugs to render the Voice useless, plus Jessica has to tune it to each person. Those suits could delay her long enough that the Sardaukar could stun her. Similarly, Paul is good, but Paul would have to be good against all the Sardaukar, while the Sardaukar only have to be good once. Further, without shields, Jessica and Paul are very vulnerable to Sardaukar in hand-to-hand combat. Finally, Duncan had an advantage that everyone in reach was an enemy and he could kill them freely. If Paul and Jessica were present, Duncan would have to be a little more careful with his strikes, plus Paul could get in Duncan's way.
Paul is a great fighter, but the movie doesn't really do justice to Duncan's character. He's literally a legendary fighter. Might even be the best in the galaxy or one of the best. Still he died to numbers and the quality that comes with the Sardaukar(in the movie you barely get to see their superiority, but they're only second to the Fremen really. Even the Atreides army is only 'comparable' to them.) This scene actually gives you an idea. The Sardaukar aren't fodder. Even though the Fremen are superior and are in a home advantage, they lose since they're outnumbered. In a fair fight, the Fremen would win, but the difference isnt that which is between elite fighters and canon fodder, it's the difference between elite and 'eliter'. So if the whole group had gone to battle with the Sardaukar while the latter's backup was nearby, it would have most likely resulted in a defeat.
She can't use the voice immediately after meeting a new person - she has to read their personality first. Pick up correct tones and inflections. Then she can use the voice. A group of Sardaukar will just cut her down before any of that. Voice isn't really a combat tool.
@@hughbarton5743 Actually Duncan is from Giedi Prime, home world of the vile Harkonnen’s. He escaped as a child and was taken in by House Atriedes and Pauls Grandfather Duke Paulos Atriedes!
He had a choke point. A viking did more on a bridge against the English. He finally was killed because the English went under the bridge and killed him from behind. Despite all this, the Vikings lost. The tale of the 300 spartans also come in mind, but the movie was inaccurate. There was 300 spartans, but there were far more other greeks in the battle.
@@slewone4905 there were actually more than 300 spartans initially. but Leonidas stood as rearguard while the main greek army retreated with his 300 guard and a few thousand other greeks. The main spartan army was around 4-5000 strong
One thing that we do not get here is that during this battle to wipe out the Atreides the Sardaukar lost quite a few soldiers to the Fremen and wanted to hunt them down but the Emperor said no. Which allowed Paul and Jessica to teach them the Weirding Way, thus they became even more deadly and when the Emperor returned to Dune his Sardaukar were no longer the best military.
Wrong. The Fremen were already better, it's openly stated in the book that the emperor has already lost thousands of Sardaukar trying to help the Harkonnens exterminate them. And Stilgar or some other Fremen comment that the Sardaukar "fight well" because they manage to kill a handful of Fremen while losing an entire unit.
The only real problem I have with this scene is that Duncan could've left with them and actively just threw away his life. In the novel Paul and Jessica open the door and see Duncan fighting off the saurdukar already with a fatal head wound. In the novel Duncan was dead on his feet and he knew it, so he was going to spend the last of his life buying time for the people he loved. Edit: although I guess this better hammers home the later scene where Paul sees a version of events where Duncan does survive, that's way more plausible in this series of events.
I actually like what you described more. It makes more sense to me to set up a scene where he CAN'T come with them. I still loved this movie though. I should definitely pick up the books.
Without the existence of Hotzman Shield like a Dune universe, then yes. There's a reason why in Dune universe everyone fighting using sword and knife than a gun. Because the existence of magnetic shield for every soldier just make any fast projectile weapon become obsolete and only slow object can by pass the Shield, that why short sword and knife become relevant again.
You saw that in the attack at Arrakeen when the ",bombs" slowly fell to penetrate the Shields of Atriedes ships on the ground. Yueh's betrayal was devastating and ruined the Suk Order for decades.
The book and movie explain that these energy shields can only by pierced by a slow strike, and in the movie we see that demonstrated a little bit in the Paul/Gurney training scene. Otherwise it just looks like people swordfighting. Duncan’s strikes here don’t exactly look slow.
You geniuses do realize “slow” just means slower than a bullet, right? That’s why they can deflect projectiles. Swords can be fast while not ever as fast as a bullet. Geez
@@justareader____ Of course it's slower than a bullet. But we see plenty of times when guys hit each other and the shield deflects it (blue), and the does exactly the same looking attack at someone else and it penetrates (red). Just generic swashbuckling. In other places we do see explicitly slow attacks to breach shields (ex: the Harkonnen slow bombs)
@@RIP_Greedo that is actually fair. They show a different fighting style in the training sequence with the shields. Then they kinda ditch it for the rest of the movie so I do see where you’re coming from with your original comment. If I could make one fix, I would have them specify that to slow the blade down, it’s a subtle thing, like a flick of the wrist at the last second. That way they don’t have to worry about the confusion on screen.0
@@StanislavNazarov-f3z i know but i just wished that for the movie, in other scenes (the attack on the city) it had been explained somehow more but whatever
This kind of reminds me of the glowing elven-made swords (Glamdring, Sting...) in Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings. They were supossed to glow whenever there were orcs in the sorroundings... but many times they didn't.
At 1:34 or 1:35 when Duncan screams Sardukar the Fremen looks towards him for a second before getting stabbed. In that exact second he was actually going to kill the other Sardukar or was set up to do so. Just a little interesting thing I noticed, not something I would think a trained fighter would do but still a mistake either way on the fremens part.
I count roughly 40 Sardukar. If you assume that each puff of sand is one Fremen, and exclude the men Duncan killed, they traded nearly 3:1 against the best trained warriors in the Empire.
The purpose of this scene though was to display the loyalty and respect House Atriedes commands to the Fremen who also value the same beliefs. Both will die for honour and what they believe in.
It just occurred to me that shields never being used in the desert because it drives the sandworms into a frenzy isn't explained in this film. The Fremen never use shields, so have no concept of shield-fighting. The Sardaukar are using shields, so how are the Fremen able to kick ass against them?
In the books, Paul teaches the Fremen the 'Wierding Way' which is basically bene-gesserit nerve and muscle training applied to combat. But that would be in part two in terms of the films. Even without that though the Fremen were possibly the equals of the Sarduakar. The idea from the books is that basically both the Sardukar and the Fremen were from 'hell worlds' which allowed only the toughest to survive - the Sarduakar are trained on Salsa Secundus, one of the Emperor's prison planets. Whereas the Fremen were hardened by the rigours of survival of dune.
The amount of people that think this is clever when they just clearly have A) not read the novel and B) missed the explanation given in the movie about the shields is astounding.
I just want to point out for people that haven't read the books, Duncan was originally a bit of a drunken mess. He did save Paul and his mother but he wasn't as honorable as he was depicted in the movie.
Kynes, you should have gone with Paul...then you would have lived...captured some Sardaukar with the Fremen...the Landsraad would have erupted into civil war with the Emperor...and we would have no story.
Considering how few Sardakaurs were left, with the help of Paul, Ducan would have dealt with them? :) But I guess there would have been more on the way...
@@lufasumafalu5069 What Son of Jack said is the correct explanation from the book. In the books, nobody would use a lasgun against a shield, regardless of anything in the films.
I really hope the bring in the Weirding modules in the second part. And Duncan *better* have survived! Honestly, they could do a whole miniseries just on him, from his escape on Geidi Prime, to his training with the swordmasters of Ginaz, to him entering Paul's service at the start of this story.
You know the Weirding modules was a thing for the lynch movie? They didnt want to choreograph melee fight scenes "because then it would look like a lame kung fu movie"(Some idiot producer) The Weirding Way is Bene Gesserit level martial arts achieved with total body control. Thats what made the Atreides Imperial Legions invincible in battle.
@@tokukeitaro as long as they bring Duncan back somehow. I was *so mad* with the first one! They could do a lot with Ginaz. All sorts of action-packed, even without specifically linking it to Paul or Dune (other than having to acknowledge they're in the same universe).
I have a question for the ones who have read the series...first is Lady Jessica a better fighter than Duncan and if so does Duncan know what she is capable of?
Hard to say who is better, but Duncan does know as the fighting capabilties of Bene Gesserits are well known. At the same time Duncan is a swordmaster, but the use of the 'voice' would be a turning factor if possible during the fight.
@@Blinkncali21 not really. The voice has been shown to not always work on strong minded people. Although in the books it’s shown Jessica holds back the voices real power when she essentially scares the shit out of Thufir. It would come down to how easily Duncan could be manipulated by it
The Bene Gesserit is a secret order, so they do not reveal their capabilities to uninitiated public in general. On the other hand, Duncan Idaho is a well-known swordmaster in charge of training the Atraide's army. In a sword duel with no tricks allowed, Duncan would beat Lady Jessica.
@@394qwer “no tricks allowed” to be fair the essence of shield fighting is based off feints and tricks to confuse the opponent and leave an opening for a slow blade.
When the Sardaukar come, there are about 40 of them. There were 6 or so Fremen sitting there making coffee when the older one hears the Sardaukar coming, something that even the Atreides could not do. When the Sardaukar reach Duncan, there are only 16 left.
I was always frustrated by this part of the story as a kid reading it. Paul absolutely could have saved Duncan here. He's untested at this point but we later find out that he's basically invincible in a fight, between his mentat training, swordmaster training, and the weirding way.
At this point in the story, Paul dies if he fights them, because he has not yet come into an understanding of his strengths, nor has he trained them enough.
@@darrenjpeters He goes from this to almost effortlessly killing Jamis who is a better fighter than a Sardukar and isn't wearing a shield. Paul has trained specifically to fight opponents like the Sardukar his entire life and nothing happens in between their escape here and his fight with Jamis that could have expanded his fighting skills.
@@Skenderbeuismyhero How do you deduce that Jamis is a better fighter than a Sarduakar? He doesn't fight one at any point in the story. Proof is in the pudding, or it doesn't exist.
@@darrenjpeters Jamis is a Fremen. Fremen are one of the few warriors in the imperium considered superior to the Sardaukar. "They fight like demons". Not all Fremen are equal, you say? Well Jamis is described as a good fighter. So I'm guessing that a Fremen fighter adjudged good by Fremen standards is considered superior to a Sardaukar if the above is indeed correct.
@@ротатоаск Most salient point from your last post "I'm guessing". Fremen BECOME considered to be superior to Sarduakar AFTER learning the weirding way from Jessica, and starting to use shields. At this point in the story, they are not considered so by many. Just to put things into perspective for you, I've been a Ron Herbert fan for many years, and have read the whole Dune series multiple times. Regardless of this side discussion, which is pointless, the OP's point about Paul saving Duncan is just wrong here, which is the point that I took issue with.
Because of shields. This is the ancient future. Humanity has gone far, yet it is much the same, even regressed. It's feudal, imperial, slaving, bloody, and cruel. From the top to the bottom, the Landsraad to the knife, the metaphor stands: We went backwards.
It wasn't done too well, but the Paul-Gurney practise fight expositioned that shields stop any rapidly-moving objects, such as bullets, or long blades swung at their reach.
They do use ranged weapons like lasguns and even ballistic weaponry, however most are rendered obsolete due to the shields. The exception is the lasgun which is super effective against shields but isn't used because a lasgun hitting a shield sets off an explosive reaction somewhere in the ballpark of a nuclear detonation.
I understand the concessions the filmmaker has to make when adapting a book but I just wish they'd refrained from using lasers. This is like toying and throwing around armed tactical nukes when they contact a shield... Which is not commonplace among fremen, but 1st the Sardaukar has no info about it 2nd the Atreides DO use them
Duncan's death in the book was better. Sardaukar fucking around with lasers and Duncan be like: "Oh yeah? You wanna play games? How about I connect my personal shield and we all go to hell?"
That's not how he dies. This scene is exactly how he dies. You have completely misremembered. In the book he hides shields in the desert and the Harkonnens hit it. He's nowhere near it and all that happens is a Harkonnen search party and the surrounding area is annihilated. The movie glossed over this because it is an inconsequential moment and would be clunky world building that requires pointless exposition. Shields and lasers is never relevant to the core story. The book worldbuilds with such fun trivia, but a film has no time for it.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 the Shield's and lasers are very important to the story humans would be robot slaves if not for the interaction between shields and lasers in fact it might be one of the important things in all of dune
@@MrSporkdude Is it relevant to the butlerian Jihaad? I'm not aware of such a connection, do tell me. Given that it is, then yes, technically it is important. But that's similar to saying the person who did the first act of violence in the jihad is also very important to the story and therefore we must learn of them. No. An adaptation has no obligation to this insignificant factoid. The essence of the story in the book Dune does not require that person, nor the technicalities of the interaction of some of the technologies. The basic mechanics of shield combat, fast and slow, are necessary. An adaptation simply must have something that explains this otherwise multiple aspects of the story lose a significant element. Paul's fights, the way the Sardaukar are disadvantaged on Arrakis, the way the Fremen are advantaged, the clash of cultures etc. However the mechanics of shields and lasers never directly affects the core story. Them blowing up in the desert once is not a big point. It's something that barely affects anything.
@@MrSporkdude They set that up during the fight training scene with Paul and Gurney. But they did avoid huge exposition-dumps of information, which were a problem for previous Dune adaptations. Villeneuve is clearly going for a version that you can watch without reading all the books first, and he's right. As much as that leaves a few plotholes like why the doctor Yue with the funny mark on his forehead (Suk doctor) would be regarded as beyond any suspicion, and why his betrayal is so significant, and why the guilt of that leads him to arm Leto Atreides with one last act of defiance. Then again, the only way to set that up would be to do a big exposition-dump with one character (who would already know) explaining to another (who'd also already know) why the Suk doctors are absolutely loyal. Which from an in-world perspective would make as little sense. They did an excellent job on this movie.
This made no sense to me. He would have been more useful escaping with them. Couldn't the lady have used her "voice" to assist at least? Not to mention who is fighting with blades with all the other tech they have? No one. They'd all have rifles of some kind.
You need to pick the right tone of voice for each person, so Jessica just couldn't use her voice on all of them. And about the rifles, did you even watch the movie? Their shields deflect bullets but cannot deflect the "slow blade"
the sheer amount of ppl who dont undrstand how killing that many sadukar alone was insane ... is staggering ... go do some research on the sadkar and you will see ... also the fremen are badass as hell .. remeber the older fremen outside there was what 3 of them ?? ... and they killed a good few sadukar as well ... the fremen and sadukar are a lot alike until paul gets done with the fremen
@@MrSporkdude I mean, he's a Universally (literally, famous throughout the known universe) famous Swordmaster of one of the finest armies the Landsraad has ever seen. Him being able to kill over a dozen of the Emperor's Blades on his own, they whom the mere threat of their presence in your area of space would end any disagreement or brewing conflict.
One thing I can't figure out is, weren't Paul and Jessica supposed to be spared, and simply exiled to the desert? Why the Hell were the Sardaukar hunting them when the Reverend Mother, the Emperor's Truth Sayer, specifically declared them to be under the protection of the Bene Gesserit?
Tech advances, and one of the advancements is the personal shields you saw. The shields are set up so fast items are stopped by the shield, but slow items can pass through. So pistols, rifles, etc get stopped by the shield, but a relatively slow blade can penetrate. Of course, you get into the fun details: - how much energy can a shield stop per hit (i.e. a shield can stop a pistol hit, but can it stop a 16" shell?) - what the recharge rate of the shield is (can firing enough bullets drain the shield temporarily?) - how much energy is stored in the projector (how many bullets total can it stop before the shield's power pack is drained) - does the shield sink the energy, or does the momentum transfer through (i.e. if I fire a bullet that would normally knock a person over will they get knocked back due to the momentum of the bullet transferring to the shield, will the shield generator rip itself off their body as it was just lightly fastened in place, or will the shield generator provide enough energy to completely stop the bullet and not transfer the momentum) These options mean you can have a nice variety of shield generators: - 'bodyguard' model - capable of stopping basic shots up to ~1 kiloJoule each, up to 10 per second (aka immune to 22 caliber pistol-fired bullets, but an assault rifle can punch through) - 'military' model - capable of stopping shots up to ~3 kiloJoules each, up to 20 per second (immune to assault rifles, but vulnerable to sniper riffles like the 30-06 and heavier) - 'royal' model - capable of stopping shots of 25 kiloJoules, up to 5 per second (immune to a 50-cal rifle) From those options, you can have different sized battery packs reflecting how long they can be in operation, plus higher quality shield generators would be lighter for the same protection (a basic version might mass 5 kg, a fancy version might mass 2 kg or less, plus have the House crest on it with platinum and opal detailing).
In Dune universe, after seen the destructive power of artificial intelligence and machines, mankind has turned back to the roots of spirituality, morality, philosophy and human skills.
Hey I just wanted to ask could Lady Jessica, Paul and Duncan together have fought off the sardukar? And if so why didn't they? Note:I haven't read any of the books so please dont spoil anything past the movie.
they are just too many saurdakar and they would be risking the lady's and Paul's life. Then again, if they were captured maybe the story didn't change. Remember the scene where the mother priest tells the harkonnen to not hurt them? and the baron just let's them die in the desert. if he captured them he probably would have banished them there too. Either way, it seems the desert was their destiny
In the books, Duncan is already as good as dead when Jessica and Paul become aware of the fight, so them joining the fight would have been pointless. They try to shift things around a bit for some dramatic tension, but it tends to fall flat because it appears far more like Paul wasting Duncan's sacrifice.
@@oldi184 I think Herbert (the author) wanted a universe where a ‘space emperor’ could exist. He needed high-skill weapons like swords or the like, rather than low-skill weapons like guns. And so he made shields. These electronic shields protect people or even vessels. To allow the person to breathe, he made them slightly permeable to atmosphere by a neat concept; slow moving objects can penetrate the shields and fast moving objects can not. So a wildly swinging sword blade will not pierce the shield but a slow steady pressure will. A bullet, traveling on momentum and not under thrust will not penetrate the shield while a slow moving drone can make it through. Then Herbert made lasers and shields have catastrophic failures when in contact with each other. I think the shield, but perhaps also the laser or device explodes with nuclear force. I don’t know if this is perfect, but it solved his problems and allowed him to have a futuristic setting with archaic rules. Hope this helps 👍
Honestly, I really wanted to LOVE this movie, and I did not. Visually it was great, but that soundtrack was so jarring in the movie theater, my bones still have hairline fractures in them.
La de ahora es pobre en comparación con la de 1984 ...es como comparar un cuadro de Daly con una mamarracho de manchas de arte moderno " ...la actual es una pálida representacion en donde los efectos son todo gracias a la computación del cgi...encambio antes los efectos eran artesanales llenos de delicadeza y detalles con escenografías reales q llevaban tiempo y sacrificio...antes los efectos sí eran a pulmón con maquetas mientras q ahora es todo fácil gracias al cgi....nosé como la gente no aprecia la calidad de fotografía de las películas ochenteras ...de los colores vividos y escenografías reales sin cgi q transportan a otro mundo realmente mientras q ahora las escenas son grises osea pobres en colores como los autos grises q sacan en serie las fábricas automotores cuyos diseños son horribles ...todo lo de los ochenta es mejor ...nadie sabe apreciar eso ...es como la gente q oye reguetón y no entiende ni aprecia la música de los ochenta ...gente zombie sin capacidad para apreciar nada ni comparar nada osea sin sentido de la estética ni valoración o valores de nada ....q epoca más patética la de este Kaly yuga
They fight with little swords but have a "tool" to open locked doors that seems to be 1000 times more powerful and dangerous than their stupid little swords..
not only war has become much more archaic, ritual and ceremonial, the shields everyone possess prevent anything too fast to pass trought, so fire arms and explosives are mostly useless and so people use swords, daggers and spears they have the technology to create laser weapons, but when a laser and a shield connect, they create a small nuclear explosion, killing everyone close by aslo the use of nuclear weapons if forbidden against any human ennemy
In the books (and movie) the lasgun shield interaction creates an explosion. The Shield tech is what has emphasized old style skills with a blade and limited the use of projectile (or otherwise range weapons). Lasguns are essentially tools more so than actual weapons. For basically tearing things apart because in a shielded battle they hold little value unless you are willing to take a one way trip essentially.
@@meodreadgaming4084 OK, then Paul just had to activate his shield and the "atomic" explosion would have killed all the enemies on the other side of the door..
I watched the movie and thought it was alright but it is so bad compared to the books now that I've caught up on them. The difference really is night and day..
It is exhausting to carry around a sword. Personal shields changed the nature of warfare in Dune. Combat got close up, and a short blade is what you could carry, and what worked. With shielding in the mix you do not want a big blade that is swung with force because a shield negates it, you want a blade you can control, that you can use in the close quarters fighting that the world became. Knives, daggers, and short blades became the tools to break shielding because it negated damn near everything else. Anything shot fast enough to kill would be entirely negated by shielding, and as far as energy weapons went.... there is a very good reason those were never fired into shield generators; the feedback loop would cause a chain reaction that started an uncontrolled fission reaction. 50/50 on which end of the shot got the feedback. No one flips that coin unless they are suicidal.
That's mostly true but in Dune it makes perfect sense. Everything fast enough is stoped by shields. It's a game changer. Bulets and projectiles, explosions, pressure waves all of it is now useless. Even long swords are useless as its tip moves simply to fast to penetrate the shield. You need something short, controllable and not easily predictable - daggers and short swords do this job. Yet you still see darts in use, bombs slowing before shield or rockets in use.
It's a metaphor. Humanity looks like it went forwards, but really it regressed. It's feudal, it's cruel, it's bloody. So Dukes, Emperors, slaves, and knives and shields.
It's a metaphor. Humanity looks like it went forwards, but really it regressed. It's feudal, it's cruel, it's bloody. So Dukes, Emperors, slaves, and knives and shields.
I hat thoes kinds of fight scenes... Build up, faceoff and then jumpcut jumpcut ZOOM ON FACE jumpcut jumpcut aaaaand somebodies dead... no clue who just hit who but yeah I saw swords getting swung and hitting something but here are some more jumpcuts jumpcuts ANOTHER ZOOM more jumpcuts... again no clue what just happened or who got hit... oh Ducan is dead on the ground. Guess he just lost. Thanks movie. --_--! What ever happened to filming an entire fight scene from one widescreen angle and actually showing us the fight scene? Terrible way to film fight scenes.
It feels very cool. They have a culture that is purely military, their language would evolve to be fast and precise, to convey maximum informations in the smallest amount of time. They designed the language by taking English and removing all vowel sounds.
@@Playwithdeutschland well the flip side is, you know that staying, when all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail? This kind of language would only be able to formulate violent solutions to problems. So only "good" if you're a fascist I guess...
It never ceases to gladden me how they finally got Duncan's death right with the book. But I will admit I was content enough with the 1984 version. The basics were there - he died fighting and slaying Sardaukar in defence of Paul and Jessica. And considering how much of Lynch's movie was chopped up, for all we know Lynch did it perfectly accurate and the dumbass producers just squished its footage in with the Harkonnen Ambush sequence.
Yeah... Lynch's movie was supposed to be 3 movies. A shame we didn't get those... Not to mention producers forced changes even on the one movie that was released: e.g. Lynch's movie had by the book ending, yet producers forced him to make a different one. You can see original ending in "removed scenes".
I think the thing that the 80's film got right was the randomness of it. If you recall in the book, they were ambushed. Duncan didn't decide to make a last stand, it just happened. If given the choice, Duncan definitely would have ran out the back and escaped with Paul, as he felt he was the best bet Paul had at surviving.
@@kwasiaddae4646 True, but Duncan still managed to kill 19 in a sword fight, not counting the ones he tricked into blowing themselves up with a hidden shield. He made his last stand either way, and I think that's a good thing he put up a fight. What the miniseries did though, was pretty discourteous to say the least. It was like someone went out of his way to pretend he's better than the author himself.
@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 Yea with the miniseries, its a mixed bag. Some things they did pretty well, and others they completely smoked. And yes agreed, Duncan's action were bad ass without a doubt, but the new film sort of played up the intentional sacrifice thing, where in the old film I feel it better reflected the idea that his loyalty was beyond conscious thought. It was just in him to throw himself into battle, even against the feared Saudakar
i am new to Dune, but i loving the amazing cinematics, nice laser cuter, i love how they made the beam quite thin and visible through the dust particles. big problem i find when they make them thick and visible
@@alvinnugraha5264 Remember that Paul is still basically a boy here. He's like Jon Snow before he became Lord Commander. He's been raised with the Atreides code of honor. He's literally trained to try and save any of his men he can. He hasn't suffered real loss yet, since he hasn't processed the death of his father yet. He's angry, and hasn't yet comprehended the sadness, which hides the fear. Fear that his destiny is spiraling out of his control. The real trap is: their society never left him any choice at all. His own training and cultural inoculation has from birth, made going "renegade" to Tupile, anathema to him.
SEVENTEEN SARDAUKAR. One man, in his final battle, alone, killed seventeen Sardaukar. By virtue of that feat of arms, the name of Duncan Idaho will live on for centuries... in more ways than one.
The soundtrack for this scene combined with the sorta salute Duncan does to let him say like "hey I salute you my king," and then locking the door was just beautiful! I enjoy monarchy movies because the people who protect the kings are 50/50 traitors/loyal badass warriors & the men who follow their oath to protect the king until death are most of the time straight savages!
I appreciated that she ultimately decided to agree to Paul's plan at least to the extent that she agreed to report the betrayal. Even if she didn't succeed.
Cool scene but, the whole complexity to shield combat was ignored here, Duncan is hitting those guys quickly and killing them, it is a little annoying because it ruins the immersion for me. Not to mind the lack of realistic blood when people are getting butchered with swords.
That freman killed that Sardaukar with style. He took two on with shield while he had none. I’m sure with more training they’ll be just as good or even better that the sardaukar.
@@glennwatson3313 In fact the Fremen actually captured a few Sardaukar in a later skirmish, which was almost unheard of. In another, Fremen "women and old men" force a squad of Sardaukar to retreat against heavy losses.
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Literally the only character that makes it through the entire Dune saga
By being cloned countlesss times 😂😂😂
@@grimgoreironhide9985he’s a clone?
@@josephohara2457 This Duncan was the original. Paul's son becomes "The God Emperor" after Paul's death and clone's so many Duncan Idaho's that I don't even know if there's a total number ever given. Thousands presumably as multiple clones were alive at once and Paul's son ruled for over 3000 years.
@@WhataBurger4Life The more I learn about the universe of Dune, the more I realise how unsubtle Warhammer 40,000 has been in copying it 😂
I've watched this more times than Duncan had lives
Not even close.
this guy hasn't read God Emperor :)
@@BloodIncantationTab darn, you made me watch I again. Btw, am reading the prequels now.
@@colincarr2052 That’s the Spirit.
Jason Momoa has this look...
I like how after him killing so many Sardakaur, they still had this look on their faces like they were in control of the situation the whole time. lol Goes to show how fearless they are.
Yep. In the Dune book, even when slaughtered by Fremen in an ambush, the few remaining Sardaukar just re-group and keep fighting to the death. Love this universe.
Meanwhile, Harkonnen soldiers retreated without second thought after some of them died by Duncan’s blade
That is why those Harkonnen dogs will go to hell!
0:37 bottom right, guy went through so many years of Sardukar training just to get decked by a Fremen like that lmao
I can't tell, but wicked continuity if it's the same guy at 3:24
@@ASummersetproduction Could just be another dude who got his helmet knocked off but hey I can’t tell you you’re right or wrong soo why not lol
using your imagination 🤝 watching a good movie
@ASummersetproduction No it's not, a couple of them had their helmets removed in the fighting.
The moment after Duncan is killed, the shot snaps to a seemingly endless corridor streamed with lights trailing off into oblivion, foreshadowing the endless lives that Duncan will live after being replicated by the Tleilaxu….or at least that’s how I interpreted it. Amazing stuff.
Fucking spoiler warning dickhead
Nice thanks for spoiling the movie you dumbfuck
he is the true kwisatz haderach
That’s actually pretty cool to remember; wonder if they’ll stick to this for the franchise as a whole or in whatever form of the Dune media such as the MMO and whatnot
I wonder why he's so special that the Tleilaxu replicates him over and over again?
duncan bought them just enough time to change the entire course of the universe with his last guttural gasp
You’re so ducking gay
Why are you gay
I hope Villeneuve gets to adapt Dune Messiah as well just so we can get Duncan back on screen.
If what I've heard is true...
The plan is Dune 1 in two parts.
Then Dune Messiah.
@@Youcancallmeishmaell yeah he wants to wait until chalamet is older. Can’t wait
I've read that Villeneuve only agreed to take the job as long as there was budget to make several movies, properly. Apparently he was a bit wary of the shoestring budgets that forced other Dune adaptations to use huge exposition-dumps or skip over large parts of the lore.
That limited their audience to people who already read the books and severely limited the succes.
@@nvelsen1975 Villeneuve took the job knowing that he might have no budget for the second movie. If the first had not been successful enough, there would have been no second movie, that was publically stated by the producers and confirmed by Villeneuve. That was risky and stressful.
Fortunately the first did well enough.
@@Youcancallmeishmaell I can’t see Messiah being made without changes to add in more action honestly. Messiah doesn’t have alot going on action wise compared to the first and continuing books. It’s still a great book but I fear it will be subject to the same treatment BR2049 got if not worse due to general audiences not being interested. That’s kind of the issue with adapting books like these as you need to really spice them up to keep the average movie goer engaged
Duncan Idaho was an amazing character. Easily one of the greatest Sword Masters to have ever lived. His skill was immense.
Calm down Virgin
@@dmoney8602 My daughter is 15 there sport.
I could not actually care less about you or your fucking daughter.
That's Khal Drogo...Greatest warrior alive
No its aquaman@@aaronbenitez9501
You have to appreciate the unmitigated gall of the sardaukar to just openly use lasers on people that 100% have personal shielding. They dont care if there's a cataclysmic nuclear explosion as a result, because then they end up killing the target anyway, mission accomplished. That, and now their target is forced to evade them. Not an army you play chicken with.
The Sardaukar we're always arrogant bullies. They never acknowledged that Fremen bested them in the end.
This made me think: why haven't the houses collectively wiped out the Sardaukar? From what I understand (sorry if I'm way off, I haven't read the books): The shape of the society in Dune makes it so that the feudal system of the great houses can only continue to maintain their power and wealth if there are rules they follow and taboos they refuse to break. I'm guessing "not using lasers and causing potential nuclear explosions' is one of them. This is why, I think, everyone chooses to fight with honour rather than simply sending a 'suicide bomber' type soldier to sacrifice himself by shooting lasers at his own shield or at the enemy's, sending the entire place up into the stratosphere. As you quite clearly stated, the Sardaukar are not above such methods... so why haven't the great houses leagued against them? I can't see the emperor defending them since it would essentially be a double standard. "If they get to use lasers like that, then why can't everyone else?"
@@CosmicTeapot they are literally the Emperor’s elite soliders. His personal army.
@@Nick-78 I know. Read the last sentence of my comment. If the person in power wants to stay in power, they have to keep the high/ruling class on their side. This is exactly what led to the creation of the Magna Carta in 1215 England.
@@CosmicTeapot the answer is the great houses aren't confident in their ability to beat the sardukaar i mean Atriedes had the second best army and it got annhilated what the great houses have is numbers. Meanshile the emporer isnt confident his army of sardukaar can beat the great houses combined so he limits himself
Bottom right of the screen at 0:38 makes me laugh out loud every time I watch!
Haha yeah 35 Sardaukar get bitch slapped by a grandfather and a couple friends.
The helmets actually come off a couple times in the movie, it seems to be intentional. Duncan hits a couple.
I mean, lady Jessica herself could've been a force here b/c of the "voice" and her fighting. And Paul while untested is a godly fighter, even while so young.
All it takes is one Sardaukar with ear plugs to render the Voice useless, plus Jessica has to tune it to each person. Those suits could delay her long enough that the Sardaukar could stun her. Similarly, Paul is good, but Paul would have to be good against all the Sardaukar, while the Sardaukar only have to be good once. Further, without shields, Jessica and Paul are very vulnerable to Sardaukar in hand-to-hand combat.
Finally, Duncan had an advantage that everyone in reach was an enemy and he could kill them freely. If Paul and Jessica were present, Duncan would have to be a little more careful with his strikes, plus Paul could get in Duncan's way.
Paul is a great fighter, but the movie doesn't really do justice to Duncan's character. He's literally a legendary fighter. Might even be the best in the galaxy or one of the best. Still he died to numbers and the quality that comes with the Sardaukar(in the movie you barely get to see their superiority, but they're only second to the Fremen really. Even the Atreides army is only 'comparable' to them.) This scene actually gives you an idea. The Sardaukar aren't fodder. Even though the Fremen are superior and are in a home advantage, they lose since they're outnumbered. In a fair fight, the Fremen would win, but the difference isnt that which is between elite fighters and canon fodder, it's the difference between elite and 'eliter'. So if the whole group had gone to battle with the Sardaukar while the latter's backup was nearby, it would have most likely resulted in a defeat.
@@toddkes5890 agreed, the books pretty much solve any complaints or theories fans have. Everything happens as it is meant to.
She can't use the voice immediately after meeting a new person - she has to read their personality first. Pick up correct tones and inflections. Then she can use the voice. A group of Sardaukar will just cut her down before any of that. Voice isn't really a combat tool.
My man, these are the Sardaukar.
the sound effects of this movie is amazing
“Only in death - does duty end”
I see someone's a Warhammer fan.
Duncan’s stand…………….This is the Power of House Atriedes. Blessed be the Maker and his passing.
Calm down Virgin
@@dmoney8602 May you’re blade chip and shatter.
House Atredies, as we found out later, are lineal descendants of Agememnon. And Duncan is actually himself is actually Atredies
@@hughbarton5743 Actually Duncan is from Giedi Prime, home world of the vile Harkonnen’s. He escaped as a child and was taken in by House Atriedes and Pauls Grandfather Duke Paulos Atriedes!
The music in this scene and the whole movie in fact >>>>
Think I counted 7, maybe 8 Sardukar killed to one swordmaster
Edit: after a rewatch I am putting that number up to 10
Duncan killed 19 Sardukar before he died. it's explained in the third book :)
Mamoa was a great choice
He had a choke point. A viking did more on a bridge against the English. He finally was killed because the English went under the bridge and killed him from behind. Despite all this, the Vikings lost. The tale of the 300 spartans also come in mind, but the movie was inaccurate. There was 300 spartans, but there were far more other greeks in the battle.
@@slewone4905 there were actually more than 300 spartans initially. but Leonidas stood as rearguard while the main greek army retreated with his 300 guard and a few thousand other greeks. The main spartan army was around 4-5000 strong
Imagine if he could use Royalguard or Trickster, too.
they must have received one helluva a discount on all that motorcycle gear
Same dealer as all resident evil films 😅
One thing that we do not get here is that during this battle to wipe out the Atreides the Sardaukar lost quite a few soldiers to the Fremen and wanted to hunt them down but the Emperor said no. Which allowed Paul and Jessica to teach them the Weirding Way, thus they became even more deadly and when the Emperor returned to Dune his Sardaukar were no longer the best military.
Wrong. The Fremen were already better, it's openly stated in the book that the emperor has already lost thousands of Sardaukar trying to help the Harkonnens exterminate them. And Stilgar or some other Fremen comment that the Sardaukar "fight well" because they manage to kill a handful of Fremen while losing an entire unit.
1:40 "For you, my Duke."
The only real problem I have with this scene is that Duncan could've left with them and actively just threw away his life. In the novel Paul and Jessica open the door and see Duncan fighting off the saurdukar already with a fatal head wound. In the novel Duncan was dead on his feet and he knew it, so he was going to spend the last of his life buying time for the people he loved.
Edit: although I guess this better hammers home the later scene where Paul sees a version of events where Duncan does survive, that's way more plausible in this series of events.
I actually like what you described more. It makes more sense to me to set up a scene where he CAN'T come with them. I still loved this movie though. I should definitely pick up the books.
'Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.' - Han Solo
Without the existence of Hotzman Shield like a Dune universe, then yes. There's a reason why in Dune universe everyone fighting using sword and knife than a gun. Because the existence of magnetic shield for every soldier just make any fast projectile weapon become obsolete and only slow object can by pass the Shield, that why short sword and knife become relevant again.
You saw that in the attack at Arrakeen when the ",bombs" slowly fell to penetrate the Shields of Atriedes ships on the ground. Yueh's betrayal was devastating and ruined the Suk Order for decades.
"not with the existence of the shield" - Me
The book and movie explain that these energy shields can only by pierced by a slow strike, and in the movie we see that demonstrated a little bit in the Paul/Gurney training scene. Otherwise it just looks like people swordfighting. Duncan’s strikes here don’t exactly look slow.
You geniuses do realize “slow” just means slower than a bullet, right? That’s why they can deflect projectiles. Swords can be fast while not ever as fast as a bullet. Geez
@@justareader____ Of course it's slower than a bullet. But we see plenty of times when guys hit each other and the shield deflects it (blue), and the does exactly the same looking attack at someone else and it penetrates (red). Just generic swashbuckling. In other places we do see explicitly slow attacks to breach shields (ex: the Harkonnen slow bombs)
@@RIP_Greedo that is actually fair. They show a different fighting style in the training sequence with the shields. Then they kinda ditch it for the rest of the movie so I do see where you’re coming from with your original comment.
If I could make one fix, I would have them specify that to slow the blade down, it’s a subtle thing, like a flick of the wrist at the last second. That way they don’t have to worry about the confusion on screen.0
@@StanislavNazarov-f3z i know but i just wished that for the movie, in other scenes (the attack on the city) it had been explained somehow more but whatever
This kind of reminds me of the glowing elven-made swords (Glamdring, Sting...) in Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings. They were supossed to glow whenever there were orcs in the sorroundings... but many times they didn't.
Liet Kynes was the coolest character in the book, they could have made the whole story about him and I would not have minded.
And the end of book, Dune, there is a "appendix" that is a novella on how Liet Kynes first met and befriended the Fremen.
@@binder38us That's actually my favorite part of the book.
He was an amazing character in the books, not the movie. They just didn't give him enough time to matter.
At 1:34 or 1:35 when Duncan screams Sardukar the Fremen looks towards him for a second before getting stabbed. In that exact second he was actually going to kill the other Sardukar or was set up to do so. Just a little interesting thing I noticed, not something I would think a trained fighter would do but still a mistake either way on the fremens part.
It looks like he was just going for a follow up strike, but got stabbed before he could do it.
Every time I see a clip on me feed I think to myself, ah what the heck. Let's watch it again.
“Oooh Paul my Dove, your crank is as warm as toast”
Ohhhhhh Duncan the swordsman, was a worthy foe they say
But he yelled goodbye saying don't you cry
I'll be back aaaagaaaain some dayyyyyyy!!!
Loved Dune.....but there's nothing worse than waiting years for the SEQUEL!
Relax. It´s almost november 2023. When you get, will be release date.
"Cut off one head, two more shall take its place"
-Duncan Idaho
This was my first exposure ever to anything regarding Dune
What a fucking MVP goddamit
such a sublime and eerie movie.. i want to read the books, but im afraid I'll become obsessed and nothing will get done. 😂😂😂😂
Yea....all the books in the dune universe are important, but the early books are absolutely superb
@@hughbarton5743 got the first book!! can't wait to start.
Duncan was the real hero in Dune
I count roughly 40 Sardukar.
If you assume that each puff of sand is one Fremen, and exclude the men Duncan killed, they traded nearly 3:1 against the best trained warriors in the Empire.
"I'm gonna report this attack to the Landsraad"
Well, she didn't :)
Notice how the first guy Duncan kills is in a different position when the camera shows Duncan from the front?
The purpose of this scene though was to display the loyalty and respect House Atriedes commands to the Fremen who also value the same beliefs. Both will die for honour and what they believe in.
It just occurred to me that shields never being used in the desert because it drives the sandworms into a frenzy isn't explained in this film. The Fremen never use shields, so have no concept of shield-fighting. The Sardaukar are using shields, so how are the Fremen able to kick ass against them?
In the books, Paul teaches the Fremen the 'Wierding Way' which is basically bene-gesserit nerve and muscle training applied to combat. But that would be in part two in terms of the films. Even without that though the Fremen were possibly the equals of the Sarduakar. The idea from the books is that basically both the Sardukar and the Fremen were from 'hell worlds' which allowed only the toughest to survive - the Sarduakar are trained on Salsa Secundus, one of the Emperor's prison planets. Whereas the Fremen were hardened by the rigours of survival of dune.
@@aluskn Yes, I know all of that. What's that have to do with what I said? The Sardaukar are using shields, and the Fremen aren't.
they must some how re born duncan DNA
If they make it to Messiah...
It's the year 10191
We have anti-gravity devices, but we fight with swords
Blame the shields.
They have shields knives are one of the only choices. Plus guns are boring
The amount of people that think this is clever when they just clearly have A) not read the novel and B) missed the explanation given in the movie about the shields is astounding.
I just want to point out for people that haven't read the books, Duncan was originally a bit of a drunken mess. He did save Paul and his mother but he wasn't as honorable as he was depicted in the movie.
They also let Duncan get Paul's line about the spit and gift of water.
Kynes, you should have gone with Paul...then you would have lived...captured some Sardaukar with the Fremen...the Landsraad would have erupted into civil war with the Emperor...and we would have no story.
Considering how few Sardakaurs were left, with the help of Paul, Ducan would have dealt with them? :) But I guess there would have been more on the way...
Sardaukar can just shoot at duncan with their lasgun without spending so much soldier to die
He has a shield. Lasgun + shield = feedback as powerful as a nuclear explosion, it would've wiped out the whole facility and everything in it.
@@sonofjack6286 lies lol , the harkonnen ship tried to lasgun duncan's thoper all over arraken and they dont care if they hit any shield
@@lufasumafalu5069 What Son of Jack said is the correct explanation from the book. In the books, nobody would use a lasgun against a shield, regardless of anything in the films.
The sardaukar are so cool for some reason.
I really hope the bring in the Weirding modules in the second part. And Duncan *better* have survived! Honestly, they could do a whole miniseries just on him, from his escape on Geidi Prime, to his training with the swordmasters of Ginaz, to him entering Paul's service at the start of this story.
You know the Weirding modules was a thing for the lynch movie? They didnt want to choreograph melee fight scenes "because then it would look like a lame kung fu movie"(Some idiot producer)
The Weirding Way is Bene Gesserit level martial arts achieved with total body control. Thats what made the Atreides Imperial Legions invincible in battle.
@@tokukeitaro i did not know that! Thank you for the info!
@@subbywan1422 Your welcome. The Lynch movie has its moments, but some of the ideas were terrrible.
@@tokukeitaro as long as they bring Duncan back somehow. I was *so mad* with the first one! They could do a lot with Ginaz. All sorts of action-packed, even without specifically linking it to Paul or Dune (other than having to acknowledge they're in the same universe).
@@subbywan1422 He dies in the novel as well, but is later cloned (third novel or so) to bring back his fighting expertise.
I have a question for the ones who have read the series...first is Lady Jessica a better fighter than Duncan and if so does Duncan know what she is capable of?
Hard to say who is better, but Duncan does know as the fighting capabilties of Bene Gesserits are well known. At the same time Duncan is a swordmaster, but the use of the 'voice' would be a turning factor if possible during the fight.
@@manasdas3483 Thanks, so basically Duncan pulls out a sword and Jessica would just tell him to stab himself and it's over?
@@Blinkncali21 not really. The voice has been shown to not always work on strong minded people. Although in the books it’s shown Jessica holds back the voices real power when she essentially scares the shit out of Thufir. It would come down to how easily Duncan could be manipulated by it
The Bene Gesserit is a secret order, so they do not reveal their capabilities to uninitiated public in general. On the other hand, Duncan Idaho is a well-known swordmaster in charge of training the Atraide's army. In a sword duel with no tricks allowed, Duncan would beat Lady Jessica.
@@394qwer “no tricks allowed” to be fair the essence of shield fighting is based off feints and tricks to confuse the opponent and leave an opening for a slow blade.
When the Sardaukar come, there are about 40 of them. There were 6 or so Fremen sitting there making coffee when the older one hears the Sardaukar coming, something that even the Atreides could not do. When the Sardaukar reach Duncan, there are only 16 left.
And then there were only 3 remaining after Duncan's last stand. Amazing!
They traded nearly 3 to 1 in a straight fight with no shields.
The after action on the mission was probably "disconcerting" at best.
I was always frustrated by this part of the story as a kid reading it. Paul absolutely could have saved Duncan here. He's untested at this point but we later find out that he's basically invincible in a fight, between his mentat training, swordmaster training, and the weirding way.
At this point in the story, Paul dies if he fights them, because he has not yet come into an understanding of his strengths, nor has he trained them enough.
@@darrenjpeters He goes from this to almost effortlessly killing Jamis who is a better fighter than a Sardukar and isn't wearing a shield. Paul has trained specifically to fight opponents like the Sardukar his entire life and nothing happens in between their escape here and his fight with Jamis that could have expanded his fighting skills.
@@Skenderbeuismyhero How do you deduce that Jamis is a better fighter than a Sarduakar? He doesn't fight one at any point in the story. Proof is in the pudding, or it doesn't exist.
@@darrenjpeters Jamis is a Fremen. Fremen are one of the few warriors in the imperium considered superior to the Sardaukar. "They fight like demons".
Not all Fremen are equal, you say? Well Jamis is described as a good fighter. So I'm guessing that a Fremen fighter adjudged good by Fremen standards is considered superior to a Sardaukar if the above is indeed correct.
@@ротатоаск Most salient point from your last post "I'm guessing". Fremen BECOME considered to be superior to Sarduakar AFTER learning the weirding way from Jessica, and starting to use shields. At this point in the story, they are not considered so by many. Just to put things into perspective for you, I've been a Ron Herbert fan for many years, and have read the whole Dune series multiple times. Regardless of this side discussion, which is pointless, the OP's point about Paul saving Duncan is just wrong here, which is the point that I took issue with.
I really hope civilization lasts long enough to see all these.
with all those anti-gravity space-travel technology and they're fighting with knives
Because of shields. This is the ancient future. Humanity has gone far, yet it is much the same, even regressed.
It's feudal, imperial, slaving, bloody, and cruel. From the top to the bottom, the Landsraad to the knife, the metaphor stands: We went backwards.
It wasn't done too well, but the Paul-Gurney practise fight expositioned that shields stop any rapidly-moving objects, such as bullets, or long blades swung at their reach.
They do use ranged weapons like lasguns and even ballistic weaponry, however most are rendered obsolete due to the shields. The exception is the lasgun which is super effective against shields but isn't used because a lasgun hitting a shield sets off an explosive reaction somewhere in the ballpark of a nuclear detonation.
Why do people as stupid as you insist on commenting?
It’s was like a ballet
I understand the concessions the filmmaker has to make when adapting a book but I just wish they'd refrained from using lasers. This is like toying and throwing around armed tactical nukes when they contact a shield... Which is not commonplace among fremen, but
1st the Sardaukar has no info about it
2nd the Atreides DO use them
Duncan's death in the book was better. Sardaukar fucking around with lasers and Duncan be like: "Oh yeah? You wanna play games? How about I connect my personal shield and we all go to hell?"
That's not how he dies. This scene is exactly how he dies. You have completely misremembered. In the book he hides shields in the desert and the Harkonnens hit it. He's nowhere near it and all that happens is a Harkonnen search party and the surrounding area is annihilated.
The movie glossed over this because it is an inconsequential moment and would be clunky world building that requires pointless exposition. Shields and lasers is never relevant to the core story. The book worldbuilds with such fun trivia, but a film has no time for it.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 the Shield's and lasers are very important to the story humans would be robot slaves if not for the interaction between shields and lasers in fact it might be one of the important things in all of dune
@@MrSporkdude Is it relevant to the butlerian Jihaad? I'm not aware of such a connection, do tell me.
Given that it is, then yes, technically it is important. But that's similar to saying the person who did the first act of violence in the jihad is also very important to the story and therefore we must learn of them. No. An adaptation has no obligation to this insignificant factoid. The essence of the story in the book Dune does not require that person, nor the technicalities of the interaction of some of the technologies.
The basic mechanics of shield combat, fast and slow, are necessary. An adaptation simply must have something that explains this otherwise multiple aspects of the story lose a significant element. Paul's fights, the way the Sardaukar are disadvantaged on Arrakis, the way the Fremen are advantaged, the clash of cultures etc. However the mechanics of shields and lasers never directly affects the core story. Them blowing up in the desert once is not a big point. It's something that barely affects anything.
@@MrSporkdude
They set that up during the fight training scene with Paul and Gurney. But they did avoid huge exposition-dumps of information, which were a problem for previous Dune adaptations.
Villeneuve is clearly going for a version that you can watch without reading all the books first, and he's right.
As much as that leaves a few plotholes like why the doctor Yue with the funny mark on his forehead (Suk doctor) would be regarded as beyond any suspicion, and why his betrayal is so significant, and why the guilt of that leads him to arm Leto Atreides with one last act of defiance.
Then again, the only way to set that up would be to do a big exposition-dump with one character (who would already know) explaining to another (who'd also already know) why the Suk doctors are absolutely loyal. Which from an in-world perspective would make as little sense.
They did an excellent job on this movie.
This made no sense to me. He would have been more useful escaping with them. Couldn't the lady have used her "voice" to assist at least?
Not to mention who is fighting with blades with all the other tech they have? No one. They'd all have rifles of some kind.
You need to pick the right tone of voice for each person, so Jessica just couldn't use her voice on all of them. And about the rifles, did you even watch the movie? Their shields deflect bullets but cannot deflect the "slow blade"
the sheer amount of ppl who dont undrstand how killing that many sadukar alone was insane ... is staggering ... go do some research on the sadkar and you will see ... also the fremen are badass as hell .. remeber the older fremen outside there was what 3 of them ?? ... and they killed a good few sadukar as well ... the fremen and sadukar are a lot alike until paul gets done with the fremen
Every comment on this video is people simping for Duncan we get it bro he's awesome
@@MrSporkdude not read the books have you
@@MrSporkdude
I mean, he's a Universally (literally, famous throughout the known universe) famous Swordmaster of one of the finest armies the Landsraad has ever seen.
Him being able to kill over a dozen of the Emperor's Blades on his own, they whom the mere threat of their presence in your area of space would end any disagreement or brewing conflict.
RIP Drogo
There are lasers . And there are no machine guns. Strange!!!
bullets have too high velocity, they are useless agaisnt the shields.
Notice when Paul Atreides start punching the close door, there an echo or hallow chamber. Isn't supposed to be SOLID ROCK??
Why didn't they just lock the door and sneak out the back in the first place? 🤔
They thought they had more time to get ready. We saw Dr Kynes grabbing gear at 2:40
Great scene except one flaw. The 1st and last sardaukar we see up close is the same person. Really wish I didn't see that detail.
He was the leader, landed first and came down the hall last.
@@luc_xott No!
The 1st Sardaukar to enter the room with Duncan and the last to watch him die are the same person. Duncan killed him.
Why couldn't they just leave through that route before?
2:20 wonder what he says here
Was that 11 or 12 Sardaukar this single Ginaz Swordsmater took out? The Emperors finest, Pah! ;)
One thing I can't figure out is, weren't Paul and Jessica supposed to be spared, and simply exiled to the desert? Why the Hell were the Sardaukar hunting them when the Reverend Mother, the Emperor's Truth Sayer, specifically declared them to be under the protection of the Bene Gesserit?
Maybe they knew Duncan escaped and wanted him dead or were hunting for Liet Kynes?
I guess even the remotely fast blades pierce the shield too???
Where is the scene of Hawatt and his men working with the fremen and destroy sardaukar troop carrier by kamikaze thoper ??????
I’ve never understood why these advanced society’s fought with swords lol
Tech advances, and one of the advancements is the personal shields you saw. The shields are set up so fast items are stopped by the shield, but slow items can pass through. So pistols, rifles, etc get stopped by the shield, but a relatively slow blade can penetrate.
Of course, you get into the fun details:
- how much energy can a shield stop per hit (i.e. a shield can stop a pistol hit, but can it stop a 16" shell?)
- what the recharge rate of the shield is (can firing enough bullets drain the shield temporarily?)
- how much energy is stored in the projector (how many bullets total can it stop before the shield's power pack is drained)
- does the shield sink the energy, or does the momentum transfer through (i.e. if I fire a bullet that would normally knock a person over will they get knocked back due to the momentum of the bullet transferring to the shield, will the shield generator rip itself off their body as it was just lightly fastened in place, or will the shield generator provide enough energy to completely stop the bullet and not transfer the momentum)
These options mean you can have a nice variety of shield generators:
- 'bodyguard' model - capable of stopping basic shots up to ~1 kiloJoule each, up to 10 per second (aka immune to 22 caliber pistol-fired bullets, but an assault rifle can punch through)
- 'military' model - capable of stopping shots up to ~3 kiloJoules each, up to 20 per second (immune to assault rifles, but vulnerable to sniper riffles like the 30-06 and heavier)
- 'royal' model - capable of stopping shots of 25 kiloJoules, up to 5 per second (immune to a 50-cal rifle)
From those options, you can have different sized battery packs reflecting how long they can be in operation, plus higher quality shield generators would be lighter for the same protection (a basic version might mass 5 kg, a fancy version might mass 2 kg or less, plus have the House crest on it with platinum and opal detailing).
In Dune universe, after seen the destructive power of artificial intelligence and machines, mankind has turned back to the roots of spirituality, morality, philosophy and human skills.
Duncan is Benko
Hey I just wanted to ask could Lady Jessica, Paul and Duncan together have fought off the sardukar? And if so why didn't they? Note:I haven't read any of the books so please dont spoil anything past the movie.
they are just too many saurdakar and they would be risking the lady's and Paul's life.
Then again, if they were captured maybe the story didn't change.
Remember the scene where the mother priest tells the harkonnen to not hurt them? and the baron just let's them die in the desert.
if he captured them he probably would have banished them there too. Either way, it seems the desert was their destiny
In the books, Duncan is already as good as dead when Jessica and Paul become aware of the fight, so them joining the fight would have been pointless. They try to shift things around a bit for some dramatic tension, but it tends to fall flat because it appears far more like Paul wasting Duncan's sacrifice.
So they have anti-gravity technology and space ships but they are still using metal swords? 🤣🤣🤣
you could do a bit of research before posting a stupid comment
@@valentindumitru9336
Please explain.
@@oldi184 I think Herbert (the author) wanted a universe where a ‘space emperor’ could exist. He needed high-skill weapons like swords or the like, rather than low-skill weapons like guns.
And so he made shields. These electronic shields protect people or even vessels. To allow the person to breathe, he made them slightly permeable to atmosphere by a neat concept; slow moving objects can penetrate the shields and fast moving objects can not. So a wildly swinging sword blade will not pierce the shield but a slow steady pressure will. A bullet, traveling on momentum and not under thrust will not penetrate the shield while a slow moving drone can make it through.
Then Herbert made lasers and shields have catastrophic failures when in contact with each other. I think the shield, but perhaps also the laser or device explodes with nuclear force.
I don’t know if this is perfect, but it solved his problems and allowed him to have a futuristic setting with archaic rules. Hope this helps 👍
@@valentindumitru9336
Interesting. Thanks.
idiot
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Is there any reason why they dont use guns?
Yes, shields stop everything going fast.
Name of movie please
ACADEMY AWARD WINNING DUNE
Arrakis
@@westrim Desert planet.
Dune Sandstorm
Soul Man
shield effects are so lame compared to the 80's version
Honestly, I really wanted to LOVE this movie, and I did not. Visually it was great, but that soundtrack was so jarring in the movie theater, my bones still have hairline fractures in them.
overdone
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Let me guess Duncan died?
Yea he has a way of doing that
Yes and No.
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La de ahora es pobre en comparación con la de 1984 ...es como comparar un cuadro de Daly con una mamarracho de manchas de arte moderno " ...la actual es una pálida representacion en donde los efectos son todo gracias a la computación del cgi...encambio antes los efectos eran artesanales llenos de delicadeza y detalles con escenografías reales q llevaban tiempo y sacrificio...antes los efectos sí eran a pulmón con maquetas mientras q ahora es todo fácil gracias al cgi....nosé como la gente no aprecia la calidad de fotografía de las películas ochenteras ...de los colores vividos y escenografías reales sin cgi q transportan a otro mundo realmente mientras q ahora las escenas son grises osea pobres en colores como los autos grises q sacan en serie las fábricas automotores cuyos diseños son horribles ...todo lo de los ochenta es mejor ...nadie sabe apreciar eso ...es como la gente q oye reguetón y no entiende ni aprecia la música de los ochenta ...gente zombie sin capacidad para apreciar nada ni comparar nada osea sin sentido de la estética ni valoración o valores de nada ....q epoca más patética la de este Kaly yuga
They fight with little swords but have a "tool" to open locked doors that seems to be 1000 times more powerful and dangerous than their stupid little swords..
In the book the shields prevent things faster than air from moving through it. Therefore the laser wouldn’t pierce the shield
@@owendemetre9627 Also lasers hitting shields creates atomic explosions somewhere between the gun and the shield.
not only war has become much more archaic, ritual and ceremonial, the shields everyone possess prevent anything too fast to pass trought, so fire arms and explosives are mostly useless and so people use swords, daggers and spears
they have the technology to create laser weapons, but when a laser and a shield connect, they create a small nuclear explosion, killing everyone close by
aslo the use of nuclear weapons if forbidden against any human ennemy
In the books (and movie) the lasgun shield interaction creates an explosion. The Shield tech is what has emphasized old style skills with a blade and limited the use of projectile (or otherwise range weapons).
Lasguns are essentially tools more so than actual weapons. For basically tearing things apart because in a shielded battle they hold little value unless you are willing to take a one way trip essentially.
@@meodreadgaming4084 OK, then Paul just had to activate his shield and the "atomic" explosion would have killed all the enemies on the other side of the door..
I watched the movie and thought it was alright but it is so bad compared to the books now that I've caught up on them. The difference really is night and day..
I see that in the future (dune universe) there are no longer lefties or gingers. Evolution got something right 😄
Wow, really adds something that this character is a chick now!!!!! 🤯
these battles of a high-tech future on ridiculous short daggers are simply ridiculous ...
It is exhausting to carry around a sword. Personal shields changed the nature of warfare in Dune. Combat got close up, and a short blade is what you could carry, and what worked. With shielding in the mix you do not want a big blade that is swung with force because a shield negates it, you want a blade you can control, that you can use in the close quarters fighting that the world became. Knives, daggers, and short blades became the tools to break shielding because it negated damn near everything else.
Anything shot fast enough to kill would be entirely negated by shielding, and as far as energy weapons went.... there is a very good reason those were never fired into shield generators; the feedback loop would cause a chain reaction that started an uncontrolled fission reaction. 50/50 on which end of the shot got the feedback. No one flips that coin unless they are suicidal.
That's mostly true but in Dune it makes perfect sense. Everything fast enough is stoped by shields. It's a game changer. Bulets and projectiles, explosions, pressure waves all of it is now useless. Even long swords are useless as its tip moves simply to fast to penetrate the shield. You need something short, controllable and not easily predictable - daggers and short swords do this job. Yet you still see darts in use, bombs slowing before shield or rockets in use.
It's a metaphor. Humanity looks like it went forwards, but really it regressed. It's feudal, it's cruel, it's bloody. So Dukes, Emperors, slaves, and knives and shields.
It's a metaphor. Humanity looks like it went forwards, but really it regressed. It's feudal, it's cruel, it's bloody. So Dukes, Emperors, slaves, and knives and shields.
I hat thoes kinds of fight scenes... Build up, faceoff and then jumpcut jumpcut ZOOM ON FACE jumpcut jumpcut aaaaand somebodies dead... no clue who just hit who but yeah I saw swords getting swung and hitting something but here are some more jumpcuts jumpcuts ANOTHER ZOOM more jumpcuts... again no clue what just happened or who got hit... oh Ducan is dead on the ground. Guess he just lost. Thanks movie. --_--!
What ever happened to filming an entire fight scene from one widescreen angle and actually showing us the fight scene?
Terrible way to film fight scenes.
0:30 the barking really caught me off guard
Fk you now I cant unhear it LMFAOOOO fuk im dying
It feels very cool. They have a culture that is purely military, their language would evolve to be fast and precise, to convey maximum informations in the smallest amount of time. They designed the language by taking English and removing all vowel sounds.
Hey, if they're into doggy roleplay, let them have their kinks
Joseph Townsend if only we had this kind of language
@@Playwithdeutschland well the flip side is, you know that staying, when all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail? This kind of language would only be able to formulate violent solutions to problems. So only "good" if you're a fascist I guess...
It never ceases to gladden me how they finally got Duncan's death right with the book.
But I will admit I was content enough with the 1984 version. The basics were there - he died fighting and slaying Sardaukar in defence of Paul and Jessica.
And considering how much of Lynch's movie was chopped up, for all we know Lynch did it perfectly accurate and the dumbass producers just squished its footage in with the Harkonnen Ambush sequence.
Yeah... Lynch's movie was supposed to be 3 movies. A shame we didn't get those... Not to mention producers forced changes even on the one movie that was released: e.g. Lynch's movie had by the book ending, yet producers forced him to make a different one. You can see original ending in "removed scenes".
I think the thing that the 80's film got right was the randomness of it. If you recall in the book, they were ambushed. Duncan didn't decide to make a last stand, it just happened. If given the choice, Duncan definitely would have ran out the back and escaped with Paul, as he felt he was the best bet Paul had at surviving.
@@kwasiaddae4646 True, but Duncan still managed to kill 19 in a sword fight, not counting the ones he tricked into blowing themselves up with a hidden shield. He made his last stand either way, and I think that's a good thing he put up a fight.
What the miniseries did though, was pretty discourteous to say the least. It was like someone went out of his way to pretend he's better than the author himself.
@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 Yea with the miniseries, its a mixed bag. Some things they did pretty well, and others they completely smoked. And yes agreed, Duncan's action were bad ass without a doubt, but the new film sort of played up the intentional sacrifice thing, where in the old film I feel it better reflected the idea that his loyalty was beyond conscious thought. It was just in him to throw himself into battle, even against the feared Saudakar
@@kwasiaddae4646 Well said.
i am new to Dune, but i loving the amazing cinematics, nice laser cuter, i love how they made the beam quite thin and visible through the dust particles. big problem i find when they make them thick and visible
When your protector fights to give you time to escape and you waste most of it by shouting "NOOO!!!"
Great scene nonetheless.
Duncan was Paul's friend and mentor for years, I would be shocked if Paul hadn't been desperate to save him.
Duncan made his choice. The boy wasted most of it was his point
@@sugar934 Sure but the emotional driven is hard to resist
@@alvinnugraha5264 Remember that Paul is still basically a boy here. He's like Jon Snow before he became Lord Commander.
He's been raised with the Atreides code of honor. He's literally trained to try and save any of his men he can.
He hasn't suffered real loss yet, since he hasn't processed the death of his father yet. He's angry, and hasn't yet comprehended the sadness, which hides the fear. Fear that his destiny is spiraling out of his control.
The real trap is: their society never left him any choice at all. His own training and cultural inoculation has from birth, made going "renegade" to Tupile, anathema to him.
@@sugar934 Damn I also hate when movie characters act like humans with emotions, it’s such a plot hole when people aren’t robots.
I feel sorry for Aquaman with no water planet.
LOL they waste the time Duncan bought them
SEVENTEEN SARDAUKAR. One man, in his final battle, alone, killed seventeen Sardaukar. By virtue of that feat of arms, the name of Duncan Idaho will live on for centuries... in more ways than one.
The soundtrack for this scene combined with the sorta salute Duncan does to let him say like "hey I salute you my king," and then locking the door was just beautiful! I enjoy monarchy movies because the people who protect the kings are 50/50 traitors/loyal badass warriors & the men who follow their oath to protect the king until death are most of the time straight savages!
fuck kings/monarchists
it's like saying "i admire people who defend slavers!" idk what you people are smoking
Wowwww what a movie . let’s hope the second movie will be a real kick asss.
I appreciated that she ultimately decided to agree to Paul's plan at least to the extent that she agreed to report the betrayal. Even if she didn't succeed.
imagine Villeneuve doing God Emperor!
Cool scene but, the whole complexity to shield combat was ignored here, Duncan is hitting those guys quickly and killing them, it is a little annoying because it ruins the immersion for me. Not to mind the lack of realistic blood when people are getting butchered with swords.
That freman killed that Sardaukar with style. He took two on with shield while he had none. I’m sure with more training they’ll be just as good or even better that the sardaukar.
In the book the Sardaukar were no match for the Freman.
Watched lore videos on the Sardaukar .. amazing stuff
@@glennwatson3313 In fact the Fremen actually captured a few Sardaukar in a later skirmish, which was almost unheard of. In another, Fremen "women and old men" force a squad of Sardaukar to retreat against heavy losses.
Oh...you ain't seen nothing yet
@@DrOneOneOne yes. They thought that Sietch was vulnerable. Still a tragic loss in the end.