Lured & Plotted: Dark Sex Games or Something More Sinister?
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Lured & Plotted: Dark Sex Games or Something More Sinister?
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Annie, I'm ashamed to admit that I used to overlook ur channel in favor of other true crime creators but GIRL your dedication is unmatched and you've quickly become my absolute fav. I hope your channel continues to grow and that you receive all the recognition you deserve. Thank you for consistently churning out quality content, you are appreciated!
same lol.
I used to love her channel. Now it feels fake and rehearse. I even unsubscribed and only watch a few videos when I used to watch them all
She IS MY favorite too…I love her delivery…❤
I found her about a year and a half ago, I watched part of one video, then moved on. It wasn't until this past Nov that I watched an entire video and I really like her. It does sound as if she's reading, but I can overlook that. I couldn't do any better, lol
Don't feel 🎉too bad , we all make mistakes LOL 😉 happy you joined the Annie Elise club!!! ❤❤
It’s frightening to know that we are coexisting with disgusting people like this in society.
My gosh! My thoughts every time I watch a true crime story. It's a scary world sometimes. 🌎 I never could have believed the number of murders that have actually happened until I started watching stuff like this. I have certainly led a sheltered life, and yet I've grown up in London, England! 🇬🇧
It really is.
They are everywhere. They even play the trumpet at church..
I tried to prosecute. It was too late for evidence.
Sadly, more than HALF of people you know ow are into BDSM in some way. Lots of damaged souls in the world.
Sexual interests not the issue - rather - it is the violence and murder. Criminal behavior
Thank you for telling Lizzie’s story! You do well honoring the victims in these cases, Annie! Keep on rocking it girl
Thank you very much. I sincerely appreciate that!
@@annieelise girl! I’m gonna be a fan girl for a sec! You replying to my comment made my day! I have watched your channel for over a year but this is my first time commenting! Thank you Annie
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I can't believe Kat only got a few years! She can make out like a victim all she wants but she CHOSE to stay with him and brought him that girl. Then she walked down to make sure her body was hidden! Disgusting! We have a messed up justice system!
I agree, but I think it was more so because that was the only way they felt they could convict Seth and give him the sentence he deserved (prison for life) bc of the body not being recovered.
She’s literally the reason the girl died! I agree
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Agree
I can argue that Kat actually choose to stay with him. I believe at that point she didn’t have much choice, she was a victim herself. As his former girlfriend mentioned she was also in fear of her own life. And once you are in the situation it becomes very difficult to get out, you feel like there is no way to escape.
It wasn’t until I was in my twenties that I was able to look back at dating a 25 year old man when I was 17. He had been my manager at a fast food restaurant. He got me to sneak out in a dangerous neighborhood, he was promiscuous immediately, provided me alcohol the first time he invited me over, TO HIS MOMS HOUSE OMG HE LIVED WITH HIS MOM AND SHE KNEW ABOUT ME, he tried to get me to hate my mom and got me in trouble many times. I broke up with him when I started seeing another boy, my age, and realized how disgusting he was.
Girl, I was 15 dating a 22 year old…I thought because I looked older then him, that it was ok….it was not! Looking back, it’s kinda gross….
girl ik now that im 30 i think back to when i was younger, 13 dating a 19 year old thinking that was totally normal. now im like wtf was wrong with these guys🤔
@@mimo_7174 yea it really is crazy isn’t it….what was wrong with us that we justified it too?? I didn’t know for almost 2 years that he lied to his whole family about my age….we broke up not long after that. My mom is an amazing lady, but she could not control me, and she knew it. I wish I listened. She was always right!
It's not just "kinda gross", it's pedophilia and illegal. Glad you got out of it.
Girl same!! I was 16 dating a 22 yo 🤢
I think being young girls with raging hormones, we only think we know better.
An older adult boy, definitely does.@@laurenmarcoux8986
This one is a heart breaker for sure. Thank you for telling it with such compassion and care for the victim and her family. RIP Lizzie, you deserved so much more from life
Annie, I have to tell you this. Since I've found your podcast and your videos on UA-cam, I have watched you non stop. I paid for the subscription, I check multiple times a day for updates, videos I haven't seen, ect. You have become my go to for true crime breakdowns because you are thorough, you report only the facts and if you're not sure of something you make that known also. You have this empathy for the victims and their families, and you report the stories in a way to not sully the memory of their loved ones , or give fame to the person's responsible. Thank you for making my days better and brighter, thank you for always being so thoughtful and caring , you rock and I look forward to everything you have to say!❤❤ ❤❤
Thank YOU 🙏
If you run out of Annie Elise episodes, you may also like Rotten Mango - she does similarly formatted stories and it’s always interesting hearing both perspectives when they cover the same story.
I’m a die hard fan of Mr. Black and when they did a joint podcast about the Idaho 4 and Ive been hooked.
Same!!
@@FreyjaJewelsTY so much! Looking for a replacement 😢
The creator I used to watch stopped posting as often an I came across your channel to give it a try, the way you lay things out and are so respectful has made you quickly my new favorite channel. I have binged so many of your episodes & this background is definitely my favorite!
Love your channel, Annie Elise!
She’s amazing.
Honestly Annie is so awesome 👌 And her content is top tier, she very quickly became my favourite content creator too, her videos are put together so well and she uploads regularly which is another plus for me 🙏
Christina?
Which channel is that?
Law enforcement/prison guard question-if Seth is writing these explicit letters in jail, why were they given to Kat in jail too? I thought mail was read and phone calls listened to? Can’t they choose not to give the letters to intended recipients?
I was going to say the same thing. I just saw a program last night where a couple got arrested together and were in the same jail, just different areas. He wrote her a letter and tried to send her a pack of M&M's. He packaged it up and gave it to one of the guards - who reported him for violating the rules - they weren't allowed to have any contact and he wasn't allowed to send her mail!! Don't they read any incoming or outgoing mail??
Only incoming mail is opened, but not read.
Usually, in jail, it's a trustee, not a guard, that will run messages to other inmates.
@@dennish3962 they read it all. At least they are supposed to. They might let some slide out of laziness, especially if your letters are always boring.
But yeah, it's very rare to get any mail that hasnt been opened.
You are right about sending messages tho. There is usually a way to make it happen.
You know how lockup is. Everybody knows your business. Some of them dudes are worse than school girls with the gossip.
They don’t sit there and read every letter, they usually have drug dogs check the mail and they open them before handing them over to inmates to make sure there’s nothing inside they aren’t supposed to have.. unless they suspect you of something they really don’t need to read each and every letter. They might randomly pick some but otherwise like I said unless they feel there’s reason to closely monitor all your mail there’s not enough time or c.os to read each piece of mail nobody would ever get their mail!!! Also you aren’t allowed to send mail To someone else who’s in jail so usually they have someone they mail it to who then forwards it for them if it’s restricted.
I worked in our county jail for 7 years. One of my duties was scanning incoming mail for trigger words. We don't read outgoing mail. Inmates find ways (obviously) to get letters in jail. Possibly by working inmates or shady officers.
this was such a sad case. i am so grateful they protected her privacy. that’s unforgivable to do to a victim.
When you are young and involved in a relationship with an age gap, you don't see what the fuss is about, but as soon as u grow up, mature and then have your own kids, you look back and are like what the hell was I thinking!
Yeah, my first long-term relationship was when I was eighteen and he was twenty-seven. He completely emotionally abused me and I just tolerated it because I didn’t know any better. It was awful. Looking back I’m so sorry for my past self.
@MrTitney I'm so sorry u went through that. My comment was from experience as well, I was 17, he was 25. He was not a good person, but it was my first experience of a relationship and I was totally blinded to it. He would love bomb me then dissappear for days or a week and leave me distraught, I suspected he was cheating, but was so scared of losing him I turned a blind eye to it. My parents hated him, and I ended up moving out of their home and in with him. 6months in I found out he was dealing drugs and there was a terrifying incident where I woke up and his the flat was full of people, he was doing a massive drug deal, there was 4 huge bricks of cocaine on the table. I wanted to leave but he wouldn't let me, he hit me repeatedly and locked me in the bathroom while he finished up. I sat in there sobbing and scared, fully realising that if the police came I would go to jail as well. I pretended everything was fine and smuggled all my stuff out his place over the course of 2 days. I couldn't go back to my parents as I knew he would cause trouble there, so I stayed with family he didn't know of and applied for jobs all over the country. I got one 300 miles away and up and left. I was there for a year and rebuilt my family relationship. While I was away, he was done for drugs and armed robbery and sentenced to 15yrs in jail. So I went home. I'm sad to say im 42 and I have only missed 1 Christmas with my parents and siblings my whole life and it was at that time. I couldn't apologise enough to my family, but as upset as they were, they said its all part of growing up and I'd look back and be able to see why I did the things I did and how not to repeat mistakes.
My kids are 18 and 20 and I've been honest with them about it all and what I put my parents through in the hope they wouldn't repeat my mistakes or could learn something from it.
Sorry I went on and on! I'm so glad u managed to get away as well, it's so hard to see how dangerous a relationship like this is when u are in the thick of it and when u have no real experience of a relationship so you don't immediately see the problems.
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I was 16 dating a 31 yr old. I thought I was so cool and sophisticated to be dating a man. Now at 42, I realize I was naive and I was dating a pervert. Thankfully, he called my house one night and my dad answered. Never heard from him again and i didn't have the chance to let him take my virginity.
Fun fact! 50 Shades of Gray is a fanfiction of the Twilight books. It's gives off a completely different vibe when you think of that lol
I’ve always known that yet struggled to see how tf Twilight inspired E.L. James to come up with a story normalizing /mainstreaming bdsm.
@@lollipopsfordays3610because as a man that’s not into BDSM at all, the amount of girls that want to be slapped, choked, and other physical acts it’s crazy. Like I’m a 6’5 black man, that’s not happening, but it sales because yo some degree women must desire this.
@@lollipopsfordays3610 I wouldn't say it was _inspired_ by. Pretty much the only thing that stayed the same were the characters, though they were all human. Everything else was more or less original.
it is also not an correct interpretation of the BDSM community... Safe, Sane, and Consensual...
@@gingernightmare9152 Oh, absolutely not. This book series is a horror.
Seth and Kat's "relationship" much like with with 50 shades of grey, this is neither love nor BDSM. It's straight up abuse.
I 100% agree. The problem becomes when people become swept up in these books, or whatever. It's like the kid that murdered his stepmom because he became obsessed with Jeff The Killer and Creepypasta
I've read the 50 shades of Grey series, and there is no comparison to the book to this or the relationship Christian & Anastasia with Seth & Kat because there was no threesome, and Anastasia finally got her terms with the relationship. For the fact you're saying the book was similar to this murder isn't similar at all.
@@janinelemieux3099 the 50 shades relationship is toxic. You can have a healthy bdsm relationship from the start. It's not something someone needs to wait for their terms, you lay the rules down at the beginning. It's a poor representation. I'm not even into bdsm, I just hate the book series for being fucked up and poorly written.
Yup, exactly.
@@janinelemieux3099 It's not that this story is exactly like 50 Shades, but they obviously got the inspiration from the series
the fact that Kat was willing to participate in this stupid break out scheme proves that she is beyond redemption
He groomed kat
Annie, I've never watched your channel before, but when my wife Brittany (who was Lizzi’s girlfriend) found out you made this, it was very important to her that she and I watch this. She was very scared that some details might've been missed, but she felt you did such a great job honoring Lizzi and telling this story with heart. She and I cuddled up and cried together while watching this; Brittany was especially moved when you emphasized how much Lizzi cared about Brittany and their relationship, so I want to thank you for including that. I never got to meet her, but from everything I've heard about her through my wife and others, Lizzi was an amazing person who touched so many lives. Thank you for doing this story justice.
Oh my.. really? You're married to Brittany?
@@Jess-19L92 Yes, I am
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Oh wow, this is wild. I'm so sorry for your wife's loss.
Glad to have light brought to this story. I personally have never heard about this case but it sounds so awful. I'm very sorry for your wife's loss. I'm sure it was very difficult to hear the story again but Annie always does a fantastic job of getting all the facts!
REAL BDSM is all about mutual respect while exploring your limits with a willing partner. that is NOT what Seth was about. he was about control, humiliation - he was a monster
Exactly. It is consensual He used it to control young girls- just as you said.
That's why I hate the 50 shades books, because it gives the total wrong idea about true Dom/sub relationships. And then stuff like this happens 💔
There is NO such respect when it comes with BDSM! Oh my God! U r out of your mind.
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Okay judgey mc judgerson.
I assure you my husband respects me, my limits, and everything else.
JFC keep your missionary position only sex in your own lane.
The one who has the most control is actually the Sub. IYKYK.
While I do agree that Kat was also victimized, her deal was way too lenient! That's on the DA. Lots of convictions have been accomplished without the actual body having been recovered. I do not wish Kat well in this case.
The evidence of her being abused and controlled must have been far more than we’ve heard for the DA to offer the deal & family to agree.
What a disgusting way of thinking
And the saddest thing is that, when Kat gets out, she'll probably go back to the same lifestyle or go looking for love "in all the wrong places"!!!
She was really kind of "Looking for love in all the wrong places"!! She was naive and fell for someone who easily brainwashed her into thinking that she was in love with him, that what he was doing to her was normal, and that she had to give into his every whim. She just did whatever he told her to, because (as he probably told her) she didn't want to "disappoint him. And, if she did, he probably made her sorry she did. It didn't occur to her that what he was doing to her was wrong, and what they did to Lizzie was also wrong!! And, when she finally gets out of jail, she'll probably go back to a similar if not the same lifestyle, and a guy a lot like Seth!!
@@arielmargaret18Disgusting is a huge overstatement. Kat not only helped with the murder, she also was in on his escape attempt after he had already been convicted. She chose her killer bf over the victim.
The movie Shades of Gray got BDSM into the mainstream and helped predators like Kevon Takashi Ross get his victims. He got sentenced to 200+ years for killing 1 and raping 3.
Yayyyy!!! I’ve been waiting for some Annie Therapy!!!!
Me as well I have been checking notifications for Annie. ❤❤
Thank YOU 🙏
I live on the Seacoast in New Hampshire and i remember this case and how horrible it was in the news. so so sad.
This case was one of the sickest and most disturbing I can remember in a long time. Thank you for sharing this case Annie and getting Lizzie story told.
Both of these criminals have blood on their hands. Glad the guy will rot for life, but am mad that Kat got off so easy. She essentially lured Lizzie there, didn’t call 911, dumped her body, and may even have been involved in the actual murder. She deserved no less than 20 years imo.
💯. I get that someone younger can be controlled in a relationship, but come on. Kat seems to have no boundaries. What would it have taken for her to say “No, stop.” Not luring, not murder, not even watching him S.A. Lizzie’s corpse. She’s just as vile as Seth. Tired of women getting off easy.
Does anyone else hit the like button before the video even starts? Because you know annie gona tell a good one!! Love ya Annie thanks for your hard work delivering us these episodes and podcasts! ❤❤❤
I'm so sorry, Lizzy. You did not deserve those heinous vile acts or the fear pulsating throughout your body as these evil bastards violated and stolen you from this world. This world is less beautiful without your presence may your family and friends hearts stay warm with your memories in these dark cold days ahead. I never got the chance meet you but from what we've been told girl we would've been out there saving critters.
The saddest thing is that the "friends" that they called over did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help her. They just told Seth to "do the right thing" (yeah, like THAT was going to happen!) and just left. Lizzie deserved justice - these 2 idiots didn't even care that they killed her - they just dumped her body!!
Pathetic is the exact word I would use to describe Seth
We're currently snowed in so a true crime story couldn't have come at a better time!! Thanks Annie!
We're snowed in too! I'm all snuggled up with my super soft blanket and about to lay down and binge watch True Crime.
My tribe!❤😊
@@kourtneymelton1282 Same here! Got my fresh cinnamon rolls and a cup of coffee snuggled with my fur babies 💖 trying to make the best of it!
Same 🤣
Snowed in & cuddled up ❤
Y'all stay safe & warm 💗
Same. I have no yummy cinnamon rolls tho. Must tear all three freezers apart.
BS That Kat got such a pathetic sentence. Would Lizzie be alive without her influence? Yes.
He graduated a year ahead of me in high school. We went a to a small private school (graduated with around 60 kids) in Maine. It was very affluent (and very academically rigorous.) He was a loner and super weird…he’d wear combat boots with his pants tucked and a leather trench coat…just very very VERY odd guy. He had a Columbine vibe…so messed up!
Wow he wore the exact type of clothes I would have imagined.
I've either been living in a bubble, or I'm very naive, because this case was just over the top to me. By the way, I'm 70 years old and I thought I had heard it all. It astounds me to know that there are people in this world that are as demented and evil as the disgusting criminal and others in this case. They are sick. It is just beyond me how people can get to the point that they are so cruel to do what they do to others. We live in a very sad and morally corrupt world, and many will pay a big price on Judgement Day. Thank you for always being so thorough in your research and presenting cases in a way that is easy to follow and understand.
I agree 💯! Very well said. I hope you are well and having a beautiful week ✨️ Happy you are here. 🙏🏻
Half the damn western world is into this garbage. Lots of damaged souls walking around.
Pride is a Sin…
Yes I agree. I'm 64 yrs old and have seen a lot of weird stuff like this. Wish I hadn't and we could go back to when our world was a bit cleaner.
Thank God I don't light up the room. I won't be killed 😀
Exactly. No disrespect to any victim in true crime docs, but the victim always "lit up the room". At my funeral, people are more likely to say "she was a total asshole but made killer tacos".
When Seth and Cat realised she had died or stopped breathing I'm not sure what kind of idiots would then call a Tarot card reader that definatly in the picture wasn't dressed as a nurse, but would bring her boyfriend over aswell and all stand around doing nothing to help her. These cases they always claim were accidental then decide it's better to avoid calling 911 and disposing of the person themselves because "I was scared" are usually the opposite. What they don't want is the evidence of foul play being discovered which screws up their alibi.
I love when I listen to these stories, and a few minutes in, I recognize the case (true crime junkie here), but because it's Annie telling the story I still listen like it's the first time ❤
Same here 🤔
Talking about the fetish fair and then saying “queue the rainbow flying over my head” made me burst out laughing. I thought you were referencing Pride, not “The More You Know” logo 😂 Double meaning, I guess!
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I thought the same as you 😂😂
I was never into 50 Shades. I found the very thought of those books then movies to be absolutely disturbing, disgusting, abusive and beyond acceptable. I don't care if I am called vanilla or whatever the token word of the day is. I just know that I don't want a man that knocks the hell out of me, r's me then gives me a little hug to make me feel special.
No, I will stick with my husband of 32 years that treats me with respect, kindness and love on every level, as I do him. The only time I need a safe word is when clothes or jewellery shopping 🤣.
Same here..I haven't seen or read that ratchetness 😅
I myself am definitely not into this stuff, but I feel that, as long as no one is being physically or mentally abusive, you do you!!
You husband is a lucky man
Ur right ! It’s gross aboosive and sick in the head ! No amount of glorifying bdsm will make it ok anybody ok with it is sick too
We need to discuss the potential repercussions and consequences of having a society in which we are not allowed to “kink shame”. By removing even the possibility of a discussion we are condemning so many potential victims to be subjected to horrendous deaths and giving the perpetrator a way to evade justice.
the normalization of perversion in society today, including being "bi sexual" is why we're here. Lord help us.
I said the same thing. Sorry, not sorry. Kink needs to be shamed. Violence should never be equated with love. And if you think differently you need help.
It's hilarious that you think that society isn't allowed to/ doesn't kinkshame. Bc this comment section is full of it. It's even funnier that you think a court would be like oops we can't deliver justice bc we're not allowed to kinkshame.
@@felixhenson9926 plenty of men have murdered their female partner and been able to evade justice by claiming they were participating in “rough sex”.
Perhaps instead of finding things hilarious, you should research these cases.
@@felixhenson9926 I worked for a domestic violence charity before having children. Many of the perpetrators were able to walk free from court by claiming their partner had asked them to hit them. Asked them to strangle them.
Strangulation was the highest indicator for risk to life on our risk assessments. It would result in immediate action by police and support services because it poses real risk to life. By having a loophole in the law in which people can “consent” to this act, renders it unprovable and often unpunishable.
Placing your hands around another human being’s neck in order to prevent them breathing freely, when not fearing for your own life, should always be illegal. You should not be able to say they consented to this.
If you get sexual gratification from stopping another human being from breathing, you have bigger problems than being the recipient of kink shaming.
Women who are at the forefront of fighting against violence towards women and girls will tell you the same. Laura Richards who is a criminal behavioural analyst,[1] and an international expert on domestic violence, stalking, sexual violence, homicide and risk assessment speaks about the risk of accepting pain and strangulation as reasonable and legal elements of sex.
It’s stories like this that are a reminder that we need to teach our children what constitutes a healthy vs non-healthy relationship, romantic or otherwise. RIP Lizzie
The ad post that these people put up is the most sickening thing I have ever seen in my whole life? A) how is it legal? B) who would actually respond??????????????????
Same, no wonder nobody answered!
Work was canceled because of the cold, perfect time to watch some true crime!
Heard this story before can't wait to you to tell me again 🎉🙃❄️
Where do you live that they cancel work because of the cold weather and what do you do for work?
Right lol! Sign me up haha . I'm in upstate NY there's like a foot of snow and school wasn't even cancelled lmao @@rachelroberts3816
Omg I wish... Snowed here and only 1 customer... And I still have to go in🤦🏼♀️ Have the best day and stay warm.
Not me from Northern Ireland waiting each day at 3/4 pm for beautiful Annie’s upload… You never let us down ❤❤
Thank you for shining a light on these crimes. Too much of this is swept under the rug. Too many victims are shamed into silence!
This whole case is one big "WTF WERE THEY THINKING?"
The idea that it’s hard to get a murder conviction AFTER people admit to killing and dumping the person. It’s mind boggling.
In your late teens and early 20s, it's common to hang out in dorm rooms, friends' apartments/houses, and apartments of friends of friends. Or wind up at random parties. It's so chilling that Lizzi was doing something so innocuous (i.e., watching a movie with a friend) and had this happen to her.
If the submissive isn’t the one in control of the situation than it’s not BDSM. There are way too many sickos out there who take advantage of curious people or those that are new to BDSM. Consent and safe words.
Yes!!!!!!! Thank you!!!!
True! People hear and read some dumb shiznit and run with it
Why would anyone want to do that in the first place? It's so disgusting. I had some roommate try and get me into that nope.
@@mariahconklin4150don’t yuck other peoples’ yums.
@mariahconklin4150 it's not disgusting you have the right not to like it and say it's not for you but when it's done right and respectfully, there's nothing disgusting in BDSM. Also, if 50 shades of gray is the only thing you know about BDSM it might looks disgusting. I never understood the hype about those books/films.
It’s like magic. Anytime I feel down, Annie swoops in to tell me a true crime story 🎉 Nice!
Hell yeah lol agreed
I agree to on this freezing cold ❄ day in Bideford Devon UK 🇬🇧 there's nothing like a Annie leise you tube video 📹 to make your day a lot 🔆 brighter ...thank you Annie 🎉
Thank YOU 🙏
❤ absolutely agree
@@annestarkey its bloody freezing right? Im up in Scotland, woke to snow ,it is pretty but my gas bill ain't gone be! 😂 stay safe, roads are pretty wild everywhere x
I remember this story, so sad, Kat and Seth were total MONSTERS.
My new favorite true crime channel. You popped up a couple weeks ago after my usuals didn’t post. I’ve binged your channel and love your delivery of the content!
Yay! You brought the 10 to life neon sign back. I love the new backdrop setup.
Imagine telling people as a safety net where you're going and when to be expected to be back, and they simply shrug it off and say "eh, it happens"...
It wouldnt have mattered anyways she was already dead, she wasnt coming back
having a safety network set up is something all dating women should have. and now well never know if a welfare phone call could have saved her
That shocked me too. She was missing for 2 days and they weren't concerned!? Wtf!?
@@waltzthroughlife think about the time frame in this case . Unfortunately nothing could save Lizzy
It is more obvious after the fact, but I am sure the aunt and uncle never thought something this evil could happen. They must feel so guilty, so no point in making it more painful for them. 55:44
I’ve been your fan since I found you. I used to watch THE CHAPTER AND COFFE CRIME, but you are the first on my top 3 now!
Annie, thanks for telling these people's stories. It must be taxing. I appreciate that you are always respectful to the victims and their families/friends, while letting their truth be known.
Omg! I’m so glad you covered this case. I raised my kids in Dover, NH and this was UNREAL for us, here in a small town. Thank you for letting people know about Lizzie!!
Thank you for all you and your team does to bring us these true crime stories! I am now going to your older stuff and filling my days with those stories.
You do the victims justice with class and some sass…
I’ve been watching you for days…thank you! I am 50 in Puerto Rico, and I am a counselor for woman…You will continue to rise!!!!!
YOU ARE AMAZING!!! I COULD LISTEN TO YOU 24/7! Thank you for all you do! ❤
Annie you are the only True Crime creator I will watch. My husband told me about your channel in August, and that other ppl are into True Crime like I am. I binge watched every video, as soon as I watched your first video ! I had no idea it was a thing on UA-cam, now I feel I am part of an amazing, compassionate community. Your content is incredible. You have visual references, and incredible details that are important to the case. You truly give victims a voice, and respect !!!! Thank you
so what if Lizzie wanted to try bondage? the key fact here is that she wouldn't have wanted to do it with somebody other than her partner. what a creep
Yeah that detail is totally irrelevant to what happened to her
@@Jessicad9304I think o.p is pointing out that Lizzie did nothing wrong and that she did not consent to anything making this not a case of bdsm, but a sick jerk on a power trip
I wish Kat was doing time right beside him, but I understand why they felt they had to make a deal. Still.... I hope Karma catches her at some point in the near future. Thanks for another great delivery Annie!
Kat needs serious psychotherapy. I think her punishment was too light, but I get why the prosecution offered her the deal.
Great job on telling this story with compassion and dignity.
We appreciate all your hard work, Annie thank you✨💕
Annie I’ve been here since day 1 and your my absolute favorite. Your the only one I subscribe too. ❤❤
Your blessed and thank you for all you do. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🥰🥰
I don’t even watch other true crime channels anymore, I open UA-cam, your notifications & videos pop up and I immediately watch you🙃😍🤩🥰 The dedication, hard work, time, energy and details you put into your videos & podcasts is UNMATCHED and simply, the top tier. You are such a gem! A rare, beautiful, intelligent individual 🤍🩷🖤🩶💕 Thank you Annie Elise #10ToLifer for life
My prayers go out to Lindsey’s family❤
I think people often forget that sex doesn't just have to be consensual. It has to be safe, sane and consensual. You can't consent to being seriously harmed because that's not safe or sane - to say it simply. Of course, people disagree on where the line is, but sometimes there's cases like cannibal cafe where someone enthusiastically consents to be murdered and eaten - that's still murder. You can't consent to something like that. I think it's similar to how a minor could have an infatuation with someone and actually think that they want sex with an adult, but they still can't consent.
He’s trying to be like Christian Grey whilst working in Best Buy 😂.
I have never clicked one of your videos so fast. This all happened in my hometown, and I have a family member who went to school with Seth. Thank you for covering this, great work as always ❤
I absolutely love this set up and the neon back with us! Love your videos! ❤
Agreed! I like the new set alot!
This is a sad tale. The question that remains is about Kat and her involvement. It is easy to say that she was abused and under Seths spell. Perhaps. But, something about Kat in all this does not ring true. In the “something about Casey” case we saw how well a woman (in this case) could affect an act to avoid her guilt in court (look, she’s crying again). Kats demeanor certainly seemed real to me in those court photos. However, when Patti Hearse, the cause of having the Patty Hearse Syndrome, was arrested she had been involved in a bank robbery and she was photographed yielding real weapons in a bank robbery. Regardless of how she was coerced, abused, or brain washed, when the victim changes to a willing perpetrator, this should not be allowed to become an excuse. There is a saying that you cannot hypnotize a person into doing something that is not in their nature. That is, a person who is a saint can be hypnotized to do stupid things or embarrassing things perhaps, but a very good person could never be hypnotized to start shooting innocent people for example as those kinds of despicable acts are not a part of their nature.
However she got there, something still does not pass the smell test with Kat. She lured a friend to her doom. She wasn’t cowering from Seth when she did that. She was a fully independent actor that seduced and lured an innocent woman to her doom. Then, she continued to help dispose of the body. Then when Seth tried to escape she provided her credit card and Seth and her planned to run away together. There are many sad and sometimes tragic stories of people that get swept up in cults or give in to the whims of their abusers. But that does not seem the same thing as becoming a primary actor to intentionally get this innocent young women to where she was meat for the beast. Kat was as much a liar as Seth was. Kat is far from blameless and should have gotten at least 20 years.
This story is so sad and sickening. As a parent it hits that much harder and just just makes me so angry. Lizzie was a sweet girl and only wanted to help people. I hope that monster rots for what he did 😡 As tragic as it is that her body is lost to sea, i'd take some comfort knowing that she loved the ocean and sea life ❤️
I agree with you. Despite everything she went through her age and all she still knows right from wrong, she's guilty, in my opinion. She should have gotten more time and taken personal responsibility for her involvement.
Love the “The More You Know” reference 😂. Your content is always excellent, Annie. Thank you for all the hard work you do.
i love your videos, you keep me motivated during work!😂
Annie, We just ran into your videos & I can tell that you have done your homework on these horrific stories! You speak very well and you get into these stories like you were there.
You’ve a new fan/subscriber!!! We look forward to hearing more stories from you!
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thank you for the deep dive into this case, i had heard it before, but you gave me new info about it. thanks
I worked at the private school that Seth attended before college. He was a loner and just “different”. The murder occurred about 4 miles from our house. I was shocked and horrified to hear that he had been charged with Lizzy’s murder.
I've never had a panic attack watching a video before but I just got out of a horrible relationship like this and halfway through I had to stop. I'm sorry but I still liked the video to show my support ❤
I love the way you explain the stories! Girl I just found you a couple days ago and I’ve been binging your videos ❤❤❤
People always get super obsessed with fantasy and it sometimes leads to bad things like this. It's sad😢
You always post at the perfect time, I always watch you during my lunch, it’s so therapeutic for me!
Finally!!!! Didn't know what to do with myself these past few days 😂
She is really good isn't she!!! I stumbled across her like 2 months ago and I'm hooked! She is probably one of the best I've watched!!!
Can't believe they waited 48 hours before becoming concerned!!! 🤦♂️
Cue the rainbow flying over my head😂😂. That reference probably just dated me😂😂😂. Annie you can be hilariously snarky in the middle of a very dark story!
I read this title and was like "Annie's got the tea this morning 😮
The number of comments of ladies saying that when they were young teens, they dated much older adult men is shocking. Its truly crazy.
Needed this ❤ thanks for doing the coverage as always, Annie ❤❤
I remember this case well. My kids and I attended the same church that Kat, her brothers, mom and grandmother attended. We shopped at the local Targets where Seth and Kat worked. It still shocks me all these years later! Rest in peace Lizzie.
Found it a bit funny how you were open enough to try to find the appeal in their ad but couldn’t in any way 😂
This man is a real monster and definitely a serial-killer in-the-making. Lizzie was brutally tortured and killed and nothing will bring her back. I am sad her body was never recovered so the family would have had a place to go and pray and feel closer to her, but she will live forever in their hearts.
Thanks Annie for this excellent video
We just got our first real snow in NJ (even though it started raining on top of the rain ughhh) and the kids are home with. Got you in my ear buds while making them bacon, eggs and pancakes! Hope your jaw is recovering well, lady ❤
Right here with you! I'm glad about the rain, my driveway is longing. I won't have to shovel! @minachkah13
Oooo can I come over yummmmm
You and me both Annie! When I was 18 in 90/91 I dated a 28 year old. He was kind of immature because I had to show how to budget, do his laundry, cook, grocery shop, and clean his apartment. I remember how much my parents hated him and the relationship. It wasn't until during an argument between my mom and I, I screamed at her that I'm not going to get pregnant and marry him, then she finally listened to where my head was in the relationship. Things like I was serious about no baby and doubled B.C and I saw no long term future in the relationship. I am now 50 soon to be divorced and made a decision not to date significantly younger than me, I see now the power dynamic that can occur in these kind of relationships and how damaging it can be to younger person and I have no interest in hurting anybody especially someone I'm dating. I've been the one hurt more then I care to admit. Plus I've always tried to be a good role model for my children (adults now) especially with relationships and keeping in mind that hurt feelings can hurt as bad as a broken limb. Sorry for the novel...
BDSM: the book got it wrong/pain is not punishment-punishment is alienation from the master/mistress being shunned-ignored or not in the presence of the same.
Okay virgin
Really well said. Your coverage of this case was respectful, educated and responsible. RIP kind Lizzi🙏💗🕊️🕊️
Happy new year Annie ❤wishing you a great year and thank you for the documentaries
I find it so scary that this dude just looks like a normal guy I might pass on the street and he is so disgustingly vile on the inside.
Ikr?!
I’m so sick of BDSM and the people who practice it. I have no patience for their nonsense. This is waaaaaaaaaay too common. I’m tired of the gaslighting. The “no kink shame” bullshit. You need to think about your choices, not just give into them.
Pure instant gratification is what they seek. Weak.
Yes, the Millennials have taken the worst immorality of the baby boomers and turned it into dogma + self-righteousness.
Hi Annie I just discovered your channel a few weeks ago and I must say I am completely hooked. I've watched episodes of yours every single day since - multiple episodes actually. Keep up the great work!
Your videos are amazing and i love the way you set the up. Even giving warnings such as this episode, so to speak. And you always state there are the facts youve found and then whatever else is your thoughts. I love you stay truthful ❤
Annie, thanks for telling the stories of these victims and all the great work you do. I really do feel like I’m setting down with my bestie when I watch your videos. Thanks 😊
❤ You always present these cases with grace and dignity for the victims while also throwing those jabs at the perpetrators ❤
You are doing an amazing job 👏