100% agree with this video. I purchased an Outlaw 5000 and hooked up my Front, Center and surrounds and let my AVR take care of the Atmos speakers. WOW!!! What a difference. Thank you Techno dad for your suggestions. Makes watching my 4K/Blu ray discs a whole new experience with a new appreciation for the dynamics my new amp brings to the sound.
maybe you an help me with the clarity, I have a denon x6500h and runningf 5.1.4 atmos setup. Can I use F,L and C channel on preout to a power amp and the all other channels can be power by the x6500h?
Biggest disadvantage for me is this: noise. I don't recall ever getting any hissing or humming using an avr, but you introduce the possibility of raising your noise floor due to different types of interference in connecting to a power amp. This is especially true for speakers with high efficiency ratings. You may hear hiss from your tweeters up close. And often people complain about humming sounds, if there is interference from a nearby wifi router, cable line, or plugging into an incompatible power conditioner. It's an annoying problem that can be resolved but one that comes up frequently.
Man, I just ran into this over the last few weeks. I was trying to add an Onkyo power amp to my Denon x4500h to run 11 speakers. No matter what I did I had noise in every speaker, not just the ones connected to the Onkyo. I tried different cables, plug configuration, and other things to eliminate the ground noise hum. Had me thinking next time I upgrade I will just go with the flagship AVR. Runs all the channels I need and then some, and should have enough jam for me.
Dat Nguyen Good power amps do not make humming noise. I have an Emotiva XPA 5 Gen 3, no noise, no heat from the amp, amazing sound with hardly any distortion.
It’s funny, I just bought a new Monolith 5 amp to drive my main 5 floor speakers and let the Denon 3600h drive my Atmos speakers. I was completely misguided about the impact the amp would have. I was expectecting a significant audio boost at the same volume settings, and when that didn’t happened, I questioned whether the amp was working properly. I see now, thanks to this and other videos that my expectations were misguided. Thanks for this info!
Fantastic video sir! So true! I bought a yamaha 3080 to pair with a klipsch setup 280f's, 450c's, 250's, with a few sets of (RSL C34e's in the ceiling (atmos and surround back). (7.1.2) and i was having a hard time getting a good surround experience. Ended up with a used JBL-AVA-7 (7 X 125) and even the wife was like ok thats a huge difference! The amplifier brought in so many smaller details in movies (with voice clarity) and really brrought the surround effects to life! Great video, you really bring us important things to consider when diving into this stuff!!! :D
My advice where possible always start from quality. Because there is nothing to gain when adding quality to mediocre! Unless speakers or rooms require it, adding an expensive Poweramp to Japanese AVR doesn't necessarily improve the quality of its sound. A poweramps only job is to boost an output signal! Whereas with an AVR, it is responsible for receiving & processing the signal. Even if an AVR is using external amplification, it's still the components within the AVR that will be responsible for quality the signal! Boosting an already established signal is basically giving one more of what ones already got. Hence, always start with something solid.
When choosing an avr do you need something with 'good' pre outs? What makes a good pre out? Is it something to do with the levels/voltage or is that all a myth? Wondering if the mid range denon or marantz is enough, like the sr6013 or denons x3 or x4 series
Super helpful video, but when you mentioned the cons of owning the external amp, you mentioned only space and power consumption. It seems to be that cost is also to be considered when buying separates instead of relying upon a single AVR. What about the sound? How much better does it sound when you connect an external amp to your AVR??
Yes, you're right, cost is a determining factor. However, Emotiva just released the new BasX series with the A3, three channel amp at $499. The sound would depend on the speakers, but overall, you'll have more dynamics and headroom.
An additional reason: I have a well respected subwoofer that has an internal 640 watt power amplifier. It has excellent output down to 20 Hz. However, after a year of use, the speaker went silent. The problem: a blown power amp. I complained to the manufacturer. Unfortunately, the woofer was beyond the warranty period, so I purchased a replacement amplifier. The manufacturer did admit that they had some problems with the old amp supplier and would supply the newer, better, amp at a discount. It came, I installed it and worked well. After another year and a half, the new amp blew out. I decided to replace it with an external amplifier. I got a Behringer 1000 watt amp with DSP so I could duplicate the EQ in the original amp. This has worked perfectly, and has been in operation for more than 3 years without a problem. I believe the intense vibration of the subwoofer is what damaged the internal amps. I admit to feeding the unit lots of low frequency organ music, as well as movies with explosions.
Hi Channa! Hope you are well, the question is if I am running lets say 7.2.2 and I buy Rotel RMB 1555 with Marantz SR7013. Is the sound difference is going to be too much between the remaining 4 channels? I will connect the setup and then run Audessey and hopefully then balance it with SPL meter. Now is that a good combo or those 4 channels are going to suffer a lot, looking for a smooth transition for music and movies :) - Thanks! I think you somewhat answered the question by saying it should be alright ? Also your experience with Anthem was it so profound that you would go back or let me use all the bells and whistles of Marantz such as gapless audio FLAC playbacks etc. :)
Definitely yes! AVR's are just not powerfull enough to drive all those speakers (Atmos 11) with enough power with 85dB average spl and 20dB headroom (105dB)
Great video per usual. The goal for me is to switch over to from an avr to dedicated power amplifier. And with how dynamic Klipsch speakers are, this is extremely beneficial
Yup! A lot of people think that since Klipsch speakers are sensitive and they don't need all that extra power. I've noticed they come alive when you push a lot of watts through them. I got a bigger amp on the way!!
@@TechnoDad I have two really low end receivers I'm using on my speakers and just ache to give them extra juice. Especially during movies and music. I feel like not only does the power help with dynamics, but alot of time the clarity too. I can imagine the rf7iii or the heritage line sound incredible with that extra power
I switched to separates about 1 year ago after watching Techno Dad's channel, Audioholics, and Youthman. Its amazing the difference it makes. I also run Klipsch speakers in a big room, so i needed more power. If your in search of good power at an affordable price, check out Outlaw Audio. I have the 7000x (7 channel amp 130 watts per) powering my surrounds, and three 2200 M's (1 channel amp 200 watts per)for my front stage. They usually run deals with the 2200's and you save when you buy more than 1. Its quality amplification for a great price. Thanks to the UA-cam channels mentioned above for leading me to that company, because I found out quickly just how expensive amplifiers can be. Good luck!
@@sgtpopo_5o_pig262 thanks for you input! It'll be a few years before I can even consider it in all honesty. Student loans and saving for a house is a bitch haha
Hello, did you get the Emotiva A3 for your receiver? If yes did your sound quality improved in your front stage? I was thinking exactly on getting the A3!
Agree with the positives 💯%. However, amps tend to have their own sound. So if you own a higher end AVR like a Yamaha, Denon or Marantz for example the amp will change the sound you spent so much money paying for. Finding a neutral as possible amp is the hard part. Your thoughts? Maybe you can do a show on them.
@@TechnoDad as well you should be! i just pulled the specs on that beast. your gonna have some fun ! 400 wattsx5 at 4 o=hms ? are you serious ? Continuous power output: 250 watts RMS x 5, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 8 Ω, all channels driven 400 watts RMS x 5, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 4 Ω, all channels driven
Good video. Other than being more detailed about the dangers of clipping which is related to dynamics, you hit the main points. Two things: 1) Thoughts on the Outlaw versus the Monoprice amps? 2) I tried to order a pair of RP600Ms for my patio from your man Cory. They refused to sell to me because I live outside the US. You may need to put a disclaimer that your man of business doesn't sell outside the US. Missed you at the last live stream. Hope all is well.
capacity to handle near instantaneous transients is so important for dynamic audio. That requires a tonne of current. I guess you could measure power consumption at the wall for your AVR in 2CH mode vs 9 channel to give a sense of comparison on what a difference in draw is being produced. Using speaker sensitivity you could turn that into a relative wattage value per channel.
I’m trying to figure out how to set up my home theater, and this is the most confusing part to me. I’ve read some things that say you absolutely do not need an external amp, and it can actually make your speakers sound worse. Then I’ve heard people say it is well worth the money and will make the speakers sound much better
I want to upgrade my system but I’m not sure if my receiver will except a power amp. I’m using the Sony STR-DN840 Receiver, dual Velodye. Subwoofers, for the fronts, Polk Audio 11T, Polk Audio Center, and Polk Audio bookshelf’s for the rears and Polk Audios in the rear ceiling. The Room is a 12x13x8 and I would like to upgrade to atmos system 7.2.2 or 7.2.4 any advise?
I have a GREAT question...listening to "all channel stereo" for music is my favorite and most common use of my 5.2 setup. Does it make sense to get a second amp for the much larger front two tower speakers?
Great video! 👍 would you recommend to power every channel separately or use one ext amp for the front stage? Or perhaps one only for the left and right?
I started out powering the front stage only and then ended up with two power amps which power all 9 speakers. After that, I moved from an AVR to a pre/pro.
I want to make a 7.1.4 systemen, now i only need an amp with pre-out for my rear speakers. I have dali oberon speakers and a Denon AVR X4800H. My system is now a 5.1.4 and i want flat speakers behind me, so they don't have to be very loud because they are close at the hearing position. What's your advice for rear speakers close at listening position or is it better do be satisfied by a 5.1.4 system? And what pre out amp too choose icw my Denon x4800h, looking for a good budget small, flat pre-out amp 😅
Great advise...my question is I have an old AVR and I've read that you can use the old AVR as your external amp. Can I use the old AVR to power the 3 front speakers instead of buying a new dedicated power amp? The old AVR is rated at 105W per channel and I'm only using B&W DM602 S3 as my front speakers. Thanks.
T Dad nice video you’re very technical when it comes to audio and amplifier connection However I have a question and I hope that you can get around to answering it I know you get a lot of questions I have a Marantz 9.2 channel AV receiver and I want to add four more channels speakers which will create a 13.2 what channel amp do I use to connect to this AV receiver and how do I configure rate my 13 speakers which speakers is the app going to control or which for speakers is the app is going to control?
So a Power Amp can give me more loudness and clarity because the Power Amp allows more power to go to the speaker channels connected to it, leaving the AVR to devote more power to the remaining speakers powered by the AVR? I understand with a Power Amp you still use the AVR to adjust volume. Will a Power Amp mean for example, '40' on the AVR volume will be louder than without Power Amp? Thanks
You promised!! You delivered!! Like always. Thanks. Missed you on the Monday Podcast. Hope all is well. Big ass explosion. LOL . Love that. Seabiscuit is a great example of quiet loud quiet loud.
Boom! Yeah, I had to do a lot of other work so I couldn't make it. I'm going to watch it tonight. I've hung out with Brian before, he's a cool dude. LOL! Glad you liked my dynamics demonstration!
Thanks for the great video. Noob question: Who else besides Outlaw and Emotiva make/sell 3, 5, or 7 channel external amplifiers? ( Under $1000 preferably.)
When your talking about overpowering a speaker are you also taking into consideration Rms rating on the speaker and the Rms on the amp? For example, I have klipsch front atmos R-625FA Tower speakers, 96db, power handling: up to 100 watts RMS (400 watts peak), 8 ohms. I was going to buy an Outlaw 5000X. It’s rated at 120watts Rms all channels driven. Would this be too much for the speaker being that it’s a continuous load?
Yo love your content, I looking to make a BIG karaoke cabinet in my garage, my Delma is finding or maybe say understanding external amp needed to power a subwoofer rated 1200 watt rms, (car audio woofer)or close as possible. Or should I use a smaller sub? I know that the enclosure will be most important to the sound, but I have these old woofers and I want to use them, or do I even need that much power? HELP!!!
Great video and I totally agree! I am running an Emotiva BASX A-700 with my denon X 3400 and I do notice a difference in power and sound quality. The A-700 is not the most powerful amp in the world but it is certainly more powerful than my receiver.
Definitely going to be better than just the AVR. If only we could get some sort of standardization with AVRs so we can get a max channel power rating. I just don't think the marketing departments want to do that...
How do you like the Basx and how many channels do you drive with it? I was thinking about getting the A-500 and just driving the front 3 channels with it, but I can't convince myself that it will be a noticeable enough difference
I upgraded last year from my denon AVRX6400H Receiver to a Yamaha CXA and MXA5200 combo with 6 pairs of cord company shawline XLR Cable’s and yes it wasn’t cheap but for me there’s no going back to using just a receiver don’t get me wrong the denon was pretty good but just not as good as these two Yamaha power houses
I currently have a 7.2 system, running on a denon AVR4700h receiver, I am wondering if adding a external amp such as your units will help me with more power and more clarity for my system? The denon produces 125w/channel I believe. Also wondering how to hook this up in addition to my denon? Do I hook up my speakers directly into this amp and the amp to my receiver?
if I have the Sonance MAG6R speakers paired with an AV receiver (Pioneer VSX-1022K). Speakers say Power Capability is 125 watts and the receiver says 140 watts X 7 (per channel), is that good or will I ruin my speakers? These are the first in-ceiling speakers that I have purchased and I just want to make sure I'm not going to ruin them if I crank the volume too high.
Hi, I have Yamaha 583 receiver, with 5.1.2 setup, all speakers are bookshelves. Do you think my system is underpowered, if so means, will changing my AVR to denon 6500, marantz 7013, will do justice. Will these models provide adequate power for all the bookshelves, or should I add external amp to the denon or marantz. Thanks
I have an old 2 channel amp with 100 watts per channel. Id like to use it to cover the last 2 channels of processing on my Marantz 7013, but it has no trigger in or out. Is that trigger solely to turn it on or is other information passing through it and I cant use it without one? I wouldn't mind turning it on and off myself
@@codysegleski492 you can still blow your speakers man... if the rating is 100w RMS and 250w peak that’s means you can give it more than 100w rms power but you’re at risk to blow your speakers or to burn your voicecoil
Hi, I've got a HT system with Definitive front speakers (200W) and a Denon AVR (140W) - both 8ohms. Does it make sense to connect a integrated amp (Cambridge or Parasound) of lower watts (90 or 110) to the AVR and will it improve stereo sound quality (for music) if I connect the two front speakers to the amps?
Very useful Thankyou. Let me ask you something ,Last week I bought denom avr s750 h and I connected pioneer sp fs52 and the central speaker only .but iam not getting enough power as I used my old stere in my college days .can you suggest me an amplifier with three channels or else?
Ok in this case if i have denon x3700 and it's only 2by 105w in 8ohms but my speakers front all 300w in 4ohms and surround 250w in 4ohms what really amp i should be looking for...? as I understand that emotiva bass series or outlow 120w in 8ohms for every channel not enough for my speakers?..
Thanks for the great video as usual. Question. How many watts per channel would you recommend from an AVR for either the Klipsch RP-8000F or the RF-7iii? If I buy the RF-7iii's, I would use those for awhile in 2 channel mode and then add an amp for them when I bought other speakers. I could only afford to buy a 65" TV, AVR along with the RF7iii's for now. I keep hearing I need 150+ watts/channel minimum for them.
Hi Techno Dad, I’m a big fan of the channel and I do have a question; i have 5 powered Definitive Technology speakers connected to Denoon AVRX4500. Do i need an external Amplifier? The 5 main speakers are powered and running another 4 for DAtmos. Thank you
But are there situations where you don't need more power? My receiver is rated for 100watts / ch. I know when all 9 speakers are powered they won't all get 100w. But to get reference level volume of 105db I only need 70w / ch. In that case, why do I need an amp?
Probably a bit late to get a response but how do you get the most out of your amp when the receiver does level matching? Should you manually turn them up or will that unbalance everything?
So there’s a couple things you can do. You can connect the amp and run it as is with the “older” room calibration. Or, you can connect the amp and then re-run your room calibration. You will get more power to the externally powered speakers. However, if you connect the amp and rerun room correction, you will have a more balanced system with the extra headroom for large dynamic shifts.
Hi techno dad... am in a delima to buy a 3 channel amp or a 5 channel amp. i.e. parasound A31 or A52+ ? I have a 9.2 atmos setup. Running Klipsch’s RF62ii with RC62ii , RS52II for surrounds and 4 RP160 Pro for atmos.2 subs svs sb4000 and Klipsch’s sw308. All running thru Denon avr 4500h.Area of my living room 2200 cubic feet. So which power amp should I pic of the two?
Hey Techno Dad. Another stellar vid. Quick question: Do you know of any other speaker to line level adapter other than the Russound ADP 1.2? Had to use the Russound because my amp doesn't have pre-outs. The Russound adapter works, but the speaker wire connections are small and too close together, and it doesn't come with any housing. Thanks! Love your stuff!
Can I use different speakers impdence 4 ohms for front and center and 8 ohms for highet and surround with Emotiva xpa3 7 channels? Does different impedance creates problems?
Hi, I ve recently upgraded my Home Theatre system with the below mentioned system & speakers. Kindly suggest do I need an external amplifier??? AVR - MARANTZ 5013 FRONT - BIC ACOUSTECH PL-980 SURROUND - BIC ACOUSTECH PL-66 TOP - ONKYO SKM 560S NO SUB
How does the AVR divide the remaining power to the remaining speakers when it's utilizing individual amplifiers? An 11 channel AVR had 11 individual internal amps so wouldn’t the unused channels be "wasted unused power"?
But can one hear the difference??? I am on the fence to be honest. My fronts are bookshelves but with 89db sensitivity. Currently run via Denon 4311ci.
Hello and thank you for your great videos,been very helpfull.I own a Denon 4500h paired with Klipsch reference 5.1.2 setup. Room 1400 cubic feet . I am thinking of purchasing a stereo Power amp for my towers rp280f ( Rotel 1552 mkii or marantz mm7025) I want to achieve better sound quality on music mostly. Will this be the way to go?
@@TechnoDad what would be a good amount of power for those 280fs?? Pushing mine with a Yamaha rxa1080 also with 450c. Also trying to figure out surrounds for 5.1. Have Jamo 801s laying around. Please advise.
Hello I have yamaha rx-a3080 paired with klipsch r-820f towers r-52c center rear are r-51m was thinking of getting a three channel amp for front stage what are your thoughts on the bass x a three amp I'm just running 5.1 right now hoping to add atmos later any help would be appreciated thanks
Have you tried the summit hi-fi power amp? It's beast dirt cheap. I have the x4500h do you think it's worth the extra $1100,to purchase the x6500h? Pretty well same features like bit more power,and extra 2 channels powered and of course Made in Japan. I'm using already using power amp.
Hey Brother! I'm rockin 5.1.2 set up. With my next save 5 to $700 I'm torn between going with an external amp or adding a second sub. My current sub is a pb-1000. Any thoughts on which will enhance the system more? No worries if it's super subjective just curious your opinion. Thanks man!
Hi Michael! I think more people would notice the second sub more than the power amp. Yes, it is very subjective. I did the amp first and have two subs on the way.
Under powering is out of the question. However, over powering isn't exactly the right way or let's say best way to go. Speakers should also have head room just like amps. Generally speakers should (but not always necessarily) be capable of taking double the amp RMS needed (that's of course within speaker recommended amp power) to protect them, increase their life span, and also to take those dynamic shifts with ease. Yes overpowering isn't a bad move afterall and can prove worthy and quite frankly it may be the only option to so many ppl looking for an amplifier. The user must just be careful not to over drive the speakers!
TECHNO DAD WHAT KIND OF SPEAKER CABLES DO YOU USE TO WIRE YOUR AVR TO YOUR AMP? I CANT FIND ANY CABLES WITH SINGEL PLUG OUT LET ANYWHERE . DO YOU USE LIKE A SUBWHOOFER CABLE OR WHAT
Hi TD, loving your vids here in aus. I’ve just converted garage into cinema room Have it pre wired for a potential 7.2.4 set up. I’ve purchased a Denon avc4700h arriving in a few weeks. I’m looking at Canton Vento range of speakers or Klipsch Rp8000f. Your recommendations re front sound stage. I think I only have option of front Left and Right only with this unit being externally amped or all 11. Not sure I have option of adding centre to the front two?? Any recommendations. Cheers
Thanks for the advice 🤔 What kind of power conditioner do you have and do you think it will help me with the high pitch noise I'm receiving from one of my surrounds, maybe it's because my 6 plug extension is practically piggy banking (1/4 plywood cabinet between them) the back of my AV receiver!
If you had an Denon X8500H would you still run an external amp? I was listening to Audioholics review, and one of the gents on there mentioned that he didn't see a need for it. I've been thinking about going to the flagship AVR when it's my time to upgrade, instead of having to buy an external amp, then adding a new AVR down the road.
Also bear in mind that stepping to a higher model av receiver should be mostly based on differences in hardware quality, features, functions, number of channels supported.. etc rather than power rating since the increase in power level from lower models is generally not so much. However, it's supposed to guarantee higher sound output stage, and tonal quality. I would be careful when stepping from one av receiver to a higher model particularly one with a big jump in price. Would the difference in hardware and features be worth it? Would I need them? Is my room or my sound system at par with its price range? Going for a lower and probably much cheaper model yet still a decent one and pair it with a separate amp with tge right power may prove much wiser especially when the whole thing wands up being around the same cost of a high end AVR that I don't really need in the first place even more especially when they're have got very high price tags for which I would prefer to invest in other components of the sound system such as speakers, subwoofers, amps.. etc.
@@musaedalfraih4682 I appreciate what you're saying, and I understand that you don't know me, or my gear, so you're going to base your response on a more general scale. Which I think is a very accurate way of viewing these things, and a comment Channa would most likely agree with. I'm currently running 7.1.4, with a Denon x4500H, external two channel amp, KEF Q series for LCR, surrounds and rear surrounds, KEF Ci160ER for in ceiling, and a Rythmik FVX15. I have two more KEF speakers I can deploy for a 9.1.4, but my AVR is maxed out on processing channels. Eventually I would love to use them as front wides, but my room isn't big enough for it. With that in mind however, when I am ready for that, I will be in the market for a new AVR. It's hard to stomach buying something to process 13 channels, then pair it with something of equal quality to take on the heavy lifting. I had convinced myself (and my wife) that I would move in that direction when the time comes. Now I'm wondering if I should save for an external amp first, then buy the 13 (or more) channel AVR when the time comes.
Is there a way to tell if you actually need an external amp? I mean maybe the room is small enough or the speakers have a high sensitivity rating and your avr doesn’t have any problems with dynamics and headroom in that setup. So how do you tell?
I guess if you enjoy music/movies at a louder level, then go for it. If you are good with the level, then don’t. I have a room that’s over 4000 cubic feet so the more the better. Smaller rooms won’t have that issue.
So shouldn't you of mentioned that not just any or every receiver or AVR system head has pre-out (is it not needed to even hook up a power amp)or am I missing something.,My integrated amp is not new although has PREAMP OUT and the power amp is high-end retro, as well as my reason for adding it after having the Nikko power amp, is 4 tower speakers ratted 300 watts wth 2 12 in sus in each. ump,i needed some thump as 60 yr young audio junkie.
If you get a big amp im sure it’ll make a difference. But what if you are using a half decent receiver, lets say at denon x4500h level and instead add like a $400-500 power amp. Will it make that much of a difference?
I want to add a Marantz MM7055 to compliment my Denon X6500H. My 7.2.2 setup Klipsch R26f L/R, R51m (S4), R25C (C), R41SA (Atmos 2). Am I over doing with these entry level speakers? Also what do you think of this power amp, I dont see many reviews about it other than comments under the Best Buy site?
I haven't had any experience with this amplifier. I think these speakers would be fine with 100 - 120 wpc. All the documents I've seen online say the amp is 140 wpc with two channels driven.
Thank you for this video, i have one question. Does the AVR control the volume level for the external amp? My friend is using on for his rear surround speakers and he has to walk to the amp to adjust the volume, something that i am trying to avoid. i want to move my whole rack to a closet and going in there just to adjust the connected speakers will be a PITA. Please advise. TIA
@@TechnoDad Thank you for the response. This is the amp he is using, let me know your thoughts: www.crutchfield.com/p_021MP210VS/AudioSource-AMP210VS.html
I think Gene at Audioholics is lobbying for this kind of Pre-Pro. He has tested some upper end receivers and found their Pre-Out voltages low. My 2004 Denon 3805 has Pre-Out and Input jacks.
Great video man, loving it, I am running 7.2.4 , Polk RTiA9 is my front towers, I am powering them using preout from Marantz 7012 to Sonance Sonamp cinema 5150 thx 165x5 channel, when sound moves from ear level to atmos i can clearly hear the difference, any suggestions or do I need to add another amp for powering atmos,
Techno Dad I did run the room correction, i bump up few dbs in the atmos channel, my issue is the bass difference between ear level and atmos , my surround & surround backs are Klipsch Rs42, atmos are rp140sa , btw looking for another amp buy the shipping & customs cost is killing me to import from USA to KSA
hey techno dad, i only have 2 speakers for either atmos high front speaker or rear low speakers. which ones do u recommend for me install in the meantime while i can safe enough for the other 2. thanks
Techno Dad, as always great content that you are bringing to YT community. It helps a lot. I have a pair of Polk LSIM 707 (upto 300w) and 706c center (upto 250w). Currently i am running them with only a Yamaha AVR TSR 7810 at 95w/2 channel, and i am running only 3 front stage speakers and 2 SVS subs. (a 3.1 system). I sit about 3 meters away from the speakers and at my listening level, the max i crank my AVR volume is around -22....on average i listen at -40. So far, it's working as it suppose to.... I watched your do i need an amplifier video, based on the powerpoint slide u presented, the answer is NO. My question is, am i losing some of the capabilities of this Polk speakers that can handle so much more power than my AVR can produce, but at my listening level? please help....
Thank you in advance for any help you can provide! I own the Onkyo Rz820 and just got the Focal 806 and matching center speaker as well as the 605 for the rear, also I have in ceiling Atmos speakers. I was wondering if you could suggest a very affordable add on amp to get the most out of my Focal speakers? My wife is about to murder me if I keep adding any more stuff to our home theater😬 It took me a couple of years to convince her about the new Focals😔
@@Gpoteat100 I ended up getting the Emotiva basx A7. It works perfectly with driving my speakers! And channel separation is so much more than I could have imagined 👍
Ive been listening to you for over a year , you always give informative information awesome!! Hay Techno Dad i have a question for you ? First i have a 9.2 pioneer receiver. So my questions is can i use the zone 1and 2 for extra height channels and if so how much power does it pull from the 120 receiver ? Plus if i can use them for that purpose i was thinking about getting a 5 channel marantz amp. What do you think sir ?
This is the one Ive been waiting for-thanks. So Im thinking of the outlaw 5000 to go with my Yamaha 2080(140 watts) to power my front stage. My only question is my front stage is the Polk LSIM 707 and 706C and Polk say their working range is 20 to 200 watts. Do you think the Outlaw 5000 will give me enough power to make a difference in a 5.1.2 home theater? Since I live in a condo I really don't push the volume and I always listen to music in pure direct mode. Thanks again for this.
I have the Outlaw 5000 and the Pre-pro. I was using an old Denon AVR-3805 as an amp for my Outlaw Pre-Pro and the 5000 made a great difference. Fuller Sound. Got it for $600 as B-Stock. The amps in even the most expensive receivers are a joke. There is no room for proper power supply or cooling. Look at the specs - they are a joke on receiver amps.
130 watts into 7 channels all channels driven at 8 ohms full bandwidth. Seems pretty legit to me! I When I did speak to them about the 7000, they said I need to make sure the AVR Pre-out voltage was strong enough.
@@TechnoDad my set up is all Elac Unifi series, front left and right Uf5's, Uc5, a pair of Ub5's for surrounds and two Velodynes subs all paired with a Yamaha RXA1070. Sounds great for a newbie but I can tell they need more juice.
I agree with everything you say with a small but. Cost, you have to put down cost as a disadvantage. It has nothing to do with the sound but neither has space.
You can easily go with 2, five channel amps or get a multi channel 9 or 11 like what Commish linked up. Honestly though, you can get away with a single 5 channel amp and then let your AVR power the surround back and Atmos channels.
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100% agree with this video. I purchased an Outlaw 5000 and hooked up my Front, Center and surrounds and let my AVR take care of the Atmos speakers. WOW!!! What a difference. Thank you Techno dad for your suggestions. Makes watching my 4K/Blu ray discs a whole new experience with a new appreciation for the dynamics my new amp brings to the sound.
Hello, is the sound much better with a power amp than with the receiver on it's own?
maybe you an help me with the clarity, I have a denon x6500h and runningf 5.1.4 atmos setup. Can I use F,L and C channel on preout to a power amp and the all other channels can be power by the x6500h?
@@tainle I believe Techno Dad said you could... (at 7:30 in video) ua-cam.com/video/RO3VmAyWO6U/v-deo.html
Biggest disadvantage for me is this: noise. I don't recall ever getting any hissing or humming using an avr, but you introduce the possibility of raising your noise floor due to different types of interference in connecting to a power amp. This is especially true for speakers with high efficiency ratings. You may hear hiss from your tweeters up close. And often people complain about humming sounds, if there is interference from a nearby wifi router, cable line, or plugging into an incompatible power conditioner. It's an annoying problem that can be resolved but one that comes up frequently.
Man, I just ran into this over the last few weeks. I was trying to add an Onkyo power amp to my Denon x4500h to run 11 speakers. No matter what I did I had noise in every speaker, not just the ones connected to the Onkyo. I tried different cables, plug configuration, and other things to eliminate the ground noise hum.
Had me thinking next time I upgrade I will just go with the flagship AVR. Runs all the channels I need and then some, and should have enough jam for me.
Dat Nguyen Good power amps do not make humming noise. I have an Emotiva XPA 5 Gen 3, no noise, no heat from the amp, amazing sound with hardly any distortion.
@@AngelPerez-oh1dm You can still encounter ground loops, you may have just gotten lucky.
I had to resort to a product to eliminate it called Hum X.
Try a ground lift or hum x type of product.
@@AngelPerez-oh1dm what about gen 1s??
It’s funny, I just bought a new Monolith 5 amp to drive my main 5 floor speakers and let the Denon 3600h drive my Atmos speakers. I was completely misguided about the impact the amp would have. I was expectecting a significant audio boost at the same volume settings, and when that didn’t happened, I questioned whether the amp was working properly. I see now, thanks to this and other videos that my expectations were misguided. Thanks for this info!
Fantastic video sir! So true! I bought a yamaha 3080 to pair with a klipsch setup 280f's, 450c's, 250's, with a few sets of (RSL C34e's in the ceiling (atmos and surround back). (7.1.2) and i was having a hard time getting a good surround experience. Ended up with a used JBL-AVA-7 (7 X 125) and even the wife was like ok thats a huge difference! The amplifier brought in so many smaller details in movies (with voice clarity) and really brrought the surround effects to life! Great video, you really bring us important things to consider when diving into this stuff!!! :D
I bought the Emotive 3 . I tested it out with my Denon 6300 for 28 days and then sent it back. It didn’t improve my HT at all especially for $1200.
Thanks for sharing
Sincerely
D. Downer
Thanks. In a similar position
How did you calibrate everything?
Holly crap why buddy???🙄🙄🙄
My advice where possible always start from quality. Because there is nothing to gain when adding quality to mediocre! Unless speakers or rooms require it, adding an expensive Poweramp to Japanese AVR doesn't necessarily improve the quality of its sound. A poweramps only job is to boost an output signal! Whereas with an AVR, it is responsible for receiving & processing the signal. Even if an AVR is using external amplification, it's still the components within the AVR that will be responsible for quality the signal! Boosting an already established signal is basically giving one more of what ones already got. Hence, always start with something solid.
When choosing an avr do you need something with 'good' pre outs? What makes a good pre out? Is it something to do with the levels/voltage or is that all a myth? Wondering if the mid range denon or marantz is enough, like the sr6013 or denons x3 or x4 series
Super helpful video, but when you mentioned the cons of owning the external amp, you mentioned only space and power consumption. It seems to be that cost is also to be considered when buying separates instead of relying upon a single AVR.
What about the sound? How much better does it sound when you connect an external amp to your AVR??
Yes, you're right, cost is a determining factor. However, Emotiva just released the new BasX series with the A3, three channel amp at $499. The sound would depend on the speakers, but overall, you'll have more dynamics and headroom.
An additional reason: I have a well respected subwoofer that has an internal 640 watt power amplifier. It has excellent output down to 20 Hz. However, after a year of use, the speaker went silent. The problem: a blown power amp. I complained to the manufacturer. Unfortunately, the woofer was beyond the warranty period, so I purchased a replacement amplifier. The manufacturer did admit that they had some problems with the old amp supplier and would supply the newer, better, amp at a discount. It came, I installed it and worked well. After another year and a half, the new amp blew out. I decided to replace it with an external amplifier. I got a Behringer 1000 watt amp with DSP so I could duplicate the EQ in the original amp. This has worked perfectly, and has been in operation for more than 3 years without a problem. I believe the intense vibration of the subwoofer is what damaged the internal amps. I admit to feeding the unit lots of low frequency organ music, as well as movies with explosions.
Thank you for sharing your experience! Yes, built in amps can fail.
Hi Channa! Hope you are well, the question is if I am running lets say 7.2.2 and I buy Rotel RMB 1555 with Marantz SR7013. Is the sound difference is going to be too much between the remaining 4 channels? I will connect the setup and then run Audessey and hopefully then balance it with SPL meter. Now is that a good combo or those 4 channels are going to suffer a lot, looking for a smooth transition for music and movies :) - Thanks! I think you somewhat answered the question by saying it should be alright ? Also your experience with Anthem was it so profound that you would go back or let me use all the bells and whistles of Marantz such as gapless audio FLAC playbacks etc. :)
Definitely yes! AVR's are just not powerfull enough to drive all those speakers (Atmos 11) with enough power with 85dB average spl and 20dB headroom (105dB)
Great video per usual. The goal for me is to switch over to from an avr to dedicated power amplifier. And with how dynamic Klipsch speakers are, this is extremely beneficial
Yup! A lot of people think that since Klipsch speakers are sensitive and they don't need all that extra power. I've noticed they come alive when you push a lot of watts through them. I got a bigger amp on the way!!
@@TechnoDad I have two really low end receivers I'm using on my speakers and just ache to give them extra juice. Especially during movies and music. I feel like not only does the power help with dynamics, but alot of time the clarity too. I can imagine the rf7iii or the heritage line sound incredible with that extra power
I switched to separates about 1 year ago after watching Techno Dad's channel, Audioholics, and Youthman. Its amazing the difference it makes. I also run Klipsch speakers in a big room, so i needed more power. If your in search of good power at an affordable price, check out Outlaw Audio. I have the 7000x (7 channel amp 130 watts per) powering my surrounds, and three 2200 M's (1 channel amp 200 watts per)for my front stage. They usually run deals with the 2200's and you save when you buy more than 1. Its quality amplification for a great price. Thanks to the UA-cam channels mentioned above for leading me to that company, because I found out quickly just how expensive amplifiers can be. Good luck!
@@sgtpopo_5o_pig262 thanks for you input! It'll be a few years before I can even consider it in all honesty. Student loans and saving for a house is a bitch haha
Plan on getting the Emotiva BasX A3 for my front stage to compliment my Denon x4700h.
Hello, did you get the Emotiva A3 for your receiver? If yes did your sound quality improved in your front stage? I was thinking exactly on getting the A3!
Thanks a lot for making this video! You just answered all of questions and mentioned stuff I haven't even consider.
You’re very welcome Juanra!
Agree with the positives 💯%. However, amps tend to have their own sound. So if you own a higher end AVR like a Yamaha, Denon or Marantz for example the amp will change the sound you spent so much money paying for. Finding a neutral as possible amp is the hard part. Your thoughts? Maybe you can do a show on them.
This was excellement! I am now moving on from AV receivers...Emotiva, Classe?
I bought parasound A52+ recently and paired with my Yamaha RXA3080. Yes, there is a big difference in the dynamic headroom. Good video!
Woot woot!! I love that amp! It’s bigger brother, the A51 just arrived. I’m stoked!
@@TechnoDad as well you should be! i just pulled the specs on that beast. your gonna have some fun !
400 wattsx5 at 4 o=hms ?
are you serious ?
Continuous power output:
250 watts RMS x 5, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 8 Ω, all channels driven
400 watts RMS x 5, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 4 Ω, all channels driven
Channa You showed how to buy wire but not the settings on the amplifiers what do you do with those please
great video......what do u think of the monoprice 300 watt amps..?..2 channel amp.......... for hometheater...considering of buy a few of them....
Hi John! I think they work really well!
@@TechnoDad great thank you
Hello, it's: 8:30 pm here. Does having an external Amp reduce the amount of amps. You're reciever has to put out?
Good video. Other than being more detailed about the dangers of clipping which is related to dynamics, you hit the main points. Two things:
1) Thoughts on the Outlaw versus the Monoprice amps?
2) I tried to order a pair of RP600Ms for my patio from your man Cory. They refused to sell to me because I live outside the US. You may need to put a disclaimer that your man of business doesn't sell outside the US.
Missed you at the last live stream. Hope all is well.
capacity to handle near instantaneous transients is so important for dynamic audio. That requires a tonne of current.
I guess you could measure power consumption at the wall for your AVR in 2CH mode vs 9 channel to give a sense of comparison on what a difference in draw is being produced. Using speaker sensitivity you could turn that into a relative wattage value per channel.
Great idea!
I’m trying to figure out how to set up my home theater, and this is the most confusing part to me. I’ve read some things that say you absolutely do not need an external amp, and it can actually make your speakers sound worse. Then I’ve heard people say it is well worth the money and will make the speakers sound much better
I want to upgrade my system but I’m not sure if my receiver will except a power amp. I’m using the Sony STR-DN840 Receiver, dual Velodye. Subwoofers, for the fronts, Polk Audio 11T, Polk Audio Center, and Polk Audio bookshelf’s for the rears and Polk Audios in the rear ceiling. The Room is a 12x13x8 and I would like to upgrade to atmos system 7.2.2 or 7.2.4 any advise?
I have a GREAT question...listening to "all channel stereo" for music is my favorite and most common use of my 5.2 setup. Does it make sense to get a second amp for the much larger front two tower speakers?
Great video! 👍 would you recommend to power every channel separately or use one ext amp for the front stage? Or perhaps one only for the left and right?
I started out powering the front stage only and then ended up with two power amps which power all 9 speakers. After that, I moved from an AVR to a pre/pro.
I want to make a 7.1.4 systemen, now i only need an amp with pre-out for my rear speakers. I have dali oberon speakers and a Denon AVR X4800H. My system is now a 5.1.4 and i want flat speakers behind me, so they don't have to be very loud because they are close at the hearing position. What's your advice for rear speakers close at listening position or is it better do be satisfied by a 5.1.4 system? And what pre out amp too choose icw my Denon x4800h, looking for a good budget small, flat pre-out amp 😅
what about connecting 2 integrated ? one to b pre and other to b power ? is there any benefits ? tnx
Great advise...my question is I have an old AVR and I've read that you can use the old AVR as your external amp. Can I use the old AVR to power the 3 front speakers instead of buying a new dedicated power amp? The old AVR is rated at 105W per channel and I'm only using B&W DM602 S3 as my front speakers. Thanks.
T Dad nice video you’re very technical when it comes to audio and amplifier connection
However I have a question and I hope that you can get around to answering it I know you get a lot of questions
I have a Marantz 9.2 channel AV receiver and I want to add four more channels speakers which will create a 13.2 what channel amp do I use to connect to this AV receiver and how do I configure rate my 13 speakers which speakers is the app going to control or which for speakers is the app is going to control?
So a Power Amp can give me more loudness and clarity because the Power Amp allows more power to go to the speaker channels connected to it, leaving the AVR to devote more power to the remaining speakers powered by the AVR?
I understand with a Power Amp you still use the AVR to adjust volume. Will a Power Amp mean for example, '40' on the AVR volume will be louder than without Power Amp?
Thanks
TECHNO DAD CAN I GO RCA UNBLANCED FROM MY RZ50 TO XLR BLANCED TO Monolith Multi-Channel Power Amplifier? IS THERE ANY ADVANTAGE IF , OR LOS OF SIGNAL?
You promised!! You delivered!! Like always. Thanks. Missed you on the Monday Podcast. Hope all is well. Big ass explosion. LOL . Love that. Seabiscuit is a great example of quiet loud quiet loud.
Boom! Yeah, I had to do a lot of other work so I couldn't make it. I'm going to watch it tonight. I've hung out with Brian before, he's a cool dude. LOL! Glad you liked my dynamics demonstration!
Just curious looked for the Outlaw 5000 but the new version 5000x is all that is available...any plans for a review?
I'm using the 5000x. It's great.
Thanks for the great video. Noob question: Who else besides Outlaw and Emotiva make/sell 3, 5, or 7 channel external amplifiers? ( Under $1000 preferably.)
Monoprice has some stuff that Audioholics swear by as well.
Monoprice and a fe others I can't think of right now...
Tonewinner makes amazing, processors, amplifiers, DACS, and integrated amplifiers. I currently own their 7 channel amplifier.I live in Toronto area.
@@iqbalhosein1241 Did you get from Aamir I got the 500 watts 2 channel beast. Summit hi-fi in whitby. Cheers from Ajax.
Osd Audio
Do separated give much of a difference in a small space? 15 x 15.
For sure it will.. Just depends on how many speakers you're running.
Yes. As Davidde said, it's more about how many speakers you are running.
When your talking about overpowering a speaker are you also taking into consideration Rms rating on the speaker and the Rms on the amp? For example, I have klipsch front atmos R-625FA Tower speakers, 96db, power handling: up to 100 watts RMS (400 watts peak), 8 ohms. I was going to buy an Outlaw 5000X. It’s rated at 120watts Rms all channels driven. Would this be too much for the speaker being that it’s a continuous load?
Yo love your content,
I looking to make a BIG karaoke cabinet in my garage, my Delma is finding or maybe say understanding external amp needed to power a subwoofer rated 1200 watt rms, (car audio woofer)or close as possible.
Or should I use a smaller sub?
I know that the enclosure will be most important to the sound, but I have these old woofers and I want to use them, or do I even need that much power?
HELP!!!
Do i need an amplifier for connecting Dolby Cp 850 to speakers or I can directly connect it to speakers
Great video and I totally agree! I am running an Emotiva BASX A-700 with my denon X 3400 and I do notice a difference in power and sound quality. The A-700 is not the most powerful amp in the world but it is certainly more powerful than my receiver.
Definitely going to be better than just the AVR. If only we could get some sort of standardization with AVRs so we can get a max channel power rating. I just don't think the marketing departments want to do that...
Techno Dad No they definitely don’t! am AVR with 30 watts per channel all channels driven does not look as good on paper.
@@TheFrugalAudiophile lmao at 30 WHITES !
the hog Hoops, Oops, AutoCorrect got me there
How do you like the Basx and how many channels do you drive with it? I was thinking about getting the A-500 and just driving the front 3 channels with it, but I can't convince myself that it will be a noticeable enough difference
I upgraded last year from my denon AVRX6400H Receiver to a Yamaha CXA and MXA5200 combo with 6 pairs of cord company shawline XLR Cable’s and yes it wasn’t cheap but for me there’s no going back to using just a receiver don’t get me wrong the denon was pretty good but just not as good as these two Yamaha power houses
I would agree!
I currently have a 7.2 system, running on a denon AVR4700h receiver, I am wondering if adding a external amp such as your units will help me with more power and more clarity for my system? The denon produces 125w/channel I believe. Also wondering how to hook this up in addition to my denon? Do I hook up my speakers directly into this amp and the amp to my receiver?
if I have the Sonance MAG6R speakers paired with an AV receiver (Pioneer VSX-1022K). Speakers say Power Capability is 125 watts and the receiver says 140 watts X 7 (per channel), is that good or will I ruin my speakers? These are the first in-ceiling speakers that I have purchased and I just want to make sure I'm not going to ruin them if I crank the volume too high.
Hi, I have Yamaha 583 receiver, with 5.1.2 setup, all speakers are bookshelves. Do you think my system is underpowered, if so means, will changing my AVR to denon 6500, marantz 7013, will do justice. Will these models provide adequate power for all the bookshelves, or should I add external amp to the denon or marantz. Thanks
I find that the answer to the question "should you buy......" is almost always a yes, if you can afford it.
Amen brother
That's a good point!
I have an old 2 channel amp with 100 watts per channel. Id like to use it to cover the last 2 channels of processing on my Marantz 7013, but it has no trigger in or out. Is that trigger solely to turn it on or is other information passing through it and I cant use it without one? I wouldn't mind turning it on and off myself
Man, today is the day I learnt that I can overpower my speakers way beyond the nominated watts!!!! Thanks for that.
You’re welcome! Thank you for watching.
I was worried about blowing my speakers if I overpowered them...now...sky (and budget ) is the limit
@@codysegleski492 you can still blow your speakers man... if the rating is 100w RMS and 250w peak that’s means you can give it more than 100w rms power but you’re at risk to blow your speakers or to burn your voicecoil
@@MonkeyDude1999 Or your ear drums.
Hi, I've got a HT system with Definitive front speakers (200W) and a Denon AVR (140W) - both 8ohms. Does it make sense to connect a integrated amp (Cambridge or Parasound) of lower watts (90 or 110) to the AVR and will it improve stereo sound quality (for music) if I connect the two front speakers to the amps?
Very useful Thankyou. Let me ask you something ,Last week I bought denom avr s750 h and I connected pioneer sp fs52 and the central speaker only .but iam not getting enough power as I used my old stere in my college days .can you suggest me an amplifier with three channels or else?
Can i use klipsch RP 500sa to Connect Yamaha PX3 Power Amp.?
Ok in this case if i have denon x3700 and it's only 2by 105w in 8ohms but my speakers front all 300w in 4ohms and surround 250w in 4ohms what really amp i should be looking for...? as I understand that emotiva bass series or outlow 120w in 8ohms for every channel not enough for my speakers?..
Thanks for the great video as usual. Question. How many watts per channel would you recommend from an AVR for either the Klipsch RP-8000F or the RF-7iii? If I buy the RF-7iii's, I would use those for awhile in 2 channel mode and then add an amp for them when I bought other speakers. I could only afford to buy a 65" TV, AVR along with the RF7iii's for now. I keep hearing I need 150+ watts/channel minimum for them.
You need pre outs on your receiver to use an amp correct?
Yes!
Hi Techno Dad, I’m a big fan of the channel and I do have a question; i have 5 powered Definitive Technology speakers connected to Denoon AVRX4500. Do i need an external Amplifier? The 5 main speakers are powered and running another 4 for DAtmos. Thank you
But are there situations where you don't need more power? My receiver is rated for 100watts / ch. I know when all 9 speakers are powered they won't all get 100w. But to get reference level volume of 105db I only need 70w / ch. In that case, why do I need an amp?
Probably a bit late to get a response but how do you get the most out of your amp when the receiver does level matching? Should you manually turn them up or will that unbalance everything?
So there’s a couple things you can do. You can connect the amp and run it as is with the “older” room calibration. Or, you can connect the amp and then re-run your room calibration. You will get more power to the externally powered speakers. However, if you connect the amp and rerun room correction, you will have a more balanced system with the extra headroom for large dynamic shifts.
Hi techno dad... am in a delima to buy a 3 channel amp or a 5 channel amp. i.e. parasound A31 or A52+ ? I have a 9.2 atmos setup. Running Klipsch’s RF62ii with RC62ii , RS52II for surrounds and 4 RP160 Pro for atmos.2 subs svs sb4000 and Klipsch’s sw308. All running thru Denon avr 4500h.Area of my living room 2200 cubic feet. So which power amp should I pic of the two?
Hey Techno Dad. Another stellar vid. Quick question: Do you know of any other speaker to line level adapter other than the Russound ADP 1.2? Had to use the Russound because my amp doesn't have pre-outs. The Russound adapter works, but the speaker wire connections are small and too close together, and it doesn't come with any housing. Thanks! Love your stuff!
Can I use different speakers impdence 4 ohms for front and center and 8 ohms for highet and surround with Emotiva xpa3 7 channels? Does different impedance creates problems?
Hi,
I ve recently upgraded my Home Theatre system with the below mentioned system & speakers. Kindly suggest do I need an external amplifier???
AVR - MARANTZ 5013
FRONT - BIC ACOUSTECH PL-980
SURROUND - BIC ACOUSTECH PL-66
TOP - ONKYO SKM 560S
NO SUB
How big is your room? Cubic number? L x W x H
How does the AVR divide the remaining power to the remaining speakers when it's utilizing individual amplifiers? An 11 channel AVR had 11 individual internal amps so wouldn’t the unused channels be "wasted unused power"?
Did you ever get an answer to your question? I’ve been asking the same question and no one can answer it
Happy thanksgiving 🦃 how about if you have two external amplifier do you use two triggers cable?
But can one hear the difference??? I am on the fence to be honest. My fronts are bookshelves but with 89db sensitivity. Currently run via Denon 4311ci.
I'm hooked! Now my question is Which one, Emotiva A-5175 or Outlaw5000, any suggestions?
I’ve had the Outlaw and it had worked without issue. I haven’t used the A-5175, so I can’t really comment on its performance.
Hello and thank you for your great videos,been very helpfull.I own a Denon 4500h paired with Klipsch reference 5.1.2 setup. Room 1400 cubic feet . I am thinking of purchasing a stereo Power amp for my towers rp280f ( Rotel 1552 mkii or marantz mm7025) I want to achieve better sound quality on music mostly. Will this be the way to go?
Hello Jim! Thanks for watching. I would externally amplify those RP280Fs!
@@TechnoDad what would be a good amount of power for those 280fs?? Pushing mine with a Yamaha rxa1080 also with 450c. Also trying to figure out surrounds for 5.1. Have Jamo 801s laying around. Please advise.
Hello I have yamaha rx-a3080 paired with klipsch r-820f towers r-52c center rear are r-51m was thinking of getting a three channel amp for front stage what are your thoughts on the bass x a three amp I'm just running 5.1 right now hoping to add atmos later any help would be appreciated thanks
Have you tried the summit hi-fi power amp? It's beast dirt cheap. I have the x4500h do you think it's worth the extra $1100,to purchase the x6500h? Pretty well same features like bit more power,and extra 2 channels powered and of course Made in Japan. I'm using already using power amp.
Hi Gerald! I have said plenty of times before that an X4500H and a power amp will be better than just the X6500H on it's own.
@@TechnoDad thank you for your feedback. I'm just anal about it being made in Japan. Yes am running amp,with my x4500h.
Hey Brother! I'm rockin 5.1.2 set up. With my next save 5 to $700 I'm torn between going with an external amp or adding a second sub. My current sub is a pb-1000. Any thoughts on which will enhance the system more? No worries if it's super subjective just curious your opinion. Thanks man!
Hi Michael! I think more people would notice the second sub more than the power amp. Yes, it is very subjective. I did the amp first and have two subs on the way.
Under powering is out of the question. However, over powering isn't exactly the right way or let's say best way to go. Speakers should also have head room just like amps. Generally speakers should (but not always necessarily) be capable of taking double the amp RMS needed (that's of course within speaker recommended amp power) to protect them, increase their life span, and also to take those dynamic shifts with ease. Yes overpowering isn't a bad move afterall and can prove worthy and quite frankly it may be the only option to so many ppl looking for an amplifier. The user must just be careful not to over drive the speakers!
Great points!
TECHNO DAD WHAT KIND OF SPEAKER CABLES DO YOU USE TO WIRE YOUR AVR TO YOUR AMP? I CANT FIND ANY CABLES WITH SINGEL PLUG OUT LET ANYWHERE . DO YOU USE LIKE A SUBWHOOFER CABLE OR WHAT
Hi! I use Mogami RCA cables
Hi TD, loving your vids here in aus. I’ve just converted garage into cinema room Have it pre wired for a potential 7.2.4 set up. I’ve purchased a Denon avc4700h arriving in a few weeks. I’m looking at Canton Vento range of speakers or Klipsch Rp8000f. Your recommendations re front sound stage. I think I only have option of front Left and Right only with this unit being externally amped or all 11. Not sure I have option of adding centre to the front two?? Any recommendations. Cheers
Thanks for the advice 🤔
What kind of power conditioner do you have and do you think it will help me with the high pitch noise I'm receiving from one of my surrounds, maybe it's because my 6 plug extension is practically piggy banking (1/4 plywood cabinet between them) the back of my AV receiver!
I have the Furman PFi 15 of something like that. You could be getting that interference from many places. Have you tried a ground lift?
Of all the channels I check out,
I think I've learnt the most from your channel, so a massive THANKS to you, does my TV remind you of someone's?
If you had an Denon X8500H would you still run an external amp? I was listening to Audioholics review, and one of the gents on there mentioned that he didn't see a need for it.
I've been thinking about going to the flagship AVR when it's my time to upgrade, instead of having to buy an external amp, then adding a new AVR down the road.
Also bear in mind that stepping to a higher model av receiver should be mostly based on differences in hardware quality, features, functions, number of channels supported.. etc rather than power rating since the increase in power level from lower models is generally not so much. However, it's supposed to guarantee higher sound output stage, and tonal quality.
I would be careful when stepping from one av receiver to a higher model particularly one with a big jump in price. Would the difference in hardware and features be worth it? Would I need them? Is my room or my sound system at par with its price range?
Going for a lower and probably much cheaper model yet still a decent one and pair it with a separate amp with tge right power may prove much wiser especially when the whole thing wands up being around the same cost of a high end AVR that I don't really need in the first place even more especially when they're have got very high price tags for which I would prefer to invest in other components of the sound system such as speakers, subwoofers, amps.. etc.
@@musaedalfraih4682 I appreciate what you're saying, and I understand that you don't know me, or my gear, so you're going to base your response on a more general scale. Which I think is a very accurate way of viewing these things, and a comment Channa would most likely agree with.
I'm currently running 7.1.4, with a Denon x4500H, external two channel amp, KEF Q series for LCR, surrounds and rear surrounds, KEF Ci160ER for in ceiling, and a Rythmik FVX15.
I have two more KEF speakers I can deploy for a 9.1.4, but my AVR is maxed out on processing channels. Eventually I would love to use them as front wides, but my room isn't big enough for it. With that in mind however, when I am ready for that, I will be in the market for a new AVR.
It's hard to stomach buying something to process 13 channels, then pair it with something of equal quality to take on the heavy lifting.
I had convinced myself (and my wife) that I would move in that direction when the time comes.
Now I'm wondering if I should save for an external amp first, then buy the 13 (or more) channel AVR when the time comes.
I think the X8500H should put out a lot of power and not need an external amplifier.
@@TechnoDad thanks for the reply, appreciate it!
Hello techno dad can you make a video on recommendations for power conditioners?
Honestly, I don't know too much about them. I got a smoking deal on a Furman Elite-15 PFi so I just bought it. ua-cam.com/video/Wjvva4H28gA/v-deo.html
Jamos 809 can u recommend Av receiver/amp pls
Is there a way to tell if you actually need an external amp?
I mean maybe the room is small enough or the speakers have a high sensitivity rating and your avr doesn’t have any problems with dynamics and headroom in that setup. So how do you tell?
I guess if you enjoy music/movies at a louder level, then go for it. If you are good with the level, then don’t. I have a room that’s over 4000 cubic feet so the more the better. Smaller rooms won’t have that issue.
This is great information for me about power amp thanks
Glad it was helpful!
So shouldn't you of mentioned that not just any or every receiver or AVR system head has pre-out (is it not needed to even hook up a power amp)or am I missing something.,My integrated amp is not new although has PREAMP OUT and the power amp is high-end retro, as well as my reason for adding it after having the Nikko power amp, is 4 tower speakers ratted 300 watts wth 2 12 in sus in each. ump,i needed some thump as 60 yr young audio junkie.
If you get a big amp im sure it’ll make a difference. But what if you are using a half decent receiver, lets say at denon x4500h level and instead add like a $400-500 power amp. Will it make that much of a difference?
Yes, it will. Especially if you have a larger room.
I want to add a Marantz MM7055 to compliment my Denon X6500H. My 7.2.2 setup Klipsch R26f L/R, R51m (S4), R25C (C), R41SA (Atmos 2). Am I over doing with these entry level speakers? Also what do you think of this power amp, I dont see many reviews about it other than comments under the Best Buy site?
I haven't had any experience with this amplifier. I think these speakers would be fine with 100 - 120 wpc. All the documents I've seen online say the amp is 140 wpc with two channels driven.
Thank you for this video, i have one question. Does the AVR control the volume level for the external amp? My friend is using on for his rear surround speakers and he has to walk to the amp to adjust the volume, something that i am trying to avoid. i want to move my whole rack to a closet and going in there just to adjust the connected speakers will be a PITA. Please advise.
TIA
Power amps do not have a volume knob, so I’m not sure what he is using. He could have just bought a small amp or used an old one that had a power knob
@@TechnoDad Thank you for the response. This is the amp he is using, let me know your thoughts: www.crutchfield.com/p_021MP210VS/AudioSource-AMP210VS.html
Hi, I’m Tony, I have an Anthem 720/ mca225. How do I hook up my ARC to my laptop
What if I dont have a trigger out Jack on my Denon avrs940 receiver, how can I connect it to an external amplifier?
I have the 6700h 9.2.4,there is a sound of G space in ceiling, but how to hook it up w/o loosing one sub? PS powering AVR with two OSD5 channel.
So you mean the Voice of God channel?
@@TechnoDadyes( VOG ) please do a video on how to add the second sub when the Avr is max out. More speakers than channels.
Excellent content and presentation!
I just learned a tonne from this video. You know your stuff. Thanks sir...
You’re very welcome, Jordan! I’m glad you liked the video.
We need Sound United to rip out the amps in a good receiver and make it into a good Pre-Pro for $1000. I'll be the first buyer.
You know?!?!
No I'll be first buyer,lol. Something like the x8500h just the made in Japan brains.
I think Gene at Audioholics is lobbying for this kind of Pre-Pro. He has tested some upper end receivers and found their Pre-Out voltages low. My 2004 Denon 3805 has Pre-Out and Input jacks.
@@amazoidal the new denon like my x4500h is at 4v
But it can be done cheaper!
Great video man, loving it, I am running 7.2.4 , Polk RTiA9 is my front towers, I am powering them using preout from Marantz 7012 to Sonance Sonamp cinema 5150 thx 165x5 channel, when sound moves from ear level to atmos i can clearly hear the difference, any suggestions or do I need to add another amp for powering atmos,
Either do that or bump up the levels in the AVR to your Atmos channels. Did you run room correction after installing the amp?
Techno Dad I did run the room correction, i bump up few dbs in the atmos channel, my issue is the bass difference between ear level and atmos , my surround & surround backs are Klipsch Rs42, atmos are rp140sa , btw looking for another amp buy the shipping & customs cost is killing me to import from USA to KSA
Hi @technodad is adding a 2 channel power amp beneficial in HT setup? Not to get extra channels but for powering the front 2 speakers, thank u
Hi! Yes, I would externally power the front stage.
@@TechnoDad thank u
hey techno dad, i only have 2 speakers for either atmos high front speaker or rear low speakers. which ones do u recommend for me install in the meantime while i can safe enough for the other 2. thanks
Hi front for sure!
Techno Dad Awesome! Thanks!
Techno Dad, as always great content that you are bringing to YT community. It helps a lot.
I have a pair of Polk LSIM 707 (upto 300w) and 706c center (upto 250w).
Currently i am running them with only a Yamaha AVR TSR 7810 at 95w/2 channel, and i am running only 3 front stage speakers and 2 SVS subs. (a 3.1 system).
I sit about 3 meters away from the speakers and at my listening level, the max i crank my AVR volume is around -22....on average i listen at -40. So far, it's working as it suppose to....
I watched your do i need an amplifier video, based on the powerpoint slide u presented, the answer is NO.
My question is, am i losing some of the capabilities of this Polk speakers that can handle so much more power than my AVR can produce, but at my listening level?
please help....
Thank you in advance for any help you can provide!
I own the Onkyo Rz820 and just got the Focal 806 and matching center speaker as well as the 605 for the rear, also I have in ceiling Atmos speakers. I was wondering if you could suggest a very affordable add on amp to get the most out of my Focal speakers?
My wife is about to murder me if I keep adding any more stuff to our home theater😬
It took me a couple of years to convince her about the new Focals😔
You can get some pretty good amps on OSD Audio for a decent price.
@@Gpoteat100 I ended up getting the Emotiva basx A7.
It works perfectly with driving my speakers!
And channel separation is so much more than I could have imagined 👍
Ive been listening to you for over a year , you always give informative information awesome!! Hay Techno Dad i have a question for you ? First i have a 9.2 pioneer receiver. So my questions is can i use the zone 1and 2 for extra height channels and if so how much power does it pull from the 120 receiver ? Plus if i can use them for that purpose i was thinking about getting a 5 channel marantz amp. What do you think sir ?
Hi Kenny! Thank you so much for watching. Unfortunately, I don't think it works that way. What AVR make and model do you have?
@@TechnoDad its vsx -Lx503
This is the one Ive been waiting for-thanks. So Im thinking of the outlaw 5000 to go with my Yamaha 2080(140 watts) to power my front stage. My only question is my front stage is the Polk LSIM 707 and 706C and Polk say their working range is 20 to 200 watts. Do you think the Outlaw 5000 will give me enough power to make a difference in a 5.1.2 home theater? Since I live in a condo I really don't push the volume and I always listen to music in pure direct mode. Thanks again for this.
I have the Outlaw 5000 and the Pre-pro. I was using an old Denon AVR-3805 as an amp for my Outlaw Pre-Pro and the 5000 made a great difference. Fuller Sound. Got it for $600 as B-Stock. The amps in even the most expensive receivers are a joke. There is no room for proper power supply or cooling. Look at the specs - they are a joke on receiver amps.
Yes Matt, it will make a difference!
Good stuff Techno D!! What's the ratings for the outlaw 7000? I'm looking the 5000 or the 7000
130 watts into 7 channels all channels driven at 8 ohms full bandwidth. Seems pretty legit to me! I When I did speak to them about the 7000, they said I need to make sure the AVR Pre-out voltage was strong enough.
@@TechnoDad my set up is all Elac Unifi series, front left and right Uf5's, Uc5, a pair of Ub5's for surrounds and two Velodynes subs all paired with a Yamaha RXA1070. Sounds great for a newbie but I can tell they need more juice.
I agree with everything you say with a small but. Cost, you have to put down cost as a disadvantage. It has nothing to do with the sound but neither has space.
True that!
Can the amp also power the subwoofer?
Subwoofers usually have their own amps integrated in them!
Thank you very much for all of the great info in all of your videos. See you Sat. 2:00.
You bet!
I would like to know if I can hookup an external power amplifier to my sony 1060. I donot see any pre_outs on the back of the av receiver
Hi Richard, unfortunately, If the avr doesn’t have pre outs, then you cannot add an external amplifier.
So what setup/amp would you recommend for running a 7.4.1 (2 when I can afford it) along side a Denon avr-x3600h?
www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=33307 11 CHANNEL
You can easily go with 2, five channel amps or get a multi channel 9 or 11 like what Commish linked up. Honestly though, you can get away with a single 5 channel amp and then let your AVR power the surround back and Atmos channels.