Techno dad i dont know what reciever u are using but do u know you can set your speakers to small and still cross them over to what ever point you want them at?
@@TechnoDad ok cool because setting your speakers to small doesnt really mean they are small its for just telling the av wat to do with the rest of the bass frequency
Man, after daaaaays of trying to figure out why the sound was so crappy on my new Wharfdale towers, I came across your video and made the settings make so much more sense! All of a sudden I can hear details again! Thank you!!!!
@@TechnoDad i’m still working on trying to figure out what the perfect crossover would be for Bowers and Wilkins 805 D3 speakers. Any feedback you could give me would be helpful
This is really an issue that never seems to go away. Unfortunately many people, myself included fell into the trap of using the recommended 80 hz crossover for all the speakers. I didn't know much about speaker frequency response capability except it was an number in the speaker specs. Like many I purchased speakers based on recommendations from friends and reading reviews; ditto receivers. Needless to say I've wasted a lot of money. Since watching you guys on your daily podcast I have become more knowledgeable. I subscribed to your channel and came across this video. It was truly a great find. My system which consists of ML 60xts, 50xt and FX surrounds with a Polk 10 inch Sub with the FL, FR , FC set to 60 Hz and the FXs left at 80hz has really opened up the sound to the point I sat in amazement when playing my favorite go to CD which is the 1812 Overture on Mercury Living Presence with all the bells, cannon shots, etc. and the Hobbit - Battle of Five Armies movie. BTW my AVR is the Marantz SR7013 with the Emotiva BASX 2 driving the FCR speakers leaving the sub and surrounds to the Marantz (which really had a problem driving the ML 60xts despite what their specs said, that is another story). This is a long post but thank you. Perhaps this is a topic you guys should revisit on your daily podcasts.
When THX came up with the 80Hz standard it was over 25 years ago. Speakers have improved dramatically since then. Test and listen for yourself to see what’s best for your system and don’t forget the Surrounds.
Every video of yours is detailed and of professional level. Your way of mixing humour with the facts, is what makes the viewers keen on listening to you, without making them bored. I appreciate your efforts. Thanks and keep going.
I think you're 100% correct that it's all subjective and everyone's room is going to sound different. The size of the room, placement of the speakers, and listening distance are all factors that contribute to how the sound is going to change in any given situation. Tweaking to find what sounds best in your room is part of the enjoyment of the hobby (IMHO).
well my sound system has perfect sound reproduction and my subwoofer crossover is at 64Hz and my subwoofer doesn't make any sounds at the 90Hz frequency perfect sound is not subjective
It's refreshing to see a video keeping an open mind about crossovers and not just saying "Set crossover on all your speakers to 80Hz. Period." like so many out there. Especially when it comes to the center channel.
Just wanted to say thank you for the tips in this video. I adjusted my crossovers and it made a world of difference. You were definitely correct. I did get a much fuller and even sounding bass from my speakers, especially with fronts. Please keep making videos. I thoroughly enjoy your channel.
For about 10 years I had no idea about crossover frequency settings (I'm 26 but I'm the tech guy in my family lol). I'm going to have to play around with our set up. What did you end up choosing as crossovers for your speakers?
I have the Klipsch R-26F, and I used the John Wick club scene as my demo as well. I believe I landed at 60hz for these speakers. I had the towers set to large for months, but after making this change I notice a huge difference in quality.
I've been enjoying my Klipsch RF 820s with my SVS SB 4000. Watched over 50 4k movies. Finally got around to using REW. Found I had a big dip at 42 hz despite the great bass. Had to adjust one of the DSP and put it out of phase. Now I'm in heaven all over again 😁
I agree 100%. For my Klipsch 8000F's I have two crossover presets on my Yamaha Aventage Receiver, one for movies @ 60hz, and one for music at @ 40hz. After listening for quite some time I have settled on these settings and could not be happier.
Even in the Subwoofer range, as frequency goes up, the beams or directionality of the speaker becomes more directional. At lower frequencies, sound tends to sound Omni-Directional or all directional. At above 80hz, the bass sound starts to become more directional. That is, instead of coming from everywhere, it seems to be coming from a specific direction. Now this is a steady process, the higher the frequency, the more you can determine the direction the sound is coming from. Under 80hz, the sound tends to be coming from everywhere which is what you want for Sub-Bass for Movies, and even for Music.
I usually follow SVS's guideline of double what your speaker is rated {eg. 40Hz rating set to 80 75Hz set to 150} Seems to be a good starting point then get closer to actual rating of speakers.
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I had my sub at 80 along with my speakers. I experimented a bit with it at lfe but the localization ruined it for me. I split the difference at 100 hz and it's amazing. Just trust your ears. Running: Yamaha aventage 3080 Klipsch 280fs Klipsch 240s Klipsch 440c Klipsch r 115sw Going to now start experimenting my front stage. Good call.
Wyatt King, smartest analyzation I’ve ever heard. “Trust your ears.” I’ve always done that too. Same thing when setting speaker level. I have hearing loss in my left ear. Setting the left channels a bit higher balance everything out for me. It may not be great for others in the room with perfect hearing, but it’s my equipment and I paid for it.
I love experimenting with the crossovers, I run 11.2.2 including a 4-way B&W HTM centre, and 12" tower mains, 10"&15" subwoofers, 6.5" everywhere else. I have the 15" sealed velodyne set around 40hz, it moves a lot of air that you feel on your pants its such a nice boost in extension into the sub frequencies. My 10" audio research is ported so its got a punch in the higher 80hz area and i have it set to 90hz. The mains and heights set to large 40hz highpass they sweeten everything at a flat but very full response throughout the entire frequency sweep. the centre although 4-way doesnt have much bass output lower than around 100hz despite its size, its set to 100. Then i have the crossover for the Low frequency extension setting that sends subwoofer signal to the mains as well as the subwoofer, its set to 150hz which seems to sound better.giving all the bass to the mains as well.
I like your video! It's refreshing to hear advice telling people to to try out different settings to see what sounds best for their unique setup, rather than pretending to know something specific about something with so many variables. I loved how you described your process, particularly how you explained why you chose the test clip that you did. Great information. My 5.2.4 Atmos setup in the family room is set at 80Hz because it sounds best with my Boston HS-40 surrounds and height speakers. My 5.1 in the man cave, however, is set at 60Hz because it sounds fuller with my Infinity Sterling SS-03 speakers. The right crossover point really does depend upon speaker size and placement, and room size and acoustics. New fan of your channel! Thank you!
Hello Drake, and welcome! I am a music producer and DJ, so I play around with frequencies all the time when mixing music. There are times where you just have to trust your ears. You said it yourself, there are too many variables and making a broad statement about what it should be set to is a difficult thing.
I just ordered the Definitely technology Cs9080 Center Speaker, That Center Speaker is know for its 8" built in subwoofer, But I already have 2 Svs Subwoofers, Should I run the CS 9080 Center Speaker Small or Large to take advantage of the Subwoofer?
Great Video! I leave all my settings at 80hz/Atmos at 100hz plus lfe at 120hz dual 12" DB12 subs & sounds perfect for me, all depends on what you like & what equipment you are using. My Fluance Signature series towers going down at 35hz. 2.0 for music i change to full band without the dual subs.
Hi 👋 Dear, I watched your video, But I need a better tone, midrange more for my listening stereo music. I have Parasound Pre P6 , Power A21 + , speakers RP 8000 F. I very comfortable with this setup now, but I need more tribe, midrange, can you advise which separate pair of cross over can I buy it which brand should I get one ☝️ How it can be connected in my pre amp and power amp. I need more low frequencies. Please advise waiting for your reply thanks 🙏.
I was taught a simple safe way to set a subwoofer was to set it at the low end frequency of your main channel speakers. So if your mains low end is 120 set your sub at 120. It Works and my system sound great to me. 🎵🎵 Thanx for the info
I have a question, on my 5.1 AV receiver I set front, center and surround to small, front crossover set on 80 Hz and center and surround set on 120 Hz (here I am not sure if I made the right choice). How to set my surround and center speaker crossover if in speaker specification say that: center and surround frequency range 150 Hz-20.000 Hz? 80 - 120 Hz isn't too low if the frequency range of the speakers is between 150-20,000 Hz?
FYI, I've disconnected my subs from the floor with shock platforms usually used for say, monitors or guitar amps on risers. This allows them to move a bit and direct more sound into the listening area, and less into the carpeted floor. Huge difference after tuning!!
Nice! I always decouple my subwoofer from the floor. I even do that with my center channel. I also do that in my music studio with monitors and my large Marshall tube combo. I have found a product that will do the same for speakers but it's pricey. I need to make a video on them soon!
@@TechnoDad Channa, This may be off topic here. I'm an acoustic and electric guitarist now that I've semi-retired. Mo time, mo music. :-) I have software to slow tracks maintaining pitch, changing keys, altered tunings, etc, for learning to play new stuff. But I'd like to improve my software arsenal for recording. As you know, many recorded versions of songs have two or three guitars which you have to combine into fewer instruments for a live performance--unless you have the rare luxury of three guitarists! True, combining parts is learning event that increases knowledge and promotes a better sound, but it can be tedious. I'd like to play the different parts myself and mix them. I'd have to add some percussion and base, etc. Do you think one platform, say Apple has the best music apps? It's amazing that we can afford software and hardware that used to cost hundreds of thousands of bucks and took up half a room. :-) Is there a better place to get your thoughts? Thx!!!
Maybe you can explain this issue I'm having to me. I have a fairly quality HT setup and just entered the world of prepro. It's a little older but I am now using a Marantz AV 8802a. I have set all my speakers to small, LFE + Main, crossed over at 80hz for the speakers and 120hz for the subs. Now here's the problematic part. When I have 1 subwoofer engaged in the processor, the speakers are producing bass as they should, yet if I engage 2 subs in the processor, something changes drastically and in a less then desirable way. It's as if every ounce of bass has been removed from the speakers and sent to the subs. It makes things sound super lean. It is even more noticable if I go and manually turn the subwoofers volumes down so that I can hear how the speakers are actually performing. Any insight you could give would be much appreciated. Thanks
Your the man techno dad I tried it on my polk tower speakers which can go down to 40 Hz set my ROTEL processor mains to 60 Hz and left my center and surrounds at 80Hz and set subwoofer at 120Hz and made a big difference to bass performance over the recommended ROTEL default settings which was 100Hz.
Your satellite speakers are rated at 150Hz-20Khz, your subwoofer is rated at 150Hz down to 35Hz. So if you're able to set the crossover in your receiver, set your main speakers to small and then set their crossover to 150 or 160Hz, that way anything under 150Hz, your subwoofer will naturally pick up and blend all the way down to 35Hz or close enough as the ratings and RMS on those arent that great, but it should still work. Being that your satellite speakers (mains, not subwoofer) bottom out at 150hz, you do not want to set them to 80Hz crossover and then crank the volume as you risk blowing the speakers.
Thanks for the video. After 20 years I had to replace my receiver. I got at Onkyo & have Bose speaker set up. My previous receiver didn’t have this cross over stuff. Should I set ALL speakers at 80hz crossover? Or the LFE at 80 & the F S C at 100?? Please help.
In-room extension is always lower than the speaker's natural rolloff. I have found that in most rooms, given the typical slope of crossovers, your best setting will be a half-octave above the spec'd -3dB rolloff. So multiply the speaker's -3dB point by 1.5 and you will usually nail it, barring phase alignment issues.
Thanks for sharing. I have a question i hook up a mixer for karaoke to a receiver so should the mixer and receiver be set at the same cross over frequency? Usually I set my mixer at 80hz and then 70hz for the receiver to crossover to front speakers and sub but I don’t know if that is the correct connection or not. Please help. Thanks very much
On my new Onkyo TX-SR393 receiver I've st up speakers & calibration nowplease help me get to manual settings.when I select some obvious choices I'm continually shown "Not Available". ??
I've got a video request. Can you demonstrate whether amps sound different or not? Like, a receiver vs "high quality" amplifier? I guess you could get them playing at the same decibel point using pink noise, and then record some music or something and see if there is any sound difference? Because some people say a good amp will sound better, but I've heard that in reality all amps sound the same unless they are driven into clipping. Thanks man, love your videos.
My Yamaha RX-V673 receiver has only one crossover number you can set, so I guess I cannot achieve the overlap, correct? If so, I assume I would use the lower crossover point. Does that make the subwoofer have too little range?
I've experienced the same thing. Moderate home theater setup with a Sony Atmos receiver, and full Energy Connoisseur setup. LRC are CC-10's, LH & RH are CB-10's, LR RR are CB-20's and there's 3 CSW-C8 subs. All the main speakers are 60-20k, and 92db. I've tried all sorts of crossover points, and it sounds really nice at the THX 80hz, but I've got them all set at 70hz and 0db which surprisingly makes a considerable difference and the whole system sounds richer and fuller with certain effects and music that are being played in surround that would otherwise be subdued. The subs are at -5 but they've got a 97db efficiency, and I have effect/eq set to off and it all sounds pretty sweet regardless if it's a new Atmos movie, an old 5.1, or even stereo. Thanks for the video!
My receiver is a denon x4300h My speakers are all Polk signature speakers rated for 80 htz crossover. if I set all my speakers to small on a 9.2 setup and crossover at 80 with my subs on life. What do I set the subs cross over at.. is it 80 the same as speaker crossover or 60 or at 100 . So my basic question is where should I set my sub crossover. I’m running 4 subs 10” 400 watt but in fact 200 watt power. I’m confused so I’m general what do I do Thanks Barry Chapelle
When we adjust crossover accordingly, is there a point to set the avr for either small or large speakers? Audioholics recommends to set the 3 main speakers to small in a HT set-up.
01:50 LFE and bass management are not the same thing btw ! Im pretty sure you know this very well Techno Dad but its just the way you said it (phrased it) here sounded like bass management was for LFE or that crossover was for LFE. LFE is a channel on its own & as long as you have dedicated subwoofers taking in LFE input from AVR/Processors that is it as far as LFE is concerned, nothing to do with crossovers & the other speakers. Bass management on the other hand is handing over lower frequencies to subwoofers that the main speakers might not be able to produce at all or might struggle to produce without distorting, and as we all know crossover is the cutoff point for this "handing over" of lower frequencies from the main speakers to the subwoofer. PS: Not trying to be a wise-ass, but thought this clarification is important.
I knew they were different too, and the most confusing part to me was the discussion about the overlap (80 Hz cross over to 120 Hz LFE low pass filter). It's not a real overlap, since the LFE channel is distinct from anything that crosses over via bass management. 🙂 Edit: I watched that portion again and yes it does make sense to say "overlap" as both the sub and mains output something between 80-120Hz. My mind was just looking for the distinction between LFE vs cross over, i.e. they (sub and mains) do not redundantly output the same sound.
A lot of av reciever needs to simplify this thing just use crossover for the surround speakers and let the sub handles from where that were set to cut off giving people who dont know much about crossover is gonna screw things up real bad specially on the sub
My speakers are 8” Polk in ceiling and an in ceiling center channel. I found I had to raise crossover to 100 or 120 to correct muffle sound. Should I start over and do something different to make the crossover closer to 80?
WOW I always used 80 Hz on my home theater 7.1 system. After watching your video, I reset the crossover to 60Hz. The whole rome seem to come alive. I think crossover should be set, according to the equipment being used. All my speakers are in the ceiling, except the center channel and subwoofer. Thanks again for the good advice.
@Techno Dad In my 7.1setup 5 Satellite speakers have frequency response is 160hz to 20khz and 2 bookshelf speakers(Front left and right) have frequency response 55hz to 20khz. During YPAO calibration the crossover sets to 80HZ I think it's wrong. I seek your advice.🙏🙏🙏
Hi! I have a yamaha 771 and the dali Zensor 7 front and centre speakers. I've just bought the dali e12f subwoofer. I see that the speakers goes down to 40hz and the central reaches 47hz. So i was thinking to set the front speakers to "large" the centre one to "small" and the sw to 70hz. Im trying not to push the speakers so much, im afraid of damage them, even though I don't use the volume very high. Anyone who has an opinion I'll appreciate it! Thanks! Great video.
I have JBL tower front speakers and Velodyn SPL Ultra sub. My receiver is Yamaha RX-A1050. I have set all the speakers to small. Mains crossover to 60Hz and sub to direct so that the bass management is handled by the Receiver. Is that the correct setting for the sub. Previously one of the technicians set the sub to 80Hz together with all the speakers.
I have an all-Q Acoustics 3020 (7 units) and 3010 (4 units) 7.1.4 set-up and freq resp of the Qs are 64 Hz to 22 kHz... All this while my Denon X4400H crossover was set to 80 Hz... Tried to set down to 70 Hz but the Denon has crossovers of 40 Hz, 60 Hz, 80 Hz, 90 Hz, 100 Hz, 110 Hz, 120 Hz, 150 Hz, 200 Hz and 250 Hz... Due to these Denon crossovers, I have to stick to 80 Hz and unable to set the crossover lower to 65 Hz or 70 Hz or 75 Hz and find out how it feels and sounds ... 😥
@@TechnoDad Also running q acoustics (4 towers sub, centre and 2 bookshelf for heights (atmos) I'm intrigued by this as I'm a pure novice even though I've had an avr for 20 odd years. I've always run at 80hz because "they said so" Any advice on the height frequency? My dopey amp sets every speaker to 120hz and large , I manually change everything to 80hz and small. Cheers pal.
@Peder Hansen Cheers mate, the confusion is that my avr sets everything to 120hz and large (my previous yamaha was had better judgement) I've now adjusted my heights on your advice and I've left my other 5 at 80hz and small. Thank you for the advice.
I was never convinced in the frequency cut in 80hz for the front speakers, with his suggestion and thought, completely removed my doubt, I adjusted in 80rz, since they go down well until 42hz. I also dare house music, jazz ...
Great rundown. I only really absorb a little of the home theatre knowledge at a time but its funny how even your interpretations of what experts or "so-called UA-cam Experts" say that may be taken in a subjective way. Your explanation of how audio is subjective made me realize people who talk about audio being subjective isn't meant to say how we interpret it subjectively only, but also the environment and other factors that produce the subjective results. I particularly found it interesting his you mentioned how direct the speaker is with your ear that can influence what range of frequencies you want to consider when making adjustments. To tie it all in you mention the multiple drivers in each cone which really outlined my confusion as I used to judge the crossover mostly by the size of the outside of the speaker.
Hi! Yes, there are lots of factors that contribute to the subjective nature of this hobby. Another thing I didn't mention in this video is that I run power amplifiers for all my speakers. So when I have a speaker that can go down to 30Hz, my amplifier has no problems giving that extra juice for the speakers to handle the low frequencies in that range. If you are running an AVR only, it may be difficult for the AVR to provide extra power for those lower frequencies. My college and I created a new Home Theater product, and in this product, we dedicated a section on finding the correct Crossover Point for your speakers. This is specifically for a Dolby Atmos setup and it is based on what you hear through your system. Might make this topic easier to figure out - ua-cam.com/video/fM4qu8s3F3k/v-deo.html
I have a speakerset with 45-20.000 and An active subwoofer...I use the Legend album of Bonfire at Deezer to setup. I put the crossover at 120. For me this sounds great...but did I do IT correct? My volume is in the middle.
where do you set the crossover freq ? at the SW ? The other channels don't care about the setting for the SW. So is it at the receiver/amp ? I don't think there's a frequency cutoff setting, or is there ?
Hi Techo Dad, thought you'd like to know that the bass management in most AVR's sets the subwoofer LPF based on the crossover setting of the main channels HPF setting even if the mains are set to large. The 120Hz LFE LPF setting is independent of this setting. The sub out gets a summed response of bass from the LFE channel with the other bass managed channels. In 2CH Mode if you have your mains set small at 80Hz the bass integrates to the sub at 80Hz as well independent of the LFE LPF setting. I usually recommend always leaving the LFE setting to 120Hz to not truncate any bass that the director intended in the multi-ch movie mix. The HPF of a THX bass management scheme is actually 12dB/oct while the LPF is 24dB/oct. I believe you said the HPF was 24db/oct. The reason for this is THX originally speced sealed satellite speakers which have a natural rolloff of 12dB/oct so when combined with the sub channel, you should get a perfect blend, in theory. Theory vs reality is much different however. 80Hz is still a good global Xover setting for the bass managed sub output especially if you want to take advantage of the modal averaging benefits of multi-sub across multiple seats. If you set the crossover lower to feed the main channels more bass, you lose this benefit. Alternatively you can run your mains large and set the crossover to 80Hz for the main channels but then you have to deal with the potential of too much bass in the transition region between the mains and the subs. EQ can help this. Overall 80Hz is still the best and most system compatible crossover setting for 95% of installs IMO. That said, I don't follow my own advice in my primary theater system as I deploy more advanced bass management since I also route LFE to my mains but in my other systems I use 80Hz. Hope this helps.
Wise words from the bass-a-holic himself. Thanks Gene! I was wanting to get your insight on multi-sub placement. I’ve got a lot of people wanting me to make a video about it and I figure you’re one of the experts in that area.
Audioholics hello I would like to know should I set my dB meter to 70 or 80db to get 75 or 85 and if it is 75 should I set my crossover to 70 am not sure if it have 75 same with 85 it just say 70, 80 and 120 I think
After watching this bro I changed my bic pl 980 tower speakers that can go as low as 22hz to 50hz from 80hz dammmm what a big difference it improves a lot.. then my center channel bic pl 28 with 2 8 woofers and 6 and half tweeter from 80hz to 70hz man watching underworld makes a big difference...thank u bro ur the best 😘
Techno Dad I’ve been watching all ur videos and it helps me a lot..this particular video answered all my questions regarding my huge tower 3 way tower speakers: BIC ACOUSTECH PL 980 👌
I need help on my set up please, I bought in a entry level Yamaha YHT 3072 5.1 av receiver along with the Taga TAV 506 v.2 and a subwoofer TAV 90 v.4, all I want to know is what crossover frequency do I set up on the av receiver and what Crossover frequency do I set up on the subwoofer, I'm using a LFE cable to link the sub to the av receiver... Thanks.
THX chose 80hz because it's the point where most find bass not localized. If you measure the response seat to seat the modal frequencies are all over the place. If you know how to properly place and align multiple subs you're seat to seat response will be very similar. This means letting the subs handle as much as possible gives a more accurate response for more seats. Also most have to sit near the rear wall. If you can sit at least 3.5' (1/4 wavelength of 80hz) or a tad more away from the rear wall you give rears room to image but also the rear wall SBIR null (where reflection interacts with direct causing a null ) can be avoided with an 80hz crossover as you're crossing to subs above the the SBIR frequency so the null is fixed. Sitting closer or using a lower crossover brings the null back into the repsonse. If the subs are properly setup and confirmed via response measurements this should always give a superior experience. If you use one sub as it seems is being done here every seat will vary greatly and letting mains handle more may sound better as the sub setup needs work. For those that don't know how to align subs for a similar response at all seats then sure experiment with crossover points. But there is a very good reason THX chose it.
in the real world application it sounds fuller and better when you let your mains play down to the 60s, 50s and 40s The sound front stage comes alive so take it with a pinch of salt but what you experience and what the "Norm" is are two different things..
Great explanations I’m considering buying the mono price monolith 3 Channel LCR in wall speakers. I can’t decide between the ones that have 4 woofers versus 2 woofers. I’m setting up a home theater - 3800 cubic feet. I have two RSL sub woofers. Do I need the extra woofers in the LCRs
I'm running Klipsch 8 ohm speakers on an Onkyo rz830 that is supposed to run anything from 4ohms to 16ohms.But when I go to speaker configuration it only offers me a 4 ohm or 6 ohm choice. How can I manually switch to 8 ohms and will it harm the Klipsch 8 ohm speakers to run them at 6 ohms?Im running rb61ii's for front L&R,an rc62ii for center,and rb51ii's for front high L&R and back surround L&R.
On my caseI have SVS pinnacles tower speakers and svs prime center and two SVS prime bookshelf speakers with two SVS prime satellites with prime elevation speakers, what should my cross over setting should be?. Thanks
Ok my Amp has a global crossover. Yamaha RX-Z9. I have RF-7ii RC-64ii and RS-62. The options that I have is 40hz 60 hz or 80hz. I have the PB-4000 and a Klipsch. R-115 in back. Do you think 60 Hz is to low for the Center ? Again I have a Global crossover
I noticed that my sub was not doing much and everything was being handled by towers. Seen on another video always set to small speakers first even with towers.
That's silly ,why would you buy floorstanders and then make them act like bookshelves?why not buy bookshelves! Setting floorstanders to full range (which they are) is not only logical but it gives you a better sound lol
Brothers i am experiencing too much base from my sub. Gain is 12 clock. And Low pass filter knob is set to LFE on my klipsch R12 and level of that sub is set to -10db. And rest all speakers ( main are tower speakers) are set on 80hz. Dont know why but there is too much bass. Should i keep Low filter knob to 80hz? I want to get rid of that boomy bass. My avr is yamaha A2A Towers are polk signatures S20
On SVS PB-2000pro sub, on the SVS app can I set 120 Hz on the app or do I have to change it in the Yamaha RX-6VA receiver ? Or set it to 120hz on the app and receiver? Kef Q550 and SVS PB-2000pro with Yamaha RX-6VA receiver 2.1 set up
That will have the towers play until the naturally roll off. It can work with some that can handle bass in the lower registers, but some movies might make them sweat a little.
I have the kilpsh bookshelf r51m And they are ready at 62 hz so that means I would have to put it at 70? Also my klipsh r34c Are rated at 82 hz so I would put them at 90? Still trying to learn the terminology
For people with cheaper systems even though the towers may play low you may not want to push low frequencies through them because it will take away from the clarity of the mids and highs plus it would be sucking power from the receiver unnecessarily. The sub can better produce the low frequencies over the towers. I usually hand off at 120 hz if there is no mid bass drivers on the towers.
Thank you for the information. What I got out of this video we need towho what are our speakers frequency can handle also. Larger or tower speakers. I have Bose 601 series 1 speakers for my front. They are very big and very old. Would I consider those tower or large speakers?
I am looking at two SVS subs, the PB4000 and SB16 Ultra. The specs. say there ranges are 16-200hz and 16-460hz. What I don't understand is why list such a high range if the sub will never get there ?
Hey i changed my Klipsch RP 280f to Large which made a big difference in my sound, my music is much fuller. I had to lower my sub levels but i LOVE the change. Great video Thank you.
Will setting different speakers all connected to the same system at totally different crossover frequencies mesh together and actually sound good or will it have sounds all over the place?.
My front and centre speakers roll of at 40 hrtz and sub from 50 herts....it sounds amazing low end wise ...mids n tops clear and crisp...totally works for me
What crossover would you recommend for Def Tech Pro Cinema 600 series speakers? They say 120hz is the recommend crossover, but I'm wondering what would happen if i set it at 80hz or 100hz? I'm rolling with dual PB-2000's for my subs. Thanks!
I have a pair of paradigm monitor 7v6s and matching center channel...They all can go well below 80hz, but I was told that it was better to leave them at 80s as my Yamaha receiver is sort of mid class and may not have enough power to play the bass frequencies on the paradigms.....Does this make sense to you?
HI I have Canton movie 75 ,5.1 speakers, set at 80hz on Denon x3700, is this good for these speakers, canton says frequency range 120-2500hz and crossover frequency 5hz
I have the Polk S15 bookshelf speakers mounted on the wall beside the TV and Pold S10 speakers as my surround back speakers. I also have the S35 Polk center speaker and have a Klipsch 12" sub. What would you set the crossovers for on all the speakers and also the sub? Thanks, Scott
Which AVR are you using? I have the Denon X4400H and have run into the same issues. I'm running my center at 100hz and or 120hz, I will change on the fly at times. If you are running a newer Denon unit, part of the Audyssey setup is Dynamic Volume, try turning that off. If not a Denon, get into the settings and look for anything that messes with the volume or sound, Dynamic this or that, anything that messes with volume or sound levels, disable it. Then channel levels, you should be able to adjust those, I bump down my L/R channels and boost the sound on my center, as that helps. But look for those settings I mentioned above, you may have to break out your manual to correct your center channel. And 250hz should not hurt your speaker. You have other issues. Also, make sure your center, actually all of your speakers are set to SMALL. You may have that center set to LARGE and are passing the entire frequency range through it, the reason why setting at 250hz sounds better. Check that too.
I did the same with center to 250 but they are ceiling speakers and 80 is muffled with 80 and even 100. The front speakers I changed to 120. They are 8” polk but too much bass when set at 90. My ceilings are all Polk and I have 10” Polk psw sub.
i bought an onkyo txnr686 i got the set up done and started playing the movie fast seven on bluray as it was playing i noticed that the sound cuts off on some scenes, is that the movie? the receiver does not flicker in any way at all, i have it playing it on sony x700 do you think is my player? anything would help thank you..
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Since your still testing the PB4000, you should do a comparison with RCA subwoofer cable. From super expensive one, to affordable.
Techno dad i dont know what reciever u are using but do u know you can set your speakers to small and still cross them over to what ever point you want them at?
I don't think that will make a huge difference honestly.
@Chriswell, yup!
@@TechnoDad ok cool because setting your speakers to small doesnt really mean they are small its for just telling the av wat to do with the rest of the bass frequency
Man, after daaaaays of trying to figure out why the sound was so crappy on my new Wharfdale towers, I came across your video and made the settings make so much more sense! All of a sudden I can hear details again! Thank you!!!!
i can't believe that there's any dislikes, i mean come on guys. This guy is the real deal and knows what he's talking about.
Thanks Alex!! Haters always going to hate!
he knows a lot he is the real deal,
@@TechnoDad i’m still working on trying to figure out what the perfect crossover would be for Bowers and Wilkins 805 D3 speakers. Any feedback you could give me would be helpful
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This is really an issue that never seems to go away. Unfortunately many people, myself included fell into the trap of using the recommended 80 hz crossover for all the speakers. I didn't know much about speaker frequency response capability except it was an number in the speaker specs. Like many I purchased speakers based on recommendations from friends and reading reviews; ditto receivers. Needless to say I've wasted a lot of money. Since watching you guys on your daily podcast I have become more knowledgeable. I subscribed to your channel and came across this video. It was truly a great find. My system which consists of ML 60xts, 50xt and FX surrounds with a Polk 10 inch Sub with the FL, FR , FC set to 60 Hz and the FXs left at 80hz has really opened up the sound to the point I sat in amazement when playing my favorite go to CD which is the 1812 Overture on Mercury Living Presence with all the bells, cannon shots, etc. and the Hobbit - Battle of Five Armies movie. BTW my AVR is the Marantz SR7013 with the Emotiva BASX 2 driving the FCR speakers leaving the sub and surrounds to the Marantz (which really had a problem driving the ML 60xts despite what their specs said, that is another story). This is a long post but thank you. Perhaps this is a topic you guys should revisit on your daily podcasts.
When THX came up
with the 80Hz standard it was over 25 years ago.
Speakers have improved dramatically since then. Test and listen for yourself to see what’s best for your system
and don’t forget the Surrounds.
Every video of yours is detailed and of professional level. Your way of mixing humour with the facts, is what makes the viewers keen on listening to you, without making them bored. I appreciate your efforts. Thanks and keep going.
Thank you!
I think you're 100% correct that it's all subjective and everyone's room is going to sound different. The size of the room, placement of the speakers, and listening distance are all factors that contribute to how the sound is going to change in any given situation. Tweaking to find what sounds best in your room is part of the enjoyment of the hobby (IMHO).
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well my sound system has perfect sound reproduction and my subwoofer crossover is at 64Hz and my subwoofer doesn't make any sounds at the 90Hz frequency perfect sound is not subjective
@@patk2225 I still think "perfect" is subjective though.
well said
It's refreshing to see a video keeping an open mind about crossovers and not just saying "Set crossover on all your speakers to 80Hz. Period." like so many out there. Especially when it comes to the center channel.
Just wanted to say thank you for the tips in this video. I adjusted my crossovers and it made a world of difference. You were definitely correct. I did get a much fuller and even sounding bass from my speakers, especially with fronts. Please keep making videos. I thoroughly enjoy your channel.
For about 10 years I had no idea about crossover frequency settings (I'm 26 but I'm the tech guy in my family lol). I'm going to have to play around with our set up. What did you end up choosing as crossovers for your speakers?
I am just getting back into home theater, and this video and others on your channel have helped tremendously. Thanks.
You're VERY welcome Vimal! Thank you for watching!
Agreed, I am not an expert at home Theatre systems but I have been learning a lot from Techno Dad's videos... The guy really knows his stuff.
I have the Klipsch R-26F, and I used the John Wick club scene as my demo as well. I believe I landed at 60hz for these speakers. I had the towers set to large for months, but after making this change I notice a huge difference in quality.
Nice Brian! Thank you for sharing your experience!
I've been enjoying my Klipsch RF 820s with my SVS SB 4000. Watched over 50 4k movies. Finally got around to using REW. Found I had a big dip at 42 hz despite the great bass. Had to adjust one of the DSP and put it out of phase. Now I'm in heaven all over again 😁
Glad I found this video, cause I’ve been kind of scratching my head about this very topic. Great review!!
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
@@TechnoDad thank you again.
I agree 100%. For my Klipsch 8000F's I have two crossover presets on my Yamaha Aventage Receiver, one for movies @ 60hz, and one for music at @ 40hz. After listening for quite some time I have settled on these settings and could not be happier.
NICE!!!
Even in the Subwoofer range, as frequency goes up, the beams or directionality of the speaker becomes more directional. At lower frequencies, sound tends to sound Omni-Directional or all directional. At above 80hz, the bass sound starts to become more directional. That is, instead of coming from everywhere, it seems to be coming from a specific direction. Now this is a steady process, the higher the frequency, the more you can determine the direction the sound is coming from. Under 80hz, the sound tends to be coming from everywhere which is what you want for Sub-Bass for Movies, and even for Music.
I usually follow SVS's guideline of double what your speaker is rated {eg. 40Hz rating set to 80 75Hz set to 150} Seems to be a good starting point then get closer to actual rating of speakers.
That's a good way to look at it!
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I had my sub at 80 along with my speakers. I experimented a bit with it at lfe but the localization ruined it for me. I split the difference at 100 hz and it's amazing. Just trust your ears.
Running:
Yamaha aventage 3080
Klipsch 280fs
Klipsch 240s
Klipsch 440c
Klipsch r 115sw
Going to now start experimenting my front stage. Good call.
Nice Wyatt! Let me know how it goes!
Wyatt King, smartest analyzation I’ve ever heard. “Trust your ears.” I’ve always done that too. Same thing when setting speaker level. I have hearing loss in my left ear. Setting the left channels a bit higher balance everything out for me. It may not be great for others in the room with perfect hearing, but it’s my equipment and I paid for it.
I love experimenting with the crossovers, I run 11.2.2 including a 4-way B&W HTM centre, and 12" tower mains, 10"&15" subwoofers, 6.5" everywhere else. I have the 15" sealed velodyne set around 40hz, it moves a lot of air that you feel on your pants its such a nice boost in extension into the sub frequencies. My 10" audio research is ported so its got a punch in the higher 80hz area and i have it set to 90hz. The mains and heights set to large 40hz highpass they sweeten everything at a flat but very full response throughout the entire frequency sweep. the centre although 4-way doesnt have much bass output lower than around 100hz despite its size, its set to 100. Then i have the crossover for the Low frequency extension setting that sends subwoofer signal to the mains as well as the subwoofer, its set to 150hz which seems to sound better.giving all the bass to the mains as well.
I've seen a fair amount of your videos and after this one, I have a greater appreciation for you T.D. Keep on, keeping on.
Thank you so much, Mike!
I like your video! It's refreshing to hear advice telling people to to try out different settings to see what sounds best for their unique setup, rather than pretending to know something specific about something with so many variables. I loved how you described your process, particularly how you explained why you chose the test clip that you did. Great information. My 5.2.4 Atmos setup in the family room is set at 80Hz because it sounds best with my Boston HS-40 surrounds and height speakers. My 5.1 in the man cave, however, is set at 60Hz because it sounds fuller with my Infinity Sterling SS-03 speakers. The right crossover point really does depend upon speaker size and placement, and room size and acoustics. New fan of your channel! Thank you!
Hello Drake, and welcome! I am a music producer and DJ, so I play around with frequencies all the time when mixing music. There are times where you just have to trust your ears. You said it yourself, there are too many variables and making a broad statement about what it should be set to is a difficult thing.
I just ordered the Definitely technology Cs9080 Center Speaker, That Center Speaker is know for its 8" built in subwoofer, But I already have 2 Svs Subwoofers, Should I run the CS 9080 Center Speaker Small or Large to take advantage of the Subwoofer?
Great Video! I leave all my settings at 80hz/Atmos at 100hz plus lfe at 120hz dual 12" DB12 subs & sounds perfect for me, all depends on what you like & what equipment you are using. My Fluance Signature series towers going down at 35hz.
2.0 for music i change to full band without the dual subs.
Nice!!!
Hi 👋 Dear, I watched your video, But I need a better tone, midrange more for my listening stereo music. I have Parasound Pre P6 , Power A21 + , speakers RP 8000 F. I very comfortable with this setup now, but I need more tribe, midrange, can you advise which separate pair of cross over can I buy it which brand should I get one ☝️ How it can be connected in my pre amp and power amp. I need more low frequencies. Please advise waiting for your reply thanks 🙏.
I was taught a simple safe way to set a subwoofer was to set it at the low end frequency of your main channel speakers. So if your mains low end is 120 set your sub at 120. It Works and my system sound great to me. 🎵🎵 Thanx for the info
Right on John!
I have a question, on my 5.1 AV receiver I set front, center and surround to small, front crossover set on 80 Hz and center and surround set on 120 Hz (here I am not sure if I made the right choice). How to set my surround and center speaker crossover if in speaker specification say that: center and surround frequency range 150 Hz-20.000 Hz? 80 - 120 Hz isn't too low if the frequency range of the speakers is between 150-20,000 Hz?
FYI, I've disconnected my subs from the floor with shock platforms usually used for say, monitors or guitar amps on risers. This allows them to move a bit and direct more sound into the listening area, and less into the carpeted floor. Huge difference after tuning!!
Nice! I always decouple my subwoofer from the floor. I even do that with my center channel. I also do that in my music studio with monitors and my large Marshall tube combo. I have found a product that will do the same for speakers but it's pricey. I need to make a video on them soon!
@@TechnoDad Channa,
This may be off topic here. I'm an acoustic and electric guitarist now that I've semi-retired. Mo time, mo music. :-)
I have software to slow tracks maintaining pitch, changing keys, altered tunings, etc, for learning to play new stuff. But I'd like to improve my software arsenal for recording.
As you know, many recorded versions of songs have two or three guitars which you have to combine into fewer instruments for a live performance--unless you have the rare luxury of three guitarists!
True, combining parts is learning event that increases knowledge and promotes a better sound, but it can be tedious.
I'd like to play the different parts myself and mix them. I'd have to add some percussion and base, etc.
Do you think one platform, say Apple has the best music apps?
It's amazing that we can afford software and hardware that used to cost hundreds of thousands of bucks and took up half a room. :-)
Is there a better place to get your thoughts? Thx!!!
I was really impressed when you said 'john wick is here' your point was made clearly sir.
Maybe you can explain this issue I'm having to me. I have a fairly quality HT setup and just entered the world of prepro. It's a little older but I am now using a Marantz AV 8802a. I have set all my speakers to small, LFE + Main, crossed over at 80hz for the speakers and 120hz for the subs. Now here's the problematic part. When I have 1 subwoofer engaged in the processor, the speakers are producing bass as they should, yet if I engage 2 subs in the processor, something changes drastically and in a less then desirable way. It's as if every ounce of bass has been removed from the speakers and sent to the subs. It makes things sound super lean. It is even more noticable if I go and manually turn the subwoofers volumes down so that I can hear how the speakers are actually performing. Any insight you could give would be much appreciated. Thanks
Your the man techno dad I tried it on my polk tower speakers which can go down to 40 Hz set my ROTEL processor mains to 60 Hz and left my center and surrounds at 80Hz and set subwoofer at 120Hz and made a big difference to bass performance over the recommended ROTEL default settings which was 100Hz.
Nice Shaun! I'm glad it worked out for you!
I have the leviton aeh50-bl jbl system 3.5" satellite speakers with 150Hz - 20Hz response. What would be the best crossover setting?
Your satellite speakers are rated at 150Hz-20Khz, your subwoofer is rated at 150Hz down to 35Hz. So if you're able to set the crossover in your receiver, set your main speakers to small and then set their crossover to 150 or 160Hz, that way anything under 150Hz, your subwoofer will naturally pick up and blend all the way down to 35Hz or close enough as the ratings and RMS on those arent that great, but it should still work. Being that your satellite speakers (mains, not subwoofer) bottom out at 150hz, you do not want to set them to 80Hz crossover and then crank the volume as you risk blowing the speakers.
@@smklvr69 thank you! I really appreciate it.
Hi have a question I have jbl studio 590 speaker what is the best settings for 2 channel only set to small are large
Thanks for the video. After 20 years I had to replace my receiver. I got at Onkyo & have Bose speaker set up. My previous receiver didn’t have this cross over stuff. Should I set ALL speakers at 80hz crossover? Or the LFE at 80 & the F S C at 100?? Please help.
In-room extension is always lower than the speaker's natural rolloff. I have found that in most rooms, given the typical slope of crossovers, your best setting will be a half-octave above the spec'd -3dB rolloff. So multiply the speaker's -3dB point by 1.5 and you will usually nail it, barring phase alignment issues.
Hi! Great tip, I'll check it out!
Thanks for sharing. I have a question i hook up a mixer for karaoke to a receiver so should the mixer and receiver be set at the same cross over frequency? Usually I set my mixer at 80hz and then 70hz for the receiver to crossover to front speakers and sub but I don’t know if that is the correct connection or not. Please help. Thanks very much
On my new Onkyo TX-SR393 receiver I've st up speakers & calibration nowplease help me get to manual settings.when I select some obvious choices I'm continually shown "Not Available". ??
Setting your crossover to about 10hz above where your speakers roll off (check the specs) is usually a good place to start. Thanks for the video.
Yup, agreed!
I've got a video request. Can you demonstrate whether amps sound different or not? Like, a receiver vs "high quality" amplifier? I guess you could get them playing at the same decibel point using pink noise, and then record some music or something and see if there is any sound difference? Because some people say a good amp will sound better, but I've heard that in reality all amps sound the same unless they are driven into clipping. Thanks man, love your videos.
When you are doing this to your speakers let's say the centre speaker do you disable all the other speakers❓
I bought an Onkyo receiver and it calibrated my Bose surround sound speakers to 40 hz. Can I change that setting to 80 hz?
My Yamaha RX-V673 receiver has only one crossover number you can set, so I guess I cannot achieve the overlap, correct? If so, I assume I would use the lower crossover point. Does that make the subwoofer have too little range?
I've experienced the same thing. Moderate home theater setup with a Sony Atmos receiver, and full Energy Connoisseur setup. LRC are CC-10's, LH & RH are CB-10's, LR RR are CB-20's and there's 3 CSW-C8 subs. All the main speakers are 60-20k, and 92db. I've tried all sorts of crossover points, and it sounds really nice at the THX 80hz, but I've got them all set at 70hz and 0db which surprisingly makes a considerable difference and the whole system sounds richer and fuller with certain effects and music that are being played in surround that would otherwise be subdued. The subs are at -5 but they've got a 97db efficiency, and I have effect/eq set to off and it all sounds pretty sweet regardless if it's a new Atmos movie, an old 5.1, or even stereo. Thanks for the video!
Totally agree with you on this.
The Audyssey XT32 does it all for you and more e.g. crossovers, channel levels, time delays and EQs and phasings.
Always learn something new from TD's channel because he knows what he's talking about! I like that. Great!! 👍
Thanks Rafael!
My receiver is a denon x4300h
My speakers are all Polk signature speakers rated for 80 htz crossover. if I set all my speakers to small on a 9.2 setup and crossover at 80 with my subs on life. What do I set the subs cross over at.. is it 80 the same as speaker crossover or 60 or at 100 . So my basic question is where should I set my sub crossover. I’m running 4 subs 10” 400 watt but in fact 200 watt power.
I’m confused so I’m general what do I do
Thanks
Barry Chapelle
When we adjust crossover accordingly, is there a point to set the avr for either small or large speakers? Audioholics recommends to set the 3 main speakers to small in a HT set-up.
01:50 LFE and bass management are not the same thing btw !
Im pretty sure you know this very well Techno Dad but its just the way you said it (phrased it) here sounded like bass management was for LFE or that crossover was for LFE.
LFE is a channel on its own & as long as you have dedicated subwoofers taking in LFE input from AVR/Processors that is it as far as LFE is concerned, nothing to do with crossovers & the other speakers.
Bass management on the other hand is handing over lower frequencies to subwoofers that the main speakers might not be able to produce at all or might struggle to produce without distorting, and as we all know crossover is the cutoff point for this "handing over" of lower frequencies from the main speakers to the subwoofer.
PS: Not trying to be a wise-ass, but thought this clarification is important.
Yeah, I get what you're saying and I do know the difference. Probably is a little confusing...maybe I'll make a video about the difference!
I knew they were different too, and the most confusing part to me was the discussion about the overlap (80 Hz cross over to 120 Hz LFE low pass filter). It's not a real overlap, since the LFE channel is distinct from anything that crosses over via bass management. 🙂
Edit: I watched that portion again and yes it does make sense to say "overlap" as both the sub and mains output something between 80-120Hz. My mind was just looking for the distinction between LFE vs cross over, i.e. they (sub and mains) do not redundantly output the same sound.
Thats why i like my emotiva xmc-1 preamp processor bass management
A lot of av reciever needs to simplify this thing just use crossover for the surround speakers and let the sub handles from where that were set to cut off giving people who dont know much about crossover is gonna screw things up real bad specially on the sub
So @@TechnoDad Do it please cause I still didn't get the difference.
My speakers are 8” Polk in ceiling and an in ceiling center channel. I found I had to raise crossover to 100 or 120 to correct muffle sound. Should I start over and do something different to make the crossover closer to 80?
WOW I always used 80 Hz on my home theater 7.1 system. After watching your video, I reset the crossover to 60Hz. The whole rome seem to come alive. I think crossover should be set, according to the equipment being used. All my speakers are in the ceiling, except the center channel and subwoofer. Thanks again for the good advice.
Thanks for sharing!
@Techno Dad In my 7.1setup 5 Satellite speakers have frequency response is 160hz to 20khz and 2 bookshelf speakers(Front left and right) have frequency response 55hz to 20khz. During YPAO calibration the crossover sets to 80HZ I think it's wrong. I seek your advice.🙏🙏🙏
Hi! I would go with the speaker’s lowest frequency, so 160 Hz
@@TechnoDad Thank you for your advice. I completely agree with you.💕💕💕
Hi!
I have a yamaha 771 and the dali Zensor 7 front and centre speakers. I've just bought the dali e12f subwoofer. I see that the speakers goes down to 40hz and the central reaches 47hz. So i was thinking to set the front speakers to "large" the centre one to "small" and the sw to 70hz. Im trying not to push the speakers so much, im afraid of damage them, even though I don't use the volume very high.
Anyone who has an opinion I'll appreciate it!
Thanks! Great video.
I have JBL tower front speakers and Velodyn SPL Ultra sub. My receiver is Yamaha RX-A1050. I have set all the speakers to small. Mains crossover to 60Hz and sub to direct so that the bass management is handled by the Receiver. Is that the correct setting for the sub. Previously one of the technicians set the sub to 80Hz together with all the speakers.
I have a p2200- pro what should the crossover point be on that?
I have an all-Q Acoustics 3020 (7 units) and 3010 (4 units) 7.1.4 set-up and freq resp of the Qs are 64 Hz to 22 kHz... All this while my Denon X4400H crossover was set to 80 Hz...
Tried to set down to 70 Hz but the Denon has crossovers of 40 Hz, 60 Hz, 80 Hz, 90 Hz, 100 Hz, 110 Hz, 120 Hz, 150 Hz, 200 Hz and 250 Hz...
Due to these Denon crossovers, I have to stick to 80 Hz and unable to set the crossover lower to 65 Hz or 70 Hz or 75 Hz and find out how it feels and sounds ... 😥
Well, you can always try the Qs at 60 and see how that sounds. You would just be letting the speakers roll off where they naturally roll off...
@@TechnoDad Thanks for the suggestion, man... Really appreciate your feedback!
@@TechnoDad
Also running q acoustics (4 towers sub, centre and 2 bookshelf for heights (atmos) I'm intrigued by this as I'm a pure novice even though I've had an avr for 20 odd years.
I've always run at 80hz because "they said so"
Any advice on the height frequency?
My dopey amp sets every speaker to 120hz and large , I manually change everything to 80hz and small.
Cheers pal.
@Peder Hansen
Cheers mate, the confusion is that my avr sets everything to 120hz and large (my previous yamaha was had better judgement)
I've now adjusted my heights on your advice and I've left my other 5 at 80hz and small.
Thank you for the advice.
I was never convinced in the frequency cut in 80hz for the front speakers, with his suggestion and thought, completely removed my doubt, I adjusted in 80rz, since they go down well until 42hz. I also dare house music, jazz ...
You are so cool. You are so helpful and I always learn so much from you. Keep doing what you’re doing bro.
Great rundown. I only really absorb a little of the home theatre knowledge at a time but its funny how even your interpretations of what experts or "so-called UA-cam Experts" say that may be taken in a subjective way. Your explanation of how audio is subjective made me realize people who talk about audio being subjective isn't meant to say how we interpret it subjectively only, but also the environment and other factors that produce the subjective results.
I particularly found it interesting his you mentioned how direct the speaker is with your ear that can influence what range of frequencies you want to consider when making adjustments. To tie it all in you mention the multiple drivers in each cone which really outlined my confusion as I used to judge the crossover mostly by the size of the outside of the speaker.
Hi! Yes, there are lots of factors that contribute to the subjective nature of this hobby. Another thing I didn't mention in this video is that I run power amplifiers for all my speakers. So when I have a speaker that can go down to 30Hz, my amplifier has no problems giving that extra juice for the speakers to handle the low frequencies in that range. If you are running an AVR only, it may be difficult for the AVR to provide extra power for those lower frequencies. My college and I created a new Home Theater product, and in this product, we dedicated a section on finding the correct Crossover Point for your speakers. This is specifically for a Dolby Atmos setup and it is based on what you hear through your system. Might make this topic easier to figure out - ua-cam.com/video/fM4qu8s3F3k/v-deo.html
I have a speakerset with 45-20.000 and An active subwoofer...I use the Legend album of Bonfire at Deezer to setup. I put the crossover at 120. For me this sounds great...but did I do IT correct? My volume is in the middle.
where do you set the crossover freq ? at the SW ? The other channels don't care about the setting for the SW. So is it at the receiver/amp ? I don't think there's a frequency cutoff setting, or is there ?
Hi Techo Dad, thought you'd like to know that the bass management in most AVR's sets the subwoofer LPF based on the crossover setting of the main channels HPF setting even if the mains are set to large. The 120Hz LFE LPF setting is independent of this setting. The sub out gets a summed response of bass from the LFE channel with the other bass managed channels. In 2CH Mode if you have your mains set small at 80Hz the bass integrates to the sub at 80Hz as well independent of the LFE LPF setting. I usually recommend always leaving the LFE setting to 120Hz to not truncate any bass that the director intended in the multi-ch movie mix.
The HPF of a THX bass management scheme is actually 12dB/oct while the LPF is 24dB/oct. I believe you said the HPF was 24db/oct. The reason for this is THX originally speced sealed satellite speakers which have a natural rolloff of 12dB/oct so when combined with the sub channel, you should get a perfect blend, in theory. Theory vs reality is much different however. 80Hz is still a good global Xover setting for the bass managed sub output especially if you want to take advantage of the modal averaging benefits of multi-sub across multiple seats. If you set the crossover lower to feed the main channels more bass, you lose this benefit.
Alternatively you can run your mains large and set the crossover to 80Hz for the main channels but then you have to deal with the potential of too much bass in the transition region between the mains and the subs. EQ can help this. Overall 80Hz is still the best and most system compatible crossover setting for 95% of installs IMO. That said, I don't follow my own advice in my primary theater system as I deploy more advanced bass management since I also route LFE to my mains but in my other systems I use 80Hz. Hope this helps.
Wise words from the bass-a-holic himself. Thanks Gene! I was wanting to get your insight on multi-sub placement. I’ve got a lot of people wanting me to make a video about it and I figure you’re one of the experts in that area.
@@TechnoDad sure man, we do have several videos on that topic but I'd be happy to be a guest sometime on your show if you like.
That sounds like a great idea! I’ll shoot you an email.
Audioholics hello I would like to know should I set my dB meter to 70 or 80db to get 75 or 85 and if it is 75 should I set my crossover to 70 am not sure if it have 75 same with 85 it just say 70, 80 and 120 I think
What about when you have speakers like the Canton movie 165 series were the speakers only work from 120hz?
Then set those to 120Hz. This is mainly for tower speakers that go lower than 80Hz.
@Techno Dad has always solutions for Any confusion..🙏🙏🙏
Thank you!
Hi my front speaker is 30 hz and my center is 57 hz . How much must be my sub level? 50 or 80. Please help
After watching this bro I changed my bic pl 980 tower speakers that can go as low as 22hz to 50hz from 80hz dammmm what a big difference it improves a lot.. then my center channel bic pl 28 with 2 8 woofers and 6 and half tweeter from 80hz to 70hz man watching underworld makes a big difference...thank u bro ur the best 😘
You're welcome Jose, thank you for sharing your experience!
Techno Dad I’ve been watching all ur videos and it helps me a lot..this particular video answered all my questions regarding my huge tower 3 way tower speakers: BIC ACOUSTECH PL 980 👌
Awesome! So good to hear!
my center speaker fq 47-30 Dali Opticon MK2 wich fq you recomend for my center speaker ??
Thanks Techno Dad this vid really helped me understand about crossovers so many thanks and keep on going
I need help on my set up please,
I bought in a entry level Yamaha YHT 3072 5.1 av receiver along with the Taga TAV 506 v.2 and a subwoofer TAV 90 v.4, all I want to know is what crossover frequency do I set up on the av receiver and what Crossover frequency do I set up on the subwoofer, I'm using a LFE cable to link the sub to the av receiver... Thanks.
THX chose 80hz because it's the point where most find bass not localized. If you measure the response seat to seat the modal frequencies are all over the place. If you know how to properly place and align multiple subs you're seat to seat response will be very similar. This means letting the subs handle as much as possible gives a more accurate response for more seats.
Also most have to sit near the rear wall. If you can sit at least 3.5' (1/4 wavelength of 80hz) or a tad more away from the rear wall you give rears room to image but also the rear wall SBIR null (where reflection interacts with direct causing a null ) can
be avoided with an 80hz crossover as you're crossing to subs above the the SBIR frequency so the null is fixed. Sitting closer or using a lower crossover brings the null back into the repsonse.
If the subs are properly setup and confirmed via response measurements this should always give a superior experience. If you use one sub as it seems is being done here every seat will vary greatly and letting mains handle more may sound better as the sub setup needs work.
For those that don't know how to align subs for a similar response at all seats then sure experiment with crossover points. But there is a very good reason THX chose it.
in the real world application it sounds fuller and better when you let your mains play down to the 60s, 50s and 40s The sound front stage comes alive so take it with a pinch of salt but what you experience and what the "Norm" is are two different things..
Great explanations I’m considering buying the mono price monolith 3 Channel LCR in wall speakers. I can’t decide between the ones that have 4 woofers versus 2 woofers. I’m setting up a home theater - 3800 cubic feet. I have two RSL sub woofers. Do I need the extra woofers in the LCRs
I'm running Klipsch 8 ohm speakers on an Onkyo rz830 that is supposed to run anything from 4ohms to 16ohms.But when I go to speaker configuration it only offers me a 4 ohm or 6 ohm choice. How can I manually switch to 8 ohms and will it harm the Klipsch 8 ohm speakers to run them at 6 ohms?Im running rb61ii's for front L&R,an rc62ii for center,and rb51ii's for front high L&R and back surround L&R.
On my caseI have SVS pinnacles tower speakers and svs prime center and two SVS prime bookshelf speakers with two SVS prime satellites with prime elevation speakers, what should my cross over setting should be?. Thanks
Ok my Amp has a global crossover. Yamaha RX-Z9. I have RF-7ii RC-64ii and RS-62. The options that I have is 40hz 60 hz or 80hz. I have the PB-4000 and a Klipsch. R-115 in back. Do you think 60 Hz is to low for the Center ? Again I have a Global crossover
My bookshelf (rear surrounds) goes down upto 55 hz. Is it okay if i set them to 70 hz crossover?
I noticed that my sub was not doing much and everything was being handled by towers. Seen on another video always set to small speakers first even with towers.
That's silly ,why would you buy floorstanders and then make them act like bookshelves?why not buy bookshelves! Setting floorstanders to full range (which they are) is not only logical but it gives you a better sound lol
@@shaundavidssd set them to large now as sub is broken svs is more bang for buck but rel is also good. The old one was 300w so can't go lower.
My floorstands are lows 26hz capable can i set to 40 or 60hz? What happens if it is my denon x1400h 7.2 avr, is my avr capable?
Brothers i am experiencing too much base from my sub. Gain is 12 clock. And Low pass filter knob is set to LFE on my klipsch R12 and level of that sub is set to -10db.
And rest all speakers ( main are tower speakers) are set on 80hz.
Dont know why but there is too much bass. Should i keep Low filter knob to 80hz?
I want to get rid of that boomy bass.
My avr is yamaha A2A
Towers are polk signatures S20
On SVS PB-2000pro sub, on the SVS app can I set 120 Hz on the app or do I have to change it in the Yamaha RX-6VA receiver ? Or set it to 120hz on the app and receiver? Kef Q550 and SVS PB-2000pro with Yamaha RX-6VA receiver 2.1 set up
What about setting the towers to FULL BAND? How would that work ?
That will have the towers play until the naturally roll off. It can work with some that can handle bass in the lower registers, but some movies might make them sweat a little.
Is there a minimum setting above the speakers lower rating that is recommended to set the sub-woofers crossover? Thank you.
I have the kilpsh bookshelf r51m And they are ready at 62 hz so that means I would have to put it at 70? Also my klipsh r34c Are rated at 82 hz so I would put them at 90? Still trying to learn the terminology
Hey man, can you make a video elaborating about having two subwoofers / dual / stereo subwoofer? Thanks
For people with cheaper systems even though the towers may play low you may not want to push low frequencies through them because it will take away from the clarity of the mids and highs plus it would be sucking power from the receiver unnecessarily. The sub can better produce the low frequencies over the towers. I usually hand off at 120 hz if there is no mid bass drivers on the towers.
Thank you for the information. What I got out of this video we need towho what are our speakers frequency can handle also. Larger or tower speakers. I have Bose 601 series 1 speakers for my front. They are very big and very old. Would I consider those tower or large speakers?
I am looking at two SVS subs, the PB4000 and SB16 Ultra. The specs. say there ranges are 16-200hz and 16-460hz. What I don't understand is why list such a high range if the sub will never get there ?
Hey i changed my Klipsch RP 280f to Large which made a big difference in my sound, my music is much fuller. I had to lower my sub levels but i LOVE the change.
Great video Thank you.
Awesome!
It makes sense to let the sub handle bass. A proper sub will take the stress off small satellites and do it better.
If you have good towers that play low you will notice the difference at 50hz set on the towers. It is night and day
What about for music ? I have the Klipsch RP 280s 2 8" x 4.
I have the Klipsch RP 280s in the front and set them to large, my music sounds so much better. I had to turn my subs down a little bit.
Will setting different speakers all connected to the same system at totally different crossover frequencies mesh together and actually sound good or will it have sounds all over the place?.
It should sound cohesive.
I have Polk audio rm7-8 with frequency response 130-20,000 Hz (-3dB). Should I set my crossovers around 120hz???🧐🤔
I would like suggestions for karaoke settings
My front and centre speakers roll of at 40 hrtz and sub from 50 herts....it sounds amazing low end wise ...mids n tops clear and crisp...totally works for me
Nice G Man!
You can certainly get thru to people with you tutorial SIMPLE to understand and for that I THANK YOU WELL DONE
You’re very welcome!! Thanks for watching!
What crossover would you recommend for Def Tech Pro Cinema 600 series speakers? They say 120hz is the recommend crossover, but I'm wondering what would happen if i set it at 80hz or 100hz? I'm rolling with dual PB-2000's for my subs. Thanks!
I have a pair of paradigm monitor 7v6s and matching center channel...They all can go well below 80hz, but I was told that it was better to leave them at 80s as my Yamaha receiver is sort of mid class and may not have enough power to play the bass frequencies on the paradigms.....Does this make sense to you?
HI I have Canton movie 75 ,5.1 speakers, set at 80hz on Denon x3700, is this good for these speakers, canton says frequency range 120-2500hz and crossover frequency 5hz
Please do video about switching stereo to 7. 2. 2 channels and sound
quality difference between both
I have the Polk S15 bookshelf speakers mounted on the wall beside the TV and Pold S10 speakers as my surround back speakers. I also have the S35 Polk center speaker and have a Klipsch 12" sub. What would you set the crossovers for on all the speakers and also the sub? Thanks, Scott
What if your speaker’s are not thx then what hz do you set speakers at?
I have my center channel at 250hz. Is that ok? When it was at 80 hz the voice was muffled and not clear..
Which AVR are you using? I have the Denon X4400H and have run into the same issues. I'm running my center at 100hz and or 120hz, I will change on the fly at times. If you are running a newer Denon unit, part of the Audyssey setup is Dynamic Volume, try turning that off. If not a Denon, get into the settings and look for anything that messes with the volume or sound, Dynamic this or that, anything that messes with volume or sound levels, disable it. Then channel levels, you should be able to adjust those, I bump down my L/R channels and boost the sound on my center, as that helps. But look for those settings I mentioned above, you may have to break out your manual to correct your center channel. And 250hz should not hurt your speaker. You have other issues. Also, make sure your center, actually all of your speakers are set to SMALL. You may have that center set to LARGE and are passing the entire frequency range through it, the reason why setting at 250hz sounds better. Check that too.
I did the same with center to 250 but they are ceiling speakers and 80 is muffled with 80 and even 100. The front speakers I changed to 120. They are 8” polk but too much bass when set at 90. My ceilings are all Polk and I have 10” Polk psw sub.
Thanks for this! So for movies always 120 Hz for Subwoofer? 😊
Yes! Set all speaker crossovers to 80Hz and subwoofer LFE to 120Hz
@@TechnoDad meny Thanks! But did you not recommend to set it to like 60 Hz? 😊
i bought an onkyo txnr686 i got the set up done and started playing the movie fast seven on bluray as it was playing i noticed that the sound cuts off on some scenes, is that the movie? the receiver does not flicker in any way at all, i have it playing it on sony x700 do you think is my player? anything would help thank you..