I remember it being explained like an “art deco” era, where for a short period of time a lot of new things had that look before it faded away with later design trends.
Personally I love that idea of TOS being an 'art deco' period, where everything had this unique style for a short amount of time... it explains Dax's line about how she lived 'through that time' and loved the old style. The tech itself was still advanced, but covered up in a more streamlined style for the era.
As a kid, I had this idea that 2260s ships and technology looked so retro because it was all designed by aliens with a different design aesthetic to humans. All still hugely advanced tech, but it just appeared retro to us.
Yes _indeed_ . A SIMPLE ALLUSION to the Design Aesthetic, something that comes and goes as societal FADS , the BEST ones becoming "trends" , but even THOSE are only temporary. A Minimalist Design Aesthetic is NOT something unheard of elsewhere in society. Shopped at IKEA lately ?
I wish they actually cared about reconciling their aesthetic with the 50 years rich tapestry that came before them. But Alex Kurtzman has no love for that incredibly cohesive world. I wish your theory was true, but they just don’t put that much thought into what they are doing.
I really hope Pike is bisexual as had been suggested so we can see his true masculinity shine through as he is open to relationships with anyone and everyone. It would also be cool if Kirk had a 'phase' of discovering himself and had a brief fling with Pike. This I feel embodies the root characteristics of western society.
I’ve always hated that because the technology looks retro it must be retro. Just because the technology looks a certain way doesn’t mean it’s less advanced.
Totally agree! It might look retro but actually be much more advanced... they should treat these like period dramas so if we visit that time it has a certain established look.
Starfleet did what the Colonials did in Battlestar Galactica. Pre-Discovery canon said it was because of the Romulan War. Post-Discovery canon can just say it was because of Control.
I was going to leave the same comment. This is a better explaination. Maybe not the networking part, but needing to use more analog and isolated systems. Just to keep an reminants out. One of the things we've seen very little in Trek is hacking into systems, which should be way more common. And this might be why. Becuase the lesson was already learned. And they had a period of rethinking how they approach systems and integrate them.
The Axanar fan film proves you can make state of the art modern episodes and be visuly faithful to the original series. All too often egoes in control believe they have to show they can be more eye popping than any that came before them.
I remember the Axanar trailer and it was pretty exciting... I agree, I wish the new producers didn't approach Star Trek with the idea that it needs to be 'fixed' to be more like Star Wars or be more exciting or visually impressive... doing so changes the flavour of the show.
What if the Admiral was Zhat Vash and his “cyberneticists” are those who would disable him permanently. To destroy your enemy you must first understand it.
I kinda like to just think of the TOS look as being an ultra refined version of cutting edge 'Disco era' tech. Like in TOS everything's been smoothed over and made to look super sleek and stylish to the point of looking simple and basic. Kinda like how the interior of a Tesla is so sleek it actually looks basic, despite being totally cutting edge, whilst some cars from the 80s look kinda sci-fi and futuristic despite being really lo-tech.
Totally agree, under the hood it's more advanced but just has this simplistic 'retro' look.. the Tesla analogy is spot on, its just cleaner but more functional and stylized... that's one of the things i I hope they do in SNW is show that transition.
@@chillvid-1933 Got to say, one thing I don't like about Discovery and the new Picard is how they are just minor projections of where/who we are today (e.g. food printer replicators, people doing drugs and swearing) rather than where the original TOS/TNG felt like evolved versions of us (us as we want to be in the future beyond where we are currently). 😂
@@StarTrekTheory 100% Agree. The beauty about TNG was it was so futuristic cos it almost wasn't futuristic, it was like post-everything. In the way that design folds back into the background, the more advanced it gets. Think smartphones, they're basically just a screen now, and things get as minimalistic as possible. There's that zen of making technology natural and almost imperceiveable. It really stresses me out that Discovery has all this flashing shit everywhere and ridiculous flying holograms and shit, that's gonna make it look so dated. TNG still holds up in a large part, perhaps ironically. Some might say, yeah it's just budgetary restrictions and others might point to the bits of SFX that DO make it look dated. But the point is, all that shit was sort of background to a thought provoking, wisdom-searching narrative journey. STD-Pic's story telling reflects its aesthetic - loud "in yo face" and painfully obvious to the point of cringe. There are no real moral quandaries, no ambiguity, just no real intelligence overall. I know a lot of people might see Star Trek's use of Classical music, and literature references as being some dusty old bastion of the Gr8 Whyt Male but the *tone* just felt so much more refined and cosy. It's like the difference between spending an evening with your best friends with good food having amazing conversations all night to being at a shit house party and a stranger who comes up to you and insists you know them, shouting at you about themselves for 93 seconds that feel like 93 hours. God I miss Star Trek.
I think a rewatching of the TOS The Ultimate Computer. Dr. Daytrom may have developed Duotronics to flush control. Daystrom is significantly older than Kirk. And as he developed the tech firther, the ships were retrofitted
That’s exactly what I was thinking also - I rewatched that episode recently and it’s eerie how the whole Duotronics concept could fit perfectly into purging Control.
I love this idea it makes perfect sense fix the the timeline and everything. I've never understood why Star trek had to always be so different whereas Star wars always embraced their Canon.
Star Wars started production with the intention of sequels, then went on to prequels. The original Star Trek barely hung on for a few years, and when the movies started few truly believed it would continue further, so why not dazzle the audience with new production abilities. And the spits and sputters continue with each new iteration, so of course trying to pull together any semblance of continuity is troublesome.
@@pohkeee The logic that you're using here doesn't reference my comment though, as Star wars is always embraced the Canon and the way things were designed. We understand that it was designed originally with additional movies that were supposed to happen etc etc. But as each new movie came out with future technology and advancements they never changed the way things looked they always embraced the basic way that everything was in their universe. Whereas Star trek every single version no matter what timeline it is in or time. Should I say always has better technology than the original series. Or the series that it's supposed to be happening before. it just makes absolutely no sense why something that takes place 10 years before the original series or 20 years before the original series would have better looking technology and prettier displays. whereas even in Star wars something that takes place 30 years later still has the same iconic look and feel to it. Same push buttons same lame looking displays same lame looking targeting. To say that Star trek was never meant to have any sequels or anything is trivial because the fact that it does have them is evidence that there should be homage paid to the original in some way shape or form. This channel in this video shows a realistic way to blend it all together and make it all make perfect sense.
There's absolutely NO NEED to "explain" the return to the OS timeline. Just use some good HARD WRITING SKILL, and work it all in gradually as an emerging aesthetic as the Design of the Star-ship / Human Ergonomic Interface evolves in the period between Pike and Kirk. DONE . Remember, the UNIFORMS Pre-Kirk (Cage/Menagerie) Changed, but there's really no need to "explain" _THAT_ stylistic migration. There's no need for a GALAXY-WIDE LOSS of ALL SPECIES Engineering Design Data as a "Re-Boot Mechanism" to satisfy this part of the fan-child need for MASSIVE over-arching "EXPLANATIONS" of anything they're uncomfortable with. Just some GOOD STRONG STORY TELLING and it can be written in as an organic change in Design Preference over the period in question. Consider- Such a Galaxy-Wide LOSS of CULTURAL and Engineering "Memory" would plunge the entire GALAXY into a LONG period of Pre-technology darkness, ENDING the whole "Trek Concept" . No, REALLY the idea just doesn't/wouldn't work .
So with this theory, the actual retro look would have had that had started before Pike actually. So how far back do we go? There was a pre-pike era, with Captain Robert April. Did it happen just after the Enterprise era,?
I honestly think all of this is unnecessary. They used the video from "The Cage" as a flashback for Pike which made it canon. Even though those event were only 3-4 years prior, the look is obviously 50 yrs older. But I didn't require an explanation for the aesthetics. They even incorporated elements from the TOS Enterprise set into Pike's Enterprise to kind of bridge the aesthetic gap. I think if they can integrate elements of TOS look without totally copying it all together, then that's enough for me. So I say there's no need for an explanation.
I agree, as a lifelong Trekkie from the late 1960's as a toddler watching TOS with my dad. The producers (Bad Robot, et al), have no problem throwing away established cannon with the baby and the bathwater. While your theory is a grounded way to "get back" to what should be. Current showrunners believe in updating for the sake of NEW viewership. They are really not in the business of fan-service. If it were, Brannon Braga or even Seth Mcfarlane as show runners, they would have gone for a more retro look because they understand where Trek came from. This is why Orville is far superior to the latest incarnations of Trek.
While I enjoy the new Trek for what it is, there’s definately something to be said for having true fans making Trek. Manny Coto is another name I’d add to your list, what he did to Enteprise s3/4 was pure love of the franchise. Can Akiva Goldsman (who is a fan) do the same for Strange New Worlds..? we can only hope 🙏🖖
ST:Enterprise did some backflips to explain the change look of the Klingons so that it wouldn't just be a change in production. Then Discovery shit all over that. Not worth trying to provide a narrative reason for the change in production look when the current team running it have no respect for canon.
@@christopherkennedy6229 The Augment affected Klingons WERE mentioned in Discovery! It 'assumes' that NOT all of Klingondom, as a species were affected!
Adam Nierenberg they are getting better and learning. Discovery showed unaltered clips from the Cage as a flashback. Picard had digital models and flashbacks of the Enterprise D. Discovery season 3 trailers have unaltered Star Trek aliens. I think it will just be a refit and switch to buttons because of control but on the inside it is more advanced. Also maybe they could use CGI to have Peck morph into Nimoy slowly but idk if that kind of cgi is possible yet. Lower decks had a cameo of unaltered tos ships so I think they are changing their approach to visual canon due to fan backlash.
I'm late to the party on this video, but I would argue that the TOS enterprise is actually more futuristic looking than TMP. While being more colorful, its controls theoretically bridge the push-button designs of TMP-era interfaces with the "dynamic" touch-screen interfaces of TNG. They are solid, non-moving (no mechanics) buttons that provide tactile feedback, but are likely user-configurable as push-buttons, sliders and pots, showing their purpose and markings within the controls. As to why the technology seemed to get "bulkier", it can be argued (using "Force of Nature" as a basis) that subspace interference in system operations began occurring at warp 6, required an equipment re-design to shield the effected systems. This would have been resolved by TMP era. Just some thoughts. - BT
I don't even think it needs to be explained. 1960s vs. 2010s/2020s production and tech. The stories are what matter, and any attempt to reconcile the visual anesthetics jut take away from that.
My headcannon for why the TOS 'look' in universe is that is simply the in trend design style for everything, sorta like how the look of the 20's and 30's was Art Deco.
Having been a Trekkie since childhood in the early 70’s my love know no bounds. Every series has been welcomed, though DS9 is my favorite. Enterprise is maligned but I like the NASA good ole boy feel. Discovery has been amazing form the moment the uttered “Remain Klingon.” And I’m overjoyed Strange Née Worlds is coming, Anson & Peck are fantastic!
Also more thoughts on your galaxy wide shutdown. This is only doable if it is done to technologically advanced societies that aren't pre-warp as such this galaxy wide shut down can't violate prime directive unless the powers that be put that aside.
I had the same thoughts as Melkur1985 that the retro look was dependant on which species was the senior Admiral of the Fleet and thus it was down to these Aliens who were responsible for pushing their own design ethics. After their attempt at the retro style other alien members of Starfleet moved away from it and we get a more advanced look, however, the series still has issues with the familiar aliens changing too much and no change in the timeline can have that big an effect unless you go back to the dawn of time and change every species before they even hatch. The changes should have been less subtle and the uniforms need to be brought in line with "The Cage" era. Then there's the problem with "the Bestest Evah!" who seems to be the only person every episode who knows everything and wants to steal the limelight away from the rest of the crew. The latest episode is the first time everyone has made themselves useful other than the mirror universe. Too much waterworks from a crew which is supposed to be the military wing of The Federation and finally, The Temporal Prime Directive! Federation Time Ships such as the Aeon are supposed to fix temporal incursions and this should have been done when Nero changed the future of Vulcan. To annihilate an entire planet and a large portion of the Vulcan species warrants a visit by the Temporal Police and whether this is a branch of Section 31 is anyone's guess but if a new series revolving around it is finally done questions will be asked even more about why they haven't fixed this very relevant break in the timeline.
Good ideas. I’m convinced that part of the solution is also in how the Enterprise is framed on camera. We could have the NCC-1701 as it appeared in the sixties, but in close-ups of the Bridge panels they could have contemporary instruments. Same with the shuttle crafts, and the Transporter Room.
It's a plausible theory considering they went way polished and technological after the original series and that's just the way it turned out to be. But one thing I noticed in my decades of watching the original series is that mankind seems to have only just gotten to the point they are at by TOS, even mentioning that not long previously they didn't even have view screens. It was pulp fiction that was done way better than it's predecessors and is meant to have a lonely feel way out there in space. To me, they never seemed to be all that far along in their technology. Of course, when they started making the movies and following tv series, naturally they started ramping up the tech that they finally had the budget for. Just my thoughts and observations, I know everyone has their own.
Thanks! yeah the cage is a bit of an anomaly... the only way to explain it under this idea would be that because everything we saw in the Cage was a dream beamed to Kirk, Spock etc during The Menagerie two parter, so the Talosians were telepathically beaming that to them and they just used the same retro 'look' of the time when doing that. :)
I wish the producers pay more attention to the changes in the looking.. although I know that they are just trying to make the appearance more fitting to the preference of modern days, I still wish they can look back to the original version. We do can make things look really high tech and fancy, doesn’t mean we should throw all that classic stuff away. I really enjoy your videos. The theory of destroying all computers in the galaxy can be very dramatic and epic..and it does explain a lot of things. If this can be used in Star Trek new series (or something else explains it) it could be a great story. Thank you for the great video. They really should invite you as a writer.
I think the design is a result of the need for easy serviceability. Analog relays, physical switches and analog gauges require no semiconductors, can be easily built and are easily replaced with minimal need for networked updates across multiple modules and nodes. A highly automated central computer reduces the need for complex inputs and the ship could be operated with a minimal operating interface. This would be vital for a ship that is away for extended periods of time.
Different look due to altered time line that REBOOTED Trek after the events of First Contact! The time line was NOT restored, just realterd, to approximate the timeline the Enterprise came from! ST Enterprise FOLLOWED this altered timeline! Cochrane was exposed to 24C ships based on HIS warp engine designs, and that in turn influenced his later ship designs, and hence, Discovery's a century later! But HAVING to 'dumb' down Star Fleet and other's ships & tech down to purge a rogue AI code makes perfect sense. Sending all ships etc basically BACK to manual control! BSG did this to avoid CYLON hacking of their ships and defense systems that WERE all computerised, so the Kobol humans went retro to manual systems to AVOID being commandeered by Cylon AI!
Yes, that's another good theory about Enterprise essentially being a branched off parallel line already, with Discovery just being the natural evolution of that timeline. I had also thought about that and was planning to make a video on that and the 'parallel' verse idea in general. Even then, assuming the parallel line, it could still be nice for Strange New Worlds to somehow drift, at least partially, back towards a TOS retro style with an event like purging the AI control they introduced in Disco. Fans would love it. ;) Thx, appreciate the comment!
@@StarTrekTheory It's a line that makes the MOST sense. But yes the other 'canon' points of TOS era Constitutions in 'altered timeline' Enterprise era, so your point of 'morphing' to the look is a good 1.
Finally back on UA-cam after a brief hiatus 😉 Strange New Worlds looks really promising - returning to an episodic format, humanity exploring space, and a hopeful Captain and crew! Pls be good! 😂🙏. This is what I would love to happen, transitioning to that TOS retro look, but let's hope!
The huge wall at the front of the bridge is where the bridge window is in discovery. the tos viewscreen is what they put in front of the giant bridge window when they decided that bridge windows were too vulnerable and did refits.
Also the Enterprise was launched 10 years prior to Discovery. It could be argued that since controls plan was to use the hologram system to take over the fleet that the hologram communication system was scrapped as a technology risk.
This was very interesting. My own "pet theory" is as follows: Discovery, and all Star Trek going forward from here is indeed in a new timeline, created by the events of the Temporal Cold War in Enterprise. The Xindi War would've given rise to advances in technology sooner than we saw them in the TOS timeline. Indeed, the Enterprise itself in Discovery seems to have design elements we didn't see until Enterprise's retrofit in ST:TMP. In this way, the TOS timeline remains intact, with TNG, DS9, Voyager and Picard following. Discovery leads to not only a "different" Pike-era Enterprise, but entirely new Kirk-era adventures when that time rolls around (if the producers decide to go there). While the ideas in this video are appealing, it might be nice to have a solution that can be applied again and again as time marches on and all of the shows, including Discovery and SNW, eventually start to show their age (the datapads and computer terminals in TNG are already looking obsolete to anyone today who owns a laptop and a smartphone). The fluidity and, indeed, the fragility of time is an easier explanation for the technological changes we see, rather than endlessly having to come up with reasons for old tech in the future, while still retaining old shows as canon at the same time. And now that Discovery has jumped 900 years into their own future, I'm sure I'll be amused when even those far future technologies are rendered obsolete, here in the "real" 21st century! :D
After seeing Discovey season 3 now I totally agree about the alternate timeline... and I’m also starting to wonder if the start of the new timeline branch was actually first contact? I.e. that movie created an alternate universe where zefram Cochrane knew about the future and Borg danger and accelerated ship building leading to the nx01 faster than the original Kirk prime timeline, and everything you mentioned followed on from that - with more advanced technology as a result? I’m hoping to do a video on that soon, thx for the great comment! 👍
@@StarTrekTheory - I've never counted First Contact as the beginning of the new timeline for the simple reason that it is referenced by Seven on "Voyager". One could argue that Star Trek has "rolling waves" of temporal alteration constantly occurring, rippling forward in time from their trigger event and creating new futures, which are whatever shows are currently in production. Note that this is not a license to ignore canon; for the sake of our collective sanity, events *must* unfold in a similar pattern in any viable new timeline ("viable" because there would be timelines where the very universe was destroyed, or Control destroys all organic life, or the Borg overrun the galaxy, etc.).
In my head canon, the events of First Contact altered first contact and therefore altered the future time line. Enterprise then becomes the first series set in the altered timeline, on a ship that drew it's inspiration from Zefram Cochrane's encounters with Picard and the Enterprise crew. In this altered timeline, instead of the Vulcans being the advanced species that inspires humanity, and first contact with an alien species is the big event, that's all overshadowed by Us, not aliens, but a group of future (mostly) Earth humans who were dropped into the same time frame. In that altered timeline, technologies are shunted backwards and are discovered earlier than they were in the prime timeline, and this effect would be furthered by future, new trips into the past that cause new contamination events, like the early discovery of transparent aluminium, and of course the early arrival of Borg nanobots on Earth. We saw this demonstrated in Yesterday's Enterprise, with one seemingly insignificant change to the timeline sets us on a completely different path. Of course, you could just get your panties in a bunch because iPads are more advanced than anything Kirk had on board the Enterprise, so therefore iPads cannot exist, but I prefer to remember that it's only a tv show, and I don't want them to limit their vision based on what couldn't be done or foreseen in the 1960s.
I like this theory also... I had a similar idea and was planning to do a multiverse style theory video about it. It's pretty clear that Enterprise is on the same timeline as Discovery (i.e. projecting out Enterprise's tech out 100 years probably results in Discovery and the Kelvin universe level of technology), but the rest of trek makes sense from the standpoint that there are multiple timelines and parallel universes. There was an episode of TNG called Parallels which explains it perfectly, and overall it makes a lot of sense to think of Disco and Picard as being in a parallel universe to the original Trek. First Contact being the divergence point is definitely a good idea, but I was also wondering about the original supernova event from Star Trek 2009 - i.e. supposedly according to JJ, the timeline diverged before Nero went back in time because the supernova itself created the black hole that connected to a point further back in time which could have disrupted the timeline in some way before Nero's ship even went into it.
@@StarTrekTheory All the shows use time travel, so technically none of the shows end up in the same time line they started in. The Ent D originally blew up due to a collision with the Bozeman, Kirk would have died by exploding tribble if Ben Sisko wasn't there to save him, etc etc. I had actually hoped that the Picard series would have dealt with this, and by that time many Starfleet personnel would be suffering a sort of Mandela effect/Marty McFly effect due to a time travel incident that had changed history for everyone in the galaxy, except for the time travellers, and Picard and his crew returned from the events of First Contact to find themselves in a different timeline with a different history to the one they remember, and technology more advanced than they expect. Mind you, I'd also enjoy watching the story involving the Nexus remnant of Kirk, having lived out his life in every possible way to see every possible outcome, enlists the remnants of Picard and Guinan to help him leave the Nexus, and set young Kirk on a path not chosen and give him a better life. It would be a great way to introduce the new Kirk actor too.
Glad to see someone else mentioning this. I think it's pretty simple, First Contact changes the timeline because Zephram Cochrane gets a look at the Enterprise-E, and maybe even collects some data as the Phoenix flies by before it's first flight. After all, his warp ship would have been equipped with lots of instruments to measure warp fields and collect other information relevant to the test flight. So whatever fields and whatnot the Enterprise was emitting, Cochrane might have recorded some of it. It's already established in ENT that Cochrane was around for at least the start of the development of the warp 5 engine. So he likely made some leaps in progress that influenced Henry Archer and together they developed an engine that was probably faster than anything in that time period in the 'original timeline'. The episode 'Regeneration' clearly established that ENT exists in a modified timeline tied to First Contact, though one can argue predestination paradox rather than a divergent timeline. Plus, the NX-01 is never mentioned before ENT, or shown anywhere else, despite it's historical importance and connection to future Enterprises. From there, I'd say the Franklin, Kelvin, and Discovery are all part of a contiguous altered timeline. The intervention from Nero merely caused a split from this parallel and already more advanced timeline. So even though the Kelvin and it's shuttles probably got enough data from the Narada to cause some huge technological leaps, the Kelvin Timeline would have just looked like it does in Disco and not TOS, had the Narada not intervened. It's also difficult to reconcile the differences between Disco and the original timeline because sweeping Discovery's existence under the rug doesn't fix everything. Without getting into a whole list of differences (and I'm somewhat ignoring aesthetic changes because it is a real-world production), there is a big difference in speed. Displays on the Disco bridge show that the ship's warp factor and corresponding lightspeed multiplier are consistent with the TNG scale and not TOS. However, this could be more consistent with a timeline that had faster engines earlier on... I don't think it ends there though... I think everything after First Contact gradually changed, so that even Insurrection would have been technically a part of this new timeline, but by then the changes would have leveled off a lot more to still resemble the original timeline, but you could probably spin it a few different ways. Still, I think LDS and especially Picard are not the same timeline as TNG. There are some issues with this of course, like having TNG warp speeds in the TOS era would mean that by the time of Picard, they'd have significantly better technology, even despite any leveling off in changes. This theory may not be the best solution, but I think it works better than trying to reconcile everything into one timeline.
Okay, I can accept this theory. It makes a lot of sense. But actually how far are we going back. Because if there is a retro era, did it begin before Captain pike, like with Captain Robert april, or before that? Are we talking that the retro look that control started appeared after the Enterprise era? How far are we going back?
Nice retcon idea. I don't know about this series. In the original series Pike was portrayed by two different actors (Jeffrey Hunter in flashback scenes and Sean Kenney in the wheelchair) in the only two part episode of original Trek. At the time The Menagerie was conceived by Gene Roddenberry, the production budget was overstretched, so he came up a way to make a cheap episode reusing the original pilot film.
It's too bad that pre-TOS timeline shows didn't use earlier versions of TOS tech. The biggest giveaway to the real life time of a production is the hair styles. For some reason, they always use current hair styles with minor tweaks instead if imagining some new style that might be popular in another time period.
The difference between the look of Kirk era and others is simply that TOS was shot in the 1960's with limited budget and film production technology (but great stories and characters) and anything past that is an increase film tech. From Enterprise (NX -01) and on, Trek makers simply chose to do prequels with an updated look. From Discovery era on... they chose not to follow established cannon characters, optimism and episodic series format. I personally wish they would have not done prequels of TOS and instead made new Trek happening after the events of Nemesis film. This would give them creative license to change the look and feel of the future Trek universe. My opinion is that Discovery is a disservice to TOS era. Just my 2 cents. I am OK if you like it and glad that Trek is continuing.
Well, this idea wouldn’t be possible because in the episode of std in season 2 with Talos planet, Pike gets in the beginning of the episode a flashback of the retro look of the enterprise with talos planet also and later on in the show, pike recognised the women so the first pilot did happen from Star Trek TOS but that was before Star Trek discovery season 2, so this theory would be impossible, but a good guess. 👍
I think the retro look and the way they made it fit to a modern style look of the enterprise for the new strange new worlds season is the way to go as it still keeps the look and feel's like its a star trek show mixing in the old and new in a more believable and balanced way for the new and old trek fans. This is what we expected the star trek show to be from the start but instead they went with a completely opposite and that is what's making discovery a failure not just the story's and the actors but its not really feeling like i am watching star trek or resemble it in anyway it like there just using the brand of what star trek was and just putting in reference to it thinking its going to be star trek. Why The Mandalorian got it right from the start they knew what star wars is and kept every thing the way it should be the look feel and new character with back story's and with a good writing for the show and episodic with different story's each week to tell and it doesn't drag out and make more sense in the story.s there telling. Discovery has nothing like that and this is what star trek was an episodic story telling with new adventures and now the team behind the discovery show has just beginning to see this old approach simple story telling and why there doing Strange New Worlds exactly like that. I think they learned the hard way and realized the way there discovery show was the wrong approach and look to what we as trek fans wanted from the franchise. Its only the new younger generation who has never watched or grow up with star trek likes this take as they don't understand true star trek and that's another reason why The Mandalorian is such a huge success with the young and old as it didn't change what was star wars at its core and it would introduced them to all the original star wars from the passed and keeping the franchise alive and even bigger than before. The whole thing is its called VISIONARY and i am afraid to say that's lacking for this team going ahead with star trek. Unless they start doing strange new worlds the way they promises use by going back to old trek original style and retro look and at the same time bring it to a modern style feel and look to every thing
Exactly, you hit the nail on the head! I agree they realized it was the wrong approach and you can see them slowly improving Discovery since S1, so I’m hopeful for Strange New Worlds more episodic format.
My grievance is that people tend to confuse esthetics with functionality. If it looks a certain way, it must be more or less advanced. Does it really matter whether you push a touchscreen key or a physical button, if it does the exact same thing? Is a 2020 hairstyle somehow “more advanced” than a 1960’s hairstyle? No, of course not. It’s just a different style.
Totally agree... I always assumed the TOS was functionally very advanced but just had that retro aesthetic and look from that period of the 2260s. Updating it to be holograms doesn’t make it more advanced... and actually keeping a consistent visual timeline and aesthetic for the various eras of Trek is much more preferable.
@Star Trek Theory - Absolutely. And furthermore, when the TOS Defiant showed up in the Mirror NX-01 era, that TOS Connie looked absolutely credible flying side by side with an NX-class and they absolutely sold the idea that it was a century more advanced, a century more powerful-and they did it playing it mostly straight. Soval was not laughing when the Defiant blew them out of the sky. It was played straight and it played dark. The DS9 episode was a little more tongue in cheek, but both of these episodes reaffirmed in canon that, yes, this is what that era looked like. It looked like a retro-futuristic 1960’s, not the 1990’s or early 2000’s. And why should it? What’s so futuristic about 21st century touchscreens (which have been around since the 1980’s)? I used a touchscreen to order food at EPCOT Center in 1982. Big whoop. The “jelly bean” controls on a TOS Connie seem to work like touch sensitive crystals, not unlike the Kryptonian crystal controls seen in Superman’s Fortress of Solitude. That seems a lot more futuristic and “out there” than a modern day touchscreen. The DS9 episode even reaffirmed the retro-futuristic 60’s beehive hairstyles. The missed opportunity here was to do Discovery as a serious period piece with a massive budget to do it right and credibly and stylishly. If the 2260’s looks like the future of the 1960’s, then the 2250’s should have looked like the future of the 1950’s. Imagine the incredible architecture we could have seen, props, clothing and hairstyles, living areas not dissimilar to Morbius’ home in Forbidden Planet. This could have been a production designer’s dream job-something that would have stunned audiences with its immersive world building. I’m not talking about “cardboard sets.” I’m talking about going all out and embracing this retro-future with the massive budget they had-and wasted. What a missed opportunity.
Omg I thought the exact same about the series period look, they totally had a missed opportunity doing something unique and pre 2260s style - showing how the TOS era developed. It could have been visually distinctive doing a 1950s era inspired style projected into the future. Totally agree! If I was running Trek that’s what I would have done and made sure to treat each era as it’s own period style. 😂
@@StarTrekTheory - Yes! And it would have easily fit with "The Cage," which people tend to forget did NOT have that psychedelic brightly colored look of the 1960's. It was black, grey, and gunmetal, with subdued earthy toned uniforms. And the LOOK of The Cage (made earlier in 1964) still had a very residual 1950's, pulpy vibe to it. So, they could have done a 1950's retrofuture (with big budget quality) and it wouldn't have clashed with "The Cage" whatsoever--even though it would obviously look far BETTER than "The Cage." The whole idea that every era of Trek has to look homogeneously like the year 2020 doesn't make any sense. "Discovery" is not set in 2020, it is set in the 2250's--which will look NOTHING like the year 2020 when the 2250's actually arrive--and we have no idea what it will look like. But we do know this from an in-universe perspective: The 2250's of the Star Trek universe is NOT OUR FUTURE. It is an alternative future with an alternative history that is far different from our own. To my recollection, there was no world war in 1996 in which a genetically engineered madman came to power in India. Nothing even similar to that ever took place. It's also a fictional world in which Earth emerged (in just a few decades time) from a post-apocalyptic dark age--in which much of the technologies we enjoy would have been lost. From that, It's not hard to fantasize a retrofuture based on highly advanced analog technology rather than 2020's digital tech. But you have to have an imagination.
I honestly hate that any prequel stuff just updates the look no matter when it takes place. Enterprise I'm kinda okay with cause the ending showing it as a holodeck program Riker has running makes the touchscreen stuff and other mess ups make sense, as it's looking back at that era through a 24th century lense, so it's sorta semi-canon in my mind. Discovery can sod off for all I care. It just doesn't fit. They seem to be trying to make sense of it, with this apparent lead up to some event that knocks back the tech by X number of years, but I really think they should have worked back from the TOS look for prequels. It just makes more sense instead of screwing with it to look more modern just because we can do that, everything just feels disjointed because of that approach.
I agree, I wished they treated it like a 'future history' of sorts and so visiting Kirk's era should have the same retro look and feel like a period drama might have visiting the past.
But after doing some further thinking about this theory, you have to realize that the retro look didn't start with the Kirk era. The retro look actually started way before Kirk backing into Pike backing into Robert April and previous to that! So as this theory goes, there are some holes in it. When did the retro area actually start?
A bit like how they explained the Klingon look of TOS a whole generation having a virus that makes them lose their forehead ridges in Enterprise. Don't know how they will explain JJ's Klingon look let alone Disco's Klingons 🤔 So looking forward to this new trek
Yes I took the assumption that this event sets everyone back, so holographic communication isn’t used afterwards. The fact that Pike already has an aversion to tech would be such a great story point to bring it all together if the writers did something like this.
You did way better and coming up with a reason then I though possible. Still way too many holes and the Trekkies will tare that to shreds but the over all idea is solid. Perhaps with some extra work they could make that work or come up with another idea. At least, based on this, it now seems more reasonable to try. Nicely done.
I think they shouldn’t connect to retro look and old tech of the original series, because that look was just because of lack of money and technology back in the day. Gene would have made it more modern if he had the resources. They should more reboot original series live action or animated but keeping the voices and faces and just modernizing everything including the uniforms. We certainly have the tech to do that.
It makes sense but I think you dont have to do it because as long as te...asthetic is kinda the same it works because people understand that the show was made in the 60s so like.....it doesnt effect immersion too much for the average viewer.
Am I the only trek fan who doesn't care about this constancy? I'm perfectly happy with the idea that discovery and TOS are one and the same with out it looking the same
Maybe the whole change actually started with the arrival of Gary 7 who might have changed or created a parallel reality where the computer revolution never happened, no Bill Gates, Clive Sinclair, or Steve Jobs. And the space race when on to reach mars in the 1980s?
Discovery should have never been a prequel it should been set in the late 24th Century either after the dominion war or after the Romulan Star went Supernova. The Visual aesthetics can't match up with Star Trek TOS and any attempt to explain the descrepencies would be pretzel twisting. I like Star Trek SNW but I'm too much of a Canon purist to fully enjoy it.
Everyone seems to have forgotten Khan's sleeper ship Botany Bay from 1997 had a similar look to the Enterprise 1701 but had transistorised computer systems, no microprocessor mentioned in Mr Scott's assessment. Another temporal incursion?
Wouldn’t it be easier to explain the retro fit look , by just saying that fashion, or style of the the time favoured that look on the surface, similar to the way that some people have vintage telephone ringtones on there mobile phones, or have vintage looking DAB radioes. The technology is there , but hidden behind the retro look.
Eh i think they should upgrade the look but show respect for what was. They always take it too far tho. If anything it should look more like the motion picture tech.
Talk about over analyzing to fit a predetermined narrative. Simply put, in the day, it’s called having a minimal budget, lack of special effect capability leading to reduced production values. The budget for the original series was cut several times especially for season 3.
Star Trek shoudn't be concerned with why the original show looked like it did. That was because it was in the 1960's (duh). It should be working on making it cooler because the new shows are being made in the 2020's.
There is a significant flaw and your theory. The computers used in the Constitution class and all star ships that followed on for a revolutionary new kind of computer system called Dueotronics invented by dr. Richard daystrom when he was in his twenties. Clearly states during the in 5 cups set the current computers aboard the Enterprise we're built upon that technology. This is a clear indication that there has been no regression of technology in the 20 years between the commissioning of the USS Enterprise and Kirk's mission. This is the problem with prequels, When You retread ground you create paradoxes
The entire assumption behind this is flawed. A 'retro look' is simply color and pattern choices in design. It doesn't mean 'lower tech'. The computers on the 1701 are far more advanced than those on the NX-01. Archer could not have told the computer to access historic files and extrapolate whether or not the bad guy's plans would be a likely possibility. Spock did this kind of conversation with the TOS enterprise's computers all the time. There was no 'lost tech'.
Theories never have to exact people.Stop getting upset and pointing out flaws in this vid.Sorry but half theses comments sound like one bot trying to troll.The rest is people that sort of agree with this vid and so do I.It was wonderfully done and we'll researched.People need to learn the difference between just fact vids and theory vids(those watching not making).
As movie technology improves producers should use it. The TOS Gorn in the lizard suit was vastly improved with Enterprise's CGI lizard. Also TOS didn't have the budget of later Trek shows. Strange New Worlds only needs to be entertaining to me. Canon is only mildly an issue for me.
While they could write that into the series, it wouldn't be a good idea. People in 2022 don't want to look at enviroments that looked cool in the 1960's. If they made it look like classic Trek, viewers would think it looked old fashioned and wouldn't watch it and that would be the end of Strange New Worlds.
The problem with your theory is that destroying software (control) does not require destroy hardware. A virus or AI can be flush simply by restoring a fresh copy of the OS or a backup before the computer was infected. Alex Kurtzman don't care about canon. That why we got STD Klingons. That why STD tech was so far advance. While STSNW might more like old trek, to please fan. I still don't think he going to bring any of the ST show completely in line with canon. Kurtzman and staff made a half ass attempt to explain why Enterprise didn't have holo-communication by but having Pike pull the system off of the Enterprise because it was not working and he "prefer" viewscreen. That didn't explain why the reset of Star Fleet wasn't using it during the Kirk era. There were lot of mistake made in STD that can't be unmade. Especially, the look and tech of STD. BTW, the JJverse, is not part of ST prime universe. So, the tech can look like that because it's a different universe caused by Spock time jump.
I dont mean to shoot down your theory but I'm afraid it's too late for that. In the STD S2 episode "If memory serves" we see a recap of the TOS episode "the cage". The retro look was already present there and "the cage" takes place before control existed. The truth is that all star trek after 2009 is made under a different license and is a reboot of the franchise. Instead of trying to reconcile them they should be treated for what they are; two different beasts.
I would like it if they had to reinvent the computer, from hardware to software, meaning that all previously used languages would just simply vanish and they had to start from the ground up.
I don't understand why people can't accept the discovery enterprise is just a modern take on 60s ideas and designs they are supposed to be the same ship with the same interior is that do hard to take?
I think the majority of trek fans would prefer a purge of the events in anything related to jarjar and klungeman. All the studios had to was employ the right people and we'd all be enjoying quality trek. Star trek continues was made on a tiny budget in comparison and it had more love and dedication in one episode that the whole of STD and Picard
So basically with this theory, you're saying that the look itself of Star Trek was that of the JJ Abrams universe and the discovery style? Meaning that it has always looked that way and when they try to shut down control, everything went retro? That could make a lot of sense.
I like this theory, but SNW is not set up to be season spanning story arcs, but more of the episode by episode nature. This seems like a lot of content to mash into one episode. That being said, it wouldn't be the first time for multiple part episodes in it's history.
Sorry dude, I meant to leave a comment weeks back! I love the idea of a Pike series, I think it could be the modern Trek old Trek fans could actually be happy with!... ha, we'll never be fully happy! :-)
Cheers mate! Yeah SNW is the one that has me the most excited... the Pike actor feels the most in the mold of Kirk... and I like that they are planning to go less serialized storytelling and more episodic (that's always Trek at its best imo)... fingers crossed on this show! 😄
I remember it being explained like an “art deco” era, where for a short period of time a lot of new things had that look before it faded away with later design trends.
Personally I love that idea of TOS being an 'art deco' period, where everything had this unique style for a short amount of time... it explains Dax's line about how she lived 'through that time' and loved the old style. The tech itself was still advanced, but covered up in a more streamlined style for the era.
As a kid, I had this idea that 2260s ships and technology looked so retro because it was all designed by aliens with a different design aesthetic to humans. All still hugely advanced tech, but it just appeared retro to us.
Yes _indeed_ .
A SIMPLE ALLUSION to the Design Aesthetic, something that comes and goes as societal FADS , the BEST ones becoming "trends" , but even THOSE are only temporary.
A Minimalist Design Aesthetic is NOT something unheard of elsewhere in society. Shopped at IKEA lately ?
I wish they actually cared about reconciling their aesthetic with the 50 years rich tapestry that came before them. But Alex Kurtzman has no love for that incredibly cohesive world. I wish your theory was true, but they just don’t put that much thought into what they are doing.
When I watch my shows about the 2200s, I turn off the TV if the ship doesn't use tech that is already weaker than my cell phone
I absolutely can't wait for Strange New Words I got good vibes on it! Thank you for the video appreciate it! 🖖🏻
I really hope Pike is bisexual as had been suggested so we can see his true masculinity shine through as he is open to relationships with anyone and everyone. It would also be cool if Kirk had a 'phase' of discovering himself and had a brief fling with Pike. This I feel embodies the root characteristics of western society.
I’ve always hated that because the technology looks retro it must be retro. Just because the technology looks a certain way doesn’t mean it’s less advanced.
Totally agree! It might look retro but actually be much more advanced... they should treat these like period dramas so if we visit that time it has a certain established look.
Starfleet did what the Colonials did in Battlestar Galactica. Pre-Discovery canon said it was because of the Romulan War. Post-Discovery canon can just say it was because of Control.
I was going to leave the same comment. This is a better explaination. Maybe not the networking part, but needing to use more analog and isolated systems. Just to keep an reminants out.
One of the things we've seen very little in Trek is hacking into systems, which should be way more common. And this might be why.
Becuase the lesson was already learned. And they had a period of rethinking how they approach systems and integrate them.
The Axanar fan film proves you can make state of the art modern episodes and be visuly faithful to the original series. All too often egoes in control believe they have to show they can be more eye popping than any that came before them.
I remember the Axanar trailer and it was pretty exciting... I agree, I wish the new producers didn't approach Star Trek with the idea that it needs to be 'fixed' to be more like Star Wars or be more exciting or visually impressive... doing so changes the flavour of the show.
Romulan Admiral Jarok to Data: "I know a host of Romulan Cyberneticists that would love to be this close to you". No AI's or androids?
What if the Admiral was Zhat Vash and his “cyberneticists” are those who would disable him permanently. To destroy your enemy you must first understand it.
Yup . The continuity staff trained with their Lucasfilm counterparts
@@brynstarkiller7419 what continuity staff?
Makes sense to me. I'm glad you took on this issue. As our technology advanced in FX that was hard to explain TOS
Thanks
I kinda like to just think of the TOS look as being an ultra refined version of cutting edge 'Disco era' tech. Like in TOS everything's been smoothed over and made to look super sleek and stylish to the point of looking simple and basic. Kinda like how the interior of a Tesla is so sleek it actually looks basic, despite being totally cutting edge, whilst some cars from the 80s look kinda sci-fi and futuristic despite being really lo-tech.
Totally agree, under the hood it's more advanced but just has this simplistic 'retro' look.. the Tesla analogy is spot on, its just cleaner but more functional and stylized... that's one of the things i I hope they do in SNW is show that transition.
This really reminded me of this old TNG thread www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/79t5nv/is_it_me_or_does_tng_still_feel_more_kinda/
@@chillvid-1933 Got to say, one thing I don't like about Discovery and the new Picard is how they are just minor projections of where/who we are today (e.g. food printer replicators, people doing drugs and swearing) rather than where the original TOS/TNG felt like evolved versions of us (us as we want to be in the future beyond where we are currently). 😂
@@StarTrekTheory 100% Agree.
The beauty about TNG was it was so futuristic cos it almost wasn't futuristic, it was like post-everything. In the way that design folds back into the background, the more advanced it gets. Think smartphones, they're basically just a screen now, and things get as minimalistic as possible. There's that zen of making technology natural and almost imperceiveable.
It really stresses me out that Discovery has all this flashing shit everywhere and ridiculous flying holograms and shit, that's gonna make it look so dated. TNG still holds up in a large part, perhaps ironically.
Some might say, yeah it's just budgetary restrictions and others might point to the bits of SFX that DO make it look dated. But the point is, all that shit was sort of background to a thought provoking, wisdom-searching narrative journey.
STD-Pic's story telling reflects its aesthetic - loud "in yo face" and painfully obvious to the point of cringe. There are no real moral quandaries, no ambiguity, just no real intelligence overall.
I know a lot of people might see Star Trek's use of Classical music, and literature references as being some dusty old bastion of the Gr8 Whyt Male but the *tone* just felt so much more refined and cosy.
It's like the difference between spending an evening with your best friends with good food having amazing conversations all night to being at a shit house party and a stranger who comes up to you and insists you know them, shouting at you about themselves for 93 seconds that feel like 93 hours.
God I miss Star Trek.
agree
I think a rewatching of the TOS The Ultimate Computer. Dr. Daytrom may have developed Duotronics to flush control. Daystrom is significantly older than Kirk. And as he developed the tech firther, the ships were retrofitted
That’s exactly what I was thinking also - I rewatched that episode recently and it’s eerie how the whole Duotronics concept could fit perfectly into purging Control.
I think the Temporal Wars screwing things up is a good enough explanation. Getting rid of AI wouldn’t make fashion change
I love this idea it makes perfect sense fix the the timeline and everything. I've never understood why Star trek had to always be so different whereas Star wars always embraced their Canon.
Star Wars started production with the intention of sequels, then went on to prequels. The original Star Trek barely hung on for a few years, and when the movies started few truly believed it would continue further, so why not dazzle the audience with new production abilities. And the spits and sputters continue with each new iteration, so of course trying to pull together any semblance of continuity is troublesome.
@@pohkeee The logic that you're using here doesn't reference my comment though, as Star wars is always embraced the Canon and the way things were designed. We understand that it was designed originally with additional movies that were supposed to happen etc etc. But as each new movie came out with future technology and advancements they never changed the way things looked they always embraced the basic way that everything was in their universe. Whereas Star trek every single version no matter what timeline it is in or time. Should I say always has better technology than the original series. Or the series that it's supposed to be happening before. it just makes absolutely no sense why something that takes place 10 years before the original series or 20 years before the original series would have better looking technology and prettier displays. whereas even in Star wars something that takes place 30 years later still has the same iconic look and feel to it. Same push buttons same lame looking displays same lame looking targeting.
To say that Star trek was never meant to have any sequels or anything is trivial because the fact that it does have them is evidence that there should be homage paid to the original in some way shape or form. This channel in this video shows a realistic way to blend it all together and make it all make perfect sense.
There's absolutely NO NEED to "explain" the return to the OS timeline. Just use some good HARD WRITING SKILL, and work it all in gradually as an emerging aesthetic as the Design of the Star-ship / Human Ergonomic Interface evolves in the period between Pike and Kirk. DONE . Remember, the UNIFORMS Pre-Kirk (Cage/Menagerie) Changed, but there's really no need to "explain" _THAT_ stylistic migration.
There's no need for a GALAXY-WIDE LOSS of ALL SPECIES Engineering Design Data as a "Re-Boot Mechanism" to satisfy this part of the fan-child need for MASSIVE over-arching "EXPLANATIONS" of anything they're uncomfortable with. Just some GOOD STRONG STORY TELLING and it can be written in as an organic change in Design Preference over the period in question.
Consider-
Such a Galaxy-Wide LOSS of CULTURAL and Engineering "Memory" would plunge the entire GALAXY into a LONG period of Pre-technology darkness, ENDING the whole "Trek Concept" . No, REALLY the idea just doesn't/wouldn't work .
That is a great in-universe explanation. I love how you tied-in the new shows with Star Trek roots!
Thanks! 🖖
So with this theory, the actual retro look would have had that had started before Pike actually. So how far back do we go? There was a pre-pike era, with Captain Robert April. Did it happen just after the Enterprise era,?
I honestly think all of this is unnecessary. They used the video from "The Cage" as a flashback for Pike which made it canon. Even though those event were only 3-4 years prior, the look is obviously 50 yrs older. But I didn't require an explanation for the aesthetics. They even incorporated elements from the TOS Enterprise set into Pike's Enterprise to kind of bridge the aesthetic gap. I think if they can integrate elements of TOS look without totally copying it all together, then that's enough for me. So I say there's no need for an explanation.
I agree, as a lifelong Trekkie from the late 1960's as a toddler watching TOS with my dad. The producers (Bad Robot, et al), have no problem throwing away established cannon with the baby and the bathwater. While your theory is a grounded way to "get back" to what should be. Current showrunners believe in updating for the sake of NEW viewership. They are really not in the business of fan-service. If it were, Brannon Braga or even Seth Mcfarlane as show runners, they would have gone for a more retro look because they understand where Trek came from. This is why Orville is far superior to the latest incarnations of Trek.
While I enjoy the new Trek for what it is, there’s definately something to be said for having true fans making Trek. Manny Coto is another name I’d add to your list, what he did to Enteprise s3/4 was pure love of the franchise. Can Akiva Goldsman (who is a fan) do the same for Strange New Worlds..? we can only hope 🙏🖖
ST:Enterprise did some backflips to explain the change look of the Klingons so that it wouldn't just be a change in production. Then Discovery shit all over that. Not worth trying to provide a narrative reason for the change in production look when the current team running it have no respect for canon.
@@christopherkennedy6229 The Augment affected Klingons WERE mentioned in Discovery! It 'assumes' that NOT all of Klingondom, as a species were affected!
Adam Nierenberg they are getting better and learning. Discovery showed unaltered clips from the Cage as a flashback. Picard had digital models and flashbacks of the Enterprise D. Discovery season 3 trailers have unaltered Star Trek aliens. I think it will just be a refit and switch to buttons because of control but on the inside it is more advanced. Also maybe they could use CGI to have Peck morph into Nimoy slowly but idk if that kind of cgi is possible yet. Lower decks had a cameo of unaltered tos ships so I think they are changing their approach to visual canon due to fan backlash.
@@christopherkennedy6229 with your opinion hopefully you'll go the way of the other dinosaurs. 👎
I'm late to the party on this video, but I would argue that the TOS enterprise is actually more futuristic looking than TMP. While being more colorful, its controls theoretically bridge the push-button designs of TMP-era interfaces with the "dynamic" touch-screen interfaces of TNG. They are solid, non-moving (no mechanics) buttons that provide tactile feedback, but are likely user-configurable as push-buttons, sliders and pots, showing their purpose and markings within the controls. As to why the technology seemed to get "bulkier", it can be argued (using "Force of Nature" as a basis) that subspace interference in system operations began occurring at warp 6, required an equipment re-design to shield the effected systems. This would have been resolved by TMP era. Just some thoughts. - BT
I don't even think it needs to be explained. 1960s vs. 2010s/2020s production and tech. The stories are what matter, and any attempt to reconcile the visual anesthetics jut take away from that.
Keep up the good work
Good night all.
My headcannon for why the TOS 'look' in universe is that is simply the in trend design style for everything, sorta like how the look of the 20's and 30's was Art Deco.
Agreed this explanation really fits everything together so amazingly...I’m on board 🖖🏼
Glad you like it! 🖖
Having been a Trekkie since childhood in the early 70’s my love know no bounds. Every series has been welcomed, though DS9 is my favorite. Enterprise is maligned but I like the NASA good ole boy feel. Discovery has been amazing form the moment the uttered “Remain Klingon.” And I’m overjoyed Strange Née Worlds is coming, Anson & Peck are fantastic!
The reason why TOS ENTERPRISE looks the way it does, Is because in the 60s they had what was available at the time, Everything changes in 55 years.
Also more thoughts on your galaxy wide shutdown. This is only doable if it is done to technologically advanced societies that aren't pre-warp as such this galaxy wide shut down can't violate prime directive unless the powers that be put that aside.
I had the same thoughts as Melkur1985 that the retro look was dependant on which species was the senior Admiral of the Fleet and thus it was down to these Aliens who were responsible for pushing their own design ethics. After their attempt at the retro style other alien members of Starfleet moved away from it and we get a more advanced look, however, the series still has issues with the familiar aliens changing too much and no change in the timeline can have that big an effect unless you go back to the dawn of time and change every species before they even hatch. The changes should have been less subtle and the uniforms need to be brought in line with "The Cage" era. Then there's the problem with "the Bestest Evah!" who seems to be the only person every episode who knows everything and wants to steal the limelight away from the rest of the crew. The latest episode is the first time everyone has made themselves useful other than the mirror universe. Too much waterworks from a crew which is supposed to be the military wing of The Federation and finally, The Temporal Prime Directive! Federation Time Ships such as the Aeon are supposed to fix temporal incursions and this should have been done when Nero changed the future of Vulcan. To annihilate an entire planet and a large portion of the Vulcan species warrants a visit by the Temporal Police and whether this is a branch of Section 31 is anyone's guess but if a new series revolving around it is finally done questions will be asked even more about why they haven't fixed this very relevant break in the timeline.
Good ideas. I’m convinced that part of the solution is also in how the Enterprise is framed on camera. We could have the NCC-1701 as it appeared in the sixties, but in close-ups of the Bridge panels they could have contemporary instruments. Same with the shuttle crafts, and the Transporter Room.
Nice idea 👍 having those classic angles would really help with the nostalgia.
It's a plausible theory considering they went way polished and technological after the original series and that's just the way it turned out to be. But one thing I noticed in my decades of watching the original series is that mankind seems to have only just gotten to the point they are at by TOS, even mentioning that not long previously they didn't even have view screens. It was pulp fiction that was done way better than it's predecessors and is meant to have a lonely feel way out there in space. To me, they never seemed to be all that far along in their technology. Of course, when they started making the movies and following tv series, naturally they started ramping up the tech that they finally had the budget for. Just my thoughts and observations, I know everyone has their own.
Awesome theory, but it still
Leaves The Cage as an anomaly
Thanks! yeah the cage is a bit of an anomaly... the only way to explain it under this idea would be that because everything we saw in the Cage was a dream beamed to Kirk, Spock etc during The Menagerie two parter, so the Talosians were telepathically beaming that to them and they just used the same retro 'look' of the time when doing that. :)
Star Trek Theory I personally believe the cage was an experimental temporary refit, prototype of the upcoming 2260s look and tech.
I wish the producers pay more attention to the changes in the looking.. although I know that they are just trying to make the appearance more fitting to the preference of modern days, I still wish they can look back to the original version. We do can make things look really high tech and fancy, doesn’t mean we should throw all that classic stuff away. I really enjoy your videos. The theory of destroying all computers in the galaxy can be very dramatic and epic..and it does explain a lot of things. If this can be used in Star Trek new series (or something else explains it) it could be a great story. Thank you for the great video. They really should invite you as a writer.
I think the design is a result of the need for easy serviceability. Analog relays, physical switches and analog gauges require no semiconductors, can be easily built and are easily replaced with minimal need for networked updates across multiple modules and nodes. A highly automated central computer reduces the need for complex inputs and the ship could be operated with a minimal operating interface. This would be vital for a ship that is away for extended periods of time.
Different look due to altered time line that REBOOTED Trek after the events of First Contact! The time line was NOT restored, just realterd, to approximate the timeline the Enterprise came from! ST Enterprise FOLLOWED this altered timeline! Cochrane was exposed to 24C ships based on HIS warp engine designs, and that in turn influenced his later ship designs, and hence, Discovery's a century later!
But HAVING to 'dumb' down Star Fleet and other's ships & tech down to purge a rogue AI code makes perfect sense. Sending all ships etc basically BACK to manual control!
BSG did this to avoid CYLON hacking of their ships and defense systems that WERE all computerised, so the Kobol humans went retro to manual systems to AVOID being commandeered by Cylon AI!
Yes, that's another good theory about Enterprise essentially being a branched off parallel line already, with Discovery just being the natural evolution of that timeline. I had also thought about that and was planning to make a video on that and the 'parallel' verse idea in general. Even then, assuming the parallel line, it could still be nice for Strange New Worlds to somehow drift, at least partially, back towards a TOS retro style with an event like purging the AI control they introduced in Disco. Fans would love it. ;) Thx, appreciate the comment!
@@StarTrekTheory It's a line that makes the MOST sense. But yes the other 'canon' points of TOS era Constitutions in 'altered timeline' Enterprise era, so your point of 'morphing' to the look is a good 1.
Finally back on UA-cam after a brief hiatus 😉 Strange New Worlds looks really promising - returning to an episodic format, humanity exploring space, and a hopeful Captain and crew! Pls be good! 😂🙏. This is what I would love to happen, transitioning to that TOS retro look, but let's hope!
The STD producers are more than likely rebooting TOS.
Great theory....would love to see it play out in Strange New Worlds!
Thanks! Would be great if they tie all the series together with something like this.
The huge wall at the front of the bridge is where the bridge window is in discovery. the tos viewscreen is what they put in front of the giant bridge window when they decided that bridge windows were too vulnerable and did refits.
Pike removed the holographic communications system removed from the Enterprise because of personal preference. He cited that in Discovery.
Also the Enterprise was launched 10 years prior to Discovery. It could be argued that since controls plan was to use the hologram system to take over the fleet that the hologram communication system was scrapped as a technology risk.
As with Battlestar Galactica? in the reimagined show the ship was intentionally retro to prevent computers being hacked
I love this theory and would like to see that happen
This was very interesting. My own "pet theory" is as follows: Discovery, and all Star Trek going forward from here is indeed in a new timeline, created by the events of the Temporal Cold War in Enterprise. The Xindi War would've given rise to advances in technology sooner than we saw them in the TOS timeline. Indeed, the Enterprise itself in Discovery seems to have design elements we didn't see until Enterprise's retrofit in ST:TMP. In this way, the TOS timeline remains intact, with TNG, DS9, Voyager and Picard following. Discovery leads to not only a "different" Pike-era Enterprise, but entirely new Kirk-era adventures when that time rolls around (if the producers decide to go there). While the ideas in this video are appealing, it might be nice to have a solution that can be applied again and again as time marches on and all of the shows, including Discovery and SNW, eventually start to show their age (the datapads and computer terminals in TNG are already looking obsolete to anyone today who owns a laptop and a smartphone). The fluidity and, indeed, the fragility of time is an easier explanation for the technological changes we see, rather than endlessly having to come up with reasons for old tech in the future, while still retaining old shows as canon at the same time. And now that Discovery has jumped 900 years into their own future, I'm sure I'll be amused when even those far future technologies are rendered obsolete, here in the "real" 21st century! :D
After seeing Discovey season 3 now I totally agree about the alternate timeline... and I’m also starting to wonder if the start of the new timeline branch was actually first contact? I.e. that movie created an alternate universe where zefram Cochrane knew about the future and Borg danger and accelerated ship building leading to the nx01 faster than the original Kirk prime timeline, and everything you mentioned followed on from that - with more advanced technology as a result? I’m hoping to do a video on that soon, thx for the great comment! 👍
@@StarTrekTheory - I've never counted First Contact as the beginning of the new timeline for the simple reason that it is referenced by Seven on "Voyager". One could argue that Star Trek has "rolling waves" of temporal alteration constantly occurring, rippling forward in time from their trigger event and creating new futures, which are whatever shows are currently in production. Note that this is not a license to ignore canon; for the sake of our collective sanity, events *must* unfold in a similar pattern in any viable new timeline ("viable" because there would be timelines where the very universe was destroyed, or Control destroys all organic life, or the Borg overrun the galaxy, etc.).
Interesting theory. Nicely done. Thank you!
In my head canon, the events of First Contact altered first contact and therefore altered the future time line. Enterprise then becomes the first series set in the altered timeline, on a ship that drew it's inspiration from Zefram Cochrane's encounters with Picard and the Enterprise crew. In this altered timeline, instead of the Vulcans being the advanced species that inspires humanity, and first contact with an alien species is the big event, that's all overshadowed by Us, not aliens, but a group of future (mostly) Earth humans who were dropped into the same time frame. In that altered timeline, technologies are shunted backwards and are discovered earlier than they were in the prime timeline, and this effect would be furthered by future, new trips into the past that cause new contamination events, like the early discovery of transparent aluminium, and of course the early arrival of Borg nanobots on Earth. We saw this demonstrated in Yesterday's Enterprise, with one seemingly insignificant change to the timeline sets us on a completely different path. Of course, you could just get your panties in a bunch because iPads are more advanced than anything Kirk had on board the Enterprise, so therefore iPads cannot exist, but I prefer to remember that it's only a tv show, and I don't want them to limit their vision based on what couldn't be done or foreseen in the 1960s.
I like this theory also... I had a similar idea and was planning to do a multiverse style theory video about it. It's pretty clear that Enterprise is on the same timeline as Discovery (i.e. projecting out Enterprise's tech out 100 years probably results in Discovery and the Kelvin universe level of technology), but the rest of trek makes sense from the standpoint that there are multiple timelines and parallel universes. There was an episode of TNG called Parallels which explains it perfectly, and overall it makes a lot of sense to think of Disco and Picard as being in a parallel universe to the original Trek. First Contact being the divergence point is definitely a good idea, but I was also wondering about the original supernova event from Star Trek 2009 - i.e. supposedly according to JJ, the timeline diverged before Nero went back in time because the supernova itself created the black hole that connected to a point further back in time which could have disrupted the timeline in some way before Nero's ship even went into it.
@@StarTrekTheory All the shows use time travel, so technically none of the shows end up in the same time line they started in. The Ent D originally blew up due to a collision with the Bozeman, Kirk would have died by exploding tribble if Ben Sisko wasn't there to save him, etc etc. I had actually hoped that the Picard series would have dealt with this, and by that time many Starfleet personnel would be suffering a sort of Mandela effect/Marty McFly effect due to a time travel incident that had changed history for everyone in the galaxy, except for the time travellers, and Picard and his crew returned from the events of First Contact to find themselves in a different timeline with a different history to the one they remember, and technology more advanced than they expect. Mind you, I'd also enjoy watching the story involving the Nexus remnant of Kirk, having lived out his life in every possible way to see every possible outcome, enlists the remnants of Picard and Guinan to help him leave the Nexus, and set young Kirk on a path not chosen and give him a better life. It would be a great way to introduce the new Kirk actor too.
Glad to see someone else mentioning this. I think it's pretty simple, First Contact changes the timeline because Zephram Cochrane gets a look at the Enterprise-E, and maybe even collects some data as the Phoenix flies by before it's first flight. After all, his warp ship would have been equipped with lots of instruments to measure warp fields and collect other information relevant to the test flight. So whatever fields and whatnot the Enterprise was emitting, Cochrane might have recorded some of it.
It's already established in ENT that Cochrane was around for at least the start of the development of the warp 5 engine. So he likely made some leaps in progress that influenced Henry Archer and together they developed an engine that was probably faster than anything in that time period in the 'original timeline'. The episode 'Regeneration' clearly established that ENT exists in a modified timeline tied to First Contact, though one can argue predestination paradox rather than a divergent timeline. Plus, the NX-01 is never mentioned before ENT, or shown anywhere else, despite it's historical importance and connection to future Enterprises.
From there, I'd say the Franklin, Kelvin, and Discovery are all part of a contiguous altered timeline. The intervention from Nero merely caused a split from this parallel and already more advanced timeline. So even though the Kelvin and it's shuttles probably got enough data from the Narada to cause some huge technological leaps, the Kelvin Timeline would have just looked like it does in Disco and not TOS, had the Narada not intervened. It's also difficult to reconcile the differences between Disco and the original timeline because sweeping Discovery's existence under the rug doesn't fix everything. Without getting into a whole list of differences (and I'm somewhat ignoring aesthetic changes because it is a real-world production), there is a big difference in speed. Displays on the Disco bridge show that the ship's warp factor and corresponding lightspeed multiplier are consistent with the TNG scale and not TOS. However, this could be more consistent with a timeline that had faster engines earlier on...
I don't think it ends there though... I think everything after First Contact gradually changed, so that even Insurrection would have been technically a part of this new timeline, but by then the changes would have leveled off a lot more to still resemble the original timeline, but you could probably spin it a few different ways. Still, I think LDS and especially Picard are not the same timeline as TNG. There are some issues with this of course, like having TNG warp speeds in the TOS era would mean that by the time of Picard, they'd have significantly better technology, even despite any leveling off in changes. This theory may not be the best solution, but I think it works better than trying to reconcile everything into one timeline.
@@ashleydarkstone1949 I agree... The changes would have leveled off. I think that the Post First contact theory can explain everything.
I mean ....this could ALL be cured if they would just FUCKING MOVE ON !!!! LIKE ???? THEY COULD HIRE YOUR GUYS AND I WOULD HAPPY !!!!!!!
During the 60's and I was alive then, the imaginations of productions designers were simply in Sci Fi infancy. It was as simple as that.
Okay, I can accept this theory. It makes a lot of sense. But actually how far are we going back. Because if there is a retro era, did it begin before Captain pike, like with Captain Robert april, or before that? Are we talking that the retro look that control started appeared after the Enterprise era? How far are we going back?
Nice retcon idea. I don't know about this series. In the original series Pike was portrayed by two different actors (Jeffrey Hunter in flashback scenes and Sean Kenney in the wheelchair) in the only two part episode of original Trek. At the time The Menagerie was conceived by Gene Roddenberry, the production budget was overstretched, so he came up a way to make a cheap episode reusing the original pilot film.
I think you've done well at trying to explain why things are the way they seem to appear. Nice hypothesis & well done.
Thanks! Appreciate it!
Agree, agree, agree! Awesome explanation! I hope Pike's series has that aesthetic interwoven along with the better effects of today.
Dude. EXCELLENT video. Well done tying it ALL together. Your proposition makes prefect sense.
Thanks so much, appreciate it!
It's too bad that pre-TOS timeline shows didn't use earlier versions of TOS tech. The biggest giveaway to the real life time of a production is the hair styles. For some reason, they always use current hair styles with minor tweaks instead if imagining some new style that might be popular in another time period.
The difference between the look of Kirk era and others is simply that TOS was shot in the 1960's with limited budget and film production technology (but great stories and characters) and anything past that is an increase film tech. From Enterprise (NX -01) and on, Trek makers simply chose to do prequels with an updated look. From Discovery era on... they chose not to follow established cannon characters, optimism and episodic series format. I personally wish they would have not done prequels of TOS and instead made new Trek happening after the events of Nemesis film. This would give them creative license to change the look and feel of the future Trek universe. My opinion is that Discovery is a disservice to TOS era. Just my 2 cents. I am OK if you like it and glad that Trek is continuing.
Excellent theory!
Well, this idea wouldn’t be possible because in the episode of std in season 2 with Talos planet, Pike gets in the beginning of the episode a flashback of the retro look of the enterprise with talos planet also and later on in the show, pike recognised the women so the first pilot did happen from Star Trek TOS but that was before Star Trek discovery season 2, so this theory would be impossible, but a good guess. 👍
It is a certainty that Kirk will appear in one of the episodes, probably as a teaser when this show has jumped the shark.
Add Scotty as a Jr Engineer in the Pike Series.
That would be a nice idea!
I think the retro look and the way they made it fit to a modern style look of the enterprise for the new strange new worlds season is the way to go as it still keeps the look and feel's like its a star trek show mixing in the old and new in a more believable and balanced way for the new and old trek fans. This is what we expected the star trek show to be from the start but instead they went with a completely opposite and that is what's making discovery a failure not just the story's and the actors but its not really feeling like i am watching star trek or resemble it in anyway it like there just using the brand of what star trek was and just putting in reference to it thinking its going to be star trek. Why The Mandalorian got it right from the start they knew what star wars is and kept every thing the way it should be the look feel and new character with back story's and with a good writing for the show and episodic with different story's each week to tell and it doesn't drag out and make more sense in the story.s there telling. Discovery has nothing like that and this is what star trek was an episodic story telling with new adventures and now the team behind the discovery show has just beginning to see this old approach simple story telling and why there doing Strange New Worlds exactly like that. I think they learned the hard way and realized the way there discovery show was the wrong approach and look to what we as trek fans wanted from the franchise. Its only the new younger generation who has never watched or grow up with star trek likes this take as they don't understand true star trek and that's another reason why The Mandalorian is such a huge success with the young and old as it didn't change what was star wars at its core and it would introduced them to all the original star wars from the passed and keeping the franchise alive and even bigger than before. The whole thing is its called VISIONARY and i am afraid to say that's lacking for this team going ahead with star trek. Unless they start doing strange new worlds the way they promises use by going back to old trek original style and retro look and at the same time bring it to a modern style feel and look to every thing
Exactly, you hit the nail on the head! I agree they realized it was the wrong approach and you can see them slowly improving Discovery since S1, so I’m hopeful for Strange New Worlds more episodic format.
It's Star Trek! I'm watching it!!! 🖖
My grievance is that people tend to confuse esthetics with functionality. If it looks a certain way, it must be more or less advanced. Does it really matter whether you push a touchscreen key or a physical button, if it does the exact same thing? Is a 2020 hairstyle somehow “more advanced” than a 1960’s hairstyle? No, of course not. It’s just a different style.
Totally agree... I always assumed the TOS was functionally very advanced but just had that retro aesthetic and look from that period of the 2260s. Updating it to be holograms doesn’t make it more advanced... and actually keeping a consistent visual timeline and aesthetic for the various eras of Trek is much more preferable.
@Star Trek Theory - Absolutely. And furthermore, when the TOS Defiant showed up in the Mirror NX-01 era, that TOS Connie looked absolutely credible flying side by side with an NX-class and they absolutely sold the idea that it was a century more advanced, a century more powerful-and they did it playing it mostly straight. Soval was not laughing when the Defiant blew them out of the sky. It was played straight and it played dark. The DS9 episode was a little more tongue in cheek, but both of these episodes reaffirmed in canon that, yes, this is what that era looked like. It looked like a retro-futuristic 1960’s, not the 1990’s or early 2000’s. And why should it? What’s so futuristic about 21st century touchscreens (which have been around since the 1980’s)? I used a touchscreen to order food at EPCOT Center in 1982. Big whoop. The “jelly bean” controls on a TOS Connie seem to work like touch sensitive crystals, not unlike the Kryptonian crystal controls seen in Superman’s Fortress of Solitude. That seems a lot more futuristic and “out there” than a modern day touchscreen. The DS9 episode even reaffirmed the retro-futuristic 60’s beehive hairstyles.
The missed opportunity here was to do Discovery as a serious period piece with a massive budget to do it right and credibly and stylishly. If the 2260’s looks like the future of the 1960’s, then the 2250’s should have looked like the future of the 1950’s. Imagine the incredible architecture we could have seen, props, clothing and hairstyles, living areas not dissimilar to Morbius’ home in Forbidden Planet. This could have been a production designer’s dream job-something that would have stunned audiences with its immersive world building. I’m not talking about “cardboard sets.” I’m talking about going all out and embracing this retro-future with the massive budget they had-and wasted. What a missed opportunity.
Omg I thought the exact same about the series period look, they totally had a missed opportunity doing something unique and pre 2260s style - showing how the TOS era developed. It could have been visually distinctive doing a 1950s era inspired style projected into the future. Totally agree! If I was running Trek that’s what I would have done and made sure to treat each era as it’s own period style. 😂
@@StarTrekTheory - Yes! And it would have easily fit with "The Cage," which people tend to forget did NOT have that psychedelic brightly colored look of the 1960's. It was black, grey, and gunmetal, with subdued earthy toned uniforms. And the LOOK of The Cage (made earlier in 1964) still had a very residual 1950's, pulpy vibe to it. So, they could have done a 1950's retrofuture (with big budget quality) and it wouldn't have clashed with "The Cage" whatsoever--even though it would obviously look far BETTER than "The Cage."
The whole idea that every era of Trek has to look homogeneously like the year 2020 doesn't make any sense. "Discovery" is not set in 2020, it is set in the 2250's--which will look NOTHING like the year 2020 when the 2250's actually arrive--and we have no idea what it will look like. But we do know this from an in-universe perspective: The 2250's of the Star Trek universe is NOT OUR FUTURE. It is an alternative future with an alternative history that is far different from our own. To my recollection, there was no world war in 1996 in which a genetically engineered madman came to power in India. Nothing even similar to that ever took place. It's also a fictional world in which Earth emerged (in just a few decades time) from a post-apocalyptic dark age--in which much of the technologies we enjoy would have been lost. From that, It's not hard to fantasize a retrofuture based on highly advanced analog technology rather than 2020's digital tech. But you have to have an imagination.
I will go with "It's a television show"
I honestly hate that any prequel stuff just updates the look no matter when it takes place. Enterprise I'm kinda okay with cause the ending showing it as a holodeck program Riker has running makes the touchscreen stuff and other mess ups make sense, as it's looking back at that era through a 24th century lense, so it's sorta semi-canon in my mind. Discovery can sod off for all I care. It just doesn't fit. They seem to be trying to make sense of it, with this apparent lead up to some event that knocks back the tech by X number of years, but I really think they should have worked back from the TOS look for prequels. It just makes more sense instead of screwing with it to look more modern just because we can do that, everything just feels disjointed because of that approach.
I agree, I wished they treated it like a 'future history' of sorts and so visiting Kirk's era should have the same retro look and feel like a period drama might have visiting the past.
But after doing some further thinking about this theory, you have to realize that the retro look didn't start with the Kirk era. The retro look actually started way before Kirk backing into Pike backing into Robert April and previous to that! So as this theory goes, there are some holes in it. When did the retro area actually start?
A bit like how they explained the Klingon look of TOS a whole generation having a virus that makes them lose their forehead ridges in Enterprise. Don't know how they will explain JJ's Klingon look let alone Disco's Klingons 🤔 So looking forward to this new trek
Cochran’s ship in First Contact is the earliest tech in the timeline
The holographic communicator was disabled in the enterprise as per Pike's orders.
Yes I took the assumption that this event sets everyone back, so holographic communication isn’t used afterwards. The fact that Pike already has an aversion to tech would be such a great story point to bring it all together if the writers did something like this.
You did way better and coming up with a reason then I though possible. Still way too many holes and the Trekkies will tare that to shreds but the over all idea is solid. Perhaps with some extra work they could make that work or come up with another idea. At least, based on this, it now seems more reasonable to try. Nicely done.
Thanks I appreciate that! 👍
"I wonder if this was what The reason of the burn was"
I think they shouldn’t connect to retro look and old tech of the original series, because that look was just because of lack of money and technology back in the day. Gene would have made it more modern if he had the resources.
They should more reboot original series live action or animated but keeping the voices and faces and just modernizing everything including the uniforms. We certainly have the tech to do that.
It makes sense but I think you dont have to do it because as long as te...asthetic is kinda the same it works because people understand that the show was made in the 60s so like.....it doesnt effect immersion too much for the average viewer.
Am I the only trek fan who doesn't care about this constancy? I'm perfectly happy with the idea that discovery and TOS are one and the same with out it looking the same
Maybe the whole change actually started with the arrival of Gary 7 who might have changed or created a parallel reality where the computer revolution never happened, no Bill Gates, Clive Sinclair, or Steve Jobs. And the space race when on to reach mars in the 1980s?
There are always rebirths of the old in history, why not in design? I like your idea.
Discovery should have never been a prequel it should been set in the late 24th Century either after the dominion war or after the Romulan Star went Supernova. The Visual aesthetics can't match up with Star Trek TOS and any attempt to explain the descrepencies would be pretzel twisting. I like Star Trek SNW but I'm too much of a Canon purist to fully enjoy it.
Now that is interesting!
Can we send this vid to the writers of strange new worlds?
Everyone seems to have forgotten Khan's sleeper ship Botany Bay from 1997 had a similar look to the Enterprise 1701 but had transistorised computer systems, no microprocessor mentioned in Mr Scott's assessment. Another temporal incursion?
Excellent idea 👍🏽
This video is hilarious. Well done dude. Well done.
Wouldn’t it be easier to explain the retro fit look , by just saying that fashion, or style of the the time favoured that look on the surface, similar to the way that some people have vintage telephone ringtones on there mobile phones, or have vintage looking DAB radioes. The technology is there , but hidden behind the retro look.
Eh i think they should upgrade the look but show respect for what was. They always take it too far tho. If anything it should look more like the motion picture tech.
Talk about over analyzing to fit a predetermined narrative. Simply put, in the day, it’s called having a minimal budget, lack of special effect capability leading to reduced production values. The budget for the original series was cut several times especially for season 3.
Excellent idea
Star Trek shoudn't be concerned with why the original show looked like it did. That was because it was in the 1960's (duh). It should be working on making it cooler because the new shows are being made in the 2020's.
The BEST way possible! I love this idea/theory! I hope somebody has presented this idea to Akiva Goldsmith.
Haha thanks! Hopefully someone will share it with him, it would be great if they did something like this.
There is a significant flaw and your theory. The computers used in the Constitution class and all star ships that followed on for a revolutionary new kind of computer system called Dueotronics invented by dr. Richard daystrom when he was in his twenties. Clearly states during the in 5 cups set the current computers aboard the Enterprise we're built upon that technology. This is a clear indication that there has been no regression of technology in the 20 years between the commissioning of the USS Enterprise and Kirk's mission. This is the problem with prequels, When You retread ground you create paradoxes
What a great idea! Fantastic, we should get a petition going.
That would be amazing!
I can't wait!!!
Totally agree with you.
The entire assumption behind this is flawed. A 'retro look' is simply color and pattern choices in design. It doesn't mean 'lower tech'. The computers on the 1701 are far more advanced than those on the NX-01. Archer could not have told the computer to access historic files and extrapolate whether or not the bad guy's plans would be a likely possibility. Spock did this kind of conversation with the TOS enterprise's computers all the time. There was no 'lost tech'.
Theories never have to exact people.Stop getting upset and pointing out flaws in this vid.Sorry but half theses comments sound like one bot trying to troll.The rest is people that sort of agree with this vid and so do I.It was wonderfully done and we'll researched.People need to learn the difference between just fact vids and theory vids(those watching not making).
Thank you! 🖖
Solid work Sir.
Thanks!
As movie technology improves producers should use it. The TOS Gorn in the lizard suit was vastly improved with Enterprise's CGI lizard. Also TOS didn't have the budget of later Trek shows. Strange New Worlds only needs to be entertaining to me. Canon is only mildly an issue for me.
No, the real reason is because TOS was made on a tight 60's budget, and now days we have way more money for shows like this.
While they could write that into the series, it wouldn't be a good idea. People in 2022 don't want to look at enviroments that looked cool in the 1960's. If they made it look like classic Trek, viewers would think it looked old fashioned and wouldn't watch it and that would be the end of Strange New Worlds.
The problem with your theory is that destroying software (control) does not require destroy hardware. A virus or AI can be flush simply by restoring a fresh copy of the OS or a backup before the computer was infected.
Alex Kurtzman don't care about canon. That why we got STD Klingons. That why STD tech was so far advance. While STSNW might more like old trek, to please fan. I still don't think he going to bring any of the ST show completely in line with canon. Kurtzman and staff made a half ass attempt to explain why Enterprise didn't have holo-communication by but having Pike pull the system off of the Enterprise because it was not working and he "prefer" viewscreen. That didn't explain why the reset of Star Fleet wasn't using it during the Kirk era. There were lot of mistake made in STD that can't be unmade. Especially, the look and tech of STD.
BTW, the JJverse, is not part of ST prime universe. So, the tech can look like that because it's a different universe caused by Spock time jump.
I dont mean to shoot down your theory but I'm afraid it's too late for that. In the STD S2 episode "If memory serves" we see a recap of the TOS episode "the cage". The retro look was already present there and "the cage" takes place before control existed. The truth is that all star trek after 2009 is made under a different license and is a reboot of the franchise. Instead of trying to reconcile them they should be treated for what they are; two different beasts.
I would like it if they had to reinvent the computer, from hardware to software, meaning that all previously used languages would just simply vanish and they had to start from the ground up.
Brilliant! They should give you a job on the writing team. Wouldn't it be great to have that look back again
Haha, Man I wish 😂🙏
Good theory!
I don't understand why people can't accept the discovery enterprise is just a modern take on 60s ideas and designs they are supposed to be the same ship with the same interior is that do hard to take?
Its a future style from there general time and mindset... Just works the same as fashion
Haha exactly, it would almost be like someone from our 40s/50s going to the 60s where less is more ;)
Fascinating
I think the majority of trek fans would prefer a purge of the events in anything related to jarjar and klungeman.
All the studios had to was employ the right people and we'd all be enjoying quality trek. Star trek continues was made on a tiny budget in comparison and it had more love and dedication in one episode that the whole of STD and Picard
Love Star Trek Continues, what a great show 👍
So basically with this theory, you're saying that the look itself of Star Trek was that of the JJ Abrams universe and the discovery style? Meaning that it has always looked that way and when they try to shut down control, everything went retro? That could make a lot of sense.
That's the idea, yes.
Nice theory
I like this theory, but SNW is not set up to be season spanning story arcs, but more of the episode by episode nature. This seems like a lot of content to mash into one episode. That being said, it wouldn't be the first time for multiple part episodes in it's history.
Sorry dude, I meant to leave a comment weeks back! I love the idea of a Pike series, I think it could be the modern Trek old Trek fans could actually be happy with!... ha, we'll never be fully happy! :-)
Cheers mate! Yeah SNW is the one that has me the most excited... the Pike actor feels the most in the mold of Kirk... and I like that they are planning to go less serialized storytelling and more episodic (that's always Trek at its best imo)... fingers crossed on this show! 😄
Trek Continues nailed the retro look
Loved Star Trek Continues
@@StarTrekTheory Was a real love letter to TOS