What Were the Schisms Creatures?
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2021
- In TNG Schisms, the crew encountered these strange clicking aliens that abducted members of the crew for strange experimentation. They were never seen again in canon, but in several books, comics and games, these mysterious creatures return. But just what are they? And what did they want?
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Geordi:"I been in this room before."
Riker:"We all have."
**cue dramatic and eerie brass and strings** ...fade out to commercial break.
Troi breathes a sigh relief thinking to herself "Thank GOD I haven't..."
The episode itself was pretty much an alien abduction story set in a setting where humans are highly advance, can travel between the stars, and have contacted hundreds of other intelligent species. Everything about the episode portrays the accounts of people whom claim they have been abducted by aliens: being taken in the middle of the night, having their memories erased, yet when something happens that is somewhat similar to what they experienced during the abduction it can trigger a flash back, medical experiments being done without a person's consent, and for unknown reasons. Heck, even the rooms are somewhat similar to the rooms that people whom claim to have been abducted by aliens are like.
"Claim"
WWWWOOOOoooooooohhhh...
plays x-files theme
This was one of my favorite episodes. Star Trek didn't tend to go in the horror direction, but I felt this one touched on it at least a little.
yea body horror specially they did the same with the parasite invaders n their chosen mother carriers xacution was as satisfying as it was disturbing😂
@@meediamongergamemodder2302 Yeah, I like that one as well. Ironically, there was a 6 part crossover comics scheduled called Star Trek TNG/Aliens with Picard and crew meeting the xenomorphs. Covers and preliminary art are available online. Would have liked to see that series.
I remember watching it when it aired the first time. And it was eerie. Seen it multiple times since, but man, seeing it the first time around. Eerie 👥
@@josephmassaro watch picard get mpregnated while trying to make froends wit em😂
@@brandonwachter2264 yea having a tril n ya neck nape is errie ndeed😂
Loved that episode, too bad they never followed up on them. I always figured they didn't actually live in or evolve in subspace, only that it's their preferred mode of stealth operations.
they have a whole are in the mmo apparently
@@PeterParker-yg6fc They are only in one mission (episode) of the game in person and only for one scene. But the Solinae are mentioned in quite a few other missions during the Romulan, Dyson Sphere, Delta Alliance and Iconian War mission arcs.
@@neilprice513they’re associated with the iconians, which is a much bigger party that outweighs the schism creatures
I remember this episode so well for the horror theme they had going. This episode did absolutely scare me. By the end it left me with this feeling of dread, uneasiness and just overall questions about what just happened. Never getting a follow up made it worse.
I think keeping them unexplained is better overall, Fear of the Unknown.
4:50 Makes me wonder in head cannon if that was just an “oops” moment by some alien trainee that mixed up two liquids when putting the crewmen back together... Did some nameless sub space alien lose their job for not putting crewman Humpty Dumpty back together again?
Yeah, they seemed to put effort into returning their test subjects largely unharmed. That suggests the fatal result was likely not intentional.
There's bits of information you can dig up in the Solanae Ground Battlezone regarding their past. You get an Accolade for finding them all:
At some point, thousands of years ago, an accident (probably involving Omega particles) occurred that rendered them unable to survive in realspace, so they had to abandon the Dyson spheres and retreat into subspace until they could figure out a cure for their condition.
This was one of my favorite Next Gen episodes. The only weak point was when you actually see the aliens. I wish they had the budget to do something more Lovecraftian and otherworldly-looking rather than another humanoid-shaped critter. But other than that, this episode still fits in my Top 10 list. There are few Trek episodes in the franchise that do some really good suspense and horror like this.
Some TNG episodes for me stand out more than others, and this was one that stood out to me. I remember Dr. Crusher telling Riker his arm at one point had been severed and re-attached and that it was almost undetectable. Riker's like "whaaaAAAAAA.....?"
I loved that episode (just recently re-watched the entire Star Trek TNG series). It was thrilling throughout.
While I'd definitely like a re-encounter with the Solanae, my main interest is still the Promellians and how exactly they went extinct. A Star Trek series entirely dedicated to extraterrestial archaelogy would be amazing!
This episode also saw the first and only appearance of Data’s cat poem which is both cannon and a amazing amalgamation of words masterfully constructed but lacking all true meaning
Meow
Everyone can relate to a bad night's sleep. Waking up feeling like you never even slept. Such a great horror story.
Schisms is one of my favorite TNG episodes. There's just so much we don't know, and (outside of beta canon) never find out. It leaves the mystery open-ended, and the implications are huge. It's like seeing a shark fin glide by for the first time.
Love how star trek online incorperated them into their iconian war story.
Reminds me of the Drakh from Babylon 5.
The Iconian-related origin ties them into the IP better as it makes them inter-connected with other established elements and, if there is one big flaw of Star Trek world building, it is that all the various aliens that exist in the galaxy seem to exist within their own bubbles and only ever have meaningful interactions with Starfleet and never one-another. And yet, given that we are talking about an alien species that exists outside of normal space and thus, as it is typically defined, the galaxy-- maybe the Iconian origin makes the whole universe seem smaller than it really should.
I guess, fundamentally, the real issue with them was that they were carrying out these kidnappings and experimentations, but only to a crew of a single Federation Starship and only for about a week or so. The idea that no one else in the galaxy has apparently ever been a victim or theirs, or-- if they have-- they just never realized it, just seems so very odd.
Why should stories told fro the Federation point of view do more than mention the Cardasians in conflict with one group or another, the complicated relationship of the Klingons and Romulans, or other such?
@@travissmith2848 Well, if there were reports of crewmen disappearing for hours at a time and reappearing with limbs having been detached and reattached incorrectly or having their entire blood supply replaced, even among the rival powers, then the episode would have indicated that there was precedent for such things happening. Instead it came across as that it never happened before and though little was done to permanently resolve it, it was never mentioned again either.
I suppose we have seen some interaction between Klingnons and Romulans in TNG and DS9 pretty well covered how those two relate to the Cardassians as well. The Ferangi are a bit of an odd one though as we are told they are successful, but it is difficult to imagine them doing well in interactions with any of those other three.
But then we got cases such as-- why did the Alpha/Beta quadrant races not work together to repel the Borg? Seems like they were a bigger threat than the Dominion.
As much as I agree with you on a emotional level. Intellectually there's no reason for everyone to know everyone else, space is big and all.
That being said star trek writers usually can thread the needle so fingers crossed.
@@TheHobgoblyn Why try to permanently resolve something that happened once and appeared to be the result of a specific combination that thereafter carried a strong warning to avoid?
And other than a Romulan colony how much of a threat did the Borg present themselves as to everyone else? They seemed rather focuses on the one group they knew was interesting (something quite in character). So, perhaps no joint effort was made because it wasn't seen as large scale of a threat to anyone else.
@@travissmith2848 Isn't it odd that the Borg would find no interest in the Romulans, Klingnons, Cardassians or any of the supposedly equally powerful races that we rarely see though?
Why focus only on the humans.
Ooh definitely a spooky episode with creepy creatures in the dark performing cryptic medical experiments. That's some nightmarish stuff when you think about it. Thank you for another interesting video!
Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you friends! :)
What I liked about this epsiode is it is very remanisant of alien abduction you hear about in the real world. It gave the episode a little extra creepyness.
I was wondering why noone elaborate on how warp itself was destroying an edge of their galaxy in TNG. They didn't get deep into that subject.
Technology improved and now it's not an issue...
It's inherent to Star Trek that they be able to travel as fast as they can. Putting a limit on warp speed hinders that notion, so they dropped it. Besides, they could just bypass it by creating an emergency that required it, so there wasn't really much of a point.
Voyager's nacelles that could change configuraturation always been my head cannon aound that. New generation of warp drives slowly being spread throughout the fleet. Schematics on how to bypass the damage from existing warp engines no doubt published by the federation without fee. No reason not especially if the service offered free of charge.
Seriously... I thought anything beyond Warp 6 was considered dangerous and needed approval. But then in Voyager they were able to get to Warp 10.
As much as I love the Iconians, I've never liked just how much is tied to them.
I kinda want canon Trek to do a deeper dive into them forcing STO to have to move away from small universe syndrome.
I personally enjoy both non-canonical scenarios, but I do lean towards the more sinister one a little as well.
That said however, while keeping their mysterious presence is fine, it's kind of hard to do that for some adults without purposely keeping characters, governments etc from studying them, because most beings and their intentions can be boiled down to simple desires and needs. It's something I realized when thinking on eldritch gods and the allure of beings who's goals were beyond mortal minds, but I realized that's incredibly silly when you think on it, because there's nearly always a goal, unless the being or beings are of true chaotic mentality/existence.
I do agree that they should come back though, as they were a great, creepy species that disturbed many, including myself.
Great episode!
And a late Happy Thanksgiving.
I saw that episode as "alien abduction, Star Trek style."
I hate when Trek have these intruiging aliens and never go back to them... the clicky aliens from Schisms and the Silent Enemy aliens from Enterprise. I loved that STO fleshed out their backstory and presence.
This sort of thing is essential to creating a larger world, it's verisimilitude.
Solanae, Elachi. Servitors to the Iconians
Fitting release for today, as I just commissioned a Dyson Destroyer.
As mysterious as the species are, there's something about their technology and architecture depicted in STO that I adore, to the point I make Dyson Joint Command my Base of Ops instead of Earth
Schisms was one of the episodes where the writers truly explored the concept of "Meeting New Life and New Civilisations" where most of TNG's episodes was meeting one humanoid or human like species after another. This was an episode where they tackled a species totally alien in motivations and it was one of TNG's best and more memorable. One of the few Nitpicks I had with TNG was that they reused too many basic plot outlines for too many episodes, they weren't bad episodes, but they felt more formulaic. Understandably writers aren't given very much time to write each season, before production starts, so they have to find ways to speed things up and cut some corners to get things done.
When i watch this Episode first time, I had fever and I fell in a sleep front of screen. I had worst nighmares ever thanks for that clicking sound
The vid I’ve been waiting for!! The mysterious sub-space aliens!! One of the best aliens in the series!! I’m glad they were expanded on in STO
Now let's find out who the entities from S4:E17 were.
You have to wonder how they locked onto to someone, on a ship, in space, in motion, in a different level of “reality” than their own.
I always interpreted subspace as other parallel levels to the universe, so that subspace was effectively another universe cohabitating with our own.
Great video as usual! Love these!
When I first saw the episode preview, it was right after "Relics" aired. The creepy SFX of the whaleprobe pulsating was used.
*curious how the Tholians, Borg or Species 8742 would have reacted to these experiments...my guess is not very well*
I can't imagine the Tholian's physiology would've held up well without some extra-special conditions in the experiment chamber, Species 8472 probably would've woken up during the experiments because they're basically immune to everything, and fucking god help the Solanae if the Borg ever learned of their existence, because their ability to basically teleport people from anywhere into a subspace pocket would be JUST the kind of tech to get their mechano-dicks hard as diamond.
This episode absolutely freaked me out in a way that no other star trek episode ever has.....even 20 years later watching clips gives me goose bumps and makes me shudder.....something supremely terrifying they managed to create here.....
I loved that STO mission. As soon as I heard that clicking it was an oh boy here we go, I haven't forgotten these guys.
After rewatching voyager then TNG back to back it's amazing how many plots voyager rehashed from TNG. This was definitely one of them.
It's a shame these interesting stories aren't explored more
Yes, instead we get the Picard series that explains things we don’t want to know more about 🤨
It's borg all the way down
"There were two factions, one wanted to invade our space, the other did not"
No no no! The moment you explain a species like this in such a mundane and familiar, human way, you completely ruin them! Whoever wrote that didn't know what they were doing...
The Star Trek Online explanation is far better, very reminiscent of the Drakh from Babylon 5, though I'm still partial to keeping them intentionally vague and mysterious. Sometimes it is far better to hint and allude, but never outright tell. Especially when writing horror.
Outstanding episode!
I remembered this one when I did a full series rewatch a few years ago, and had to go back to rewatch it a few times because it stuck with me so much.
It hit about every fear I have: sleep paralysis, secret medical experiments, and that fucking clicking noise. It was the scariest part of the Shayamalan movie "Signs" and I'm thinking he got the idea here.
I actually like the idea of them being related to the Iconians. and think that this could be adapted into the tv series canon, but with sto variation being a timeline where the Iconians had survived. While in the main timeline the Iconians had died out, and now you have three many servitor races still existing yet maybe in a civil war between each other batting for control of the remaining Iconian tech they can find. Also I could see them doing both info gathering an creating things for a group, as well as trying to learn about real space an the anatomy of the beings there, since if they were altered by the Iconians their anatomy would have changed quite drasticly to survive in sub-space. So their attempt at learning about real space an the anatomy of those in it, could be them trying to relearn what they had forgotten, and regain an ability to exist in real space as they had in eons prior to their change by the Iconians.
Another great video Rick thanks sir 😊
I love the video and the small "gift" at the end. lol
It is as Q had said in...."Q-who"? where we meet the Borg for the first time. "Its not safe out here. Its Wonderous, with Treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But its not for the timid"
Honestly, i think i find the agnostic explorer archetype more terrifying then the malicious invader.
Crustaceans??? I thought they were intelligent, amoral, subspace Chameleons.🦎
Whoever is the Admiral that reads Enterprise-D's mission reports must be so jaded by now, nothing shakes them anymore:
"We encountered an entity made entirely of silicon that razed a whole colony..." - Hum, that seems serious...
"Captain Picard has been kidnapped by the Borg and has allied with them. Calls himself Locust, now." - What is happening in this ship?!
"Our crew has been experimented on (invasively), on a nightly basis, for several days by an unknown species that, as best we can tell, is capable of dwelling in sub-space" - Sure, why not?
I show this episode to ppl who have never seen Star Trek before they are like wow is really dark. It gets them hooked
Schisms? I literally just watched that episode two days ago
And there was that mystery thing that the solanae sent through the rift in the cargo bay before the crew closed it.
Certifiably Ingame: "Click"
Me: "What You Say About My Mama!??!?!
This is one of my favorite episodes. You knew it was going down when Data was abducted.
Star Trek grays. Basically.
Solanae being responsible for the Dyson sphere AND the aliens in Conspiracy wtffff with the Iconians. Mind blown
This is what happens when Trek decides to go the horror alien abduction story.
STO never gave any information on what happened to them. We got a finality for the Elachi but the last we hear of the Solonae is stopping their entry into the Iconian War. We don't know what happened to them after that. Were they abandoned by the Iconians like the Elachi?
Most likely. They didn't really serve a purpose once most of the Iconians backed off aside from T'Met. If any of them are still active, they probably work for her but they never did show up again. I guess being deprived of the spheres they had built forced them to lay low - or the writers just haven't thought up a way to use them again yet. Might be cool if they tied into the Terran Gambit somehow.
What ended up happening to the Elachi?
@@christophernemeth421 They live in the DISCO Mushroom Kingdom, and we visit there from time to time.
@@christophernemeth421 Turns out the Elachi were from the same realm as the Jasep in Discovery's mycelial realm that the Iconians recruited after they started taking sentient beings from our spacetime.
@@christophernemeth421 After the Iconians discarded them. The last Elachi returned to their home in the mycelium network.
Love that they have shades of _The Hounds of Tindalos_ and _Dreams in the Witch House_
Maybe the fact that they look so similar to humanoid life in the episode has something to do with their suitability in that environment. Maybe they have a true form which must be altered in order to exist in a environment such as ours.
Beautiful Guys
You gotta love Star Trek Online picking up the MANY dangling plot threads from throughout the various tv series.
Funny you should mention the neural parasites. A few hours ago a felt something biting my hand. I looked down and saw this little bug that looked very much like those parasites. It was black and yellow and had those big pincher looking things and a similar body shape. It made me think of that episode and here I am coming across it in a random video.
Prediction before watching the video: they are one in the same as the Guardians and Sphere Builders. The suits they wear that obscure their forms are to protect them from the artificial real-space they created to study beings from our reality.
What's wrong with simple curiosity? If they appear again it might be interesting if they ignore humanoids and instead randomly remove parts of the ship to test before putting them back.
That episode still freaks me out...
It was amazing! But it FREAKS me out...
I think they are all explorers, and have a thirst for knowledge, but have no concept of morals and are brutal in the application and acquisition of that knowledge.
I loved this episode! I actually like a lot of the creepier episodes like Booby Trap and Frame of mind. 😊
These Solonae sound a lot like the Mi-Go from Lovecraft's "The Whisperer in Darkness", not so much from their physical description, but their origins and way of life. In fact, they fit each other rather well in this as being the same species of creature.
STO really does the Solanae justice. A lot of species got fleshed out by STO, such as the Spherebuilder, Nakuhl etc. that’s why I love STO so much.
I have a feeling they might be seen in Picard season 3, the teaser gives me that impression.
I like sfdebris’ interpretation that these were a first-contact team that seriously bungled it up.
Theory on the polymer blood guy: they wanted to plastinate him to preserve a human specimen.
"What Were the Solanae"
Terrifying, next question?
I love this episode
i always think that either would be good... and honestly both could be true depending on the universe.
i've encountered very similar entities while on salvia. i was on a table as a flesh mound and they poked me with sharp objects.
Think a Star Trek writer got abducted and the Tng episode got made after. Either that or the abduction phenomenon was spiking enough to reach other sections of our culture.
Just my own opinion, so take it for what it's worth.
If you go only by that episode it's the best way to leave them. Once you assign motivations to their actions it misses the point. Being while on a surface level anyone can argue their actions are evil. Fans who like going deeper can find a lot of grey there. Can you say they see anyone in Star Fleet universe as intelligent? Do we know for sure they aren't causing them just as much harm by being there? As well this all starting the same time as other actions we can never be completely sure that correlation and causation are linked .
I like to think that the entities from "Night Terrors" (ST:TNG S4:E17) were fleeing the Solanae.
I think that the enterprise doing their work and experiments got their attention and they knew that this place existed and was doing experiments wondering what we where and such.
This episode gave me horrific nightmares
Remember that time Jeordi got turned into an alien. I like that episode but something never sat right with me till I realized that they wipe out that species at the end of the episode by leaving a warning beacon. If nobody ever goes there again then that alien race will eventually die off.
"the Schisms" were the creation of T N.G. writer Tracy Tormé ( he would go on to create the TV shows "Sliders" "Odyssey 5" and "Carnivàle") . what most people don't know is he's a "Ufologist" (a person that researchers U.F.O.) he baced them on accounts of ufo Aubductons ( he also wrote the scripts for "Fire In The Sky" "Intruders" and produced some of the best ufo documentary ever made, his most recent "The Phenomenon" was a big hit this year). also he is the son of the legendary Mel Tormé . en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_Torm%C3%A9
Now that's settled I'll ask who were the aliens in the episode
(Night Terrors)?
"Eyes In The Dark"
"One Moon Circles Two"
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Krustation people you say?
Krab people! Krab people! Krab people!
Have you done a Star Trek Online episode about them? If so, what is the link or time frame to look for it?
Either way, they rank alongside Dr.Who's the Silence or Weeping Angels for scariest monsters IMO. 😱
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in star trek online they’re associated with the iconians, which given their mysterious disappearance, doesn’t seem that far off
It is odd that Schizem is basically the same story as Where Silence Has Lease but without the playful extra dimenisnal being
My all time favourite "creepy" and borderline horror star trek episodes
Be interesting to see what the result would be if the Solanae discovered Species 8472 and decided to move to fluidic space as their new homeland.
To answer that question. Those mysterious aliens in Schisms are the Dewans.
this episode and the dyson sphere are some of the issues and plot points that Star trek seems to ignore or forgot about. Like, supposedly in Picard, we have Romulan refugees....from 1 system...of a faction that spanned hundreds of planets...are we to believe EVERY planet they owned was destroyed (al la STO?) Even if that was the case...why is no one saying ...."hey, we got all these displaced peoples....you know where we can put them...the dyson sphere that has enough land mass for 250MILLION M class planets!!!!" but nah, lets create some needlessly convoluted system of events that make no sense. lol
Writer: I wanna do an alien abduction episode.
Producer: But this is Star Trek. _shrugs_ If you can figure out how to do an alien abduction episode, I'll let you write one.
Does anyone else feel like these guys hired the folks doing almost the same thing on Voyager?
Wasnt this the creepy bastards who took off Rikers arm, and perfectly re attached it? 😳 Yeah, they can just stay in their own realm thanks😬
the remind me of the interdimensional aliens in Buckaroo Banzai
Those eyes make them look like Chameleons.
Did they mention their name in the episode cos the first time I heard Solonae was in STO and I don’t remember them being named in schisms
Sto is full of new timelines lol
I think maybe they moved to subspace to avoid the Borg.