@@Inkosi_uJabu_Ndlovu Most likely for the same reasons as me. I am horrified bc he massacred a fantastic bike skeleton. He turned it into a Frankenstein creation. But still, It was a perfect creation and we loved it and the imagination. I own several bikes and the thought of someone doing that to one of mine horrifies me. The creativity he puts into this is amazing.
The only problem with this design is that because you wrapped the chain around the wheel well, the gear ratio is much larger, so you gain less distance when you petal. You would spend alot more energy riding this bike than any other bike. Other than that, the design is really futuristic, it gives me a Tron vibe. Great work.
i think instead of around the large diameter of the wheel, perhaps a small set on the inside of the wheels rim and have the teeth inwards, probably badly explained.... i think google images internal gear pinion but its the large gear that moves and the pinion is the cassette
You could also ditch the transfer chainring and additional oversize chain, moving the cassette to the rear hub. It would cut down on a lot of weight. Just a thought.
The other issue is bearing noise. The metal on metal sound of the wheel on the bearings. Also didn't see him shift gears or go off road. I imagine mud if ridden off-road is a issue too. Dirt don't do well going between smooth surfaces . But you designed a great show bike and conversation piece.
I was thinking along those lines too. It's an off road bike but as soon as you go through any deep muddy puddles the bearings and drivetrain will be screwed.
"But you designed a great show and conversation piece" What do you mean "but"? The guy posts every project on UA-cam with no schematics, instructions, discussion of the build, etc. Every thing he creates, beginning to end, is for the sole purpose of show. ...and of course, the ongoing conversation between engineers and pseudo engineers.
You couldn’t look at the thumbnail and not think “how in the Hell?” Also, the transitions and editing of this video are perhaps some of the most interesting I’ve seen
Front wheel is fine you can use bearings Back wheel also fine but very inefficient imo cuz the circle that the chain goes around is way bigger than the gear at the pedals powering it That’s what I thought when looking at the thumbnail
The fact that the chain has to go around the whole tire is a terrible idea because it takes more effort to complete a full circle, just look how fast he peddles and how slow he goes. you need smaller gears so it makes the tire spin more per pedal. With this design it takes multiple pedals to complete a cycle Looks cool though
I would be questioning the brakes but I can't imagine anyone is going to be riding that fast enough considering how terrible that gear ratio is to matter.
I really enjoy reading all the people who say make comments about how this isn’t practical. What’s practical about most cool things on UA-cam? Awesome creation!
I've messed about with bikes, I've messed with angle grinders and I've messed with making videos. I am not worthy. The art and skill on display here is simply awe-inspiring!
Nice design without any practical benefits. This would be the first thing in my mind. The second, it's not even a nice design, just unusual. So it's good if you are an exhibitionist and not really interested in cycling.
@@leventegaspar8388 Totally agree. This design introduces way too much friction thus lost pedalling energy and the gear ratio is way too inconvenient. Looks cool though
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@@nickafc3975 That's fine. So basically he is saying that his skills and imagination are so good that he can brag if he wants. He has the right to brag.
Those Barrens in that rim that r welded in have to be cut out and it has to be re engineered to put them back in there basicly roller blade Barrens. They do eventually burn up and have to b replaced , And without the spokes the rim will eventually warp alot easyier maybe it will b slightly more ridged because the rims being wider but this bike will not be able to handle any serious bumping and jumping around or the rims r gonna warp its now basicly ment to be a beach cruiser bike and lightly used on flat smooth surfaces or for short rides its ultimately a huge fail..
@@oldtunes817 not to mention he cut off all the gears so now he only has one gear and nothing to switch. Bro I always ride high gear and this would be hell because he's essentially riding low gear
Agree, there's no actual improvement, and wheels should be quite sturdy. Although with some fiddling and experimenting i bet it can be done somewhat properly/reasonably well.
Didn't you just like. Explain engineering in a sense anyways? Everything has to be done before you can make it work. The gear ratios though. That was driving me nuts to be honest.
I was intrigued by this, because I was thinking of something similar for one of my projects. At first I was concerned about the lack of brakes, but then noticed the brake disc on the intermediate layshaft / gear set, because after some thought, it was exactly where I expected to see it. What I still can't work out is the attachment of the large rear sprocket wheel [ presumably another custom cut part ] to the rear wheel rim, and why that fat tyre doesn't rub against the chain, & push it off the sprocket. Any ideas, or working hypotheses greatly appreciated.
The mechanical stress at the point where the wheels attach to the main frame would be very high. It is most likely unsafe as the welds may easily break upon breaking moderately hard or while riding over rough terrain. But aesthetically this looks great.
Except not. He only shows 2 seconds of himself riding it because with this design that bike won't go over like 5 mph. When you remove the hub but then just make the whole wheel the hub, you haven't accomplished anything. In fact, you've made the bike impossibly slow.
I’m no engineer, but just watching him try to pedal through those gear ratios and all that contact resistance was exhausting. The good ole ball-bearing hub axle concept hasn’t been around for these many years by accident. But I do salute his creativity and initiative.
Yep, Not to mention that the chain will collect much dirt on the back tyre, .. and road bumps and cracks can quickly break off the wheels from this joint.
The ball bearing in the very center turn much slower than it does in this example. Just calculating the circumference of the circle ( 2 x pi x r ) gives you an idea of the difference. The man is very good and creative. Would love to see a magnetic version of it, without ball bearing.
Next: put an electric motor on the bike and cover both sides of the chassis. Then put some neon lights on the bike and there you go, you have a DIY mini tron bike.
@@misterdinner3648 in the demo he was using the highest gear possible on that bike, yet look at his speed compared to the cadence. It is however a cool project none the less
@Spoutinwyze It’s not that it’s not practical, it just needs some touch ups. Although, I don’t really think it would be better then it’s previous, unaltered form.
This video has given me plenty of insight on hubless vehicles. There are plenty of flaws in the idea, that are not present in regular bikes, which makes this idea hard to justify in real life. Sure, the build is fantastic and manages to address most of the issues inherent in the hubless bike idea, but those are still workarounds specific to this build. The most jarring issue for me would be the fact that there is one less mechanism shielding the rider and the components, which are more numerous and more fragile, from shocks in the ground, which was mitigated by using a fat wheeled bike, whose tyres absorb much more impact than other bikes. Second off is the effective removal of an entire axle from the drivetrain, which messed up the force multipliers involved. The bike is painfully slow, and while I can bet it is a breeze to climb up hills with, you aren't likely to get much speed out of it. This bike wouldn't have functioned at all without that second gear he added at the end, and in his final demonstration you can notice he had to speed up the footage to appear to move at regular speed. Basically, it is a really cool vanity build, but not really practical.
Good point about the shocks and fat tyres. As I'm just starting to think of such a build, I needed to know that. Thanks. Gears I already know; you're quite right, and thanks for pointing out the sped up footage. I'll have it a bit easier. I'm planning a reclining vehicle which will give me more room to sort out the ratios. Hublessness will still limit the space for gearing, but I'll have about a meter or so of length to play with.
My first thought is dirt getting into the "rims", or even a small sharp/jagged rock getting kicked up into the inner rim area could jam in those indentations and cross rods/bearings... or just grind you to a halt if you got into some sand or mud.... but my second thought is WHY... what actual advantage does this have? or what disadvantage of current designs was this supposed to be addressing?
@@williamghost1516 Advantage, I'd say, when I was just a little kid, I was riding my bicycle barefoot and actually got my foot/toes caught in the spokes and it was extremely painful! 😭 Not sure how common that is, but when I saw the thumbnail I thought, oh at least I won't get my feet stuck in the spokes 🤣
The only issues I can see; 1) If the chain to the rear wheel derails, the only brake becomes inoperative. Would be exciting if you're going downhill when it happens. 2) Dirt or debris would be a big problem. City bike only, no hills, no dirt.
Cool concept but there's a reason wheels have a centered axle, the weak point here is the back tyre, imaging the leverage put onto the point where the tyre connects to the frame. Engineers *hate* him.
looks great. functionally, good for building muscles and endurance I would imagine (if you ride long enough). Once u get used to the weirdness of it compare to a conventional bike. edit: this is mainly to point out the pros without hitting the con straight on the nose as respect to the amount work put in. The guy only had the gears, chain/pedal gear and cassette/cog from a normal bike to work with. Otherwise I would imagine he can make a bike with much better gear ratio and maybe even ability to change gear, depends on resources and design. (for those curious, hub is just the round pipe thing at center of the gear circle/wheel. In this version, the hub is moved and is no longer spin in a 1:1 ratio to the wheel (conventional bike). So it is hubless if you just focus on the wheel, but still has a hub over all, it just moved to elsewhere.
@@HardWayback that's not the point. compare to a typical conventional bike, if you look at the physics of it, the gears etc. compare same force applied with a typical bike, with this bike you either 1) would going A LOT slower or 2) have to modify it and use A LOT more force to get the same speed. Looks cool tho.
Nice brakes! ;-) I suspect the friction in the system probably serves as self-braking. As a satellite engineer who does occasional recreational bicycle engineering, I do enjoy your projects.
I love how he put the chain on the wheel, but it messes with his peddle to wheel spin ratio - he has to peddle a lot more for the wheel to turn. I suppose that is why you don’t see in bikes. Looks so badass though. EDIT pedal*
To remove the chain you need to open one of its links. It doesn't look like but they have one link that can be opened. Very hard to do without proper tools though.
Great innovation, creativity and ingenuity ! 10 out of 10 !! This is an excellent example of lateral thinking. But I don't understand what is the problem that is being addressed by all this effort? How can we better use these creative minds , since they are clearly getting bored!. The modern bicycle is already such an efficient machine. What is the next limiting factor that is holding back such a practical mode of transport?? Puncture-proof tyres? Electric ABS brakes? Improved drive train or gearing ratios???? Your thoughts welcomed
I saw someone do that with a drone flying through the frame of a BMX bike. It was really quite epic. Now how about attaching a camera to the inside of the rim lens pointing at the phantom hub?
@@jenky1044 You made me happy realizing that I am not the only one remembering that. I remember this concept from the late 80s, with pictures of concept cars with this kind of wheels wheels, was supposed to be the future. Looked great, but didn't work out.
This wouldn't take off on a large scale, reason why big companies haven't messed with bicycle technology for years. Why make something more complicated when it's been made easy for you?
@@XIskandarX I don't know mechanics well but I would ask myself. How durable and resistant to break it is - you have high forces in one point. If someone more sturdy uses it might just break on the first curb. Chains are very tense and power transmission - you would need to calculate how energy efficient it is. Also, there is a loud music as background so you can hear how ball bearings act. Next, for me it's just to many parts - consider something breaks. I think there lots of other things that people who know mechanical engineering would point out. ( @always eatinpotatos is mentioning more in the comments in other thread)
Comments have covered nearly everything already. I was expecting to see the front gear adapted to an enormous size to overcome the extreme low gear ratio, or a demonstartion of hill climbing, not just that awkward 'too low of a gear' look.
@@theclaybeartravels3596 Those ball bearings in the wheel produce several times the friction of rotation that a normal tire has, there is a lot of added weight, the gearing ratio is horrible (see how the chain goes all around the wheel) and maybe im blind but I dont see any breaks.
And WHY. are these not on the market, despite many incarnations over the past 20 years? Answer: 1. Minimal capability of variable gearing. 2. Wheel strength entirely dependent upon the rim strength = heavy wheels, poor acceleration and climbing 3. Ride qualities will be very poor due to minimal bump compliance. Very rough ride. Fat tyres to compensate only make for greater weight and poor acceleration. 4. No capability to mount racks and panniers to carry any luggage. 5. Braking and stopping? 🤔
Not necessarily. You do not use a full ring of bearings. You can but it would weigh more, cost wildly more and the seals would e harder to maintain. But a 3-5 sealed bearings. 3-5 sealed bearings may weigh more but it is dismissible compared to those giant moon bike tires. Any hubless/spokeless system would NOT be any louder (noisier) than with an axle and spokes. You may be thinking non-pneumatic tires on that one. Also, a few sealed bearings can be repaired or replaced pretty easily. The Bearings would be sealed against the elements just as they are now. So that is not a big concern either. (Edit: Sorry I was thinking of a fully engineered and produced hubless/spokeless wheel system. Not a DIY set-up. My bad. Should have watched it all the way through first.)
Pointing out flaws just misses the whole point of the video. They never said it will replace your conventional bicycle. It's meant to be a proof of concept and a cool little art project. The engineering challenges he overcame are nothing to scoff at either. It's much more of a concern if he were to claim unrealistic benefits or try to sell the design with false claims.
Also would foul up the chain very fast, even in relatively dry weather, as it sits way closer to the ground. And it's probably a lot more sensitive to dings compared to a regular spoked wheel. At the same time, it would take a lot more force to ding that thick steel ring.
Looks really cool as a prototype. Can't imagine it being durable in it's current state but like the idea. Probably better suited for a full electric bike
I can already see trickshotters riding up a ramp and when they’re in the air, some other dude would throw some sort of sports ball throw the hubless tire and afterwards landing the ball in some kind of goal
So what fascinated me the most by this build is that huge sprocket on the rear wheel. Could that be modified to fit the rim of a regular tire? Like in addition to its regular gears. Because with the right gear ratio and an ac generator, that would make an excellent restorative charging system for e-bikes, to utilize some of the momentum of the bike or energy spent peddling, to help recharge some of the battery reserves. Obviously its not free energy, as the generator will be taking energy from the over all system of the movement. But if your were able to engage and disengage it as needed, you could utilize coasting down hills as a way to get a quick recharge as needed. Or opt to peddle a bit harder to charge the battery, while you still aren't tired, so you could take a break later. But with the right gear ratio, like this one, I don't think it would take a significant amount of effort to gain back some charge.
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Where’s the breaks?
The problem with this design is that you reach your destination more slowly due to the increased quantity of people asking what you're riding!
and it is even slower than before. look at him kicking in the pedals just to reach snail speed
😂
@@Zyclon_Break That's because of size ratio.
😂
With that transmission he wont go faster than 6mph
That's one of the most intriguing thumbnails I've ever seen. Couldn't not click.
Lol
I have reddit too, very cool.
I thought the wheels are magnetically levitating the bike frame
Couldn’tn’t
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As a bike mechanic I am both genuinely impressed and just a little horrified. Beautiful work!
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Why horrified?
@@Inkosi_uJabu_Ndlovu I'm guessing he isn't convinced of its overall safety in the hubless design but idk
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yes, very clever. would have never thought of that idea.
@@Inkosi_uJabu_Ndlovu Most likely for the same reasons as me. I am horrified bc he massacred a fantastic bike skeleton. He turned it into a Frankenstein creation. But still, It was a perfect creation and we loved it and the imagination. I own several bikes and the thought of someone doing that to one of mine horrifies me. The creativity he puts into this is amazing.
The only problem with this design is that because you wrapped the chain around the wheel well, the gear ratio is much larger, so you gain less distance when you petal. You would spend alot more energy riding this bike than any other bike. Other than that, the design is really futuristic, it gives me a Tron vibe. Great work.
its easier to pedal, but you need to pedal faster
That's right, more pedaling or more times doing it! 🚴
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Exactamente entre más larga de cadera menos velocidad lastima se veía muy bien el diseño ya después pues no 😂
Yes, congratulations 👌.
i think instead of around the large diameter of the wheel, perhaps a small set on the inside of the wheels rim and have the teeth inwards, probably badly explained.... i think google images internal gear pinion but its the large gear that moves and the pinion is the cassette
All it needs now is LED's in the rims 👌
That thumnail gets everyone I guess
I don’t think you need those they are just optional stuff LEDs are not mandatory and I’ll just take up more power.
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That gearing ratio...gonna be a good workout on the legs!
Viceversa, i guess
It's gonna be really easy though. And it wont get you very fast
The weight from the rims would be massive too right? Acceleration momentum must feels like hell.
Maybe because the bike just isnt very efficient as the wheels add alot of friction to it /:
Yep
Bruh my man just made a manual Tron bike it's evolving!
Just backwards
@@esther.m3756 nah it's just slow
That was what I thought too. Little weird but a good start.
What would look really cool is if you now fitted non-functional spokes to the hubs, so it looked like you were moving on stationary wheels!
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THAT would be so trick!!
Genius idea
We ridin spinnaz
Or even make them turn backwards. And you call it "The Moon-ride"
@@SullySadface wouldn't it be a reverse spinner?
thats basically how we get a 'tronlegacy' style light cycle . nice one !
Need some neon lights and engine - and we have it DIY :)
Maybe someday there will be a electric bicycle like this!
@@Ash-br1pu It was already built ages ago...try to search for Tron light cycle...some small company which producing electric bikes made one...
At this point, hubs and spokes would be a nice improvement.
Would reduce weight too!
Good thinking man.
And brakes
@@JohannGambolputty22 to be fair, he still has a disc brake in the rear triangle, attached to his gearing.
Should weld the spokes to the blue discs so it looks like the wheels are not even turning.
You could also ditch the transfer chainring and additional oversize chain, moving the cassette to the rear hub. It would cut down on a lot of weight. Just a thought.
His cool experiments and the editing... Makes it a masterpiece.❤️
The other issue is bearing noise. The metal on metal sound of the wheel on the bearings. Also didn't see him shift gears or go off road. I imagine mud if ridden off-road is a issue too. Dirt don't do well going between smooth surfaces . But you designed a great show bike and conversation piece.
I was thinking along those lines too.
It's an off road bike but as soon as you go through any deep muddy puddles the bearings and drivetrain will be screwed.
"But you designed a great show and conversation piece"
What do you mean "but"? The guy posts every project on UA-cam with no schematics, instructions, discussion of the build, etc. Every thing he creates, beginning to end, is for the sole purpose of show.
...and of course, the ongoing conversation between engineers and pseudo engineers.
True, not a very durable design. Just a rolling piece of engineering art. I can appreciate it for that.
You couldn’t look at the thumbnail and not think “how in the Hell?” Also, the transitions and editing of this video are perhaps some of the most interesting I’ve seen
Front wheel is fine you can use bearings
Back wheel also fine but very inefficient imo cuz the circle that the chain goes around is way bigger than the gear at the pedals powering it
That’s what I thought when looking at the thumbnail
The fact that the chain has to go around the whole tire is a terrible idea because it takes more effort to complete a full circle, just look how fast he peddles and how slow he goes. you need smaller gears so it makes the tire spin more per pedal. With this design it takes multiple pedals to complete a cycle
Looks cool though
He needs to add a small axis on the side rim of the wheel and attach the chain to it but I guess it seemed too complicated at the time.
and this video fragment where he's driving is even speeded up, look at the people on background xD
@@tripylsd?? He installed the calipers at 5:32.
Dont be a hater bro 😎
or he could just make it an e-bike and boom, no effort and loads of power
I would be questioning the brakes but I can't imagine anyone is going to be riding that fast enough considering how terrible that gear ratio is to matter.
It looks like pulling the rear break will rip the chain tensioner off of the bike.
I also envision that there is far more friction involved.
I also have a doubt on suspension
What's this thing weigh? Looks like a tank, a cool tank though.
@Nobody
The spokes flex and act as suspension. This is why they don't use more rigid, forged solid piece wheels.
The montage is more beautiful than the idea itself😂❤
The gear ratio is absolute shit & now you gotta use waaay more energy to ride it. Aesthetically tho it's fire 🔥
That’s what I thought. Looks cool but you can pretty much only ride slow now.
was looking if anyone else noticed and surely the world isnt completely dumb yet.
Is what I first noticed, and that back wheel looked like it would break when he jumped off the curf.
@@theronin Noisy too - but, WTF, looks like fun.
Good workout
I would put a blue light ring around the tire for that extra TRON effect
Underrated
Some LED lights....
That would be cool tho
Is very futuristic look...way better than what's always been made since the 1970s.
TRON 😆
That gear ratio though lol.
Dude was WORKING to get up to 10mph.
It can be improved by using multiple gear assembly like sun planet gear system coz it provides high gear ratio
That's what I thought. He's peddling very hard and getting nowhere fast
It would be same, just a little bit easier on regular bicycle on first gear. But yeah that's solid 30% more taxing ig.
Put a electic motor on it!
Ikr lol
I really enjoy reading all the people who say make comments about how this isn’t practical. What’s practical about most cool things on UA-cam? Awesome creation!
Answering "I made this" to "Where did you buy this?" sounds like such a power move
Yea
@Lucas It definitely is.
Perks of DIY
I've messed about with bikes, I've messed with angle grinders and I've messed with making videos. I am not worthy. The art and skill on display here is simply awe-inspiring!
Imagine being in your local park and seeing this masterpiece rolling around
Nice design without any practical benefits. This would be the first thing in my mind. The second, it's not even a nice design, just unusual. So it's good if you are an exhibitionist and not really interested in cycling.
@@dont6376 i wont
@@leventegaspar8388 Totally agree. This design introduces way too much friction thus lost pedalling energy and the gear ratio is way too inconvenient. Looks cool though
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Coolest Thing I've Ever Seen That's 100% REAL!!!
This could be Mass marketed!
Especially with an Electric Motor System, LED lights and whatever else you can imagine!
You Know.... IT actually looks like the Light Cycles from Disney's "Tron"..... Groovy 💖
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This guy has bragging rights for imagination and construction skills.
This video is helpful, this video increases your knowledge, not just because this video is flexing the rights,
Be better i hope you have good day
@@nickafc3975 That is not what he's saying.
@@daringd3lta574 ok fine, i think i didnt understand sorry
To be honest everyone had the idea he just decided to be crazy enough to do it
@@nickafc3975 That's fine. So basically he is saying that his skills and imagination are so good that he can brag if he wants. He has the right to brag.
Best part about this bike is -
You Don't need Brakes, as you are already moving very slow..🙂
At least people will hear you coming from a distance with that bike.
@@Phoenixrises113 Pedestrians warned by the yelling of anyone riding this bike....
I did notice he was doing a lot of peddling for very little gain in speed.
He just need to put on gearing and brakes on the wheels, and he's good to go!
😂
The engineer in me is screaming but the artist in me is applauding.
looks cool but he just ruined good bike.
Those Barrens in that rim that r welded in have to be cut out and it has to be re engineered to put them back in there basicly roller blade Barrens. They do eventually burn up and have to b replaced , And without the spokes the rim will eventually warp alot easyier maybe it will b slightly more ridged because the rims being wider but this bike will not be able to handle any serious bumping and jumping around or the rims r gonna warp its now basicly ment to be a beach cruiser bike and lightly used on flat smooth surfaces or for short rides its ultimately a huge fail..
So true. That looks like shit to ride
Well it also takes much more pedals to travel a distance than before.....cuz the circumference of back wheel is much larger than the peddling one.🙄
@@oldtunes817 not to mention he cut off all the gears so now he only has one gear and nothing to switch. Bro I always ride high gear and this would be hell because he's essentially riding low gear
Ingenuity is how we move forward. I say 2 thumbs way up. The details can be worked out later. A HUGE SUCCESS!
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Yeah and the people who have seen his other bikes, are also thinking: 'what the heck did this guy build again?' Or 'Dammit, here we go again 😁
@Hocine John solution: make it into an ebike instead.
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Not going to lie I felt physically ill when he was chopping up that beautiful bike. Everything turned out good though.
Idk what u will feel when u see howtobasic
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@@pecfree shut up Jonathan
Me too, that and having a single brake linked via the chain!
It might be noisy and choppy and definitely a slow ride though.
Engineering speaking, this is a mess, insane stress points, no brakes, insane gear ratios, absurd, chain tension, pivotal stress points
Aesthetically speaking: cool
He got disk brakes on the Chain but I think on the first real emergency break the chain would snap or bend under the extreme force
Also i dont think it can go faster than that
Agree, there's no actual improvement, and wheels should be quite sturdy. Although with some fiddling and experimenting i bet it can be done somewhat properly/reasonably well.
Didn't you just like. Explain engineering in a sense anyways? Everything has to be done before you can make it work. The gear ratios though. That was driving me nuts to be honest.
The bearings on the wheels will probably last about 3 minutes.
The Q’s editing skills are almost as good as his building skills, sheesh
who said he's editing himself? Some big youtubers let someone else edit videos, not for free :)
@@mlsterlous Nearly ALL big youtubers pay a video editor.
Sheeeesh
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH.
SHEEEEEEEEESH
When simplicity and functionality just isn't enough.
And basic safety. If the chain slips of or rips you got no brakes
@@BrosBrothersLP The gear ratio is a built-in safety feature, you can't go fast enough for the lack of brakes to be an actual problem.
@@BrosBrothersLP *slips off
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Most bikes in the Netherlands have pedal braking though... Aka it's on the chain.
@@yipperdeyip one of the brakes you should allways have two anyway and the bikes kn the netherlands still have a front wheel brake
I remember when this guy started making stuff out of cardboard… and now he’s made the coolest bike I’ve seen in a while…
Cool but not very practical.
Look aren't everything! =)
And the most useless
@@oldschoolman1444 In this case it kinda is, this is just a cruiser bike to take out on a nice day, I doubt anybody would use this as a commuter bike.
I was intrigued by this, because I was thinking of something similar for one of my projects.
At first I was concerned about the lack of brakes, but then noticed the brake disc on the intermediate layshaft / gear set, because after some thought, it was exactly where I expected to see it.
What I still can't work out is the attachment of the large rear sprocket wheel [ presumably another custom cut part ] to the rear wheel rim, and why that fat tyre doesn't rub against the chain, & push it off the sprocket.
Any ideas, or working hypotheses greatly appreciated.
You can see the rear part right here: 6:23
The mechanical stress at the point where the wheels attach to the main frame would be very high. It is most likely unsafe as the welds may easily break upon breaking moderately hard or while riding over rough terrain. But aesthetically this looks great.
Breaking system don't afford. This is riding problem 🤔
That's what I was thinking.
I can see tons of crap getting into the chain and gumming up the system.
looks unstable overall. And what about that big gear on the back wheel. Where does he get that? Video is kinda fake as not all steps explained.
its insane alright
Bike: looking nice
Reality: •Slowness Experienced•
The lowest gearing one can experience
could be used as a cruiser bike or something like that
The annoying thing is he could’ve made it go faster but chose not to do the extra work which isnt much compared to all the other work.
I think this bike cannot endure. The weels' fixing seems too weak.
Everything else would be suicide as this bike has no brakes (at least I did not see any)
One step closer to Tron's light cycle!! Looks awesome!
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Except not. He only shows 2 seconds of himself riding it because with this design that bike won't go over like 5 mph. When you remove the hub but then just make the whole wheel the hub, you haven't accomplished anything. In fact, you've made the bike impossibly slow.
Babe,it's already here!
I always appreciate makers who make their projects look nice.
Through this bike, you can actually probably make a tiny compartment inside the tires, not revolutionary, but it's something!
Actually, the compartment would be revolutionary
nah it will be very rotationary
@@narunjoe9077 🤣
The object inside should not be delicate or else it will break and it also should not be heavy, because it will spoil the flow of cycling.
Yes, that compartment can be used to store battery and turn the bicycle in to ebike.
Imagine it with a ebike engine = Tron.
An ebike like that actually exists...go and search hubless e bike..
😂👌
The amount of energy he is putting on peddling is just too much
Super slow
Glad I wasn't wasn't the only one to notice
Yup cool look not very practical
he knows it too, but he just demonstrated a cool looking bike.
It’s because he is in a high gear. It’s not reverted to a single gear bike.
Cool design, you did a great job at making it look like an actual bike made by a bike manufacturer and not some Frankenstein creation.
Connect a smaller gear to your rear wheel gear. The chains can link up to the smaller gear and make it theoretically more efficient.
Oh, okay! That's how you take the chain off
I’m no engineer, but just watching him try to pedal through those gear ratios and all that contact resistance was exhausting. The good ole ball-bearing hub axle concept hasn’t been around for these many years by accident. But I do salute his creativity and initiative.
Like special Olympics of DIY. Good effort.
Yep,
Not to mention that the chain will collect much dirt on the back tyre,
.. and road bumps and cracks can quickly break off the wheels from this joint.
The ball bearing in the very center turn much slower than it does in this example. Just calculating the circumference of the circle ( 2 x pi x r ) gives you an idea of the difference. The man is very good and creative. Would love to see a magnetic version of it, without ball bearing.
Is it really creative tho? This type of wheel Is not original and is a very old invention.
@@AB-dz4yb It takes creativity to actually pull off a concept and get all the little mechanical details to work.
Next: put an electric motor on the bike and cover both sides of the chassis. Then put some neon lights on the bike and there you go, you have a DIY mini tron bike.
Talkers talk, doers do
@@Vetrivel.Shanmugam true, easier said than done😅
@@Vetrivel.Shanmugam not everyone has the money 🙃
I knew I would find TRON fans on this.
@@nshctt333 not really a tron fan, but i just like the look of the bikes and the neons.
He makes it look so easy and effortless I wonder how many shots and takes it took to actually get this thing working
Line the inside of those wheels with LEDs so it looks like it's hovering at night.
perfect.
Yeah with glow in the dark paint coats
I think it's more insane, that you showed us how to build one too! Awesome video editing, very capturing
That gear ratio is absolutely mad for the back wheel, I'm sure you could revisit this and have a much better ride.
Yup, way harder to get the speed with that gear
Its a fat bike they need lots of torque for the offroad environments they're intended for.
@@misterdinner3648 in the demo he was using the highest gear possible on that bike, yet look at his speed compared to the cadence.
It is however a cool project none the less
@Spoutinwyze It’s not that it’s not practical, it just needs some touch ups. Although, I don’t really think it would be better then it’s previous, unaltered form.
but it would be ideal for an electric motor
This video has given me plenty of insight on hubless vehicles. There are plenty of flaws in the idea, that are not present in regular bikes, which makes this idea hard to justify in real life. Sure, the build is fantastic and manages to address most of the issues inherent in the hubless bike idea, but those are still workarounds specific to this build. The most jarring issue for me would be the fact that there is one less mechanism shielding the rider and the components, which are more numerous and more fragile, from shocks in the ground, which was mitigated by using a fat wheeled bike, whose tyres absorb much more impact than other bikes. Second off is the effective removal of an entire axle from the drivetrain, which messed up the force multipliers involved. The bike is painfully slow, and while I can bet it is a breeze to climb up hills with, you aren't likely to get much speed out of it. This bike wouldn't have functioned at all without that second gear he added at the end, and in his final demonstration you can notice he had to speed up the footage to appear to move at regular speed. Basically, it is a really cool vanity build, but not really practical.
Good point about the shocks and fat tyres. As I'm just starting to think of such a build, I needed to know that. Thanks.
Gears I already know; you're quite right, and thanks for pointing out the sped up footage. I'll have it a bit easier. I'm planning a reclining vehicle which will give me more room to sort out the ratios. Hublessness will still limit the space for gearing, but I'll have about a meter or so of length to play with.
My first thought is dirt getting into the "rims", or even a small sharp/jagged rock getting kicked up into the inner rim area could jam in those indentations and cross rods/bearings... or just grind you to a halt if you got into some sand or mud.... but my second thought is WHY... what actual advantage does this have? or what disadvantage of current designs was this supposed to be addressing?
my second thought (first was about the speed) was about the strength of the tires. i feel like these rims will warp fairly quickly.
@@williamghost1516 Advantage, I'd say, when I was just a little kid, I was riding my bicycle barefoot and actually got my foot/toes caught in the spokes and it was extremely painful! 😭 Not sure how common that is, but when I saw the thumbnail I thought, oh at least I won't get my feet stuck in the spokes 🤣
The parasitic loss by running gear-to-gear-to-gear renders the design nearly useless.
You can add cyberpunk-like LED lights to the rims of the bicycle wheels.
Also make them glitchy
Adding the electric engine power, make some changes and will be a good time
Pls add android operated touch display system along with electric engine and good graphic design
Yesssssssssss, The Tron lights (as I call them) would be a great idea
"im gonna throw a stick in your wheel" you cant hurt me nomore
Try some sand in the bearings
@@wiktoriaslominska8078 you beat me to it.. well played
@@wiktoriaslominska8078 🤣🤣
Underrated comment
Someone give this person a prize for such a perfect invention
The only issues I can see;
1) If the chain to the rear wheel derails, the only brake becomes inoperative. Would be exciting if you're going downhill when it happens.
2) Dirt or debris would be a big problem. City bike only, no hills, no dirt.
One more thing, the tires aren't hard enough to have good grip. Or he doesn't want to go over 10kmph. Then its no problem
Cool concept but there's a reason wheels have a centered axle, the weak point here is the back tyre, imaging the leverage put onto the point where the tyre connects to the frame. Engineers *hate* him.
seems like a ton of drag using bearings
@@Frono5000 well less air means better grip so you don't want hard tires
You all just told what I wanted to comment.
The best way to go on a bike ride and bring your two hamsters with you.
Don't look down on zip-tying your hamsters to your spokes. They love it.
Haha
GOLD !
Lol
@@mohamedmurad99 lol
looks great. functionally, good for building muscles and endurance I would imagine (if you ride long enough). Once u get used to the weirdness of it compare to a conventional bike.
edit: this is mainly to point out the pros without hitting the con straight on the nose as respect to the amount work put in. The guy only had the gears, chain/pedal gear and cassette/cog from a normal bike to work with. Otherwise I would imagine he can make a bike with much better gear ratio and maybe even ability to change gear, depends on resources and design. (for those curious, hub is just the round pipe thing at center of the gear circle/wheel. In this version, the hub is moved and is no longer spin in a 1:1 ratio to the wheel (conventional bike). So it is hubless if you just focus on the wheel, but still has a hub over all, it just moved to elsewhere.
Imagine actually having everything you need tho
Well yea its a bike
I mean I'm pretty sure that's why normal bikes exist as well
bro, add some commercial advertising on the side of wheel.
@@HardWayback that's not the point. compare to a typical conventional bike, if you look at the physics of it, the gears etc. compare same force applied with a typical bike, with this bike you either 1) would going A LOT slower or 2) have to modify it and use A LOT more force to get the same speed. Looks cool tho.
Nice brakes! ;-)
I suspect the friction in the system probably serves as self-braking.
As a satellite engineer who does occasional recreational bicycle engineering, I do enjoy your projects.
Imagine your dad make this for you and you bring it to school, that's probably the coolest bike there haha
Coolest, but slowest
I wasn't a little angel, but my father still wouldn't want to kill me. There is no brakes.
@@user1_1_1 I agree, it's a bit impractical. The back wheel needs a bit of reinventing.
Riding this cool bike to school is a huge mistake 😂
For those who are saying it lacks brakes, there is a disc brake on the large sprocket.
He and all the people will be shurely amazed when he is going down a cliff and searches for brakes :)
There is a brake you dumbo.
@@anderslarsen4024 Said brakes, not brake
there is a disk brake
@@anderslarsen4024 Why you so angry?
Shurley......
If this is the way bicycles had developed, the person who invented spoked wheels would be hailed as a genius.
True, the rim looks heaver, with greater maintenance then a vehicle needing oil.
Like pllese
He’s genius regardless
Thank you for your time and effort to make this video and share your knowledge with us. Greetings from Croatia.
I love how he put the chain on the wheel, but it messes with his peddle to wheel spin ratio - he has to peddle a lot more for the wheel to turn. I suppose that is why you don’t see in bikes. Looks so badass though.
EDIT pedal*
But there's so much friction he needs a low gear anyway...
Pedal*
Humankind use the updated version of a thing because it's more effective n efficient than before.
Not just bicycle. But also phone for example.
This guys is going to have people slamming tires onto the rims expecting them to just mount and bead up.
Really appriciate your work man , the creativity of your ideas are on the next level, hats off to you 🙂🙂
He did this so the Bullies can no longer put a twig In his spokes. It now requires a team of bullies and a large tree to stop him
@Joshua9875 Gaming Liquid wheels.
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you should make a video showing people's reaction after seeing the hubless bike. great piece of engineering!
Just NO!
@@KMCDM yeah right, because you made the video huh
Wonderfull video. There are millions of content producers who need and should learn from you.
Oh, okay! That's how you take the chain off
Lmaooooooo this got me bc i skipped that part at first
Yep and if it breaks during the ride, you'll be decapitated...
Jimmy you are here?
how to pump up a wheel?
To remove the chain you need to open one of its links. It doesn't look like but they have one link that can be opened. Very hard to do without proper tools though.
I would like to see people's reactions when they see you bike.
And reaction on one speed ;)
My first reaction would be "why is he peddling so fast?"
Looks amazing , but I think it takes lot of energy and power to pedal it .
Absolutely and the play in the bearing setup will be atrocious.
Aye. Dogshit.
Issues is easier to resolve than making the actual prototype.
And no breaks i think
nvm saw you could do a disc brake where the gears would be but its only a single brake setup instead of front and rear
Great innovation, creativity and ingenuity ! 10 out of 10 !! This is an excellent example of lateral thinking. But I don't understand what is the problem that is being addressed by all this effort? How can we better use these creative minds , since they are clearly getting bored!. The modern bicycle is already such an efficient machine. What is the next limiting factor that is holding back such a practical mode of transport?? Puncture-proof tyres? Electric ABS brakes? Improved drive train or gearing ratios???? Your thoughts welcomed
I can see why these aren't being mass produced, its loud and slow. It's looks amazing though!
And the chain is more vulnerable. I mean its nearly on the ground. This concept cant drive offroad.
I know someone who is loud and slow.
I was also thinking that it cannot be fast
That front sprocket has such little wrap, in short time it’s gonna be worn and slipping the chain
And not to mention the spokes add structural integrity to the wheel
imagine doing a drone shot through the wheel while in a trail
Through wheels
That's amazing🤩
This needs to happen @Q
I love your thinking
@Tyler Ipac I was thinking the exact same thing!
I saw someone do that with a drone flying through the frame of a BMX bike. It was really quite epic. Now how about attaching a camera to the inside of the rim lens pointing at the phantom hub?
Technology has advanced so much that we can make wireless bikes now, wow.
what technology does this bicycle used 😕
wow such advanced welding
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Yeah, the hubless wheel came out back before 1990.
@@jenky1044 You made me happy realizing that I am not the only one remembering that. I remember this concept from the late 80s, with pictures of concept cars with this kind of wheels wheels, was supposed to be the future. Looked great, but didn't work out.
What do you means by wireless bikes?
congrats on adding friction to the best energy for work engine mankind has created.
I would like to see a part 2 of this and how it could be made more efficient.
Yeah, or with reparability in mind. Those bearings are going to wear out, and they look not fun to have to replace.
part2>electric motor install in this bike
He can set up a bigger crown
Give me a break!
Fun project, but I can't imagine it getting anywhere near the efficiency of standard setup.
Strap blue LED's on the inside and you'll get a Tron bike!
The problem was the battery
TRON LIGHTS ARE FUCKING SICK!!!!!!!!
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That would be raw
From an engineering standpoint, its rad. From a practical standpoint, follow up with a real time video of you changing the rear tube.
True, as I feel he should of went tubeless as I haven't used tubes in a long time as I got tired of having to change them mountain biking.
or ride through water mud and sand and see if they still roll
This wouldn't take off on a large scale, reason why big companies haven't messed with bicycle technology for years. Why make something more complicated when it's been made easy for you?
I would like to see him apply the brakes
Its beautifull to see!!! But not even 1% pratical!
You're such a talented engineer and fabricator!
People: That's so cool I want one
An Engineer: so you down graded the bike?
Lmao exactly...first thing I thought was “he’s going the wrong way” lmao. Looks cool asf though.
Nah he did a good job
65,000 pedals just to get to the gate
Can you explain me how?
@@XIskandarX I don't know mechanics well but I would ask myself. How durable and resistant to break it is - you have high forces in one point. If someone more sturdy uses it might just break on the first curb. Chains are very tense and power transmission - you would need to calculate how energy efficient it is. Also, there is a loud music as background so you can hear how ball bearings act. Next, for me it's just to many parts - consider something breaks. I think there lots of other things that people who know mechanical engineering would point out. ( @always eatinpotatos is mentioning more in the comments in other thread)
put the spokes back on the frame so it looks like it isnt spinning. lol
yes
underrated
*Genius*
Cool idea！
BANG!! 😎
The transitions were so satisfying to watch🤤
Comments have covered nearly everything already. I was expecting to see the front gear adapted to an enormous size to overcome the extreme low gear ratio, or a demonstartion of hill climbing, not just that awkward 'too low of a gear' look.
Quite genius and amazing, while at the same time it has so many practical problems that it's basically useless...
... and still it is quite funny.
Quit fit for a monkey circuis.
What practical problems are you suggesting?
@@theclaybeartravels3596 Those ball bearings in the wheel produce several times the friction of rotation that a normal tire has, there is a lot of added weight, the gearing ratio is horrible (see how the chain goes all around the wheel) and maybe im blind but I dont see any breaks.
@@myboyee6350 cool, thank you
Sometimes you do things because you feel like it. No benefit analysis needed.
And sometimes you do thing to advertise.
just koz it can be done, doesnt mean it needs to be done
@@jdogsful true, but what's the harm if it was?
I was thinking that why he did that it was of no use
@@tuhituhi701 this world doesnt need more pointless items
The one drawback is he can’t put a card in the spokes to make “motorcycle sounds” 😂
🙄😂😂😂😂😂
Its electric
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Khacovvv
Yo where r u frm
And WHY. are these not on the market, despite many incarnations over the past 20 years?
Answer:
1. Minimal capability of variable gearing.
2. Wheel strength entirely dependent upon the rim strength = heavy wheels, poor acceleration and climbing
3. Ride qualities will be very poor due to minimal bump compliance. Very rough ride. Fat tyres to compensate only make for greater weight and poor acceleration.
4. No capability to mount racks and panniers to carry any luggage.
5. Braking and stopping? 🤔
Changing the tires on this beast would be a pain.
And the bearings to since the screw is solded
It's cool, but will be so heavy to drive, and so loud, not to forget, so hard to fix or replace any of the ball bearings!!
Grinder and welding machine is a pain
Welcome to the world of youtuber, where things are for eye-catching purposes only!
Not necessarily. You do not use a full ring of bearings. You can but it would weigh more, cost wildly more and the seals would e harder to maintain. But a 3-5 sealed bearings. 3-5 sealed bearings may weigh more but it is dismissible compared to those giant moon bike tires. Any hubless/spokeless system would NOT be any louder (noisier) than with an axle and spokes. You may be thinking non-pneumatic tires on that one. Also, a few sealed bearings can be repaired or replaced pretty easily. The Bearings would be sealed against the elements just as they are now. So that is not a big concern either.
(Edit: Sorry I was thinking of a fully engineered and produced hubless/spokeless wheel system. Not a DIY set-up. My bad. Should have watched it all the way through first.)
Pointing out flaws just misses the whole point of the video. They never said it will replace your conventional bicycle.
It's meant to be a proof of concept and a cool little art project. The engineering challenges he overcame are nothing to scoff at either.
It's much more of a concern if he were to claim unrealistic benefits or try to sell the design with false claims.
Also would foul up the chain very fast, even in relatively dry weather, as it sits way closer to the ground. And it's probably a lot more sensitive to dings compared to a regular spoked wheel. At the same time, it would take a lot more force to ding that thick steel ring.
Looks really cool as a prototype. Can't imagine it being durable in it's current state but like the idea. Probably better suited for a full electric bike
yeah electric would be bztter
Yesh but also wouldnt trusthst brakng system
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There is already an full electric bike like this, reevo bike i think
There's no way of changing the bearings easily. It lacks practicality.
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I can only imagine all the looks and the shocked reactions from the people he rode past. I can only imagine all the questions he got.
So all you can do is imagine, huh?
This kinda looks like a Tron Bicycle minus the neon lights...xD
That's a bright idea
@@vishnuk459 that’s not an idea 😑😑
@@vishnuk459 was that pun intentional? because it sure lit up my day.
@@phalanx3803 how did I help you
@@ilgazsahin3346 it could be🙄
I can already see trickshotters riding up a ramp and when they’re in the air, some other dude would throw some sort of sports ball throw the hubless tire and afterwards landing the ball in some kind of goal
Omg 😂
Dude perfect content here
Some kind of ball? What like a ball?
@@mickmc3832 Football, soccer ball, basketball, baseball, those kind of balls
this would fall apart after first jump
So what fascinated me the most by this build is that huge sprocket on the rear wheel. Could that be modified to fit the rim of a regular tire? Like in addition to its regular gears. Because with the right gear ratio and an ac generator, that would make an excellent restorative charging system for e-bikes, to utilize some of the momentum of the bike or energy spent peddling, to help recharge some of the battery reserves. Obviously its not free energy, as the generator will be taking energy from the over all system of the movement. But if your were able to engage and disengage it as needed, you could utilize coasting down hills as a way to get a quick recharge as needed. Or opt to peddle a bit harder to charge the battery, while you still aren't tired, so you could take a break later. But with the right gear ratio, like this one, I don't think it would take a significant amount of effort to gain back some charge.
This video so clean, it got a person with zero knowledge like me interested
Interesting concept even though a ton of friction has been added to the rotation of the wheels.
You can't go fast either...so it doesn't matter, I guess.
@@Choosie99 and makes the bike super heavy so needs even more power to move
@@FluePeak No brakes too
I don't think there are more friction on wheels. Both are free wheels
Yep. Not helped by the gear ratio either but it's so cool that it's worth it
The sound from the gears alone would be maddening. Good look!
only real riders appreciate this guys work to make a thought possile. Thats what its about!