Oh man... I am not into Starcraft 2, but I remember when back in 2007 I was watching all these MLGs, OLSs etc. from Korea and had huge goosebumps during tournaments even though I understood NOTHING from commentaries. This brings so many memories. To be honest I can't believe that FlaSh keeps on getting these titles so many years after. I suppose he's around his 20s now? and still... Most of starcraft:bw players are gone, but he still fights. Unbelievable.
Hey guys, really appreciate all the videos you put up and thanks for all the work. Just wanted to let you know that the "Player's Winning Moment" videos have spoiled a couple of games for me now including this final :( Turns out the series are much less enjoyable after the outcome has been spoiled!
I find it silly that when Protoss win, it's "Protoss OP" thing and when Terran win, it's "Terran is easy to play" or "Terran OP" shit. So basically any faction who win is OP. Well well, guess that's people on the internet for you. Great game btw. Great game. :)
yeah that's how it usually works. most of the people who comment on OP races are usually gold or lower....and and that low level maybe toss dominates a bit more, but in the upper levels (diamon and above) it depends on the player. I am diamond and I see a good spread wins from zerg and terran (i play toss). so no, no race is op, it really is the player
If you go to the Life vs Zest Semifinals video first comments you'll see are "OMG Protoss imba"....come over here and it's "OMG Terran imba" : D Seriously guys, get a clue - it's the players that win, not the race.
Does flash only use terran? He's the best player for me coz he uses terran, the most difficult race to control. Im just curious what he could do if he uses protoss, a more powerful race.
AT LAST FLASH IS BACK AND BE NUMBER 1 AGAIN AT THIS GAME STARCRAFT 2 COMMON MAN I LOVE YOU! BE A LEGEND HERE DEFEAT POLT AND PROVE THAT YOU ARE THE BEST TERRAN PLAYER!
This is something I have felt since I started playing SC2, Marauder and roaches have too much life. It shows in almost every terran game, that mar/mar is the staple to winning pro games. I have watched Flash for a while and he has tried to work against this but has not attained full success. It is now that he embraces it as normal in most any build that he has now won. There are many other factors aside from just going marine/marauder that he has not won a tournament until now but I feel that this is the biggest reason.
To clarify I know roaches have been nerfed since the start but it still has a large influence on the way the game is played against Zerg on a Pro level. I do not feel they are OP in pro league just that their influence is large enough to change the way the way the game is played, narrowing possibilities to a certain point. Although making a change may expose other builds to imbalances at this point because SC2 has been built a certain way.
Part of this is how strong Protoss ground army is, its not the beefy force it used to be (in comparison to SC:BW) so the damage has been raised(on top of and directly because of changes such as unit cluster). I personally feel that Protoss air should play more of an impact in late game. It was given more of a place in early game (probably as a hope to give way to more late game play) in HotS. It's easy to think of good new units for Starcraft but to give the proper units needed to give the wanted changes(or changes to current units) is not easy. I'm thinking of LoV the next expansion, Idk if that's official but that's what I'll call it because it sounds good and fits.
SLSnoX Better?! Tell me, how often do you hear of a Zerg or Terran death ball? Wall off, build death ball, 'A' move.....maybe that impresses some, but seems kind of cheap and lazy to others.
TXforyou X Whine all you want, but if you think Life, a player who fell out of Code A, is better than Zest, a recent 2x GSL champion, you're delusional.
SLSnoX Like I said ~ wall, death ball, 'A" move ~ doesn't impress (Zest did that in 2 of his 3 wins vs. Life) - Protoss has won last 3 consecutive GSL Code S and it also won the last 2 WCS Europe, and the most recent WCS America - so your appeal to GSL titles would only support the position: O.P.rotoss is imba.......Delusional you were saying?
TXforyou X Terrans had their long stretch of dominance... some of us older Protoss players still remember almost being wiped out of GSL by them. Zergs had the same with Brood Lords/Infestors. You wanna discount all the titles won by Terran and Zerg players during those respective time periods? You won't get any sympathy from us Protoss players. I agree though it has gone long enough, and it looks to be changing now anyways.
Karl Hans Well it can arrange somewhat good Matches like this, But only in the Urban Areas, We have a very large population of who have no access to communication, internet and sometimes even basic sanitation, I do have my 1.6 Mbps internet connection but it is such a struggle to get good internet connection in the Urban areas as well, They have'nt reduced internet cost from a long time and Politicians are using this to their advantage!!
I sooo much remember seeing Flash in the late time of Broodwar when Tasteless was casting alone in Korea... Such good memories... But now, since the Kespa switched to SC2 way after SC2 came out because they were closing Broodwar.. He's back. Took him some time but, Flash is Back !! THE GOD IS BACK !!!
KT is the abbreviation of "Korea Telecom". KT is the largest wire company and the 2nd largest wireless company in South Korea. KT is gonna sell 1Gbps internet service product nation wide in the end of 2014 or early 2015. ( I said 1Gbps!! ) It's not a demonstration service nor a small scale service. It's nation wide. So every person can use 1Gbps in Korea. Also in Korea, there is no data limit product. All internet service products are unlimited data capacity.
I understand that flash is a good Terran, but where did all this 'Terran god' stuff come from? Flash was a legend at brood war, but has only really became a significant contender in SC2 in the last 10 months.
he is not the same like in broodwar, that is true. but his performance in the broodwar days is what transforms guys like me into screaming fangirls no matter what.
All of his fans from broodwars is waiting for him to reclaim his throne. I still remember his game in bw vs Type-B, his macro in that game is like he using sc2 control mechanic on bw
Estebani N What? I thought he was actually a god! No shit it's a nickname, fuck-knuckle. I am simply saying that there are way better and more consistent terrans.
It seems like Flash is maphacking. I know this seems very unlikely but he just knows everything that Zest is doing and I know that they know each other well but still.
Andy Kim he felt sorry for his teammate who couldnt win any major tournament for a decade zest is good player. he can have chance to win tournament in the future
hey, can someone tell me how the match ends? like what's the official rule or whatever? because all the units weren't gone, how do they determine the end of the match?
Since it's their job I suppose they'll just have to pay income tax over their earnings. Atleast, that'd be the case where I'm from. I don't know about S-Korean tax rules though but I'd be surprised if they were very different.. Cheers
The commentators talked some about that flash and zest deserved to be in the final, ofcourse they both deserve to be in the final, they are both korean thats all they need to say. I didnt know who zest was and thought to myself "who is zest, how can a random person be in the final with someone like flash", then i saw zest and thought "oh he is korean, thats how".
This is a great series. So much fun to watch
Excited to watch this when the video is processed!
Whoever was observing did a great job, constantly pointing out key pieces of information
Watching this in the end of 2021 and can see how Flash was already on to something with the 3rd fast CC which is the meta for Terran now in 2021.
Of course. Flash the legend, the MVP of all time.
the legend is back
Dude ... be a champion in two games of the same saga must be awesome!!
Flash is God!!
Joan Saag
Especially when there are 10+ years between them, and its not blant remake.
Oh man... I am not into Starcraft 2, but I remember when back in 2007 I was watching all these MLGs, OLSs etc. from Korea and had huge goosebumps during tournaments even though I understood NOTHING from commentaries. This brings so many memories. To be honest I can't believe that FlaSh keeps on getting these titles so many years after. I suppose he's around his 20s now? and still... Most of starcraft:bw players are gone, but he still fights. Unbelievable.
Holy shit flash is still playing? Man I saw him reck his way through brood war omfg
+Kevin Nguyen old school.
The return of THE KING!!!!!!!!
Amazing tournament! Keep 'em coming and great coverage of ESLtv as per usual. Thanks
Hey guys, really appreciate all the videos you put up and thanks for all the work.
Just wanted to let you know that the "Player's Winning Moment" videos have spoiled a couple of games for me now including this final :( Turns out the series are much less enjoyable after the outcome has been spoiled!
These guys are so stoic. Crack a smile just once.
feminism intensifies...
I find it silly that when Protoss win, it's "Protoss OP" thing and when Terran win, it's "Terran is easy to play" or "Terran OP" shit.
So basically any faction who win is OP. Well well, guess that's people on the internet for you. Great game btw. Great game. :)
I am very bad at StarCraft but I am a Protoss player. Protoss are OP and Terran are easy.
If there's something to say about those two races but not the other, surely it would imply that Zerg is underpowered?
clearly this match up shows that Zerg is OP and needs a huge nerf.
Kappa
yeah that's how it usually works. most of the people who comment on OP races are usually gold or lower....and and that low level maybe toss dominates a bit more, but in the upper levels (diamon and above) it depends on the player. I am diamond and I see a good spread wins from zerg and terran (i play toss). so no, no race is op, it really is the player
John Vasquez I completely agree with you.
These are the glory Days!
"We Know Zest Is a Protoss Player"
-Apollo, 2014 IEM Grand Finals
I love these Terran maps, especially last game. Over 9000 locations to drop.
If you go to the Life vs Zest Semifinals video first comments you'll see are "OMG Protoss imba"....come over here and it's "OMG Terran imba" : D Seriously guys, get a clue - it's the players that win, not the race.
***** you racist :P
jonas samuel haaahaa
Toss OP
Great thanks .
This first places prizes should be a lot higher they put a lot of effort in this game
Mark B True, but the prize money is directly influenced by the popularity of a game
Jelle Meijer To be fair the 2015 WCS season has had the biggest prizepool of any SC2 or SC1 tournament at 250k
who would have thought 10 years later we still play sc2 and now have 1m tournaments with 400k for the winners
Good crowd. They realized what they were witnessing! Video on this inc....
RETURN OF THE KINGGG!!! all hail flash
that game number one...O.o and that crowd ...just wow
Does flash only use terran? He's the best player for me coz he uses terran, the most difficult race to control. Im just curious what he could do if he uses protoss, a more powerful race.
Been watching flash since sc 1 he is the best Terran
이영호 선수 멋져요!!!!! ㅠㅠㅠ GSL에서도 꼭 우승해주세요~~~~~ FLASH FOREVER~~!!
Omg teh_pwnerer as announcer, with Flash winning too! Fantastic!
I love protoss, but damn I admire flash's style. He's like a computer, calculated, brilliant. Reminds me of MVP.
AT LAST FLASH IS BACK AND BE NUMBER 1 AGAIN AT THIS GAME STARCRAFT 2 COMMON MAN I LOVE YOU! BE A LEGEND HERE DEFEAT POLT AND PROVE THAT YOU ARE THE BEST TERRAN PLAYER!
Flash, what dominance, what control, what a player.
I love the guy who brought his holy Bible, to watch a finals with Flash
Flash finally wins something in SC2. Good for him.
Best of 7 is essentially first to 4. Weird setup really, first to 3 would be a more optimal (and satisfying).
5:16
*flash twitching from nervousness..*
"Flash there giving us a wink.... Saying that things areee alllllll okayyyyy."
hahahahahahaha!!
Hoping Jaedon will come back soon.
This is something I have felt since I started playing SC2, Marauder and roaches have too much life. It shows in almost every terran game, that mar/mar is the staple to winning pro games. I have watched Flash for a while and he has tried to work against this but has not attained full success. It is now that he embraces it as normal in most any build that he has now won. There are many other factors aside from just going marine/marauder that he has not won a tournament until now but I feel that this is the biggest reason.
To clarify I know roaches have been nerfed since the start but it still has a large influence on the way the game is played against Zerg on a Pro level. I do not feel they are OP in pro league just that their influence is large enough to change the way the way the game is played, narrowing possibilities to a certain point. Although making a change may expose other builds to imbalances at this point because SC2 has been built a certain way.
Part of this is how strong Protoss ground army is, its not the beefy force it used to be (in comparison to SC:BW) so the damage has been raised(on top of and directly because of changes such as unit cluster). I personally feel that Protoss air should play more of an impact in late game. It was given more of a place in early game (probably as a hope to give way to more late game play) in HotS. It's easy to think of good new units for Starcraft but to give the proper units needed to give the wanted changes(or changes to current units) is not easy. I'm thinking of LoV the next expansion, Idk if that's official but that's what I'll call it because it sounds good and fits.
Awesome final but why not in HD!!!
it should have been LIFE vs FLASH
victor jeong It would have been if Life was better than Zest. He isn't though, so it wasn't.
SLSnoX Better?! Tell me, how often do you hear of a Zerg or Terran death ball? Wall off, build death ball, 'A' move.....maybe that impresses some, but seems kind of cheap and lazy to others.
TXforyou X Whine all you want, but if you think Life, a player who fell out of Code A, is better than Zest, a recent 2x GSL champion, you're delusional.
SLSnoX Like I said ~ wall, death ball, 'A" move ~ doesn't impress (Zest did that in 2 of his 3 wins vs. Life) - Protoss has won last 3 consecutive GSL Code S and it also won the last 2 WCS Europe, and the most recent WCS America - so your appeal to GSL titles would only support the position: O.P.rotoss is imba.......Delusional you were saying?
TXforyou X Terrans had their long stretch of dominance... some of us older Protoss players still remember almost being wiped out of GSL by them. Zergs had the same with Brood Lords/Infestors. You wanna discount all the titles won by Terran and Zerg players during those respective time periods? You won't get any sympathy from us Protoss players. I agree though it has gone long enough, and it looks to be changing now anyways.
I wish this kinda tourneys would've taken place in our country Like all the other Developed Countries D-:
Your country isn't developed enough.
Karl Hans Well it can arrange somewhat good Matches like this, But only in the Urban Areas, We have a very large population of who have no access to communication, internet and sometimes even basic sanitation, I do have my 1.6 Mbps internet connection but it is such a struggle to get good internet connection in the Urban areas as well, They have'nt reduced internet cost from a long time and Politicians are using this to their advantage!!
Bieber stole that haircut off of Flash!!!!
0:34 It took me a bit to recognize him, but isn't he the main guy from "pure pwnage"? I haven't seen him in like forever!
이영호 선수 우승 축하합니다. 이영호 이영호 이영호 flash flash flash Champion!!!!!
can't wait anymore, watching this @ 360p..
Kaelaris and Apollo are the best casters, they need to cast every game.
I sooo much remember seeing Flash in the late time of Broodwar when Tasteless was casting alone in Korea...
Such good memories...
But now, since the Kespa switched to SC2 way after SC2 came out because they were closing Broodwar..
He's back.
Took him some time but, Flash is Back !!
THE GOD IS BACK !!!
Im here from the latest ASL video
Jaedong, were you watching?
25:30 my man Josh losing it almost in tears!!! hahah
anyone could tell me what Earphones Flash is using? :o
AWESOME
amo a flash
i wish i saw this live - i wonder what kind of spamm hapened at 1.36 - bow down to flash
LEGEND!
flash is back
55:52 why was that guy waving a bible around?
+Andrew Wang Because flash is considered as "God" player in starcraft.
haha
FlaSh is just godly.
KT is the abbreviation of "Korea Telecom". KT is the largest wire company and the 2nd largest wireless company in South Korea.
KT is gonna sell 1Gbps internet service product nation wide in the end of 2014 or early 2015. ( I said 1Gbps!! )
It's not a demonstration service nor a small scale service. It's nation wide. So every person can use 1Gbps in Korea.
Also in Korea, there is no data limit product. All internet service products are unlimited data capacity.
So good to see Flash winning at a time when Protoss was so op
pause at 50:01
he knows you're there
Rick Jam esBitch are you ok?
Peter Jacobs Im ok, are you ok?
AHAHAHA
+Rick Jam esBitch Hah) Great one)
+Rick Jam esBitch Lmao
this is my first starcraft 2 watching match thing
39:14 Is there Jeremy from PurePwnage? Haven't seen that guy in ages.
best casters for last!!
Whats that song at 1:22 ? I hear it everywhere, but i cant find it. Is it part of the sc soundtrack?
I understand that flash is a good Terran, but where did all this 'Terran god' stuff come from? Flash was a legend at brood war, but has only really became a significant contender in SC2 in the last 10 months.
It's his nickname, genius.
he is not the same like in broodwar, that is true.
but his performance in the broodwar days is what transforms guys like me into screaming fangirls no matter what.
All of his fans from broodwars is waiting for him to reclaim his throne. I still remember his game in bw vs Type-B, his macro in that game is like he using sc2 control mechanic on bw
Flash is incredible in Proleague ! with very good W/L
Estebani N What? I thought he was actually a god! No shit it's a nickname, fuck-knuckle. I am simply saying that there are way better and more consistent terrans.
Wonder when the pure pwnage movie is coming out
It seems like Flash is maphacking. I know this seems very unlikely but he just knows everything that Zest is doing and I know that they know each other well but still.
amazing!
the way zest had big smile at end of match i think he lost games for his teammate maybe. he played the series with 80% effort i think
........no
Andy Kim
he felt sorry for his teammate who couldnt win any major tournament for a decade
zest is good player. he can have chance to win tournament in the future
He smiled because he came 2nd place in a big tournment......
Matti lituingen
really..u have ever seen a player smiling for second place in a tournament?
heime1990 He probably had fun. Fun tends to bring smiles to people ya know
Nice ! Quite nice. It seems that Flash wanted more the title then his team mate Zest. He played way better then Zest .
Go Terran!!! Go~!!
YEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!! FLASH FLASH!!!!! YEAAAA!!!
That grey face (no space) tie at the end though
Finally some actual bw style in SC2. Ninja-expo FTW!
9:25; the analysis that ends up being very true.
Is that presenter by any chance the_pwnerer from Pure Pwnage?
hey, can someone tell me how the match ends? like what's the official rule or whatever? because all the units weren't gone, how do they determine the end of the match?
they surrended
true, yeah i figured that out not too soon after i wrote that comment. when the other player writes GG for good game, thats his surrender. thanks
When they win, do they get it exactly like that? Or they're still going to tax it?
Since it's their job I suppose they'll just have to pay income tax over their earnings. Atleast, that'd be the case where I'm from. I don't know about S-Korean tax rules though but I'd be surprised if they were very different..
Cheers
this is good for sc2 as an esport
Flash starcraft original legend.
old school
Why does everyone pick Foxtrot Labs at last? Is it that bad of a map?
what ear phones is flash using????
Is flash still called the ultimate weapon????
The commentators talked some about that flash and zest deserved to be in the final, ofcourse they both deserve to be in the final, they are both korean thats all they need to say. I didnt know who zest was and thought to myself "who is zest, how can a random person be in the final with someone like flash", then i saw zest and thought "oh he is korean, thats how".
So you know how vikings do 25 vs armoured instead of 20 flat?
Does shields mean that it is just 20 becuase the Shields itslef aren't armoured?
Alexander Joshi it counts as armored shield, so 25
chocolatedumdum2 suprisingly, 4 months on, I still didn't know that. Thanks!
lol
So annoying that tod and qxc did not cast this.
even zest was happy for flash lol
oh...now i regret not watching this match earlier
I kinda feel like flash threw 2nd game away by going out of base even before stim starting...
Love how games played out.
So much better then swarm host vs swarm host or siege tank bio vs siege tank bios
IT'S ALL FLASH :D
A second coming from FlaSh!
Great Game Flash
Yah..Flash...always follow this from SC1.
I swear sometimes I think these players are cheating. They prepare, go places and know things that you couldn't possibly know to do.
.......... they are fucking teamates, don't you think there will be a meta when you play against a friend?
muffinspuffinsEE Don't waste your time on the ignorant man lol :P
Collin R I think what he's saying is that they're so good that if it was anyone else he thinks they'd be cheating.
Sinbreaker well, I guess that is why they are paid to play video games and we are not :D
GG WP !!
Red eye is amazing!
caramba q jogo épico slc fi esses cara são viciado de+kkkkk
57:10 look at that Flash twitching, must be a short circuit somewhere :))
flash's scouting GODLY
Is that jeremy from PP?
My God, Zest didn't stand a chance, did he?
FLAAAAAAAAAAAASH!
영호야 스타2도 본좌 먹자!! 항상 응원한다
Why does setting up more bases make u more money? Can't u just train more scvs for ur main base?
But there is a limited amount of resources in each base, and having more bases will give you money at a faster rate
JayDee play a game of Starcraft and see for yourself!