So I added the Billetron to my 21 Beta 200RR. It runs clean, crisp and stronger off the bottom than the stock carb. After tweeking the Power Jet screw a bit leaner the half throttle roll on feels stronger than my stock carb did. Makes for a perfect performing 2 stroke.
I was going back and forth between the Billetron and the Smart Carb. In the end I chose the Smart Carb because of the ability to make adjustments without tools and no vent hoses. I am very interested to see what you think about the Billetron. Great Video!!
Thanks for the quick tear down! Love seeing products in this fashion. I'm also super interested to hear what you guys find comparing the carbs side by side!
@@highlandcycles how much better low end? I have a keihin and mikuni for my 300 and I don't know if I should just get the STIC metering block or not.. Prob should have just gotten a 250. I need more snap.
@@stevetdesigns I haven’t. Never felt the need to make the mikuni better. Always ran great. I have filed Kehin slides in the past. Helped with response a little.
Nice to hear it is a shorter body. My stock carb is 75mm from end to end, and I understand the old Lectron is 88mm, over 1/2" longer, and I don't want to compress the air boot that much. That much boot compression stresses the rubber and even changes the airflow. How long is it? Got a set of calipers? Thanks for the tear down. Least complicated, (in parts), than any carb I have ever seen, including diaphragm types.
I didn't tear my Billetron apart.. but I have no complaints about the quality or the fitment. I held off getting a Lectron HV or SC2 because of the "issues" with the low-end power, fit etc. The Billetron addressed those things so I jumped on one. I haven't "tuned" it in yet but right out of the box it changed the power feel of my TE250. The engine had much more authority right off idle and pulled harder and quicker through mid-range. Getting "on the pipe" to top-end was smoother, most of "the hit" was gone...but none of the power was missing :) For our terrain this power is what I want. The sad part is, not being used to the new found low-end snap on the first ride with the Billertron in I came off a root a little too much into it and was promptly shot off the trail into a tree which I took in the chest and left knee............. So I'm on break while I heal for a few more weeks 😶but I can't wait to get back out to ride more with this new carb.
Hi, dig your info, I've a 2018 300xcw installed a lectron which worked awesome till now, Bike won't start. Fuel leaking through breather lines, Can't figure it out. HELP PLEASE 🙏
Would like to see this mounted on the Juan Deuce Nickel :) Not many small bore bike lectron content that is very worthwhile on youtube. Thanks for the video :)
Hey Morgan im wondering if you could do something like billetron vs keihin, im looking at possibly changing to an aftermarket carb if i can get some performance gains over the keihin for my yz250, there is a lot of info about how billetron is better than 'H series but i cant find anything on how it performs against stock carbs as in one of your other videos you are saying the stock carbs can be more snappy than the lectron off the bottom, i dont really want to lose any of the bottom as im looking at using a works pipe on my bike and want to keep some power down low. your videos are amazing and detailed, thanks
@@highlandcycles awesome i look forward to it, also great to see this lectron carb pulled apart. it actually looks very simple, also thanks for being honest with all your videos and saving me money lol
I have a new tc 65 and put a lectron on it (older one). Seems impossible to get a bog out of it at 8000'. Learning how to properly jet the original now, probably should have done this in the first place.
I don't know. I tried 2 different lectrons to see how they were. I didn't hate them and even won a National race with one (40+ B class) so they work. I just like the snap of a properly tuned Kehin the best.
I still like my 2013 version that I just pulled off my Beta 300 rr before it goes on sale. The choke wrong side thing never bothered me as it wasn't that hard to get to from the stator side. I kinda like the clear float bowl and bought the upgraded aluminum support piece as my original didn't have it. I ditched the non metric screws on top for thumb screws long ago. I guess my biggest gripe was when I bought a new slide so that I could run different needles for different power curves, it just didn't fit my older design. Too big and fat and Lectron said they would need the carb to 6 weeks to refit the new style slide. Who's got six weeks to take off during Enduro race season? That didn't work for me as my stock keihin was kaput with a seized air screw. Anyhoo... Maybe I'll run the new '22 300rr keihin for a while and see if I was missing anything. If I miss the Lectron I'll hopefully get Lectron to fix it like they offered earlier. Hopefully...
I may pick up one of these carbs. But I have to say, I am not really hip with the float bowl O-ring trying to seal on the gasket edge between the 2 body halves. I will bet a bit that the sides of the carb stay dirty from a bit of seepage. I think I would smear a tiny amount of gasket sealer, (that holds up to gasoline, not silicone), over that gasket edge and put the float bowl on, let it cure.
My billetron was defective from new. Float bowl leaked from the bottom aluminum thing, float bowl screws where loose, the slide housing screws were all loose, leaked air and fuel, and now i havent rode all year went to start bike and slide is completely sized up, drained fuel before storage even. Tried ultrasonic cleaning and soaking the slide...still seized. Looks like the metering rod is rusting inside the aluminum piece that protrudes into the float bowl. Oh and the brass fitting for the power jet pulled out of the housing when I removed the line. Now i gotta spend $200+ just to fix a $700 carb I literally have 8 hours on 😢
@@highlandcycles Well, I think that makes my decision. I can jet my PWK, and don't have much variance with air quality like some area's. I plan on riding between 55 deg and 85 def F., only on sunny days with little elevation change. :)
I hope it works a lot better than the previous electrons I had one they built in about 2016 that didn't work good at all no idle circuit so the idol was terrible for fluctuating try different metering rods they sent me for Rich and lean conditions those carburetors always work good on drag bikes where they run wide open mine had the choke where you couldn't get to it and that clear float bowl is about a joke the first time you ride the bike you can't see the gas in it anyway unless maybe you're in the Mojave desert wasn't impressed and as far as electron they didn't want to talk to me after a couple times they already got their money that's my two cents on electron
I basically threw mine in the trash and went to a back to a good jetted JD jet kit by the way pwk air striker and never looked back but I hope you have better luck with that new one good luck with the channel you're doing great 👍
Thanks for the kind words about the channel. I agree on the metering rod carbs. They were designed for road race/drag bikes and while they are OK on a dirt bike if tuned, they just don't seem to work like a well tuned Kehin or even Mikuni for that matter. I am interested in this one because it is the first real update since the 70's from what I can tell. I couldn't agree more about the clear float bowl. I mean if its running there is gas right?? Also the company had gotten too big for their britches in my opinion. They dropped me a as a direct dealer (I was for a couple years) because I didn't order enough and told me I had to order $3500 worth of carbs to get back in. Anyway, I will be fair and honest as we get this thing on and ride it.
@@highlandcycles thanks for the reply Morgan I'm 63 I've been working on dirt bikes and drag bikes my whole life and I know those carbs like you say work great on drag bikes wide open but the one I had was just absolutely pretty worthless in my opinion compared to a well-tuned pwk air striker plus I didn't fit the bike for shit either but anyway I'm anxious to see the luck you're going to have with that new one LOL thanks again
@@highlandcycles you got a carb in a box there that only has a drain hose. That's pretty nice and clean looking. That particular venting system has its own issues, but it ain't no spaghetti monster.
@@johnhead8567 yeah. I meant most mainstream carbs. I don’t like that none of the metering rod carbs have an overflow tube. So if a needle leaks or gets stuck it fills the motor. That is dumb.
@@highlandcycles I get the r n d on this carb but everyone is ripping each other off these days. With all that being said I’ll be ordering one at the end of the month 😅
Thank you. I have never totally understood that and this metal looks interesting up close. It doesn’t look like normal billet. Almost like it has fibers/big crystals.
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Thanks for the tear down! Lectron should have a video like this!
I agree
So I added the Billetron to my 21 Beta 200RR. It runs clean, crisp and stronger off the bottom than the stock carb. After tweeking the Power Jet screw a bit leaner the half throttle roll on feels stronger than my stock carb did. Makes for a perfect performing 2 stroke.
Awesome
I was going back and forth between the Billetron and the Smart Carb. In the end I chose the Smart Carb because of the ability to make adjustments without tools and no vent hoses. I am very interested to see what you think about the Billetron. Great Video!!
Thanks.
Thanks for the quick tear down! Love seeing products in this fashion. I'm also super interested to hear what you guys find comparing the carbs side by side!
I am excited too. This is supposed to have better low end than the older style and they need that.
@@highlandcycles how much better low end? I have a keihin and mikuni for my 300 and I don't know if I should just get the STIC metering block or not.. Prob should have just gotten a 250. I need more snap.
@@stevetdesigns I don’t know yet. I think the Kehins have the best low end of what I’ve ridden. I’ll know more tomorrow on this
@@highlandcycles thanks for the reply! Have you tried the Jarvis mods and notching the slide on the mikuni?
@@stevetdesigns I haven’t. Never felt the need to make the mikuni better. Always ran great. I have filed Kehin slides in the past. Helped with response a little.
Thanks for the vid! Can’t wait for the ride review!
Thanks
Nice to hear it is a shorter body. My stock carb is 75mm from end to end, and I understand the old Lectron is 88mm, over 1/2" longer, and I don't want to compress the air boot that much. That much boot compression stresses the rubber and even changes the airflow.
How long is it? Got a set of calipers?
Thanks for the tear down. Least complicated, (in parts), than any carb I have ever seen, including diaphragm types.
how is the altitude compensation, I wonder if it's the same as smartcarb? is it a lot heavier than a keihnin?
It’s the same and it’s definitely heavy
Hi, would you mind to compare the dimension to Keihin PWK 38 short body? Thank you in advance
I didn't tear my Billetron apart.. but I have no complaints about the quality or the fitment. I held off getting a Lectron HV or SC2 because of the "issues" with the low-end power, fit etc. The Billetron addressed those things so I jumped on one. I haven't "tuned" it in yet but right out of the box it changed the power feel of my TE250. The engine had much more authority right off idle and pulled harder and quicker through mid-range. Getting "on the pipe" to top-end was smoother, most of "the hit" was gone...but none of the power was missing :) For our terrain this power is what I want.
The sad part is, not being used to the new found low-end snap on the first ride with the Billertron in I came off a root a little too much into it and was promptly shot off the trail into a tree which I took in the chest and left knee............. So I'm on break while I heal for a few more weeks 😶but I can't wait to get back out to ride more with this new carb.
Great to hear! I’m excited to ride it.
@@highlandcycles it's great to hear I hit a tree...??? 🤬
As always,great content.
Much appreciated!
Your ride review will determine weather or not I get one or if I go with the STIC metering rod and carb for my 21 tc250
Should be out on Sunday
Hi, dig your info,
I've a 2018 300xcw installed a lectron which worked awesome till now,
Bike won't start. Fuel leaking through breather lines,
Can't figure it out. HELP PLEASE 🙏
Sounds like needle and seat are leaking.
@Highland Cycles pim not good with carburetors but willing to try
Would like to see this mounted on the Juan Deuce Nickel :) Not many small bore bike lectron content that is very worthwhile on youtube. Thanks for the video :)
I might try it. I just really like the 36mm Kehin on the small bores.
Hey Morgan im wondering if you could do something like billetron vs keihin, im looking at possibly changing to an aftermarket carb if i can get some performance gains over the keihin for my yz250, there is a lot of info about how billetron is better than 'H series but i cant find anything on how it performs against stock carbs as in one of your other videos you are saying the stock carbs can be more snappy than the lectron off the bottom, i dont really want to lose any of the bottom as im looking at using a works pipe on my bike and want to keep some power down low. your videos are amazing and detailed, thanks
I will definitely be doing just that. It probably won’t be on the same bike but I’ll be putting it up against the Kehin and the mikuni.
@@highlandcycles awesome i look forward to it, also great to see this lectron carb pulled apart. it actually looks very simple, also thanks for being honest with all your videos and saving me money lol
I have a new tc 65 and put a lectron on it (older one). Seems impossible to get a bog out of it at 8000'. Learning how to properly jet the original now, probably should have done this in the first place.
I don't know. I tried 2 different lectrons to see how they were. I didn't hate them and even won a National race with one (40+ B class) so they work. I just like the snap of a properly tuned Kehin the best.
Do you know if they are coming out with a 36mm billetron?
I don’t know.
Some cool improvements for sure 👍
Yep
I still like my 2013 version that I just pulled off my Beta 300 rr before it goes on sale. The choke wrong side thing never bothered me as it wasn't that hard to get to from the stator side. I kinda like the clear float bowl and bought the upgraded aluminum support piece as my original didn't have it. I ditched the non metric screws on top for thumb screws long ago. I guess my biggest gripe was when I bought a new slide so that I could run different needles for different power curves, it just didn't fit my older design. Too big and fat and Lectron said they would need the carb to 6 weeks to refit the new style slide. Who's got six weeks to take off during Enduro race season? That didn't work for me as my stock keihin was kaput with a seized air screw. Anyhoo... Maybe I'll run the new '22 300rr keihin for a while and see if I was missing anything. If I miss the Lectron I'll hopefully get Lectron to fix it like they offered earlier. Hopefully...
You might as well have it fixed, so it is worth something and ready if you need it or sell it,--before they change their mind?
I may pick up one of these carbs. But I have to say, I am not really hip with the float bowl O-ring trying to seal on the gasket edge between the 2 body halves. I will bet a bit that the sides of the carb stay dirty from a bit of seepage. I think I would smear a tiny amount of gasket sealer, (that holds up to gasoline, not silicone), over that gasket edge and put the float bowl on, let it cure.
I’m with you.
the 'PRO' Billetron has a pilot circuit for low end punch for $100 more
My billetron was defective from new. Float bowl leaked from the bottom aluminum thing, float bowl screws where loose, the slide housing screws were all loose, leaked air and fuel, and now i havent rode all year went to start bike and slide is completely sized up, drained fuel before storage even. Tried ultrasonic cleaning and soaking the slide...still seized. Looks like the metering rod is rusting inside the aluminum piece that protrudes into the float bowl. Oh and the brass fitting for the power jet pulled out of the housing when I removed the line. Now i gotta spend $200+ just to fix a $700 carb I literally have 8 hours on 😢
Bummer man
Lectron is watching this and pulling their hair out every time you say "smart carb" 😂
Yep. And I don’t care. Those guys have pissed me off. Long story but I don’t love that company.
😂
Can’t wait for the comparison.
I still remain that these “smart” carbs are subpar compared to a properly jetted Keihin 38mm PWK.
I agree so far
@@highlandcycles Well, I think that makes my decision. I can jet my PWK, and don't have much variance with air quality like some area's. I plan on riding between 55 deg and 85 def F., only on sunny days with little elevation change. :)
I went back to the stock carb on my YZ250. I hated the way the bike ran after WOT. I tried leaning, richening it and could never find the sweet spot.
Yep. I really like a kehin
I hope it works a lot better than the previous electrons I had one they built in about 2016 that didn't work good at all no idle circuit so the idol was terrible for fluctuating try different metering rods they sent me for Rich and lean conditions those carburetors always work good on drag bikes where they run wide open mine had the choke where you couldn't get to it and that clear float bowl is about a joke the first time you ride the bike you can't see the gas in it anyway unless maybe you're in the Mojave desert wasn't impressed and as far as electron they didn't want to talk to me after a couple times they already got their money that's my two cents on electron
I basically threw mine in the trash and went to a back to a good jetted JD jet kit by the way pwk air striker and never looked back but I hope you have better luck with that new one good luck with the channel you're doing great 👍
Thanks for the kind words about the channel. I agree on the metering rod carbs. They were designed for road race/drag bikes and while they are OK on a dirt bike if tuned, they just don't seem to work like a well tuned Kehin or even Mikuni for that matter. I am interested in this one because it is the first real update since the 70's from what I can tell. I couldn't agree more about the clear float bowl. I mean if its running there is gas right?? Also the company had gotten too big for their britches in my opinion. They dropped me a as a direct dealer (I was for a couple years) because I didn't order enough and told me I had to order $3500 worth of carbs to get back in. Anyway, I will be fair and honest as we get this thing on and ride it.
@@highlandcycles thanks for the reply Morgan I'm 63 I've been working on dirt bikes and drag bikes my whole life and I know those carbs like you say work great on drag bikes wide open but the one I had was just absolutely pretty worthless in my opinion compared to a well-tuned pwk air striker plus I didn't fit the bike for shit either but anyway I'm anxious to see the luck you're going to have with that new one LOL thanks again
Lectron is not made for small technical trials. If you intend to use it for something else then this is the way to go 👍
Why?
“2 Strokes Matter” gear? - long sleeve T’s? ;-)
DirtBiiiiKES!
And all them hoses
It's the same number of hoses as any other normal carb but they are bigger in diameter which is dumb.
@@highlandcycles you got a carb in a box there that only has a drain hose. That's pretty nice and clean looking. That particular venting system has its own issues, but it ain't no spaghetti monster.
@@johnhead8567 yeah. I meant most mainstream carbs. I don’t like that none of the metering rod carbs have an overflow tube. So if a needle leaks or gets stuck it fills the motor. That is dumb.
@@highlandcycles that's the biggest reason you have my smart carb in a box.
They should at least give you a hat or shirt for how much you pay for them carbs 😆
🤣😂
@@highlandcycles I get the r n d on this carb but everyone is ripping each other off these days. With all that being said I’ll be ordering one at the end of the month 😅
Too bad they don't adjust externally like the smart carb.
Agree. I thought that was going to be one of the upgrades.
billets arent cast, they are drawn out while hot
Thank you. I have never totally understood that and this metal looks interesting up close. It doesn’t look like normal billet. Almost like it has fibers/big crystals.