3.23 Might Make Your Ship Obsolete...Temporarily | Star Citizen
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- 3.23 Might Make Your Ship Obsolete...Temporarily | Star Citizen
Patch 3.23 changes will have an affect on the efficacy of your ships & ability to chase that credit. The cargo refactor, freight elevator, and loading of ships in your instanced elevator are cool new features but may exclude your ship from gameplay loops.
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Would you still load up the Carrack?
Honestly the carrack I mainly use for exploration and Rescues (Medical org), with my c8r in the hangar. I'm ok with it not being a primary hauler until they figure out the cargo thing... I have a c2 for hauling.
I don’t do it now! Cargo is in a bit of a flux IMO. Until it is more coherent I’m not doing cargo.
When the multi tool eventually gets a welding beam I’ll turn the hangar into a swimming pool
You could always stand on the top and load them in the hangar using your tractor beam 😄
hell no.
then you will have to empty it at the destination. what a pain.
I legit bought the 600i Explorer about a year ago because of the rework with a med bay and a bigger hangar. I love Origin, and the 400i and 600i are fantastic ships imo
Origin all the way!! My 600i is touring.
Too poor to pledge for it but I love my 890, I daily drive it all the time while playin it’s so useless for everything but it’s so pretty
I've the 600 finally gets that rework, it'll be fanatic
When will the rework arrive? I mostly use cutlass red for fps missions now
3.23 is going to finally make my Connie Taurus a top tier hauler
It literally will: hard to not think a ship like the Connie Taurus won’t end up being one of the top options for cargo in 3.23
@@Libertas_P77 What about RAFT? Just insert 3×32 SCU containers and you're ready to go.
I get shivers when dig talks man's voice is remarkable
I feel like these cargo changes give the potential for ships with say about.....100-150scu capacity or less to really shine. I suspect the mid range haulers (Freelancer, Cutlass, C1) will find themselves in the sweet spot of efficiency for time per unit of scu. I would hope so anyway as I'd like for those ships to always have value, even after one owns a C2 or Hull C or BMM or any other large freighter.
In a similar note I hope this also adds value to the smaller single seater "starter" ships by having them be able to take small loads of high value cargo from certain locations that is only feasible with them. I would love for my Avenger, Syulen, or 135c to still also have a purpose long after I've moved up to a C1 or C2, for example. I'm really looking forward to these economy changes and how they'll be keeping ships of various sizes always relevant.
"Put the whole thing in the elevator and let them deal with it. " - That made me actually LOL 😆
Dude, not only is your voice the upper echelon in the bus, but your succinct style for your training vids and how you just get to the nitty gritty of what you are informing, is why I recommend you to everyone I know that plays SC.
Big thanks Ravage Randy Savage
I am still waiting to see what the advantage of using a RAFT will be. They promised that once we had cargo loading in the game then RAFT owners will have a big advantage that makes up for the poor capacity but I am not seeing what it can be. Take any ship that will carry three 32scu crates and it will be quicker to tractor it from the cargo elevator into the back of the ship than it will be to lift three crates from the elevator then arrange them exactly in the right place under the RAFT in order to then lift them into place. Perhaps having in one man just putting the crates in roughly the right place while another man inside the raft uses the ships tractor to move them into the correct place will speed things up but having two men working on loading the other ship will also speed things up. All I can think is that the tractor beam on the RAFT will arrange the boxes instantly and lift them with one push of a button, ie the boxes just have to be dumped roughly the right area in any configuration to work, but I still can't see that giving a significant advantage.
Good question. Apparently it's well armored, in-between the Hull A & B as far as price / cargo, and can quickly drop cargo w/out leaving the ship when the control room is functional.
I don't think there is anyone in the verse that is not going to have a tractor beam.... full stop.
hope you got a strong back!
New players
@@ml244716 Not after the first guide
I seems logical that at large ports where you can store a large ship like a Catapillar, that it could be loaded full of cargo over time while you have it stored. So you would land, store your ship, you'd wait around in the station for a given time while it's loaded, then when it's ready you'd call it back up and bingo bango, she's ready to go. Otherwise, cargo hauling is going to turn into "Box-Stacking Simulator 3000".
So, yeah, cargo… wow, it’s sure exciting… But I really don’t want to spend an hour manually loading larger craft just to take it somewhere and spend an hour off-loading. One fix is to get other players to help, but at what cost? Another approach to a fix is to make sure the game mechanic includes automated/robotic help…and that doesn’t need to be animated initially, just accounted for in maybe a 100unit/minute load/unload rate, or perhaps 100 units per minute per cargo access door or elevator. For places that ‘do not support automated cargo services’, cargo should magically load/unload until cargo manipulation is a lot better and a lot more reliable. I can suspend my need for reality to accommodate development time to make it ‘more real’.
Then again, let’s not get TOO buried in the details, CIG. There IS such a thing as too much reality in a science FICTION game. “Just because you CAN do a thing does not mean you SHOULD do that thing.”
At some point it will blow up in their face making us do all these timeconsuming things because it wont be fun anymore when you have to redo your IRL activities (like getting out of bed, taking a dump, showering, eating, commuting to the spaceport just to start playing) each time you just want to relax and have a bit fun after work.
@@grayssoncarl5020 When I have to start using the toilets they have the game, Im out.
This has been a discussion since day one. The players overwhelmingly support it, so we're stuck with it.
@@MastaSquidge The problem is that there could be a loud minority of players while the majority just switch to other games when they dont have enough fun playing and dont even bother telling others about it.
That could lead to the devs getting a false picture what the majority of players (aka the ones that make up the bigger part of the company's income) actually prefer.
I dont say that its the case with SC but it could be. At least for me all the little animations that are just a bit too long, "extra" activities etc. add up to a noticable amount of time i dont play the game or are required doing something i dont like doing IRL either.
I totally agree. I do not see myself doing much trading anymore. I don’t wanna go straight back to virtual work after I get off work. I want star citizen to still feel like a game. I’m afraid it’s going to be way too realistic and take all the fun out of it.
You said, 'p-way" . I'm not saying you were a Navy man, but that's certainly a keyword that indicates you might have been.
The way he started the video with “hey you” got me thinking that too
hmm looks like I will be using the Hull A a whole lot more than my Caterpillar in the new patch
The Argo cargo is a fun little ship.
I do hope they find a good use for it, can totally picture it as like a flying forklift or something.
I'd be totally up for that kind of work.
See you did a lotta work on this Dig, love the content!
Thanks hitokitty
Got no clue what impact master modes is going to have to PvP, daily interactions and more. It’s going to be a wild ride while they adjust this I expect.
its 1000 years in the future where are the robots that are supposed to be unloading cargo lol, i'll still fly the carrack for missions but no cargo will suck, the argo cargo makes no sense for cargo hauling it needs a qt drive, capital ships should have like in deck rails to move cargo around easier
hey the even have forgotten Tansportbelt technology, so hehe :-)
For one, AI is banned in the empire (literally in the lore); secondly, the Argo Cargo is literally meant for ship to station/ground loading and unloading...real ships in the real world use smaller ships to go alongside bigger ones to offload cargo, so this isn't unrealistic at all...also, this literally happens in space in real life as well, small cargo pods are brought up to the ISS using a rocket delivering cargo, and then it's sent back down with trash and stuff the crew needs sent back (like experiments).
@@ChristoffRevan Yes it happens in real, because we are not even in Stoneage of spacetravel.
And ban of AI.... sorry.
spaceships that scale and complexity could never work without AI.
@@XentorAntarix You don't need AI for spaceflight...I think a lot of people confuse AI for algorithms, because it's algorithms that constitute the majority of software today, NOT AI. The so-called AI that runs things like ChatGPT isn't even really true AI anyway, so again I think your conception of what AI is, well...is pretty misinformed. Regardless, this debate wasn't about AI but rather on the game design of Star Citizen. No matter how much you whine, the game is being built as a life sim. Either accept it or move on
@@ChristoffRevan Oh I talk not about spaceflight. I tak for operating all the tiny deficile processes a real 100% independend Lifesupport System needs. If you wana know what I mean. Play Oxigen not Included.
Love the content, Simple, to the point, good commentary. Subbed. Keep it up.
Great video. Definitely going to sub, keep it up. On the plus, those seeking more immersive game play will be happy. I dont always have hours to sink into a single cargo run. I also play games to relax, a lot of this seems really stessful lol.
The idea of players being able to have careers as cargo loaders at stations or cites seems pretty cool. You won't just have elite careers as a bounty hunter or cargo hauler, but also blue collar jobs. Immersive. I love it.
I'm with ya on that
Lol i main the Argo Raft and the cargo crane still isn’t implemented so idk whats gonna happen with that
Yo, enjoy your content.
As far as cargo is concerned, without a real economy in place and not much to spend the ayoueecy on, shipping in small quantities works best for me. I run with a MAX or as I fondly like to call her, The Greazy Keys. I can get in and out of cargo destination points of most types reasonably quickly and can shoot my way out to an OM marker if things get sketchy. Not a ton of cargo to loose if I can’t pull the ole brick out of trouble neither. I have made a ton of creds with the MAX in small 120 scu increments and that’s fine for me along with other gameplay loops.
Between the increasing tedium and being juicy piracy target, what’s the point of trading anymore?
Tell me you don't keep up with SC development without telling me you don't keep up with SC development
@ChristoffRevan tell me you have no life without telling me you have no life
I see you DigThat with the CU! Love it
I figure ships like the 600i and Carrack will not be used for full on cargo hauling anyway in the long run. The cargo space on them is more for supplies for long trips than commodity hauling.
dude this channel needs to blow up. You as a streamer/content creator is the right move.
I feel like my crew and I are the only ones that love loading boxes by hand. Lol its fun to just chill with the boys and make a massive profit at the same time.
Ayyyy... that's the spirit!
Words of truth in this video!
I dig it. It takes a long time to load a container ship now, wouldn’t expect one person to load a hull c in a short time. Team work will be needed. Uec per hour hunters need to chill and enjoy the experience of the game loops. I make 90% of my in game profits as a crew member on my orgs ships. That’s the gameplay they want for us. And that’s ok.
Nice info. btw and no weirdness but you have a nice radio/video voice. Cheers!
Salute!
3.23 will probably have 4 or 5 instances where they will slowly add everything they said that will be in 3.23. Potentially 3.23 could be the only patch in 2024 but as I said with several instances every 2-3 months! There will be a lot of bugs to fix for sure. Can't wait for 3.23 ptu to open!
I can dig it.
I still say the Carrack needs to have the garage sides made into cargo grids. You couls still fir an ursa and some cargo at the same time
Maaaan I'm gonna miss truckin' in the Carrack. For now. =)
Really hope CIG sort out the Carrack and Retaliator modules soon. I am really looking forward to manual cargo loading for that authentic space truck simulation. It’s gonna be great!
I hope so too
There is a vehicle elevator on the 600i.
Yup, on the Explorer..not on the Touring.
Those cargo pod doors are sexy and seem like an easy fix. I wonder why they dont go that direction.
Lumpers are already bull$**t. I understand and agree that S.C. SHOULD have hard cargo..... but dude.
Ahhhhhh, my absolute favorite voice in all of the 'Verse! As always, Thanks for the video!
Glad ya dig it
Doesn't the C2 lack a tractor beam? It might be screwed for efficiency.
It does. C2s main focus is vehicle hauling with a side benefit of cargo, but you'll need to bring your own tractor rifle.
@@schlagzahne6741 When the cargo refactor comes, will the tractor rifle be able to lift 8 and 16 scu boxes? I thought I read something that 8scu and up would be too big for the tractor rifle.
"no soup for you" LOL
Caterpillars got side doors atleast
This guy quoting the Soup Nazi so I'm gonna have to sub 🤣
Make the pool tables work :)
I actually get goose bumps when ever I hear your voice…. It’s so fucking good
I can't wait for the star map! Will RSi Galaxy be released during 3.23?
No sirrr, but yeah it'll be good to have the new star map on deck
So loading by hand takes time. And a premium if loading huge loads from nonhuge warehouses cause of depleting supplies. Even on automatic a hull E will take hours to load. I guess I will stick to my lancer, lol..
I love your setup, its really cool, I wish I can build something like this one day too like the desk and all.
Thanks mayne. Pieced together from Amazon...not very expensive stuff
I can tell you, after the experience of my org taking over Jumptown for 8 hours, working that handheld tractor beam for an extended period of time is murder on the fingers. Scrolling in and out and in and out with the mouse wheel while working the mouse buttons is murder after a while. I hope that they they devise a way to make that experience less exhausting or it's going to make cargo a real slog. I main a mole with my taurus hauling my refined ores and I am worried about the first few iterations of manually moving my cargo around.
Thank you bro love your channel 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Appreciated bro-bro!
Also the caterpillar can’t hold 32sxu boxes
Edited for critical auto correct error.
Yes, this is cargo grid issue. 32-scu boxes can be easily put in Cat
@@ork120 I would re-imagine it. Retractable cat walks and remote turret
I wish that allowed us to locate lost ships before claiming them so we can retrieve our cargo
I've warned people for years not to invest purely in super large ships. I'm ready with my bucket of popcorn because I know I'm gonna need that extra salt. It'll just be like the old cargo changes when Laranite wasn't infinitely spawning at outposts.
Yeah it's going to be fun seeing all these people rage on Spectrum about how they deserve to solo their larger medium ships as well as large/capital ships because "I paid real money for it". 😂 CIG never said that buying a ship means you buy the capability to use it...that would literally be pay to win, and Star Citizen is NOT pay to win...nor will it ever be (getting ships is more of "pay for convenience to avoid some grind").
I've legitimately had people try to argue with me that AI blades and NPC crew will let them solo things bigger than a Connie, and I'm just sitting there laughing because CIG (primarily Chris Roberts) has specifically said that won't be possible because it'll be too expensive and you won't have really any efficiency or capabilities at all to use these larger ships properly. Sure, you can PILOT any ship...it just requires one person to fly a ship; but using it for its purpose solo...? Nope.
@ChristoffRevan I have too. I've pretty much been boo'd off spectrum because I point out stuff like that.
I've always told people that NPCs and blades will be reactionary not preventative and they will always be inferior to a crew. Nobody listens.
I told people that big cargoships are pointless for solos and said that the Argo Armored transport is perfect for most people especially for drop and hook loads.
Cause of death: Carl McNPCerson dropped a boom box.
Carl McNPCerson...risky sarcasm, but ya went for it anyway
Looks like medium haulers are going to have the spotlight in this update. I think ppl are going to look for the sweet spot of Efficacy/Capacity. Similar to how ppl rather do VHRTs than ERTs because of efficacy. What do you think?
I finally upgraded to a Carrack this past IAE after playing the game for years, just in time for the cargo change. I'm looking forward to seeing the end result but I'll probably have to do something else until they finish updating it.
I suppose you could always load up the vehicle hangar w/cargo since we won't be selling directly from the ships anyway.
Damn Dig you're a genius. I'm going to give that a try.@@DigThat32
i love star citizen 50 cent, one of my favorite sc youtubers.
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Maybe they need to think about something like magnets that could have boxes all hook together so you could pull multiple at once (like train cars). also, i have to wonder.. as most people playing do not want a second job so wont want to spend four hours of their play time moving boxes. if that holds true then no one will be buying the big ships.. and SC/RSI cant go down that road.
Big ships are meant for groups not solo. Anything they can do to discourage people from soloing big ships is welcome.
If you watched the trailer for freight elevators, they have hover trollies you can load and stack up with multiple smaller boxes and then drive to a bigger ship so you can move large amounts of smaller cargo.
I'm sure those will be available all over the place or you just carry one in your larger ship.
@@graveyardshift6691 perfect that would do it
Chappie, this game is being built as a life simulator (they literally used those exact words, so I'm not putting in my own bias here)...this means elements that are mundane will be put into the game at an increasing rate. It's not meant to be tedious just to make people like you mad, it's meant for GAME BALANCE (and as a side effect works well for immersion). Keep in mind this doesn't mean they're making a realistic game...a life sim is purely about FEELING like you're living a life in a game, not necessarily that it's a 2 to 1 representation of how an actual life would be.
Also, like the other chappie said, larger medium sized ships as well as large/capital ships are NOT meant to be soloed...even with NPC crew and AI blades. This is, again, about game balance...solo players will not have the same capabilities as groups of players, and while they will be able to do all gameplay careers...it will only be at an entry level. Also, don't worry about ship sales...people have been saying "this year people are going to stop buying ships" literally since the beginning of the project and people haven't stopped yet
We are running it and will run it forever.
I think the Hercules C2 will be fine if your mostly hualing 32 scu containers and ine 24 scu container.
I think 3.23 will force players to maximize the cargo running by container size. Like rhe C2 has 21, 32 scu contsiners and one 24 so moving a total of 22 containers. The cutty black would be 4, 24 scu containers. The game currently prioritizes cargo by container largest container size first.
Which now makes me question something else. Will we get the option to choose the size cintainers for our purchase. And how does this work for outpost locations that have commodities. Dang lots of unanswered questions. 3.23 gonna be crazy.
Yeah Herc is fine & the other ships are just waiting for passes/reworks
@@DigThat32 looking at you freelancer series! Not a huge fan of the look of that ship. But man it needs a gold pass bad.
Guess the only way to fo things soon is going to ve with a organization.
Hope is that 3.23 will just let the Carrack drop the pods out and then get magically maglev'd back into the Carrack
Clicked for the title, subscribed for the voice.
Salute!
We asked for immersion and now we get it, not in the form of epic space adventures, but in tedious cargo loading and unloading.
To be fair, just don’t do cargo for the next few patches while they figure it out. Remember how bad initial salvage in the Vulture was initially? Content back and forth, then they took the feedback on the grind and fixed. Expect the same with cargo over time.
@Libertas_P77 except people were giving them ideas on how cargo would balance fun and immersion. Instead CIG went strait for Sim.
I mean why spend money on Star Citizen when I can just go buy [work] Simulator on stream for 30-60 dollars and get the full game.
With the added option (later on) to hire station services to load the ship with cargo.
It's not like we would have to take a small cargo mover to stack crates on a Hull-C by our lonesomes.
This game is being built as a life sim, not a combat action game...so many people seem to think it's supposed to be the latter, it's not
Don't worry about it. Once everyone is fed up with this and abandons cargo altogether, CIG will actually start thinking about how to make it fun. Just takes time, as usual.
You got an org??
The commission
Can you dig it?
i been playing this Game since 2018 and with all this upgrade with cargo loading manually etc???I dont know? I do value my real life and if i play this game and the time it takes to load big Ships which what i have on my fleet?? I think i have to let go and sell my account soon lol.
Dude, the first iteration is literally automatic loading but with a timer (talking about cargo commodities)...when they talked about freight elevators for 3.23 they meant with your INVENTORY items, not commodities. So, trade will literally be the same except there will be a timer and you'll just have your ship sit there. How many people have so many things they want to get out of their inventory that it would be an actual hassle? Not many.
Also, the game has always been built as a life simulator...people keep thinking it's a a combat action game, but it's never meant to be that...we only have a lot more combat elements due to things ported from the combat single player game Squadron 42 that they're working on at the same time. Anyways, these life simulator elements aren't about "disrespecting your time", it's about providing game balance; if things are too quick and too easy, it destroys the value of doing things in the game. This is the same rationale for why travel will be slower in the future as well, and star systems will be a lot bigger than Stanton...some journeys will take more than 30 minutes, maybe even more than 50 minutes in just a single star system. If you can't handle this then yes maybe you should leave the project
@@ChristoffRevan The basement is strong in you.....
u... my... man !!!!
This...is...SPARTA!
I do have this utter dread toward 3.23 as it will make the game not what it used to be and not in a good way to the point of breaking all we have come to like about SC so far. Can't put my finger on what it is but I just have this feeling!
A lot of what we have are placeholders for the original vision.
@@DigThat32 Yep, but the shape they will take as they are going to get implemented might not be a welcome one.
Manually loading a caterpillar... This will get old quickly
They should reconsider that the vast majority are solo players and how these changes are going to affect them...
And you should have realized they're building a life simulator...exact words used by CIG and Chris Roberts. Meaning, mundane elements to simulate a "life" in a sci-fi galaxy. Also, it's not meant to needlessly inconvenience you, it's about game balance. If things are too easy and too quick to do solo, then it destroys the value in those actions, AND it destroys the value in playing with groups.
CIG MUST balance for group play, therefore, because if they don't then there's no point to play in a group. Keep in mind though that solo players will be able to do all careers, but at the ENTRY level...you're not meant to be Mr. Moneybags, and you're not meant to solo ships bigger than a Connie even with the magical AI blades and NPC crew (hope you weren't thinking they would allow you to solo big stuff, because it's not happening).
@@ChristoffRevan Are you the CIG police? Its nice for you that your mother supports you so you can sit on a GAME all day and night but some of us have jobs and have to do this thing called pay bills and we even have this thing called FAMILIES. Yes, its where a guy and a girl (hopefully) get married and they actually live together, weird huh? Yeah, and um, see we have responsibilities and stuff in all those areas so for some of us, who have a life which you clearly don't, time is everything. At the end of the day, SC just so happens to be a GAME. SC has lost a lot of players, A LOT of players. Many of whom are solo players and don't have bunches of online buddies to play with all the time. At which point I have to actually start using the toilet they include in these ships, Im done. Some things just dont work Mr I dont have a job OR a girlfriend.
Good thing I only use my Carrack for running bunkers because of the med bed lol
No soup for you!!!!
*Snatches bag & shoves money back
man i wish my freelancer maxx would get some love
Your voice is sick.
Hey dude just wondering if I can feature this vid on my community news vid. You've been a big inspiration to me getting into UA-cam and I'd like to pay some respect where due. o7
Thanks man...you're doing well. No problem as long as it's not the entire video.
@@DigThat32 sure thing dude. Just a couple of clips that cover the outline of things. Enough to pique some interest to get folk over here for the full vid basically. Thanks man
Thank you. 😎
7:20 sounds like their making this game into a fulltime slave job -_-
That voice😮
My C2 is equipped with AD4Bs and AD5Bs. Inside it has a Pices Rescue, a Fury, 2 Nox and a Cyclone. That's all I need, Dig.
I heard you can only bedlog and save a total of 3 vehicles. Have you tested and found you can do so with more? Just asking because that would be cool for me too do.
@@aden6427 nah, pes in 3.18 introduced the ability to have as many as you want that can fit lol, I carry around a Pisces, roc, fury, ursa, and ptv in my c2
I bed logged with all of them and they're still there. @@aden6427
The BMM with its inside cargo tractor beam if it could be set to auto load and unload would place them large boxs right on one of them cargo movers.
That would make it easy but when selling at a settlement it will be a pain with out your own cargo transporter i hope you can take one with you.
this also makes reclaimer dead for a bit....awesome
Only need to make those into 8 scu boxes and they'll fit the elevator no issues
That shit is goofy and tedious as hell.
Good point
Best game ever, people have been spoiled over the money making so far and it will be turned back a lot. The bigger ships like 890 are supposed to require multiple owners to afford it and more. Freight is supposed to take time too, it’s real life sim
SCL show talked about static prices, not real encouraging since we've not heard from Tony Z. for over 2.5 yrs
Quanta...(quantum?)..whatever the space economy AI is called got put on the backburner because of dependencies. I think we'll start hearing more about it toward the end of the year.
@@DigThat32 I'll commandeer some of that hopeium from you and hold on to it, I'd really love to see Tony Z's vision come to past
Man, the grind in my opinion is already bad enough and if these changes are implemented, I'm just going to buy aUEC from ebay.
Aieou
Obsolete is a stretch. It might make some ships more difficult to use, but not completely useless.
C'mon mayne, we supposed to be brothers! 😆 j/k Nah, just depends on what you use it for. For a lotta owners, cargo is its primary function since its other functions aren't online yet. Hopefully we'll see the cargo pods, drones, & maps in play soon.
😂😂😂 laughs in proud Drake Caterpillar ownership 😂😂😂
I'm a space trucker, the activity of loading my own cargo vessel and then having the downtime in between would be welcomed. considering it's now just run to console run to ship. sit around some more land. the ship go to console, rinse and repeat... I welcome this new change
The idea that humans will be humping as laborers in 900 years with that kind of tech available is more than ridiculous.
I can see setting your (or somebody's ) robots to fill your ship and you having to go kill some time while they do it - so it becomes part of your gameplay planning - sure.
The only place where you'd have to use people would be places so beat down that they can't repair their robots / transports. Not sure what you'd be shipping from a place like that, tho.
As it stands now, it feels like they just target and beam over (like Star Trek) the cargo. Which is fine by me. Just make it cost extra money for that service still. I don’t see a reason to not make options for those squeezing profits.
AI is banned in the lore, and CIG have explicitly said that they are building a life simulator. This means that mundane elements are going to be added to the game in ever increasing amounts, like cargo loading. Why? It's for game balance, because if things are too quick and too easy then it destroys the value of doing an action...in addition, it destroys the economy, and in more important terms - it destroys potential satisfaction in getting something done. People don't play Dark Souls because it's easy, they play it because when they finally beat a boss after so many tries then it gives them the ultimate satisfaction knowing they WORKED for that win. Same for Star Citizen, you get through the mundane "day to day" activities, and once you complete your task/mission you set for yourself it feels all the more rewarding because you know you put in the time and effort.
Now, the reason SC is being built as a life sim has any bearing on this convo is because immersion is also a factor...having the physicality involved in even something as mundane as loading/unloading cargo makes it feel grounded and real. In addition though, CIG also wants group play to be a main focus of the game, not only that but they MUST balance the game around org/group play to allow for such gameplay to have meaning and value; if things are balanced around solo players and allows for them to do everything by themselves, then it ruins the need to play with a group.
CIG does not want the above, therefore larger medium sized ships as well as large/capital ships will NOT be soloable as it will be too costly and impractical (not to mention super inefficient) to use them as a single person EVEN with NPC crew and AI blades (almost especially with NPC crew too since they'll require regular wages...solo players likely won't be able to afford more than 2).
@@ChristoffRevan that makes perfect sense
Soo, if the robots do the loading, unloading , shooting and flying, what are we actually do to have fun?
@@Traumglanz No one is going to think loading 500+ SCU by hand is "fun".
So what, the carrack does everything else
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Here's the problem with this thinking. Gamers (in general) are always looking to maximise their investment in the most economical way. Because our (leisure) time is valuable, particularly if you're an adult and work for a living.
DigThat and every other SC'tuber have multiple guides on their channels explaining in detail how to do this for various game loops.
Here devs are talking about making a "game" as horribly realistic as possible. Who here works a manual handling job, and wants to play a simulator of those tasks in their spare time?
What I foresee is that unless the rewards for such time wasting are unreasonably high, no player will do them. It will be a feature no one except first timers or extreme role players will engage in.
Ah, the old "I don't like a specific gameplay style therefore no one else likes it either". Not everyone enjoys the things you enjoy. Also, it's about gameplay balance...they have to slow things down, it makes what you do meaningful and increases the sense of satisfaction when you get the things done that you want done (missions, activities, etc). Also, they need to balance around group play, if solo players can do everything not only quickly but easily then it destroys any purpose in playing with others (which playing with others right now is already worthless in many aspects). You don't seem to understand the game they're building, but that's fine...you either adapt your expectations, or leave the project
@@ChristoffRevan "they have to slow things down" tell that to caterpillar owners who are going to have to manual load there cargo bays...... i hope they realise the time/cost is going to have to be rebalanced as a result because manually loading a caterpillar as a solo player would literally ruin said gameplay loop to a point the majority wouldnt even use it
It's kinda weird how people don't understand some ships will need a crew and think that's crazy. Like how an airbus a380 has a single pilot and no crew, or a cargo container ship has just the captain. Or a train has just a single driver (and not even relief crew). Automation goes a long way, but it cannot replace people entirely. It also removes a lot of player agency and cost/ benefit.
CIG are giving people reasons to play together. Which is great. Does that mean we might not be able to efficiently solo everything? Yes. AI and NPCs may help fill some of the automation, but some ships are just going to need actual people to run well. As a solo pilot, who sometimes flies with others, I have zero problem with that. As a Banu MerchantMan enjoyer, it terrifies and excites to even consider loading that thing up and have crew help me run it. ^.^
It's great to see this growing out and it's an exciting time for the game as a whole. Buying a big giant ship (or earning it in-game) doesn't impart any right to run the thing solo for any given game loop; never has.
It's why I am hoping these changes will keep single seaters and medium size ships relevant still. As of right now there's no reason to keep to an Avenger or C1 once you have a Connie Taurus, C2, or any other larger ship. Feels bad because the single seaters and medium ships are actually my favourite types, but as of right now there is no reason to stick with them.
It sounds to me like these changes will change that and the single seater and medium ships will start to have a lot more value for solo players as there will actually be content and missions for them to do and not necessarily need or even want to move up to the bigger ships, which is good.
I feel like people are really stuck in a mindset that bigger = better. In the past, a bigger ship simply meant more cargo and more durability, with no downsides. Now we are seeing the game get fleshed out more and there are going to be downsides to larger ships that I think people just aren't mentally adjusted to.
@@BigSneed404There's going to be a lot of salt about this, but I'm glad CIG is sticking to their guns and keeping on designing the life simulator they always planned to build (not space sim, please understand the difference here...the game is not meant to be realistic in all aspects, but rather have a lot of MUNDANITY in order to model the day to day life one might have in a sci-fi galaxy...this provides game balance as it slows things down and forces you to think carefully about your actions as well as plan ahead, and thus provides a sense of value and accomplishment when you get things done).
I'm all down for the new gameplay but this whole loading and unloading thing seems a bit too much. It should just be you go there. You pick your car go. It gives you a timer on when your ship is going to load and that's saying the bigger ones. It might be an hour or two for to load everything up. Then you take another ship and you go out and do something else and come back. I'll just manual stuff. It's just wasted game time
Glad to hear your voice again in SC ... 3.23 it will be a rich of content.
Do not deprive us of your participation.
My only problem is including Tony Zervec statements is a bit misleading as where is Tony since 2949 Citizen Con. He is missing in action, and many believe that Tony is gone from CIG. Even 2/2/24 for Star Citizen Live introduced a new person to talk about economy. I think everything Tony said is out of date and not worthy of including any more.
I agree. I haven't heard mention of him since before we learned "people from the art department left" when they were forced to explain why the BMM was off the pipeline. There has been nothing to force them to announce whether TZ left.
It seems company MO is usually to just stop saying theor name and pretend they never existed.
Nah. Tony Z is high profile enough that him leaving would be well known. I sincerely believe he has just been AWOL from the spot light simply because he just hasn't had enough to talk about in recent years to be worth getting in front of the camera. There's no point putting him on stage if all he's going to say is "we have this planned, expect it in 5 years, by which time everything will likely be different." The game needs the fleshing out it's getting now before a more proper economy can be brought in and talked about.
CIG isn't as open with us anymore as they were in the early years. They got burned badly for it and learned their lesson. They'll put him on when there's something worth talking about.
@@Gofr5 Disagree CIG would not put someone on stage to say nothing has changed, That is literally what CIG does. They put someone on the stage to say what they want or would like the feature to be without any evidence. This years CitizenCon was the exception. Every other CitizenCon was exactly that just talk. Also remember the loss of the half of the ship team which CIG failed to notify but rather just said Banu Merchantman was on pause. It was only after 6 months did they come clean. Tony Z is a director who used to be on every single SC show when economy was spoke. However, in the last 2 years, Nothing...no one word.
@@grast5150 I still don't think that's any reason to think he's gone. That's all conjecture.
Sound like a bit stupid, what happend to the rule of cool or fun. The idea that my ship can explode since I rented the wrong crew. What they must impliment before this is ship npc.
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So, you see, I have the hull C that I bought to maximize my time cost per unit of cargo, the guy over there said that the more cargo I put in my ship the less interesting it will be, this is totally against the logic of logistics. What kind of donkey thinks of a system that literally goes against the logic of cost per volume. The Carrack was literally the ship I liked the most in the game and even now it's the most useless, it doesn't do anything well and what it should be exquisite to do doesn't exist yet even after years of its release, and now they're going to change the system that it benefits from the most before even reviewing it. I've been playing for 4 years now and in the last year I've seen seriously questionable decisions implemented. I complain because I love this game and seeing so many recent decisions out of logic annoys me.
lol don't worry, it's not finished yet. Later on down the line, you can look back at this & laugh
Ohhhh Tony Z... CIG cant even make multi-tier missions let alone what he says will come to pass...
We picked up one since this comment... Overdrive Initiative
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