I asked my instructor if I should focus on one technique and he said: "No, you need to practice everything." So I did 1 day street, 1 day grip 1 day hook 1 day side and 1 day top roll. I came to an armwrestling meeting and was surprise to see that everyone that was struggling against me could now easily beat me. I realized that like you said in the video, if you only practice something 10% you will get only 10% stronger. I wish I had seen this video sooner.
This is definitely true for me, i used to be super strong in hook, but i learned top roll and didn't completely know how, so i lost my hook strength my hook technique, i was always trying to top roll in which i was weak
This video completely changed my mentality about arm wrestling :) ... my elbows hurt like hell because I wanted to be strong in both together... Thank you so much man!! Awesome videos always
I admit I'm one of those sitting with phone and wanting to be like John or larratt, like great in every technique 😁 But yeah, I agree that like example even Devon was always bigger hooker than top roller. He eventually grew more ofc. Developing strongest form is also as important being versatile
Great advice I just took second in my first tournament almost first time on a table. but I tried to do something I saw on UA-cam and didn't do what I knew I was good at and lost!
I prefer the toproll but I also train for hook becouse sometimes I can't toproll my oponent and I drive into a hook,but I concentrate more on toproll.By the way,great video.
This is so helpful! I love press/shoulder roll! I just starting armwrestling at a club. I notice i am really good at press. BUt the guys at the club tell me not to press that its not for beginners. That i should focus on hook drag or toproll. But i loose a lot in those positions. But as soon as i put myself into press /shoulder roll, i have really strong move. Should i listen to the club or just ignore and focus on getting better at press?
Press is strong move but it comes with big risk of injury. Work with weaker armwrestlers with hook-more similar to press and don`t overtrain your press.
Excellent video Ray!!! I think that from now on more people should really know what technique to use...!!!particularly that part where you explain about the pathways!!!!!
First time i have to disagree with you , yet you made some Good points , i guess there are just diferent ways of looking at training for everyone but they all work
Which part are u disagreeing? Everything is open for discussion. My expirence and knowledge has show that most succesful armwrestlers choose one technique and build around it if you are healthy and have not found any weakneses in your technique I dont see why u should train something else.
Armwrestling Training by Ray I think i know what Filips point,we should train all techniques and train all parts of arms because arm wrestling requires every defense and attack technique.What I mean by that even if you are a hook person training top roll will benefit you against a top roll person for defense.
what i mean is that every single move have a counter move , there is nothing like perfect top roll or perfect hook , lets take Zhokh for extreme example , he could probably toproll 99,9% of armwrestlers in the world , because of how he is build there is no chance someone is taking his wrist in top roll vs top roll , now take a guy that is nowhere near his toproll strenght but can hit the right angle in the hook and he can beat him ...
My opinion is that just the variety of techniques and moves you have strong is that makes you a complete athlete and also an armwrestler..Armwrestling is a kind of wrestling that you should have your basic movements but also a backup plan wich if you hadnt train it you ll never have it.. You have to adapt to deferent situations.. Also as you said all the great pullers like devon and john use a variety of techniques.
i did my fair share of arm wrestling techniques, i got into arm wrestling and learnt most of the style (attack, defensive) and the techniques like hook etc. I think if you train your arms with weights, like hammer curl and bicep curl, pushups. you have a strong base, i dont know what you mean when you say about what day to train something, i just do the movement that i like which happens to be the hook and the toproll, i like both because you cant top roll someone with better toproll, so you can hook. and so and so, and toproll is much easier, you have more control and leverage, where hook is for shorter arms...
Now lot of new guys are training for hook on one day and toproll on other. It`s confusing to them so they stay in middle and on table don`t know what to do.
I don't know man, I mean at least in calisthenics usually when someone gets advanced enough it seems they tend to excel at either pushing or pulling exercises. But just because they excel at one doesn't mean that they can't be exceptional at the other, and there will be diminishing returns after a certain point with the one you are good at. I for example am better at pulling, I can do one arm pull ups and clean slow muscle ups with a false grip, but I still train pushing exercises to ensure that I still have a better than average performance in those movements, even though my main focus is pulling. But if I focus just on pulling then I will start to get tendonitis and things from not giving those muscles the time to recover. I find that in that recovery time you can train the other, and in fact supersetting pushing and pulling in the same workout i find to be a good way to get 'active recovery' and train both in the same workout. I don't see why this wouldn't also apply to training hook and top roll? I feel like once you're at a certain level relative to the statistical average, then it's almost natural to become exceptional at both - at least, in calisthenics. I see what you mean though, it seems most national level and lower pullers are specialists (take Ethan Fritsche for example, he has an amazing hook but his toproll is not nearly at that level [at least that appeared to be the case in Arm Wars Las Vegas]) but world level pullers seem to tend to be more well rounded.
So tell me what do you think about this "Brzenk tips": "My adventage over many armwrestler has always been my ability to hit a vulnerable direction with enouggh force to keep them from using their strenght and endurence against me"
I like the top and train it mostly. But I have started to learn a special hook technique that works EXTREMLY well with top roll. But my top roll is still 80% of what I do when training.
I train for toproll for like a year but i cannot open any armwrestler fingers in my hometown and because i don't train hook or press at all i basically cannot beat any of them except my friends who only armwrestle for fun. Now i learn to press and hook maybe this technique work's better for me .
Cup strength & pronation!!! Post & rise will help but main focus has to be pronation. Open up and drag out as going for a top roll and roll that pronation for all you're worth
One question......when we train our asses of at toproll but someone manages to hook us,then we cannot....like COMPLETELY cannot enter our power strength. So,in those situations,isn't it also advisable to practice hook as a backup plan? Obviously not the main,but in those situation in which if we cannot win in toproll,where we have to step out of our territory?
Great point , John breznk has everything but still his perfect position is the toproll , everyone has a strong spot which he has to discover and then train that until you're confident and strong enough to explore other moves , of course to be experienced you have to train everything but for newbies they should stick with their strongest side.
question: so, my opponent is a guy who is bigger than me with long arms, but in terms of strength, relatively at the same level or a tiny bit stronger than I am. As he have long arms, he got the advantage in beating me in arm wrestling as he plays top roll. So, will it be better to pick hook or top roll?
I am watching this video and and just starting out and just armwrestling friends and training and i feel comfortable in both but should i consider my hand size when chosing ?
i think you should stick to one thing but be okay at the other lets say someones wrist os so strong you cant toproll him so you will go in the hook with him as an other option so you have to be kind of good at the other things because you can use when you need it
I'm in a dilemma. I have been a toproller for almost 2 years of my armwrestling journey, but when I joined my first tournament (sick that day) I lost to everyone even to my team mates whom I've always beaten. I started focusing on weight training with the best program for me and put armwrestling at the top of my priority. Now, after 2 months of training smart, consistent, with good diet and recovery, my training partners can't touch me when I'm hooking them and i still can toproll them good but my hook was massive. I will keep training the same way but I can see myself having both techniques not knowing what should be my ace yet.. Let me know if anyone have any ideas.
I agree with you completely, with a few sidepoints. If you are beyond amateur level then I think the split should be about 75%/25%. 75% percent on your strong technique and 25% on the other with a little time on the press. Beginners and Amateur level should be about 90% for primary and 10% dedicated to the other and press. Lower level dont train seriously enough to try and master 2 styles. More success at this level comes from specializing in your strength and becoming as good as you can. The 10% given to the other is to be familiar with those movements and have enough training you can use it when all else fails
I agree with you. We still see guys on top being 100% one technique. I would rather have one strong move than 10 average. Janis would agree with me - his main style is top roll, he is master of every style but he chooses to go to his best move every time.
Im not an arm wrestler. But I've been practicing the various exercises, specific to your sport,to rehab an arm injury. It seems to me, there is enough difference in the anatomy, used between the hook and the toproll movement. To be able to work both without hindering one. Arms are a small muscle group. They don't tax the whole system, just the small muscles used. Do you mean practicing the movement on the table, to perfect a particular technique?
Good thoughts! What about people like Devon Larrat who would say you need to find your opponents weakness and go for that? If I only top rolled but pulled someone who sucked in a hook or was amazing in top roll wouldn’t it make sense to be good in both a hook & toproll? What do you think? I’m in an arm wrestling club and they’re recommending learning how to “toproll” first as it’s safer and lower risk than pressing or hooking. At least until I’ve been pulling for a year to toughen up my tendons.
Thank you so much for sharing! I'm new in the sport of armwrestling. Been training hard the past 3 months ever since I was introduced. I am still figuring out my natural go to move. I armwrestled a guy way stronger than me and after a few seconds of the match his side pressure was bringing me over a little so my natural instinct was to get my shoulder behind and then I pressed him pretty quickly. Would this be my move to focus on?
Are hook and cup essentially the same? Ie you cup/pronate your wrist to create the hook? Can't find anything distinguishing the two and I'm learning but I understand you can hook or top roll and the latter is for mechanical advantage on a stronger opponent
old video but I have a genuine question, my son 9 years old, has actually strong wrist, I can really feel how hard it is to hook him but pronating him in a toproll feels like a knife in butter. He wants to learn armwrestling, should I go with toproll training or hook or both , at such a young age ?
Myshahid Hussain Lol.. this isnt something to talk about. Its too generic. Its like saying to be good in armwrestling you need a strong wrist, yeah you need hand control but hand control is done through the muscles of the forearm, which strengthens when doing back and bciep exercises. So it’s all conmected and you should focus ln all
Myshahid Hussain You do realise that to hook you need hand control, and to toproll you need handcontrol aswell right? You’ve been watching Ryan bowen who acts like hand control is a different thing to make it look like he’s doing something special.
But regardless of this should hook people train pronation/rise/backpressure or do much more supination/bicep etc or do you mean only practise on the table one or the other?
Hi. Firstly i wanna thank you for all the info u've put out for us. I live the sport but haven't started yet. Reason being is i have tennis elbow injury in my right elbow. I got it from too much rope pullups i guess. I can't do pullups (a bit painful) with overhand grip but i can do chinups with underhand grip and pullups with neutral grip So my question is, do u think i can get into armwresting under my condition? Thank you 😊
i would have to disagree, in arm wrestling you should have all the techniques, yes it takes time to strengthen, but if you have a good hook, they can press to counter, most people cant develop one technique strength, if you build good strength. you just have to understand the rest of the techniques, to counter attack obviously in mma you cant try and master all the arts, you have the basics striking, kicking, grappling etc, there are variations. in arm wrestling there a smaller variations, hook, toproll, press, posting etc theres not that many
I`m not saying to do just one. But to have one main technique let`s say hook, but someone beats you in hook then doing some improvements in toproll will benefit you in having upper hand over him. But just look at guys who are at top 90% have one really strong move. They don`t need to have everything when they find weaknesses in their armor then they can improve those weaknesses. I understand what you are saying but most successful armwrestlers have had singe unbeatable move their go to. If new armwrestlers start practicing everything they lose that one strong move and have two or three that are half of that. Having lot of moves in your arsenal will help you when you are in difficult situations but you first need to have that one that is your best. Training hook to good toproller will confuse their body he will not understand what to do on table and will go to place where he feels comfortable no necessarily stronger.
It seems to me that, the huge majority of professional armwrestlers, are using the toproll. I value more the hookers, because the hook needs more strength but the best armwrestlers are those who use both and adjust to any situation.
im 16 and beat my teacher who used to go to the gym using hook. im a noob, and the teacher even seemed like he sort of knew what he was doing too. I guess im an OP natural hooker :p good to know I should just stick with that
I just go sideway, we found out this technique in our club. In another club another guy meant I am DEFINETLY a hooker (comment from very skilled armwrestler). On my first turnament I did just my sideway thing and did very good. I become second in my class (amateur). The guy who beat me was clearly cuping me very well and attacking my bizeps (it hurt a lot after the tournament). I felt the guy was just over all stronger than me. And I have to say if I would go aginst that guy again I would definetly try to toproll him the next time. John Brzenk meant you should train everything. "Eventually you will run into someone, you would have to use another technique" But yeah not everyone is John. So should I just continue with the sidepressure? I mean some people would say it's not really a technique. And in the longrun you get hurt...
My built: I have quite big trizeps and cheast, I m not a particularly good benchpresser though. I don't train though. I just do push ups. I can do many push ups and also one arm push ups (up to 20!). Pull ups I can do about 20 nice one 25-27 ugly form. But I can`t do a one arm pull up, even though I tried a lot to do it!! :-( I m generally athletic and explosive person (->Fast rise of pressure but maybe not the highest peak pressure). And I have small hands :-( Sorry for my long comment!! I would be very thankful if you guy can give me your opinion!!!
" I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." Bruce Lee
1000%
@@voiceofarmwrestling hi
"Never half ass two things, whole ass one thing, commit to it." - Ron Swanson
Thats the best quote evere!
I asked my instructor if I should focus on one technique and he said: "No, you need to practice everything." So I did 1 day street, 1 day grip 1 day hook 1 day side and 1 day top roll. I came to an armwrestling meeting and was surprise to see that everyone that was struggling against me could now easily beat me. I realized that like you said in the video, if you only practice something 10% you will get only 10% stronger. I wish I had seen this video sooner.
This is definitely true for me, i used to be super strong in hook, but i learned top roll and didn't completely know how, so i lost my hook strength my hook technique, i was always trying to top roll in which i was weak
This video completely changed my mentality about arm wrestling :) ... my elbows hurt like hell because I wanted to be strong in both together... Thank you so much man!! Awesome videos always
Arm short hook and long arm top roll?
In most cases yes.
@@voiceofarmwrestling Arm or forearm length are we talking about?
Siergiej882 Kowaliow forearm
I have a long arm and forearm and I prefer hook
I admit I'm one of those sitting with phone and wanting to be like John or larratt, like great in every technique 😁
But yeah, I agree that like example even Devon was always bigger hooker than top roller. He eventually grew more ofc.
Developing strongest form is also as important being versatile
Lol I love how you say not to be a MMA guy. MASTER something first, then strengthen your weakness. Good advice Ray.
I get so exhausted from trying to train everything - thank you for this video
Hook = best move for straps
Toproll = best move to losen opponent’s grip and take the easier win (i think)
Great advice I just took second in my first tournament almost first time on a table. but I tried to do something I saw on UA-cam and didn't do what I knew I was good at and lost!
Make a video about toproll grip, hook grip nd side pressure grip nd how to train them
I prefer the toproll but I also train for hook becouse sometimes I can't toproll my oponent and I drive into a hook,but I concentrate more on toproll.By the way,great video.
This is so helpful! I love press/shoulder roll! I just starting armwrestling at a club. I notice i am really good at press. BUt the guys at the club tell me not to press that its not for beginners. That i should focus on hook drag or toproll. But i loose a lot in those positions. But as soon as i put myself into press /shoulder roll,
i have really strong move. Should i listen to the club or just ignore and focus on getting better at press?
Press is strong move but it comes with big risk of injury. Work with weaker armwrestlers with hook-more similar to press and don`t overtrain your press.
@@voiceofarmwrestling you have video how to do hook similar to press?
Excellent video Ray!!! I think that from now on more people should really know what technique to use...!!!particularly that part where you explain about the pathways!!!!!
First time i have to disagree with you , yet you made some Good points , i guess there are just diferent ways of looking at training for everyone but they all work
Which part are u disagreeing? Everything is open for discussion. My expirence and knowledge has show that most succesful armwrestlers choose one technique and build around it if you are healthy and have not found any weakneses in your technique I dont see why u should train something else.
Armwrestling Training by Ray I think i know what Filips point,we should train all techniques and train all parts of arms because arm wrestling requires every defense and attack technique.What I mean by that even if you are a hook person training top roll will benefit you against a top roll person for defense.
what i mean is that every single move have a counter move , there is nothing like perfect top roll or perfect hook , lets take Zhokh for extreme example , he could probably toproll 99,9% of armwrestlers in the world , because of how he is build there is no chance someone is taking his wrist in top roll vs top roll , now take a guy that is nowhere near his toproll strenght but can hit the right angle in the hook and he can beat him ...
Good video bro we all player know ur pinot is right because every player has his own signature move
Filip Cico Hritz maybe he meant like taking the example of Zhokh, if improves his top roll more.. He could avoid going into a hook in first place. 😅
My opinion is that just the variety of techniques and moves you have strong is that makes you a complete athlete and also an armwrestler..Armwrestling is a kind of wrestling that you should have your basic movements but also a backup plan wich if you hadnt train it you ll never have it.. You have to adapt to deferent situations.. Also as you said all the great pullers like devon and john use a variety of techniques.
i did my fair share of arm wrestling techniques, i got into arm wrestling and learnt most of the style (attack, defensive) and the techniques like hook etc. I think if you train your arms with weights, like hammer curl and bicep curl, pushups. you have a strong base, i dont know what you mean when you say about what day to train something, i just do the movement that i like which happens to be the hook and the toproll, i like both because you cant top roll someone with better toproll, so you can hook. and so and so, and toproll is much easier, you have more control and leverage, where hook is for shorter arms...
Now lot of new guys are training for hook on one day and toproll on other. It`s confusing to them so they stay in middle and on table don`t know what to do.
I think that's just lack of experience, overtime they will develop strength and new skills.
Yes, and they are wasting time, energy and health and staying on place when they split training 50/50.
bro💀 this guy just said youre coming from the mma world and thats literally me and i literally thought you need everything
You right bro Love you from Mumbai india
I don't know man, I mean at least in calisthenics usually when someone gets advanced enough it seems they tend to excel at either pushing or pulling exercises. But just because they excel at one doesn't mean that they can't be exceptional at the other, and there will be diminishing returns after a certain point with the one you are good at. I for example am better at pulling, I can do one arm pull ups and clean slow muscle ups with a false grip, but I still train pushing exercises to ensure that I still have a better than average performance in those movements, even though my main focus is pulling. But if I focus just on pulling then I will start to get tendonitis and things from not giving those muscles the time to recover. I find that in that recovery time you can train the other, and in fact supersetting pushing and pulling in the same workout i find to be a good way to get 'active recovery' and train both in the same workout. I don't see why this wouldn't also apply to training hook and top roll? I feel like once you're at a certain level relative to the statistical average, then it's almost natural to become exceptional at both - at least, in calisthenics.
I see what you mean though, it seems most national level and lower pullers are specialists (take Ethan Fritsche for example, he has an amazing hook but his toproll is not nearly at that level [at least that appeared to be the case in Arm Wars Las Vegas]) but world level pullers seem to tend to be more well rounded.
Just straight side pressure without your wrist. 😍
So tell me what do you think about this "Brzenk tips": "My adventage over many armwrestler has always been my ability to hit a vulnerable direction with enouggh force to keep them from using their strenght and endurence against me"
Million dollar lesson brother ❤️
I like the top and train it mostly. But I have started to learn a special hook technique that works EXTREMLY well with top roll. But my top roll is still 80% of what I do when training.
high hook?
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I train for toproll for like a year but i cannot open any armwrestler fingers in my hometown and because i don't train hook or press at all i basically cannot beat any of them except my friends who only armwrestle for fun. Now i learn to press and hook maybe this technique work's better for me .
Excellent advice thank you
Love the videos my friend thank you for sharing
How do I get out of a low hook?
I got in one once and only held with my bicep, how do I get out of it?
Charge, lower hips and rise into a toproll?
Use defansive top roll
Cup strength & pronation!!! Post & rise will help but main focus has to be pronation. Open up and drag out as going for a top roll and roll that pronation for all you're worth
But coach ray I just train inside and I didn't do outside. Then my outside forearm in pain right now what should I do?
me and my brother have close strength but he beat me 😢. i have dumbbells and belt. can u advice me videos of you?
I had an unbreakable hook but then I practised toproll i lost my hook
Thanks man
Stay strong!
One question......when we train our asses of at toproll but someone manages to hook us,then we cannot....like COMPLETELY cannot enter our power strength. So,in those situations,isn't it also advisable to practice hook as a backup plan? Obviously not the main,but in those situation in which if we cannot win in toproll,where we have to step out of our territory?
Great point , John breznk has everything but still his perfect position is the toproll , everyone has a strong spot which he has to discover and then train that until you're confident and strong enough to explore other moves , of course to be experienced you have to train everything but for newbies they should stick with their strongest side.
question: so, my opponent is a guy who is bigger than me with long arms, but in terms of strength, relatively at the same level or a tiny bit stronger than I am. As he have long arms, he got the advantage in beating me in arm wrestling as he plays top roll. So, will it be better to pick hook or top roll?
I am watching this video and and just starting out and just armwrestling friends and training and i feel comfortable in both but should i consider my hand size when chosing ?
i think you should stick to one thing but be okay at the other lets say someones wrist os so strong you cant toproll him so you will go in the hook with him as an other option so you have to be kind of good at the other things because you can use when you need it
Exactly
I'm in a dilemma. I have been a toproller for almost 2 years of my armwrestling journey, but when I joined my first tournament (sick that day) I lost to everyone even to my team mates whom I've always beaten. I started focusing on weight training with the best program for me and put armwrestling at the top of my priority. Now, after 2 months of training smart, consistent, with good diet and recovery, my training partners can't touch me when I'm hooking them and i still can toproll them good but my hook was massive. I will keep training the same way but I can see myself having both techniques not knowing what should be my ace yet.. Let me know if anyone have any ideas.
I'm the same way but weaker. Just gonna keep training both at 100% tbh
Tnx sir very nice information ❤🤝💪😎I love toproll ❤
Always welcome
@voice of Armwrestling
This might be an odd question, but what if you don't know which arm to focus on? Thanks
Find out where you are stronger and focus on that
@@voiceofarmwrestlingokay! thanks :)
Thanks 😊
I agree with you completely, with a few sidepoints. If you are beyond amateur level then I think the split should be about 75%/25%. 75% percent on your strong technique and 25% on the other with a little time on the press. Beginners and Amateur level should be about 90% for primary and 10% dedicated to the other and press. Lower level dont train seriously enough to try and master 2 styles. More success at this level comes from specializing in your strength and becoming as good as you can. The 10% given to the other is to be familiar with those movements and have enough training you can use it when all else fails
I agree with you. We still see guys on top being 100% one technique. I would rather have one strong move than 10 average. Janis would agree with me - his main style is top roll, he is master of every style but he chooses to go to his best move every time.
Is it necessary to have a good pronator for hook?
Im not an arm wrestler. But I've been practicing the various exercises, specific to your sport,to rehab an arm injury. It seems to me, there is enough difference in the anatomy, used between the hook and the toproll movement. To be able to work both without hindering one. Arms are a small muscle group. They don't tax the whole system, just the small muscles used. Do you mean practicing the movement on the table, to perfect a particular technique?
Yes, creating that pathway for you muscles so your brain gives command that muscles understand.
Hey what if im really light weight ?? Should i go for top roll or hook
Weight doesn`t impact your technique.
Good thoughts! What about people like Devon Larrat who would say you need to find your opponents weakness and go for that? If I only top rolled but pulled someone who sucked in a hook or was amazing in top roll wouldn’t it make sense to be good in both a hook & toproll? What do you think? I’m in an arm wrestling club and they’re recommending learning how to “toproll” first as it’s safer and lower risk than pressing or hooking. At least until I’ve been pulling for a year to toughen up my tendons.
What is better against a shorter opponent with a stronger forearm hook or toproll?
Toproll, probably
Thank you so much for sharing! I'm new in the sport of armwrestling. Been training hard the past 3 months ever since I was introduced. I am still figuring out my natural go to move. I armwrestled a guy way stronger than me and after a few seconds of the match his side pressure was bringing me over a little so my natural instinct was to get my shoulder behind and then I pressed him pretty quickly. Would this be my move to focus on?
@drwxrr yeah that was 2 years ago, i know now
@@blazecarr what's the answer?
@@jayetheve answer to what?
Are hook and cup essentially the same? Ie you cup/pronate your wrist to create the hook? Can't find anything distinguishing the two and I'm learning but I understand you can hook or top roll and the latter is for mechanical advantage on a stronger opponent
Hook is Cup and supination
old video but I have a genuine question, my son 9 years old, has actually strong wrist, I can really feel how hard it is to hook him but pronating him in a toproll feels like a knife in butter. He wants to learn armwrestling, should I go with toproll training or hook or both , at such a young age ?
I think the key of armwrestling is HandControl
combined with backpressure
Łunar Çraft i dont believe in backpressure too much every thing behind backpressure is upper forearm muscle just we have to work on that
Myshahid Hussain Lol.. this isnt something to talk about. Its too generic. Its like saying to be good in armwrestling you need a strong wrist, yeah you need hand control but hand control is done through the muscles of the forearm, which strengthens when doing back and bciep exercises. So it’s all conmected and you should focus ln all
Sgt corpd i know but i meant to say that hook and toproll is not every thing we have to focus on every thing related to this sport
Myshahid Hussain You do realise that to hook you need hand control, and to toproll you need handcontrol aswell right? You’ve been watching Ryan bowen who acts like hand control is a different thing to make it look like he’s doing something special.
Toproll is for guys with strong wrists and forearms. Hook is for guys with solid wrists and stronger biceps.
How do i train my wrist to defend from top roll?. Im a hooker but i struggle a lot against top rollers
You don't train wrist, you stiffen your forearm, statically train your Forearm
Cupping, also train your fingers with a straight pull, either with a pulley system or doing it isometrically with free weights.
But regardless of this should hook people train pronation/rise/backpressure or do much more supination/bicep etc or do you mean only practise on the table one or the other?
Train how many days a week?
Great video
Thanks!
Armwrestling Training by Ray i started arm wrestling 6 months ago and i won gold at finlands arm wrestling championship :D at juniors
Hi. Firstly i wanna thank you for all the info u've put out for us. I live the sport but haven't started yet.
Reason being is i have tennis elbow injury in my right elbow. I got it from too much rope pullups i guess.
I can't do pullups (a bit painful) with overhand grip but i can do chinups with underhand grip and pullups with neutral grip
So my question is, do u think i can get into armwresting under my condition?
Thank you 😊
How to decide top roll or hook
Thank u 🌹🌹
i would have to disagree, in arm wrestling you should have all the techniques, yes it takes time to strengthen, but if you have a good hook, they can press to counter, most people cant develop one technique strength, if you build good strength. you just have to understand the rest of the techniques, to counter attack
obviously in mma you cant try and master all the arts, you have the basics striking, kicking, grappling etc, there are variations. in arm wrestling there a smaller variations, hook, toproll, press, posting etc theres not that many
I`m not saying to do just one. But to have one main technique let`s say hook, but someone beats you in hook then doing some improvements in toproll will benefit you in having upper hand over him. But just look at guys who are at top 90% have one really strong move. They don`t need to have everything when they find weaknesses in their armor then they can improve those weaknesses. I understand what you are saying but most successful armwrestlers have had singe unbeatable move their go to. If new armwrestlers start practicing everything they lose that one strong move and have two or three that are half of that. Having lot of moves in your arsenal will help you when you are in difficult situations but you first need to have that one that is your best. Training hook to good toproller will confuse their body he will not understand what to do on table and will go to place where he feels comfortable no necessarily stronger.
I see, that's understandable. I think naturally we all have a favorite move.
My advice is to build around your strongest points not other way.
Understandable, good advice to the people
I'ma become the next Jerry Cadorette, flop press only
I'm joking, I'm not suicidal
I think top roller are weak because in hook we see the raw athlete power❤❤
Great
Thanks!
Can we train forearm wrestling at home ?
he had answer in some of his vids with basics like dumbbells barbells with wrist curls wrist rollers wrist extensions google is your friend my man
How to know in which I'm better?
2 option
1- try both movements and see which feels more natural.
2- try armwrestling many people with both styles. See where u have most success.
@@voiceofarmwrestling thanks dude ♥️
Is true I'm very strong on top roll but my hook is shit
There is a youtuber called merijn you look like him exactly
He looks like me, not other way around.
@@voiceofarmwrestling lol
It seems to me that, the huge majority of professional armwrestlers, are using the toproll.
I value more the hookers, because the hook needs more strength but the best armwrestlers are those who use both and adjust to any situation.
Very true 👍👍👍
Thanks.
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im 16 and beat my teacher who used to go to the gym using hook. im a noob, and the teacher even seemed like he sort of knew what he was doing too.
I guess im an OP natural hooker :p good to know I should just stick with that
coach “MMA” ray 🤣🤣🤣
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I just go sideway, we found out this technique in our club. In another club another guy meant I am DEFINETLY a hooker (comment from very skilled armwrestler).
On my first turnament I did just my sideway thing and did very good. I become second in my class (amateur). The guy who beat me was clearly cuping me very well and attacking my bizeps (it hurt a lot after the tournament). I felt the guy was just over all stronger than me. And I have to say if I would go aginst that guy again I would definetly try to toproll him the next time.
John Brzenk meant you should train everything. "Eventually you will run into someone, you would have to use another technique" But yeah not everyone is John.
So should I just continue with the sidepressure? I mean some people would say it's not really a technique. And in the longrun you get hurt...
My built: I have quite big trizeps and cheast, I m not a particularly good benchpresser though. I don't train though. I just do push ups. I can do many push ups and also one arm push ups (up to 20!). Pull ups I can do about 20 nice one 25-27 ugly form. But I can`t do a one arm pull up, even though I tried a lot to do it!! :-(
I m generally athletic and explosive person (->Fast rise of pressure but maybe not the highest peak pressure). And I have small hands :-(
Sorry for my long comment!!
I would be very thankful if you guy can give me your opinion!!!
Don't be like top armwrestlers they all are juiced up, shame on sports
Am I right coach ray? Pls tell the truth
What I call top armwrestlers are different from other people “top armwrestlers”.
@@voiceofarmwrestling What are your own definition of top armwrestler?
why are juicers a shame on the sport?
Only "Smart" people know there is only one answer to this..... you ask silly question...lol.... eat pasta my friends...
Quick answer: both