Cosmetic Catholics and the Crisis of Authority. Taylor Marshall exposes Calvin Robinson.
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Summary:
Here Dr Gavin Ashenden, former Anglican Bishop and Chaplain to the late Queen Elizabeth II, explores the ambiguity around Calvin Robinsons Catholicity following a recent interview that Calvin did with Taylor Marshall.
Gavin explains how the 39 articles are a rejection of the Church which Christ himself instituted and that those who fail to make the sacrifices necessary to become Catholic have no business calling themselves so.
Gavin refers to JRR Tolkien, Pope Leo XIII and Luther in his forensic analysis of the Anglican rejection of Rome.
We KNEW this was inside of you! Jolly Good to see you express Christs Charity and Mercy as Truth! The Gospel is often times a tough pill to swallow. Thank you for caring for Calvins soul as apparently no one else has had the courage and love to do so! God Bless you 🙏 ❤
I have SO MUCH respect for Calvin's courage and speaking, and much of what he says (as a former "Anglo-Catholic" myself) resonates and I find myself sympathizing with. BUT I have come to the Catholic Church (Confirmed in April) to experience the fullness of Christianity and a relationship with Christ, and looking back now after a conversion process that was lengthy (many years), painful (cost me dear friendships and still risks some of my family relationships), and messy, I can see so plainly that sincerely striving for the historic, living Christian faith could have led nowhere other than to the Catholic Church. Based in Rome. Under the Pope in communion with the worldwide bishops. I hope that Calvin finds his way home too.
Your Pope venerated the thanks. demon goddess. No thanks.
Your barking up the wrong tree, come and join us at the only true Church of Christ, The Holy Orthodox Church.
Ill include you in my prayers 🙏☦️
@@BillSikes. But which one? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Moscow%E2%80%93Constantinople_schism
@@TheUltimateUSCFan
The Assyrian! We're the original Church!
@@BillSikes. Would all the other Orthodox Christians agree with that?
As a new catholic convert, thank you for such a concise explanation of the interview. When I watched it, and was confused by Calvin's answers, I thought my lack of knowledge was the issue not him.
I too was confused and switched off early from the attitude as well as cigar clouds.
Wow! This is a masterclass at how to critique a friend or at least someone you genuinely care for and respect. This needed to be said as it is such a serious issue and his large platform could lead many souls astray. Thank you! Will continue to pray for your ministry and for Calvin’s full conversion to the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church!
Bergoglionis the one leading souls astray.
I've listened to this commentary twice now and want to thank Gavin for insight and analysis. Even though I am Catholic I hadn't understood the 39 articles and am actually rather shocked at the venom contained within them.
They were devised by me men who hated everything about the Catholic Church.
A stretch of Tim 3:16 which if read by any common sense person patently does not declare that is all one needs.
I'll never forget hearing about Gareth Bennett's demise.
Keep praying for Calvin, I'm sure he'll get home in the end ! Mr. Ashenden did !
I was so hoping that you would address this interview because you are uniquely qualified to do so. Thank you for bringing the historical, as well as the theological and ecclesial perspectives which are anything but ‘cosmetic’!
Check for accuracy, especially in the history department, compatibility with Vatican II on Anglicanism, and compare what Gavin said on Apostolicae Curae with the easy to read publication INRALLIBLE FALLACIES (London: S.P.C.K., 1953).
Thank you so much, Doctor Ashenden. This conversation was a brilliant and charitable examination of Calvin Robinson and the paucity of Anglican Protestantism. Calvin Robinson needs to enter the faith and some Bishop needs to reach out to him. God bless and sustain you.
Maybe he knows too much, although he accepts discussion, will he grow in faith?
Henry's distribution of the assets of the monastic houses to his friends probably sealed England's fate because it gave the most powerful people of England a vested interest in supporting Protestantism. The restoration of Catholicism would have put them and the government under enormous pressure to see that those assets were returned.
Yes - King Henry VIII was a master politician. His father, King Henry VII was extremely unpopular, because he was a greedy man who spent most of his reign confiscating property and taxing his subjects up to the limit. His son was, in the early years of his reign, extremely popular, because he reversed this process. Queen Katherine was also extremely popular - while Henry was fighting in France, she led an English army against Scotland, displaying the military prowess inherited from her parents, Ferdinand and Isabella. It could all have ended so much better. All that Henry needed to do was to do what King Henry I had done - persuade the Nobles to agree that his daughter should inherit the Throne on his death. While it did not work for King Henry I (the Nobles repudiated their agreement to accept the Empress Mathilda as their Sovereign) it might well have worked for King Henry VIII.
I'm not condoning Henry's use of Monastic funds for war mongering but we have to remember why the Monasteries were so rich in the first place. Playing on peoples' fears about the after life and garnering monies from indulgences, pilgrimages and relics (most of them dubious) brought in huge wealth. Quite simply, God had had enough. The corruption of Rome was at an unprecedented level and the Reformation was inevitable.
@@clivejames5058 Whereas Henry and those who received the assets of the monasteries were motivated by high ideals? What high ideals? Was it to reform the monasteries? If so, how does closing something down "reform" it? It doesn't. The monasteries were where Henry VIII's most effective opposition came from. He needed to destroy them and he used the pretext of their supposedly uniquely high levels of corruption to do so. He gave Protestant-friendly nobility the assets in order to buy their complicity or at least acquiescence in his designs. Once having been bought-off they needed to support Protestantism and the propaganda he invented to "justify" the asset seizure.
@@clivejames5058the winners write the history but then there is nowadays Eamon Duffy to set the record straight!
Alas, yes.
You appear to be expecting a lot of your audience intellectually in your current crop of lectures, they seemed to be pitched higher than former ones, and you seem to be happier for giving yourself a free reign to express your personal ideas and to range across many fields of knowledge and cite multiple sources.
This is exhilarating to listen to, very challenging in a positive way. Please carry on being emboldened to share your unique point of view with full vigour.
Thank you Veronica 🙏
Agreed.
Agreed too. We don't want dumbed down
Yes, I agree with the rigor.
Nothing wrong with going for a long walk and having to exercise your legs. Nothing wrong with listening to a reasoned argument, and having to stretch your mind.
This is one of your best Gavin. You speak the truth!
That was superb and thank you for it. Calvin appears to be a man of good will but also appears very mixed up as you pointed out. He simply wishes to go his own way rather than submit his intellect and will to the Church. I watched his interview with Taylor Marshall but had to switch off after he made a number of ridiculous assertions. Perhaps he will enter the Church, even though it is led by men who bring shame on it. The Church is still the Church of the Saints and bears the four marks that distinguish it from all others.
Maybe it's comment like this that bring shame on the church.
@@KitiwakeHow?
@@afterlate8866 Calvin made the ridiculous claims about his orders being valid in the Catholic church which is patently untrue yet he projects himself as a godly follower of Christ. To possess valid Orders places oneself squarely as a church member.
Marshall is infamous for his his rabid denunciation of Pope Francis.
If you watch his interview with Calvin recently he reveals how his failed bid to organize a foundation under McCarrick was rejected on the watch of pope Francis.
Unfortunately, Dr. Gavin, whom I and many others admire, allies himself with TM.
So, they are sad reflections on the church.
Marshall is just stating facts, just like many many Priest all over the world who disapprove Pope Francis action. Heck even Ralph Martin has something to say against the Pope on how he is steering it towards confusion. Cure your Taylor Marshall syndrome, its not him, its the Pope.
@@KitiwakeNothing of the sort. Gerardbrady drives home a point well put, and well taken.
Thank you so much, Dr. Ashenden, for this insightful presentation. Calvin Robinson has been a puzzle to many of us in recent times. While I appreciate his clearly fervent Christianity, and his public defense of the faith during the crises of this modern era, I have been concerned that his - how can I call it - liturgical laxity - will in the end cause harm where it didn't need to and weaken his position. We are all evolving as Christians. My prayer is that CR will heed the wisdom you have presented here, make the sacrifice, and embrace the one holy Catholic faith completely.
As always, you speak the truth with love, as scripture says. You have such a gracious spirit in your conversation. Thank you, especially for the exhortation to "pay the price, it's worth it." And also the reminder to defend the Church in these trying times. God bless you and please continue to teach us and encourage us in our faith. To God be the glory. 🙏🏻
Very astute diagnosis of a reprobate construction such as Anglicanism.
I came back into the fold after skipping for 12 years in the angry desert of protest and becoming weary to despair unless I returned to receive Holy Communion this Easter Vigil where i find myself in Common Humanity again and so cheerful again praise Be to the name of the Lord.
We are in a real Culture battle and for sure do we need St Peter's posterity to embolden us against the Holy Ship's dodgy pilots and leaking hull.
May The Holy Spirit enable us to defend against the inner as well as the outer Wolves.
Pax Vobiscum Amen + .
This is excellent! Thank you very much. May God bless you.
Thanks for a wonderful video. While I have much admiration for Mr Robinson's courage in defending traditional values without counting the cost, I do respectfully agree with your conclusions concerning the possible disingenuity of his position as to his relationship and standing with the One True Faith. He is clearly NOT a Catholic but if he continues to falsely argue otherwise, then he will have only succeeded in re-Protestantise himself and create the 450,000th Protestant denomination!
What an excellent explanation of so many key issues. As an American, I learned a great deal and came away deeply impressed by the combination of clarity and charity on Gavin’s part.
Thank you, Sir! Occasionally listening to Calvin, I recognized an interesting evangelist but a flighty bird. So grateful for your gentle but clear insight into his mission.
I often wonder if Fr Calvin doesn't want to convert to Catholicism because he doesn't want to give up his media persona/public ministry. To convert may mean giving up the priesthood.
Yes, it seems likely.
That’s my guess. He also would have to give up having a family.
It is a very fine line between pride and humility.
Converting to Catholicism would not mean he would need to give up his public ministry, and if he became Catholic his Deacon position would remain, and there would be nothing to stop him from continuing into the Catholic priesthood. God bless
@@helenbond8893 You may want to ask Dr. Gavin Ashenden about this very thing.
As a person who has seen this issue and have gone through the stages from being so called Anglo-Catholic to now going on this long and painful journey to Rome through the Ordinariate, I was so blessed to hear this analysis. God bless you.
Just one minor clarification on a point of doctrine. Now, when I was at school, at about the age of seven, I can remember learning from the Catechism [Question] “Is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass a re enactment of the Sacrifice of Calvary?” [Answer] “No, the Sacrifice of the Mass is not a re enactment of the Sacrifice of Calvary. It is the same sacrifice as that of the Cross.” This was part of the Catechism so that Catholics could refute the accusation made by Protestants that Catholics believe that Jesus dies again on the Altar at a Catholic Mass. Jesus does not die on the Altar during the Mass. He died once and for all, as the one perfect sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins, on the Cross. The Mass makes this sacrifice real and present, but it is the same sacrifice as that of the Cross, not a re enactment of the death of Jesus at Calvary. Gavin does not quite make this clear. Sometimes converts are eager to stress, possibly, sometimes, to over stress, the fullness of Catholic truth, but that truth does not extend to an assertion that Jesus dies on the Altar at each and every Mass. It is a fine distinction, I know, however, the Catechism from which I was taught (abolished, of course, as has been so much that was good in the Church) did go to great lengths to ensure that Catholics were aware exactly what the Church did, and did not, teach, as far as the nature of the sacrifice of the Mass is concerned.
I had the same Catechism.
Back when we memorized most of it!
I am not Catholic but always thought it was a "re-presentation" of the original sacrifice of the cross, not Christ dying again each time. That's how the distinction was explained to me anyway.
@@littleboots9800 The Catechism used to state “it is the same sacrifice as that of the Cross” (made real again) but not a re enactment of the sacrifice of Calvary, which was a once and for all sacrifice which is not repeated again at Mass. I suppose that “re presentation” does convey the same meaning as “the same sacrifice as that of the Cross”.
@@Mark3ABE yeah, it's a little unclear, which is not what is desirable in regards to a theological issue of such importance and dispute I suppose.
The priest did impress upon me that it was the same sacrifice that is being presented each time, not a new sacrifice or the same sacrifice being 'repeated' each time.
The catechism always struck me as a very good idea, that could be taught from, memorised, referred to throughout ones life when needed.
@@littleboots9800We need to absolutely bring it back. Catholics are poorly catechized these days.
Shakespeare's 'Macbeth' is, among other things, a brilliant coded commentary on the draconian oppression of Catholics and its inevitable though indefensible reaction in the Gunpowder Plot. For an explanation, see Clare Asquith's book 'Shadowplay'.
Wow, such a gem your channel is!
I have subscribed!
Thank you 🙏
Thank you Dr Gavin for this video🙏 I had already seen the Calvin Marshall video and wondered by Dr Taylor hadn't asked two questions:
- Do you believe in the Real Presence of the Blessed Sacrament? and if so,
- Why aren't you Roman Catholic?
@@royquick-s5n Deliberately describing oneself in a manner that may cause confusion is immoral.
Claiming holy orders in the Catholic church without authority is reprehensible.
I thought that you would have to ask those two questions too.
I was ordained a Catholic priest in the Finnish Malobar Free Presbyterian Nordic Swahili Church of Northern Vermont. We are too Catholics! And you better not say any different! And don't listen to those Southern Vermonters!
So you're in union with the Vatican per the Vatican?
I was ordained into the Priesthood of the East Cheam Old Catholic Church, based at 23 Railway Cuttings, East Cheam by the late Anthony Hancock. Hattie Jacques laid on a first rate tea after the ceremony.
Oriental and Eastern Orthodox churches don’t recognise the authority of the RC pope, so according to Gavin’s logic Orthodox Christians are schismatics and heretics too, yet the RC church allows Orthodox Christian’s to commune and RC mass! Like most in the RC church he’s muddleheaded on this matter. Id like to pin him down in this matter because he seems to be avoiding addressing this matter.
@@user-re2ss3jn8wI think that he’s in union with the Pope of Sarcasm.
I do often wonder how the Episcopal vegans (wandering bishops) in the Thuc and other lines……how do they advertise their services and their ‘stipend’ required for ordination. So as not to commit the sin of simony.
The Roman Catholic parish in our university city joined with all the Protestant groups last year by hanging the Pride flag from the church organ. Only the Anglo Catholic group refused to participate. Guess whose building was defaced.
the best podcaster in youtube. finally a precise speaker
Mary Tudor gets a bad rap, and rightly so, one does not go around burning people with whom one has theological disagreements. However for context Mary had approximately 300 executed, Elizabeth I 600, and their father Henry VIII 37,000 of his fellow countrymen from a population of around 3 million.
If she hadn't died the figure would have been higher.
Religion and politics did mix the Armada was sent to get rid of Elizabeth and return England to the Roman Catholic religion
@@margaretdefrias698 Both Mary and Elizabeth were victims of circumstance beyond their control in many ways, neither having a free hand in affairs of state. The same cannot be said for their father. Tudor propaganda has been mixed with monarchy, law and religious observance ever since.
@margaretdefrias698 Philip of Spain opposed Mary's burnings. And the Armada was sent in large part out of anger at the activities of Sir Francis Drake, who liked to present his Queen with lovely plunder.
@@alicepavey974looks like I need to read more about it any suggestions?
I am a big fan of Robinson, but it is a bit of a shame that he has not fully embraced the Catholic Church. You gave an interesting talk on the history Anglican Church. I have an even greater appreciation of your love for religious Freedom. You even mentioned near the beginning of your talk that there is a cost to becoming Catholic. As a cradle Catholic, I did not have to pay the cost myself. However, my mother paid a somewhat of a price for getting me Baptized, which is why I treasure my religious freedom here in the United States ever since I moved here.
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There is always a cost to being a faithful orthodox Catholic on any level. But in God we trust, we need to embrace our crosses as Jesus did. We all need to be properly catechised, and then so many things become clear.
One admires Calvin’s desire for the priesthood but we can ask does he desires this to serve God or to serve Calvin ? My impression of CR is that he is unlikely to be successful in pastoral work. He can sound impressive but he fails to connect. Also, he seems unlikely to learn anything about himself and to change course when necessary. Gavin is admirably gracious and fair in his assessment. Gavin also mentions in passing the obliteration of centres of prayer, the monasteries and convents, during the English reformation. The removal of these conduits of grace was devastating. Not many see that.
Let’s try not to psycho analyse people we don’t know personally
@@HenryLeslieGrahamVery good point! Thank you!Have subscribed to Your Channel! 🙌
@@HenryLeslieGrahamTo be fair that is an regular handling by Catholic, like Olympic opening sceen i saw more Catholic praying for the forgiveness because they became angry rather than pray for justice to be dealt.
Thank you, this is wonderful! I listened to Taylor's interview with Calvin, he sounded very intellectual and very protestant. He knows better then Jesus. I'm in SC and on my street alone there are 2 house churches, and 2 small churches, one in a trailer.
Good point about the 39 articles and the TLM.
This Lutheran pastor at age 90 is very appreciative of your commentaries over the several years I have listened to you!
I often think on the Catholic Churchs' relationship to those Lutherans who have remained faithful to their principles and remained 'orthodox and faithful' to their Christian tenets. Its wonderfully ironic how close we are now considering we had called for each others blood in that great separation.
🎉There is no such thing as the ," Old Catholic" Church. THEY are wannabe Catholics, unwilling to pay the price. ITS disgusting and no true Catholic should give them the time of day. We need to find out WHO in the Vatican decided it was a good idea to recognize some of their so called Orders and so called Sacraments. ITS a disgrace. IT NEEDS TO BE OVERTURNED.
@@jamesshaw6455yet, Lutherans are not in the Church, and close doesn’t matter except in horseshoes and hand-grenades.
90 and comfortably active on social media..! 👏🏼 God bless you sir. Come home to the RCC. 🙏🏻
Wow, wow, wow. Have never heard these articles before. This explains so much. Thank you!
Sending prayers and love, brother. 🙏
I am a lifelong Catholic who left the Novus Ordo for traditional rite when the bishops ran from the flu and restricted the Sacraments.
I'm middle aged and learning my faith for the first time. This video is VERY good.
I once met Calvin Robinson (in his Afro days), and he was distinctly underwhelming, although very tall!. Maybe he means well. But these days The Church needs more theologists, spirituality, and less do-goodery. The Catholic Church should be a bastion and fortress, and it's priests truly of The Apostolic Succession. People need this, and they WILL come to a fully authentic Catholic Church and not some waterered down ecumenical mish-mash, or Chrislam, or whatever else Francis proposes (may the Holy Spirit help him please). Anglo Catholics seem to have (whatever their personal discernment or sense of vocation) a rather lower level of spiritual development. Maybe it's the secular culture we live in. Although there exists a hunger for traditional practice and that itself may draw those whose understanding is superficial. Many converts not raised in the culture, seem lacking in deep spiritual DNA. And some just love the cosplay!!
Thank you for your excellent research and superb talk. Much more interesting and informative than the Robinson/Marshall interview.
Such an information dense and enlightening talk, so much food for thought here. This English convert to the Roman Catholic Church thanks you so much 🙏🏻 It has been my greatest hope, these past few years, that England will find her way back to true Christianity (which is only Catholic), claim the inheritance that heretics violently stripped from her hundreds of years ago and do her part to restore Christendom whereby His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. 🤍
You gotta to pay the price but the Mass is priceless, amen to that sir.
someone asked in the comments "When did the Catholic Church become a Roman franchise?". To me the response is in 68 AD, when Peter was crucified in Rome.
Brilliant talk, full of truth, and I'm grateful for you posting it. Thank you. God bless and keep you.
Thank you. I learned a lot. ❤
So did I.
What a superb history lesson, Dr Ashenden. Many many thanks. My grandmother, a convert, used to quote the blasphemous fables bit, and call our lovely medieval cathedrals stolen property. Good for her !
Dr Ashenden, Calvin reminds me a bit of myself when younger and discerning whether to go into ministry (initially as a Methodist but then thinking about Anglo-Catholic orders). I paid the price and gave it up to the Lord when I entered into the Ordinariate here in Australia and am happy as a layman in my vocation as a husband and ordinary run of the mill Christian. I have some sympathy for Calvin but I too have the same view as you in the end.
@@royquick-s5n not quite sure what you mean by this. In any case, I am quite content being a layman and living out my vocation as a father, husband and follower of Christ.
@@royquick-s5n I was never confirmed as a Methodist or after I became Anglo-Catholic. Was never a candidate for orders (so I was a layman). So I never tucked away anything of this sort that you are talking about. My baptism was considered valid and I was received and confirmed in the Ordinariate. The only thing I tucked away was my theological positions which up until that point had varied quite a bit (from conservative Evangelical [of both Arminian and Calvinist stripes] to latitudinarian and then conservative Anglo-Catholic).
@@royquick-s5n You may be surprised that that is not the case with the clergy that I associate with in both regular Latin Rite and the Ordinariate. They only “respect” those views in the sense that they are proper to those who aren’t Catholic.
Thank you Dr Gavin! Absolutely outstanding and needed explanation. I heard the entire interview and found myself perplexed many times. Ultimately, I believe you have hit the nail on the head. Fr. Calvin simply does not feel comfortable enough at the time to cross the Tiber (though PF is probably not helping him)...regardless he will need to see Christ and his authority behind the lone One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church He established regardless of the failure of any of its present-day ministers.
Stop calling him father.
@@anthonythomas1504 it seems he has been ordained validly yet illicitly very similar to an ordained Orthidox priest hence you can still call him Father.
"For myself, I found my own most pregnant evidence in the work of the divines of the Anglican Church; their prayer-books and their *articles* ; and in the visible influence which they had ever had upon the high places of the Establishment, in favour of the truths, which I saw to be true. These were the means by which Providence had led me on, from the beginning to the end, to find a present refuge from absolute religious scepticism, and a bulwark against error."
St John Henry Newman, Apologia.
Thank you for this critique and historical explanation!
God bless you.
We ALL have to read and learn who is JESUS CHRIST actually. Not what we think about Him, but WHO is He really and what He demands to us.
Calvin is. now displaying what I felt was true of him, but did not want to be true: I think Calvin is a self promoting person, who uses the name of Christ for his own selfish and egotistical ends. Gives me no joy as a Catholic to say this. Let's pray for Calvin.
As opposed to Marshall?
@@stephenjohnson7915 Apologies, what do you mean?
@@thecrazyenglishman1066 Have you watched or read his stuff from the past few years?
I think he started well but is now being buffeted by all sorts of forces. He needs prayers 🙏
Brilliant! I had a lot of time for Calvin until he went searching for priesthood as a personal goal. He should, like you, Gavin, embrace the true Church as a layman and let the Church discern his vocation. He should, like you have, pay the price.
"letting the Church discern your vocation" sounds great in theory, but the Church has ordained thousands of abusive pedophiles and heretics, and passed over many very devout holy men who would have been a tremendous blessing to the Church.
It takes humility, and we all have to work on that.
A good insight, thanks for explaining. Laudate Dominum.
Please can you post these talks on apple podcast, it would be incredible useful. Many thanks
Yes. Have just set up and posted the Jonathan Pageau conversation. Others, including this, coming shortly . Thank you
This has been a most stimulating start to my morning here in the Southern Antipodes. God Bless, Dr Gavin.
How far South? Invercargill? Dunedin?
I was being inaccurate . It is really that big lump of an Island, AKA Australia.
What a very good article. Carry on doing articles and so forth.
Excellent!
Will Catholics who can. Get to Speakers Corner in London join me to proclaim the Glory of Christ in His One and Holy Catholic, Church, this coming Sunday 16 June. I feel ill equipped for such a task and so ask my Brothers and Sisters in Christ to Join me
They claim it has Catholic roots because they don't understand what Catholic means. According to the whole. You can't be kind of Catholic or have some Catholic aspects. You either are or aren't Catholic. Catholic isn't the garb or the church building or the practices. It's the whole truth. The clothing and building design are all secondary.
The RCC doesn’t own God and the Church is more than a pile of stone with a post code.
@clivejungle6999 No, they don't, but God's word flows pit of the church. Paul's said it was the pillar and foundation of truth.
@@alternativefactory7190 Exactly, which is why Article XIX is so important.
🙏Bless you Gavin I love Calvin and find him confused vulnerable autistic soul looking for a right support and direction- church laws and structure is indeed complex and very complicated I pray for him as his work absolutely essential now💖💖💖✝ hope he’s coming back to GB and continue his conversations here at homeland🙏✨
Dr Scott Hahn, a Catholic theologian and a Christian apologist, who was Protestant Minister who has taken on a Catholic teaching role after becoming a Catholic.
If Calvin joins a jurisdiction that upholds the 39 Articles he can't use the Latin Mass without violating the 24th Article, "It is a thing plainly repugnant to the word of God and the custom of the primitive Church, to have public prayer in the Church, or to minister the sacraments in a tongue not understanded of the people."
Thank you for the great information. God Bless 🙌 it's sad because evil is all around us.
Thank you for describing how Calvin acted as a deacon. I was a bit shocked that he called himself Father before being priested. In my opinion, honesty and integrity means that a person teaches the values and beliefs that are upheld by the institution that employs that person.
As a convert from Protestant ordained ministry, which included a brief dalliance with the ECUSA, I can understand Calvin’ s confusion. In many ways, it was a gift of grace for me to finally understand that simply believing in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, doesn’t mean that Jesus is present in the Eucharist outside of the Catholic mass. You have to accept fully the instrument for the delivery of the Eucharist which God designed, namely the Catholic Church and her priests. The same can be said of holy orders. In time I pray that God will lead Calvin through his own confusion into the light of Christ , which will far outshine his own intellect, and indeed transform it.
Dr. Ashenden, I think that many of your are criticisms are absolutely valid, Fr. C. won't see them yet, I pray that he does.
I have prayed for him to be received into the Church. It would be my hope that perhaps he might pursue priesthood. But that would place him under authority.
I have to wonder if that is the problem he's having in the end
I did like the reference to Eamon Duffy. It was like hearing about an old friend. He helped me understand the revolutionary nature of the Reformation in England.
One would think joining the Catholic Ordinariate would be Calvin's answer. But Calvin's experience of the Ordinariate in England convinced him that he would be persona non grata, unable to preach about, for example, the sanctity of marriage etc. He experienced a weak hierarchy who threw him under the bus at the unfounded and ridiculous complaint from a practicing homosexual choir member. Would you, if you were he and found yourself speaking up for the faith alone (no Catholic bishop or priest was willing to side him) like he did at his famous Oxford Union speech, would you vow obedience to soft confused lefties who will cancel you?
Every baptised Catholic has an essential dignity, as a member of “a holy nation, a royal priesthood, a people set apart”. This concept of a “universal priesthood” is, of course, entirely different from the concept as understood by Protestants. While only those validly ordained to the Presbyterate have the fullness of the Priesthood, nevertheless, every baptised Catholic does share in the Priesthood of Christ. For example, in cases of necessity, any baptised Catholic who is in a state of grace may administer the sacrament of Baptism - possibly the most important of the sacraments, since it makes the recipient a new creation and admits him to the Catholic Church and to salvation. To go even further, administered at the point of death, with the recipient having the right intention, it means the difference between eternal damnation in Hell and eternal joy in Heaven. Today, we have a number of Catholic lay people who exercise a very valuable teaching ministry within the Church. I won’t name those I particularly admire, because a list of some might exclude others equally valuable to the Church. They lecture (or have lectured) at Catholic universities and have a wide public platform. Of course, Gavin is amongst their number. He does not refer to himself as a Priest, since he has not been ordained into the Presbyterate of the Catholic Church and it would be misleading for him to use this title, even though he did have this title, as well as that of Bishop, in the Church of England. Is Gavin’s ministry any less effective just because he serves the Church as part of the universal priesthood of all baptised Catholics (as properly understood in the Catholic Church)? In my view, no. If he were ordained into the Presbyterate he would immediately become subject to a Diocesan Bishop, who would be free to impose whatever restrictions he wished on Gavin, even to the point of insisting that he remain completely silent on the current issues affecting the Catholic Church. One of the accepted charisms within the Church, as listed by St. Paul, is that of “Teacher”. That is the charism which Gavin is currently exercising in the Catholic Church.
True.
Anyone can baptise in a situation of necessity and it be valid, even a non Catholic or even an atheist/agnostic.
I am a big fan of Calvin Robinson's. We need his sharp intellect in the Catholic Church. I pray every day he'll find his way to the Church. In the meantime, I very much enjoy listening to him when I have the chance.
We don't need a rebellious anglican in the Holy Church.
Thank you for that, I was struck by the historical background and the depth of explanation. I went to bed last night with thoughts of the great example of intellectual integrity based in truth. I can take some lesson from this in my own efforts.
A friend shared this with me and it is absolutely fabulous! I have not watched much of Calvin, but I suspect he has fallen victim to the same thing that strikes many spiritual leaders. Pride. I used to watch Taylor Marshall (who notably helped start the Troops of St George in response to the issues w the Boy Scouts of America), but it appears once there was a fawning audience and a monetary stream the tone switched to the dramatic and controversial. When Calvin decides to follow God's will instead of his own, he may step down from the fence he chooses to sit on.
SO very interesting. What a profound lesson about the inability to escape the consequences of past actions. And I am very grateful to now understand exactly why there is no such thing as an Anglican priest.
45:59 It's a perfectly valid and Catholic position, that an office holder, even if he be Pope, would lose office immediatly on starting to preach heresy.
This was not defined in the Vatican Council, but it stands in the minutiae of the council proceedings.
What we are dealing with here, is a problem for the entire Church (including the Orthodox part). We are dealing with 'CHURCHIANITY'; which is not the same thing as following Jesus of Nazareth in his teachings and his actions. The Eucharist is instituted toward the end of Jesus' life; and well after his care for the poor and damaged. Notice the appeal, here, to institutional authority: even grounding that authority in God, himself. Richard Holloway, in his autobiography, 'LEAVING ALEXANDRIA', scrutinises the Anglo-Catholic tradition (to which he belonged), and notices two flaws: one nostalgic (hinted-at in what you say here, Gavin); but then he continues "If reaching into the past to ransack its wardrobe and props was relatively harmless, the second flaw in the Anglo-Catholic movement was more serious. This was its lack of interest in the future as a source of new inspiration, and an absolute refusal to believe any good could come from it" (p 234). I think Richard Holloway could have included the 'present' here, not merely the 'future': and this is a flaw which could be aimed at the entire Church. It is as though "the mighty works of God" ceased with the designation of some ancient texts as 'scripture'. Of course, the irony is that Holloway concludes that God is, indeed, absent: to the loss of his own faith. With regard to the Articles of the Church of England, remember the religious ferment in which they were forged. Remember the quality of 'Catholicism' against which Luther, Zwingli and Calvin were arguing: as well as the 'quality' of their Protestantism. Both bore more resemblance to the way in which Islam has always been practised, than to a faith derived from that young male Jew, two thousand years ago. And the cause of this collossal mis-step on the part of the entire Church? Why.....worship of texts, rather than the God they are intending to help toreveal. We forgot, "the Sabbath is made for man: not man for the Sabbath."
I must say I don't quite understand the problem: there are two clubs, the Church and the Anglican church. Everybody is free to choose, but choose they must.
I am not a catholic but just in the first 15 minutes you have made strong assertions about the Protestants draconian and anti catholic policies (calling them clearly demonic) while simultaneously excusing and the murder of Protestant priests and destroying of their churches by catholic monarchs as unfortunate desperate overreach ( I figured the same demonic forces burning through one side to destroy and murder was equally applicable to the other side for doing the same thing). But truthfully nothing about this is more than you shouldn’t use this term to describe what you believe because I think you’re wrong and the church that I belong said so. For all the mention of chair of St.Peter the current pope sure sounds a lot like Archbishop Justin Welby. So maybe take out the log out of your own eye before taking spec out of another’s eye sounds applicable here.
Gavin, thank you so much for this fabulous talk. Extremely insightful and informative. I’ve enjoyed it very much. God bless 🙏
Dr. Ashenden, Dr. Marshall Marshall confused me when he called Rev. Robinson "Father." Then Rev. Robinson said he celebrated sacramentally valid liturgies. But Pope Leo XIII taught that Anglican clergy weren't sacramental priests. What about Anglo-Catholic clergy?
Though I'd hate offend anyone, I can't say Anglican clergymen are priests when Pope Leo assures us they aren't. I can't even call general Christianity "the faith" when I believe Christ founded only Catholicism and the Catholic Church. Sanctifying grace, baptism of blood, baptism of desire, and some others things can connect a non-Catholic to the Catholic Church. But I think Catholics are its only members.
Non-Catholics can say the believe in one, holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church by making that phrase denote all Christians. Rev. Robinson told Dr. Marshall that he, Robinson, may believe the Protestant branch theory. If I understand that theory, its fans think the one, holy, Catholic Church includes Cattholics, Anglicans, and the Eastern Orthodox faithful.
I agree with you.
They recite our Creed, claiming belief in the Communion of Saints, but these 'Anglo Catholics' don't even believe in Purgatory, and they have no idea what the Communion of Saints is!
@@alhilford2345 A UA-cam commenter told me the Catholic Church hasn't taught that Purgatory is painful. That makes me wonder why Fr. Shouppe describes a holy soul who appeared to a friend to beg him for a Mass because the soul was in agony. He, the soul, thought he suffered there for months or years. The soul's friend assured him that he would celebrate the Mass and said the departed man's corpse was still warm.
Now you know partly why I believe today's religiously indifferent ecumenism is immoral. It may at least make people spend years in Purgatory or even lead them to Hell. For me, that ecumenism is the most pernicious novelty from Vatican II.
Fr. Calvin was actually ordained a priest in one of the member churches of the Union of Scranton (the conservative way of the Old Catholics), whose Sacraments and Orders are considered valid but not licit.
This means that he is in fact validly ordained. He really is Father Calvin.
However, as much as I truly do appreciate Father Calvin and his ministry, I think it is a very legitimate criticism to point out that he essentially shopped around for a Church that would ordain him that would have valid Orders, not only so that he could say he had them, but one that would apparently allow him to carry on public ministry as he pleased with very little apparent oversight, at least that's how it appears.
When I was in clerical formation for the diaconate, it was repeatedly emphasized to us that there is no such thing as a "lone ranger" among the Catholic clergy, and if someone did happen to attain a status like that, it would not last for very long.
The appearance that father Calvin is giving is that he wants to call himself Catholic and say he has a valid orders without submitting himself to the Pope's authority, or to direct Episcopal authority.
But being a cleric is partly about obedience, obedience to God, but also obedience to one's superiors.
@@DavidOatney I agree with you, but I don't think the Old Catholics are Catholic. Although the Eastern Orthodox sects have ministerial priests and valid sacraments, they're non-Catholic. But their names still include the the word "Catholic" when they're schismatic and heretical. In my option, to be Catholic people must belong the the worldwide Church the Pope governs. For me, it is Christ's Mystical Body. Protestant sects are manmade and the Eastern Orthodox left the Church in about 1054.
I don't agree with Unitatis Redintegratio 's idea that the Holy Ghost uses denominations to get people to heaven. Why don't I agree? Because Pope Pius XII contradicts it in Satis Cognitum. Yes, I mean to say "contradicts."
Here's what UR tells me.
"The brethren divided from us also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation.
It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church."
www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html
Now please read a passage from Satis cognitum.
"The Church of Christ, therefore, is one and the same for ever; those who leave it depart from the will and command of Christ, the Lord - leaving the path of salvation they enter on that of perdition. "Whosoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress. He has cut himself off from the promises of the Church, and he who leaves the Church of Christ cannot arrive at the rewards of Christ....He who observes not this unity observes not the law of God, holds not the faith of the Father and the Son, clings not to life and salvation" (S. Cyprianus, De Cath. Eccl. Unitate, n. 6)."
www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum.html
We can talk about the hermeneutic od continuity, bur if I understand these passages, there's obvious discontinuity.
@@DavidOatney being one’s own authority is a Protestant perk that many struggle to relinquish.
I am very envious of Calvin Robinson. He can ignore the heterodox, or sometimes, I am bound to say, outright heretical statements which emanate from the Holy Father these days and simply continue to hold and teach the holy catholic faith, which comes to us from the Apostles. What do the team making up “Catholic Unscripted” spend most of their time doing? Identifying and speaking out against the efforts continuously being made by His Holiness to undermine, or I might almost say, destroy the Catholic Faith. Yet, Gavin condemns Calvin for declining to submit himself to the authority and jurisdiction of such a man. Gavin himself is excluded from the ordained ministry - he would only be ordained on condition that he ceases to point out the errors emanating from the Holy Father. So, while Gavin might condemn Calvin for claiming to be a Catholic Priest, at least, whether only as a priest with a small “p” as part of the universal priesthood of all believers, Calvin is free to preach the one holy catholic and apostolic faith free from error and outright heresy, whereas Gavin is obliged to submit to the “magisterium” of our present Holy Father. Well, one might argue, what about the Eucharist? The valid Eucharist is confined only to the Latin Rite of the Western Church. That is not, of course, the case. The Latin Rite does recognise the full validity of the Eucharist in the Eastern Orthodox Churches as well, of course as in the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches. The threat from Rome “submit to our errors or be deprived of a valid Eucharist” does not hold good.
We are not Roman Catholics which is contradictory as it describes something which is both universal while being local. I was taught that this was introduced by Anglicans to further their claim that there were other kinds of Catholics, including themselves. As a pupil in a Catholic primary school in the fifties, I was taught that the CofE along with other protestant 'churches' were evil even if their members were merely dupes.
I was training to be an Anglican priest and I am now a Catholic Marist, working towards a phd in Theology. I can assure you that what you were taught is not something the Catholic church would accept, and if a Catholic priest was to cite any of what you say you were taught they would be repromanded quite servearly. God bless
@@helenbond8893 I am well aware that the priests today would not teach what I was taught. We were also taught all about the fires of hell at 7 years of age, most of today's priests daren't mention hell to adults. The fact that priests don't mention some truths doesn't make them untrue. The priests, nuns and lay teachers of my infancy were not lying to us, they wanted to save us. I think they probably succeeded in saving more souls than the mealy mouthed instructors of today.
@@steved7961 Unfortunatley there was a time when nuns in schools particularly taught what they thought would possibly frighten someone into church rather than what was Biblical. What you mentioned being taught would be and always has actually been very much against the churchs teachings, Im sorry that you were exposed to that. Many blessing to you
@@helenbond8893I don’t think you are correct in your assertions. Any institution that keeps people from Christs Body (His Church) is Evil. The Church of England fits that bill historically and in the present day.
@@helenbond8893 Against what teachings? The children at Fatima were actually shown hell by Our Lady Herself. Perhaps the next time you pray to Her you can correct her!
Excellent summary of Dr. Marshall's interview. The Synodal Modernist Church mirrors the errors and rise of the Anglican church in my opinion. In the same way the Mass of the Ages is being suppressed, although a lot less bloddy.
Think Calvin is very good. I deliberated for 8 years on becoming a Catholic. I am now very, very old and i have never regretted my decision
Gavin.....Book The stripping of the Alters by Eamon Duffy Absolutely brilliant a thousand yrs of Marian England to the destruction of a religion that the English people loved.
It is sometimes interesting to speculate. Let us suppose that I was born in about 600 and lived in Constantinople. As far as I would be concerned, the Emperor would be responsible for the overall temporal good of the Church and the Patriarch would be responsible for pastoral care. If a dispute about a point of doctrine were to arise, I should expect the Emperor to call an Ecumenical Council and for him to summon all of the Bishops from all over the world to attend the Council. The Bishop of Rome would attend, either in person, or by a representative. At the end of the Council, it would report to the Emperor who would accept its report. Then, in the exercise of his Petrine Ministry of “confirming the brethren in the Faith” the Bishop of Rome would give his formal approval to the dogmatic definitions of the Council. So, at that time, I would, of course, be a genuine catholic, orthodox Christian, but the Bishop of Rome would not be involved in any way in the oversight and management of the Church to which I belonged. We have those who say that “outside the Church there is no salvation” and insist that this means being a member of a Church under the direct, day to day, administrative supervision of the Bishop of Rome. However, as a Christian living in Constantinople in 600 AD, this option would not have been available to me. I would have understood the Church as consisting of the Bishops, the Emperor and, in terms of day to day administrative responsibility, the Patriarch. So, the question arises “was I saved?”. Was I part of the Church, outside of which there is no salvation?
Very interesting and this overview joins a few dots for me. I will continue to pray for him as my brother in Christ. I pray he will find the fullness of the faith that he is obviously searching for…
Thank you Gavin...We are being chastised but God calls forth Saints and great Theologians to guide us.
as always education from a beautifully enlightened former lost soul who came home after by the grace of God saw the light and now shines it bright graciously
Our “separated brethren” are not “lost souls” - Lumen Gentium makes this quite clear.
I understand there are roughly 12,000 perishes in England but the average Parrish has but two children. Very sad indeed.
“Perishes”? Well, a Freudian slip, I expect - since most of the Parishes are, as you say, in fact, perishing!
I was a priest in training in the Anglican church, I am now a Catholic Marist. I can assure you that those numbers are not even remotley acurate. in each parish there is usually around 100,000 residents (entire population, including Catholics, Muslims, athiests and everyone else). There would then be an average of 2 - 3 Anglican churches within each parish. Church attendance varies greatly between city centre churches, and rural churches. The avereage church attendance on a Sunday morning would be around 45 people, with an average of 6 children. However, in many Anglican churches that are in more built up areas it is not uncommon to have a congregation of around 200 on a Sunday morning. While the church I used to attend averages 600 people on a sunday morning with an average of 48 children in attendance. Hope this helps, many blessings to you x
Are we talking Catholic parishes?
@@alhilford2345 My comment was in regard to Anglican parish
Even some of the close friends of the King managed to find themselves the victims of the so called reformation.
In those days there victims on both sides of the Reformation and what some books call the Counter Reformation.
I didn't see Taylor's interview with the young man, but it sounds like he is simply immature and believes what he wants to believe.
😂 I was very confused for the first 30 minutes until I realized he wasn’t referring to Calvin as in Calvinism.
Superbly presented, Dr. Ashenden. Dovetailing in with your view, I wrote the following comment to the talk between Marshall and Robinson a few days ago:
Taylor did a pretty good job pointing out some of the flaws in CR's rationalization for staying out of the one true Church, but I would have liked to see him make it clear to CR that to the extent he (CR) can show that some papal authority is an abuse of development or over the top, etc., he can fight for a reduction of same within the Roman Church. Staying outside of Christ's one true Church and settling on an incomplete connection to Rome because of some papal personal deficits and other things not liked by CR is just stubborn arrogance. It must also be emphasized over and over again that Jesus Himself purposely singled out Peter for a special role that CR does not want to accept because it took some time for it to unfold, but it was always there. Alas, CR repeats the bogus claim that Peter is merely the first among equals, but that makes Christ's actions and the manner in which He gave him alone the keys to Heaven and nobody else basically ceremonial with no substance.
Bottom line: CR is a very good man, but he still wants to dictate to Jesus how he will serve him instead of humbly accepting the reality that one is not a full member of Jesus' Church unless he or she is united to Rome.
Rome isn't a church, it is a sect, having abandoned Christianity for idolatry.
Blah, blah, blah…
The rift between Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism is a very sad, tragic thing. Healing that wound is gonna take some time. I don't think the "Extra ecclesia" condemnation applies to Anglicans, because there's at least an effort (on both sides) to fix things. Unfortunately, the solution probably can't be as simple and direct as Anglican priests converting en masse
@@navarrenavarre ?
@@WayneDrake-uk1gg Rome has left the Christian Church, that is where the rift has taken place. The CoE is barely still a Christian church, having largely rejected the authority of Scripture.
Just as Christ warned He would do to churches in Revelation 2 & 3, Rome has lost its lampstand.
A “catholic” is a member of Christ’s church. Such a man has true belief in Christ and is saved. He may be found in a Roman church, an Eastern church, an Anglican church, a Lutheran church, etc. These are the believers saved by Christ’s Paschal Sacrifice and written into the God’s Book of Life.
You mean a “Roman” or “Roman Catholic”. While Rome does try to claim the word “catholic”, this ignores the fact that the East also claims this title. They are after all, the Orthodox Catholic Church and have been since the Great Schism in 1054. As such, Rome too must qualify it’s use of “catholic”.
With this knowledge, it should also be no surprise that Calvin Robinson, ordained into the Nordic Catholic Church, would also not only use the term “catholic”, but also qualifies it.
This is the same reason most confessing Evangelicals (Lutherans, not the radical reformers who stole the term) will also tell you they are the historical continuation of the Medieval Catholic Church cleansed by the Gospel.
No, Rome doesn’t have exclusive right to the use of “catholic”. It does, however, have the exclusive right to the use of “Roman Catholic”.
On listening to this (as I am sure he will) Calvin Robinson is likely to reply to Gavin “Almost thou dost convince me to become a Catholic” to which Gavin would, I expect reply “I wish that you were in all respects just as I am - save for these chains.” [By “these chains” of course, he means the rather “puzzling” statements emanating from the Pope and the Vatican these days.]
Who is better? Calvin or your local gay Catholic priest? Father James Martin? Calvin could of gone very, very far in the CofE if he had just played the game. But he chose God. That is a lot braver than many, many 'faithful' people who call themselves Catholic but then try to bring in affirming theology into the Catholic Church.
The One World Religion will be irrational. Words will be used merely to justify and rationalize, not to discover the truth.
Thank you for confirming that the Roman Catholic church is not the church for me.
I felt the same way at Alcoholics Annoymous!
The apostles weren't perfect either. Jesus chose them and Judas still betrayed. Jesus still the Chief Shepherd. Gates of hell won't prevail.
Not sure if we are thinking of the same Steve Ray but the American Steve Ray I know of was a baptist but has long ago become a Roman Catholic.
Some Anglo-Catholic priests were accepted into the Roman Catholic church when the Anglican Church allowed women to be priests, they some are among us.
Hi Gavin, your commentary is always thoughtful, though at times it might benefit from a stronger dose of charity. Since this video publicly rebukes expressed views, I wonder how it avoids the sin of detraction and upholds the virtues of charity and justice, concerning Calvin, our Holy Father and even St John Henry Newman. If this critique leads Calvin to turn away from the one true fold of the Redeemer, how might that affect you?