15:19 Just one correction, Wyman Manderly did not break guest right, he made sure to give the Freys three horses as "guest gift" which means from that moment on the Freys were not protected by the guest right anymore.
Bolton: The bloodline has been full of psychopathy for millennia but for some reason was never straight up ended Frey: Honestly it wasn't until Walder Frey that they became House Hate Sink
The Freys are my favourite House of the Riverlands, they are self made Lords that crawled their way to the top while everyone mocked them, but then Walder had to ruin everything
The funniest part is that Everyone who hates House Frey for the Red Wedding all fall in love with Tywin Lannister and praise him as a great person even though he orchestrated it.
“Do you deny it?” Wyman Manderly bit a sausage in half. “I confess…” He wiped grease from his lips. “…I confess that I know little of this poor boy. How old was the lad?” “Nine.” “So young. Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey.” Best quote involving a Frey 😅
I like how people were mad at the Frey’s for building a bridge and charging people to use it. That bridge had to of helped trade and they did build it on their own.
14:20 “It remains unclear if they will hold a grudge for this in the long run.” I mean, just look at how forgiving they are with Robb Stark marrying Jeyne Westerling.
Everyone seethed at House Frey demanding tolls for passage would've done the same if they had the foresight to build a bridge fortress first. It was a shame that Walder eas the one to have the same lust as Bobby B, spreading his foul seed all over the place. At least the daughters seem to have a good streak.
I always find it a little offputting though when there are these fictional medievil worlds that somehow have thousands of years of history without seeming to have progressed at all technologically. In the real world the 'medieval' period was only a couple hundreds years give or take before we had cannons and basic firearms. How has Westeros existed without any kinds of advancements at all for thousands of years, fantasy or no.
@@justarandomcommenter570 To give some reference, House Stark alone has been in charge of the north for eight thousand years(Note, not in existence, just being the rulers of the north), that is as long as the Neolithic period and bronze age *combined*. I think its more just GRRM either feeding into abit of the fantasy aspect of the world, since most fantasy worlds have crazy times, or just not fully realizing quite how long thousands of years are lol
6:38 Minor slight? I would say there is a huge difference between being denied something you never were promised or had a shot at and completing your side of a deal and the other side not following through.
This was so clever and well done and really helps me with my reread! I'm starting ASoS so it's good to get such a good breakdown of the Freys. Also this is random, but you finally FINALLY reminded me of what the Freys remind me of - old fairytales about bridge trolls. Like, Three Billy Goats Gruff type stuff, lol
Walder Frey could have become lord of the crossing before the reign of Jaehaerys II since it is far from certain every king has visited the Twins in their reign. He could have inherited as early as the reign of Aerys I for all we know.
LMAO!! "After Rob Stark remembers he's a teenage boy and sleeps with Jane Westerly, he marries her to preserve her honor." OP. You are awesome at making videos!!
I should be writing a 10-page history essay right now. Instead I'm binge-watching a fun new ASOIAF channel. I wonder if my professor would accept an essay about the fantastical history of a certain house Frey... I mean, the whole story of asoiaf is essentially the war of roses, so it's basically history, right?? Jokes aside, great video and interesting topic. So many asoiaf channels focus on the histories of Targaryens and Starks (which are also fun ofc!) so it's refreshing to hear about other houses too, especially a house that doesn't get much love from the fandom.
Just put my channel in your footnotes, you'll get full marks I promise 😂 As a historian myself, I definitely wanna do some videos comparing asoiaf to real history at some point. And lots of people have been asking for me to cover minor Houses too! Too many ideas... 🤔
@@fantasyhaven1 a fellow history enthusiast, ooh wee! Both of those ideas sound fun. A thought: I like how in the "where -was Gondor when Westfold fell- were the Velaryons/Hightowers during X" videos you approached the family history through a certain event. That could work for other houses too: take a few houses and tell their POVs of the different historical events in Westeros. And maybe even sprinkle some Real World Hard History Facts in there as well, somehow. Whatever you do, please keep those silly characters/drawings/things😄
Actually, Wyman didn't break guest right, because he gave them a guest gift. Which means the Freys were no longer guests. That's if he even baked them into pies, it's actually a good chance that the Brotherhood Without Banners got them, if you ask me.
0:57 off the top of my head, a few houses younger than the Freys: House Slynt House Clegane House Seaworth House Baratheon House Harroway House Towers Granted some of those are extinct but the point is that the Freys don’t even come close to being the youngest
New sub here! I love not only how you break things down so easily (because ASOIAF) has just soooo much info and your humor is badass I love it!!! Super excited to hear more videos on the westeros world!
Manderly never broke Guest Right. He gave them the Guest Gifts on the Freys departure which cleared the Manderly's of breaking Guest Right. I do wish the books would dive a bit more into that "loophole", for lack of a better word for it.
Love them or hate them, they undeniably have one of the cooler castles in Westeros, together with the Hightowers. Like, who else lives in a fookin bridge (aside from modern hobos)?!
New subscriber! I enjoy what I'm seeing so far :) I will definitely watch more of your ASOIAF videos. Thank you for the content & good luck on your channel
I can't wait to root for House Frey in the Storming of Stone Hedge and the Fish Feed!! Also I really hope they actually depict the Frey's influence on the war and that Forrest Frey is a named character who actually gets his proper send off.
Yeah.. wish HOTD would feature Forrest Frey in the next season so to kinda redeem the House's reputation especially to TV viewers. That not every Frey is as bad as Walder.
Cool video dude, I like the animations you put throught the video Would you be interested in talking about Euron or the Bolt-On tinfoil next? It'd be pretty interesting to see a Cthulhu-like Euron or an Other/Vampire-y Roose in your style. I just really like those two concepts being talked about in particular I guess lol Thanks for the entertaining content!
Thanks! And yeah, I'm planning on organising a new schedule that involves talking about a House, a Theory, and something related to HOTD every month. I talked a little bit about Euron on my Hightower video
Probably. Although maybe he didn't host ALL of the Kings - in which case the earliest possible King Walder Frey could have become Lord under was Aerys I, when he was a child
The map of westeros ( well the south ,) is Ireland upside down , and my city Cork is roughly where " the twins" is , The city emblem is 2 towers with a water gate between them ( and a ship but ) Not a million miles from the Frey emblem though ..
@@cba2make1up No he means the south. Casterly Rock and Lannisport correspond with Dublin, Oldtown is roughly around the Belfast area, the Vale is the Munster area and the Stormlands are Connaught. It's the Vale and the Stormlands which are the most obvious to me. The North is modelled extremely roughly off of Great Britain with Bear Island being the Isle of Mann while the Neck has the rough shape of Cornwall and the south coast, the Wall and the Night's Watch match up with Hadrian's Wall on the English-Scottish border.
I love your style of videos! It makes something as complicated as the books easily understandable for someone as slow as me. Much appreciated, I noticed that you uploaded your first video only 5 month's ago, do you have a email for business inquiries?
House Frey isn't that bad. They're like most other families, some are good, some are bad. Walder Frey's son and heir seemed like a really decent guy, unfortunately he died.
If there words do turn out to be "Stand Together" then that is a delicious irony given Walders brood are the biggest bunch of scheming backstabbers south of the Dreadfort!
2:22 Long Live Emperor Howland! Emperor of the Crannog Empire! Lord of All Mud, Warden of Frogs! King of the Neck, the Crossing, and Cape Kraken! Protector of the Swamps, the Bogs, and the Marshes!
Wasn't the Riverlands one independent kingdom only once? Seems it has been mostly petty kingdoms for most of its history. Did the Freys only came about during that time? There were no mentions of them being kings at some point in their history, unlike the Tullys and other houses like Brakens ane Blackwoods.
I love House Frey's lore. But there is one point I just seriously think needs changing. Them being the youngest house of westeros despite having been founded 600 years ago and fought through so many internal conflicts. Now don't get me wrong. I am 100% in favor of them being TREATED like new nobility and glorified tax collectors. But not BEING it. Why? Well because 600 years is a lot of time and internal conflicts are usually when most nobiliary houses are founded. Generally speaking low nobles, burgeoisie and men at arms tend to wind up promoted to high nobility when a segment of that previous high nobility was on the loosing side of a war to decide the new liege. That's not to say every civil war ends in a purge. Many don't. And most of the loosers likely would still wind up ok either by peace treaty or simply turning coat before the fight gets tough. But there tends to be a reshufling of the more problematic or unfortunate houses for some more loyal blood. Taking into account the way the Targaryen took over. I'm fairly sure they would have wound up forming quite a few major houses in those 600 years. Certainly larger than mere lords like the Frey. Counts at the very least. BUT. "New nobility" was more about ideology than actual right. As a european that actually paid attention in history class and learned a bit of my own I can find multiple examples, but I dare say the most comparable to House Frey would be the Red Dukes, the family of Medina-Sidonia. So excuse my quick history class. The first duke of Medina Sidonia earned his title by military right, having led the war effort against part of the Serranía de Cádiz and been extremely successful, way more than the other pretenders to the title and way, way more than expected. Before him the house was fairly small, being only minor nobility. They were part of the "Segura", basque men at arms turned lower nobility by military right as part of the Castillian army during the reconquista. And in their case while they had earned their own name, they would keep these roots quite clear, labeling the castles made by the house with 1 or 2 segurs at the side of the gates. (The Segura were known by that name due to the use of the Segur, a particular type of hatchet, as a sort of "badge of office" for men at arms of the basque and inner aragonese regions. The nobiliary house comes from the Castillian-Conquered "Basque Country" as said men at arms would be a very significant part of the Castillian army. And known for their prowess.) This was already a bit of an issue. While being proud of military might was no problem for nobles at the time. Being proud of coming from lowborn men at arms that rose through the ranks through it, and proud enough to openly display it despite having been given a nobiliary title, was a very easy way to earn a place at the top of the old nobility's "shit" list. But that was far, FAR from the last slight, the house of Medina-Sidonia would EARN their place as the old nobility's most hated rivals through great effort. So much so that even this first duke had multiple assassination attempts done of him, one of which was traced back to the very king that had made him a duke. They REALLY pissed people off. You see. Once you became a duke you had the right to knight people into lower nobility. This would be used for politics hence why Spain would come to have a knightly class so bloated than the territory of asturias would erect the right to universal hidalguia and declare even the servants born there would be knighted at birth. This isn't an exageration or joke it was that problematic. But that rarely mattered because if there's one thing Spain wasn't lacking was conflict to throw these "lower nobles" at. Be it as conquistadors, crusaders, mercenaries, fighting on the many external wars, or just fighting on the many, many, MANY internal ones Spain went through... Seriously when Charles the 1st and Vth took the throne he fought 2 simultaneous civil wars and his reign is still considered relatively peaceful internally compared with the rest of the empire. Spain regularly set itself on fire back then. Point is. This right would still have... "faux pass" of sorts. Generally speaking, knighting men at arms from branches of old lineages that hadn't proved themselves yet was considered very good by the old nobility. Knighting cargadores (sea merchants) for their prowess as burgeoisie was a good way to earn enemies. Knighting ex-bandits turned "voluntarios" (irregular infantry) and members of the Santa Hermandad (a peasant's militia turned police force) was the easiest way to have the rest of the nobility literally try to get you killed. And now you know one of the reasons why the assassination attempts happened. But why? Why would they do this? Well, 2 reasons. First, they ideologically had a lot of enemies from the start. This will matter a lot more later. So they guessed knightly houses that were seen that badly would be more loyal to them, whereas knightly houses from ancient men at arm lineages had a high probability of wondering if taking on their lieges might make them dukes. The second reason is the serrania itself. The land they were given was extremely mountainous and having been war torn for a very long period of time as it was the border between christians and muslims, criminality back then was through the roof. And back then the best way to kill criminals was to hire criminals as voluntarios, plus spain had a lot of history of hiring bandits as light infantry. Even some "old houses" that hated Medina-Sidonia like the Golfines started that way. In a way high crime hard to scout areas like the serrania didn't fight crime as much as pick favourites. So that's what they did. On top of this while the Marquis of Cádiz, the house on top of Medina-Sidonia, was generally not that problematic, they were firmly burgeoisie-aligned liberals and mostly didn't get into issued because they were so hands off. Being a very urban house that for the most part didn't care what the dukes under them did so long as they didn't cause too much issues so they could focus on keeping trade with america going, and every once in a while funding tech advances pretty hard. So while the Marquis themselves didn't cause issues, being under them was already a stain on your legacy, being under them and even more problematic was political hell. But this is far from where our tale ends as then the war of succession comes. And here real life and GoT come together beautifully. While Medina-Sidonia weren't tax collectors for a river pass, they were so for a MOUNTAIN pass, and between their need for more policing and their extreme allegiance to the Misioneros who they funded, they were known for being particularly voracious collectors and corrupt to boot. Having the propaganda of the old nobility against them likely didn't help their image. But still the war of succession was roughly fought on medieval non-political terms with allegiance coming more out of power dynamics. Which explains why the Marquis took the side of the French, despite being liberals. While Medina-Sidonia fought for the side of the Austrians. Medina-Sidonia lost but much like Frey, not much came of it. However, when the Bourbons took charge the Marquis would come to lament having won that war. As back then france was far more centralized and totalitarian than Spain, and while the Bourbon candidate had promised to keep Spain's political system, he didn't get the throne and the one who did immediately went on to try to impose their political system, known in Spain as Ultra-Absolutism. Actively fighting both the Social-Catholics like Medina Sidonia and the Liberals like the Marquis. This is what kickstarts the period of far more political and intense internal struggles in Spain. And this pushed the social-catholics like medina sidona to being firmly liberal allied, specially since the Bourbons tried to ban the Jesuits and other missionary orgs. Which is why even nowadays many jesuit branches have gone so far left they even became the main drivers of many marxist movements. This is why the house of Medina-Sidonia came to be known as the Red Dukes. As they went full left wing, and even allied with the republicans, for which they would spend Franco's tenure in exile. Still, the current Duchess is to this day a fairly political figure and having recovered some of her wealth after the transition to democracy she's been funding some fairly important social programs. But my point for this very long rant is, even to this day the current Red Duchess is treated as "new nobility", as an upstart that shouldn't be counted amongst the REAL "grandes"... despite her house being centuries older than many of those criticizing them for it. And having earned that title for far more honorable ways. So I can totally see why the Frey would be TREATED that way. But I can't believe they genuinely ARE the youngest house in westeros. Way too much has happened in those 600 years for them to still be the latest to rise to that stature.
Currently I think the Frey’s currently also might have succession issues given how many heirs Walder has. When Walder dies expect some of those branches to start killing each other. Why? Stevron’s line might go kaput.
Usually I dont subscribe to people before seeing a couple of videos that I like. It's been a long time since I smashed that subscribe button on the first video lol
Only 600 years? How utterly nouveau riche. They might put on airs and graces, but everybody knows their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was a common fisherman. All fur coats and no knickers, I tell you.
4:54 There are better options of course, but I think it's worth mentioning that it's specified that the Frey was a younger son. The same thing happened with Genna. It's specified that it's the second son. I think George does that for a reason. There's snobbery when it comes to the Freys, but I do think it's exaggerated. Walder Frey complains about the Hoster refusing to marry Edmure off to one of his girls, but Hoster did try to arrange a marriage between his brother and one of the Freys. He wasn't against the idea of it. Compare that to Littlefinger, who was tossed out of Riverrun for trying to get with a Tully.
Many people hate Walder Frey. Personally, I'm impressed by his fecundity, his great age, and his wroth (Rob had it coming). Say what you will, but the man secured his genetic lineage like few before him.
@15:04 Important distinction: Wyman BETROTHS 2 of his granddaughters to Freys. It's all part of this big-brain plan; the Freys think that in his case unlike in Robb Stark's case, a betrothal is just as good as an actual wedding because they think he's too spineless to not follow-through. But in actuality, he wants to make sure neither of his granddaughters actually have to go through with the marriages. (He mentions to Davos that Wynafryd is in on the plan and knows her wedding will never take place, which seems QUITE likely given what we think happened to her fiance Rhaegar Frey.) As for Little Walder, he probably was banking on the fact that he and Wylla wouldn't actually be married until they come of age, by which time he plans to have put his plan into motion, and that betrothal has been rendered moot as well by Little Walder's death.
But everything changed when the fire 🔥 nation attacked. And by Fire Nation of course I mean Three ancestral dragons 🐉 riders. I spit out my orange 🍊 juice 🧃 trough my nose 👃 laughing 😆 so hard.
Walder insulted Robb so thoroughly a more realistic response would have actually been to kill Walder, strip the Freys of their lands, and then grant the Twins to a loyal supporter.
Unpopular, I know, but I don’t care. The Frey’s are my favourite house. People forget, all those other houses have done terrible things too, but they seem to get a free pass, why, because those houses are popular with the mob.
You can check out Quinn's channel here: www.youtube.com/@QuinnTheGM/videos
rewatched this at .75 speed to try and grasp the true depth of Georges insanity ….or Genius ?
@@viggstable305 ...Both? Let's say both
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15:19
Just one correction, Wyman Manderly did not break guest right, he made sure to give the Freys three horses as "guest gift" which means from that moment on the Freys were not protected by the guest right anymore.
Good catch - I actually mention the horse gifts in our Fate of the Freys video on Quinn's channel
Weren't the Freys butchered outside White Harbor?
@@nunyabiznes33on the way back to winterfell
Also, Wyman Manderly brings his own food to Winterfell, and so avoids guest right with Ramsey Bolton.
*Elmo's voice* "Elmo declare for Queen Rhanyra, Elmo bring death to her enemies hahahaha!!!!"
😂😂😂😂
Kermit stabbing Boros to death is a funny image
Things would have gone differently if Super Grover had found his cape
Bolton: The bloodline has been full of psychopathy for millennia but for some reason was never straight up ended
Frey: Honestly it wasn't until Walder Frey that they became House Hate Sink
All it takes is one man to destroy a family legacy
@@fantasyhaven1 Except with the Boltons ig
@@aguspuig6615 I am sure there was a troubling time when Dalton Bolton nearly damned them all by promoting charity and mercy.
Well, there were some nice boltons👀
The Freys are my favourite House of the Riverlands, they are self made Lords that crawled their way to the top while everyone mocked them, but then Walder had to ruin everything
Walder finally bit off more than he could chew
@@fantasyhaven1 did he still had enough teeth to chew?
@@MiguelSanchezDelVillar Yes but they're probably made of wood
Completely agree. My buddy’s give me so my shit
To be fair, what successful self-made dynasty *hasnt* committed the odd war crime here or there?
The funniest part is that
Everyone who hates House Frey for the Red Wedding all fall in love with Tywin Lannister and praise him as a great person even though he orchestrated it.
This will be the topic of a future video - dismantling the idea that Tywin is some sort of badass strongman who does the Harsh But Necessary Thing™
People love themselves a good puppet master but no one loves puppets
@@fantasyhaven1Can't wait for it!
All he did is payed Freys to do that. Freys complied because their petty spite is big
Tywin was a bad ass and the Freys were right to be mad at Robb.
“Do you deny it?” Wyman Manderly bit a sausage in half. “I confess…” He wiped grease from his lips. “…I confess that I know little of this poor boy. How old was the lad?” “Nine.” “So young. Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey.”
Best quote involving a Frey 😅
Wyman has no chill
""""mayhaps"""😆
I like how people were mad at the Frey’s for building a bridge and charging people to use it. That bridge had to of helped trade and they did build it on their own.
Old nobility don't respect the grind
Nobody:
Not a single soul:
Walder Frey: HOSTER TULLY ALWAYS LOOKED DOWN ON ME!
The Targaryen's being compared to the fire nation is surprisingly very accurate 😂
14:20 “It remains unclear if they will hold a grudge for this in the long run.”
I mean, just look at how forgiving they are with Robb Stark marrying Jeyne Westerling.
I really enjoyed this History lesson! It's wild to think that pre-Walder the Freys were actually solid
It'll be fun to see how HOTD presents Forrest Frey
Walder Frey took the moniker of jump start to heart.
Everyone seethed at House Frey demanding tolls for passage would've done the same if they had the foresight to build a bridge fortress first.
It was a shame that Walder eas the one to have the same lust as Bobby B, spreading his foul seed all over the place. At least the daughters seem to have a good streak.
It goes to show how bloody OLD this world when you're considered to be part of a 'young house' and the family is 600 years old!
600 is nothing when you think of the Starks (thousands of years old I think?)
@@fantasyhaven1 Exactly, G.R.R Martin you brilliant bastard.
I always find it a little offputting though when there are these fictional medievil worlds that somehow have thousands of years of history without seeming to have progressed at all technologically. In the real world the 'medieval' period was only a couple hundreds years give or take before we had cannons and basic firearms. How has Westeros existed without any kinds of advancements at all for thousands of years, fantasy or no.
@@justarandomcommenter570 To give some reference, House Stark alone has been in charge of the north for eight thousand years(Note, not in existence, just being the rulers of the north), that is as long as the Neolithic period and bronze age *combined*.
I think its more just GRRM either feeding into abit of the fantasy aspect of the world, since most fantasy worlds have crazy times, or just not fully realizing quite how long thousands of years are lol
@@Noobie2k7they didn't discover gun powder
for every 7 Highborn lords, 8 of them are Frey.
A young Walder Frey appears in the Tales of Dunk and Egg.
Oh! Cool! That'll be interesting!
Yeah he was 6 and an asshole
mentioned in the video
Only thing the Freys ever did wrong was not supporting Maegor SMH
They could've finally been Lords Paramount of the Trident smh
The Starks beg to differ.
Well building that damn bridge is the right thing
based
@@afrizalrinaldo8896 literally the only reason they’re relevant
6:38 Minor slight? I would say there is a huge difference between being denied something you never were promised or had a shot at and completing your side of a deal and the other side not following through.
This was so clever and well done and really helps me with my reread! I'm starting ASoS so it's good to get such a good breakdown of the Freys.
Also this is random, but you finally FINALLY reminded me of what the Freys remind me of - old fairytales about bridge trolls. Like, Three Billy Goats Gruff type stuff, lol
Oh, nice catch!
4 year old Walder Frey needed a clout in the ear.
Walder Frey could have become lord of the crossing before the reign of Jaehaerys II since it is far from certain every king has visited the Twins in their reign. He could have inherited as early as the reign of Aerys I for all we know.
I agree - Quinn is assuming that every King must have visited him
It really tells you how old Westerosi history is when being 600 years old makes your house practically "new money."
LMAO!! "After Rob Stark remembers he's a teenage boy and sleeps with Jane Westerly, he marries her to preserve her honor."
OP. You are awesome at making videos!!
I should be writing a 10-page history essay right now. Instead I'm binge-watching a fun new ASOIAF channel. I wonder if my professor would accept an essay about the fantastical history of a certain house Frey... I mean, the whole story of asoiaf is essentially the war of roses, so it's basically history, right??
Jokes aside, great video and interesting topic. So many asoiaf channels focus on the histories of Targaryens and Starks (which are also fun ofc!) so it's refreshing to hear about other houses too, especially a house that doesn't get much love from the fandom.
Just put my channel in your footnotes, you'll get full marks I promise 😂
As a historian myself, I definitely wanna do some videos comparing asoiaf to real history at some point. And lots of people have been asking for me to cover minor Houses too! Too many ideas... 🤔
@@fantasyhaven1 a fellow history enthusiast, ooh wee!
Both of those ideas sound fun.
A thought: I like how in the "where -was Gondor when Westfold fell- were the Velaryons/Hightowers during X" videos you approached the family history through a certain event. That could work for other houses too: take a few houses and tell their POVs of the different historical events in Westeros. And maybe even sprinkle some Real World Hard History Facts in there as well, somehow.
Whatever you do, please keep those silly characters/drawings/things😄
Yep the animations are here to stay!
I really really wanted a frey's history video. This is great ❤
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Actually, Wyman didn't break guest right, because he gave them a guest gift. Which means the Freys were no longer guests. That's if he even baked them into pies, it's actually a good chance that the Brotherhood Without Banners got them, if you ask me.
I actually mention the Guest Right loophole in my collab video with Quinn - he gives them a palfrey each
don't they even say that the palfrey's were ""found"" but not the riders?
I could be misremembering that, bc that's 5x more sus, if true
@@ccorvid yeah, I believe you are correct
"They're one of the youngest noble houses."
The green Fossoways: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yes, you are a joke to us
I love the animations. Especially the end when the guest’s cartoon keeps blocking fantasy😂
Haha thanks, glad you enjoy them
Very much enjoyed this, glad you guys collaborated so could find fantasy haven
And I'm glad you enjoyed our videos
Your breakdowns are great, you have a great sense of humor and an alt shift x level of edit going on and its really workin for me!
it's only an alt shift x edit if the video ends with a pan-out to a huge tableau of all the slides used in the video
I fully expect the Manderly forces to turn on the Freys and team up with Stannis to massacre them.
Oh absolutely
0:57 off the top of my head, a few houses younger than the Freys:
House Slynt
House Clegane
House Seaworth
House Baratheon
House Harroway
House Towers
Granted some of those are extinct but the point is that the Freys don’t even come close to being the youngest
Can you make videos about the histories of different houses? Namely lesser known houses too? This video was pretty great!
Yes I would love to
Just found your channel but a house mormont would be dope
New sub here! I love not only how you break things down so easily (because ASOIAF) has just soooo much info and your humor is badass I love it!!! Super excited to hear more videos on the westeros world!
Thank you!
2 of my favorite GOT youtubers collaborating! A surprise to be sure but a welcome one!
Manderly never broke Guest Right. He gave them the Guest Gifts on the Freys departure which cleared the Manderly's of breaking Guest Right.
I do wish the books would dive a bit more into that "loophole", for lack of a better word for it.
I actually mention this in the Fate of the Freys video on Quinn's channel
House The Freys of the Crossing
Motto: Screw you pay me
And "we stand together" lol
@@attiepollard7847 The one good thing D&D came up with (if they did.)
Ah finally a new video from my favourite sightly loreman!
Love them or hate them, they undeniably have one of the cooler castles in Westeros, together with the Hightowers. Like, who else lives in a fookin bridge (aside from modern hobos)?!
New subscriber! I enjoy what I'm seeing so far :)
I will definitely watch more of your ASOIAF videos. Thank you for the content & good luck on your channel
Thanks for the support!
“Winter WILL come for House Frey!” …well, it would if the series is ever finished…which it won’t 😢
I still believe...
@@fantasyhaven1 …and that’s why I follow you!
I can't wait to root for House Frey in the Storming of Stone Hedge and the Fish Feed!! Also I really hope they actually depict the Frey's influence on the war and that Forrest Frey is a named character who actually gets his proper send off.
Fuck it. Henry Cavill as Forrest Frey.
Yeah.. wish HOTD would feature Forrest Frey in the next season so to kinda redeem the House's reputation especially to TV viewers. That not every Frey is as bad as Walder.
I'll be disappointed if they make Forrest a generic weaselly Frey
The crannogman are the french of westeros 😂
“Unlike his descendant Walder he’s not a complete bitch.” So funny😆😆😆😆 and so true
Love your sense of humor homie. Keep on making these kickass videos!
Thanks! There's loads more to come
Cool video dude, I like the animations you put throught the video
Would you be interested in talking about Euron or the Bolt-On tinfoil next? It'd be pretty interesting to see a Cthulhu-like Euron or an Other/Vampire-y Roose in your style. I just really like those two concepts being talked about in particular I guess lol Thanks for the entertaining content!
Thanks! And yeah, I'm planning on organising a new schedule that involves talking about a House, a Theory, and something related to HOTD every month. I talked a little bit about Euron on my Hightower video
9:20 I think he wasn't counting Robb. Most likely, it was Aegon V, Aerys II and Robert I.
Probably. Although maybe he didn't host ALL of the Kings - in which case the earliest possible King Walder Frey could have become Lord under was Aerys I, when he was a child
The ASOIAF community crossovers are getting juicier!!🤌🏾🤌🏾
Glad you enjoyed!
I love how someone described the phrase sigil as being a double crossing because of the two towers on each side. The Double Cross/ The Twins.
Love the combo with you guys. Subscribing to both
Thanks for the sub!
“ that same puntable 4 yeah old became lord of the crossing” 😂😂😂😂
Fantastic video! You two work well together
The map of westeros ( well the south ,) is Ireland upside down , and my city Cork is roughly where " the twins" is ,
The city emblem is 2 towers with a water gate between them ( and a ship but )
Not a million miles from the Frey emblem though ..
Damn that's awesome
You mean the North?
@@cba2make1up No he means the south. Casterly Rock and Lannisport correspond with Dublin, Oldtown is roughly around the Belfast area, the Vale is the Munster area and the Stormlands are Connaught. It's the Vale and the Stormlands which are the most obvious to me. The North is modelled extremely roughly off of Great Britain with Bear Island being the Isle of Mann while the Neck has the rough shape of Cornwall and the south coast, the Wall and the Night's Watch match up with Hadrian's Wall on the English-Scottish border.
I love your style of videos! It makes something as complicated as the books easily understandable for someone as slow as me. Much appreciated, I noticed that you uploaded your first video only 5 month's ago, do you have a email for business inquiries?
Thanks! Yep, you can find my business email in my channel's About section
I came here from Quinn's vid.
Welcome aboard!
this channel is underated. funny and entertaining.
Thanks
1:21 Another dragon has hit the second tower
too soon
(should've waited 3 days)
Two legends in one video 🎉
After seeing the thumbnail, I genuinely thought it was some blursed map of Mesopotamia
Lmao
House Frey isn't that bad. They're like most other families, some are good, some are bad. Walder Frey's son and heir seemed like a really decent guy, unfortunately he died.
It's been a while since I read the Dunk and Egg stories, but I thought the Young Lord Walder was a baby (not 4 year old). I will have to recheck that.
You might be right 👀
@@fantasyhaven1 either way, Young Walder was deeply unpleasant and someone should have spared the Seven Kingdoms from him
using mayhaps, talking about the Freys...genius!
a nice surprise to see my version of daemon targaryen's arms on 6:50 map
Awesome work!
If there words do turn out to be "Stand Together" then that is a delicious irony given Walders brood are the biggest bunch of scheming backstabbers south of the Dreadfort!
What does a Frey know of honor?
*nothing*
About as much as the Dornish know of the North
Your very good at lore videos! Respect
2:22 Long Live Emperor Howland! Emperor of the Crannog Empire! Lord of All Mud, Warden of Frogs! King of the Neck, the Crossing, and Cape Kraken! Protector of the Swamps, the Bogs, and the Marshes!
your graphic desain passion is hot
Wasn't the Riverlands one independent kingdom only once? Seems it has been mostly petty kingdoms for most of its history. Did the Freys only came about during that time? There were no mentions of them being kings at some point in their history, unlike the Tullys and other houses like Brakens ane Blackwoods.
We don't know specifically when the Freys became Lords, just that it happened before the Hoares took over
Manderley didn't break guest right he gave them horses and sent them on ahead if i'm not mistaken. What ever happened on the road wouldn't count.
Yeah you're right
Respect to Quinn the GM for coming to a younger channel and showing love.
Yeah, he's been amazing
I love House Frey's lore. But there is one point I just seriously think needs changing. Them being the youngest house of westeros despite having been founded 600 years ago and fought through so many internal conflicts.
Now don't get me wrong. I am 100% in favor of them being TREATED like new nobility and glorified tax collectors. But not BEING it. Why?
Well because 600 years is a lot of time and internal conflicts are usually when most nobiliary houses are founded. Generally speaking low nobles, burgeoisie and men at arms tend to wind up promoted to high nobility when a segment of that previous high nobility was on the loosing side of a war to decide the new liege.
That's not to say every civil war ends in a purge. Many don't. And most of the loosers likely would still wind up ok either by peace treaty or simply turning coat before the fight gets tough. But there tends to be a reshufling of the more problematic or unfortunate houses for some more loyal blood.
Taking into account the way the Targaryen took over. I'm fairly sure they would have wound up forming quite a few major houses in those 600 years. Certainly larger than mere lords like the Frey. Counts at the very least.
BUT. "New nobility" was more about ideology than actual right. As a european that actually paid attention in history class and learned a bit of my own I can find multiple examples, but I dare say the most comparable to House Frey would be the Red Dukes, the family of Medina-Sidonia. So excuse my quick history class.
The first duke of Medina Sidonia earned his title by military right, having led the war effort against part of the Serranía de Cádiz and been extremely successful, way more than the other pretenders to the title and way, way more than expected. Before him the house was fairly small, being only minor nobility. They were part of the "Segura", basque men at arms turned lower nobility by military right as part of the Castillian army during the reconquista. And in their case while they had earned their own name, they would keep these roots quite clear, labeling the castles made by the house with 1 or 2 segurs at the side of the gates. (The Segura were known by that name due to the use of the Segur, a particular type of hatchet, as a sort of "badge of office" for men at arms of the basque and inner aragonese regions. The nobiliary house comes from the Castillian-Conquered "Basque Country" as said men at arms would be a very significant part of the Castillian army. And known for their prowess.)
This was already a bit of an issue. While being proud of military might was no problem for nobles at the time. Being proud of coming from lowborn men at arms that rose through the ranks through it, and proud enough to openly display it despite having been given a nobiliary title, was a very easy way to earn a place at the top of the old nobility's "shit" list. But that was far, FAR from the last slight, the house of Medina-Sidonia would EARN their place as the old nobility's most hated rivals through great effort. So much so that even this first duke had multiple assassination attempts done of him, one of which was traced back to the very king that had made him a duke. They REALLY pissed people off.
You see. Once you became a duke you had the right to knight people into lower nobility. This would be used for politics hence why Spain would come to have a knightly class so bloated than the territory of asturias would erect the right to universal hidalguia and declare even the servants born there would be knighted at birth. This isn't an exageration or joke it was that problematic. But that rarely mattered because if there's one thing Spain wasn't lacking was conflict to throw these "lower nobles" at. Be it as conquistadors, crusaders, mercenaries, fighting on the many external wars, or just fighting on the many, many, MANY internal ones Spain went through... Seriously when Charles the 1st and Vth took the throne he fought 2 simultaneous civil wars and his reign is still considered relatively peaceful internally compared with the rest of the empire. Spain regularly set itself on fire back then.
Point is. This right would still have... "faux pass" of sorts. Generally speaking, knighting men at arms from branches of old lineages that hadn't proved themselves yet was considered very good by the old nobility. Knighting cargadores (sea merchants) for their prowess as burgeoisie was a good way to earn enemies. Knighting ex-bandits turned "voluntarios" (irregular infantry) and members of the Santa Hermandad (a peasant's militia turned police force) was the easiest way to have the rest of the nobility literally try to get you killed. And now you know one of the reasons why the assassination attempts happened.
But why? Why would they do this? Well, 2 reasons. First, they ideologically had a lot of enemies from the start. This will matter a lot more later. So they guessed knightly houses that were seen that badly would be more loyal to them, whereas knightly houses from ancient men at arm lineages had a high probability of wondering if taking on their lieges might make them dukes. The second reason is the serrania itself. The land they were given was extremely mountainous and having been war torn for a very long period of time as it was the border between christians and muslims, criminality back then was through the roof. And back then the best way to kill criminals was to hire criminals as voluntarios, plus spain had a lot of history of hiring bandits as light infantry. Even some "old houses" that hated Medina-Sidonia like the Golfines started that way. In a way high crime hard to scout areas like the serrania didn't fight crime as much as pick favourites. So that's what they did.
On top of this while the Marquis of Cádiz, the house on top of Medina-Sidonia, was generally not that problematic, they were firmly burgeoisie-aligned liberals and mostly didn't get into issued because they were so hands off. Being a very urban house that for the most part didn't care what the dukes under them did so long as they didn't cause too much issues so they could focus on keeping trade with america going, and every once in a while funding tech advances pretty hard. So while the Marquis themselves didn't cause issues, being under them was already a stain on your legacy, being under them and even more problematic was political hell.
But this is far from where our tale ends as then the war of succession comes. And here real life and GoT come together beautifully. While Medina-Sidonia weren't tax collectors for a river pass, they were so for a MOUNTAIN pass, and between their need for more policing and their extreme allegiance to the Misioneros who they funded, they were known for being particularly voracious collectors and corrupt to boot. Having the propaganda of the old nobility against them likely didn't help their image. But still the war of succession was roughly fought on medieval non-political terms with allegiance coming more out of power dynamics. Which explains why the Marquis took the side of the French, despite being liberals. While Medina-Sidonia fought for the side of the Austrians. Medina-Sidonia lost but much like Frey, not much came of it.
However, when the Bourbons took charge the Marquis would come to lament having won that war. As back then france was far more centralized and totalitarian than Spain, and while the Bourbon candidate had promised to keep Spain's political system, he didn't get the throne and the one who did immediately went on to try to impose their political system, known in Spain as Ultra-Absolutism. Actively fighting both the Social-Catholics like Medina Sidonia and the Liberals like the Marquis.
This is what kickstarts the period of far more political and intense internal struggles in Spain. And this pushed the social-catholics like medina sidona to being firmly liberal allied, specially since the Bourbons tried to ban the Jesuits and other missionary orgs. Which is why even nowadays many jesuit branches have gone so far left they even became the main drivers of many marxist movements.
This is why the house of Medina-Sidonia came to be known as the Red Dukes. As they went full left wing, and even allied with the republicans, for which they would spend Franco's tenure in exile. Still, the current Duchess is to this day a fairly political figure and having recovered some of her wealth after the transition to democracy she's been funding some fairly important social programs.
But my point for this very long rant is, even to this day the current Red Duchess is treated as "new nobility", as an upstart that shouldn't be counted amongst the REAL "grandes"... despite her house being centuries older than many of those criticizing them for it. And having earned that title for far more honorable ways.
So I can totally see why the Frey would be TREATED that way. But I can't believe they genuinely ARE the youngest house in westeros. Way too much has happened in those 600 years for them to still be the latest to rise to that stature.
Genuinely fascinating to read, thanks for the history lesson
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that that frey knew it was a long shot to marry into targaryen line but he was still gonna give it a shot
How about a video about house arryn??? That could be fun too❤
Don't worry, I'll be doing every House great and small
Currently I think the Frey’s currently also might have succession issues given how many heirs Walder has. When Walder dies expect some of those branches to start killing each other. Why? Stevron’s line might go kaput.
maybe do a video on the History of House Bolton
I plan to do every single House eventually
Usually I dont subscribe to people before seeing a couple of videos that I like.
It's been a long time since I smashed that subscribe button on the first video lol
Thanks! That means a lot
Got you with the sub my friend 👍
Came over from Quinn's Channel and enjoyed you guys working on stuff together
Glad to have you
Wyman never breaks guest right he gives guest gifts.
Provide a valuable service = Everyone gets mad for charging for its use.
The early Freys got their power and wealth through innovation, not blood
Willing to bet the Freys smell less of "new money" and more of old socks.
Lmao
Only 600 years? How utterly nouveau riche. They might put on airs and graces, but everybody knows their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was a common fisherman. All fur coats and no knickers, I tell you.
4:54 There are better options of course, but I think it's worth mentioning that it's specified that the Frey was a younger son. The same thing happened with Genna. It's specified that it's the second son. I think George does that for a reason. There's snobbery when it comes to the Freys, but I do think it's exaggerated. Walder Frey complains about the Hoster refusing to marry Edmure off to one of his girls, but Hoster did try to arrange a marriage between his brother and one of the Freys. He wasn't against the idea of it. Compare that to Littlefinger, who was tossed out of Riverrun for trying to get with a Tully.
It's pretty much open season on the Freys now right
Hey bro, you guys were very entertaining. Ima check the other guy out
Thanks!
You're just upset that you don't have a bridge.
Many people hate Walder Frey. Personally, I'm impressed by his fecundity, his great age, and his wroth (Rob had it coming). Say what you will, but the man secured his genetic lineage like few before him.
He's a scumbag, but he does care about his family
Can you make this into the series where u do every nobal house and esos stuff
Maybe put the amount of soldiers and wealth of each house
Yeah I wanna go through all the houses eventually
@15:04 Important distinction: Wyman BETROTHS 2 of his granddaughters to Freys. It's all part of this big-brain plan; the Freys think that in his case unlike in Robb Stark's case, a betrothal is just as good as an actual wedding because they think he's too spineless to not follow-through. But in actuality, he wants to make sure neither of his granddaughters actually have to go through with the marriages. (He mentions to Davos that Wynafryd is in on the plan and knows her wedding will never take place, which seems QUITE likely given what we think happened to her fiance Rhaegar Frey.) As for Little Walder, he probably was banking on the fact that he and Wylla wouldn't actually be married until they come of age, by which time he plans to have put his plan into motion, and that betrothal has been rendered moot as well by Little Walder's death.
But everything changed when the fire 🔥 nation attacked. And by Fire Nation of course I mean Three ancestral dragons 🐉 riders. I spit out my orange 🍊 juice 🧃 trough my nose 👃 laughing 😆 so hard.
😅
Lmao sir Elmo 😂
That video is both informative and hilarious🤣
Walder insulted Robb so thoroughly a more realistic response would have actually been to kill Walder, strip the Freys of their lands, and then grant the Twins to a loyal supporter.
0:40 HE SAID MAYHAPS
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
man I've read the books and I did not pick up on the hints that wyman manderly killed those freys and baked them into pie XD
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A second dragon has hit the second tower ... Never forget the 9th month as 11th day 301 days after ageons conquest
Since then the TSA has banned all Horns from the Khalisar
Unpopular, I know, but I don’t care. The Frey’s are my favourite house.
People forget, all those other houses have done terrible things too, but they seem to get a free pass, why, because those houses are popular with the mob.
This was pretty coool
Thanks
Honestly, the fall of House Frey can be chalked up to Walder living to long and still fucking.
Do the Boltons please or Blackfyres
Good suggestions
Great video!
Thanks!