How long have you been clean. I'm still using H and judging by your experience the road to recovery will be a long gruelling one. But coming across positive comments like yours helps a lot.
@@limayaden8458 I'm an oxy user since where I live (not in the US) we don't really have heroin here but I'm still suffering because I decided to stop using Suboxone after 6 years myself in July and along the way relapsed a few times and therefore prolonging the agony I'm in, haven't used in a week now. Trying to use Tramadol to lessen the withdrawals but Suboxone is the hardest to get off because it's like opioid withdrawal on steroids and it lasts for weeks! I've gone through opioid withdrawals so many times I can't even count but there's nothing as horrible as getting of that fucking shit. If you don't want to go on MAT i.e Suboxone, Methadone or whatever else America has then it will be a long and hard one as opioids are the hardest drugs to stay sober from but you can still do it. If you can't get into rehab and have to go through it cold turkey, I definitely feel for you but thankfully H withdrawals don't last too long. It's just the problem of actually getting through them. I suggest having someone help you if you possibly can. Then I suggest NA meetings, activities and something to distract your mind. Close all doors to your former drug life, that include any friends who're users and don't ever start using any other mind altering drug as in alcohol or weed because it will always lead back to your drug of choice. I was sober for 3 years when I was on the Suboxone so I have some experience, plus I've been dealing with this disease my entire life with my whole family infected with it. But there is freedom out there. You just have to be strong enough to do the things us addicts have to do to stay completely sober. Hope I'm not coming of sounding condescending or like I know better than anyone I am just speaking from my own experience. Suboxone didn't work for me because of the side effects and the fact that I don't want to be imprisoned by any drug that I get mentally and physically dependent on but maybe it's the thing for you. I've gotten that freedom a few times by going into recovery, 12 step program and all that. There's a reason AA was founded all those decades ago for addicts when nothing else proved to work for us and I always suggest giving it a shot. I truly hope you get out of the nightmare you're living in as I know how awful it is. You can do this. You just have to put in the work. Good luck to you and I wish you all the best! Also to the OG poster, I hope you got free from it too.
One of the best videos I've seen on recovery. I'm a 12 year opiate addict. People don't get it. I tell them that opiate cravings are like an intense sweet tooth times 1,000 that you can never fix. And it's frustrating as all fucking hell
Ik wil u bedanken voor u inzet naar ons verslaafden.u leg dingen helder uit.zonder ons te ver oordelen. Ik woon zelf in Nederland, Amsterdam. Tegelijk is het ook triest dat ik naar u video 's moet kyken . Dat komt dat de kennis in Nederland beprekt is .omtrent verslavingen. Daar wy een moelyk doel groep zyn ,ondankbaar werk noemde een hulpverlener het. Afkick protocol in Nederland duurt te lang afbouwen op methadon dan praat je over een maand..bedankt voor u inzet ook namens andere nederlands verslaafden in Nederland die u geen bericht sturen. RONALD
@@austindurham5736man I'm sorry and understand. I have friends with cancer on oxymorphone which is the only thing that works for my pain. But if not dying or cancer they won't prescribe it. I'm in "pain management" and not managing very well. 😢
This makes perfect sense. But how do we stop wanting (craving) to feel good (a dopamine release)? Doesn’t everyone want to feel rewarded, excited & happy? For most people, the reward centre is stimulated & dopamine released by activities like music / family / material possessions / “the white picket fence” / hobbies etc but for addicts, those things do nothing. Does being sober mean the rest of your life will be spent feeling flat, unsatisfied (like Pavlov’s poor dogs) & numb because the pleasure centre just isn’t being rewarded in an effective enough way to release dopamine? Avoiding triggers is easy enough but having not experiencing a dopamine release isn’t anything to look forward to. - 15 yrs of sobriety & still looking for something else to fill the void 🙄
This is a good (and complex topic). In short the dopamine rush in active addiction is artificially higher than what nature ever intended. So after quitting normal pleasures seem pretty lame. Over time the brain will reset and normal pleasures will become very satisfying. Be aware of the difference between pleasure (dopamine spike that will always wear off) and happiness ( the warm feeling of doing a good job, after helping others, being proud of what you have done, etc) - they are very different. There is a whole science of positive psychology that helps people learn to be happy - check it out. Dr Coleman
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 that makes sense completely! Thank you for taking the time to reply. I’ve got 15 yrs of sobriety yet my brain seems determined not to reset so most of this time has been spent feeling resentful. I care for 2 immediate family members with complex Autism which complicates things. I wish there was a Coleman institute in Australia or I knew how to teach myself this science of positive psychology 🤔 Best Wishes
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 does Suboxone blunt dopamine release? Is there any benefit of being on naltrexone instead of stable on eg 4mg of Suboxone?
Getting the opioid replacement therapy drugs is still just another addiction to contend with, but still better than being in real Pain and sick as all hell .
The cravings like while on the stuff go away after abstinence. They do pop up every once in awhile, but no way near as bad. The more time off. The more your brain can think it through. Especially as time goes on and you keep yourself healthy and busy. I was hardcore on for 14 years. Off almost 2 years. One thing is for sure. The future is uncertain; better prepare. ✌✌
my craving, a lifelong cravi g went away at 65 with buprenorphine. Ill take it till i die and im thrilled to have it. i even cared for mu addicted sister tor three tears and her oxy addiction. Not one craving. And she had liver failure.
Im a long time heroin user then i injured my lower back and got prescribed morphine --(90mg) a day for last 26 years.. my doctor decided he wasnt going to prescribe my morphine anymore , im on high dose of methadone daily now, i can tell you right now --the cravings haven't gone away , and may never go..... , an old mate of mine has been clean from heroin for 8 years now, he still says that he craves getting back on it to this day, his love for kids are the only thing stopping him becoming a full blown addict again....when clean from drugs- it only takes one bad decision to be right back on it again.... Heroin is one helluva drug but😜🤔🤘👍..
I’ve been on Norco for 17 years & I just can’t quit them…I get violently sick during withdrawal…there’s no way I can completely free myself in just a couple of weeks of not using….I have a problem & Kaiser Permanente is creating addicts by the handful every single day…I have finally decided to make an appointment @your Orange County, California office…I have to do something…thanks for listening. p.s…I’ve tried Suboxone & it made me very ill…
I will also say that after several hundred AA/NA meetings, I've found that at a certain point, 12 step meetings don't help anymore. I can't count how many meetings I went to that after several weeks just turned into an ever rotating series of "war stories" about the worst times using, etc. What I noticed was almost an equal obsession for avoiding alcohol and/or drugs develop in some people. Which makes me think that at a really primal level, all of us in one way or another don't quite fit in and find our way to substances that make us feel comfortable and in my case "normal" relative to my true sober/clean baseline in social settings. That was the true initial draw of painkillers. I got the same anti-anxiety effect with a better buzz and fewer people could tell, I could drive and I remembered everything and didn't get belligerent like happens with alcohol. For me, the all or nothing of 12 steps hasn't worked so far. Perhaps at some point I'll have another revelation that in fact, I can't do anything in any amount if I want to progress in life. I haven't found that to be a workable solution. Like it or not, social gatherings and alcohol/weed are ever present especially in legal weed states. I never liked alcohol like i liked opiates so it hasn't been a problem for me. I could see how it could become one though. Legal weed has helped me a lot personally though. I haven't replaced it because if i'm low on weed i don't consider selling a kidney to get money to do so like i did with opiates. Kidding but only kinda. There's a balance and trying to find it is not for everyone just like the 12 steps aren't a cure-all for everyone. We each have our own motivations for using and unless you find other coping mechanisms and other directions to focus that energy, in my experience, relapse is guaranteed. You have to have a plan for what you're going to do with all the time and money you now have since you're not spending every waking hour and useful thought on trying to find the next fix. Meditation helps a lot. Don't let anyone tell you that the way you're approaching sobriety won't work unless they're right. Like everything, it's a spectrum. Some people go full throttle no matter what substance it is, some people go full throttle only one one substance, some on a few, some don't ever allow themselves to get TOO truly carried away. Absolute abstinence for me was as realistic for all substances was as realistic as abstinence for sex is in the age of Tinder and Instagram.
I can agree with everything...sober is different for everyone. I have decided I self medicated for 25years for a reason. I can't ever imagine myself being 100 percent sober. Sometimes we gotta find a good medium or find a manageable level..this is difficult because it's a progressive disease. Especially for pain patents
I got through hydrocodone withdrawal using a very slow tapering method. 24 years chronic neck pain and arthritis. But now my pain is crippling, I wish to get advice for people really using it for pain and what to do for pain.
Congrats on getting off. This is the same thing with me. I’m not taking more than prescribed but even when I do stop for a week my pain is so bad I can’t do a whole lot. My best guess is to try long acting drugs like morphine er or hydro er. In my personal experience I don’t get any altered state from that.
It's the anxiety that makes me relapse especially when starting buprenorphine. I went 3 weeks last month with no opiates but yet again the anxiety made me relapse. I did take subutex for that 3 weeks though. Feel like I'm never gonna get off this crap.
I know your struggles brother! I got off oxy december last year, and I'm currently on Suboxone. For me the Suboxone took my crawings away after about a month/month and a half .
@@michelleduplooymalherbe2837 don't mind me asking but where are you located? Can you cut down on your subs for a few days just to help a little. I went back on oxy for 3 days last month not realising it would put me back to square one again with trying to introduce the subs. It was a nightmare. I hope your going to be OK.. lessons learnt for taking too much eh?
It took me a long time to get stable on Suboxone. I am tapering off and am down to 3mg daily from 12mg originally. First I started with the liquid handcuffs because that's all the insurance I had when I checked into the clinic would cover until a few months in when I switched to one that would cover Suboxone. Then I had to switch from Methadone to Suboxone. NOT fun. Worth it? 100000%. The anxiety has always been my main motivation. There's things you can do and should do to mitigate that. Ideally, a good doctor will prescribe you some benzos to take the edge off the anxiety. There's also kratom which can help some if used as a true thing to step down with not as a replacement. THE BIGGEST and hardest decision is that you're actually done with opiates. Rock bottoms and "a-ha" moments can come at any time. It doesn't have to be that you end up in a gutter, homeless and waking up to a homeless person pissing in your face and telling you it's raining. It can be a moment when a close friend, family member or significant other gives that look of overwhelming concern coupled with the profound helplessness they feel in trying to help you stop yourself from destroying yourself in real time in front of their eyes. Until I got stable on Suboxone i truly wasn't clear headed enough to realize how much anxiety I'd caused those that love me. The worst withdrawal cannot compare to the anxiety I caused my family and friends and girlfriends. When the worst part of physical withdrawal hits you, try to remember that what you're experiencing is a fraction of the anxiety you've caused anyone that cares about you. It's made it easier to give me the motivation boost I need to not make a phone call and go back to the terrible task at hand with renewed determination. My suffering pales in comparison to the suffering I've caused just in worry for my family. Don't know if that helps, but throwing it out there. Godspeed and good luck!
Yes , they do go away. I can attest. I was a full blown junkie just 6 years ago and now I wouldn't go near that poison for anything. No cravings, ever. However, cocaine still plays tricks on my brain and even though I didn't particularly like it, I sometimes will crave that high, that buzz, the rush. It's always been that way for me. Opiods took me down, but coke carved out a niche in my brain and it's still in there. Opioids aren't.
I don't agree at all, I think we are all different, I used heroin for 10 years, mostly in Thailand after the Vietnam war . At 25 I got sentenced to 15 years with 7 non parole, kicked heroin, got super fit and stayed off opioids for thirty years. I hit a brick wall with problems about 5 years ago and craved narcotics like I just stopped yesterday, went back to using and now fighting it with Suboxone. If you have been a full on addict your brain never forgets.
@@anthonypress5137 I wish you the best getting clean and eventually off the subs. I'm sorry you had the relapse. And we are all different. I was just sharing my experience. I didn't mean to imply opiods don't cause cravings later on in life at all. I'm actually surprised that I don't crave them anymore. It's just that for some reason cocaine still tugs at me to this day. I fight it when I'm down and having a bad day or week. I also focused on health and fitness and am now in the best shape of my life at 49. Also, thank you for your service in Vietnam. I have the utmost respect for the soldiers who fight wars regardless of whether or not I agree with the reasons we are fighting them. Thanks for your message, too.
Dr. Coleman’s Virginia location is the most comfortable clinic to detox. I have went through the accelerated detox for opioids twice there. And 7 or 8 naltrexone replacement implants. The staff is caring, the place itself is comforting, and their entire approach makes the process very manageable. I have also detoxed twice and did 5 naltrexone replacement chips at their Cherry Hill, New Jersey location and it was very unpleasant. Mostly due to the inexperienced, snub and unsympathetic director in addition to a typical textbook clueless counselor who was barley 25 with no relatable experience, but would speak to you like you do a child, no matter your age. She referred to me, my mother and my father in the same demeaning yet inaccurate and uneducated manner. I will not name either one. It is unnecessary. However I will mention Dr. Sue from there, because she perfected the surgical procedure every single time with barely any scarring or long term scar tissue buildup thereafter. In addition to just being pleasant and caring. Perhaps this was a factor when I wonder why the Cherry Hill location was shut down recently. An amazing clinical blueprint just placed into the wrong hands? Idk. This comment is in no way my intention to talk badly about the Coleman Institute. My experiences there laid the groundwork for my journey to recovery, which took over 10 years of battling with endless detoxes and rehabs, only after 12 years of heavy drug use before that. I simply have so much praise for their first and oldest facility in Virginia. After my first time going through the process, I put together over 2.5 years of complete sobriety. Which was unimaginable for me after 12 years of straight use. Their accelerated detox works! It’s not painless but it’s completely manageable. If you have ever gone through just 12 hours of strong withdrawals, the detox will be a walk in the park for you. Because even the most uncomfortable stages will be a breeze if you have ever experienced withdrawals. If you have no idea what withdrawals are, then you can certainly expect serious discomfort. Unless you have only been using for a short period of time. Then you’ll be just fine. The longer you use, the more discomforting the process. So if you have been using drugs a year or two, and don’t wanna throw another 15 years away, get to a Coleman location ASAP. In conclusion, your in great hands with the Coleman Institute. If your already traveling to get to a location, then travel to the one in Virginia. It’s their home base. And they’ll make you feel right at home there.
Buprenorphine? I've been on hydrocodone 7.5 for 11 years for chronic leg pains I take as prescribed no more no less now my doctor wants to try me on this medicine for my leg pains it seems like it would be more addictive??
In withdrawal, time seems to slow down, like living every pain filled minute, no sleep, no energy, terrible leg cramps, unbelievable cravings, also panic, fear, and a feeling of 'there is no end in sight' to this awful, painful, emotional pit of despair, don't try and do a home detox, you will just end up scoring, and as you feel like you're dying, you wont die, what's the answer?
Are you going through it right now?? I really want to quit but the pain you described are exactly what's keeping me stuck to this bloody habit. These days I don't even get high I use it to stay normal. Really hate myself for falling into this trap.
Yes that's crazy how time flys when feeling good and slows down 10x when detoxing. Terrible. Worst sick feeling in the world. I can handle it ALL but the lack of sleep kills me. I go back
Why would you want to get on another drug after getting off of one? Especially one that is even harder to get off of? Sounds like the pharmaceutical companies making money or addicts to me.
I honestly dont understand how anyone is successful in opiate recovery without something like Suboxone. ..at least not someone who was in active addiction for 5 or more years. The depression remains present for so long that i cant see cravings ever going away. EDIT: 8 months later and i am down from 12.3mg/daily Suboxone to 4mg. Today, I'm going to 3.5mg. i haven't been able to tell my doc that ive been self tapering because his mindset is that people should take it forever to stay off of opioids...but, hes not the one paying 175/mo for his 13 visits every year and 472/month for the Suboxone out of pocket
Lol that pet scan would light up if you showed me some nice codones or kratom. Hate being an addict. 15 years of opiate use and I quit like 4 years ago for close to a year, then one day on vacation I saw the word of my drug of choice “ kratom “ in a convenient store, a week later I went and bouyh some and of course got stuck on it again for this last 4 years and now on my journey of quitting, 6 days clean as of today. Body is feeling better but still have such low energy
used to mix Vicodin and beer for years 'till the Purdue epidemic started. quit 6 years ago and cravings never go way. it's tolerable and I'm better off...tylenol and advil work.
If you develop high benzo or opioids tolerance over the year does it really go away over the years if you stop using them. I have thought that the tolerance stays there for ever.
What about if u don’t feel better sober? Or ur life is worse when ur off of the pills? Some ppl just feel better mentally on them. Some ppls lives aren’t worthy feeling sober. And being in the pills can make them feel worthy. Able to socialize at work better and granted it isn’t safe I get that but if a person wants to have these why can’t thsi be allowed legally? If that’s the life they want to live and feel valid only on them why can there be a way to allow a person to buy the pills and let them lvoe they’re lives. If they are taking them responsibly is the scenario I wanna give off here. And not even a hug does perhaps Oxycodone 5 mgs or hydro 5mg nothing huge. Again damage or not if the person just wants it for they’re mental status let the havebit.! Is there such a way?? Can u get this exact same feeling any other way??? Otherwise answer that pls? For someone who has no desire to quit and again just wants that stimulation or feeling what can they take? To get that feeling?? Again some ppl just want to take them for the happiness the opiate gives! Js saying something i know most ppl will not say out here I’ll do it then!! And pls no comments about the dangers and things that are bad and this and that. Just answer the questions pls
Bro, I totally get this...totally holidaygirl. And I truly live a good and fulfilling life while medicated. The only issue..only...is finances. People should be able to buy or get prescribed what they need to be happy and survive. I've been in "pain management " poorly for 20+ years...I've never overdosed or robbed or pawned stuff for drugs. It's just sick. They need to legalize opiates. Stop the ill legal fentanyl from coming in and let people be happy and safe...the stupid will wean themselves out in a matter of years..try kratom if u haven't yet..it works
First of all, you are destroying your kidsneys and liver (and other organs). Second, opioids destroy your life in long term (in short can help with depression, anxiety, etc...). Look at a cigarrette smoker, he is "happy" smoking. Trust me, nothing good comes from that shit.
Marijuana is only helpful for certain types of mild/moderate pain. It will never be enough for severe/ acute chronic pain. Opioids are here for a reason and they are necessary in certain instances.
Fentanyl/heroin user. I can finally hold down food. Cold and shivering and peeing a lot. Super depressed. Don’t do drugs kids.
Same spot right now and I cannot eat any solid food and haven't been able to for weeks now.
How long have you been clean. I'm still using H and judging by your experience the road to recovery will be a long gruelling one. But coming across positive comments like yours helps a lot.
@@limayaden8458 I'm an oxy user since where I live (not in the US) we don't really have heroin here but I'm still suffering because I decided to stop using Suboxone after 6 years myself in July and along the way relapsed a few times and therefore prolonging the agony I'm in, haven't used in a week now. Trying to use Tramadol to lessen the withdrawals but Suboxone is the hardest to get off because it's like opioid withdrawal on steroids and it lasts for weeks! I've gone through opioid withdrawals so many times I can't even count but there's nothing as horrible as getting of that fucking shit. If you don't want to go on MAT i.e Suboxone, Methadone or whatever else America has then it will be a long and hard one as opioids are the hardest drugs to stay sober from but you can still do it. If you can't get into rehab and have to go through it cold turkey, I definitely feel for you but thankfully H withdrawals don't last too long. It's just the problem of actually getting through them. I suggest having someone help you if you possibly can. Then I suggest NA meetings, activities and something to distract your mind. Close all doors to your former drug life, that include any friends who're users and don't ever start using any other mind altering drug as in alcohol or weed because it will always lead back to your drug of choice. I was sober for 3 years when I was on the Suboxone so I have some experience, plus I've been dealing with this disease my entire life with my whole family infected with it. But there is freedom out there. You just have to be strong enough to do the things us addicts have to do to stay completely sober. Hope I'm not coming of sounding condescending or like I know better than anyone I am just speaking from my own experience. Suboxone didn't work for me because of the side effects and the fact that I don't want to be imprisoned by any drug that I get mentally and physically dependent on but maybe it's the thing for you. I've gotten that freedom a few times by going into recovery, 12 step program and all that. There's a reason AA was founded all those decades ago for addicts when nothing else proved to work for us and I always suggest giving it a shot. I truly hope you get out of the nightmare you're living in as I know how awful it is. You can do this. You just have to put in the work.
Good luck to you and I wish you all the best! Also to the OG poster, I hope you got free from it too.
@@limayaden8458hw r u right now
It gets better thank God
One of the best videos I've seen on recovery. I'm a 12 year opiate addict. People don't get it. I tell them that opiate cravings are like an intense sweet tooth times 1,000 that you can never fix. And it's frustrating as all fucking hell
Agreed
I take Oxycodone Morphine and Nuerotin for chronic severe pain.
@@George-nn2lq How much oxy per day?
The teeths feels krrrr like.. i cannot explain . Why on earth opiods exist?
@@imdadalinaz imdad- Are u kickin right now? Teeth are grinding?
I abused opioids for 10 years and then quit no craving after 5 years
What a very kind man.
Thanks, Shaun! Best wishes
As a pain pill addict, ty for this.
You’re welcome, Tamera Mares! If you have any topics you’d like us to do a video about, please let us know.
Ik wil u bedanken voor u inzet naar ons verslaafden.u leg dingen helder uit.zonder ons te ver oordelen. Ik woon zelf in Nederland, Amsterdam. Tegelijk is het ook triest dat ik naar u video 's moet kyken .
Dat komt dat de kennis in Nederland beprekt is .omtrent verslavingen. Daar wy een moelyk doel groep zyn ,ondankbaar werk noemde een hulpverlener het. Afkick protocol in Nederland duurt te lang afbouwen op methadon dan praat je over een maand..bedankt voor u inzet ook namens andere nederlands verslaafden in Nederland die u geen bericht sturen. RONALD
Shit me too, I been fighting cancer for the last 5 years. I think withdrawals are worse than chemo .
@@austindurham5736man I'm sorry and understand. I have friends with cancer on oxymorphone which is the only thing that works for my pain. But if not dying or cancer they won't prescribe it. I'm in "pain management" and not managing very well.
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I feel for u hun...how u doing now? Its amazing how we can just...survive...
This makes perfect sense. But how do we stop wanting (craving) to feel good (a dopamine release)? Doesn’t everyone want to feel rewarded, excited & happy? For most people, the reward centre is stimulated & dopamine released by activities like music / family / material possessions / “the white picket fence” / hobbies etc but for addicts, those things do nothing. Does being sober mean the rest of your life will be spent feeling flat, unsatisfied (like Pavlov’s poor dogs) & numb because the pleasure centre just isn’t being rewarded in an effective enough way to release dopamine? Avoiding triggers is easy enough but having not experiencing a dopamine release isn’t anything to look forward to.
- 15 yrs of sobriety & still looking for something else to fill the void 🙄
This is a good (and complex topic). In short the dopamine rush in active addiction is artificially higher than what nature ever intended. So after quitting normal pleasures seem pretty lame. Over time the brain will reset and normal pleasures will become very satisfying. Be aware of the difference between pleasure (dopamine spike that will always wear off) and happiness ( the warm feeling of doing a good job, after helping others, being proud of what you have done, etc) - they are very different. There is a whole science of positive psychology that helps people learn to be happy - check it out.
Dr Coleman
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 that makes sense completely! Thank you for taking the time to reply. I’ve got 15 yrs of sobriety yet my brain seems determined not to reset so most of this time has been spent feeling resentful. I care for 2 immediate family members with complex Autism which complicates things.
I wish there was a Coleman institute in Australia or I knew how to teach myself this science of positive psychology 🤔
Best Wishes
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 does Suboxone blunt dopamine release? Is there any benefit of being on naltrexone instead of stable on eg 4mg of Suboxone?
You have to start to do things that are fun!
Are you in great physical shape?
Getting the opioid replacement therapy drugs is still just another addiction to contend with, but still better than being in real Pain and sick as all hell .
The cravings like while on the stuff go away after abstinence. They do pop up every once in awhile, but no way near as bad. The more time off. The more your brain can think it through. Especially as time goes on and you keep yourself healthy and busy.
I was hardcore on for 14 years. Off almost 2 years. One thing is for sure. The future is uncertain; better prepare.
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my craving, a lifelong cravi g went away at 65 with buprenorphine. Ill take it till i die and im thrilled to have it. i even cared for mu addicted sister tor three tears and her oxy addiction. Not one craving. And she had liver failure.
Im a long time heroin user then i injured my lower back and got prescribed morphine --(90mg) a day for last 26 years.. my doctor decided he wasnt going to prescribe my morphine anymore , im on high dose of methadone daily now, i can tell you right now --the cravings haven't gone away , and may never go..... , an old mate of mine has been clean from heroin for 8 years now, he still says that he craves getting back on it to this day, his love for kids are the only thing stopping him becoming a full blown addict again....when clean from drugs- it only takes one bad decision to be right back on it again.... Heroin is one helluva drug but😜🤔🤘👍..
I’ve been on Norco for 17 years & I just can’t quit them…I get violently sick during withdrawal…there’s no way I can completely free myself in just a couple of weeks of not using….I have a problem & Kaiser Permanente is creating addicts by the handful every single day…I have finally decided to make an appointment @your Orange County, California office…I have to do something…thanks for listening.
p.s…I’ve tried Suboxone & it made me very ill…
Are they still doing this?
I dont have cravings at all. I actually get reminded by withdrawal not craving
no cravings? HOW????
I will also say that after several hundred AA/NA meetings, I've found that at a certain point, 12 step meetings don't help anymore. I can't count how many meetings I went to that after several weeks just turned into an ever rotating series of "war stories" about the worst times using, etc. What I noticed was almost an equal obsession for avoiding alcohol and/or drugs develop in some people. Which makes me think that at a really primal level, all of us in one way or another don't quite fit in and find our way to substances that make us feel comfortable and in my case "normal" relative to my true sober/clean baseline in social settings. That was the true initial draw of painkillers. I got the same anti-anxiety effect with a better buzz and fewer people could tell, I could drive and I remembered everything and didn't get belligerent like happens with alcohol.
For me, the all or nothing of 12 steps hasn't worked so far. Perhaps at some point I'll have another revelation that in fact, I can't do anything in any amount if I want to progress in life. I haven't found that to be a workable solution. Like it or not, social gatherings and alcohol/weed are ever present especially in legal weed states. I never liked alcohol like i liked opiates so it hasn't been a problem for me. I could see how it could become one though. Legal weed has helped me a lot personally though. I haven't replaced it because if i'm low on weed i don't consider selling a kidney to get money to do so like i did with opiates. Kidding but only kinda.
There's a balance and trying to find it is not for everyone just like the 12 steps aren't a cure-all for everyone. We each have our own motivations for using and unless you find other coping mechanisms and other directions to focus that energy, in my experience, relapse is guaranteed. You have to have a plan for what you're going to do with all the time and money you now have since you're not spending every waking hour and useful thought on trying to find the next fix. Meditation helps a lot. Don't let anyone tell you that the way you're approaching sobriety won't work unless they're right. Like everything, it's a spectrum. Some people go full throttle no matter what substance it is, some people go full throttle only one one substance, some on a few, some don't ever allow themselves to get TOO truly carried away. Absolute abstinence for me was as realistic for all substances was as realistic as abstinence for sex is in the age of Tinder and Instagram.
Barnes and Noble huh
I can agree with everything...sober is different for everyone. I have decided I self medicated for 25years for a reason. I can't ever imagine myself being 100 percent sober. Sometimes we gotta find a good medium or find a manageable level..this is difficult because it's a progressive disease. Especially for pain patents
Great job Doc..... you're doing awesome work
Thanks for sharing that Knowledge. Best Wishes
I got through hydrocodone withdrawal using a very slow tapering method. 24 years chronic neck pain and arthritis. But now my pain is crippling, I wish to get advice for people really using it for pain and what to do for pain.
Congrats on getting off. This is the same thing with me. I’m not taking more than prescribed but even when I do stop for a week my pain is so bad I can’t do a whole lot. My best guess is to try long acting drugs like morphine er or hydro er. In my personal experience I don’t get any altered state from that.
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It's the anxiety that makes me relapse especially when starting buprenorphine. I went 3 weeks last month with no opiates but yet again the anxiety made me relapse. I did take subutex for that 3 weeks though. Feel like I'm never gonna get off this crap.
I know your struggles brother! I got off oxy december last year, and I'm currently on Suboxone. For me the Suboxone took my crawings away after about a month/month and a half .
It's a long time, but trust me, it is worth it and you will be happy with yourself once you have done it
@@michelleduplooymalherbe2837 don't mind me asking but where are you located? Can you cut down on your subs for a few days just to help a little. I went back on oxy for 3 days last month not realising it would put me back to square one again with trying to introduce the subs. It was a nightmare. I hope your going to be OK.. lessons learnt for taking too much eh?
It took me a long time to get stable on Suboxone. I am tapering off and am down to 3mg daily from 12mg originally. First I started with the liquid handcuffs because that's all the insurance I had when I checked into the clinic would cover until a few months in when I switched to one that would cover Suboxone. Then I had to switch from Methadone to Suboxone. NOT fun. Worth it? 100000%. The anxiety has always been my main motivation. There's things you can do and should do to mitigate that. Ideally, a good doctor will prescribe you some benzos to take the edge off the anxiety. There's also kratom which can help some if used as a true thing to step down with not as a replacement.
THE BIGGEST and hardest decision is that you're actually done with opiates. Rock bottoms and "a-ha" moments can come at any time. It doesn't have to be that you end up in a gutter, homeless and waking up to a homeless person pissing in your face and telling you it's raining. It can be a moment when a close friend, family member or significant other gives that look of overwhelming concern coupled with the profound helplessness they feel in trying to help you stop yourself from destroying yourself in real time in front of their eyes. Until I got stable on Suboxone i truly wasn't clear headed enough to realize how much anxiety I'd caused those that love me.
The worst withdrawal cannot compare to the anxiety I caused my family and friends and girlfriends. When the worst part of physical withdrawal hits you, try to remember that what you're experiencing is a fraction of the anxiety you've caused anyone that cares about you. It's made it easier to give me the motivation boost I need to not make a phone call and go back to the terrible task at hand with renewed determination. My suffering pales in comparison to the suffering I've caused just in worry for my family. Don't know if that helps, but throwing it out there. Godspeed and good luck!
Kratom but it’s just another addiction
Thank you for you’re interesting information that is helpful 😊
Yes , they do go away. I can attest. I was a full blown junkie just 6 years ago and now I wouldn't go near that poison for anything. No cravings, ever.
However, cocaine still plays tricks on my brain and even though I didn't particularly like it, I sometimes will crave that high, that buzz, the rush. It's always been that way for me. Opiods took me down, but coke carved out a niche in my brain and it's still in there. Opioids aren't.
I don't agree at all, I think we are all different, I used heroin for 10 years, mostly in Thailand after the Vietnam war . At 25 I got sentenced to 15 years with 7 non parole, kicked heroin, got super fit and stayed off opioids for thirty years. I hit a brick wall with problems about 5 years ago and craved narcotics like I just stopped yesterday, went back to using and now fighting it with Suboxone. If you have been a full on addict your brain never forgets.
@@anthonypress5137 I wish you the best getting clean and eventually off the subs. I'm sorry you had the relapse. And we are all different. I was just sharing my experience. I didn't mean to imply opiods don't cause cravings later on in life at all. I'm actually surprised that I don't crave them anymore. It's just that for some reason cocaine still tugs at me to this day. I fight it when I'm down and having a bad day or week.
I also focused on health and fitness and am now in the best shape of my life at 49.
Also, thank you for your service in Vietnam. I have the utmost respect for the soldiers who fight wars regardless of whether or not I agree with the reasons we are fighting them. Thanks for your message, too.
sir May I ask you why u go to jail= 15 years at jail? my god. Thanks for your story@@anthonypress5137
Dr. Coleman’s Virginia location is the most comfortable clinic to detox. I have went through the accelerated detox for opioids twice there. And 7 or 8 naltrexone replacement implants. The staff is caring, the place itself is comforting, and their entire approach makes the process very manageable. I have also detoxed twice and did 5 naltrexone replacement chips at their Cherry Hill, New Jersey location and it was very unpleasant. Mostly due to the inexperienced, snub and unsympathetic director in addition to a typical textbook clueless counselor who was barley 25 with no relatable experience, but would speak to you like you do a child, no matter your age. She referred to me, my mother and my father in the same demeaning yet inaccurate and uneducated manner. I will not name either one. It is unnecessary. However I will mention Dr. Sue from there, because she perfected the surgical procedure every single time with barely any scarring or long term scar tissue buildup thereafter. In addition to just being pleasant and caring. Perhaps this was a factor when I wonder why the Cherry Hill location was shut down recently. An amazing clinical blueprint just placed into the wrong hands? Idk.
This comment is in no way my intention to talk badly about the Coleman Institute. My experiences there laid the groundwork for my journey to recovery, which took over 10 years of battling with endless detoxes and rehabs, only after 12 years of heavy drug use before that. I simply have so much praise for their first and oldest facility in Virginia. After my first time going through the process, I put together over 2.5 years of complete sobriety. Which was unimaginable for me after 12 years of straight use. Their accelerated detox works! It’s not painless but it’s completely manageable. If you have ever gone through just 12 hours of strong withdrawals, the detox will be a walk in the park for you. Because even the most uncomfortable stages will be a breeze if you have ever experienced withdrawals. If you have no idea what withdrawals are, then you can certainly expect serious discomfort. Unless you have only been using for a short period of time. Then you’ll be just fine. The longer you use, the more discomforting the process. So if you have been using drugs a year or two, and don’t wanna throw another 15 years away, get to a Coleman location ASAP.
In conclusion, your in great hands with the Coleman Institute. If your already traveling to get to a location, then travel to the one in Virginia. It’s their home base. And they’ll make you feel right at home there.
Ive been using 26years and have always been a functional user , spinal pain and nerve pain what stopped me at times..
Buprenorphine? I've been on hydrocodone 7.5 for 11 years for chronic leg pains I take as prescribed no more no less now my doctor wants to try me on this medicine for my leg pains it seems like it would be more addictive??
It is addictive after 1 week use and hard to stop and WD last a long time. It's great for jumping off other stuff but do some research
Graduation thank you 😊 for this video helpful this will help people ❤
You're 100% right sir
if it seems mysterious, then that’s what educational research is for
Fantastic knowledge
In withdrawal, time seems to slow down, like living every pain filled minute, no sleep, no energy, terrible leg cramps, unbelievable cravings, also panic, fear, and a feeling of 'there is no end in sight' to this awful, painful, emotional pit of despair, don't try and do a home detox, you will just end up scoring, and as you feel like you're dying, you wont die, what's the answer?
Are you going through it right now?? I really want to quit but the pain you described are exactly what's keeping me stuck to this bloody habit. These days I don't even get high I use it to stay normal. Really hate myself for falling into this trap.
Yes that's crazy how time flys when feeling good and slows down 10x when detoxing. Terrible. Worst sick feeling in the world. I can handle it ALL but the lack of sleep kills me. I go back
just found this guy he seems phenominal
Why would you want to get on another drug after getting off of one? Especially one that is even harder to get off of? Sounds like the pharmaceutical companies making money or addicts to me.
UA-cam is a drug too. The algorithm is killing me.
Hi Dr. Does naltrexone help with cravings? And would u recommend abstaining from Kratom for several days before starting naltrexone ?
I honestly dont understand how anyone is successful in opiate recovery without something like Suboxone.
..at least not someone who was in active addiction for 5 or more years. The depression remains present for so long that i cant see cravings ever going away.
EDIT: 8 months later and i am down from 12.3mg/daily Suboxone to 4mg. Today, I'm going to 3.5mg. i haven't been able to tell my doc that ive been self tapering because his mindset is that people should take it forever to stay off of opioids...but, hes not the one paying 175/mo for his 13 visits every year and 472/month for the Suboxone out of pocket
Lol that pet scan would light up if you showed me some nice codones or kratom. Hate being an addict. 15 years of opiate use and I quit like 4 years ago for close to a year, then one day on vacation I saw the word of my drug of choice “ kratom “ in a convenient store, a week later I went and bouyh some and of course got stuck on it again for this last 4 years and now on my journey of quitting, 6 days clean as of today. Body is feeling better but still have such low energy
25 years here. Self medicating. It's hard but I've really lived an amazing life
👏👍❤🤗😀🙂Thank you. ...hello from Norway
thank you very much sir ❤
Doc -- have you ever used heroin or any opioids to the extent that becoming addicted was a real possibility?
Your amazing ❤great video xx
Does ur brain heal while ur using opiates ?
No
Thank youu so much very helpful ❤😊
Clonidine and baclofen for withdrawal is good .
used to mix Vicodin and beer for years 'till the Purdue epidemic started. quit 6 years ago and cravings never go way. it's tolerable and I'm better off...tylenol and advil work.
if it’s related to insane acts, then that’s what therapy or counseling is for
If you develop high benzo or opioids tolerance over the year does it really go away over the years if you stop using them. I have thought that the tolerance stays there for ever.
This is only true with Gaba substances such as alcohol and benzos. Opioid tolerance always resets
@@brandonmanceau Thanks. Is there any studies about this. Link maybe?
What about if u don’t feel better sober? Or ur life is worse when ur off of the pills? Some ppl just feel better mentally on them.
Some ppls lives aren’t worthy feeling sober. And being in the pills can make them feel worthy. Able to socialize at work better and granted it isn’t safe I get that but if a person wants to have these why can’t thsi be allowed legally?
If that’s the life they want to live and feel valid only on them why can there be a way to allow a person to buy the pills and let them lvoe they’re lives. If they are taking them responsibly is the scenario I wanna give off here. And not even a hug does perhaps Oxycodone 5 mgs or hydro 5mg nothing huge. Again damage or not if the person just wants it for they’re mental status let the havebit.! Is there such a way?? Can u get this exact same feeling any other way??? Otherwise answer that pls? For someone who has no desire to quit and again just wants that stimulation or feeling what can they take? To get that feeling?? Again some ppl just want to take them for the happiness the opiate gives! Js saying something i know most ppl will not say out here I’ll do it then!! And pls no comments about the dangers and things that are bad and this and that. Just answer the questions pls
Bro, I totally get this...totally holidaygirl. And I truly live a good and fulfilling life while medicated. The only issue..only...is finances. People should be able to buy or get prescribed what they need to be happy and survive. I've been in "pain management " poorly for 20+ years...I've never overdosed or robbed or pawned stuff for drugs. It's just sick. They need to legalize opiates. Stop the ill legal fentanyl from coming in and let people be happy and safe...the stupid will wean themselves out in a matter of years..try kratom if u haven't yet..it works
First of all, you are destroying your kidsneys and liver (and other organs). Second, opioids destroy your life in long term (in short can help with depression, anxiety, etc...). Look at a cigarrette smoker, he is "happy" smoking. Trust me, nothing good comes from that shit.
if it’s related to pain, then that’s what pain killers are for
no other chemicals ? not even coffee
No they don't Eva go away for some..
if one does not know then that’s what education is for
if it’s related to pain, then that’s what being sober is for
What opioid are u taking?
Medisin?
if it’s related to pain, then that’s what marijuana is for
Marijuana is only helpful for certain types of mild/moderate pain. It will never be enough for severe/ acute chronic pain. Opioids are here for a reason and they are necessary in certain instances.