Porsche Macan EV Full Technical Deep Dive! Revealing Everything - Battery, Charging, Chassis, & More
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- Kyle traveled to Leipzig, Germany - the birthplace of the electric Porsche Macan, to meet with engineers to learn everything possible about the new Macan EV! Here's the full technical breakdown of PPE and specifically the Porsche adaptation of this platform with the Macan EV.
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0:00 - Hello & Welcome
2:04 - 3 Macan EV Prototypes
3:10 - What Is Macan EV?
6:58 - My Leipzig Visit Experience
10:00 - Battery Pack
23:31 - AC & DC Charging
35:25 - Motors / Suspension / Chassis
42:25 - My Track Session In Macan EV Turbo
48:52 - Performance Driving Impressions
54:00 - Off-Road Driving Impressions
57:12 - Software / Route Planner / HUD
1:04:01 - Final Thoughts / Summary
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It’s a long one but lots of info! I just spoke to an engineer about the heat scavenging situation and it actually sounds like the macan *will* heat scavenge! Apparently whoever I spoke to didn’t realize. Good news!
Excellent!
I am sure you will be disappointed by its performance and drift ability. Surely it will be worse than taycan
So what happens if it’s colder than -30 C? It get’s colder than that where I live in Montana
@@rcktmnit will probably heat the battery to preserve itself even when not being driven. Some other EVs employ this strategy as well
@@IvanNedostal Yes you can pack more energy in a prismatic format than a cylendical but for themal rundown cylendical is the best choice for performance ev.
Such an awesome overview! Putting traditional media outlets to shame.
An SUV drifting so easily like a sharp knife just feels wrong. Congratulations Porsche!! 🤩
For once. A real and truly detailed and truly correct technical assessment. From me you get 5 stars for this. I wish all review channels had this level of detail. Maybe a short intro with top points , then the detail but otherwise, amazing and thank you.
Finally a Porsche Macan EV video 🙌 Thanks so much. Will enjoy watching this tomorrow. Its night time here in Norway 🇳🇴 but will be popcorn time tomorrow after work with this Porsche video 😋
Love the PPT presentation visual. So many videos talk about something but never show it. We need more of this!
Thank You for this info , amazing trip you were able to take! Your ability to educate us is outstanding.
Awesome in-depth tech coverage for the once-in-a-lifetime replatforming of transportation - great work!
A paradigm shift
Porsche Macan was always my dream car and recently I am more and more excited about EV so this could be my ultimate dream car
Wow, thanks for such a detail-rich summary Kyle. Macan EV looks absolutely awesome - if the smaller suv size fits the daily use requirement.
Kyle, thank you for so much details!
Kyle, still going strong. never stop. your excitement for EVs is infectious. Macan looks like a great value in a Porsche. I just hope they nail the quality. Taycan forums are littered with very concerning complaints about random HVAC failures and assorted other issues right down to door cards rattling.
you have no idea how random this is for me. The taycan of my parents decided to stop heating yesterday (4 degrees celsius outside) and I thought this was just a 1 in a million mistake, as the taycan has been an absolute blast until now. Gonna look into it because on such an expensive car, this is embarassing.
Actually on of you best videos! I really like this concept of video. Really great video 👍
Good work Kyle! Appreciate all the details.
top review, love the in-depth stuff, thank you so much for posting this!
32:30 my guess is they use the 6kW heater for heating up the battery coolant which then if equipped with Liquid cooled condenser, can bring the refrigerant to better temperature range for effective heat pump refrigerant zone. If equipped with air cooled condenser, then relies on ambient temp as refrigerant fluid can still scavenge energy from ambient < 0degC, although depending on refrigerant fluid if r1234yf can degrade below -10C Ambient. Heat Pump with r1234yf takes quite a long time to warm up cabin and battery at
O'wow.
I'm keen at this one - my future purchase.
Finally! This is the EV I have been waiting for
The 180s1p configuration makes the Porsche battery more vulnerable to single cell failures, than most (all?) other EVs that have at least two cells in parallel. If one cell (due to fault) degrades 50%, the total battery capacity would go down 50% as well (until replaced). The relatively low voltage also suggests to me that they have plans for a larger battery in the future, with even more cells in series, by adding 2-4 of those 15s1p modules somewhere, like under the rear seat that Audi did on the Q8 e-tron.
what a great piece of German engineering this is. Hope it has the same level of exciting telemetry as the looks.
You can tell the gentleman in the intro is actually going hard, he is so focused!
A dealer told me recently the new (facelift) Taycan will have a 106kw usable battery .. seems to tally up with that 23% density improvement. Also dealers are being told to move their charging stations onto the public side of their property rather than the private side, which obviously makes them far more accessible. Bang on re the journey planner, plug 'n charge, reliability, active route planning ... bingo ... meanwhile, back at the used car ad's .....
A very good and very detailed initial review. Thank you!
great video as always!
20:27 the battery's power will not just be "burnt" in order to get it to a lower SOC, but the discharge electricity will be used to actively cool it
Cell manufacturer will be CATL, cells to be produced near Erfurt, which is less than 150 km from Leipzig
Both infos according to Electrive, german edition
Are you sure CATL is going to make NCM811 cells in Germany? I think LG announced that they are enforcing their IPR against Chinese battery makers on high nickel batteries earlier this year. I always thought that was why China focused so much on LFP for export instead.
This is awesome. Looking at this for my next car (currently own a Taycan).
Nice video waiting for the exact launch date in Holland
Great video, Kyle!
175 Wh/kg at pack level is pretty decent. Actually prismatic cells have good energy density and usually good power density as well. Pouch is the least preferred due to manufacturing complexities
I think a main concern of prismatic cells are cost, but VW group has so much volume that the cost benefits of having high volume can almost balance out the increased costs of prismatic cells
And expansion / safety issues
Plaid has 186 wh/kg.
Prismatic have decent ability to push the limits of packaging and attempt to use as little auxiliary equipment and material as possible. Quite sure that is pack density including thermal management.
@@mhsohel47🥱😴
I waited so long for this.
Hey Kyle, i love your videos. Now knowing that you spent so much time at Porsche. Do you have some infos on the rumored 3 motor taycan?? Would love to hear more about it.
The Porsche center at 2:50 has an Evil Galactic Empire vibe
Taycan daily recommended charge level is 85%. I use 80%. It’s displayed in the mobile app.
Is there really no easy way to set it?
I think the etron gt can set it.
so going to enjoy this vid.......all been waiting a long while.....thx Kyle. I truly hope its so much better than Audi Q EVs.
Great detail info! I want one.
Great video and I love the nerd out content! I appreciate your viewpoint coming from a Tesla owner to push Porsche on this EV journey.
Gotta have NACS
Superb content. Didn’t fast forward any of it. 2021 Porsche Cayenne S owner. Think this might be my next car.
The cells are made by CATL and assembled in Germany per Autocar India channel
I like the long deep diving videos.
Hello Kyle. Thank you for the video.
Is there an information available how many charging cycles for battery, what is expected battery capacity degradation within the time?
Thank you.
when i saw this but no one else uploaded anything.... did they release this before they were suppose to? either way i'm downloading this
Thanks for the video. Were you able to get any info on the towing capacity? Or would that be something the Macan won't be able to do?
If they want to sell any of these in their own home market, it had better be able to tow something!
22kw onboard charger would probably be more relevant for european customers. Especially in public spaces 22kw chargers are very common here (at least in germany thats the case)
Great job! It’s good to have another ev option. I was expecting a better design like Taycan.
The car has still camouflage 😉
it would be awesome if Porsche could make a really efficient model like an Eco RWD base model. Give it the single motor from the Macan EV 4 trim and include 255 width 19in aero wheels all around. I assume that should boost the range by 10% over the base 4 model. If they can manage 300 miles of highway range that would be incredible along with its stupid fast charging
How would you spec this if you were buying one? Spec, wheel size, tire etc? Thoughts on this vs Polestar 3 and Lotus Eletra ?
When will you be long range testing it in the US, Kyle?
A future 22kW charging option was mentioned.
Indeed, does this require a hardware change or addition?
Amazing!
In the market to buy, would you choose Cayenne e-hybrid or wait for macan ev based on what you know at this point? Great video.
Not Kyle, but I think they're two wildly different missions.
Macan is for people who want/need a sporty hatch back, but want something bigger/more capable than a Golf (GTI/R). It handles and rides very nicely (not as good of handling as a Golf or sports sedan).
The Cayenne is a midsized SUV with a LOT more interior volume and the ability to tow 7000+lbs. It is larger and heavier making it less useable in the city and handles more like a traditional SUV than a large hatchback. It's also at least $20k more expensive than a similar Macan.
Loved the trying not to spew face!
Will the entry-level model have the option of rear-wheel steering?
Great first take Kyle. I just saw a European youtuber track testing the new Ioniq 5 N and it definitely gave me OG GTR vibes! Can't wait to see it in a comparison with the Macan from a performance standpoint.
Hi Kyle, it was a very good video - thank you. Btw, how old are you? (you mentioned at one portion of the video that you are young generation and want high-tech in a car)
Do you think they went with prismatic cells so they can swap for QS Solid State cells later when production ramps up?
does not matter much with a module based system.
Packaging for modules most likely. Prismatic is bit of a "Well hiw good is it? Well how good they engineered it". Since prismatic is pretty much the custom world of cells. They come in all kinds of shapes and sizes depending on what one orders.
Prismatic get bad rep many old early cells were prismatic and lousy. The tech inside is no different to cylinders, just different form factor packaging.
Many start ups use cylinders, since you can source them as standard part from market.
Many legacy industrial players use "prismatic" since place large enough order and you get them on exactly the physical size you want. Battery supplier will cast the box to exact specification and then just cut and fold the battery cell sandwich to meet that size.
Tesla uses cylinders, since they started with laptop cylinder cells and they have production partnership with the major cylinder cell maker Panasonic.
Neither is right or wrong. More hiw you engineer ones usage of them and the details of the exact cellsone uses. Specially with "prismatic" since there is no standard to prismatic cells. There is very excellent prismatic cells and very lousy prismatic cells.
When will it be available in the US? Thank you Kyle.
Havent been able to watch entire video but do they have plans to be compatible with NACS? Thanks
there's already internal plans for it but no official announcements yet
Did you ever do an in depth description of Taycan like this ? that would be awesome since taycan is mentioned in the video
What about the driver assistance packages?
I love all your videos, especially the nerdy ones.
Thanks for the details Kyle, the best video out there about Macan. As a skier and kiteboarder I'm not ready to go as big as R1S before having kids, so eagerly waiting this car to be my roadtripper and daily use combo upgrading from M3. It's a shame that they don't offer heat scavenging but I can live with that. 10-80 charging speed is the highest prority. With my 2019 M3 Performance the biggest problem I've got in Tahoe is that I can't precondition the battery without having to turn on the AC and burn the cabin with the defroster after a long skiing day. It's almost never enough at least with my car to precondition for 5-20 mins to the closest supercharger to get charging speeds over 50kw. Battery is almost always freezing, then you get stuck in a charger for more than an hour at 30kw charging speeds (which almost never improves during charging). It's just terrible. For the Route Planner pretty much all of them are useless for me after having to pay for charging (somehow managed to get by 4 years for free. ) Tesla route planner does not take charging $$$ into account. As if it's the most insignificant parameter but it definitely is not for any income level! On the way from Tahoe to SF rates differ dramatically from 50c to 20c. It's like opting to get $10/gal fuel vs $4/gal fuel which might be 3 mins futher. This is definitely something to be talked about. I get it’s better to influence behavior and reduce stress on the grid, but I wish Tesla offered some sort of subscription for not having to even think about demand charges. Anyhow not gonna keep ranting here, fantastic video, looking forward to testing the car!
He commented after that it does have heat scavenging. He learned this when doing the range test recently.
Love Porsche ❤
Just came across your channel. Great technical explanations and depth. I’ll be back. And I can’t wait to trade in my Macan S for an electric Macan.
"Smiles per mile" is really good metering value. :D
How is the app? Will it be keyless, can you use your phone and leave the key at home?
Great b-roll. Was this provided by Porsche or... Jordan? A lot of it reminded me of Jordan's style.
VR demos sound like a great way to prevent leaks.
hi Kyle could you make a comparison to the IONIQ 5 N?
Kyle, when are you posting the full review on the GLE450 that you did a range test on a few months ago…
Any idea if they will switch to NACS?
Trying to understand the following: on the one hand they’ve been saying PPE/Macan EV is 800V, but now official specs say “rated voltage” is really only 662V? I hope they elaborate on that huge 180-765V “operating voltage” range soon.
Magnificent
I was wondering about the heat scavenging, carmaniac had a drive with it and reported insane efficiency, like Model Y level …
I had a gut feeling that you were teasing the Macan EV on twitter! But I was questioning that because the refreshed Panamera just came out, and I thought maybe Porsche wanted to separate those press releases out a little bit more
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Will it have OTA updates?
how is the heat management on the track! compared to tesla especially?
Who was the fellow doing the track session? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen him doing i4 m50 video on Nurburgring.
What is that behind you in your office on the shelf that looks like a mint green Land Rover Series / Defender?
Could it be that they're preparing for QS physiomatic cells that are solid state and would have that problem
Hi Kyle, where does Tesla mention the v4 will output 1000v? Given cyber truck can split battery for 400v charging why would they natively supply 1000v for v4 super charger?
oh man, i might get rid of my model y for this....
Any idea of the range ?
Where’s the DCFC install and review videos? I’m anxiously and impatiently waiting. 😂
When will announcement happen?
Wow I love it 🤯🤯🤯
EV6 GT not similar for track/fun?
No definitive NACS plans as yet but they did at least put the charge port location in a very convenient Tesla-like place. Should make it easier after converting later.
maybe they can increase the boost over the air update?
theoretically yes. but why should they. the boost is depending on maximum temperature of the copper windings in the motor, electronics,.... you can't change the hardware with a software update. other companies might not keep an eye on wear out limits but a porsche should have a high reliability.
maybe a tuner can do this but then you would lose the warranty.
Imagine what the depreciation will be like on these... Used EV sales are tanking like sales of old laptops, old cell phones, etc...
Currently have a loaner taycan while my macan is in for service. Drives beautifully, but the infrastructure for charging conveniently is NOT available in my area. It has been a nightmare and I can’t wait to get my ICE GTS back!
Any word about the new ADAS? The Macan definitely has a newer generation of ADAS compared to the Taycan (new radars, new wide angle front camera etc).
Also, the Macan is supposed to get Mobileye Supervision in the near future (some news sources were saying around 2025)
Pretty sure the adas software is part of the delay since has been written from ground by cariad.
@@evkx from what i've heard it's actually been due to their new electrical architecture, that allows all the components in the car to communicate more easily. Previously, all their suppliers did that software work, but now that they brought that in house, it's been a challenge because it's something they've never done before
@@nickbien yes, and ADAS is probably the most complex part of it
@@evkx when reviewers were doing test drives of the Audi q6 e-tron in august, lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control were operational, and the Macan ev should use a very similar system to the Q6 e-tron, so I don't think they were having too much trouble with the ADAS software.
@@nickbien yes, but if you look to brands like Xpeng (see test from Bjørn) their Adaptive Cruise is operational but terrible. The Same Tesla has promised FSD now for ever.
Excellent. How about dog mode / keep cimate on functionality? Did they extend the max timer limit from the existing product?
Need to be on tesla channel
@@hadtobe4502 😀
I suggest that Porsche should be giving you a commission or you should do so good videos. I just ordered a Macan Turbo 👍😊😊
Very cool and needed EV for Porsche!
Hi Kyle
You've mentioned quite early that 22 mins ish is very respectful for 70 kW inputted
Have you ever tried to test charging speed to fill 50 kW for every car you've tested?
At least 50 kW could give you 160-220 miles driving range
Nvm
Come to think again the 10% challenge already shows most of it
Yeah, I think the 10% challenge (15 minute challenge) is probably a more practical / pragmatic demonstration of the ability to onboard energy for road trips. 70kwh on the Macan EV might be equivalent range to 40kwh on a Lucid or Model 3.
*kWh
Just a correction..its kWh, not kW
This will sell well.
Porsche say anything about NACS support through an adapter ?
In terms of the non-EV Macan, do you suspect it will have the same interior as the EV one, or will it continue with the current interior design, or is it going to be all-new for both EV & gas? Thanks
The ICE model will stay the same no more updates
When you consider what 80 Amps means to a standard home, I don't think we're going to go there. Homes in America have 200 A service and it's sometimes hard to accommodate standard L2 chargers in these homes. Nobody, not literally but figuratively, is going to pay to upgrade their home to a 400 A service to install an 80 A charger.
If you are charging at home, it means you didn’t drive that much and you wouldn’t need an 800 charger. You just need a regular one. Only on the road does super fast charging with 800kw make any sense.