The Fate of the Persecutors: What happened to Joseph Smith's Enemies
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- What became of those who persecuted the Prophet Joseph Smith? Our job is not to judge their eternal welfare, but how did they fare in mortality? Did they obtain the world notoriety which they had sought? Or, did they end up getting what they had coming to them?
Governor Boggs' great-granddaughter joined the Church.
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I'm 73 and been in the church 1 year. I simply love the history of the restored church.....thank you for sharing.
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Welcome Brother! I love this time period history also
I gained a testimony of the gospel young, but rebelled as a teenager, yet have still enjoyed learning about church history over the years, by reading books like the Storm Testament Series and The Porter Rockwell Chronicles, and listening to historians like Tom. I really enjoy church history stories and have a deep respect for those early saints, especially the Prophet Joseph. This info about Or@n Hyde is new to me and really hit home... as I have been inactive most my life, and still have a "disfellowshipped" status concerning my membership after fouling up a temple marriage almost 20 yrs ago now. I try hard to be forgiving of those who persecute me for opposite reasons than Brother Joseph was persecuted obviously, but nevertheless persecuted, for my mistakes. My question is how I can come back, when I have messed up so badly in life. I have really made a mess and have no idea how I will face the Saints when I die. Its something I am truly ashamed of and can't believe has happened. I'm so embarrassed, even though I know I'm a good guy, who is helpful and friendly and kind, but far from having any order to my life now that I've got children from two marriages plus some accidental ones in between. I don't even know what to do anymore its such a disgrace to my family and my heritage. I'm trying to take solace from how the Orson Hyde story turned out I guess... thanks for the great channel keep up the good work.
There is a away back and would be welcomed back , Jesus Christ wants you back he knows you and your heart , we all have reason for repentance every day so you’re not alone . Don’t look back if it’s your desire to be brethren again and receive the blessings that are waiting for you and the strength in struggle. It’s your salvation if you do choose.
@@gavindegraw2811 Dear Brother Gavin. My life has similar events. I know we can make it back. Why I love that Heavenly Father had Christ do the story of the Prodigal son. Also Alma the younger...The book Peace Giver and Christian Book made for movie Fireproof( good also) called Love Dare. Is a 40 day cycle of things to do to get back right with God and hopefully our families. It isnt easy. But making Christ smile by us returning, and needs to be parimount in our thinking and actions. Come what may with rest.. I'm speaking to myself also. Thanks for being open. May God bless us both Brother. I'm thinking your Ancestors are nudging you. And thou are trying to connect to them which is a good thing studying Church history.
I am the great great great grandson of Francillo Durfee 1812-1871! Member of the Mormon Battalion! I am also a convert to the church of five years! I know a lot about my grandfather. But I bet you could tell me a lot more about him! My wife and I are going to be coming to Utah soon. I need to talk to you!
This video just randomly popped on to my UA-cam recommended videos. At first I thought, "Dang an hour? I dunno if I wanna invest a whole hour." I'm glad I watched it. The hour flew by. Ur a good egg. Keep it up.
Thanks very much! I am glad that you enjoyed it.
This video kept popping up over and over on my feed too, but I’m going to watch it now 😊
Tom, thank you for your commitment to the pursuit of history. It's hard work. You represent it well.
I appreciate that!
I really enjoyed this, especially hearing of the forgiveness of Joseph and the others!
I look forward to meeting Joseph one day and thank him for what he did. What a humble servant. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and blessing others
I agree, that will be a great day.
@@jamiem2444 What about Jesus? I think Joseph would prefer you meet Jesus first.
Amo mucho a Jose Smith , cuanta luz he recibido por El....
I love your channel. Such a wonderful "oasis" from what is going on in 2020.
Thank you for your kind words.
I’m so grateful for the atonement. You can change your mind today and be forgiven. How beautiful the mercy of our lord and glory of our God!
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I love listening to your stories. Faith promoting and inspiring especially when things get out of perspective. Thank you Bro. Tom. Keep it up
Thank you so much Brother Petite. I am unable to attend church at this time of my life (I am 76) and I totally appreciate your lessons.
Thank you for watching!
I read the book Fate of the Persecutors of Joseph Smith, one of the greatest reasons I gained a testimony of the prophet...
I read it too. It was obviously written in a time before the existence of the internet, when scholars had a very much harder job gathering and verifying information.
The book recounts much harsher and imaginative fates than what is in this video, but the wild stories in the book are conjured up. As for testimonies, the foundation should be spiritual rather than intellectual experiences.
Ford comparing himself to pilate and Herod, says like them he will be linked to an imposter. That indicates to me Ford thought Joseph Smith, like Jesus, was an imposter.
@@jzwillows first of all, Jesus was/is never an impostor but the “perfect, sinless” son of God. Impostor is someone who deceives;a cheat, fraud, sham, phony, hypocrite, etc. Ford likens himself to Pilate n Herod bc he, as governor, had political power like them, to protect the innocents from the mob but he failed. Their blood is on him. Haunted with guilt at not keeping his promise to protect Joseph, he “feels degraded.” He knows that he’d be dragged down to posterity with an immortal name etched on to the memory of a “miserable impostor.” He, Ford -guilt ridden-betrayed Joseph &clearly confesses that he’s the miserable impostor, (not Jesus nor Joseph). He’s his own judge &jury now he’s dying & lamenting his past sins of omission .
@@nefertariariki4936 My point was Ford states Jesus was an imposter.
In reference to Martin Van Buren, Wilford Woodruff said, “We will do his temple work when his cause is just.” It was many decades before the Church finally did his temple work.
I enjoy the respectful comments that are shared to all. With all that is going on in the world it's important to keep in mind who is at the helm. Our Father in Heaven loves each of us so completely and always wants what's best for each of us as his individual children. Keeping close to him on a daily assignment shows our Father in Heaven how very much we Love him and want to learn to become more like him. There's not a day that goes by in which we should be grateful for the blessings we are blessed to have been given from our Father In Heaven. I say this with all my. ❤. In the name of Jesus Christ Amen
Orson Hyde is my 5th Great GrandFather! A lot of great stories about him!
thats so cool!
James Allred was sent by Brigham Young to settle Sping City Utah and Orson Hyde come to Spring City and this is where he died and his home is still standing. Spring City is my hometown.
Cool
Mormonism is nothing if not storytelling....but your founder was also known for telling tall tales, lol.
@@edriley1516 Big time.
I have this book. I'm about half way thru it. TONS of interesting tidbits, and more than a few mind-blowing testimonies.
Could you send me the soft copy if you have?
How hilarious you actually believe Gen. Washington appeared to some dude? Oh my god, that is just hilarious
Thank you so much for sharing those great early history of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints .What a blessing it is for me and those who are seeking the truth . The Prophet Joseph Smith is and was a true Prophet Of our Savior Jesus Christ, he experienced horrific persecution but his love for all are immeasurable and eternal. He Joseph Smith junior reminds me of the father of the prodigal story who forgive his wayward son. For all those who separated themselves from the true Kingdom of God , I invite you to come back.I have felt the spirit of the Lord as you speak and testified brother Tom.
I fully agree and am very grateful for this information and have felt the Spirit testifying of its truth.
If anyone would "end up getting what they had coming to them", we'd all be in sad shape. But for the atoning blood of Jesus, we'd all be sentenced to an eternity separated from God.
I love church history. Thank you for making this available so I can watch it. Keep up the great work and keep sharing these amazing history for more generations to come. Thank you!!
I just spent an amazing time listening to this video. what talent you have & so freely share it with us ;Thousand thank you Brother Pettit.
Thank you very much Tom. I have enjoyed a lot of explanations about Orrin Porter Rockwell. It admired him that willingness to protect the Prophet. Thank you very much for explaining things you wouldn't know. I live in Brazil, in the city of Recife. Member converted in 1960. I'll look for news informations
Thank you Iraja!
This was wonderful! Thank you for sharing. My heart aches for the betrayals and persecution of Joseph Smith and the early Saints. May God bless them forever more!
And Brigham young too. Such misjudgements of that wonderful prophet. Saint,!
Hans mill always makes me ill to my stomach... The Lord does not forget
Wow, a true testimony builder! Truly inspiring and humbling! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
After watching this , I am reminded of how much I enjoyed my tour with you on my church history tour. My friend Sue and I had such a great time. We have thought maybe we should do it again. Have such great respect for your ability to tell stories.
Thank you. I guess everyone can be forgiven. We are to feel sorry for the persecutors. They really let Satan control them. They are to be pitied .
I guess I'll forgive Biden for stealing the election
@stick boi no one baptized Hitler.. know your facts first
@stick boi lol.. so you don't have official facts from the church... just some guy on UA-cam telling stuff
@stick boi
Your mom has mislead you, your words have the spirit of contention and contention is of the devil. Anti-Mormon disinformation opens dark portals and is a cult in of itself.
@stick boi Be careful with being another persecuter of the Prophet Joseph - a true prophet of God!
Another great work Brother!
For me personally, i couldn't thank our HEAVENLY FATHER and our BELOVED HEAVENLY MOTHER enough, for our Oldest Brother JESUS CHRIST, in obedience concerning the Greatest Plan of Salvation.
Faith promoting historical details. Thank God for this gift of the Spirit you have.
Thanks very much!
My Dear Father in Heaven ,, I am so thankful. For your 💘 father I come before thee very grateful father for our SAVIOR, I pray to thee father thanking Thee for this beautiful world that has been created for our stay as we are on our probation, I am so grateful for all those blessings in which you have BLESSED us with I pray to Thee in the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen
What? God hears you tube comments too?
Awesome! Loved this. So many things I didn’t know brought to light. Thank you Tom for your efforts to share with us truths about our beloved Prophet Joseph Smith.
Thanks very much!
Love your site, brother. Thank you for sharing this information!
My pleasure!
As for Stephen Douglas, another result of him turning his back on the Saint's was...no continuing posterity. He only had one daughter who never married.
I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing.
It appears he had a couple of sons who were married and had children.
If we don’t have posterity in this life there’s no blessing that will be denied us that we have lived worthily of everything will be restored to us Joel 2:25
I believe Joseph saw Orsons broken heart and contrite spirit.
Thanks for your videos, Brother; they are really faith promoting. Greetings from the Netherlands.
Glad you like them! Welcome from the Netherlands!
You have such a gift for story telling! It all comes to view right before our my eyes when you tell us a story. Thanks!
Thanks very much for the kind comments!
Thank you so much for a wonderful lesson. I absolutely love church history and was able to participate in a church history tour of the UK a few years back. It was amazing to be able to walk where the early missionaries had such phenomenal successes. Years ago I lived near Winter Quarters and one day ventured across the river and found myself in the Kanesville Tabernacle where I was able to get my hands on a copy of Oliver Cowdery's testimony that he gave after Orson Hyde allowed him to speak at a gathering in the tabernacle. Along with Elder Holland's famous testimony of the Book of Mormon, it is the most powerful testimony I have ever read coming from a leader of the church. Keep up the great work...more stories please!
Thanks Chris, and more stories are on their way! Thanks for sharing your experience too.
Great history. Joseph Smith had such a wonderful personality. A shame we have people who want to destroy good people in our society today as well. Another wonderful book about Joseph Smith was written by George Q. Cannon. Wonderfully written.
I love this and thank you for it and all the hard work you do to teach us our history! On a side note...I look up Martin Van Buren's election results and he actually won Missouri for both elections. But he did lose his second term as you said. Keep up the great videos!
"Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain."
I love it, perfect comment!
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agree! unlike our tithing is not in vain. we now have mega mall and 100 billion dollars of money for the rainy days.
@@magmcsa913 Tithing funds were not used to purchase the mall. The financial strength of the Church is an asset, not a liability.
Serious question for you. How much money have you donated to help make the world a better place in the last 12 months? How much in the last 10 years?
The Restored Church of Jesus Christ is in fact preparing for "the rainy days", as you put it. But along the way, they donated 2.5 BILLION dollars to about 200 different countries last year alone. In addition, they built meetinghouses, temples, and other buildings for members to strengthen their faith and as centers to learn how to become more like Jesus Christ. If that's not enough, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints donate billions annually to charity OUTSIDE of the church. They also donate hundreds of thousands of man hours each year to serve others.
So before you belittle the Church again for being successful, you might want to consider how they use and intend to use that success to bless the lives of people across the world we live in. That's really what it's all about. And I'm grateful to be able to participate in a very small way to that success.
Thank you for the story of Orson Hyde!! It follows the story of our scripture study this week that we all make mistakes and the Lord forgives us. Thank you!
You are so welcome!
Thank you for these talks. They are fascinating. I have learned even more about the persecutions that Joseph and the Saints faced.
Glad you like them!
Thank you for these stories. You present them in an enjoyable way.
Thanks Tom. For those of us with compromised energies who can't travel, this is perfect. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome information. Thank you! Love your channel and listening to the history of the church. You do great work!
Thank you very much for your kind words
Port always kept it 100. What a great guy to do that sit down time, pending a murder trial, to take the heat away from the many.
Seems the TRUTH, along with the peaceful followers of Jesus Christ have never been popular. The Government hasn't changed much. I look forward to the "boys from the mountains rescuing the Constitution" and setting up the Kingdom of God on the Earth, with the flag fluttering unsullied in the breeze. Actually the mob suffered horrific deaths for what they did. The Lord doesn't think very well on that kind of wickedness...and I think the fate of many today will see similar or the same judgements. But I will hold tight to my testimony...I love our Church with all my heart, and look forward to Zion and our Savior coming in Glory.
Story time with Tom!!! Grab some blankets and popcorn and get comfy- I loved this, thanks for sharing and all of your research!!!
Great idea!!
Porter Rockwell security sounds good. Requirements are temple recommend, gun and long hair.
That was so amazing! Thank you for all this info. Loved it!
You are so welcome!
This was wonderful!
Thanks, Tom. Wonderful information. Praise to the man.
I absolutely love these stores. Thank you for sharing them
What an amazing wealth of knowledge you have obtained. Thank you for sharing so much with us ♥
Very cool information. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing these amazing stories.
Glad you like them!
Fascinating. Thank you.
Thank you for this, I'm glad that I discovered you!
I'm so glad!
Thank you! Wonderful information that we truly enjoyed.
Awesome!! thank you so much for bringing to life the early history of the true church of CHRIST . I know itt to be true as well . I love the prophet Joseph Smith.
Thank you brother Petit for sharing this time with us .I enjoying your stories and come fallow me class
My great great Grandfather James Cooper owned the Blue Wing Inn in Sonoma where
Lilburn Boggs became constable. His fiance' Sarah Bigalow was abandoned by her former husband and she was unable to locate him for a divorce. Boggs signed her divorce papers so that she could marry my great great grandfather, otherwise, maybe i wouldn't be here. Thank you for your stories!
That's an awesome story! Thanks for sharing.
Really !! That's a pretty amazing thing.... My grandmother that I never got to meet died of the Spanish flu when my mother was 2 years old. If she had gotten the Spanish flu sooner my mother would not have been born then I wouldn't have been born because I wouldn't have had a mother who was born and grew up to be my mama...
One of my Great-Great-Great Grandfathers (on my mother's side of our family) was Charles Henry Hales who showed up in Missouri after his conversion in Canada. He'd sent his family ahead after he arrived at the persecution scene in De Witt, Missouri in 1838. It was the time when angry mobs murdered seventeen members of the L.D.S. faith and wound others at Hawn's Mill. Missouri Governor Lillian Boggs had issued an extermination order to exterminate the Saints in Missouri. The Saints in De Witt were surrounded and forced to leave. Charles helped load up belongings for those making an exodus, but stayed behind to help another Canadian convert like himself, then left the town of De Witt. He was on foot and had become lost on the prairie while trying to make his way all alone to Far West to reunite with the Saints, so he was hungry, cold and without a friend upon the prairie. A frightened farmer, afraid himself of the mobs, gave him directions to Far West. His harrowing experiences continued, but he stayed with the Church. This was six years before the assassination of Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum Smith in the jail at Carthage, Illinois. Eventually, Charles Hales pioneered to the territory where the Saints had gathered in the Rocky Mountains. He was buried in the Spanish Fork, Utah cemetery. I found his grave there a few months ago by accident as I was looking at headstones from the Robertson family, other ancestors who had pioneered to the territory of Deseret.
Excellent story of your forebears Bliss!
This absolutely amazing. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
nice, thanks, I just learned a lot from my church
Such amazing stories. Let us know when you guys start doing tours again!
Thank you! Will do!
Fun fact: David W. Patten is my 7th Great Uncle.
“One of the most pleasing scenes that can occur on earth, when a sin has been committed by one person against another, is, to forgive that sin; and then according to the sublime and perfect pattern of the Savior, pray to our Father in heaven to forgive him also” ( 6:245). ~ Joseph Smith Jr
In hearing you read Gov. Ford's memoirs, I am interpreting differently. It sounds to me as if he was not upset that he acted as Pilate, but that he would be REMEMBERED as Pilate, only he calls Joseph Smith a "miserable imposter." "Etched in the memories of....a miserable imposter." To me it means the memories are of those who followed Joseph or believed Joseph, and Ford did not believe or follow him. I will have to inspect this further...
I want to testify that our church is true.
I am enjoying this channel. Thank you for the church history info. So awesome!
Thank you!
It was great Sunday listening. Thank you
Thank you so much about your devoted story.
Love these reviews.
Oh so glad I found you questions ive always had in mind but always put it aside for next time when more light comes to light 😁 thank you!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Thhhhaaaaaank You so much for this, wow... this is great!...
You're very welcome!
Man... as the story was being told, I thought Joseph Smith was gonna grab Orson by the neck and slam him to the ground. I guess Joseph could tell by Orson’s body language that he had repented and therefore found a reason to rejoice in the return of the “prodigal son.” Anyway, thanks for sharing.
Sunday - November 29, 2020.
The video I’ve been waiting for
Your audio is finally awesome !!! Thanks
So great information. I hope it could be translated in spanish to send the link to all the members that I know.
Thank you so much for the inspiring lesson.
It's my pleasure
The story about Joseph & Orson Hyde was just awesome! Betrayal by a friend is the hardest thing to forgive. I wish I'd have 1% the power to forgive, Joseph had.
Great video. Your reading/interpretation of Thomas Ford’s comments from History of Illinois, regarding his legacy being connected to Joseph Smith’s is too forgiving at best and just wrong at worst. “... miserable imposter” is Ford’s description of Joseph Smith not himself. He’d prefer to be forgotten than “being dragged down to posterity hitched to [Joseph Smith].” He is anything but remorseful in that statement about anything but his reputation and legacy being associated to Joseph’s. His loss.
Great, great, great, yet sad too.
It’s just incredible that such love and forgiveness even exists for Joseph to run to and embrace Orson Hyde. It’s proof that Joseph Smith was and is a true Prophet.
However, it’s even more incredible that the love of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ is even greater.
Oh my how interesting Thanks
You're welcome
There are such good stories, like them unto ourselves, and forgive
Very interesting. Thank you brother.
Very welcome
I work in the Cardston Temple and one day there was a lady there, (sorry but didn't get her name) she said that she was direct descendant of Boggs. Her story was that when Boggs gave that extermination order he was told by one of the members of the twelve at that time that Boggs' family name would be wiped out (he'd never have a son) and that any daughters born would not live except for one, until the time they join the church. Apparently Boggs had 4 daughters, all died except one, that daughter had 4 daughters and all died except one and the same happened to each living daughter down to this woman. She joined the church and she has daughters and sons, none who have died. Don't know how true this is but it might be worth checking out.
Just subscribed. This is amazing! Thank you :D
Awesome, thank you!
Great stuff. Keep it going. Sometimes, I wonder about justice, and then you heard these stories.
Orson Hyde turned into Mr. Hyde? Ha!
You explained so great 👏👏👏
Please raise your camera to eye level for more pleasant viewer experience.
Very interesting...Thank you. About Gov Boggs...Many years ago, I watched a documentary on TV 📺 about Boggs, while he lived in California, he got into a gold mine venture...Long story short...During a return journey, he and his relatives, after exhaustive, "tunnel vision", expensive searches, could NEVER FIND THE MINE AGAIN..."Gov" Boggs didn't have a contented life, and never had any posterity to leave ANY kind of "legacy" to...😐
loved it. Thx. great video
My family had the privilege of attending the Nauvoo Temple open house and dedication. President Hinkley, at the dedicatory session (I dont know about the other sessions), spoke about the legacy of those who attacked and killed Joseph Smith. There are others, but mostly the consistent consequence for these men is that their family lines end with in one or two generations. Interesting, that is a fierce thing to suffer. It says a lot about the importance of family.
Orson Hyde came to Utah and also came to Spring City Utah where he was with my husband great great grandfather James Allred who settled Spring City and Orsons home is still standing today across the street from our Church that was built by the pioneers that we still attend. Orson Hyde is buried in the Spring City Cemetery .He is buried close by James Allred.
Lots of great history pieces I wasn’t fully familiar with. But don’t you think that Ford meant Joseph when he made the imposter comment?
No becauseThen he would also be implying Jesus was an imposter
I wondered too.
Very? Very interesting! Thank you. With your knowledge of church history I would love to go on one or your tours.
Steven A Douglas being threatened by Joseph's Myth. Now that is a cool story I didn't know. Some obscure farm boy from near Nauvoo moving around rocks defeating the "enemy of the Saints"
Very grateful for this video, can I give you a hug?
Yes!