We Play CEDH! Slicer vs. Blue Farm vs. Najeela vs. Winota | Commander Clash S15E9
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We love Tomer talking about being a pioneer of Slicer decks, and then forgetting Slicer's first line of text 20 minutes later.
Do you expect a Slicer player to read???
Ironically, the first time he played it, he touted himself as a genius when the cheaper cost was pointed out, lol. Everyone forgets it to be fair.
Tomer Tomering is very Tomer.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander just in case you bring it back, don't forget that if you don't give slicer away, it goes back into vehicle mode, and you can't give it away while it's in vehicle mode; in other words, you can't pick and choose who to give it to, you either have to give it all the time or you can't give it at all!
The comedic value is so good
Watching them play cEDH is like watching your grandparents try to hook up a wifi router.
It’s great going from play to win/playing with power to watching this. But I still love every second of it!
Yeah. Tomer should have explained stuff to the crew. These guys are so clueless
As a CASUAL Slicer player, it was painful to see Tomer's misplays hahahaha like physically painful
No, I think grandparents setting up wifi would be better. This actually looks like grandparents playing cEDH 😂 omg
What I really need is an edited version of this match with a cEDH player narrating what each optimal play would look like over the course of this match, followed by the actual play
I'd be happy to do that if there weren't 97 minutes of footage. XD
I’m a cedh player. This was a travesty 😂
The irony of Crim hard tilting from a single stax piece while playing a stax deck is deafening.
Tomer doing his little Slicer dance while everyone tries to reason with each other about how to not die to Slicer.
Blood Moon in 2nd game was def correct as Seth needed Vtutor to not be out of the game and it put both Richard and Crim out of the game. 6/6 lifelinker is strong but it'd have to stay back with Slicer on board so it's not an issue once Slicer appears.
The real mistake (prob with hindsight) was Crim not playing the Magistrate as it'd have blocked both Tomer and Seth from using Commanders but on turn 1 you could argue it was not a bad choice to wait 1 turn before playing it.
crim not playing magistrate was a huge mistake. but with crim making that mistake tomer could have turned this table completly with a t1 frontside splicer
Crim is just not good at this format but doesnt wanna admit to it. Given the line of play of him not choosing to play the Dranith T1, he should've then not fetched immediately, and get more information before fetching since he doesnt even need the mana for anything.
The Karn crowd surfing edit was sublime. Thank you for that, Editor!
Commander Clash: Gosh darn it. We only have a 97 minute video this week.
Editor Niuttuc: Oh thank god.
He got that Crowdsurf the Karn in on there though
Cause these guys normally play waay too many boardwipes
@@hanschristopherson8056 Play no boardwipes so that you lose faster, the master plan
Just seeing Seth sitting there with 4 tutors in his hand and him just saying "Hmmmmmm" is exactly what I feel like when I try and play a new cEDH deck.
I gotta say: for someone who likes griefer decks, Crim certainly salts off and throws games a lot, often from his own mistakes and misplays.
Regarding game 2, Drannith Magistrate shuts off Underworld Breach, and as we saw, the combo decks' backup plans involve their commanders. There's no reason to be coy about your cards in cEDH if you're Winota. Just jam your creatures and hate cards. Play to the board; that's how you win.
Once Crim decides not to play his t1 hate piece, Tomer is also absolutely correct to jam Blood Moon on turn 1 because he's playing against two 4-5 colour combo decks and has a reasonable follow-up in t2 Slicer.
Seth may have won anyway because he had the right tutor and made a reasonable decision with it, but for all Crim's complaining about kingmaking, his spite plays only took Tomer (who made a reasonable play) out of the game and made a Seth/Richard victory inevitable.
Well yeah that's everyone that plays griefer decks lol
@@Spaced92and why he isn't a good cEDH player. Hell I'll go as far as to say that he isn't a good player to play with in general. Every single game he does nothing but spite plays or hyper focuses Tomer.
Crim played really bad both games. And tomer played to his alt correctly. Sadly he had the worst deck.
@@edwarddavidson868 What if, and I know this might sound insane, but what if it's cEDH week and players should be playing to win? Tomer says at one point that he's surprised because he would expect Crim to play to his outs, and Tomer is correct. Salting off and griefing another player is fine in other weeks where games are slower and more interactive and no one is playing stax, but that wasn't this week.
What if, and I know this might sound insane, but what if the content produced when one player screws up, then spends the rest of the game accusing another player of kingmaking while kingmaking -- what if that's unpleasant content?
lol@@dh47376
I wish Crim had held up the goblin cratermaker to threaten to kill Najeela instead of guaranteeing that neither he nor Tomer would be able win. I feel like it would have been a more balanced game. Nonetheless these were really fun to watch and would be happy to see more cEDH content.
Spite plays has no place in cEDH. It's why Crim is a bad cEDH player. Also politics has very little place in cEDH.
@@atk9989politics is still very important in cedh. Knowing when to make your opponents interact and gatting people to work together to stop someone from winning is very important. Ive seen plenty of games where a stax deck a control deck sit down and just acknowledge that them suddenly teaming up garrenttes them the win
There's actually some merit to that move. If Tomer then played Slicer the turn after, Crim would've died to it even earlier like what happened in the last game because he doesn't have a viable board. Either way, with the Blood Moon out, Crim was out of that game.
What I will complain about is not playing Drannith turn 1. Even though it looked like it would help Richard, I would've rolled with it.
We finally got an enthusiastic Clash On from Seth, the dozens of us did in fact enjoy that
Forgot to mention. I love the intro. I'm a big fan of learning about decks during the game. So not having an enormously long intro with explanations is sweet.
Seth, Crim, and Richard:“intellectual magic banter”
Tomer: “slice, slice, slice”
About as intellectual as a person who studied Yugioh thinking it was Magic.
Cedh week would be better if they not only the read the primers but watched videos of others playing their deck before the game. Missed najeela derevi combos and crim not slamming down his winota game 1 was painful.
He didn't have the creature count / mana to pull off the Najeela+Derevi and Crim slamming Winota G1 wouldn't have made a difference because Seth was holding up Swords. (Although he should have played it for sure)
The blood moon would have been good if Crim didn’t spite. He might even have won the game but with the tutor and 0 pressure seth got the free win.
Tomer’s play game 2 was objectively correct. Slicer would have been a very decent play, but in that position, with the board and no knowledge of hands, the lock piece was insanely good. Unfortunately salty spite plays were made rather than CEDH-minded plays so the game devolved the way it did.
I don’t know what was funnier, Tomer being super excited to play a deck and forgetting to read the commander or Crim, the man who gets off to shutting ppl down not playing the drannith game 2
And then spite playing after he is on the receiving end for once.
Really loving the choices of decks this week. They're all pretty common to see at an average cEDH pod, so it'll be nice to see how the "casual" Commander Clash crew pilot them this week. In the past, the crew bring somewhat complicated combo decks that'll want a primer nearby but the ones this week are pretty straightforward.
I think the primer is less important than the basic meta of cEDH. They need to get out of the mindset of sitting back and actually play for the win. (And to aggressively stax out the board vs the combo players)
Its really fun to watch yall navigate the decks, also cool to see a CEDH game in real time, not cut down to just the spells. Dig the slick edits of the CEDH channels but its nice to hear all the politics and banter.
10:39 Don't worry Tomer. I heard you and laughed. 😆
It's fun seeing you guys really trying to win and at the same time working as a team to make sure someone doesn't win. lol
I unironically love clash on and never want it to stop.
Crim , I think you should have done Drannith Magistrate turn 1, in game 2
i made a Slicer deck after watching Tomer first use it, it was the terror of my play group for a while. i've retired it for another deck, but i kinda want to bring it back now, since as we saw in this game Tomer just sat back and watched everyone duke it out
Always fun to watch newer or more casual players try out cedh! Lots of growing pains, of course, but that just goes with the territory.
Edit: how the hell is the boros deck that runs magus of the moon the one complaining about a blood moon lmao. I think Winona player should consider why they kept a 1 land hand with no acceleration to get to winota. Additionally why did they fetch t1 and then not play the dranith? Just confusing plays all around, followed by complaining about the consequences of their own decisions.
We love a good cedh week
You're in the wrong place if you're looking for a "good" cedh week
@@edwarddavidson868 I'd rather watch non cedh over people who have literally zero experience with complex decks
@@RumpledNutskin who?
Not really a fan of cedh tbh. I don’t really get the appeal of being overly sweaty playing a cardboard card game in my leisure time
@@gibbysg8143 it isn't about being "overly sweaty." It's about playing to win, not playing to just play. You don't have to worry about politics in the same way, you don't have to worry about hurt feelings, or deck power level. Everyone is there to try and win. It feels like a completely different game
The second "Clash on!" was necessary Seth! Dont you hear the audience cheer🎉
slicer in cedh is the equivalent of playing plain chase in regular commander. no one actually wants to do it after having seen 1 turn cycle with it but now is stuck deciding what is the least worse option
Watching Richard paying for a free spell was so painful. Game two screaming at crim cast dranith.
Slicer adds such a sweet puzzle to all games he is in
I think Seth doesn't realize how Derevi can combo with Najeela... Lol.
Came to the comments for this
I don't think any of them realized it or they kept it to themselves to not give it away
I liked this video for Richard's enthusiastic "Transform! BrtBrtBrt! Convert!"
Thinking about the first game a little bit, I was curious if anyone thought that casting Winota at 29:33 would have been a good move or not. It forces Seth to have to use the swords to plowshares that they know about on Winota and not on the stacks pieces. Then Crim can attack Richard thinking that Seth would probably attack Richard and kill him too. Then Seth has to fight through all those stacks pieces while also facing down potential death from a Slicer. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 and we have access to their hands as viewers, but I think even with the information they had, it seems pretty safe and a way to help secure victory.
He should have. Would have been 3 triggers for All he knew. :)
Personally I would have slammed the Winota there. Pretty much everyone was tapped out. Seems like if you don't use Winota there you probably don't play it at all that game. I think you just go for it and hope for the best.
The correct play is definitely to play the Winota (even if it would have gotten StP'd). The main mistake was Richard killing Crim since Seth had already resolved an intuition and told the table he was being shut down by Aven Mindcensor (suggesting he had tutors to complete the combo).
Ten seconds in and Seth already called his commander a totally different name...lol
Havent watched in a while. Nothing like a good CEDH week to bring me back
Welcome back!
I love how Slicer's text says
*Attacks a player other than Doctor Anime if able*
*Attacks a player other than Doctor Anime if able*
*Attacks a player other than Doctor Anime if able*
In a robot voice
I love seeing Tomer dancing in the bottom right, while everyone else is pulling out their best politics.
This is so entertaining!
Crim: is playing boros, fetches a dual land early after choosing to make NO PLAYS, spends the rest of the game spite playing and complaining about blood moon... Seems like the kind of person I would avoid playing with at all costs in my own playgroup.
Najeela the.....broken blade?
I'm glad y'all are trying out different types of games. That said, one CEDH episode per season is plenty for me.
I highly enjoy it when they play CEDH!
Crim on every podcast: I want people to feel the salt, I bath in the salt, live for it.
Crim plays against one stax piece: I am the saltiest, butthurt player of all time.
The funniest thing is that the closer thing to "control" in cEDH is traditionally stax, and Crim immediately took Winota.
I laughed so hard on that Aven Mindcensor 💀
slicer seems like a neat fun little game-within-the-game that is fun for the player to sit back and watch but also tear all friendships apart
I luv how Tomer didn't even think to try and play ruination to blow up every land except his mountains.
Tomer not turn 1 slicer in cedh is a huge miss. Smh
he couldn't t1 slicer anyway, t2 seemed risky acknowledging there was derevi and serra ascendat on board... He played the most optimal way imo
@@mauiamaru6547 I think the comment meant game 2
I love how hard everyone is thinking how to not die and Tomer is just vibing. God I love red
Tomer's hand chops were so funny, best part of the episode.
Prime summoner’s pact target in Seth’s deck is Derevi if your board can reliably get five combat damage triggers
Crim with the unnecessary spite play when Tomer made the correct play. Yeah he couldve played slicer but it wouldnt have been enough and Richard and Seth wouldve been completely unlocked. Crim played really badly and then took his frustrations out on Tomer.
I've been waiting to find out why blue farm is called that but Richard's explanation at 23:18 doesn't make any sense because tymna and bruse is a mardu deck. Unless he means to tell us there was a mardu cEDH deck called "farm" and blue farm is the variation you get from adding blue to it by subbing out the weaker partner for kraum.
Crim with the classic "don't kill me i'm stopping him" meanwhile failing to grasp that he is stopping everyone while slicer clock is ticking so there so no reason to keep him alive as he is just preventing progressing gameplan or dealing with slicer. If you can't progress the gameplan why would you care about stopping others, you gamble to win instead of wait to lose.
That's Crims play style he's use to playing safe until he has the win instead of going for the win. Unless he has Akromas Will he generally doesn't finish games.
He was 100% correct. Seth had already resolved an intuition. The slicer kill will take out one person before the guaranteed breach win. Richard should have kept Crim's stax in the game if he wanted to have a chance of winning.
@@wchenful lol, i'm not reading any replies to any "1 year ago" comments, you might agree with me, you might not, why would i care, i could be dead at this point yet you're replying to me about sth i dont even remember. i might just delete the main comment too. have fun replying to other "last seen X years ago" comments
@@WikiED I like to educate 😂. Feel free to ignore if you like.
@@wchenful educate ppl under recent videos, not ones that could possibly be corpses as it's been a long time. Also to educate it's assuming i remember what are you talking about in the first place. you're living in the past, come to the future, i'm sure there are things to educate under recent stuff.
I guess it's also possible you were looking for comment no one would reply to so you could feel like you got a win(?). Regardless of what your reason was replying to over an year old comment is just ridiculous and i never had nor ever will have any respect to ppl doing that.
Enjoyed watching you guys play cEDH… but that Blood Moon play in Game 2 is the reason why stax pieces can be so dangerous in the wrong hands
Turn 2 why is tomer saying he can't slicer?? Mishra's workshop casts slicer with the one other mountain, yeah?
I might of forgot how to play D:
Man, this new style of snappy intro is just so nice.
Loved the cEDH content! Would love to see you guys try out some Sisay or Tayam next! ♥
Definitely read the primers on those decks and get a few games in first. Tayam has an entire game theory break down in it which I find very valuable.
tomer had the turn 1 slicer game 2 and blood mooned instead!! sd;fjsadf;lkjsa;lkjfd
Huge miss. Very disappointing to watch
When will you guys do the colorless clash?
1:00:00 Not a pro CEDH but Land + Mox on Guide, take that 2 mana to turn it into 3. Cast Blood Mon lock out rest of players from the game and then next turn, Slice it up!
How is Crim drawing and playing more lands on CEDH week than on normal weeks? Lol
I just won a game last week with Serra Ascendant. Turn one Serra is freaking brutal!!!!
Ruination would've been the most wild and rude correct play ever as soon as Tomer drew it 😂😂😂 Who needs Shroud when your opponents cant make mana. 😅 Huge feel bads for my boy
Timer hitting a mean dab in the thumbnail
Love the deck choices guys
T1 Bloodmoon was the correct play.
Why complicate your life with breach lines when you can go infinite with your commander and derevi
It's a much tougher win condition to meet. Najeela + Derevi requires both of them to be on board along with the ability to 5 mana (so usually a few more creatures or untapped lands) and a successful combat with no opposing interaction. It's usually plan B after everyone uses up their interaction to stop the naus/breach lines.
would love to see more cedh content
I know it was absolutely a spite play, but isnt using the cratermaker to make sure you arent run over by slicer in the next turn cycle playing to your outs?
"I can't Slicer!"
Uh, you have a T2 workshop, and can cast Slicer for the More Than Meets the Eye cost of 3 mana.
@Richard Another eggcorn I heard you use was "I got off scotch-free" when it is "I got off scot-free" (a Scot was an English tax implemented in medieval times)
Please more cEDH episodes! =)
i love the reference to beasties great call back
There's no room for spite plays in cEDH.
Crim spite killing tower's mox is some casual weak sauce.
I’m okay with the play if he didn’t have dranith magistrate in hand which also hosed him..strange play for sure
54:06 my favourite part of the video.
As an avid cedh player I would say you guys have a fundamental flaw in your game play. You mulligan to passively. In cedh you aggressively mulligan for an absolutely fire of a hand.
Cheerios are not global.
I've heard about them in American media, but never seen them anywhere in Europe.
well I have seen cherrios in a couple of european countries, so either you haven't really looked for them or they don't sell in your country
If Seth would of only cast his commander earlier in game one he could of threatened a win with derevi untapping his lands for combat combo win.
Nah, his play was correct. The breach line is much faster than Najeela+Derevi which takes multiple combats (since he didn't have enough creatures or mana on the board)
Not really a fan of Crim's spite play G2. Obviously he can do what he wants, but it's not really cedh mentality and just comes across as petty.
seeing the thought processes from everyone it would be interesting seeing a game where its pseudo two headed giant where each player plays a deck that requires another play keeping someone else in check to win
so the idea is each person know who they need to keep alive last to win so they have to balance not letting them get too far ahead but also not to fall behind
Dunno how viable it is, but I'd love some prints of some of the video-specific drawings, or maybe posting hi-res versions to use as desktops?
From cEDH back to causal with the spite plays. The first game was good though.
Great wins Seth! Glad to see you all having fun playing some of the strongest decks this format has to offer! As a friendly reminder Derevi is there to go infinite with najeela herself! Najeela makes a warrior for every warrior that is declared attacking which she herself is a warrior to start things off! Derevi lets you untap lands on combat damage and if you have all your colors you can order the Derevi triggers to untap your lands and then tap it for the rainbow mana needed to activate najeela. This can be done with a single rainbow land as well by floating the mana between the Derevi untap triggers! Najeela's math is that you only need 6 combats to kill the table if there are no blockers. The summoner's pact you were questioning in Game 2 is actually there so you can get a copy of Derevi for 0 mana for a potential win on the spot.
The usual intuition pile is often sevinnes, breach, and LED. This way, no matter what card is chosen you can always at least flash back the sevinnes to get back breach. With enough cards in the GY you can then use LED mana to potentially then use intuition again from the GY to find Brain freeze. What great in Najeela though is your intuition pile can change based on board state or which win (breach or najeela) you are trying for. I've intuitioned for derevi, dockside, and sevinnes as a way to win with najeela or in tough spots you can often tutor for sevinnes, rhystic study, mystic remora to guarantee a card draw engine.
Glad to see her perform well and hopefully you had a lot of fun playing her!
Seth loves his 5-color decks
Game 2, Tomer: Darksteel, Mox pitching blood moon, pyretic ritual, SLICER; Lotus Petal, Commander Plate, Pitch Simian Spirit Guide, EQUIP and ATTACK on turn one! Pretty sure you would have had a lot more fun with this line of play.
He made the correct play. Slicer and Winota have very little chance winning vs. Blue Farm or Najeela unless they stax them out. In a regular cEDH game, it would have been Crim > Drannith into Tomer > Blood Moon which would pretty much guarantee the red decks a few free turns to develop vs. the combo decks. As you might have noticed, life total means very little in cEDH early on other than being a card-draw resource (the Serra Ascendants were largely irrelevant - so an early Slicer isn't super threatening until you Stax out all the removal)
Why didn't tomer play ruination on the first game right before Seth won? If he was worried Seth had a counter that goes against his philosophy of not playing scared lol. Gotta make them have it! That would've been a game winning line, i feel forcing the swords was the wrong move.
He only had 3 mana for ruination workshop can only pay for artifacts, ruination costs 4, he even said in the game that he wished he had 1 more land
More then one game!?!??? Oh I love it!
Saw a Slicer deck, clicked play as you do
... okay 2 turns in and no Slicer played, I'm in pain now
Pahaha same
Have a Winota cEDH deck I love it really cool seeing crim play a deck that has 90% the sames cards have played hundreds of game with Winota and the deck is so addictive
turn 1 blood moon is always the right play :)
Slicer deals 21 commander damage on the first turn sycle then it is 24 each turn after. Every player can swing w it and there are 4 players
When she invites you for some Chill and Edh, but her parents show up out of nowhere with some Turbo Stax...
Game 2 is proof that Crim should stick to non cEDH games. Lol.
This went from everyone make fun of tomer's deck to everyone run from tomer's deck so fast 🤣
Tomer obviously hasn't played with Workshop before bc the opening hand would be great
I was just screaming the whole first game that derevi combos with najeela😂😂
I think Tomer's played Slicer more than Gargos at this point
That might be the worst blood moon I've ever seen lol.
I feel like in CEDH you can’t afford to not play into the fish right ? Doing nothing on your opening turns when you have cards to play will just set you back won’t it? Casual games you can afford to land+pass but CEDH is all about tempo