I firmly believe that even if the Broncos drafted Josh Allen, they would have completely mishandled his development and he would have been a bust. Just in the same way they did with Drew Lock.
Drew Lock actually still has starting potential & likely would be very good right now had Carroll gave him the opportunity. As far as Allen his development came thru Palmer in the offseason who he'd still been working with if he went to the Broncos. & Broncos have invested alot into WR's so likely would've done very well with them along with a better O-Line(when healthy)ij denver.
It's not only taking the right people. The right person has to be paired with the right coach in the right system and then the right players around him. There's so much that goes into it
Same. And have for a couple of years, now. Brandon brings a great blend of humor and football knowledge. I believe, the term "underrated" is overused; but, THIS channel and it's host is just that. He has grinded for years, and deserves any accolades/compensation he receives.
I've been watching him for years boys, I was single in a basement suite when I started watching him, I'm damn near married now in my own house. I have used Pernas videos on my lunch break for years now to get me through the days around my bullshit boss 😂 Perna will forever be a legend in my books, it's just sad to think one day (very far from now) he won't make videos :(
I think what really settles it about the Broncos drafting history is that the two best and most accomplished QBs in their history were ones they didn't draft. Both were drafted by the Colts, in fact.
Of all the wacky catchphrases to echo in my mind when I hear Russell Wilson’s name, the one’s that stood the test of time is “…..that’s not what he wanted to cook.”
You should compare the Raiders drafting of the last 5 years to the Broncos. All of their overreaches and missed first round picks are insane. Also the fact that the only have one player left on their roster in the 2020 draft and it was their last pick.
My biggest problem with Elway as a GM was how the O-line was often neglected in the drafts after Manning retired. Other than Bolles, it seems that he drafted undersized O-line projects in the later rounds that didn't pan out. In free agency, he gambled on big men coming off of injuries. No wonder the quarterback carousel happened! The O-line size and skill level is imperative to success of any QB. If you can't give him a clean pocket, he will fail. The league has changed since Elway won the Super Bowl with an undersized O-line against the GB Packers 25 years ago. Maybe he thought that the recipe would still work. The proof is in the pudding. Elway was a GREAT player!!! But as a GM, he fumbled the ball more than not.
Very true. Elway had wonderful career as a player but was never very bright. Hearing him speak publicly is always an embarrassment. Too many former players think that playing the game equates to manage in the organization and they are typically failures like elway. He should have taken his super bowl rings and gone once his playing career ended. Now, especially outside of the suffocating foolishness of their delusional fans, the rest of the football world remembers him as a total failure as a general manager
The back-to-back SB champ Broncos of the late 90's had a big-time running game that other teams couldn't stop, and great backs like Terrell Davis. I never realized those were "undersized" linemen. Also, Elway was hard to sack because of his mobility. Interesting that, as you say, Elway kept drafting smallish project O-Linemen, as if HE was still the QB under center.
@@MogtheMad0422 He hasn't failed us yet😂🤣😂🤣 We just needed a bridge. Had no expectations last year, and it was so relaxing. Could finally enjoy football! Not for the first time ever, Russ was just stressing me out the last couple of years😁
I'm a University of Utah alumnus and season ticket holder, so I mean this in the nicest way: teams shouldn't draft U of U offensive players in the first round. Utah teams--and esp their offenses--are always greater than the sum of their parts, and Utah's head coach Kyle Whittingham is well known for finding ways to maximize the talents of lesser players, which is a necessity when you have to recruit in the same region as USC and Oregon. I love Utah and I give Whittingham all the credit in the world for regularly kicking the shit out of teams that have more raw talent at every position, but that's exactly the point--Utah's excellent team play makes individual players look better than they are. If Garrett Boles, for example, had been taken as late second/early third round picks, the expectations for him would have been lower, he wouldn't have been expected to start immediately, and considering the level of play he eventually reached, he'd be see as a smart pick and nfl success story instead of a borderline first round bust. Alex Smith got screwed with coaching/front office stupidity at San Francisco, but I think a similar case could have been made that his career would have gone better if he hadn't been the first overall pick. And now there's buzz about TE Dalton Kincaid going in the first round, and jesus I hope that doesn't happen because he just isn't ready. Again, if he were to be drafted in the second or third rounds nd given some time to develop without the pressure to start then I think he could have an excellent professional career. But some stupid team like Dallas is going to take him in the first round and make him one more disappointment from Utah.
The fact he was 25 years old when drafted to me means if he was a 4th rounder at Oline, or above I am expecting him to be able to start immediately. If not I might as well take a guy that is 3 or 4 years younger to develop in the first 4 rounds.
NOBODY understands how much a sustainable QB and front office rises the value of offensive pieces. very good point there are alot of talented skill position players that will never reach their full potential solely because of that
I was born in Springfield Missouri and lived most of my life and emporia Kansas so I'm a Chiefs fan for the most part that being said I think the broncos had a particularly rough season but they're not as bad as their record would show and this year under the leadership of Sean Payton should be a playoff contender and I look forward to Wilson having a bounce back season
To Elway's credit, his first two drafts were goldmines and were what built the foundation for Denver's super bowl win. Everything since then has been dreadful.
9:39 - honestly it’s probably best for both Allen and the Broncos that Denver passed on him. He needed a lot of development to be good (he wasn’t good for a while with Buffalo) and he probably would not have turned out nearly as well with the Broncos.
our drafting hitory is questionable to say the least, we haven't had a good first round pick in 10 years and now it's finally coming back to bite us in the ass
My family is Saints fans and hearing Andy Reid being outbid for Paxton Lynch hurts. Reid and the Chiefs *had* to trade up to 10 for Mahomes because the Saints were ready to take him at 11
@@AleisterMeowley To me it seemed like the Seahawks were the Broncos personal doormat for a lot of the 80s and 90s during the Elway years. The only time that pattern was broken was briefly during the Chuck Knox years, like the one time the Seahawks won at Mile High. Hell, the Seahawks were EVERYBODY'S doormat during the 90s.
I think Justin Fields is a good player but no George made the right pick. Justin wouldn't have changed anything in 2019 or 2020. If anything you should feel that way about the Wilson trade not the Pat pick
@@tombosley3048 well 1 Justin didn’t get drafted until 2021 2 as a bears fan I am so happy that everybody let him slip because now we have fields, who broke out last season despite his wr core having the worst route win % in the league, who will now be throwing to the guy that put up 4 catches for 103 yards and a td on surtain
Fields changes nothing for Denver if they had him over Surtain, Surtain would be an all pro still somewhere else and Denver would be probably be picking first just like Chicago was
Tell your friends, family, pets, weird guy on the bus, or people who go into stores and don’t buy anything. We all must work together as a team…..to make sure Perna gets that tattoo. Lol
Never understood the infatuation with KJ Hamler. Denver media made Tyreek Hill comparisons. Being fast and small only goes so far if you can’t catch the football and break like porcelain when you do catch it and someone hits you.
Watching this video in October of 23 helps remind me that we are all pretty bad at evaluating talent. Yeah the Broncos messed up a lot, but our gracious host missed badly on Fields.
Ugh… I was super hesitant to watch this Balls Deep episode because I knew it would be painful. Aaaaand, I was 100% correct. Eight years! Eight years of sucking horribly, missing the playoffs, and losing over and over again to the Chefs. And the reason why is all laid out in clear and concise fashion by the great Brandon Perna and exceptional Will Keys. I don’t think I can take a ninth year of agony. Please don’t suck next year, please don’t suck next year, please don’t suck next year…..
I feel bad for you between the terrible terrible trade deal with the Seahawks Russell Wilson blowing the rest of your draft picks on an old washed-up has-been coach whose only claim to fame is being suspended for an entire season for lying and cheating is an incredibly bad look for Denver and will surely result in a major blow back from karma. I don't think there is anyone anywhere in that organization that has one iota of ethical or moral values. Then you add in the fact that you have owners who don't know a football from an eggplant, it is a recipe for disaster. Maybe consider switching
Could be worse. You could be a Browns fan. 9 years of agony? Try 24, and counting. Plus, as bad as it may seem, at least the Broncos are not a walking punchline to the entire league for gross mismanagement.
How bad have The Bronco's been at drafting since Peyton Manning? As a Colt's fan; You are not alone. I am here with you. Though you're far away, *PAIN* is here to stay.
He started off strong - signing already developed and established players - by buying a Super Bowl. I'll take it, but had he been able to parlay that into lasting success, he wouldn't have just gone out with a squeak and a puff of dust. Thanks, John Elway, indeed.
Haven’t paid much attention to Denver’s drafts. For a while I thought Elway’s drafting of defensive players was pretty impressive. What’s really been remarkable though is how bad the team has been at drafting and developing QBs.
Bad drafts happen. Giving up high picks and paying a non elite qb is the real killer. My Hawks set themselves back years with the Jamal Adams trade. I suppose there are examples of trades like this working; tyreek to Miami or cmc to the 49ers for example, but generally speaking… teams should keep their picks. Loved the video, excellent content
Can anyone think of 5 tight ends worth a 1st round pick in the last 20 years? Vernon Davis, Heath Miller, and guy playing with Manning on colts Dallas Clark I think, are the only 3 true game changers who's production couldn't be replicated with other guys. I'm a lions fan and in the last 14 or so years lions took 3 tight ends in the 1st round. Pettigrew was essentially a bust. Ebron had skill but never actually developed and improved beyond where he started. Then God damn hockenson. Goff through 7 picks and 3 or 4 were going to hockenson where he missed a signal, ran the wrong route or gave up on a play. But lions took best receiving TE zylstra, best blocking TE Brock Wright, and the one who does both at average level but has high ceiling, and easily matched hockensons production while eliminating his errors. Guys like Hayden Hurst, Evan engram and Noah fant are basically considered bust or close to it. But if they were drafted round 3 or 4 they'd be a very nice draft pick up
I don't think Josh Allen would have developed with the coaching staff at the time for the Broncos. It did take him a couple of seasons in Buffalo to get going, with much better coaching. So in a way, I am happy the Broncos didn't draft him because we wouldn't get to see awesomeness every week. At least this is what I tell myself to cope with not drafting him.
I think we can directly also attribute Allen's better numbers with the signing of Stefan Diggs. You can afford to be a foot or two off-target if the wide out has created three feet of separation. Not to downplay Allen's own improvements with accuracy and mechanics, that did happen too.
Brandon, you should thank the Broncos for jumping up to snatch Paxton Lynch away from the Chiefs. Part of your allure is as the humorous, lovable, long-suffering Broncos fan. That couldn't have happened if the Broncos weren't actively trying to out-dumpster-fire the Browns and be worse than Mark Davis's haircut. In a way, that draft pick made you who you are today. Much love for you and your coffee from Chiefs Kingdom. ❤💛
Chubb over Allen and Surtain over Fields are decisions I'd comfortably make even in hindsight. Yes, you need to get your QB right eventually. But the disrespect for position players is unreal.
and here we are in 2024. With a new rookie QB and firmly in the seat to be in the Playoffs for the first time since 2015. Fields is a backup to russel in Pittsburg and Surtain is still playing like a future Hall of Famer. Browning sadly got traded but Cooper is balling. I love this season alot cause it gives hope that we didnt have for ages.
@@milehighgambler Fan since '77. But whatever helps you sleep at night knowing we're going to win AFCW as long as Mahomes has one good leg to stand on. It must be terrible for you.
As a Panthers fan, I have no sympathy. Sure, you guys have been terrible at drafting since borrowing Peyton Manning just long enough to beat us, but you borrowed Peyton Manning just long enough to beat us.
As a reminder of just how bad RW was last year, Trevor Siemian, a 7th round draft pick and first year starter, had more TDs, fewer INTs, half the sacks and twice the wins. On the plus side, RW was an upgrade over Paxton Lynch.
Hey to be fair to the Russel Wilson trade. You can’t draft poorly if you don’t draft at all. It’s why I as a Bears fan haven’t complained about a draft in 6 years
On the Josh Allen point, broncos had agreed with McBeane to trade 1.05 for the bills 2 first round picks (I wanna say 1.12 and 1.21? I forget exactly). Unless Chubb was still there. Thus, Chubb got drafted and the bills sent their early first and two other picks to move up and take Allen in a deal with the Bucs.
Tbh Josh Allen had all the markings of a bust..you trying to sound cute like that would have been your choice but i gaurentee you was callin him the 3 or 4th best qb that year..if not please post something to prove you thought josh allen was the pick to make..everyone sounds smart in hindsight.
I firmly believe that even if the Broncos drafted Josh Allen, they would have completely mishandled his development and he would have been a bust. Just in the same way they did with Drew Lock.
Drew Lock actually still has starting potential & likely would be very good right now had Carroll gave him the opportunity. As far as Allen his development came thru Palmer in the offseason who he'd still been working with if he went to the Broncos. & Broncos have invested alot into WR's so likely would've done very well with them along with a better O-Line(when healthy)ij denver.
Or maybe when they look for a new HC in 2019, they hire an offense-oriented coach like Zac Taylor or Matt LaFleur instead of Vic Fangio.
And then Josh Allen would be a Seahawk now instead of Lock
Makes you think how many possibly Hall of Fame worthy careers were ruined by bad franchises. RG3 comes to mind.
Where they really messed up is not hiring Kyle. Pair Kyle and Josh and that is lethal.
Never realized majority of the players in the 2019 draft for Denver ended up playing for Seattle
And we thank you for it! Go Hawks!
As a 49ers, I would like to thank the Broncos as well.
It's not only taking the right people. The right person has to be paired with the right coach in the right system and then the right players around him. There's so much that goes into it
Which is how the draft continues to be a total crapshoot despite all the experts analyzing every aspect of every player for years in advance.
Drafting is an art, not a science.
I'm not a Broncos fan at all, but yet I'll still instantly click and watch your entire video 😂
Same. And have for a couple of years, now. Brandon brings a great blend of humor and football knowledge. I believe, the term "underrated" is overused; but, THIS channel and it's host is just that. He has grinded for years, and deserves any accolades/compensation he receives.
Same. I'm a Seahawks fan and I just like watching Broncos fans melt down about their shitty decisions.
I've been watching him for years boys, I was single in a basement suite when I started watching him, I'm damn near married now in my own house. I have used Pernas videos on my lunch break for years now to get me through the days around my bullshit boss 😂 Perna will forever be a legend in my books, it's just sad to think one day (very far from now) he won't make videos :(
This guy is the only Broncos fan on UA-cam I can tolerate
Same here. Especially now that the Broncos are so bad. I can relate to his pain because I am a Giants fan.
John elway thanking himself will never get old! Even he got a kick out of it when he said it!
Top 10 freudian slips of all time.
Kyle Shanahan coaching Josh Allen and George Kittle on the Broncos would be something.
How many coaches have we been through since Shanahan joined the 49ers? He was the coach we needed when he was available
"WOULD'VE BEEN" something.
That Fields over Surtain take only ages well if Fields significantly develops as a passer in his third year.
Aged like Milk
@@davidfoster2629sad but true I was really pulling for fields too. 😂
I’m here in the future to tell you, so far, Fields only good game came against the worst defense in the league
AKA Denver Broncos
I would love to see this for every team in the nfl. Could be a new series
I think what really settles it about the Broncos drafting history is that the two best and most accomplished QBs in their history were ones they didn't draft. Both were drafted by the Colts, in fact.
Neithef Rex Grossman nor Zach wilson were drafted by the colts my guy
I'm a Bengals fan and just subscribed to your channel, and I can truly say Bengal fans feel your pain
At least things are looking optimistic for y’all. Feels like every day, something bad happens for my cardinals 😭
They really need new leadership.
Oldest team in the league dude, cardinals are cursed
Bruh get out now. Cards have had a hundred years to figure it out and never will.
Yikes that Justin Fields take 😂😂
"Bitter old fuck" good one. Almost shot coffee out the nose.
Id love draft recaps for every team. It is a great way for new fans to learn about the history of their teams
I love the "balls deep" episodes. Thank you!
Of all the wacky catchphrases to echo in my mind when I hear Russell Wilson’s name, the one’s that stood the test of time is “…..that’s not what he wanted to cook.”
Patrick star
Depressing years and drafts…
You should compare the Raiders drafting of the last 5 years to the Broncos. All of their overreaches and missed first round picks are insane. Also the fact that the only have one player left on their roster in the 2020 draft and it was their last pick.
Hey man.... leave us alone. We got it rough enough.
Chiefs’ fan here. Enjoyed the video and subscribed. Not here to gloat. I’ve been in your boat! (That rhymed. Lol)
My biggest problem with Elway as a GM was how the O-line was often neglected in the drafts after Manning retired. Other than Bolles, it seems that he drafted undersized O-line projects in the later rounds that didn't pan out. In free agency, he gambled on big men coming off of injuries. No wonder the quarterback carousel happened! The O-line size and skill level is imperative to success of any QB. If you can't give him a clean pocket, he will fail. The league has changed since Elway won the Super Bowl with an undersized O-line against the GB Packers 25 years ago. Maybe he thought that the recipe would still work. The proof is in the pudding. Elway was a GREAT player!!! But as a GM, he fumbled the ball more than not.
Very true. Elway had wonderful career as a player but was never very bright. Hearing him speak publicly is always an embarrassment. Too many former players think that playing the game equates to manage in the organization and they are typically failures like elway. He should have taken his super bowl rings and gone once his playing career ended. Now, especially outside of the suffocating foolishness of their delusional fans, the rest of the football world remembers him as a total failure as a general manager
The back-to-back SB champ Broncos of the late 90's had a big-time running game that other teams couldn't stop, and great backs like Terrell Davis. I never realized those were "undersized" linemen. Also, Elway was hard to sack because of his mobility. Interesting that, as you say, Elway kept drafting smallish project O-Linemen, as if HE was still the QB under center.
I remember wanting Kyle so bad as our new coach. Never understood why we didnt go after him until now. I miss Peyton
What's crazy about 2017 is that Denver had a trade in place with Buffalo if Bradley Chubb had already been drafted.
Thanks for giving the Seahawks a good tight end and backup QB
Don't forget the draft picks and taking an over rated probably finished QB. Lol
@Kory Mulanax better than busted wilson
@@MogtheMad0422 He hasn't failed us yet😂🤣😂🤣 We just needed a bridge. Had no expectations last year, and it was so relaxing. Could finally enjoy football! Not for the first time ever, Russ was just stressing me out the last couple of years😁
@@jasonwethy8360and for paying his HUGE SALARY, too. The Seahawks could not afford to pay his contract demands.
I'm a University of Utah alumnus and season ticket holder, so I mean this in the nicest way: teams shouldn't draft U of U offensive players in the first round. Utah teams--and esp their offenses--are always greater than the sum of their parts, and Utah's head coach Kyle Whittingham is well known for finding ways to maximize the talents of lesser players, which is a necessity when you have to recruit in the same region as USC and Oregon. I love Utah and I give Whittingham all the credit in the world for regularly kicking the shit out of teams that have more raw talent at every position, but that's exactly the point--Utah's excellent team play makes individual players look better than they are. If Garrett Boles, for example, had been taken as late second/early third round picks, the expectations for him would have been lower, he wouldn't have been expected to start immediately, and considering the level of play he eventually reached, he'd be see as a smart pick and nfl success story instead of a borderline first round bust. Alex Smith got screwed with coaching/front office stupidity at San Francisco, but I think a similar case could have been made that his career would have gone better if he hadn't been the first overall pick. And now there's buzz about TE Dalton Kincaid going in the first round, and jesus I hope that doesn't happen because he just isn't ready. Again, if he were to be drafted in the second or third rounds nd given some time to develop without the pressure to start then I think he could have an excellent professional career. But some stupid team like Dallas is going to take him in the first round and make him one more disappointment from Utah.
The fact he was 25 years old when drafted to me means if he was a 4th rounder at Oline, or above I am expecting him to be able to start immediately. If not I might as well take a guy that is 3 or 4 years younger to develop in the first 4 rounds.
Agree on Smith SF was a dumpster fire of an organization at that time Rodgers would not have done any better there.
@@lanceheaps581 i think with rodgers’s personality he would’ve flamed out in SF
The broncos fandoms suffering and their inability to draft, is what makes life as a panthers fan post super bowl bearable
NOBODY understands how much a sustainable QB and front office rises the value of offensive pieces. very good point there are alot of talented skill position players that will never reach their full potential solely because of that
Best NFL talk period! Has made football talk interesting again!
Always like Pirnas commentare on the Broncos. He is always positive while bitting his nails 😂. Good stuff 👏 keep going.
Well written and presented, subscribed!!
Oh man Perna just reminded me of the beauty that is the Walmart Fight Song. What a classic.
Perna you should do a video on the Avs for the playoffs
Is that @Bengal at 11:02?!? I love when my subscribed channels collide!
I was born in Springfield Missouri and lived most of my life and emporia Kansas so I'm a Chiefs fan for the most part that being said I think the broncos had a particularly rough season but they're not as bad as their record would show and this year under the leadership of Sean Payton should be a playoff contender and I look forward to Wilson having a bounce back season
Can you do a draft recap of your second favorite team, the Seattle Seahawks 🥳🥳
I despise the broncos as a raider fan but I enjoy watching your videos for you humor.
John Elway: proof that almost all star athletes make terrible executives.
To Elway's credit, his first two drafts were goldmines and were what built the foundation for Denver's super bowl win. Everything since then has been dreadful.
I'm a Chiefs fan and this video makes me happy.
Watching this 6 games into 2023 and its amazing how Brandon knows how his luck will turn out.
keep on draftin' broncos, keep on draftin' - a chargers fan
The one time Elway passed in a prototypical tools based raw qb prospect….it’s JOSH ALLEN 😂
9:39 - honestly it’s probably best for both Allen and the Broncos that Denver passed on him. He needed a lot of development to be good (he wasn’t good for a while with Buffalo) and he probably would not have turned out nearly as well with the Broncos.
Yeah without Big Balls Daboll and the team they surrounded him with Allen wouldn't be where he is today.
I wouldn’t say one of the greatest in NFL history.
our drafting hitory is questionable to say the least, we haven't had a good first round pick in 10 years and now it's finally coming back to bite us in the ass
My family is Saints fans and hearing Andy Reid being outbid for Paxton Lynch hurts. Reid and the Chiefs *had* to trade up to 10 for Mahomes because the Saints were ready to take him at 11
I love that you can’t do a single video on the Broncos without mentions them taking an L from the Seahawks.
We're still pretty salty about that SB😅
The Seahawks/Broncos rivalry goes back a long time. And the Seahawks have always been that team that the horsies just can’t seem to shake
@@AleisterMeowley To me it seemed like the Seahawks were the Broncos personal doormat for a lot of the 80s and 90s during the Elway years. The only time that pattern was broken was briefly during the Chuck Knox years, like the one time the Seahawks won at Mile High. Hell, the Seahawks were EVERYBODY'S doormat during the 90s.
Brandon you are insane for wanting Fields over Surtain considering how their careers look right now
I think Justin Fields is a good player but no George made the right pick. Justin wouldn't have changed anything in 2019 or 2020. If anything you should feel that way about the Wilson trade not the Pat pick
@@tombosley3048 well 1 Justin didn’t get drafted until 2021 2 as a bears fan I am so happy that everybody let him slip because now we have fields, who broke out last season despite his wr core having the worst route win % in the league, who will now be throwing to the guy that put up 4 catches for 103 yards and a td on surtain
player vs player surtain is obviously better. but if we compare positional values
Fields changes nothing for Denver if they had him over Surtain, Surtain would be an all pro still somewhere else and Denver would be probably be picking first just like Chicago was
That transition at 2:30 looks like Harrison Ford in a nursing home with a stomach ache
I’m glad you did this video. It really shows that sometimes you need to grab the best player other than best fit.
Tell your friends, family, pets, weird guy on the bus, or people who go into stores and don’t buy anything. We all must work together as a team…..to make sure Perna gets that tattoo. Lol
Never understood the infatuation with KJ Hamler. Denver media made Tyreek Hill comparisons. Being fast and small only goes so far if you can’t catch the football and break like porcelain when you do catch it and someone hits you.
"Thank you to John Elway" bruh I'm dead hahahahaha
Watching this video in October of 23 helps remind me that we are all pretty bad at evaluating talent. Yeah the Broncos messed up a lot, but our gracious host missed badly on Fields.
All of your takes are in hindsight. If the Broncos took Fields in 2021 and he played bad, you would've whined about not taking Surtain
Ugh… I was super hesitant to watch this Balls Deep episode because I knew it would be painful. Aaaaand, I was 100% correct. Eight years! Eight years of sucking horribly, missing the playoffs, and losing over and over again to the Chefs. And the reason why is all laid out in clear and concise fashion by the great Brandon Perna and exceptional Will Keys. I don’t think I can take a ninth year of agony. Please don’t suck next year, please don’t suck next year, please don’t suck next year…..
I feel bad for you between the terrible terrible trade deal with the Seahawks Russell Wilson blowing the rest of your draft picks on an old washed-up has-been coach whose only claim to fame is being suspended for an entire season for lying and cheating is an incredibly bad look for Denver and will surely result in a major blow back from karma. I don't think there is anyone anywhere in that organization that has one iota of ethical or moral values. Then you add in the fact that you have owners who don't know a football from an eggplant, it is a recipe for disaster. Maybe consider switching
Could be worse. You could be a Browns fan. 9 years of agony? Try 24, and counting. Plus, as bad as it may seem, at least the Broncos are not a walking punchline to the entire league for gross mismanagement.
i didn’t realize it had been that long for denver
@@lindamccarrel8873 Switching??? Switching what?
Raiders are just as bad as draft fucking there team up bye letting Josh getting rid Carr and Darren waller dum
2:28
You don't have to like it, but this is what peak performance looks like boys !
Just add more to the video. The Broncos also passed on Fred Warner the #1 LB in the league!!!!!!
So depressing
How bad have The Bronco's been at drafting since Peyton Manning?
As a Colt's fan; You are not alone. I am here with you. Though you're far away, *PAIN* is here to stay.
They took Jeudy instead of CD Lamb and Justin Jefferson. That was a terrible pick.
i firmly belive that with a good qb Jeudy would be right with them, he is such a damn explosive WR
As a Chiefs fan these videos are so fun to watch! Keep it up Denver.
What are the odds you watched a single Chiefs game in 2012?
He started off strong - signing already developed and established players - by buying a Super Bowl. I'll take it, but had he been able to parlay that into lasting success, he wouldn't have just gone out with a squeak and a puff of dust. Thanks, John Elway, indeed.
I love this channel lmao
Haven’t paid much attention to Denver’s drafts. For a while I thought Elway’s drafting of defensive players was pretty impressive. What’s really been remarkable though is how bad the team has been at drafting and developing QBs.
They don't want to give them time to develop. They expect them to be superstars from their first game. This is real life, not Madden. It takes time.
At least your team won a Super Bowl in the last decade. It's been more than two decades since my team won a playoff game...
Bad drafts happen. Giving up high picks and paying a non elite qb is the real killer.
My Hawks set themselves back years with the Jamal Adams trade. I suppose there are examples of trades like this working; tyreek to Miami or cmc to the 49ers for example, but generally speaking… teams should keep their picks.
Loved the video, excellent content
Can anyone think of 5 tight ends worth a 1st round pick in the last 20 years? Vernon Davis, Heath Miller, and guy playing with Manning on colts Dallas Clark I think, are the only 3 true game changers who's production couldn't be replicated with other guys.
I'm a lions fan and in the last 14 or so years lions took 3 tight ends in the 1st round. Pettigrew was essentially a bust. Ebron had skill but never actually developed and improved beyond where he started. Then God damn hockenson. Goff through 7 picks and 3 or 4 were going to hockenson where he missed a signal, ran the wrong route or gave up on a play.
But lions took best receiving TE zylstra, best blocking TE Brock Wright, and the one who does both at average level but has high ceiling, and easily matched hockensons production while eliminating his errors.
Guys like Hayden Hurst, Evan engram and Noah fant are basically considered bust or close to it. But if they were drafted round 3 or 4 they'd be a very nice draft pick up
Josh Allen would not be the quarterback he is today if the Broncos drafted him!
We like Lock up here in Seattle. He's a real nice kid with a great arm. Really hoping he can become the future after Geno.
As a Panthers fan I enjoyed this video tremendously
Still cant believe Russel Wilson got roasted by Patrick star 💀
That will forever be meme
I don't think Josh Allen would have developed with the coaching staff at the time for the Broncos. It did take him a couple of seasons in Buffalo to get going, with much better coaching. So in a way, I am happy the Broncos didn't draft him because we wouldn't get to see awesomeness every week.
At least this is what I tell myself to cope with not drafting him.
I think we can directly also attribute Allen's better numbers with the signing of Stefan Diggs. You can afford to be a foot or two off-target if the wide out has created three feet of separation. Not to downplay Allen's own improvements with accuracy and mechanics, that did happen too.
April 14th is not a Sunday. Looks like you need UA-cam Blue to edit this mistake out
Brandon, you should thank the Broncos for jumping up to snatch Paxton Lynch away from the Chiefs.
Part of your allure is as the humorous, lovable, long-suffering Broncos fan. That couldn't have happened if the Broncos weren't actively trying to out-dumpster-fire the Browns and be worse than Mark Davis's haircut.
In a way, that draft pick made you who you are today.
Much love for you and your coffee from Chiefs Kingdom. ❤💛
Chubb over Allen and Surtain over Fields are decisions I'd comfortably make even in hindsight. Yes, you need to get your QB right eventually. But the disrespect for position players is unreal.
Makes sense, they never really drafted John Elway or Champ Bailey.
Josh Allen is a great QB now. But at the time he was just a mountain of raw talent that played at a high school skill level.
The Lions were terrible at drafting until recently.
Very great video Perna!
As a chiefs fan....... Thank you!
Would Denver fans been as patient as bills fans with Josh Allen?
No.
They're not bad a drafting, they're bad at retaining players they draft. But they're great at dismantling Superbowl winning teams.
I cant believe this is my first time seeing the "thank you to John Elway" clip
and here we are in 2024. With a new rookie QB and firmly in the seat to be in the Playoffs for the first time since 2015. Fields is a backup to russel in Pittsburg and Surtain is still playing like a future Hall of Famer. Browning sadly got traded but Cooper is balling. I love this season alot cause it gives hope that we didnt have for ages.
And you have the nerve to make fun of the Ravens, one of the most successful young franchises in NFL history?
Thank you Broncos for everything you've done for the Chiefs organization since Manning left. We couldn't have done it without you.
Let's be honest, you probably weren't a fan before Reid or Mahomes anyways. Just like 50% of all Queefs fans
@@milehighgambler Fan since '77. But whatever helps you sleep at night knowing we're going to win AFCW as long as Mahomes has one good leg to stand on. It must be terrible for you.
I’m not going to watch this video but that thumbnail funnnnyyy ASF 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Peyton Manning was a Indianapolis Colt
I understand your pain but damn as a bills fan I still love Denver for passing on him
As a Panthers fan, I have no sympathy. Sure, you guys have been terrible at drafting since borrowing Peyton Manning just long enough to beat us, but you borrowed Peyton Manning just long enough to beat us.
And now EVERYONE beats you. Sit down lol
i didn’t realize its been 7 years since denver made the playoffs. crazy
As a Chargers fan, I look forward to the Broncos retaining John Elway.
The Chargers have fans?
@@Rambam1776 I stand corrected, I am the Chargers fan.
You can look forward all you want; Elway and the current Broncos management have officially parted ways.
@@pxrays547 Im starting a GoFundMe to bring him back.
lost me around 16:24 alot of what he said doesn't make sense at all.
As a reminder of just how bad RW was last year, Trevor Siemian, a 7th round draft pick and first year starter, had more TDs, fewer INTs, half the sacks and twice the wins. On the plus side, RW was an upgrade over Paxton Lynch.
We have one month to get Perna to 400k? Let's ride😈
Hey to be fair to the Russel Wilson trade. You can’t draft poorly if you don’t draft at all. It’s why I as a Bears fan haven’t complained about a draft in 6 years
On the Josh Allen point, broncos had agreed with McBeane to trade 1.05 for the bills 2 first round picks (I wanna say 1.12 and 1.21? I forget exactly). Unless Chubb was still there. Thus, Chubb got drafted and the bills sent their early first and two other picks to move up and take Allen in a deal with the Bucs.
There should be a playlist called “Year from Hell” with your videos on the broncos last year
I swear to god, I'm going to start a starfish only diet if I keep seeing that Patrick Star meme.
Detroit Lions drafts from 2002-2021. Cleveland can only hold a candle.
Tbh Josh Allen had all the markings of a bust..you trying to sound cute like that would have been your choice but i gaurentee you was callin him the 3 or 4th best qb that year..if not please post something to prove you thought josh allen was the pick to make..everyone sounds smart in hindsight.
that hoodie looks mad comfy