The one Goki fan like, " idk let him warm up, you gotta remember he got that tough skin! (impressive only against base Yusuke) if Genkai trained him he might even become a C class!"
Another argument against the Hiei foreshadow wish casting, and it's a perfect example of Togashi kind of making it all up as he goes, is the fact that after they storm Tarukane's compound and rescue Yukina, Hiei tells Yusuke that they're half siblings who share the same father, when in the three kings arc it's revealed that they're twins
I always read that as they are twins and half-siblings at the same time. Don't ice maidens essentially reproduce asexually? So, Yukina's only parent is her mom and she doesn't have a father. But, Hiei's parents are the mom and the father. Thus, half siblings. And then, I know in real life, some animals are able to get pregnant at the same time by multiple fathers. Thus, I don't see it too far as a stretch that Hiei and Yukina are twins and half-siblings, with the unshared parent being the father because Yukina doesn't need a dad.
@@JustaTyson upon rewatching the Rescue Yukina portion of the show, it seems I misquoted Hiei. He tells Yusuke "She and I have different mothers" Episode 26 "Toguro Returns" at the 3:50 mark
@@DirtyPirate90 Ah. Welp. Yea, that's not going to get explained away. Perfect bit to show that Togashi did not know where the story was going. We could just say that Hiei lied, but we all know that'll just be a lie to cover for Togashi.
This video was really fun lol. Also, if you want to watch/read something really ridiculous/insane give Baki a chance, it's very different from Togashi's writing style, but it's so much fun if you embrace the over the topness.
As a kid, I was so confused why team Urameshi didn't just ask Shizuru to be their alternate after Genkai died. As an adult, I realized that the logical answer was because even though she could kick ass, it was only against her brother, she had no formal training, and people wouldn't want to put her in danger. But damn, I wish she coulda leveled up to be a fighter. Also, thank you, I'm now stuck internally debating the merits of Hiei and Sasuke. But, more importantly, I hate all of the "well, the villain wasn't actually wrong. They had a point and were basically right." It's poor media literacy 98% of the time, and completely missing the nuance to the stories and the characters involved. So frustrating to see that post with Sensui, especially when the story repeatedly points out the flaws in Sensui's logic and reasoning.
im no die hard hiei fan, but i gotta say.....sasuke is discount hiei! he might be more fleshed out, but that doesn't stop him from being the cheap knock off. Hiei would be more fleshed out had togashis health held out. to be fair: I kinda think sasuke sucks, so im certainly bias...even if i love both yuyu and naruto
I think the best that can be said about those apologetics is…you can see how the CHARACTER came to the conclusion he did, but yeah. You agree with his plan and methods? Disturbing. Very, VERY disturbing.
my only thing about Toguro being B-Class that doesnt make too much sense to me is when he says hes too strong to go to demon world, based on the kekai barrier that woukd mean hes at least an A-class. unless him saying that was implying that any normal size whole to demon world was too small, so he needed Sakyo to make a large enough hole to demon world for him to go through.
he's talking about the size of the hole. the space time distortions that randomly open up between realms are tiny holes. he's literally too large, hench and strong to fit through. atleast, that was always my interpretation.
Nice video. 👍 It is interesting to see what others things about stuff related to the fandom. As for some of the stuff there: The power scaling is really important and examples like Goki even passing to the Dark Tournament are silly. At least there wasn't a question: " Who would win? Akagashi and Iwamoto vs Yomi." Also, when it comes to Sensui, I kinda wondered why he didn't immediately go after the rest of the Black Black Club after seeing what they did. Especially Tarukane (at least in the English dub) and Sakyo, who were the ones that made Black Black Club into the horrible organization that it was.
With the ice hurting or not hurting him debate,When death battle had him fighting Sasuke they literally did deep dive research proving that elemental attacks do not hurt him fr.
I clicked and you cooked😂😂😂!💯 I decided to go ahead and buy the DVD set because of this video because yes it's my comfort anime as well and for ish and giggles got the S.H.Figuarts Yusuke Urameshi.
oh man, i forgot chapter black part of a set...we need the lore on the collection lol. a chapter white could be a quite cool contrast. Sensuis a dickhole saying "I've seen people do bad, so all people must die" ....like bro....were you doing bad? no!? so some people don't do bad huh...
Toguro being a secret S class is a fun idea, cause he was the big bad of the best arc (in my opinion in anime ...iv'e seen at least) buuuuut your argument does kinda decimate the idea of it being canon lol. well done. Fun concept tho. (multiple comments for different ideas and better metrics for the uploader, yea im doin it lol. ill bust each idea into a new comment if i can...but im almost out of video lol)
I've got my popcorn ready for this. I'm in this group; I seldom post/comment because I question just how much attention they paid to the series by a lot of the commenters & posters. Lmao. Probably gonna write this comment while viewing, so it'll probably get long- but I can't help it because I love this series dearly. (Side note: I, too, have watched the series a disgusting amount of times. It has me genuinely questioning if the posters and I watched the same series.) Goki gets, shall I say... shit stomped. I agree he does not make it off the boat if he's put on the same track as Team Urameshi. Though I will say he doesn't even make it to the finals. I'll be generous and allow him a pass to make it into round two. As for Chinpo- when the Genkai tourney bunch got mentioned- I only remember his name because of the Abridged Series having a whole bit about him ".... wandering". The YYH to [insert series here] comparisons make me sigh. Hiei is my favorite anime character, but I attribute that to his character being a big source of comfort and inspiring strength when I was a kid. It started as cool factor, sure, but he was definitely an inspiration in my middle school & high school years. The Shizuru fanart for a hypothetical. I think that one in particular is just a really fun one for people to explore, just because Shizuru was shown to not hesitate in throwing hands when necessary. Toguro gets Kentucky fried by any one of the three kings. Spirit World did not disclose the power classes until Koenma's hand was forced by Sensui's scheme in Chapter Black. It drives me insane when I see posts like that in that group, saying they know better than the person who made the series. The Chapter Black arc is my favorite of the series. I used to prefer the Dark Tourney over all others, but the older I got the more I came to truly appreciate Chapter Black the most. (Like, I actually really genuinely want to see the live action get to do that arc because so many hints were dropped in what we actually got.) Sensui as a character is terrifying, because he had such a black-and-white world view his entire life just to have it absolutely decimated- which makes him fascinating as a villain imo. I think he was such a good follow-up antagonist to Toguro. I do like your mention of Chapter Black being part of a set (I frequently forget that).. Though I think the focus was specifically on Chapter Black specifically because of the [i'll call them] cultists doing the Feast of Human Vices which seemed to worship that specific tape. (It's actually been a hot minute since I've watched the series so maybe I'm wrong there- feel free to correct me on that.)
I really don’t agree with a lot of what this dude is saying, the screenshots are posted so that people can get reminded of the series they love, some of the what if scenarios are interesting and you clearly seemed interested given how much you delved into it, while I don’t necessarily like the Hiei comparison sense Sasuke still a great character, your really playing down Hieis character by saying he’s just an edge lord when his mystery is meant to add to his character, look I’ve been in this fb group for over four years and while I don’t frequent it much anymore, I’ve seen so much bs posted that bro completely ignored like the ridiculous amount of Hiei x Kurama ship posts for example and he focused on the dumbest types of posts, the community also has a lot of showcases of people who just genuinely express their love for the series, I know it was stated he only thinks 75% of the posts are what he’s saying but idk this didn’t feel like a good representation of the group at all, no hate to bro I’ve never seen any of his videos but I really don’t see most of his points, the point with Sensui at the end was valid tho
The one Goki fan like, " idk let him warm up, you gotta remember he got that tough skin! (impressive only against base Yusuke) if Genkai trained him he might even become a C class!"
Another argument against the Hiei foreshadow wish casting, and it's a perfect example of Togashi kind of making it all up as he goes, is the fact that after they storm Tarukane's compound and rescue Yukina, Hiei tells Yusuke that they're half siblings who share the same father, when in the three kings arc it's revealed that they're twins
I always read that as they are twins and half-siblings at the same time. Don't ice maidens essentially reproduce asexually? So, Yukina's only parent is her mom and she doesn't have a father. But, Hiei's parents are the mom and the father. Thus, half siblings. And then, I know in real life, some animals are able to get pregnant at the same time by multiple fathers. Thus, I don't see it too far as a stretch that Hiei and Yukina are twins and half-siblings, with the unshared parent being the father because Yukina doesn't need a dad.
@@JustaTyson upon rewatching the Rescue Yukina portion of the show, it seems I misquoted Hiei. He tells Yusuke "She and I have different mothers"
Episode 26 "Toguro Returns" at the 3:50 mark
@@DirtyPirate90 Ah. Welp. Yea, that's not going to get explained away. Perfect bit to show that Togashi did not know where the story was going. We could just say that Hiei lied, but we all know that'll just be a lie to cover for Togashi.
Brother is slowly morphing into Snoop, and I'm here for it
The guy saying Toguro would go toe to toe with the 3 kings was definitely on something, bro has the worst logic 🤣
fr, it's like saying Freeza could beat Buu lol
@@Green-3c34y65vrbuWell with a few months of training...🤷
How far would Yusuke’s jerk teacher get in the dark tournament? 🤔
This video was really fun lol.
Also, if you want to watch/read something really ridiculous/insane give Baki a chance, it's very different from Togashi's writing style, but it's so much fun if you embrace the over the topness.
yea definitely need the subreddit version of this for sure, great video
As a kid, I was so confused why team Urameshi didn't just ask Shizuru to be their alternate after Genkai died. As an adult, I realized that the logical answer was because even though she could kick ass, it was only against her brother, she had no formal training, and people wouldn't want to put her in danger. But damn, I wish she coulda leveled up to be a fighter.
Also, thank you, I'm now stuck internally debating the merits of Hiei and Sasuke.
But, more importantly, I hate all of the "well, the villain wasn't actually wrong. They had a point and were basically right." It's poor media literacy 98% of the time, and completely missing the nuance to the stories and the characters involved. So frustrating to see that post with Sensui, especially when the story repeatedly points out the flaws in Sensui's logic and reasoning.
im no die hard hiei fan, but i gotta say.....sasuke is discount hiei! he might be more fleshed out, but that doesn't stop him from being the cheap knock off. Hiei would be more fleshed out had togashis health held out.
to be fair: I kinda think sasuke sucks, so im certainly bias...even if i love both yuyu and naruto
Fandom Facebook groups eventually turn into gross echo chambers of extreme takes and circle jerks.
Bro if youre someone who agrees with Sensui. And I mean this respectfully, get your head checked......
I think the best that can be said about those apologetics is…you can see how the CHARACTER came to the conclusion he did, but yeah. You agree with his plan and methods? Disturbing. Very, VERY disturbing.
I can definitely see myself when I was an edge lord kid posting some dumb stuff like that. lol
Some days I do lol
my only thing about Toguro being B-Class that doesnt make too much sense to me is when he says hes too strong to go to demon world, based on the kekai barrier that woukd mean hes at least an A-class. unless him saying that was implying that any normal size whole to demon world was too small, so he needed Sakyo to make a large enough hole to demon world for him to go through.
he's talking about the size of the hole. the space time distortions that randomly open up between realms are tiny holes. he's literally too large, hench and strong to fit through. atleast, that was always my interpretation.
Your opinion is why I'm here more of this lol
Nice video. 👍 It is interesting to see what others things about stuff related to the fandom. As for some of the stuff there: The power scaling is really important and examples like Goki even passing to the Dark Tournament are silly. At least there wasn't a question: " Who would win? Akagashi and Iwamoto vs Yomi." Also, when it comes to Sensui, I kinda wondered why he didn't immediately go after the rest of the Black Black Club after seeing what they did. Especially Tarukane (at least in the English dub) and Sakyo, who were the ones that made Black Black Club into the horrible organization that it was.
these posts prove that powerscalers don't read or watch their own series lol
Aww thanks for the shoutout dude!!!
With the ice hurting or not hurting him debate,When death battle had him fighting Sasuke they literally did deep dive research proving that elemental attacks do not hurt him fr.
I clicked and you cooked😂😂😂!💯 I decided to go ahead and buy the DVD set because of this video because yes it's my comfort anime as well and for ish and giggles got the S.H.Figuarts Yusuke Urameshi.
Oh shit just clicked and I'm in this Fb group. Hope I don't get called out in this video 😂
Love this style of video, would love to see/hear your thoughts on other anime like JJK
oh man, i forgot chapter black part of a set...we need the lore on the collection lol. a chapter white could be a quite cool contrast. Sensuis a dickhole saying "I've seen people do bad, so all people must die" ....like bro....were you doing bad? no!? so some people don't do bad huh...
“Couldn’t be bothered” lol
Really enjoyed the video would definitely like to see more like it
Toguro being a secret S class is a fun idea, cause he was the big bad of the best arc (in my opinion in anime ...iv'e seen at least) buuuuut your argument does kinda decimate the idea of it being canon lol. well done. Fun concept tho. (multiple comments for different ideas and better metrics for the uploader, yea im doin it lol. ill bust each idea into a new comment if i can...but im almost out of video lol)
15:07 WRONG clearly the answer is E) Baldok who can murk anyone including Goku but chooses not to cause he humble like that
Shit, u rite. The Bat Tamer stomps lol.
I've got my popcorn ready for this. I'm in this group; I seldom post/comment because I question just how much attention they paid to the series by a lot of the commenters & posters. Lmao. Probably gonna write this comment while viewing, so it'll probably get long- but I can't help it because I love this series dearly. (Side note: I, too, have watched the series a disgusting amount of times. It has me genuinely questioning if the posters and I watched the same series.)
Goki gets, shall I say... shit stomped. I agree he does not make it off the boat if he's put on the same track as Team Urameshi. Though I will say he doesn't even make it to the finals. I'll be generous and allow him a pass to make it into round two.
As for Chinpo- when the Genkai tourney bunch got mentioned- I only remember his name because of the Abridged Series having a whole bit about him ".... wandering".
The YYH to [insert series here] comparisons make me sigh.
Hiei is my favorite anime character, but I attribute that to his character being a big source of comfort and inspiring strength when I was a kid. It started as cool factor, sure, but he was definitely an inspiration in my middle school & high school years.
The Shizuru fanart for a hypothetical. I think that one in particular is just a really fun one for people to explore, just because Shizuru was shown to not hesitate in throwing hands when necessary.
Toguro gets Kentucky fried by any one of the three kings. Spirit World did not disclose the power classes until Koenma's hand was forced by Sensui's scheme in Chapter Black. It drives me insane when I see posts like that in that group, saying they know better than the person who made the series.
The Chapter Black arc is my favorite of the series. I used to prefer the Dark Tourney over all others, but the older I got the more I came to truly appreciate Chapter Black the most. (Like, I actually really genuinely want to see the live action get to do that arc because so many hints were dropped in what we actually got.) Sensui as a character is terrifying, because he had such a black-and-white world view his entire life just to have it absolutely decimated- which makes him fascinating as a villain imo. I think he was such a good follow-up antagonist to Toguro.
I do like your mention of Chapter Black being part of a set (I frequently forget that).. Though I think the focus was specifically on Chapter Black specifically because of the [i'll call them] cultists doing the Feast of Human Vices which seemed to worship that specific tape. (It's actually been a hot minute since I've watched the series so maybe I'm wrong there- feel free to correct me on that.)
Never seen Baki 👀
Oh shit I think I'm in this group
Haven't seen YYH but some of these cracked me up 😂
I fell asleep everyday at jury duty. Gtfoh
I really don’t agree with a lot of what this dude is saying, the screenshots are posted so that people can get reminded of the series they love, some of the what if scenarios are interesting and you clearly seemed interested given how much you delved into it, while I don’t necessarily like the Hiei comparison sense Sasuke still a great character, your really playing down Hieis character by saying he’s just an edge lord when his mystery is meant to add to his character, look I’ve been in this fb group for over four years and while I don’t frequent it much anymore, I’ve seen so much bs posted that bro completely ignored like the ridiculous amount of Hiei x Kurama ship posts for example and he focused on the dumbest types of posts, the community also has a lot of showcases of people who just genuinely express their love for the series, I know it was stated he only thinks 75% of the posts are what he’s saying but idk this didn’t feel like a good representation of the group at all, no hate to bro I’ve never seen any of his videos but I really don’t see most of his points, the point with Sensui at the end was valid tho
15:44 you don't know who the guy on bottom left is?!
I don’t but please let me know so I can check the show out!
Hiei > sasuke
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