I Don't Care if This Makes Sense - Chilling Threadripper Pro 7000
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 - Intro
1:03 - Build Redux!
1:19 - Our Falcon Northwest Talon
3:00 - Playing around with 96 Cores
6:14 - Modifiying our Industrial Chiller
8:34 - Preparing for Overclocking
13:03 - Overclocking
19:50 - PC Very Frosty
20:40 - Squarespace!
21:26 - Outro - Наука та технологія
Thank you so much to Linus & team for putting our Talon thru even more than its usual paces, and congrats on setting new world's records! It warms our hearts to see you used it for what we would want to use it for ourselves: gaming.... I mean 'playtesting', as this is obviously a Game Development system for serious folks (that will crush an Unreal Engine compile)! Thanks for including us in such a fun project! 😄
Legends say you built the only PC that actually *_can_* download more RAM
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing Well yes that is true, but only because we included a Six Demon Bag with each system. 😉
I always wanted a Falcon Northwest growing up way back in the Athlon Thunderbird 1.2ghz days. Glad to see you guys are still around !
@@Falcon_Northwest You really shook the pillars of Heaven.
Got a Talon a few years ago, still the best PC I have ever had :)
Looks like I need to get an upgrade to this 96 Core beast....got any spare?
Edit: Thankyou for the mention. I nearly fell off my chair and spilt my Tea 😊
BTW, my PC is also Tea cooled so that makes a "huge" difference 😅👍
My favorite gaming channel kinda collaborating with Linus?!? 🤯🥳
@@TimHoff85thankyou 😊
I was so pleasantly surprised when I heard them mention your channel.
With how that game played you'll need to take a lot of tea sipping breaks.
I did such a loud HA! when they said they were gonna try Cities 2, and then even louder when they said you provided the city! Cause who other than UA-cam's premier CS creator? Love to see it!
Linus seems alot more passionate, energetic, and happy since he hired someone to manage the company while he focus on the creative stuff.
It was indeed an amazing idea
Yeah for sure. It would have been so hard to continue to enjoy being creative whilst also running a company of their size. Good on Linus for being able to let go a little bit.
Yes but the funny thing is that Linus likely still has the majority of shares, meaning he still is the boss. Lol. But yes you're right he is now less inclined to tell people what to do (and what not to do)
@@z2six I mean that was the whole point... In essence, it's still his company but he doesn't have to spend so much time on the daily management and operational side of things.
@@z2six That's why young peeps dream of being CEO while old peeps dream of being shareholders. Shareholders own a portion of the company and the Board ultimately dictates the long-term vision, but they don't have to handle the busywork that CEOs do.
12:39 If stepping down as CEO freed Linus up and leads to more genuine smiles from him like this, I'm sure the content is gonna be fire.
linus definitely did seem like he was having a blast doing this video. one of the best LTT videos in years IMO
I mean take the lesson here guys. It doesn't get much better then having enough money to buy stupid toys and play with them with the boys. No woman will ever make you that happy, I promise you.
Alex and Linus just going crazy with cooling high end CPUs and GPUs with the most overkill and jankiest methods has to be my favourite LTT series 😂
Yeah, Alex is easily my favourite writer.
+1
Literally
@@ydfhlx5923he likes HP though.. I am still confused. Gotta be a nostalgic thing 😂
To be fair, this was one of their least janky setups. Quite clean.
Hi Linus! I work for Thermo Fisher Scientific and we use those chillers for multiple instruments. For one of them it's to cool down a Peltier cooler that cool down a detector to -45c. We simply keep the detector under dry nitrogen or argon and that stop condensation. You should give that a try!
I'm pretty sure they have a tig welder there so they should have an argon bottle on hand. A simple cardboard box with taped seams would work fine for a purge chamber.
Enviro Chamber looks sealed and closed loop. Could be dry, cold nitrogen :)
@@justion337 If they keep positive pressure then they should be good!
LTT I definitely want to see the world's first argon submerged computer!
@@piroblaster I'm a pharmaceutical stainless steel welder, it doesn't take much to get a good purge. If they seal it off good, once it's purged it should only take like 5-10 cfh flow rate to keep the purge.
My 3990X has gone through two motherboards(and you can no longer buy them new) as memory controller chips kept burning out... I had to say goodbye to my sweet prince but 2x £900 motherboards in like 3 years is just not ok. I hope this is something they've fixed for future versions...
What were your OC settings? I have a decent motherboard and overclocked mine only up to 4.3 GHz on all cores.
Weird I've had a 3900x since launch and have had 0 issues with my motherboard.
Edit: Oops misread, thought you said 3950x!
Zen 2 had leftover memory controller problems from zen 1 and zen1+ albeit not usually so bad. Zen 3 pretty much eliminated all of that. Can't say they'll be as stable as xeon's over 15 years time span, but you shouldn't have that issue anymore.
Can you adjust SoC voltage, maybe downregulate the CPU/memory speeds a little, might help.
Also I thought the IMC was on the CPU, but I'm not too knowledgable on threadrippers, maybe the motherboards got something on them that a normal consumer motherboard doesn't.
3900x and 3990x are different ahah @@dbousq
The mem controllers on ryzen CPUs are on the CPU itself. The connection between the CPU and the RAM on your motherboard is basically a glorified wire. Whatever you burned was not a memory controller.
This build is pure insanity! The scalability potential of this 96-core Ripper is mind-blowing. I can't wait to see what crazy experiments you conduct next!
I'm sixty-five years old, but watching this video made me feel like I did when I was 30 and had just bought my first PC. Tinkering to improve system performance became may favorite pastime.
70th like
You know you could fund my pc and I could feel the same things you feeled 🙏🙏🙏
@@_North Get a job . . . 🤭🤭🤭
Im a lot younger than you but my first pc that was actually mine was a pentium 1 @ 90 mhz and I put an SIS 6326( I still own lol) then got a voodoo 2 that I still have. I love tinkering, I have like 300 video cards.Sometimes I find one in a box and Im like "oh yeah I forgot about you" I used to benchmark cards all the time.They range from really crappy no 3d functionality to rare cards
@@kyles8524enough jibber jabber in a comment thread. Create a channel and show us the goodies 😍🤪
Wow, this Alex and Linus janky cooling was surprisingly clean thanks to the chiller and the environmental chamber.
Only on LTT
It’s cool to see falcon featured on your channel. Around 8 years ago I watched a youtuber named bulletbarry, and he worked there. He was the person who got me into computers, and I wouldn’t have thought there would ever be a link between you two.
Tuning in for the first time since 2022, and I love how well written and smooth the new videos are. You guys have some real magic. Props
A lot of the new videos with more technical information are much better because of the labs which allow the writers to focus on the writing and not the detailed information because they can out source that for no additional cost to them
Alex And Linus cooling pcs got to be my favourite video series on LTT.
Linux techtips
*linus
That's right, I would not run Windows on this
I remember then doing the cooling videos on the 2990WX, which then pulled a "measly" 580w.
Linux?
The crossover I never expected, biffa plays indie games and linus technological tips. What a world to live in.
Ooo, can now link hermitcraft minecrafters to LTT via Biffa.
It seems like any UA-camr is mentioning another one these days. I guess it has something to do with the UA-cam algorithm and clicks are going down for all of the big players. I don’t mind it, I love collabs
@@KasmiurIt's cool to see that I'm not the only one that tries to find links between people like that 😭
I certainly wasn't expecting it!
@@Kasmiurand I love bacon so... Kevin Bacon!
I just love when alex is the project lead and linus working on his instructions
I'm really impressed by Cities Skylines 2
they managed to make a game that can be played decently well (up to 100k residents) and at the same time be so compute intensive that it's a benchmark for the strongest cpus
as they said, they really made it future proof
So it's no longer "can it run Crysis?" it's "can it run CSL2?" now
@@jur4xYes, exactly lol
What would be impressive would be if the game could scale its load to accommodate slower cpus even at higher populations. Don't take me wrong, I don't know how that would work at all. All I'm saying is that would impress me much more. After all, what's particularly impressive about using more cpu power to do the same thing more times? That seems totally logical to me.
What city of 100k residents IRL has a respectable skyline though? Cities Skylines 1 runs cities of 300k decently and is 9 years old. Sure it doesn't look as pretty but at least it looks like an actual city instead of a town.
I dont think so. The CPU utilization is poor, so it doesn't run smoothly. You can see how badly it was programmed, but nothing more. Factorio is much more impressive and can do much more with the CPU resources.
Linus if you read this comment you legally have to give me one
Edit: Linus totally saw this smh bro broke the Terms and Conditions
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What are you gonna be ripping exactly 😂
Ok take it
Nah
@@_czarr_ Minecraft
So top tip on the environmental chambers, after going bellow the dew point set a slow profile to a few degrees above ambient and leave it there for 10 mins. Then you can take the kit out without any condensation risk.
If it can keep the humidity near 0 then they can just crank the heat to ambient and pull it out after a little bit.
Their air dryer should already be pushing -40 dewpoint air, so other than the VRM cooling they didn't even need to take the chamber sub-zero.
Unrelated reply, but your profile pic is soo cute
Yeah, I was thinking they went through all that effort to avoid condensation then just pulled it straight out for it to completely frost up?
Key is slow cooling and heating, preferably over night or a few hours. If they actually cared.
Please do more videos like this, this style is so much better than an normal review
I needed this for work. Thanks for the review
Hey just a suggestion if you use the environmental chamber again for something like this in the future. If the environmental chamber can control humidity then you can bring the system back up to room temperature inside the chamber in a low humidity environment. Then you won't have to wait for the system to dry out because there won't be any condensation.
I was really confused why they didn't do this other than saying it needs to dry out for days might sound like better content.
In a video prior, they did mention it can do humidity, but that they don't have the setup for it as of right now.
Maybe they couldnt let the chiller run at normal watercooling temps.
@@flummi6966 You wouldn't need to run the chiller while warming the PC up though. Just turn everything off (including the PC) and let everything come back up to temperature
@@Xyler94 I do remember them mentioning that. I would be surprised if they still didn't have that capability. It wouldn't make for much of an environmental test chamber
4:10 I'm glad to see that this Paradox Interactive Gaming Experience is universal to every PC in existence.
Still not enough power to do lane mathematics!
Good news is it really multi-cores. Bad news is it multi-cores real bad
I think i should point this out. Thank you, linus tech tips, for giving timestamped chapters in your videos. This lets us skip the sponsorship without any hassle. Thank you for going the extra mile to make this experience more enjoyable for us.
12:23 I'm from Finland, and oh how well I remember when I was a kid and got a computer as a present in winter. Me and my buddies had to wait a full day to be allowed to hook it up and start it. That was rough! 🤣
Another Finland thing: Up until 1995, mopeds in Finland were limited to 1,1kW total power. So in essence this CPU is using about half again as much power as a moped back then. 😂
whoa! one, one kilowatt? one, one kilowatt doesn't seem like a lot of power for a moped. they should have made it closer to five, five or ten, zero!
Hey quick info for you if you see this!
That screeching sound can be minimized by adjusting the fluid flow by adjusting the regulator screw on the back. Check your documentation, but for my chillers the preferred set point is 75. You can see this value by clicking the down arrow.
Fun fact, citites skylines 2 uses Unity's new Data oriented technology stack( DOTS) , In short it can manage processes across multiple threads, scheduling job to ultilize the full scale of a cpu leaving the devs free to not worrry about scheduling parrallel taks if they follow the DOTS pattern. Its really exciting to see what can be done. Its another reason why citites skylines 2 had bad performance, when they started to dev this game a few years ago DOTS will still verry early in production and did not have all the systems implimented, Entity graphics being one, so CS 2 devs had to make a work around, and this is why it crapped out.
Kind of like how the 2080 could do raytracing but it was terrible to actually use
And now unity stopped DOTS development till god knows when😂😂😂
It seems to also just be horrendously optimized. I vaguely remember someone pointing out that each person's face has several hundred vertices and the game just doesn't LOD them away even at a distance.
@@jatoxo
while your not lying about the optimized part... as a a game needs to be finished before optimization and the game seems far from that state. However they did fix the LOD issue you mention but there remains alot to be desired with almost every other aspect of the game.. However I have to admit, and as disappointed I am, I have seen the makings of a good game inside, minus the bugs and completeness. They maybe correct when they say the bones are there for a good sequel and that is a fitting description cause it really feels like just the bones at this point.
Yeah, hopefully the devs can work to improve the game a lot. Thinking about how much they cared for cities skylines 1, I'm not too worried about it.
These videos, combined with the server stuff is what I love most! Keep Alex fed with all the stuff he can break🤪
Nice that you guys finally caught up with Dave's Garage who showed off its abilities some time ago. But he didn't cheap out on the RAM like you did.
You guys could look into RV anti-freeze, it's a totally different chemical composition than standard antifreeze because it's made to go into drinking water pipes during storage.
No, it is designed to turn into a slush, but not expand so that it does not burst any pipes.
In my experience with "winterizing" equipment...RV antifreeze is a no go, it doesn't freeze hard but it will turn to slush around -20F, but is used because its *USUALLY* not glycol or methanol based (rather ethanol) which makes it safer for anything that might be around or for food. We use the same kind of blue windshield washer fluid for what we do, for that reason (methanol based and protects passed -40F, along with no human consumption worry)...It stays a liquid until at least -40F, and doesn't have the same environmental impact as propylene-glycol ... I don't have any experience with temps below -40F though.
It turns to slush, no good
Today I learned! Thanks for the corrections
Cool that @biffa has given Linus this city!
I'm sure that many people have commented this, but things like the overclocking fuse are used by manufacturers when analysing their RMA devices in order to separate manufacturing problems from customer problems.
I work with a chiller that runs to -40 deg and I have had a line freeze despite using antifreeze. Luckily I had installed a couple power resistors as a precaution and once I fired those up I was able to get the coolant flowing before any damage occurred.
One interesting fact about game engine design is that number of thread support is a core design and support element. Many pieces of software require significant redesign to support modern CPUs.
Glad to see Falcon Northwest is still around. I remember waay back in the day the two options for the best prebuilts was Alienware and Falcon Northwest. iBuyPower and Cyberpower were a thing but not quite as big as they are today. To any young person reading this, yes Alienware was one of the top dogs back in the day before Dell bought them.
I don't see Falcon NW mentioned much anymore. Imalways wanted one but it was cheaper (and more of a learning experience) to build my own.
Hearing falcon northwest reminded me of when I watched bulletbarry who used to work there
Alex is really good at balancing the intricacies of "fuck around and find out"
This is tech at its most fun…..wonderful job guys and thanks for the many great hours of entertainment 🏴
I still remember how excited I was when I got my first dual core Athlon. Man, this is insane.
Same… had a Athlon X2 5600
I built my first custom PC using the first 1Ghz chip from AMD. To this day I'm still impressed AMD beat Intel to 1Ghz.
There are industrial fluids out there which can have a much greater temperature range but you will be paying $100usd a gallon or more for them. They are designed for cooling electronics though and many of them are designed to be in contact with the components. The frost was also for effect, when you cool electrical components down to super cold, you also bring them up to temperature in a CDA (clean dry air) environment so you don't get frost.
Best LTT video in years, I had a blast watching it!
It makes me so happy every time the pull out the water chiller
I love how often that chiller gets utilized. It makes me smile every time it appears in a video.
6:00 To give a comparison of the score results. I have a 7800X3d and I get 18500 points on the same test and they got 114,000. Quite the CPU this thing is.
That's really cool.
What settings for the 7800X3D? PBO etc.
@@FrietjeOorlog No changes. There is eco normal and overclock options through ryzen master and I picked normal. Zero overclock so maybe you can hit 20k over locked? even still far bit away lol
I get 29500 on my laptop single run and 26000 10min..
@@radugrigoras dang nice!
11:00 - you may dryer of air and make humidity ~0% and there also no water on cold elements
Load Line Calibration Level 1 is the one you want, it maintains a steady voltage across all frequencies and usage.
I dont know what it is.. Its like watching LTT from the past with better production. Love it!
man ive been waiting for these type of videos from you guys. its good to see the lab in action
This is the best video they've made in awhile. and I like all LTT videos. I just liked this one a lot
It's like ads, I don't see warnings. This deeply resonates with me.
i cannot wait till 6-7 years from now i forget all about this and randomly find one for not too much on ebay
one day ... :)
More Alex always please. The Jank is overclocked now and I'm here for it.
I love the opening for this video. Good attitude
Whenever I see that chiller in the frame I immediately know it is going to be a good one.
This is such a better video for the product than a review, good choice.
Hats off to whoever wrote the script.....The hook at the beginning was stupendous! Beautiful hook! Excellent scriptwriting!
Glad to see how many people are biking to work!
Hey @LTT You could use camera from cold to hot trick to avoid it getting that moisture and wait few days. When you finished before getting it out from that cold thingie you can wrap it into some kind of plastic bag and let it warm itself in that bag. It won’t get that moisture then. It will stop that condensation coz that moisture is in hot air around you :) just for future tries ;)
Try BMW H12
70% concentrate - 30% water
(maximum freezing protection)
-67 C
And if you into spoofing do 90% H12 - 10% Water For a As tested -78 C
Make sure to use the distillate water
64 cores is a Windows limit to due with how it "bundles" threads, there are ways to use more than 64 in Windows by using multiple "Bundles" but doing so will add unnecessary complexity for most programs and actually hurt performance vs single bundle on systems with less than about 80
That's only for home edition. The pro edition Windows 10 is up to 128 cores. Windows 11 pro supports up to 256 cores and dual socket systems.
yes they do support more but the processor group is still 64
You guys had way too much fun with this! this was so entertaining!
Man it’s satisfying to see massive amounts of threads crunching R23
This is the kind of stuff I watch you guys for. Awesome
I absolutely love the Alex x Linus crazy janky build / cooling series videos! Please do more of these, they're the best :D
I’d love to try one these on a 1600+ thread parallel test suite we use in work :)
It takes an M1 Mac Ultra about 35 seconds to crunch through all the tests maxing out all 20 cores.
We use these CPUs on our developer servers for remote development and I can confirm they are awesome
The title when I clicked this was "I Don't Care if This Makes Sense - Chilling Threadripper Pro 7000" I am a huge fan of this type of title and clicked it as a result, having the second part be descriptive is very appealing to me
"Why did you do this thing"
"I don't know, someone else told me to"
You could use silicone oil or if you feel especially daring, use methanol for cooling medium for extra deep cooling.
Janky Alex and Linus videos are the best and some of my favorite ones. I always like when Linus just has no idea what's going to happen next.
You guys at LTT really make tech fun
This may be the first computer I’ve seen built that I couldn’t even afford to power it on.. that’s kinda neat.
I thought I’d seen everything. 1,000w CPU.. I mean at that point you reallly gotta do everything right or you’re gonna burn your house down lol.
Edit: alright.. that was a cool ass video. Thank you! What you must have spent to give us a neat video to watch. Awesome, I’d never get to see something like this in real life.
If that trend continues then North America will have to switch to 230 V at some point 😂
it's just fun watching these type of videos, keep it up! guys XD
always good to see Alex in videos
Alex, Linus, and crazy hardware are a great combination! Can we do Epyc next?!
Linus, is there any chance you could go over the 4x DDR5 debacle? I know it’s had its teething issues but there’s a lot of improvements been made. Be cool to see just how fair it’s come on both Intel and AMD platforms. I’ve searched everywhere for something recent relating to the topic and everywhere is dead or follows the same old copy and paste Reddit post from 2 years ago.
Digging the grungy hanging wire crapshack laboratory vibe on this video.
0:22
The moment i saw alex come into the frame, i was like: "oh, this is gonna be fun fun"
I was literally just looking for a new upload, here it is!
Lol
With 192 logical cores, it might be possible to play Doom on the Task Manager monitor.
Check our Level 1 Techs review of our similar RAK system... 😁
Amzing video glad you got your chanel back
in order to demoisterize it you should keep it in a chamber with room temp but connected to dehumidifier. Some compressor like model would make it dry much faster..
4:00 I think this is actually Windows limitation. A single process cannot use more cores and if you want to compute on more cores, you have to use multiple different processes with threads distributed to multiple processes.
Without knowing which kind of license they use here it's hard to pinpoint why exactly this happened. That's one of the fields where Home and Enterprise handle things very differently though I'm only familiar with this phenomenon on W10 where big CPUs get split into multiple processor groups and your process could only run on one of them or something like that.
I really appreciate Gary's appearance on the video and would like to hear from him more.
What I love so much about Gary is, he's an engineer I've known about since before LMG hired him, he's an expert on motherboards, and yet still when asked about something like 'what is curve optimizer?' he just says 'I don't know'
Dunno why I find that so endearing, but I suppose it's that I too used to play around with settings that I didn't know much about, to see if get a performance boost. Back before the wider internet it was the only way to go.
Just stopping by to say how much Iove and appreciate LTT content
Brings back memories of my old overclocked Quad Opteron :) That thing would eat 1100 watts no problem on Opteron 61xx ES. i never got a chance to run 4 Opteron 63xx ES on it though.
Gary is so wholesome. Just putting that out there.
I started clapping at 17:02 👏 😂 I’m using an I7-6700, ARC A380 LP, 16GB DDR4 at 2133MHz and 1TB M.2 Crucial P3 (Gen3x4) but I was so excited as if that system was mine 😂. Great Job guys.
i love alex. he always somehow seems like he's never been on camera before and has no desire to be; basically the foil to energetic linus, but with such wholesome energy hahah
Speaking of consumer workloads, code compilation performance can scale linearly with the number of cores (assuming you have the memory bandwidth and capacity to back it up). Compiling chrome or what have you should be insane on this. If I was building my own workstation I'd 100% go with the 64 core variant of this thing and would never have an excuse to slack off because "my code is compiling" again.
Linus. Please more super chiller videos. Genuinely. Slap it on some older chips and overclock the snot out of it.
Maybe even on a gpu?
Last time I tried to use "AI Overclock" or auto-overclock on an Asus motherboard, it downgraded my perfermance. I found that it stopped the cpu from boosting for some reason and kept it running at regular base speed.
Love this how much fun their having just pushing the limit of CPU that what PC was made for for overclocking.
You work so damn hard holy crap!
Alex reminds of a car mechanic who always leave a few bolts laying on the ground after a job decently performed
😂
If it works without them, then you just optimised away unnecessary mass.
I'm around mecahnics all the time, and it literally took you mentioning it for me to realize the uncanny likeness 😂
Linus seriously Never disappointed us. From: The Pug Army
Now this is the type of stuff I like to watch LTT for!
I would love to test this on some of my geophysical datasets I have had to run recently!
Damn! This is going to to be wild CPU!
Damn
Just watched through the whole video - I really have to say it's one of those videos I'll watch again somewhen in the future because I enjoyed it a lot. You guys have changed A LOT and I think it's amazing! We don't want you to create as many videos and work yourselves to death... we want you to do interesting stuff and be happy! Hope this is actually the case.
Do you know what I find funny about this comment? As far as I can tell, this is basically just another video in the series of videos that I have dubbed "torturing computers with the chiller" and some of those videos were shot long before that controversy ever happened.
People will see what they want to see. Believe what they want to believe, but when you actually look at the facts, very little has changed even though people's opinions on something have changed dramatically
@@the_undeadlet people live in their nativity bubble.
@@PhyrexJ for various reasons, it would be better to learn what? I am trying to teach them sooner rather than later
Linus and Alex going full mad scientist are my favorite videos from the channel by far.
hilarous editing at the start its amazing