Snap On's New Every Day Carry 3/8" Impact vs M12 & More: CT861
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Our live rank list has moved! torquetestchan... Our teestore which includes a new Bolt Expectations Poster!: bit.ly/3z98ryF On today's episode we look at the all new Snap-On CT861 thanks to @Diabolical58 . We've had plenty of Snap On featured recently, and this is is it for awhile. But with new models like this one, we couldn't pass up the opportunity to see where a dedicated 3/8" every day carry sort of gun designed for 2022 stacks up against other models designed for 3/8" work and Milwaukee's M12 2555-20 stubby impact wrench. It does some things well or even better than advertised, and some thing not quite as well as cheaper options as usual. Decide for yourself and enjoy!
Torque of TTC is working for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches (air). TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
Anyone else keep a dirty stubby for brakes 'n such and a clean one for interior work? I think this is the last of Snap-On new impacts (?). We're headed back to more cost effective tools in the coming weeks! Our tool ranking list has been moved: www.etsy.com/listing/1152216140/ttc-live-rankings-chart?transaction_id=2888974799
Torque of TTC is working in product development for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches (air). We're not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool.
I keep 1 Stubby haha. Use it for everything and clean it. Nice trick I've learned is TOOL MAINTENANCE.
I find it most useful in 3/8".
I use 18v tools outside and m12 tools inside lol.
@@ionstorm66 I'm holding off getting in to 18v. Hoping Milwaukee releases a new high torque soon 😂 for now I use the shops Snap On air impact for the heavy stuff.
@@alexehhhh when you a diesel mechanic things get dirty real quick and theres not a ton you can do about it either Lol. mine went from red to a black pretty quick, still clean just stained
Speaking of cost effective tools, I’ve managed to snag the seemingly allusive (to me at least) new brushless Bauer impact driver and I’m willing to send it over to you if you’d like. I also have the 3/8 you guys tested already that can be sent to see if the anvils can be swapped up to you guys though!
Nice opening line: "It must be that time of the decade..." 😅
They seem to fall off the map for most of a decade then BOOM, buncha new models. Making us look like the Snap-On Test Channel lately!
@@TorqueTestChannel I appreciate a nice opening line. They are hard to come by.
As a Snap-on franchisee of over 16 years i represent that remark!😂
And time for a new Boston album.
@@TorqueTestChannel it’s TTC #facts
I've had a 3/8 brushed Snap-On for 5 years now, ergonomically I'll use that over literally anything else on the market. Side note, in automotive forward torque isn't overly relevant, most of the time you're zapping something quick and "that's good enough" or you're hand torqueing it correctly.
Yes, exactly. I recently changed careers from being a tech and I have the ratchets and impacts in 1/4 and 3/8 and they’re the perfect assembly and disassembly guns. I was a Benz tech so everything needs a specific torque spec anyway so the forward torque never mattered in my eyes
@@hagggle3727 I bought a quarter in DeWalt just for that won't over torque most bolts but gets them in fast
I have had my brushed 3/8 snap on for a few years I love that thing use it for everything dont care what it cost if it were twice as much I'd buy it again it is just so damn convenient small and light for what it does.
Yep, I used to buy 3/8 brushed snap-on guns over anything else. Then, a few years ago, I found myself needing a gun on the weekend, and was no where near work, I bit the bullet, and bought a milwaukee 12v gun, and haven't bought another since. It was quite a shock to not have to replace a worn out, barely functioning gun every 12 months. Heck, I even replaced my 1/4" drive, and 1/2" drive guns as well. I'll admit, I missed the snap-on trigger for a few minutes, but when i noticed that I wasn't having to reach for the ratchet every other minute, pretty quickly got used to it.
The ergonomics are really good on the snap on stuff. Work provides us with Milwaukee stuff and the handle is so short I always am switching power levels (another useless feature) frustrating when you are hanging upside down in a haul truck.
The M12 stubby is without a doubt my #1 go to impact in the garage. It's held up amazingly well for the last three years.
I have a good chunk of the M12 line and it just blows me away. I have yet to be able to justify buying into M18. Note: I'm a mere homeowner, so take that as you will.
I keep waiting for my old m12 to kick it so I can replace it with the new stubby, but it just keeps going and going. I thought it was on it's last legs a couple of weeks ago, it was struggling to get things loosened that I knew it never usually struggled with. Then I gave all the screws a nip and snugged the hammer housing back up, and now its like new again.
@@V8VRUte i might have to try that too
Love my m12 stubby
No, no, I'm a mechanic and I still don't need any m18 stuff. However I do have my 1/2" snap-on pneumatic impact at my disposal and almost nothing says no to that thing 😂 @@corystansbury
@@corystansburywell to validate you. I’m an industrial electrician in pipeline business. I carry the m12 line for most my work, with some m18 options in the van. I rarely bring out the m18 mid torque for anything other than flange removal (tightened to about 200Nm).
another great analysis done by TTC I just wish the Snap on got credit for how narrow it is, often I can't fit my m12 stubby in certain places due to its width and grab my 761 and get it where it needs to be to loosen a fastener. plus the advantage of the rocker trigger anyone working in the rust belt can attest to the convenience when working a rusty nut or bolt back and fourth.
I wish milwaukkee had made their 2505 drill have a rocker trigger instead of the awful direction button on top
Yeah true and also they are all stubby 3/8s snap ons new stubby 3/8 puts more than 500 out and is way more compact then all of them
Milwaukee still has their 2454-20 3/8 impact which should have the same form factor as the CT861, if that helps.
Great video man! It was definitely a great experience sending it to you!
Thanks D58!
M12 stubby is my favorite most used tool under the hood. Just a beast for it's size
same, i have the 3/8th m12, i use it everyday the things awesome for its size
@@tylerr676 yeah between the stubby and 2767 I haven't touched the air guns in years.
i have it too, what i found out is that if it doesn't remove it i need a breaker bar either way
@@Lee-lb9qh yeah I've not used one of those, I'm not a huge fan of dewalts 18v range
I own a CT761 and was my daily go to driver for everything. Loved it, did almost everything I asked it to do. Recently the motor started to go out and just smells like an electrical fire any time you pull the trigger. I bought a M12 3/8 Compact as a "Temp" gun while I waited for the new CT861 to be released (this was back in October of 21). I can now say the M12 is far more superior to the brushed Snappy in terms to power, but that CT has the narrow and long body making it it super easy to get into tighter/ narrower spots, especially when you cannot use an extension. The M12 being Stubby and basically a block with a grip makes it funky to handle in tight areas. Overall I'm still going to use my M12, sometimes more the my CT9075 1/2", and probably don't plan on trading up to this new CT861.
I'm glad I'm not alone there. I had mine for 8 years as a daily driver and mine did the same thing. Went up and smoke and stopped working. I'm on the hunt now for replacement motor for it but all the equivalent replacements come from China so I've been hesitant to order. It's super easy to change the motor it's just a matter of getting your hands on it. It was a damn good daily, beating book time without it hasn't been possible on pans 🤣
Mine did the same thing I sent it out and snap-on rebuilt it for i think $80 at the time. They literally replace everything that has any damage, even the rubber condom. Actually i think they just gave me a whole new unit because i couldn't find anything about it that didn't look new.
@@d3faulted2 exactly what snap on did for me, for 70 pounds I got a new impact, pretty good service really.
@@d3faulted2 I would of sent mine out but I would been without a 3/8 power tool. That why I went out and bought the Milwaukee for a temporary drop in. Ended up liking the M12 more so I never sent my snap-on in
@@LegoMan547 My Snap-on guy gave me a loaner tool so I had something while it was sent out.
Yeah it's nice having a 3/8" impact that will tighten but not strip out stuff so you can come back and torque them to its specs.
There is power levels on the Milwaukee. Even one that stops it on the first impact
Snap-On is stepping up their game! Those reverse numbers certainly are nothing to sneeze at, very impressive for the size. Thanks for sending this out, Diabolical58!
Yes you can feel it too
My favorite part about the new gun vs the old one is the improved rubber on the handle. Just like on the brushless ratchet, it seems to stand up better to brake cleaner. I wish they gave it the same halo light like the brushless ratchet got.
I have that craftsman, I got it in a set of 4 tools for 100$ came with 2 small batteries, I've been very impressed by it
I use both the Milwaukee and snap on tool everyday and most times I find myself reaching for the snap on just because it’s lighter and way more natural and comfortable in the hand, plus the rocker switch is just better to use on a small compact impact.
I find how the narrowness of the snap on a huge advantage as well
I love my m12 stubby and it feels really good in my hand I wouldn't switch for any of these.
Too thick grip, i got a Makita 18v 1/2” subcompact, perfect grip but quite low in ugga-dugga. Low weight with 2ah battery, except for lugnuts it gets more use than my bigger 40v XGT stuff.
Plus for your typical driveway mechanic stuff, the M12 stubby has plenty of beans
@@rivercress1042 we use therm for almost everything in our city fleet shop. Love the weight and compactness. Of course the bigger impacts come out for higher torque applications
I'm about 6'5" with large hands so the grip of the m12 tools are perfect for me and I can really tell a difference in the feel of the build quality vs most other brands. Unless milwaukee completely loses their minds and gets crazy expensive like snap-on or starts making subpar quality tools I'm good with them. Plus I have the Ridgid mid torque and high torque for heavier solutions.
@@nicksrandomviews1296 yep I am a big guy and the m12 is a good fit for my hands. I have the same affinity for my FN Five seven, lots of people thing the grip is too large, but it fits my hands like a glove.
Haters will hate but I'm personally loving what Snap-on is coming out with lately. I have the predecessor (CT761) and I love it as my go-to every day. I used to think the rocker trigger was goofy until I actually tried it. It looks to me like this CT861 is an improvement in almost every way.
I have both now and they’re great. The 761 always lasted and worked well being abused.
Same. Everything that snap on has been updating is just awesome. Just got the new brushless 3/8 standard and long neck ratchets and they are better in every way. Better lights, power and still just as fast.
Not trying to hate but whats would be the advantage of it over milwake? Not trying to down talk it but it isnt as high torqe as most of the other stuff. I assume youll know since you own one and have experience. Mind you I didnt use alot of tools so Im not big brained on this.
@@trentmorrison6074The snap on is narrower and the trigger feels better to me. I don’t really use them to break bolts, just feed, which is what I was told they’re for.
So this is a EDC impact wrench? Can anyone recommend a retention holster for it? 😆
Depending on your state laws you might need a CCD (Conceal Carry Driver) permit 😆
The m12 stubby is probably my favorite impact for engine tear down. For suspension the M18 mid torque is definitely a better fit since it’s just so much stronger. I love them both though.
I have the 3/8 Milwaukee and it's been great. I've used the 761 snap on and really do like the rocker trigger. I would have seriously considered it if they were closer in price
I'll take the M12 Fuel stubby 3/8 any day. I do like the Snap On rocker switch, but the price and the light duty power levels, I couldn't get valve covers and plenums off with it...M18 bit driver does them with ease at 1/3 the price. :)
The Snap-on brushed and brushless models have the same anvil/hammer mechanism/spring, so there's virtually no difference in power between the two. The brushed version has always been underrated.
Since the snap on favors reverse it should be called "snap off" ...
I get the reason everyone comes to this channel but most I know have a real air gun to remove the tight stuff then the 761/861 for convenience
Exactly. If my 761/861 won't get it I immediately go to air tools.
I’ve had the 14.4v snapon cordless ratchets in 1/4 and 3/8 as well as the cordless impacts in 1/4 and 3/8 and love them both.
When I first started using this impact the rocker trigger felt weird. I’ve actually grown to love it over time.
If somethings stuck, going back and forth is a brease. Co workers had a bunch of problems with his (3 or 4 guns) over the last few years. Milwaukee, worst case i know i got a 5 year on most of the tools, and its got plenty of power ect. I'd love a design like the paddle 3/8 but yeah
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL, THEY NEVER LET YOU DOWN ALLOWS WITH SOMETHING GREAT. IT'S LIKE THERE TELEPATHIC OR SOMETHING EITHER WAY WE LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My biggest problem with the m12 stubby was i couldn't get one to last longer than 10 months to a year. That and the fricking batteries falling out constantly drove me to the 761. And now I'm waiting for my 861 go show up.
I've got their older brushed 1/4 inch impact and it's a good go-to because that rocker switch makes it easy to run rusted stuff up and down real fast to break the rust off the threads so it doesn't seize up and snap-off. However I have no desire to get this gun at $300, the 1/4 inch is already as long as my 1/2 drive Dewalt mid torque, sure it's narrower but jeeze.
My 761 is basically useless and requires a $150/year membership rebuild cost. I refuse to pay it anymore and will be going M12 once it finally dies.
Unless this video shows something good...and my driver gives me more than $12 on trade in I won't be upgrading, let's see how it goes!
edit: the verdict is...unsure. While I'm glad that snap-on has joined the 2000s and gone brushless and I still really really like the form factor, I'm not sure I'm ready to drop $460 cad on a new one battery kit with a useless warranty. they're not even listing the 861 on their website yet, either, so we'll see if they want even more money.
I'd be cautious with the M12 in a mechanic environment. I found the batteries do not hold up and vibrate loos constantly. My apprentice and my Foreman both have M12 and have the same issues with theirs.
I'd looking at the DeWalt PowerStack batteries and 3/8 impact instead. Their electric ratchet isn't great, tons of power but bulky as all hell.
I’ve had my ct761 for three years, hasn’t broke on me yet. I use it a lot on Honda lug nuts cuz it’s only lugs that can be taken off with this impact lol. But I feel you, the upgrade is not with the price of admission. They made it longer too? WTF! Doesn’t Snap-on not know their impacts are getting a beat down everywhere on UA-cam?!?.
Dude wtf. You can’t go wrong with either tools. Snap on has the edge on ergonomics, feel, and the battery engineering on the tool. That’s it. Milwaukee has the edge in price, much better tool lineup, more torque/power, and that heavy duty tool. Both will do fine in a professional automotive setting. To all the crybabies that say Milwaukee batteries fall off or wobble, Milwaukee batteries are so easy to get. If you actually take a few minutes to hunt for one you can get new batteries on sale anywhere for cheap. Can’t say the same for snap on.. I’d say go Milwaukee unless the extra couple hundred bucks in the long run are worth it for the ergonomics. Peace
Great for body guys. Enough juice to take a fender or bumber, or door off, and fits alot of places.
You should try testing different air fittings, like the Flexzilla and Milton High-flow setups. Seems like more people would benefit from a upgrade that costs a few bucks and potentially benefits all their tools, then buying a whole new tool
Just go G Type fitting with 1/2" hose and not worry about it.
I really do like the slimmer body of the Snap-on 3/8. I also have the M12 3/8, I really like it too but sometimes it's just too fat to fit.
Would like to see a 3/8 SKIL 12V. I know its not the most powerful but I’m interested in the amount beans it can produce, 2ah vs 4ah battery.
I'm sure some people think this is hilarious, since Skil basically rebadges a lot of cheap stuff, but I appreciate these kinds of things. I'm finding the torque wars are ruining smaller fasteners on typical jobs. People want to be macho and carry some beast of a tool into a job, but then the fasteners get stretched or heads get twisted off, or the material splits, and your project fails in a week. For me, I'm more curious about how much force three impacts (ugga duggas) from a 12 volt tool is giving, so I can actually use it and know that I'm not over tightening things. Like that Skil 3/8" might be a great tool for snugging small fasteners "hand tight."
@@John-do9ei As much as I like seeing the torque numbers of the big beasties, for my actual needs it's usually a good size mid-torque and these lower torque models. Also a good 1/4" impact driver for helping with yard projects. I have the 3/8 model of the Milwaukee stubby in the video and it's great I mainly got it for working on a previous truck I had due to its' compact stature. I also have the 12V 3/8 Hercules from HF, which I have yet to use. I bought it for its compactness and feel in hand for when it comes time to work on my dirt bike project. My older brother has the same little Hercules and likes it a lot, he used it for replacing the passenger-side rear brake caliper on his minivan and it did well. He also had his oldest son helping him with the task. As for the big beasties, I got my father a DeWalt DCF899 for Christmas to help him with working on his fuel trucks. :)
@@John-do9ei I don't know about the Skil 3/8 but their impact driver has some serious power. Snaps screws, annihilates fasteners and I cracked a socket faceplate while trying to be extra gentle. Same body as the 3/8 just different anvil. Honestly might have more power than the M12 compact, I've got them both in the workshop and they can both do lug nuts pretty easily unless we are talking overtorqued and rusty.
I just bought that CT861 on sale and man I really love it. The weight is awesome, for what I do the narrow design makes it easier to fit into some specific places and the battery life is fantastic, I hardly ever have to charge them more than once every two weeks. I still love my other milwaukee stuff tho but this new snap on is finally catching up, can't wait to see more good stuff from milwaukee when they gotta top the bar again 😂😂
Edit: I have officially fell in love with the snap on 14.4v line up and I'm going to try out the 9050 when I get the chance to buy one from my local tool truck. I hope the 18v lasts long too and works well in the tractor semi industry.
Can't get enough of these videos, thanks for the great content
The ct861 is my daily and gets used for 95% of what I do. I also have the half inch ct8850 for the 5% use case on bigger stuff up to 1 1/2”. There’s something to be said for ergonomics and the overall fit and comfort of a gun; how it really feels in the hand. The ct8850 is perfect imo. Power is very important but it’s only a part of what makes a great impact.
I have the older snap on. Im in love with the rocker switch. The does what I need it to do. I have bigger guns for bigger jobs. If I was going to buy again and I was on a budget. I would have to go with the M12
Just picked up the two battery and charger kit today and coming from a dewalt bit driver I ain’t complaining. My
Coworker has a ryobi 3/8 impact and is vibing on the brushless snap on. I’m satisfied.
Milwaukee continues showing why it’s the king in impacts.
Not in 1/2 any more
Power alone doesn't = best. An impact that can't even keep a battery attached is pretty freaking worthless if you ask me.
@@upnorth5465 Hasn’t been my experience and tons of other’s as well.
Excellent testing as always, I would love to see the M18 compact in 3/8!
They've done a test in the past, its basically identical to the m12 compact. 3/8 and 1/2 seem to perform similarly as well. My hunch is they're all the same motor and hammer in the compact line.
I’ve owned the olde version for about 3 years now. Used it damn near every day. the brushless is so much more smoother and responsive well worth the investment
I’ll just say I’m glad I’m a Milwaukee guy. They just work and work well.
Awesome video once again, you just don't quit. I feel like the main reason mechanics get into the 14.4v line is their ratchet is next tier. They put out great torque and can be used like a non electric.
I may have missed it but cordless ratchet testing would be pretty cool to see if you ever run out of impacts and drivers. Seems to be their best 14.4 tool in my opinion.
Milwaukee ratchets are better
@@pnwoffroader331 sorry bud. But I've used both (own milwaukee cause cost) but that snapon is 99% of the power but is sooo much smaller in the head. If I could afford it I'd probably get a snapon electric ratchet
I went from 1/4" snap on ratchet to Milwaukee. The snap on is slightly better.
I like the milwaukee gen 2 3/8 ratchet the best
@@pnwoffroader331
No.
Brushed?! My 761 is brushed!?
You’re breaking my heart TTC.
The size, weight, endurance, and that lovely rocker trigger though have me using my 761 as much as possible.
If Milwaukee makes something with that trigger but smaller and cheaper I’ll be all over it. It’s my only Snap-On in a sea of Milwaukees.
i have a 12 volt craftsman that I have had for yrs that takes off all the little stuff and can spin lugs off once broken free......I graduated to bigger stronger ridgid in 3/8 and 1/2 inch but that craftsman always comes back to the table with a ton of things to do around the house...the button on the Snap on takes some getting used to, but power will overcome that annoyance but price was always an obstacle for me in that market
That easy forward/reverse trigger is insane. Really thinking about making the change for my impact.
I’ve had my ct761 for about 10 years and it’s still going strong best investment for any tech. I did just get the ct861 but so far it’s good although since it’s brushless i doubt itl last as long as the ct761 before getting refurbished.
I’ve been a Snap-On user for many years but have been switching over to Milwaukee battery powered tools and have not looked back even once.
I have two of the CT761 guns for their size they’re really good tools. If I were to do it all over though I’d go Milwaukee.
I own the Milwaukee and my pops owns the snap on and I’ll 100% take the snap on every time. Plenty of occasions with no room to hand crank and the Milwaukee torque isn’t enough to even break timing bolt cover screw I’ll always have to reach for the snap on. I love my Milwaukee impacts but when it comes to the ratchet snap on takes the win
The big advantage of the CT761/861 over the Milwaukee is the rocker trigger and the hinged release clips on the batteries. I have 6 year old SnapOn batteries but I can’t get a M12 battery to last more than a year before the locking tabs crack and the battery stops making good contact.
Same, M12 battery casing is absolutely garbage.
Opposite experience here. My snap on ct761 battery falls out at the lightest breeze, and my m12 stubby stays in way better.
Put some dielectric grease in the female pin slots on the battery. It makes it slide in and out much easier, snap-on likes em tight.
IMO i love my snap-on, i have the older brushed model. Yeah it's not as powerful but i don't want it to be, i want to run fasteners in and out without having to worry about snapping them. That rocker switch means more to me than raw beans. If i have something i really need loose or tight, i'll just go for a bigger impact.
I have the m12 stubby and the older snap-on 3/8 the snap-on its a way tougher impact it may not make as much power but I’ve dropped it from some pretty good heights with out any issues. I’ve only dropped the m12 once from about 3feet and the battery broke to pieces and had to be replaced. There are a lot of places the snap-on will fit that the m12 stubby won’t because the snap-on is so narrow
I own the ct761 and the ct861. . I love the the ct761 but allways felt a little under power for every day auto work. The 2way switch is perfect and just enough to keep me from m12 stubby. Ct761 Struggled a little bit more than I liked. Now the CT861 i can honestly say it fix every single performance issue I had with it. Hit hard Especially when breaking loose things. The 2 guns don't even compare in that category Period.. Hits hard and don't Struggle like the old one. I could feel that it's a stronger gun than advertised. To me it's a perfect gun They also fixed the lights so it stays on now for a period of time which is awesome.. One more thing I forgot to mention Even seems I use it more because it's so strong that I did the ct761. Certain jobs that I did I knew that the ct761 couldn't do. Now I have no question with the CT861 so in essence I do more things and use it more than I did the old one. Just took snap on so long to get a brushless version of it but I am but I'm totally satisfied with it at this point . I don't see me getting any other gun . This one it seems like the perfect mechanics on at this point. The only question right now is durability since the stronger gun will have a tendency to beat itself up I won't know that yet. But for now it is awesome. This is a mechanics gun. It was designed for automobile repair.
It definitely has a lot more snot than the older one.
So much I had to looked in the manual and it says it's rated for 225 ft lbs of break away torque.
Makes more sense now.
I know people try really hard to hate snap on but those CT guns can’t be beat when you take everything into consideration. Those of us that use those guns in the repair trade absolutely love them. You don’t need a lot of torque in forward… they designed it that way for a reason. Milwaukee makes awesome tools but face it, no one has topped snap on in the 3/8 category
Love me some Milwaukee, but that craftsman sure seems like a great deal
I’ve had my 14.4 brushed since 2015 use it everyday never missed a beat and batteries have had no issues. Not a torque monster but has been great for me in international dealer
I got the new CT861 and am pretty happy with it so far. I've mostly been using it to pull and reinstall rocker covers on V12 diesels at work. One battery lasted me almost 5 engines worth of 5/16 bolts, so removing and installing at least 200 of them on one charge. I had the old brushed version and it didn't seem to last anywhere near as long
I had the ct761 when it 1st came. Sold it to get the m12 stubby. I've gone threw so many batteries on the m12 that I just recently switched back to the 14.4 stuff. Got so tired of the batteries breaking all the time. I never had any issues with the 14.4 stuff before getting the m12 stuff. Really love the m12 tools but the batteries design is terrible.
I'm surprised the M12s battery didn't vibrate loose. Or break it's tabs off and then no one warranties it because Milwaukee's "3 yr warranty" is a fucking joke.
I had a m12 6.0 battery warrantied in about 10 days from milwaukee. They paid shipping both ways. Bought it on ebay too.
Update: I Traded my CT761 and $100 for a brand new CT861. Things it notice, it's MUCH heaveir than the old model, it's a touch longer, the LED lights now stay on after you pull the trigger briefly. It's also harder to modulate speed. The old CT761 I could modulate the speed very linearly. The new CT861 only has 3 speeds you control via the trigger pull. Its harder to modulate. But man does it have some power!! Fasteners under 17mm it should have 0 trouble with. I was pulling Ford Transit wheels off (7000km on the Transit, 150ft-lbs wheel torque) no problems. Would impact for about 3-4 seconds and the lug was loose. $100 worth the upgrade.
I have the smaller 3/8 IR electric impact, it's definitely not very powerful but I like it specifically for that. You would have to go full tilt for quite a while to break an M6 bolt. For a small gun in this category I would definitely prefer less beans, if it requires more beans than I can switch to my similarly sized IR 3/8 TI Max air impact. I would rather take the hint when the small gun can't loosen something rather than snapping it.
Im a diesel tech and the m12 stubby has been a beast it can even remove transmission bolts
Snap on silly pricing aside it looks like a really nice tool. Form factor, 2 way switch, and sensible reverse torque biasing are all advantages over M12 tool IMHO. The milwaulkee is good enough for the girls I go out with however.
I would love to see the M12 3/8" impact. I mine to do a lot of wheel end work on commercial side by sides.
From personal testing, they make exactly the same power 1/2 vs 3/8.
I'd love to see milwaukee make an M12 get closer to 4 or 500ftlbs.
@@MrAPCProductions Co worker has some old snap on 1/2 impact monster lithium or something. It STRUGGLES to get even a four wheeler axle nut off some days. My mid torque smokes it, and my high torque is rarely taken out, and if it doens't get it, you need to heat it cherry red, or cut it off.
There's no difference
Same motor same gearbox same battery
The 3/8th just has a slightly smaller anvil which is inconsequential
@@Alucard-gt1zf There's no difference I suppose, other than the anvil. Though, I do want to bring up the fact that I used a 19mm 3/8 deep impact socket to remove a lugnut, and it did not work. I then used an adapter (3/8 to 1/2) and a 19mm 1/2 deep impact socket and it removed all my lugnuts with ease. TTC made a video about this regarding mass, and I think the best option would be to get a 3/8 model rather than 1/2. I don't know if a 1/2 stubby would've worked with a 1/2 19mm deep, but Shoptoolreviews made a test using m18 1/2 and 3/8 compacts, and 3/8 blew 1/2 out of the water. Not sure if it applies for m12 stubby's.
@@Alucard-gt1zf there could be a difference in the electronics that holds the 3/8 back. It's not just a direct connection from battery to tool, there are microprocessors in these tools nowadays. Considering how popular it is and that it just beat the more expensive snapon it would be worth knowing with 100% certainty that the 3/8 off the shelf is just as powerful.
I knew a guy that would work on cars at autozone with that same snap on impact. I would do brakes down there for spare cash and I swear I watched that thing go up in smoke by the time I was on my second battery.
This video made me buy the first on my dealer go in and it live in the cab of my service truck with a 9/16 on it now I use it so much
Ive recently purchased the ct861. I love it. Its great for everyday use. My big 1/2" dewalt with the 9ah multivolt battery is great for pulling axle nuts and about anything else, it can get heavy using it all day.
If you're doing at work test keep the socket the same length no use a deep well on one and a shallow on another with the length you change the numbers
For air tools in the lbft/lb column, the compressor and air hose should be included in the total weight calc since it is attached to the gun during operation. 🤣
Or maybe just a few feet of air hose to simulate weight when used
It wasn't the Milwaukee or Snap On that impressed me but the Ryobi and Craftsman. No idea why you would buy Bauer when there is Ryobi and Craftsman.
Would love to see you guys compare this to the Milwaukee 3/8 M12 2454-20 as they basically directly compete in shape and ergonomics.
Socket weight and flex definitely matter. use the same sockets for testing or quit testing.
Turn the tool upside down. Use 1 thumb to push up on the snapon battery while using the other hand to squeeze the latches and pull. The battery is not that hard to get out. It take the power of 1 thumb to push it out.
I have the m12 stubby 3/8 impact that was used for 4 rough years. I’d gladly send it in for testing. It has no power unless you put a 6.0 battery on it. I also own the snap on ct725, and ct761, and dewalt 12v impacts. Overall the snap-on has the best hand feel and balance. The only thing close is the dewalt 12v lineup, or the Mac (dewalt) 12v.
Snap on I mainly use for interior work, I treat them better as they cost more. They stay way cleaner. The rocker switch is by far the best design I’ve ever used of all my tool brands.
Can’t wait to see the new matco stubby in the rank charts!
The CT761 I had burnt up 3 times. Kinda burnt my relationship with snap on electrical tools.
Have an M12 3/8 compact, and big Ryobi 1/2 in, love both glad I found this channel. Won't try and top my M12 for a while
In the shop it's more about removal than install. I love Milwaukee M12 tools but for the environment in which the Snap On was designed for it is about perfect. Price wise, of course it costs more, it a tool truck item. That means that I put a few dollars down and took it to my box. If a issue does arise he will be here next week to take care of me. This convenience and CS does come at a cost but he has taken care of me for many years now. A few times if I didn't have the cash on me but needed something or a good sale was on something he let me take it without any money at that time. That comes from the relationship we have. The cost of a item isn't always the total picture of what you get. Of course no one, well almost no one, would seek out a truck to buy tools for home use.
Although I am no longer being a tech in a shop environment I still "collect" a new Snap On or another tool trucks Tool. After 45 plus years of wrenching and building/modeling homes (both my passions) I really don't need new tools. But sometimes you have to scratch that tool itch.
Thanks again for another great video.
Stay strong brothers.
the new bauer brushless impact drivers out, i can't wait to see it here
The delivery of “102” killed me 🤣
Just bought a Snap on off Ebay yesterday. A co-worker of mine let me use his and I loved how light and slim it was. UPDATE 11-4-2023: absolutely love my Snap on 3/8 electric impact. It's light and my go to for zapping a quick bolt. (Semi truck mechanic here)
Hands down regardless of power I love this new brushless CT. I had the regular brush and that gun held up a lot of fights. Survived all the way to its trade in. The compactness is very important in my line of work and in my experience the tool payed for itself multiple times so thats also why im not worried about the price. Also brushless may make this tool last longer than my old impact.
I bought a demo CT861 and was able to remove 20 17 mm lug nuts torqued to about 105 Ft lbs
I’m a diesel mechanic about to purchase all new battery impact tools, I have access to all the trucks but it’s definitely between Milwaukee and snap on. I absolutely love how small the 14.4 snap on impact is I love the shape and size and weight and the trigger and it definitely does decent work but it’s twice the price and the snap on battery tool line is nowhere near the size of Milwaukee’s so I would still have Milwaukee in my box if I went snap on lol oh man
The trigger on snap on is amazing!! Price is way to high, but using on a daily basis i will say the trigger and lower power is honestly great for everyday work on cars. It is enough power to remove everything needed and you really have to crank it to over tighten bolts
The 3/8 milwaukee literally wakes up with a 4.0 or bigger battery 🔋. A great go to hip shooter!
I have the previous version of this fap-off 3/8 impact. I was a young and dumb lube tech at the dealer and got lured into the r*pe wagon and eventually walked out with one. My coworker gave me the coldest look for it lmao. I was only at that job for 3 more months and then from there on I just wrenched on my car at home.
Yeah, $480 was REDICULOUS to pay my 3rd week on the job, but 7 years later it is still my favorite tool in my box. I use it every single time I touch my car.
You need to use the same weight of sockets for this test. A heavier socket hits harder than a light weight socket.
Brushless motors can be shorter in overall length then a similar sized brushed motor but it’s not a given. Often times motor manufacturers will use the space left behind by removal of the brushes to increase the length of the rotor and stator thus getting more power out of the same size. If the motor is sensored then it usually stays the same size as the space taken up by the brushes is now used for the sensors. Granted none of this means they have to do anything in terms of size but when you consider the high dollar cost of molds and machining equipment that’s already setup for brushed motors, most manufacturers don’t bother with changing the overall motor size when switching to brushless just to keep the production costs in check.
Thats why I use both milwaukee and snapon impacts. Snapon for under the hood, milwaukee more small suspension and brake jobs.
I bought a few snap on 14.4 volt tools
I love the 1/4" electric ratchet
Only use the 3/8 gun on my garden tractors.
It's a gun thing I have 1of each and depending upon the job of how many beans needed as what to grab
The ct761 was but now the Ct861 is my go to every day tool. A close second is the 14.4 long reach ratchet hard to beat eather with the compact and rocker switches.
I think area under the curve would be a cool comparison to add to your charts
Its pretty tricky math! Av tq per sec is very similar
Purchased the m12 last week and boy oh boy…love that lol thing
I have the M12 in 3/8 and 1/2 I reach for the 1/2 way more because of what I have for sockets. Mostly because my deep impacts are really deep and it helps with the fat body. But either way I'd love to see the 861 with a 1/2 anvil.
The snap-on may not be the most powerful but the way the gun is designed makes it far better than the competition. For what you would use a gun like this you don't need a ton of power. I've worn out 3 of the brushed model and never hesitate to buy a new one.
After owning the m12 3/8 stubby and CT761 brushed 3/8 impact for years now, I have to say both are amazing impacts but personally I prefer either or for different jobs… that being said I think the Milwaukee is better bang for your buck but the snap on definitely has its place and is super convenient to use because of its rocker trigger
At around 2:33 you mentioned how air tools would beat out cordless when comparing torque per weight, due to not having battery weight. It isn't fair to compare a bare tool air impact to a cordless with battery, but I think it could be a fair comparison if you added some fixed weight to the bare air tool's weight, to account for some length of unsupported air hose and fittings that will be hanging off the tool.
4' of 3/8 air hose weigh next to nothing. Air is still king of the hill for ft lbs per oz/inch. No arguing that. The only reason electric tools are as desirable as they are is they are more convenient.
Can you do normal drills, see what non impact make for torqU's