$2,610 in High Torque Impacts: Matco, Mac & Snap-On
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- Опубліковано 18 лис 2021
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Check out our T-shirt Shop: bit.ly/3z98ryF And Amazon store! amzn.to/3rjhZ6P Today we climb up to the top of the 1/2" mountain and plant a flag in the name of a deserving winner. The Snap-On CT9080 takes on the Matco MCL2012BIW High Torque. With a 1600 ft-lb rating, it's the most power cordless 1/2" impact wrench on the planet on paper, but it hits the dyno today to figure out if the beans back it up. The MCL2012 and CT9080 are about as powerful as it gets, but their price will indicate it too. It's up to you guys to do your own math and figure out what's worth it in the end.
Torque of TTC is working for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches (air). TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool! - Авто та транспорт
After editing this one we ourselves grew skeptical of this performance, so we just threw our original IR 231H on the dyno and it made 448 then this Matco and it made 891 right out of the case. So either we, and @for the love of tools who looked to be using a 3/4 charged battery, are just super lucky with our examples, or we are finally at that point where the torque we're at now is literally double that old school air IR. I know brands including IR have been ADVERTISING making impacts more than double that power for about 20 years, but it's definitely not something we've seen often on the channel. Though we're always looking for more beans, make suggestions below!
Torque of TTC is working for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches (air). TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
3/4 airguns please!
"that nuclear silo with a handle attached..."
😆 That is awesome!
My biggest take away is if you're already on a battery platform with a high torque 1/2 impact, just stay with what you got. Of course the build quality is there but thats no reason to get molested by your tool truck rep
I keep my milwuakee 1/2 in my car, and my IR 2235tiMax for the shop on 140 PSI of air with high flow fittings
It’s not so bad. After a while you get used to it not the smell. No that stay with u even in your dreams. I don’t even have tools
@@kenimee that’s a great gun I own the same one there hasn’t been a bolt I couldn’t get loose but I’m only in automotive not heavy duty
Is it just me or is the Snap On looks more like a hi-point the more I look at it???
Lmao I knew I’d seen it somewhere else
Winning! lmao
Probably similar indestructability. Who's putting "Yeet Cannon" on theirs?
Ok someone needs to throw on a holosun.
Right, that's what it reminded me of.
The dyno has spoken, the flames have been fanned even harder. Let the debate rage on while the Matco gun reigns supreme! (In my humble opinion)
Great test guys, thanks to all the people who made this happen. You're all doing some amazing work for us lowly mechanics. God Bless everyone!
Tools, guns, cars, women and beer 🍺 👍👍
I read somewhere railway mechanics (they are the roughest in the world on tools imo) they said snap on they get 1 month. The warranty doesn't help them when in a hurry. They say 1 year matco. But I would've thought mac would hold up longer.
I had this impact working in North Dakota in the oil and gas industry over a period of 2 years. Can’t say enough about the power but the battery longevity and it’s intolerance to brake clean, grease, or even using it in a light rain made me give it up.
Awesome dyno numbers, but it’s reliability issues left me hard up more than once. The batteries died fast in the cold and had so short of a lifespan it was insane. When I was buying them were $250 for a single 5 amp hour.
Not going to fan boy for any brand on here but I can’t say with my experience I would recommend this impact to any field technicians.
Thanks for the insight, very helpful to provide here where we focus on power. We also noticed the battery drains quickly compared to others
@@TorqueTestChannel The accurate data and a no-pixie bean torque figure is what we keep coming back every Friday for. My experience may not be the same as everyone else’s and it is only one man’s experience with a rattle gun. Thank you for what you do.
@@TorqueTestChannel Might be good to have a normalized battery consumption metric.... It would be useful, esp. for people working in the field.
What impact?
@@billgotskillb4308 think he’s talking about the matco
I love how the Honda Crank Bolt is the standard. lol
I love all the competition between all these companies, it makes for better tools, thanks for showing us.
Eagerly awaiting Milwaukee's next high torque 1/2 impact
@@djsi38t possibly more beans if it was designed better. Hopeful better vibration feedback. I think it will since the rigid version already does better.
Stay mad hahaha jkjk I got Milwaukee m18 and Matcos new 1/2 they both work amazing and I hardly doubt u will run into something torqued to 800ft lb so just go with what u personally like
No matter what brand you have or like you have to realize competition is good for all of us consumers
Matco’s new advertising slogan for that gun: “More than 1 bean per dollar!”
Snap ons response: “more than 1 dollar per bean… wait a minute”
avoid the tool trucks as they already have your family as hostage when you buy their tools.... LOL
If I bought tools of the truck they would have no leverage with me if that was what they use
When you get the snap on Impact for about $250 less because a co worker decides to trade in his red one for a dark grey one. He cares about looks and I care about the deal.
The 1/2" Olympics now begins!
The 3/4" Makita XGT seems to make more sense than any 1/2" hi-torque. It's slightly shorter, costs a bit less and since you only need a hi-torque for bigger nuts/ bolts the range of available socket sizes shouldn't be an issue for anyone. I have to admit that I'm biased because I bought the XGT after watching your video, but as of yet, I have no regrets.
It's probably more of an issue of already having 1/2 sockets
Depends on purpose of use. On heavy equipment I'd 90% agree with this. However, 3/4" sockets are generally more expensive and heavier. For automotive/construction use though, a 1/2" will be better hence why they are much more popular.
@@Tojen-pt8um depends on the type of construction. 1/2" drives are pretty rare with what I do at least.
Absolutely agree, as long as you're not settled into a 3/4 socket size it just makes more sense for these power levels to get the makita. Being more compact, more powerful and with a more widely usable battery platform, gotta love it!
The wall thickness could make a difference for automotive work too
The 1/2 High Torque videos was a great series, I am excited about what's being tested next. I was sad there wasn't a teaser at the end lol
Wow $$! Pro's who make their living with these tools appreciate this showdown!
Just got the Thor after waiting almost 4 months for it to arrive. I bought the Snap on MG725 in the meanwhile. The Thor kills it in brute strength, weight balance and the sound of hearing damage. The Snap on, I find, is more refined with better trigger control, its anvil stop and slightly slimmer body (Situational). With that situation, the Thor still removed dirty salter truck wheel nuts with a three inch extension when the MG725 couldn't... Feels.
I love that Snap-On was quickly dethroned. The tool truck guys are too arrogant about their cordless products.
Matco is tool truck?..
@@Natedawolfman Right!?! I don't get the comment either. Maybe he meant the Snap-on guys are the most arrogant of the tool truck guys??? 🤣
@@Natedawolfman Yes? This is the tool truck series, remember? I see matco and Cornwell trucks every day.
@@RoastedHVAC yeah he didn't phrase it too well at all lol. Stating that "tool truck guys are too arrogant".... matco is tool truck.. snap on is tool truck.. mac is tool truck..
@@Natedawolfman Definitely meant Snap-On was the most arrogant. My bad
Been waiting for this out of curiosity. I own the matco and while expensive, it does hit very hard and haven't found anything it wont break loose.
Only 1 rusted Subaru axle nut in over 3 years that mine wouldn't take out
With its low “wrist breaking” rating and top torque results, that Matco might be the best battery powered 1/2” high torque impact wrench on the market.
I have one. It's definitely a monster.
The batteries are terrible on them. Had the 3/8s 20v and nothing but battery problems
I have one. Thing is a monster. The batteries are not terrible on them and someone tried to say.
I still think the 3/4" Makita is the better buy being shorter, more powerful, cheaper and having the more useful battery platform, but this is a more well rounded tool than the Snap On and slightly cheaper. Good showing without a doubt.
Well put
For guys that already own 3/4” sockets sure. But if you have to buy new sockets it’s no longer cheaper. I’ll keep my m18
@@midget_cannon8517 3/4 to 1/2 adapter
@@midget_cannon8517 3/4 to 1/2 reducer?
I love the comment about the Honda crank bolt that’s the only reason I bought the snappy impact I have a Milwaukee already and I hated the old snappy impact. I was very very skeptical of the new ones he came in the dealer when I was at Honda and I broke loose 7-8 Honda crank bolts in the shop and I was a believer after that
As a tech in a shop all I care about is power for the price. I got access to high flow air lines so the electric options are only a luxury. When we have issues with overtight lugs and bolts we grab the shop ingersoll rand 3/4 air pistol and it always gets the job done. If I was a road tech again I'd consider the matco but honestly would get the makita 3/4. Why would anyone get a big ass 1/2 impact when 3/4 option can outperform in all categories? You only need that kind of power for special jobs. This channel is a God sent. Saved me buckets of wasted tool purchases with just impact information.
Legit just bought this matco and saw this video after so this makes me happy lol
I have the Matco. After my tool rep let me use it for a day and I was able to compare it to my Milwaukee high torque I had to buy it. It's crazy powerful.
@@djsi38t Milwaukee was also using a battery twice the size so there's that
Im loyal Milwaukee i have many cordless tools and all Milwaukee and there is a Milwaukee sevice center near my house and i have taken 5 tools to be fixed. 3 we're fixed and 2 they gave me brand new replacements and even walked out with a couple extra free batteries and never charged me a dime or asked for proof of purchase.
I bought both the Matco, and Snap-On high torque last gen tools when the new gen brushless came out(I paid less than half of the new price for lightly used tools) and from my experience the last gen Matco is noticeably stronger than the Snap-On, but the Snap-On is in much better shape after the same amount of time in the shop. I now use the Snap-On as my main bolt turner, and have an Astro 1894 for when I really need something loose. The Matco stays at home for weekend projects.
Heavy equipment mechanic here and yeah, I have the first gen of brushless 1/2 inch snap on. I've been beating on it for few years now, 100 degrees in the summer and 10 below in the winter. It's still chugging along, coworkers have went through yellow and red brands and talked crap how I overpaid and I didn't say anything when they had to buy a second or third time. Brake clean, ATF, hydraulic oil, grease and everything else we work in destroys the plastics on the construction trade tools.
And let's face it, when things get serious were going back to air or the blue tip wrench!
Someday I aspire to have “The Matco stays at home for weekend projects” money 😂👌 till then it’s ryobi and Earthquake XT 😮💨
Tbh I'm a Milwaukee fan boy, I like their performance, the feel, and the pile of batteries I have work with all of my tools. If I had piles of money I would pick and choose between brands. But since I don't I'm going with good performance and a wide variety of tools
I've had the Matco gun for about 3-4 years now, it's a beast for sure. I have used it almost exclusively over my air impacts because I wanted to see how it held up. One bad battery that Matco warranted for me, only thing wrong with it is the LEDs stopped working recently
Don't blame the tool for the led lights failing. It's very difficult to make a solder connection that will hold up to that much vibration. 3-4 years is very good
Love my Matco 1/2 inch!
Still love my ½" impact from Snap On. Never had a problem with it, gets the job done, and I like the look of it.
“Welcome back to the tortas channel”
It took my kobalt xtr around 6 seconds to remove a semi lugnut. I have the video to prove it. I own both the kobalt xtr high torque and the 2767 milwaukee and absolutely love them both. I haven't gotten the chance to try the milwaukee on the big rig lug nut but when I do I will record it as well.
Yall are doin the lords work
Oh buddy, been waiting for this one
I’ve been saying for a couple years that matco had the best 1/2” impact. Idk if it was true 2 years ago, but it is now! Regardless, I got mine for half off at a matco tent sale and loved it ever since.
It's what I run, and it is indeed the best.
I run the exact same green 1/2 Matco as in the video, and I got the kit so I also got the 3/8 - 20 volt 5.0ah and it's a little beast too. I gotta mess with my 2 buddies who swear by the M8 Milwaukee in this video..
Can't get this gun in Australia, but I have a 3/4 gun and a workshop of tools in order to undo a bigger tighter bolt. I don't take 15S to undo a truck wheel nut either with my 1/2, but once again, my 3/4 Milwaukee gun is right there to do the job.
When I bought the Milwaukee I was almost immediately suffering buyer's remorse. It is so heavy and it vibrates so badly I could hardly hang onto it and I crunched the first battery. However, I gave it time and the convenience has its place. I use 9.0 batteries and and was able to remove and install to spec 90 class 8 truck lug nuts. So while the tool is chore to use, it does the job, anywhere.
I used to regret buying my matco 1/2 but good lord I'm happy I have it. I new it was strong because Iv used it to take off big rig tire lugnuts but man didn't know it was this strong
I wish we had a matco truck that would come to our shop. We just have snap on. I have never bought snap on crap. Snap on does make the best hand tools period. I do give credit where it is do
I have to say I’m relieved that the matco gun was able to knock off the snap on gun. My rep was becoming intolerable. I’ve owned the gen 1 and 2 Milwaukee guns and they made a huge improvement between those. Hopefully they have a gen 3 in the works that can hang with these big boys.
Thank you for the great video
Sticking with the theme of tool truck impacts, I'd like to see you test the Matco MCL2038HIW 3/8'" mid-torque
Thanks, As if I needed even MORE reason to consider upgrading my impact gun to a newer one..... then THIS comes along..... I still want to know where the manufacturers came up with their monsterous claims regarding overall torque. Although, I won't pretend even that the numbers are less than impressive.
Tool trucks typically have increased prices due to their payment methods (Pay Over Time). Most tool trucks either do a 8 week or 10 week turn on your balance. What doesn't make sense to me is the fact that they don't give you a discount when you pay for something completely up front. I know from personal experience that you can sometimes haggle with the tool guy and get him to drop his price just by paying in full, which means he won't have to wait 8-10 weeks to get his investment back out of that tool.
They make more money on lending than on the tools. Same deal with new cars, dealers make more money on loans than the car itself, so cash negotiations often result in a higher price unlike the old days.... Plus, loans are pure margin, there is zero effort/work involved.
Most my tool guys cut you a break over list price and truck payments never have interest with it.
I think weekly payments keep em coming
I've been really satisfied with almost all of my Taiwan tools I've been buying recently
Nice set up and presentation.
One thing I missed was the application of grease on the main screw, prior to test start and each test.
It's a bit boring to include for every video, but we do re-apply grease before each one. We've gone through a case of grease tubs already
Since March '21, DeWalt is still under development of TWO new 1/2" high torques under project the project names "Bruiser 2" (DCF900) and "Ludacris" (DCF961), both claiming to have 1400lbft and 1600lbft of breakaway torque. I'm sure a Mac version of the bruiser 2 or the Ludacris is not far behind.
Source: SBD.
MATCO 1/2 and their compact 1/4 and 3/8 (worth the money). Snapon has the BEST impact sockets.
I want to see all these impacts tested using a 2-6" inch extension on it. Because i feel like rpm and impact hammer size would make a bigger difference. And as a mechanic im almost always using some sort of extension
I think the reason techs feel like the Milwaukee and other (more expensive) guns feel the same power-wise is because we expect a gun to loosen a bolt within a couple of seconds not 15. Looking at your tests, most power differences on the better guns are felt after about 5 or 6 seconds. If a gun would take that long to loosen a bolt I would just get something faster like a big breaker bar.
We're starting from 0 ft-lbs of torque in tests. Your bolt probably isn't. Pick a torque level on the graphs and the tool placed higher will take that torque level off faster.
I have both snap on and matco both are great impacts I grab the matco over the snap on feel better in the hand
Another great video👍
Great video 👍
MAC is about to come embarrass the other truck boys with the MCF900/961 😂
I have the Matco and I love it, but it has broken down on me twice in the year that I've had it.
I love these comparisons I wish you guys would do a impact driver comparison sum time.
We've done around 5 so far
Honda crank bolt got me 😂😂😂
Heh, love the Honda crank bolt reference
Still rockin my OG first gen Milwaukee m18 fuel 1/2” impact. I abuse it everyday as I am a mechanic and it never gave me trouble. Still rockin the original batteries from 5 years ago no issues. I would say to get quality sockets though, it does make a difference. Took out every Honda crank bolt it ever seen for 5+ years no trouble.
All, I know is, know the old snap on in our diesel shop are great. Milwaukee is great to. But man that little compact snap on, will break a semi , down in no time. I hate to compare anything cause they all do they jobs well
I would like to see a test on Lug Nut Remover Wrench Torque Multiplier to see how much beans can be produced by a hand crank tool.
I have a Maco and my co worker has a snap on and they both preform well both good tools I prefer maco to me it feels better then the snap on
I was hoping the Snap On would meet the 1440 claimed, or get closer at least. Especially at $540 tool only. Still, it did better than I thought it might so I guess that's a win?.
I would love to see Fein on your channel. Especially the ASCD 18-300 W2.
I like the add in videos to show real world tests. I would be curious to hear y'alls input on them doing something like the honda crank bolt with the makita 3/4 and then the new matco vs the m18.
Problem is (wtih any bolt and nut I guess) once that honda crank bolt is off, no way to replicate it exactly. Have seen honda crank bolts come out with a DeWalt DCF899 and others that needed heat, a weighted socket and impacts like these to remove.
@@TorqueTestChannel for sure, a very subjective opinion, but after using them for a week or so, I think you'd have a good opinion on real work performance.
There has never been a bolt my milwaukee had any trouble with honestly. But i only work on passenger cars and trucks. For 1 snap on i can have the 1in milwaukee big boy plus the high torque because i already have all the batteries
I can attest... MatCo is the way to go if you have the money.... It's hard to deny Milwaukee's 5 year warranty it's one of the best warranties out.... but MatCo and snap on trucks offer discounted repairs after warranty and depending on your tool vendor ... mine adds a year on all his MatCo air and electric tools if you have a long standing account or if you bought a box off them since they make their bread and butter that way. I've never had an issue with any MatCo pneumatics with many outperforming snap on and everyone else especially their new stubby impacts, their cobalt hyper step drill bits and 20v drills. Their standout performers imo.
Snap on excels in hand tools and their hard to beat cordless extended ratchet
Matco makes the best gun every time
I love my CT9080
I'm now curious at to what Milwaukee will do, now the competition has clearly overtaken them.
Took a fair few years to do it, so hopefully the next gun will be a beast.
Only trouble is, they might see it affecting their bigger guns.
Honestly. If I were to buy one of the big three I'd go matco. But I like my 400 dollar kit m18 hightorque. Almost the same power with about 1/2 the price
Milwaukee 2767 sucks cause the battery problems over long use in a busy suspension shop. You constantly have to hold the battery to keep it connected power wise. CT9080 has a much battery design.
Just bought the matco with the 3/8 600ft/lbs kit…. Waiting for it to compare it in person
Considering I paid $460 for my ingersoll rand w7152 kit I wouldn't mind paying the extra $ for matco with its nice features lights & less weight but for now my ingersoll rand w7152 is still doing amazing
That IR weighs less and is shorter, def shouldn't be disappointed with that one
Oh yeah it's nice I use it at work as industrial mechanic on marine equipment like winches tug boats & crane barges
A BRAND NEW MILWAUKEE 1/2 WITH A 12 AMP BATTERY,,,,,, IS STILL THE NUMBER ONE BANG FOR THE BUCK GUN OUT THERE AND YES TTC RULES FOR BRINGING US THIS GALACTIC COMPARISON... THANKS BIG TIME TO TTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know this is a torque testing channel but it would be interesting to see these things taken apart to compare parts.
Shop tool reviews does that
Awesome sauce
very interesting considering i just grabbed one of those matco impacts for $300 with a battery and charger. i was wondering how it did in comparison to other brands.
“Nuclear silo with a handle” 😂😂😂👌🏻
Do a video testing the Matco 3/4 vs Milwaukee 3/4 impact
Milwaukee - very good & 100% Hong Kong company.
I’m Starting to like China stuff more
Hopefully my Matco guy doesn't see this so I can get a better trade in on my Mac 1/2" high torque. I can take most 33mm lugnuts off with it, but if they're really stuck on, I need to get the 1" gun brought out to me(company only has 1 IR 1" gun per shop). That Matco could definitely save me some trouble!
Just bought a 9080XCE 100th Anniversary Edition because of this video
Had the cash to make it splash 😂
I been looking at matcotools and mactools for awhile not sure which to go with....I work as a lubetech but also do mechanic jobs on the side as well
I'm glad my money was well spent. That matco gun is what "fuck that bolt" looks like.
I feel like the more “stuck bolt” tech we
Get, the more stuck bolts get
I actually got me what looks like a gently use matco high torque with 5ah battery and charger with case for 275 after taxes at a pawn shop so lil more happy about the investment, only thing I see that is imperfect when I got it is minor wear on grip and a few battery dings
Can you do some old school 1 inch IR air impacts versus like the new 1 inch Milwaukee cordless
Also that snap on half inch looks the same size as my corded dewalt 😂
It would be interesting to know what the maximum torque of a 1/2" drive is.
At some point the square drive will snap or something. Probably have to put an adapter on to a 1" gun?
800 ft-lbs would be well into anvil shearing territory, especially if abused for long periods of time, or with worn sockets (rounded squares)
@@jonk3470 that's what I was wondering.
I've got the Milwaukee 1/2" high torque and on the first use of undoing some rather stuck M30 bolts it's done noticeable damage to the square in the socket!
My takeaway if you're going to buy something is the Thor if you have air or the Milwaukee if you have batteries. Thanks 👍🏽
Can’t really go wrong with the rigid either… or the Makita XGT lineup, I’d buy blue because of the 40/80v thing Makita does means no mx fuel batteries for kick ass 72 volt tools but the Rigid makes a strong argument for how powerful it really is at half the cost
The Matco looks a lot like the Ingersoll Rand W7252-K22 1/2" Cordless Impact
That one is much shorter and nicer still to hold
My fav impact I have ran one over with a diesel pusher still works
I had all three electric impact guns. It's not just about the torque they give.
I used both versions of milwaukee, the newest and one older one. Both jump around on bolts that it can't get out and just hammering and nothing.
I bought a new Marco impact, and I was very disappointed at its performance. It's bulky, heavy, and jumping around on stuck bolts more than milwaukee.
I then bought the new snap-on impact, and it blows both other impacts away. The hammer is faster and consistent without jumping around, and it will make a bolt turn eventually, not like other ones.
The snap-on does come with a new battery, just a bit different and seems to have more power output.
The snap-on did their research and development very good. I have a small impact 14 volt and it blows many smaller other brands out of water.
I like milwaukee for many tool options, matco isn't that great yet.
I have tested all three guns for a few weeks in real world and snap-on came out the strongest and can get into more places with its slim body.
Snap-on brushless ratchet works very well.
The dyno can be great, real world application does a better outcome of testing.
I still love my Milwaukee
“….every inch helps…” Amen
how about testing these expensive impacts against a 1/2" breaker bar with a 4' pipe extension
In my opinion price or power fresh out the box mean nothing if the tool’s power decreases with age and use, my previous model Snap on impact gun still has the power or close to the power it had at new.
One thing to keep in mind is that the Matco is about the same price if not slightly more than the Snap-on as the kit only comes with one battery vs two in the Snap-on kit. This is assuming that you want two batteries, despite the difference in value I'd pick the Matco purely for the ergonomics.
Yeah. That's a good point
@@TorqueTestChannel I checked the Matco site and the tool kit with an extra battery is $997.85 (pre tax) in case that helps anyone comparing the tools.
My dealer threw an extra battery in for me at no charge so talk to your dealer.
Unreal wow