Authorities are still negligent in far too many cases. Goodness only knows how much abuse went unnoticed back in those days. Shockingly awful case. Cant imagine how mentally destroyed those children are
This was a creepy one for me to hear. My name is Susan and my mother was born same year and also borderline and narcissistic. My mom was jealous, rage full, vindictive, and violent. She assaulted me violently many times as a child and really wanted to murder me but didn't want to go to jail. I ran away at 14 but cops didn't believe me and would send me back there. I would run away right after they returned me and I finally went into hiding. My sisters always went along with mothers lies and covered for her. By age of 16 I no longer had to hide and could get a job and apartment and start a life. I'm still healing from all that trauma but I have a successful life, well educated, especially on topic of personality disorder, I have a farm, log home in country and I'm a loving mother. I live with anxiety disorder and PTSD but that's it. I think it was my friends that saved me from suicide or destruction. I always had good friends trying to help me. My school and local police failed to help me. It was other children that saved me. And they also saved me from becoming an antisocial myself. I have empathy and love in my heart and will help anyone that needs it.
My mom is just as crazy. The monster always comes out every 10 years and this last one she smashed my head with the tv remote and put a knife to my neck for no reason. So that traumatized me so bad that I hated all humans. I couldn't stand the sound of music or any kind of sound. I couldn't take the bus cause I felt scared of people. I had thoughts of self harm and harming others when I should be harming her. It lasted 3 weeks and one day I woke up and was normal. This happened on March 9th 2022. I still see that knife and it doesn't give me PTSD. Broken woman that have yet learned to love themselves are pumping out 2 to 6 kid.
Bottom line is: take young people seriously when they tell you they're being abused. Those social workers failed the kids as it so often seems to be the case.
Back then LE, CPS and Docs invariably believed the Parents unless the situation was so obvious that it couldn't be ignored. Even then, the Parent would have had to been practically caught red - handed. All the Parent would have had to do is appear normal long enough to give a plausible story to Authorities. Kids weren't believed back then.
@Kimberley Van Leeuwen there has to be some kind of dysfunction going on for kids to falsely accuse parents of abuse. That's not normal. Better to take the children seriously and thoroughly investigate and find no abuse than to ignore a child and allow them to be abused further
@@rosenbaum75 It's not unusual for kids to lie! The Doc here should be able to verify that. Who knows, they see things, they might be trying to get attention, whatever. Not all kids are saints!
Yes, CPS or social workers are terrible at protecting kids, they're almost as bad as the mental health profession which are all led by their noses by the DSM which was written by a group in the pay of Big Pharma, to prescribe their chemicals to people who don't need them! It's ridiculous how a system put together with no scientific evidence, can ruin the lives of so many people. CPS is equally bad at doing what it's supposed to and many times worsens situations instead of helping.
Your life is much better than most, even if your material circumstances ever go bad, that's for sure. Did you reply to yourself for some reason? This comment section is total garbage after 2011.
@@melfreemansSame! Especially as I've gotten to know my parents as people and learned how many of the memories of daily life I treasure and draw on for "advice" were conscious choices on their part, and often difficult ones. How do you work out together how to show four children love and support while also holding them accountable, and then allow them the freedom to make their own mistakes while ensuring there's a safe place of they fall? I don't know how but they did it, and while I'm grateful it also makes me quite sad to know this experience is not what the majority of people have experienced. ✌️🍍
What really wonders me is what a horrible woman she was, yet she had men lining up for marrying her. A new husband every year. Just proves how unbalanced the dating marketplace is
@@Schiffon you have to imagine it because it was never mentioned. It wasn't mentioned probably because nothing happened. Is that so difficult to imagine?
When they interviewed the children with the mom in the room and returned Susan, that was blatant failure! They have a huge responsibility on what happened subsequently.
Killing someone by starvation and dehydration is particularly nasty. This woman should have been on a watch list after the first suspected murder. A general rule is the more spouses and children the more probability of mental 'illness'. This woman lacked the ability to self regulate. When children tried to raise more red flags than a Chinese army parade they were dismissed by the Police. If you want crime to go down, start looking at the abusive parents who want their model 94 back after shooting someone.
I've heard of this story a lot and thought about my own mother funny thing is we lived in Orangevale too in the early seventies first Roseville then Orangeville my mother definitely had borderline personality. I'm 65 now and I still suffer from the lifelong effects of her and my brothers and sisters are still in denial things turned out better for them the extended family is incomplete denial and many people that came in contact with my mother actually think that she was some kind of nice person makes me want to gag I was the eldest daughter so I was her scrapbook from the time I was a little girl from the time I can remember like three four definitely three she did similar horrific things she was absolutely textbook I didn't learn about borderline until strangely enough she got an apple iPad and I got on the iPad and was looking at mental disorders I did not know how to use a computer I still don't know how to use a computer but I put in some words like mother who abuses eldest daughter and borderline popped up I kept reading and there it was my whole life story. Just one little antidote there are so many that I couldn't even begin to tell you all of them but the last year we lived in Roseville when I was 15 which was 1972 and 73 she decided to attack me with a large butcher knife I was exactly the same size that she was and so I held her off in hand to hand combat she was very serious about stabbing me with it my younger brother only 2 years younger than me who was about 14 at the time just sat in his rocking chair and watched. The hand to hand went on tremendous struggle with me holding her wrist with the knife in it at Bay at one point I yelled to my brother to come get the knife away from her when I was holding her wrist he finally jumped up and took the knife away from her while she screamed at him not to that he would get the same if he did I was yelling to him hide it hide it and he was afraid to hide it what a chicken s*** at some point I broke away after he took the knife from her but he didn't hide it because he was scared I ran to my bedroom and shut the door and shoved my shoe underneath the door wedged it underneath so that she couldn't open the door it was a boat shoe tennis shoe I held the door knob as tight as I could there was no lock on the door so that she could not enter I used all my strength to keep her out she began to violently stab the shoe she got down in a crouching position and I could hear her stabbing the shoe like a maniac she thought my foot was inside the shoe my father came home from a trip about an hour later or so and she told him I might need to go to the hospital and he came to the door and asked me if I was okay I said yes I was okay I had been calling the local hotline almost every day that year and the year before that telling them everyday word for word verbatim what she was doing I think I had somebody call child welfare and they came out and they did absolutely nothing my mother had thrown everything out into the garage my belongings she cleared out my bedroom and threw my belongings out into the garage I moved them out too was told to child welfare said that all she had to do was let me sleep in the house on the couch that's Orangevale and that was by then 1973 the spring of 1973 just thought I'd like to say. I think they might have asked my brothers and sisters what happened but I wasn't around so I guess my brothers and sisters lied and just blew it off like same thing did exactly the same thing I have since read that this is typical of the other children in a borderline scrape goat situation. I almost found happiness with a young man who was becoming a psychologist he believed my stories but he was kind of selfish and conceited himself and just wanted to go on with his education he asked me to marry him twice but wouldn't get me out of the house became a psychologist but after a few years of working for the criminal justice system in Texas the Federal Criminal Justice in a in a jail he ghosted me basically after 25 years of friendship can't believe it a very sad life.
It is sad that no other adult realised what was going on. Not a teacher, social worker or any of the people the children told. It’s incredible that the children were interviewed in the mother’s presence.
For many years I had this “naive” belief that, regardless of someone’s bad behavior, every human being have a shred of humanity within them. Unfortunately, I don’t feel this way anymore. In my opinion, some people are simply irredeemable. I think this woman is a monster who should never had children. I can’t see a sliver of humanity in someone like this. It’s just heartbreaking to hear what happened to those kids. What a horrific case. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this case, Dr. Grande.❤️
I still believe in humanity. I think Theresa could have been saved and thus so could her daughters. It all comes down to prevention. Thats how we break the cycle of abuse.
Same experience. I realize now that there are many altruistic, kind hearted people, and an equal number of humans who are devoid of compassion, a conscience, have an overall disdain for humanity (and often hate all living creatures), and are driven to satisfy only their desires and needs. Those same degenerate humans are narcissists, and tend to maximize their negative impact on the world and simultaneously satisfying their desire to inflict pain , by using tactics that serve to disrupt and destroy the lives of their targets. They usually pathological liars, scheme to inflict emotional trauma, damage their lives, jeopardize their employment, jeopardize or destroy their personal relationships, destroy reputations by spreading rumours smear campaign, about them in their communities, etc.
I saw an interview with Terry the youngest of the children. Her opinion of her mother was her mother went after her two older daughters because they were growing up and were becoming attractive. Terry thought her mother was jealous of her two older daughters. Also from what I’ve heard about this case the two remaining sons weren’t subjected to as much of abuse as the daughters were.
I've noticed some mothers in general being incredibly jealous of their daughters when growing up. Dated a few girls where theyve told me how their mom would tease them about the way they looked up or just demean them in general
I can totally see this being the case... My own 'mother' used to be vicious towards me then my little sister when I had abandoned home. I had another sister but that one was morbidly obese and looked nothing like us. Till this day, if you tell that woman she treated us badly, she will deny it and call us 'ungrateful liars', even when my own cousins and my grandmother use to say they couldn't understand the difference in treatment.🤷♀
@@luluszahir- I'm sorry you and your sisters endured that awful treatment. It's possible that your sister who became obese might've taken solace in food, and developed an eating disordered as a coping device (self-soothing) when your mother lashed out at you and your little sister. All of you grew up and witnessed abuse at home. Each one of you would react differently - and similarly, in some aspects.
I feel like back in the day it was impossible to keep track of people. That’s why criminals or shady people would pick up and leave town, because unless there’s a detective assigned to follow them all over the country, they just disappear and reappear in a new town and start the cycle all over.
I will never ever put a man in front of my kids. Even if i have to die alone and bitter. My kids will always know that if not with anyone else with me they are the prize and the most important. But when i think about it I’m only that way because of trauma from my mom and wanting to do the opposite.
It's hard to believe but it happens. My mother let my brother and sister and I receive a lot of abuse, physical and sexual, because my stepdad was more important. He abused her too but she wouldn't leave him until he cheated on her. They had been childhood sweethearts and had some sort of intense sexual attraction from my observation but it was clearly a warped relationship. One time when I didn't clear the table on time my stepdad yanked me up from the sofa by my hair and shoved me across the dining room table dishes and all. Then he grabbed me by the throat and punched me in the face. I was a 13 year old girl. When I yelled at my mother saying he was going to kill me, she yelled and cussed at me and said if I had cleared the table on time this wouldn't have happened. In the time of my greatest fear she blamed me and abandoned me emotionally. After the adultery she divorced my stepdad. Many years later when I was in college we had some sort of heated discussion and she said if it wasn't for us kids she'd still be married. Wow. She would rather be married to an abusive adulterer. What a low blow. She had many untreated psychological problems. I now have a diagnosis of BPD, depression, and anxiety. She probably had BPD herself and unfortunately passed it down to me. But God has been faithful and provided two amazing Christian therapists since 1987. I had seen one other therapist when I was young and got kicked out of the house. I'm now 66 and still dealing with my personality disorder and the other psychological problems. But God has brought much healing into my life. My current therapist said we are going to meet as long as we can which is a great comfort. It will probably be his retirement as he's 70 but I try not to focus on that! So, yes, unfortunately some women are more interested in a lover than protecting their children. But I do have to admit this case that Dr. Grande analyzed is the most horrific I have ever heard 😭
It happens more often than anyone knows. I know because I have been there. My mom always had low self estimate and a terrible sense of self worth. She had a bad habit of either marrying or just moving in, sorry and abusive bums in the house
@@tiffanyeyoung1800 Reminds me of the movie, Precious. I know women who refused relationships for the sake of their children, and others at their expense.
As someone who grew up in a violent home, stories like these are so upsetting! So many abused children turned up beaten and worse! Worse, this horrible society teaches children to tell the authorities if someone harms them in any way, but when they do, they're not believed. Her younger children were terrified of her! Poor Susan didn't stand a chance nor young Sheila. The boys didn't either. She taught them to be as bad, or worse, than her. This sad case shows that domestic violence and the mental and emotional effects of it, are not taken seriously in America. Terry did her best to stand up for her siblings but to no avail.
Unfortunately there are so many abused children failed miserably by the system. I am a daughter to a narcissistic mother, and made many cries for help when I was younger. They typically side with the abusive parents and rule the child as rebellious.
"...A cartridge that is often used for hunting deer, but she had a slightly more husband-like target in mind." Ok, I ended up LAUGHING OUT LOUD at that one!
This is one of the most disturbing stories I have ever hear, by isolating the children she gained complete control over them. The children walked on egg shells every day of their life as not to provoke their mother’s wrath, but they experienced it anyway. It’s astonishing that she got away with the cruelty for so many years, and WHY not one of the men she married never cared enough to see what those poor children were going through and report her to authorities. The children were failed all the way around by everyone they reached out to for help. It makes you wonder how many more cases such as this may be going on today, yet no one will listen or help, this breaks my heart ❤️
@@katangapr Good Grief, no I not only blamed the men, as I said everyone they told let them down. Read someone’s comment before you start critical responses. The men lived in that house, they had to see something. Social workers and police didn’t believe the accusations, they failed to investigate. So no I didn’t just blame the men.
@@doyeworrell1680 Some abusers are good at putting up an act in public. I also wonder if her bfs had much contact with the children. Given her behavior, it wouldn't be surprising if she kept them apart.
What an absolute monster of a human being, but it would have helped me understand this whole tragic story a lot better had I known how old these children were during the ordeal. Like when the daughter Susan was hand-cuffed how old was she, and also when her sons helped kill Susan how old were they and Susan? Maybe I missed the date of birth of these children but it could have been pointed out during the run-down of this unbelievably sad story.
All were in their late teens... Sheila born in 65. Suesan born in 66. William in 67 and Robert in 68. Terri was the youngest - born in 1970. Suesan was killed in 1984 and Sheila in 1985.
The wiki lists the birth (and death) dates of her children. Shiela was ~20 when she died and Suesan was ~18, though it’s safe to assume the abuse had been going on their whole lives. I can’t see any other reason the boys would go along with her unless they had been raised horribly and abused by her the whole time.
@@LittleBlueOwl318 Thanks a lot. It's unbelievable how they could be so brainwashed at that age, to go along with these atrocities. Never underestimate the power of fear and bad psycho parenting, oh my.
I saw this on the ID channel. The son that shot his sister ( because his mother made him) was telling this story. It was quite shocking and traumatic to hear this story. How could a mother do this to her own children? These kids were trapped in their mother's sick world. The son who told the story spoke about the abuse their mother heaped on them and how no one helped them. He said he had to live with the guilt of knowing he was forced to shoot his sister and how it affected his life. I can't even imagine what they went through. It was hard to watch and realized this really happened to that family. So sad ... it's hard to wrap your head around! God bless those kids who are now grown and survived the horror of a parent who had severe mental problems! The show on ID channel is called, "Evil Lives Here."
@@andrewbochicchio2232 I am looking right now -- SOMEWHERE there is a lengthy interview with Terry before her own death in 2011 that I'm trying to find... not having much luck but will post it when I do. I think, if I remember right, it was on A&E or something... or maybe an episode of Cold Case Files or even a Dateline interview. I can't seem to find it.
god bless the kids that were unwillingly put in this position by god I guess? Odd choice of words..& one of the sons is back in jail for child pornography charges, situations like this aren't going to end well.
@@thinkingallowed7042 Fathers often forget about their children completely and just are gone with the wind. There are plenty of fathers like that. It is better than being in the hands of an abusive monster. But fathers can also be abusive monsters and some fathers rape their children so....
Pouring gasoline on someone and setting them on fire, let alone doing that to your own child, is profoundly disturbing. I remember seeing a scene in the movie "American Gangster" where the main character did that and it bothered me for a long time.
Going by Dr Grande's descriptions Theresa became some odd combination of her mother who was obese and her 1st husband who she claimed hit her. Although I think the only thing the first husband hit was her ego by trying to leave. And the other men in her life also left. And then she hit her children and then worse.
Her children’s lives, especially Susan’s were horrific. I guess for her daughters, you could say they are in a better place, may they Rest In Peace. I wonder what happened to the first son? Just curious… Alas, all these institutions like the police, children protection services, failed these children miserably. Very tragic and unfortunately, common in the US
Theresa was a monster plain and simple. What she experienced growing up can't explain her behaviour in fact I'm sick of hearing that these monsters were abused. Almost like it's an excuse. I thought I had a strong stomach but this one shook me.
I think it can explain it to an extent. It is to _what_ extent that is the question, in terms of making a moral judgement. The perpetrator still deserves to spend the rest of her life in jail; regardless of that moral judgement. Society has to be protected from her and she has to be made to suffer in order to atone.
Well, being abused (when young) is a MAJOR trend that you see with these monsters. I agree that it isn’t a good excuse to explain away their behavior, but the abuse is DEFINITELY worth paying attention to..
@@reesemorgan2259It does explain it, but not excuse it or justify it. But yes, some people that suffer abuse go on to abuse others. Also not all types of abuse are the same and it will affect people differently.
@@coryjohnson2486The best course of action nowadays I think would be to give more access to good quality mental health to children and adults that want that help and want to get better or have had traumatic experiences. Children especially I think have the potential to recover from abuse if given a chance. Not all of them maybe, but many.
Dr Grande, I just finished watching a video about Sylvia Likens, another horrible crime against a child by their parent. Back to back with this story, horrific! How parents can do horrible things to their children baffles and shocks me! It's just incredibly sad and disturbing. Thank you for this story. RIP to these victims
How do sick people like this hide in plain sight and get away with outright cruelty for so long? I’m just astounded . And how is it possible that she was in the slightest way attractive to multiple men?? All of this is so unbelievable.
A disturbing similarity to the Susan Smith Case from the 80's when a single mother basically prioritized her sex life over the well-being of her sons and got rid of the sons by drowning them in a lake with her car.
i do a lot of those i don't anwser my door unless I'm expecting u i trust no one i never leave my house I've gotten a bit fat but i am disabled i won't even anwser the door for a cop cuz i watch true crime and i know better now i can't have a dirt home or ever harm anyone
@@angiebervinkle9542 Susan Smith was probably "crazy," but I believe she thought her children were holding her back from a particular relationship with someone other than her husband.
As a borderline patient and proud mother this is so painful and hard to watch, I’m so grateful for my wonderful support team of drs counselors and family. More than anything I’m grateful for my daughter. I wish this woman could have found some help.
Borderline personality disorder alone is treatable. But throw antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders into the mix and you get an unredeemable monster.
Thank you for covering this case, I asked about it earlier. I had watched a documentary with one of her sons and to hear his account of events was heartbreaking.
Hello Dr. Grande, there's an horrible case that happened in Italy a few days ago. A mother left her 18mo daughter at home alone for a week, to visit her boyfriend- the little girl died of a slow and terrible death. A psychiatric evaluation has been requested for this woman by her lawyers. I would love to hear your opinion about it.
Was she diagnosed with BPD? If not, please don’t be throwing that diagnosis around like it’s a character flaw or something. It’s a psychiatric illness with a VERY specific set of symptoms on which you have to have a certain number or more - and only then can those symptoms be included ONLY if they interfere with the individuals life… I was diagnosed with BPD, and while, yes, I have worked for years in therapy and only recently had my diagnosis quashed- I still do and will always have borderline traits. It’s something I have to accept and something I will always have to work on. Comments like yours can be extremely stigmatising, and while I personally don’t much care what others think of me when they learn I have BPD: to have people say things like “some people aren’t meant to be parents” when I damn well KNOW what a good parent I am to my 8 year old daughter (well, the best parent I can be, as we ALL are trying to be), and how much love and support there is in my home and what an amazing little confident, hilarious person she has turned out to be. Yeah… that kind of shit I cannot accept. Sure I’m treated now but I still had my daughter when I was at my sickest and I STILL made sure that she was never around me when I had my downswings. Made sure that she was with my husband while I tried everything to cope with my awful intensive depressive thoughts and feelings. You damn well bet I protected her from all of that. I’m not the best mother in the world, and anyone who says they are should not be believed, but I god damn love my child and my family and comments like this now spurs other people on under the stigmatising banner of “BORDERLIENS ARE ALL EVIL ANd ABUSIVE”
Just another reason why we desperately need to keep abortion and birth control legal. Millions more unwanted children means even more abuse and mental illness. Mental illness is going to be the downfall of our country if we don't take drastic measures soon.
@@Aurora-Nyx anyway all borderlines are evil and abusive :/ you made that reputation yourselves and then get mad when your victims call you it. Anyway I hope all children get removed from abusive homes and get healthy, stable parents who can actually love them them.
@@Aurora-Nyx the whole fact of getting angry at someone for stating they were abused by a narcaline parent and accusing them of lying and spreading stigma is literal proof you will never be able to care about others because all you can think about is yourself and your image. I hope your children get taken away from you and if not realize they deserve better as adults. I wish no child had to suffer a parent that lacks the ability to care about them.
@@Aurora-Nyx Stop crying and trying to make yourself into the victim for someone else explaining the trauma they went thru. Your reply exposes perfectly why no one likes borderlines. Someone talks about horrible shit they went thru and you somehow someway find a way to not only invalidate their experience and shame them for it but also make it about you and make yourself the victim. Pathetic, but also typical. I don’t believe for a minute your a good mother. I’ve yet to meet a borderline who wasn’t extremely abusive in one way or another to all of her children that also refuses to admit it. It’s just how you people are.
Hello Dr. Grande, this reminded me (abstractly, at least) of Joseph Kallinger. If you haven’t analyzed him yet, it would be a great case to look at. Thanks for all the insight and entertainment. Be well.
Thank you for the excellent video! I read a book many years ago titled: "Whatever mother says" about this story. I appreciate you doing a video analysis of the case, Dr. Grande! Cheers!
While this is the extreme of an NPD mother, Having had one myself, this type of behavior is typical, isolation, forcing and demonstrating aberrant behavior which we do not understand as aberrant until the damage has been done, scapegoating and using golden children against scapegoats. No one, family, teachers or neighbors will intercede, ever,.Fact.
@@diannew6066just maybe 1 hour ago, I was thinking in my mind I don't want to have a child. And now seeing your message. Wow 😳 thank you for letting me know. Yes I don't want to regret as I am 33 years old now.
When I investigated child abuse, I met so many cases of children who side with their abusers. This case is especially horrendous. Do you have any insight into this issue? Keep up the good work. You are the best. Love your work. Take care.
Brownie Hendricks Unfortunately, it is extremely common and often doesn't change as adults; although, more and more people are becoming aware nowadays, due to the internet, which is a positive thing. It seems like it's understandably difficult for children to accept that the adults they look up to, who are supposed to love them, actually don't and trauma bonding occurs as well. It can turn family members against each other later in life, especially the ones who didn't get abused, or cousins etc, as they only saw the so-called nice side of the person. I seem to be the only one in my family who can acknowledge that our parents were extremely troubled and abusive. I understand why it's too much for others to face the reality though, due to the pain involved, especially when sexual abuse is part of the situation. 😥
Dr. Grande! thank you for covering this case! I heard about it a while ago and I am surprised not more youtubers have spoken about it! I am hoping this video will encourage more people to talk about it. Such a sad case :(
UA-cam doesnt like us talking about serious topics like ChilldAbbuse or Philicide. If it where for them we would produce and consume only entertainment.
Just when you think you have heard it all, up pops another story that exposes the deplorable, heartless and unfathomable actions of people and the soul crushing and heart-breaking devastation and unimaginable horror it brings, especially to children. My heart is shattered again and again.
"with the chance of parole"...seriously?! It's awful that each father saw how unstable she was yet up and left leaving the children to be abused. They are jointly responsible for this heinous situation as are the various services who dismissed the children's cries for help 😪
I have read many, many, true crime books…but the one of this case is one that sticks in my mind and will forever. This woman was horrific and what she did to her daughter (especially Susan), had her sons do, just everything about her, really made a lasting impression on me. Leaving such an impression is kind of hard to do considering I do read a lot of these stories. I’ll just never forget her crimes, ever.
This is exactly how my mother behaved my whole childhood until I ran away from home for good and never looked back! She held knife to our throats when she was drunk and told us she will kill us! And one day she would ,she was unpredictable and always hitting us with full force.Police always believed her because she knew how to play the victim-Poor Single mom with 7 kids who don’t know how to behave!After police visit the abuse got worse every time!She blamed us for the life she didn’t have ,mind you she had 7 kids from different fathers and no one stayed,because she was literally crazy ! I still go to therapy and have depression and nightmares! She was/is a Demon! There is no other explanation!
This case will always stand out to me as one of the most horrific. Parole is something that should never have been offered this woman. Thank you for your thorough take on it, especially from a complex mental health perspective.
That's what they did back then interviewed children in the presence of the accused abuser.I watched this case years ago in great detail on American Justice ,thanks for sharing and reviving this case 👍👍
One of my Psychologists misdiagnosed me Bipolar. He demanded my Psychiatrist give anti Bipolar medication. Which I took. The medication made me feel horrible. In the end I started taking Lamotrine. Which caused my face and neck to get rashes. My doctor switched me to Abilfy. That was worse. I stopped taking Abilfy. I researched Bipolar, turns out I don't have any of the symptoms. I told my Psychiatrist and he agreed with me. I was on the island of Maui from July 16-23. I felt great. Last Thursday I on my own stopped taking Depakote and Buspirone. A little shaky, but I am walking more and more without my walker. Best of luck to you.
I never again any weight with Depakote. But I did with Prozac. I went from 132lbs to 196lbs in six months. Once I went off Prozac I started losing weight A month ago I decided to Google symptoms of Bipolar. Turns out I didn't have any of the symptoms. So I stopped taking the Depakote, Buspar and Abilfy. I feel a 100% better. My weight is now 126lbs. Plus, because of the meds I was using a walker to get around. Two weeks ago I stopped using the walker. Very proud of myself.
What a shame this case has brought about some negative comments here about solo mothers! I'm a solo parent and am appalled at some of the opinions on here I'm reading. Most single parents DID NOT CHOOSE this life. We believed in love, it did not work out how we planned it, and we were unwilling to tolerate disrespect so we became single with our kids in tow. Others were abandoned by men in all sorts of ways. Whichever way a woman becomes a single parent is really none of anyone's damn business to judge anyway! Shame on the people using this case of an extremely horrible abnormal woman to BASH single mothers like myself. Single mothers who never planned this life, but do the best we damn well can to make it work. I work two jobs, study criminology and criminal justice AND am studying to be an eyelash technician as a hobby. I get on well with both my exes, and their current partners. I love my kids and don't date anyone, and don't go out! SHAME on you in the comments section judging single mothers because of the actions of this nasty b*tch. SHAME ON YOU!
Yes, the *majority* of mothers are doing a great job raising their children, whether on their own or co-parenting after separation from their partners. The mother in this tragic case was an anomaly, and her mental health issues and subsequent violent behaviours likely stemmed from early childhood trauma that she experienced or witnessed. I give credit to single/solo mothers who do a good job parenting their kids, despite setbacks, sacrifices, and other challenges they face, with head held high and the strength and ethics to raise their children well. Kudos to you!
Hey Dr. Grande🥰😁 What a nice treat to get to see a new video from you at such an unexpected time! Thank you so very much! My ears perked up when you mentioned the 30-30 & that it's good for hunting. My family taught me to hunt when I was about 6yrs old & as I grew up, I began to have an affinity for 30-30s & I still do today. Your the best Dr. Grande🥰
What really wonders me is what a horrible woman she was, yet she had men lining up for marrying her. A new husband every year. Just proves how unbalanced the dating marketplace is
@@ZelenoJabko - That's sexist and not funny. She must've had some kind of appeal, or she set her standards low, as did the men she wed & had kids with.
Teresa was scary and demanding towards her children. Part is due also to the fact that they needed the love of a parent and needed the feeling of being wanted and have approval. Teresa did not seem to have a maternal feeling toward the kids even before she went on her murders of her own kids. The fact that she was not a nice person and a terrible person was another reason for not having a boyfriend. Her nastiness came through. As they say, the ugliness inside someone usually will show through in the outside as well. To anyone who is able to observe the person independently.
This case has been featured on a number of TV shows over the years including "Cold Case Files"! It's beyond sad that the youngest daughter Terry ended up dying at a young age anyways of a I believe heart attack. The shit she went through and she had to die young like that. Fucked up.
Omg I can't believe Dr Grande did a video about Theresa Knorr!!! I had asked in the comment section on the video "Is Borderline Abuse real?" if he could do a video about Theresa Knorr! Thank you Dr Grande for doing this!!! Loved your analysis on it!!! ❤️❤️❤️ This case honestly was like a horror movie come to life! Something that you'd only expect to see on CSI, Law and Order, Criminal Minds etc! ☹️☹️😰😰 I hate that Theresa's still alive while her daughters are all dead especially Terry! ☹️ Terry deserved to live a long happy life especially after getting justice for her sisters! My mom was verbally and emotionally abusive and I can see tiny bits of Theresa in her...Though now that my mom has dementia so it's changed which makes it worse for me as now I'm stuck visiting sometimes someone who had moments where she was like Theresa Knorr but now I get a false image of love. 😔😔😔 It's been very traumatic experience! Hopefully Susan, Sheila and Terry are at peace now! ❤️ And I hope Theresa *NEVER* gets parole!!! She deserves to be locked up forever after everything she's done!
Totally off topic, but would you consider creating a series of videos that deal with marriage? Could you cover what a healthy marriage looks like? What is emotional neglect? What a couple should do when they are off course? Any videos that cover what to do when marriage is hard would be great!!
I Remember driving back from Reno after dark with my Father and we were almost home in Alpine Meadows when we saw flames about a mile before Squaw. The flames were narrow and shot upward very tall burning what seemed to be a bonfire or something. I was telling my Dad "oh my got its going to start a forest fire" We stopped on the side of the road briefly and before I got out I remember my Dad ( a Vietnam Marine Vet.) staring back at the fire not saying anything for a while but soon he had seen the fire was on open ground and he obviously had a bad feeling ,then said "someone is out here burning something" that's all he said and we left. I was just thinking he knew best and did not think too much of it. We got home he called authorities to report the fire and that was it. Then I remember reading in the Tahoe paper a few days later that it was a woman's body found burned. I'll never forget the sick and spooky feeling that overwhelmed me.
I remember this case from the series Cold Case Files. The daughter Terry talked about how the sister who was shot, was placed on the sofa and Terry took care of her. The second daughter who was locked in the closet, Terry tried to help by giving her water with a straw and slipping her crackers and cookies. Except for the murdering part this woman is like my mother. She beat us (me most of all) with a thick leather belt, wouldn't let us attend school and was very abusive verbally. She would always say that if it wasn't for us she'd be a famous actress in Hollywood. Well, she actually did kill one person...her mother. My mommy dearest, got into a very loud and violent argument with a sister in law. I was in the room at the time and so was my grandmother. During the argument mom suddenly brandished a large butcher knife and threatened to kill her sister in law. My grandmother screamed and fainted, I was terrified myself and ran out of the house. My aunt ran out of house screaming that she was going to call the police. Shortly afterwards the paramedics arrived and my grandmother was taken to the hospital... she had a heart attack. The police though never arrived and mom was never charged or arrested. One thing that did happen, because mom had caused my grandmother to have a heart attack she wasn't allowed (by the rest of the family) to visit her in the hospital or when she returned to her home. In fact I never saw my grandmother again. Four months later, we received a phone call telling us that grandmother had had another heart attack and died. I will never forget mom's performance at her funeral. She went around the chapel wailing in a loud voice, "Mama! Mama!" and grabbing hold of anyone who'd let her and sob hysterically. I sat in the back and watched her with some bemusement because I noticed (I doubt anyone else did) that despite all the noise she made there were no tears. She died 15 years ago and believe me no one misses her. 😐
Thank you Dr. Grande. This might be the most awful case I’ve heard you discuss. It’s impossible to find a silver lining In this story of an unspeakably cruel and deranged person. My heart goes out to those children who were so monstrously abused by their own mother. Those innocent daughters of hers and all her children were catastrophically failed by the social services whose sole purpose is to protect children from abuse. The only possible good that can come from this historical litany of unimaginable crimes, is that it never be forgotten. I don’t know if a book or movie has been made out of these crimes, but it should be. Only so that that won’t be forgotten. It’s not a pleasant story whatsoever but someone needs to bring this history to light. I mean on a national level so that some sort of foundation or movement is born to do everything possible to prevent children from being subjected to kind of suffering ever again. I don’t know what else to say.. You’re a smart guy Dr. Grande if you start a foundation to promote the education and protection of abused children, you’ll have my donation of money and anything else I could volunteer to facilitate such an enterprise.
I can't believe authorities were so stupid to interview children in front of their abuser.
I believe it.
Fr you'd think common sense would kick in
Happens too often
Authorities are still negligent in far too many cases. Goodness only knows how much abuse went unnoticed back in those days. Shockingly awful case. Cant imagine how mentally destroyed those children are
@@Kevin-Schmevin what's that got to do with anything
This was a creepy one for me to hear. My name is Susan and my mother was born same year and also borderline and narcissistic. My mom was jealous, rage full, vindictive, and violent. She assaulted me violently many times as a child and really wanted to murder me but didn't want to go to jail. I ran away at 14 but cops didn't believe me and would send me back there. I would run away right after they returned me and I finally went into hiding. My sisters always went along with mothers lies and covered for her. By age of 16 I no longer had to hide and could get a job and apartment and start a life. I'm still healing from all that trauma but I have a successful life, well educated, especially on topic of personality disorder, I have a farm, log home in country and I'm a loving mother. I live with anxiety disorder and PTSD but that's it. I think it was my friends that saved me from suicide or destruction. I always had good friends trying to help me. My school and local police failed to help me. It was other children that saved me. And they also saved me from becoming an antisocial myself. I have empathy and love in my heart and will help anyone that needs it.
So horrific! Sorry you had to go through this 😔
Breaking the chain of distinction is so very hard! You are a hero to have done it! Good for you!🎖🏆🏅
My mom is just as crazy. The monster always comes out every 10 years and this last one she smashed my head with the tv remote and put a knife to my neck for no reason. So that traumatized me so bad that I hated all humans. I couldn't stand the sound of music or any kind of sound. I couldn't take the bus cause I felt scared of people. I had thoughts of self harm and harming others when I should be harming her. It lasted 3 weeks and one day I woke up and was normal. This happened on March 9th 2022. I still see that knife and it doesn't give me PTSD. Broken woman that have yet learned to love themselves are pumping out 2 to 6 kid.
@@GateKeeper36 wow! I'm sorry this happened to you. I hope you find happiness away from her and that she may never hurt you again 🙏🏽
Life is a lot better with real friends
Imagine running away and finally being free only to be dragged back to the monster you were running away from. Even hell couldn't be this cruel..
She should have been in prison for the death of her first husband, then this wouldn’t have happened. Shame on that judge.
It wasn't the judge it was the jury. Judges don't convict people jury's do. Unless you are at a bench trial which she was not
@@ForageGardenerAs we all know, jury instructions (that come from the judge) can influence outcome. Not all judges are good.
What about the death penalty?
Bottom line is: take young people seriously when they tell you they're being abused. Those social workers failed the kids as it so often seems to be the case.
Not always tho. My nephew use to tell teachers I would beat him up, but I never did. He was like 8.
Back then LE, CPS and Docs invariably believed the Parents unless the situation was so obvious that it couldn't be ignored.
Even then, the Parent would have had to been practically caught red - handed.
All the Parent would have had to do is appear normal long enough to give a plausible story to Authorities.
Kids weren't believed back then.
@@Reeeeeee12345 why would he tell teachers that?
@Kimberley Van Leeuwen there has to be some kind of dysfunction going on for kids to falsely accuse parents of abuse. That's not normal. Better to take the children seriously and thoroughly investigate and find no abuse than to ignore a child and allow them to be abused further
@@rosenbaum75
It's not unusual for kids to lie! The Doc here should be able to verify that. Who knows, they see things, they might be trying to get attention, whatever. Not all kids are saints!
Baffling how CPS fails children so often. Very sad, poor Susan must've gone through hell.
@@brianclingenpeel5123 Brian, I agree!
Yes, CPS or social workers are terrible at protecting kids, they're almost as bad as the mental health profession which are all led by their noses by the DSM which was written by a group in the pay of Big Pharma, to prescribe their chemicals to people who don't need them! It's ridiculous how a system put together with no scientific evidence, can ruin the lives of so many people. CPS is equally bad at doing what it's supposed to and many times worsens situations instead of helping.
GPS is not about helping children it's about profit
CPS fails families. These agencies can't seem to distinguish between children who are being abused and parents who are being wrongly accused.
Unfortunately they interview people In Front if their abuser & the goal is ‘keep the family together’. Sad the authorities fail children like this
The older I get the more I realize how incredibly lucky I was to have been raised in a stable two parent drama free comfortable home.
@@frankG335 the drama we did have usually involved me plotting to get my brothers in trouble! I was sneaky lol!!!
Your life is much better than most, even if your material circumstances ever go bad, that's for sure. Did you reply to yourself for some reason? This comment section is total garbage after 2011.
@@melfreemansSame! Especially as I've gotten to know my parents as people and learned how many of the memories of daily life I treasure and draw on for "advice" were conscious choices on their part, and often difficult ones.
How do you work out together how to show four children love and support while also holding them accountable, and then allow them the freedom to make their own mistakes while ensuring there's a safe place of they fall?
I don't know how but they did it, and while I'm grateful it also makes me quite sad to know this experience is not what the majority of people have experienced. ✌️🍍
@@PFMediaServices I think it's only going to get much worse for kids in the future.
Wow... You're so lucky!
That woman is a good example of an irredeemable human being. Why so many people are in favor of the death penalty.
What really wonders me is what a horrible woman she was, yet she had men lining up for marrying her. A new husband every year. Just proves how unbalanced the dating marketplace is
@@ZelenoJabko Hmmm. I don't think so. They probably found her attractive (not sure why) and lined up to be with her.
@@moniqueloomis9772 I disagree. Even a 40 year post wall woman can get as many men as she wants
And I can only imagine what those many “boyfriends” did to her poor children 🤦♀️ on top of everything the female parent did!
@@Schiffon you have to imagine it because it was never mentioned. It wasn't mentioned probably because nothing happened. Is that so difficult to imagine?
When they interviewed the children with the mom in the room and returned Susan, that was blatant failure! They have a huge responsibility on what happened subsequently.
Killing someone by starvation and dehydration is particularly nasty. This woman should have been on a watch list after the first suspected murder. A general rule is the more spouses and children the more probability of mental 'illness'. This woman lacked the ability to self regulate. When children tried to raise more red flags than a Chinese army parade they were dismissed by the Police. If you want crime to go down, start looking at the abusive parents who want their model 94 back after shooting someone.
No one knew that her daughter was missing, her dumped body was a Jane Doe
They have been incompetent for years
@lafemmefidele They do. That's why you hear about both of them being incompetent
Yaaaasssss’ agree 💯 percent
I've heard of this story a lot and thought about my own mother funny thing is we lived in Orangevale too in the early seventies first Roseville then Orangeville my mother definitely had borderline personality. I'm 65 now and I still suffer from the lifelong effects of her and my brothers and sisters are still in denial things turned out better for them the extended family is incomplete denial and many people that came in contact with my mother actually think that she was some kind of nice person makes me want to gag I was the eldest daughter so I was her scrapbook from the time I was a little girl from the time I can remember like three four definitely three she did similar horrific things she was absolutely textbook I didn't learn about borderline until strangely enough she got an apple iPad and I got on the iPad and was looking at mental disorders I did not know how to use a computer I still don't know how to use a computer but I put in some words like mother who abuses eldest daughter and borderline popped up I kept reading and there it was my whole life story. Just one little antidote there are so many that I couldn't even begin to tell you all of them but the last year we lived in Roseville when I was 15 which was 1972 and 73 she decided to attack me with a large butcher knife I was exactly the same size that she was and so I held her off in hand to hand combat she was very serious about stabbing me with it my younger brother only 2 years younger than me who was about 14 at the time just sat in his rocking chair and watched. The hand to hand went on tremendous struggle with me holding her wrist with the knife in it at Bay at one point I yelled to my brother to come get the knife away from her when I was holding her wrist he finally jumped up and took the knife away from her while she screamed at him not to that he would get the same if he did I was yelling to him hide it hide it and he was afraid to hide it what a chicken s*** at some point I broke away after he took the knife from her but he didn't hide it because he was scared I ran to my bedroom and shut the door and shoved my shoe underneath the door wedged it underneath so that she couldn't open the door it was a boat shoe tennis shoe I held the door knob as tight as I could there was no lock on the door so that she could not enter I used all my strength to keep her out she began to violently stab the shoe she got down in a crouching position and I could hear her stabbing the shoe like a maniac she thought my foot was inside the shoe my father came home from a trip about an hour later or so and she told him I might need to go to the hospital and he came to the door and asked me if I was okay I said yes I was okay I had been calling the local hotline almost every day that year and the year before that telling them everyday word for word verbatim what she was doing I think I had somebody call child welfare and they came out and they did absolutely nothing my mother had thrown everything out into the garage my belongings she cleared out my bedroom and threw my belongings out into the garage I moved them out too was told to child welfare said that all she had to do was let me sleep in the house on the couch that's Orangevale and that was by then 1973 the spring of 1973 just thought I'd like to say. I think they might have asked my brothers and sisters what happened but I wasn't around so I guess my brothers and sisters lied and just blew it off like same thing did exactly the same thing I have since read that this is typical of the other children in a borderline scrape goat situation. I almost found happiness with a young man who was becoming a psychologist he believed my stories but he was kind of selfish and conceited himself and just wanted to go on with his education he asked me to marry him twice but wouldn't get me out of the house became a psychologist but after a few years of working for the criminal justice system in Texas the Federal Criminal Justice in a in a jail he ghosted me basically after 25 years of friendship can't believe it a very sad life.
It is sad that no other adult realised what was going on. Not a teacher, social worker or any of the people the children told. It’s incredible that the children were interviewed in the mother’s presence.
Incredible!!!!
I saw that woman’s face and immediately remembered reading a book about her many years ago, ‘Whatever Mother Says.’
What a dreadful story.
read that book
Yup! Same. I still have it.
For many years I had this “naive” belief that, regardless of someone’s bad behavior, every human being have a shred of humanity within them. Unfortunately, I don’t feel this way anymore. In my opinion, some people are simply irredeemable. I think this woman is a monster who should never had children. I can’t see a sliver of humanity in someone like this. It’s just heartbreaking to hear what happened to those kids. What a horrific case.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this case, Dr. Grande.❤️
Everyone has that shred of humanity, some decide to even throw that away
My mom, and many others should never have had children.
Incredibly sad.
I still believe in humanity. I think Theresa could have been saved and thus so could her daughters. It all comes down to prevention. Thats how we break the cycle of abuse.
Same experience. I realize now that there are many altruistic, kind hearted people, and an equal number of humans who are devoid of compassion, a conscience, have an overall disdain for humanity (and often hate all living creatures), and are driven to satisfy only their desires and needs. Those same degenerate humans are narcissists, and tend to maximize their negative impact on the world and simultaneously satisfying their desire to inflict pain , by using tactics that serve to disrupt and destroy the lives of their targets. They usually pathological liars, scheme to inflict emotional trauma, damage their lives, jeopardize their employment, jeopardize or destroy their personal relationships, destroy reputations by spreading rumours smear campaign, about them in their communities, etc.
Yes, that's why there are prisons and life without parole sentences. For the irredeemable. It's sad but that's life.
I saw an interview with Terry the youngest of the children. Her opinion of her mother was her mother went after her two older daughters because they were growing up and were becoming attractive. Terry thought her mother was jealous of her two older daughters.
Also from what I’ve heard about this case the two remaining sons weren’t subjected to as much of abuse as the daughters were.
I've noticed some mothers in general being incredibly jealous of their daughters when growing up. Dated a few girls where theyve told me how their mom would tease them about the way they looked up or just demean them in general
I think I saw the same interview. Theresa was jealous of her daughters´beauty and that set her over the edge.
I can totally see this being the case... My own 'mother' used to be vicious towards me then my little sister when I had abandoned home. I had another sister but that one was morbidly obese and looked nothing like us. Till this day, if you tell that woman she treated us badly, she will deny it and call us 'ungrateful liars', even when my own cousins and my grandmother use to say they couldn't understand the difference in treatment.🤷♀
@@CaptainFracture Sometimes girls sleep with their mother's boyfriends. The world is messed up.
@@luluszahir- I'm sorry you and your sisters endured that awful treatment. It's possible that your sister who became obese might've taken solace in food, and developed an eating disordered as a coping device (self-soothing) when your mother lashed out at you and your little sister. All of you grew up and witnessed abuse at home. Each one of you would react differently - and similarly, in some aspects.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: children are not a right, they're a privilege. Some people are unworthy of them.
I agree
They are a right that comes with responsibility.
What about the mothers that abort their children before being born? Preemptive murder?
@JustMemes Please explain how prioritizing the rights of children over the rights of parents led to concentration camps. I'd be interested to learn.
@JustMemes It's that kind of thinking. You do not identify " That Kind of Thinking ".
this could've all been over if someone was able to figure out how her first husband died. people kept dying and no one bat an eye. Unbelievable.
Its only in recent decades that its dawned on law enforcement that women can kill.
Sacramento...
They KNOW how he died - she shot him. It's just that she claimed abuse and self defense and got off scot free.
@@MakerInMotion yeah. The women are wonderful syndrome.
I feel like back in the day it was impossible to keep track of people. That’s why criminals or shady people would pick up and leave town, because unless there’s a detective assigned to follow them all over the country, they just disappear and reappear in a new town and start the cycle all over.
I just can't believe how any parent could care more about having a romantic partner than taking care of their children.
I will never ever put a man in front of my kids. Even if i have to die alone and bitter. My kids will always know that if not with anyone else with me they are the prize and the most important.
But when i think about it I’m only that way because of trauma from my mom and wanting to do the opposite.
The women was a sociopath
It's hard to believe but it happens. My mother let my brother and sister and I receive a lot of abuse, physical and sexual, because my stepdad was more important. He abused her too but she wouldn't leave him until he cheated on her. They had been childhood sweethearts and had some sort of intense sexual attraction from my observation but it was clearly a warped relationship. One time when I didn't clear the table on time my stepdad yanked me up from the sofa by my hair and shoved me across the dining room table dishes and all. Then he grabbed me by the throat and punched me in the face. I was a 13 year old girl. When I yelled at my mother saying he was going to kill me, she yelled and cussed at me and said if I had cleared the table on time this wouldn't have happened. In the time of my greatest fear she blamed me and abandoned me emotionally. After the adultery she divorced my stepdad. Many years later when I was in college we had some sort of heated discussion and she said if it wasn't for us kids she'd still be married. Wow. She would rather be married to an abusive adulterer. What a low blow. She had many untreated psychological problems. I now have a diagnosis of BPD, depression, and anxiety. She probably had BPD herself and unfortunately passed it down to me. But God has been faithful and provided two amazing Christian therapists since 1987. I had seen one other therapist when I was young and got kicked out of the house. I'm now 66 and still dealing with my personality disorder and the other psychological problems. But God has brought much healing into my life. My current therapist said we are going to meet as long as we can which is a great comfort. It will probably be his retirement as he's 70 but I try not to focus on that! So, yes, unfortunately some women are more interested in a lover than protecting their children. But I do have to admit this case that Dr. Grande analyzed is the most horrific I have ever heard 😭
It happens more often than anyone knows. I know because I have been there. My mom always had low self estimate and a terrible sense of self worth.
She had a bad habit of either marrying or just moving in, sorry and abusive bums in the house
@@tiffanyeyoung1800 Reminds me of the movie, Precious. I know women who refused relationships for the sake of their children, and others at their expense.
As someone who grew up in a violent home, stories like these are so upsetting!
So many abused children turned up beaten and worse!
Worse, this horrible society teaches children to tell the authorities if someone harms them in any way, but when they do, they're not believed.
Her younger children were terrified of her! Poor Susan didn't stand a chance nor young Sheila.
The boys didn't either. She taught them to be as bad, or worse, than her.
This sad case shows that domestic violence and the mental and emotional effects of it, are not taken seriously in America.
Terry did her best to stand up for her siblings but to no avail.
Those poor, poor children. They had no hope.
Unfortunately there are so many abused children failed miserably by the system. I am a daughter to a narcissistic mother, and made many cries for help when I was younger. They typically side with the abusive parents and rule the child as rebellious.
Yep! Happened to me. 🙏
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"...A cartridge that is often used for hunting deer, but she had a slightly more husband-like target in mind." Ok, I ended up LAUGHING OUT LOUD at that one!
This is one of the most disturbing stories I have ever hear, by isolating the children she gained complete control over them. The children walked on egg shells every day of their life as not to provoke their mother’s wrath, but they experienced it anyway. It’s astonishing that she got away with the cruelty for so many years, and WHY not one of the men she married never cared enough to see what those poor children were going through and report her to authorities.
The children were failed all the way around by everyone they reached out to for help. It makes you wonder how many more cases such as this may be going on today, yet no one will listen or help, this breaks my heart ❤️
Always find a way to try and blame men huh?unbelievable 🙄
@@katangapr Good Grief, no I not only blamed the men, as I said everyone they told let them down. Read someone’s comment before you start critical responses. The men lived in that house, they had to see something. Social workers and police didn’t believe the accusations, they failed to investigate. So no I didn’t just blame the men.
@@doyeworrell1680 Some abusers are good at putting up an act in public. I also wonder if her bfs had much contact with the children. Given her behavior, it wouldn't be surprising if she kept them apart.
This one really got to me too. Heartbreaking.
Yeah, felt this one, the last one that was somewhat impressionable was Genie (feral child). Interesting story there.
What an absolute monster of a human being, but it would have helped me understand this whole tragic story a lot better had I known how old these children were during the ordeal. Like when the daughter Susan was hand-cuffed how old was she, and also when her sons helped kill Susan how old were they and Susan? Maybe I missed the date of birth of these children but it could have been pointed out during the run-down of this unbelievably sad story.
All were in their late teens...
Sheila born in 65. Suesan born in 66. William in 67 and Robert in 68. Terri was the youngest - born in 1970.
Suesan was killed in 1984 and Sheila in 1985.
The wiki lists the birth (and death) dates of her children. Shiela was ~20 when she died and Suesan was ~18, though it’s safe to assume the abuse had been going on their whole lives. I can’t see any other reason the boys would go along with her unless they had been raised horribly and abused by her the whole time.
And they were all born within a few years of each other.
@@LittleBlueOwl318 Thanks a lot. It's unbelievable how they could be so brainwashed at that age, to go along with these atrocities. Never underestimate the power of fear and bad psycho parenting, oh my.
@@lbj4993 they were controlled by fear
I saw this on the ID channel. The son that shot his sister ( because his mother made him) was telling this story. It was quite shocking and traumatic to hear this story. How could a mother do this to her own children?
These kids were trapped in their mother's sick world.
The son who told the story spoke about the abuse their mother heaped on them and how no one helped them. He said he had to live with the guilt of knowing he was forced to shoot his sister and how it affected his life.
I can't even imagine what they went through. It was hard to watch and realized this really happened to that family. So sad ... it's hard to wrap your head around! God bless those kids who are now grown and survived the horror of a parent who had severe mental problems!
The show on ID channel is called, "Evil Lives Here."
Theresa is the one who shot her, not the son and not the other daughter, either. Theresa is a damn LIAR!
Do you have a link? This story is so messed up holy moly
@@andrewbochicchio2232 I am looking right now -- SOMEWHERE there is a lengthy interview with Terry before her own death in 2011 that I'm trying to find... not having much luck but will post it when I do. I think, if I remember right, it was on A&E or something... or maybe an episode of Cold Case Files or even a Dateline interview. I can't seem to find it.
@@LittleBlueOwl318 According to the son's account his mother forced him to shoot her... that was his words. I wasn't there.
god bless the kids that were unwillingly put in this position by god I guess? Odd choice of words..& one of the sons is back in jail for child pornography charges, situations like this aren't going to end well.
When someone is more concerned about finding a partner than for their owns kids. That's horrible and it happens probably more often than we think.
It does. Grew up in that kind of an environment myself
Fathers don't seem to have this tendency. Mothers are the ones inclined to throw their kids under the bus for a new relationship.
@@thinkingallowed7042 Fathers often forget about their children completely and just are gone with the wind. There are plenty of fathers like that. It is better than being in the hands of an abusive monster. But fathers can also be abusive monsters and some fathers rape their children so....
Real life is scarier than any movie.
Oh my goodness, this was painful to hear. Those poor kids...
This case AND this video should be MANDATORY study for EVERY police department and childrens/family agency!
Pouring gasoline on someone and setting them on fire, let alone doing that to your own child, is profoundly disturbing. I remember seeing a scene in the movie "American Gangster" where the main character did that and it bothered me for a long time.
The people who ignored the children 's abuse should be persecuted to the fullest. 😡😡😡
This happened in the 1970s-'80s, so many of the *adults* then would be deceased by now.
People should not be able to remove children from school.
These cases need more exposure. In almost every one “see something say something” may have made a big difference
Going by Dr Grande's descriptions Theresa became some odd combination of her mother who was obese and her 1st husband who she claimed hit her. Although I think the only thing the first husband hit was her ego by trying to leave. And the other men in her life also left. And then she hit her children and then worse.
This happens with families like. The cycle of violence tends to repeat itself
Her children’s lives, especially Susan’s were horrific. I guess for her daughters, you could say they are in a better place, may they Rest In Peace. I wonder what happened to the first son? Just curious… Alas, all these institutions like the police, children protection services, failed these children miserably. Very tragic and unfortunately, common in the US
*Suesan
@@icturner23
Eh? Why are you correcting the correct spelling of "Susan"?
A better place would have been away from her.
Because all those service favor WOMEN! When will you all wake up?
@@ZelenoJabko we
I grew up in Sacramento and met a man who is Knorr's grandson. There is so much more to this story...
Tell us?
Good Sunday Morning to you Dr. Grande from DC. My heart just aches towards abused children in these horrible circumstations and situations.
"After the acquittal, Theresa asked for her rifle back. I guess it had sentimental value" LOL. Your dry humour keeps me coming back to this channel.
Theresa was a monster plain and simple. What she experienced growing up can't explain her behaviour in fact I'm sick of hearing that these monsters were abused. Almost like it's an excuse. I thought I had a strong stomach but this one shook me.
I think it can explain it to an extent. It is to _what_ extent that is the question, in terms of making a moral judgement. The perpetrator still deserves to spend the rest of her life in jail; regardless of that moral judgement. Society has to be protected from her and she has to be made to suffer in order to atone.
Well, being abused (when young) is a MAJOR trend that you see with these monsters. I agree that it isn’t a good excuse to explain away their behavior, but the abuse is DEFINITELY worth paying attention to..
@@reesemorgan2259It does explain it, but not excuse it or justify it. But yes, some people that suffer abuse go on to abuse others. Also not all types of abuse are the same and it will affect people differently.
@@coryjohnson2486The best course of action nowadays I think would be to give more access to good quality mental health to children and adults that want that help and want to get better or have had traumatic experiences. Children especially I think have the potential to recover from abuse if given a chance. Not all of them maybe, but many.
Just garbage ...
Dr Grande, I just finished watching a video about Sylvia Likens, another horrible crime against a child by their parent. Back to back with this story, horrific! How parents can do horrible things to their children baffles and shocks me! It's just incredibly sad and disturbing. Thank you for this story. RIP to these victims
How do sick people like this hide in plain sight and get away with outright cruelty for so long? I’m just astounded . And how is it possible that she was in the slightest way attractive to multiple men?? All of this is so unbelievable.
Some of the plainest people get multiple spouses
A disturbing similarity to the Susan Smith Case from the 80's when a single mother basically prioritized her sex life over the well-being of her sons and got rid of the sons by drowning them in a lake with her car.
that was Diane downs Susan Smith was just crazy
i do a lot of those i don't anwser my door unless I'm expecting u i trust no one i never leave my house I've gotten a bit fat but i am disabled i won't even anwser the door for a cop cuz i watch true crime and i know better now i can't have a dirt home or ever harm anyone
Susan Smith case was in 1994.
@@TheBOG3 Thank you for your correction. I was fuzzy on the exact time frame, I just knew it was a long time ago.
@@angiebervinkle9542 Susan Smith was probably "crazy," but I believe she thought her children were holding her back from a particular relationship with someone other than her husband.
As a borderline patient and proud mother this is so painful and hard to watch, I’m so grateful for my wonderful support team of drs counselors and family. More than anything I’m grateful for my daughter. I wish this woman could have found some help.
What border are you afraid to cross ...?
Borderline personality disorder alone is treatable. But throw antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders into the mix and you get an unredeemable monster.
Thank you for covering this case, I asked about it earlier. I had watched a documentary with one of her sons and to hear his account of events was heartbreaking.
Hello Dr. Grande, there's an horrible case that happened in Italy a few days ago. A mother left her 18mo daughter at home alone for a week, to visit her boyfriend- the little girl died of a slow and terrible death. A psychiatric evaluation has been requested for this woman by her lawyers. I would love to hear your opinion about it.
Checkout the Robert Hair psychopathic check list.
She was convicted.
Some people aren’t meant to be parents. As a child of a BPD (knowingly untreated) narcissist mother, I can attest to this firsthand.
Was she diagnosed with BPD? If not, please don’t be throwing that diagnosis around like it’s a character flaw or something. It’s a psychiatric illness with a VERY specific set of symptoms on which you have to have a certain number or more - and only then can those symptoms be included ONLY if they interfere with the individuals life…
I was diagnosed with BPD, and while, yes, I have worked for years in therapy and only recently had my diagnosis quashed- I still do and will always have borderline traits. It’s something I have to accept and something I will always have to work on.
Comments like yours can be extremely stigmatising, and while I personally don’t much care what others think of me when they learn I have BPD: to have people say things like “some people aren’t meant to be parents” when I damn well KNOW what a good parent I am to my 8 year old daughter (well, the best parent I can be, as we ALL are trying to be), and how much love and support there is in my home and what an amazing little confident, hilarious person she has turned out to be.
Yeah… that kind of shit I cannot accept. Sure I’m treated now but I still had my daughter when I was at my sickest and I STILL made sure that she was never around me when I had my downswings. Made sure that she was with my husband while I tried everything to cope with my awful intensive depressive thoughts and feelings. You damn well bet I protected her from all of that.
I’m not the best mother in the world, and anyone who says they are should not be believed, but I god damn love my child and my family and comments like this now spurs other people on under the stigmatising banner of “BORDERLIENS ARE ALL EVIL ANd ABUSIVE”
Just another reason why we desperately need to keep abortion and birth control legal. Millions more unwanted children means even more abuse and mental illness. Mental illness is going to be the downfall of our country if we don't take drastic measures soon.
@@Aurora-Nyx anyway all borderlines are evil and abusive :/ you made that reputation yourselves and then get mad when your victims call you it. Anyway I hope all children get removed from abusive homes and get healthy, stable parents who can actually love them them.
@@Aurora-Nyx the whole fact of getting angry at someone for stating they were abused by a narcaline parent and accusing them of lying and spreading stigma is literal proof you will never be able to care about others because all you can think about is yourself and your image. I hope your children get taken away from you and if not realize they deserve better as adults. I wish no child had to suffer a parent that lacks the ability to care about them.
@@Aurora-Nyx Stop crying and trying to make yourself into the victim for someone else explaining the trauma they went thru. Your reply exposes perfectly why no one likes borderlines. Someone talks about horrible shit they went thru and you somehow someway find a way to not only invalidate their experience and shame them for it but also make it about you and make yourself the victim. Pathetic, but also typical.
I don’t believe for a minute your a good mother. I’ve yet to meet a borderline who wasn’t extremely abusive in one way or another to all of her children that also refuses to admit it. It’s just how you people are.
Hello Dr. Grande, this reminded me (abstractly, at least) of Joseph Kallinger. If you haven’t analyzed him yet, it would be a great case to look at.
Thanks for all the insight and entertainment. Be well.
Awesome, just arrived at work and have a new Dr. Grande video to play in the background. ❤🌵
Fellow overnigher here! Love grande!
@@parrotpirate9648 So glad I'm not the only one! 😎
Thank you for the excellent video! I read a book many years ago titled: "Whatever mother says" about this story. I appreciate you doing a video analysis of the case, Dr. Grande! Cheers!
I also read the book. I believe the book was written by Ann Rule? Am I right?
THEE worst mother I’ve heard of next to the Sylvia Likens case. Still get disturbed by this story to this day. Thanks for covering this topic!
I wish I could write like you. Your summaries and conclusions are powerful! Thank you.
love the formatting of the videos and dry humor/sarcasm, Dr. Grande!
While this is the extreme of an NPD mother, Having had one myself, this type of behavior is typical, isolation, forcing and demonstrating aberrant behavior which we do not understand as aberrant until the damage has been done, scapegoating and using golden children against scapegoats. No one, family, teachers or neighbors will intercede, ever,.Fact.
Absolutely 💯 % agree LD!!
OMG I know this case. Absolutely horrific.
Me too. I remember it vividly as I live near Sacramento, CA
Geeeze the system still thinks women can’t do the unthinkable such as abuse and unalive their own children.
Some people shouldn't be parents.
@@DogMomOfTwoCuties it's so true. Right now i also don't want to be a parent. It's such a huge responsibility.
@@RedFeather11 I never wanted to be a parent and my husband was fine with that. I'm elderly now and not sorry.
@@diannew6066just maybe 1 hour ago, I was thinking in my mind I don't want to have a child. And now seeing your message. Wow 😳 thank you for letting me know. Yes I don't want to regret as I am 33 years old now.
When I investigated child abuse, I met so many cases of children who side with their abusers. This case is especially horrendous. Do you have any insight into this issue? Keep up the good work. You are the best. Love your work. Take care.
Can you explain the “children who side with their abusers” part?
I believe it's called trauma bonding.
We are brought up with lectures about never to share our business, period.
Some have referred to it as Stockholm Syndrome back in the day.
Brownie Hendricks Unfortunately, it is extremely common and often doesn't change as adults; although, more and more people are becoming aware nowadays, due to the internet, which is a positive thing.
It seems like it's understandably difficult for children to accept that the adults they look up to, who are supposed to love them, actually don't and trauma bonding occurs as well.
It can turn family members against each other later in life, especially the ones who didn't get abused, or cousins etc, as they only saw the so-called nice side of the person.
I seem to be the only one in my family who can acknowledge that our parents were extremely troubled and abusive. I understand why it's too much for others to face the reality though, due to the pain involved, especially when sexual abuse is part of the situation. 😥
Thank you your explanation of each symptom and behaviors are so interesting and gives a lot of factors to think about 😊
Dr. Grande! thank you for covering this case! I heard about it a while ago and I am surprised not more youtubers have spoken about it! I am hoping this video will encourage more people to talk about it. Such a sad case :(
UA-cam doesnt like us talking about serious topics like ChilldAbbuse or Philicide.
If it where for them we would produce and consume only entertainment.
@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis there’s a sad truth. Entertain, don’t advocate. 👎 disagree!
Just love how dr.grande seems to always being able to throw a little shades and still be able to keep a straight face ❤️🙏🤣
A tragic and chilling story :| Great analysis Dr. Grande!
Just when you think you have heard it all, up pops another story that exposes the deplorable, heartless and unfathomable actions of people and the soul crushing and heart-breaking devastation and unimaginable horror it brings, especially to children. My heart is shattered again and again.
"with the chance of parole"...seriously?! It's awful that each father saw how unstable she was yet up and left leaving the children to be abused. They are jointly responsible for this heinous situation as are the various services who dismissed the children's cries for help 😪
Too many people take sex too casually. I guess the repercussions don't matter and they don't care.
I have read many, many, true crime books…but the one of this case is one that sticks in my mind and will forever. This woman was horrific and what she did to her daughter (especially Susan), had her sons do, just everything about her, really made a lasting impression on me. Leaving such an impression is kind of hard to do considering I do read a lot of these stories. I’ll just never forget her crimes, ever.
This is exactly how my mother behaved my whole childhood until I ran away from home for good and never looked back! She held knife to our throats when she was drunk and told us she will kill us! And one day she would ,she was unpredictable and always hitting us with full force.Police always believed her because she knew how to play the victim-Poor Single mom with 7 kids who don’t know how to behave!After police visit the abuse got worse every time!She blamed us for the life she didn’t have ,mind you she had 7 kids from different fathers and no one stayed,because she was literally crazy ! I still go to therapy and have depression and nightmares! She was/is a Demon! There is no other explanation!
This case will always stand out to me as one of the most horrific. Parole is something that should never have been offered this woman. Thank you for your thorough take on it, especially from a complex mental health perspective.
That's what they did back then interviewed children in the presence of the accused abuser.I watched this case years ago in great detail on American Justice ,thanks for sharing and reviving this case 👍👍
Great analysis. I'm always astounded by the incompetence of law enforcement and mental health personnel.
One of my Psychologists misdiagnosed me Bipolar. He demanded my Psychiatrist give anti Bipolar medication. Which I took. The medication made me feel horrible. In the end I started taking Lamotrine. Which caused my face and neck to get rashes. My doctor switched me to Abilfy. That was worse. I stopped taking Abilfy. I researched Bipolar, turns out I don't have any of the symptoms. I told my Psychiatrist and he agreed with me. I was on the island of Maui from July 16-23. I felt great.
Last Thursday I on my own stopped taking Depakote and Buspirone. A little shaky, but I am walking more and more without my walker.
Best of luck to you.
I never again any weight with Depakote. But I did with Prozac. I went from 132lbs to 196lbs in six months. Once I went off Prozac I started losing weight A month ago I decided to Google symptoms of Bipolar. Turns out I didn't have any of the symptoms. So I stopped taking the Depakote, Buspar and Abilfy. I feel a 100% better. My weight is now 126lbs. Plus, because of the meds I was using a walker to get around. Two weeks ago I stopped using the walker. Very proud of myself.
What a shame this case has brought about some negative comments here about solo mothers! I'm a solo parent and am appalled at some of the opinions on here I'm reading. Most single parents DID NOT CHOOSE this life. We believed in love, it did not work out how we planned it, and we were unwilling to tolerate disrespect so we became single with our kids in tow.
Others were abandoned by men in all sorts of ways. Whichever way a woman becomes a single parent is really none of anyone's damn business to judge anyway! Shame on the people using this case of an extremely horrible abnormal woman to BASH single mothers like myself. Single mothers who never planned this life, but do the best we damn well can to make it work. I work two jobs, study criminology and criminal justice AND am studying to be an eyelash technician as a hobby. I get on well with both my exes, and their current partners. I love my kids and don't date anyone, and don't go out! SHAME on you in the comments section judging single mothers because of the actions of this nasty b*tch. SHAME ON YOU!
Yes, the *majority* of mothers are doing a great job raising their children, whether on their own or co-parenting after separation from their partners. The mother in this tragic case was an anomaly, and her mental health issues and subsequent violent behaviours likely stemmed from early childhood trauma that she experienced or witnessed.
I give credit to single/solo mothers who do a good job parenting their kids, despite setbacks, sacrifices, and other challenges they face, with head held high and the strength and ethics to raise their children well. Kudos to you!
Two exes??... uhm
Anger
@@ipercalisse579 - Judge much? Many people have more than one committed relationship during their adulthood, which can span 50 years or more.
You summed up this tragic story very well Dr. G. Thx for sharing your thoughts. No child should ever have to endure those horrors.
It will always bother me that when the abused ask for help they are not believed.
Excellent analysis, TG!
Can you make one about Patrick bateman from American psycho?
Would love an analysis and film review🙌
Ditto! Good one.
Oh that would be amazing
Your spot on Dr,Grande , I just love hearing you very smart options !
Well done Dr! How scary that these people are capable of this. 👍🇭🇲
Hey Dr. Grande🥰😁 What a nice treat to get to see a new video from you at such an unexpected time! Thank you so very much! My ears perked up when you mentioned the 30-30 & that it's good for hunting. My family taught me to hunt when I was about 6yrs old & as I grew up, I began to have an affinity for 30-30s & I still do today. Your the best Dr. Grande🥰
" she asked for her gun back, i guess it had sentimental value"...haha
This is the first time I ever had to skip bits of a Dr Grande video!
What a narcissistic monster. She sure had alot of kids, didn't deserve to be a mother. Great points always. Thanks Dr G😉💚💚
Borderline
@@annelikindlund9183 We don't know. But narcissism there for sure.
What really wonders me is what a horrible woman she was, yet she had men lining up for marrying her. A new husband every year. Just proves how unbalanced the dating marketplace is
@@ZelenoJabko Haha true. Men must be desperate to want to marry her.
@@ZelenoJabko - That's sexist and not funny. She must've had some kind of appeal, or she set her standards low, as did the men she wed & had kids with.
Dr. Todd is an absolute legend 🤘
Teresa was scary and demanding towards her children. Part is due also to the fact that they needed the love of a parent and needed the feeling of being wanted and have approval.
Teresa did not seem to have a maternal feeling toward the kids even before she went on her murders of her own kids.
The fact that she was not a nice person and a terrible person was another reason for not having a boyfriend. Her nastiness came through. As they say, the ugliness inside someone usually will show through in the outside as well. To anyone who is able to observe the person independently.
I just LOVE your sincere delivery, when you aren't punning around;)
Congratulations on your 1 million + channel doctor 👨⚕️
Good early morning Dr. G! Shoutout from Chicago.
What’s up doc?? Love your videos ❤️
This case has been featured on a number of TV shows over the years including "Cold Case Files"! It's beyond sad that the youngest daughter Terry ended up dying at a young age anyways of a I believe heart attack. The shit she went through and she had to die young like that. Fucked up.
She should not have had children. Why would someone torture children like that. This is the most crazy thing I ever heard.
Didn't the neighbours report anything? There must've been dreadful noise coming from that apartment.
The jurors who aquited this woman should be jailed for life!! All this suffering could have been prevented absolutely disgusting!!!
Omg I can't believe Dr Grande did a video about Theresa Knorr!!! I had asked in the comment section on the video "Is Borderline Abuse real?" if he could do a video about Theresa Knorr!
Thank you Dr Grande for doing this!!! Loved your analysis on it!!! ❤️❤️❤️
This case honestly was like a horror movie come to life! Something that you'd only expect to see on CSI, Law and Order, Criminal Minds etc! ☹️☹️😰😰
I hate that Theresa's still alive while her daughters are all dead especially Terry! ☹️ Terry deserved to live a long happy life especially after getting justice for her sisters!
My mom was verbally and emotionally abusive and I can see tiny bits of Theresa in her...Though now that my mom has dementia so it's changed which makes it worse for me as now I'm stuck visiting sometimes someone who had moments where she was like Theresa Knorr but now I get a false image of love. 😔😔😔 It's been very traumatic experience!
Hopefully Susan, Sheila and Terry are at peace now! ❤️ And I hope Theresa *NEVER* gets parole!!! She deserves to be locked up forever after everything she's done!
Totally off topic, but would you consider creating a series of videos that deal with marriage? Could you cover what a healthy marriage looks like? What is emotional neglect? What a couple should do when they are off course? Any videos that cover what to do when marriage is hard would be great!!
Look up adult children of emotionally immature parents by Gibson; there's a lot on that.
I Remember driving back from Reno after dark with my Father and we were almost home in Alpine Meadows when we saw flames about a mile before Squaw. The flames were narrow and shot upward very tall burning what seemed to be a bonfire or something. I was telling my Dad "oh my got its going to start a forest fire" We stopped on the side of the road briefly and before I got out I remember my Dad ( a Vietnam Marine Vet.) staring back at the fire not saying anything for a while but soon he had seen the fire was on open ground and he obviously had a bad feeling ,then said "someone is out here burning something" that's all he said and we left. I was just thinking he knew best and did not think too much of it. We got home he called authorities to report the fire and that was it. Then I remember reading in the Tahoe paper a few days later that it was a woman's body found burned. I'll never forget the sick and spooky feeling that overwhelmed me.
I remember this dreadful case. And it brings to mind Frances Schreuder. I don't believe you have covered that case, hope you will☀
Dr. Grande's work ethic is one trait that can never be deflected.
My doctor says I have narcissistic personality disorder.
But that's impossible - As the smartest man alive I would have noticed.
😦
Pres. Trump, what are you doing here?!
Hi there Doc, good job as always. Have a great week.
Omg, what a terrifying life those children had.
Dr. Todd is always reminding me that I'm not as mentally ill as I think I am, relatively
I remember this case from
the series Cold Case Files.
The daughter Terry talked about how the sister who was shot, was placed on the sofa and Terry took care of her.
The second daughter who was
locked in the closet, Terry tried to help by giving her water with a straw and slipping her crackers and cookies.
Except for the murdering part
this woman is like my mother.
She beat us (me most of all) with a thick leather belt, wouldn't let us attend school and was very abusive verbally.
She would always say that if it wasn't for us she'd be a famous actress in Hollywood. Well, she actually did kill one person...her mother. My mommy dearest, got into a very loud and violent argument with a sister in law.
I was in the room at the time and so was my grandmother.
During the argument mom suddenly brandished a large butcher knife and threatened to kill her sister in law. My grandmother screamed and fainted, I was terrified myself and ran out of the house. My aunt ran out of house screaming that she was going to call the police. Shortly afterwards the paramedics arrived and my grandmother was taken to the hospital... she had a heart attack. The police though never arrived and mom was never charged or arrested.
One thing that did happen, because mom had caused my grandmother to have a heart attack she wasn't allowed (by the rest of the family) to visit her in the hospital or when she returned to her home. In fact I never saw my grandmother again. Four months later, we received a phone call telling us that grandmother had had another heart attack and died.
I will never forget mom's performance at her funeral.
She went around the chapel wailing in a loud voice, "Mama! Mama!" and grabbing hold of anyone who'd let her and sob hysterically. I sat in the back and watched her with some bemusement because I noticed
(I doubt anyone else did) that despite all the noise she made there were no tears. She died 15 years ago and believe me no one misses her. 😐
Thank you Dr. Grande. This might be the most awful case I’ve heard you discuss. It’s impossible to find a silver lining In this story of an unspeakably cruel and deranged person. My heart goes out to those children who were so monstrously abused by their own mother. Those innocent daughters of hers and all her children were catastrophically failed by the social services whose sole purpose is to protect children from abuse. The only possible good that can come from this historical litany of unimaginable crimes, is that it never be forgotten. I don’t know if a book or movie has been made out of these crimes, but it should be. Only so that that won’t be forgotten. It’s not a pleasant story whatsoever but someone needs to bring this history to light. I mean on a national level so that some sort of foundation or movement is born to do everything possible to prevent children from being subjected to kind of suffering ever again.
I don’t know what else to say.. You’re a smart guy Dr. Grande if you start a foundation to promote the education and protection of abused children, you’ll have my donation of money and anything else I could volunteer to facilitate such an enterprise.
Dr Grande could make a grocery list sound soothing.
Oh I requested this one! Thanks for the analysis on this case Dr. Grande! 😊
Children tortured right under the noses of the authorities. A lot of people should be held accountable. What a horrific way to live and die.