Mathews Phase 4 review and speed test!!.
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- Опубліковано 4 гру 2022
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I completely agree I am still using the V31 And I was really hoping to upgrade to the new hunting bow this year but Without going into their stabilizer system I feel like it's almost pointless and there's no way in hell I'm spending $700 on stabilizers
The bridge lock stabilizer is them fixing a problem that was never a problem. I’m not even sure what the point of it is.
@Ryan Macke I honestly like the design it's nice not having to take your stabilizers off every time you put it in your case you can just slide it in. But the price of the stabilizers is just ridiculous. I have almost $250 into my front and backbar shrewd vantage stabilizers and another 150 for the shrewd back bar mount now and I thought that was crazy expensive.
when i watched this i started laughing. I just bought a phase 4 out of your guys proshop. recognized it immediately. you guys took excellent care of me and I did not feel rushed whatsoever to shoot all the flagships and eliminate decisions as i went. You guys got a customer for as long as i live in the area, much appreciated. loving the phase 4 as well
tons of respect for this honest review. Refreshing to see a dealer be honest on pros and cons of what they are selling.
I always look forward to these reviews the most out of all the UA-cam reviews.
I think this release signifies that next year is going to be the change up every one but me has been waiting for.
Appreciate the honesty in the review. The used market for V3X’s is red hot now.
Glad to see you're back!
I appreciate your honesty! I think everyone does and am glad to see a UA-cam video finally say what all of us are thinking instead of just “great stuff from Mathew’s. Truly revolutionary” your thoughts are exactly ours. We were hoping for some truly different technology. Didn’t quiet deliver, but that doesn’t mean it’s not good bow. Most of the industry makes the same bow over and over again and changes an inch here an inch there on the riser and puts a different name on it. Nice bow. Nice stabilizers. $700 nice? I don’t think so. I’m sure people will buy the bow. Stabilizers not so sure on.
Another excellent review, bro. Your honesty is why I always check your reviews first. Keep it up. I just shot a decent Texas 10 point with the Vertix you setup for me a few years ago. Shot it on Blake’s Dads new property here.
Nice man! Thanks for the kind words!
After 27 years of shooting 1 brand I thought it was time for change. I shot the demo and ordered the 29 but now I’m starting to second guess myself on this set up. Please run it through the ringer and test that rubber in the cold temperatures. Awesome review. I really appreciate how you always give your honest opinion. 🙌
I appreciate your honesty and not just a mathews fan boy pushing something people can't afford nor need.
Great review as always man
I am glad they made very little changes. I have the V3X 29 and nothing this year temps me too change.
Thanks for the honest review. It's crazy with inflation etc the cost for stabilizers would be so high. I guess that's high anytime, lol. I agree with not many changes. The elite was interesting with Leitoff adjustable by 1% increments, but that's it. Hey, point of suggestion for your channel. Share your hunts with folks. I know you mentioned Wyoming this year, late blacktail, etc. A way to personalize the channel, or maybe I'm just curious and enjoy hearing stories from content providers. Most likely the latter, lol. Anyway, it's a great channel, and I appreciate your honest reviews. You definitely don't see that often.
I swapped from an 80 lb PSE XF33 to the Phase 4 33... Night and day difference in feel and aim and engineering, while only sacrificing 5 lbs of draw weight. XF33 at 80 lbs and 31" shot 540 grain arrows 296... the 75 lb at 31" Phase 4 shot 545 grain arrows at 287... its a no brainer. I chuckle every shot at how quiet and gentle this bow shoots. Massive upgrade over PSE
I bought a V3X 33 last year (and just finally finished building it out) and I love it... Shot the Phase 4 33 at my local shop (here in the PNW) and while it was quieter for sure I don't think it's enough to even begin to think of buying one and swapping over all my parts. I'm using the HHA RYZ with the dovetail in the Bridge-Lok system, I've got the detachable Low-Pro quiver and I'm running Shrewd 8* down and their rear bar mounts. To _ME_ Bridge-Lok and the Low-Pro quivers are the most advantageous things Mathews has done in a while. I hunt the PNW mainly in Coastal OR and all over Idaho and some in WA State, I could see building a V3X 29 or even a Phase 4 29 next year just for it's compact size in some of the terrain I find myself in but for the price I don't think I;d ever run their Bridge-Lok stabs.
Great take man, thank you. Was on the fence between this and a new prime. I’m goin with the prime. Can’t justify stabilizer price and don’t wanna be the ginnea pig on the new limb system.
Elite and bowtech have the ultimate adjustability. Rather have that than 8 limbs. If Mathews cam out with mods that have 1 inch adjustments and lo adjustments that would have been awesome.
Was hoping for better non-press user adjustability like elite & bowtech. I love my 33 for hunting, but the adjustability of my Elite target bow is so nice for tinkering
I’ve been a Mathews shooter for 20 years. Switched to the Elite Era this year.
You are the first person to mention the difference between this bow and the V3. I own both and I can tell the difference.
Scammer alert!!
I can’t see the new stabilization being more Rock solid then a screw in. Thanks for your review.
Don't lose your stride buddy you do a good job
I'll be staying with my V3X.. nice review
Heck yeah. I upgraded from a Triax and i can definately feel the difference, i love this thing.
I had one of those Mongolian Triax'. My VXR 31.5 was a ridiculous step up already ahha
Excellent review. You touched on all my concerns about the Phase 4. 💯 agree that the $700 stabilizer system is going to hurt Matthews. I’m getting a new bow this season and on the fence on a few. I would love to hear what you have to say about the new Elite Omnia.
I don’t see how it can hurt Mathews. It’s not like they are forcing you to use those specific stabilizers. They still have all the normal mounting spots for your other stabilizers. It just gives you the option to shoot them if you have the money. (I still think the new stabilizers are way overpriced)
It's not $700. I mean if you were to buy every one then yes, but why would you do that
I appreciate all your videos, especially the tuning ones. I currently shoot a v3x 33 and won’t be buying a Phase 4. The new stabilizers are cool but cost 3 times what they should. It’s $10 worth of aluminum and some rubber. A Mach 34 or the new Elite carbon will be in my near future.
I agree about the industry plateau! I've still got my Evoke 31 and 35 (SE) and haven't seen the need to upgrade to anything else. Even the Omen, I shot it and it's only like 5-6fps faster than my Evoke 31 with my 525gr arrow, both at the same weight and letoff, and the e/S2 cams have like zero valley and try to rip the arrow away from you when you back off the wall, so no thanks!
Revolutionary to shareholders and Mathew’s bank account:)
This is a bow I like but will wait and see how it holds up before buying one.
Bowtech did something new as well as elite. Both made a carbon for the first time. Bowtech dropped a cam with adjustable timing on the reckoning gen2.
Yeah I shot the bowtech carbon one, they should I invent that piece of crap.
I appreciate that you waited to make your content until you got your LH. As a lefty, it’s impossible to try these out in a shop. No one wants to bring in LHs for demo.
Truth!! Every body asks me did u demo it!! Lol hard to demo when they are all right hand.. sucks man!
I feel like Mathews has forgotten about the blue color guy. There is no justifying the price for the bow and accessories
I think Bowtech has done about all you can do. Maybe put color in the aluminum? Prehistoric man had a stick something to use as a string and another stick. Amazing really
im suprised that they didnt do different angles for the stabilizer. I hold best with a 10 degree down angle on my front bar, i like how my bow floats in that setup. Wonder if they are going to make an adapter with a down angle for their bars.
I am looking to purchase a new bow this year. I was considering a new Matthews but now that it's out I am reconsidering what bow I'd like to buy. The Matthews V3X is still interesting to me but having looked into most 2023 flagship bows the Elite Omnia has really stood out. Curious if you have anything to share about that bow?
I dont give a crap what mathews says. That rubber will eventually crack. For longevity the v3x will always be their best bow in the last 5yrs.
A lot of people expecting this to be worth upgrading from last years, I can’t think of any consumer market where it’s worth upgrading every year. These people must be getting new cars and phones all the time
I like my v3x 29. I am not upgrading. I like running custom stabilizers. Conquest control freak pro
Great review brother! Are you going to be shooting the Supra RTX 37 for indoor? Im left handed as well and I'm having an issue with the heavy feedback of the Supra. I bought a set of front and rear DOINKER elite estremo bars and it took out alot of the shock. Did you find this to be the case with your Supra RTX 37?? Lyle
A cam (Prime) requires an engineering development. A hole in the riser...I don't think so. And the same goes for PSE and Hoyt. The good thing is I probably will find a V3x 33 at a good price now.
Have you seen Darton this year? I’d love to see you do a Prelude 32 or a Veracity 35!!
I believe he reviews only what they sell at that store
I find it hard to upgrade my V3 31 to a v3x or even the phase 4, only thing I would gain going to v3x is bridge lock site, and the phase 4 stabilizer system for 700 dollars is a no go... maybe next year they'll make it worth while..
The way Matthew's has priced there stabilizers. Wouldn't be surprised, that the ounce weights would be at least $1,700. Ounce the same as gold!!
It’s minus 30 up here in Alberta right now…yep, really wondering about longevity of the rubber.
I’ve never heard you sound so disappointed on a new release.
Its still a Mathews! Best bow someone can shoot.
I'm thinking the next big thing is going to be titanium Cams and Risers
I would have to believe that Mathews has done extensive testing in regards to the rubber dampening utilizing extremes temperature changes.
I would believe that just having the mathews brand is going to have enough knuckleheads buying them
Yes, Mathews has one of the most extensive R&D processes of all the manufacturers, and they are well aware how cold the mountains and woods can be during hunting. Like I said I’m sure it’s not going to be an issue, but that’s been everyone’s question/hang up. Personally I’m more curious as to how they’ll hold up after a few thousand shots. Most people don’t shoot that much in a year, but there are those people out there shooting 500-1000 arrows a week.
I've heard the little clip on stabilizer weights are going to be pretty spendy about 15 to 20 apiece I can't remember which video I saw that on but that's what I remember
Hope the after market businesses help drop the price of those stabilizer arms.
Hope so! Just depends if Mathews patented the stabilizer specs
Coming from a VXR 31.5 and looking for a 33-34 ata. What would you recommend from 2022-2023?
It's definitely a awesome looking setup, but the stabilizer setup price is a bit of a joke for something that can only fit a Mathews bow, if it was interchangeable with other brands maybe... Nope still to expensive...😵💫
More Pullies!
That was my very first concern. the rubber piece and i emailed mathews before i made my purchase just to make sure if anything happen, it would be covered in the warranty and they sure enough emailed me and told me that its covered. I kept my email just in case just to have.
Haven’t seen a single issue and I’ve sold hundreds of them
@@InsideOutPrecision oo ive already got the 🏹. I was saying thats the first thing came to mind when i first seen it
@@CowboyOutdoors ohh got ya. Yeah that was my fear too.
For people who think that they have to the stabilizers for the new bow but you don’t have to have the Mathews stabilizers with the bow. If you really want a new bow and it be Mathews then let it that and you run your old sight and stabilizers.
Don't know who to ask due to me being new to archery; I hope somebody with more experience than me can shed some light on this matter. I have a handheld release (thumb button) whose head doesn´t rotate during draw but my hand does as well as the D-loop, does this motion or "twist" to the D-loop affect the arrow's trajectory, if so, can this be fixed?
The people who do it will tell you no, while those same people make videos on how much just a little face pressure can effect your string etc... myself-- the d loop is vertical on the string I want it to stay that way, so I don't rotate my hand halfway upside down.
Great review as usual! Just messaged you a question on Instagram. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
What keeps the rubber in the limbs from separating, is the rubber bonded to the limbs?
The limbs are screwed/bolted together with the rubber being in the middle.
I’d like you see you grain the bow out see if ibo is what they say
Can you do the new pse omen bow review
Why don't you use a 350g arrow at 70# and 30" draw wt. to see how bows compare to their stated speeds?
What thumb release are you using in this video?? Thnx great info.
The Ultra View Button
I’m trying to figure out why mine vibrates like crazy with my sight on it. Axcel bar with schrewed sight.
Well Elite did lot of things this year.
Do they still sell the V3X 33 in 2023? I'm not interested in the Phase 4 with the rubber between the limbs. Thank you.
If one knows the the specific elastomer in the limbs, the related thermal expansion is easy to determine.
English please! Haha jk, not sure anyone can get the blueprint from Mathews, but if you do, let me know!
I want to know how to determine the elastomer.
Bow hunters list of importance accuracy smooth draw the way it feels in hand the vibration you feel is the bow string hitting bow string stop and that’s where the noise come from
I'm wondering what you think is gonna happen to the rubber? What would weather matter? My truck tires don't seem to mind hot cold snow rain rocks mud trees
Your truck tires are also steel belted and over an inch thick. This is a 1/8” piece of rubber. Just look at other rubber dampener accessories on bows, they all break down over time. Lots of people are just concerned that it’s something that has potential to change the tune of the bow in extreme weather conditions
@@InsideOutPrecision yeah I can see that may be an issue but you'd hope they would have a replacement option in case of that. You can get replacement dampers for risers so you'd think you could get replacement limb dampers. Plus people don't keep bows long enough for them to break down
@@InsideOutPrecision btw I watch a fair amount of your videos and think you give good content. You and Chris Bee are in my subs because I like the side of archery talk that has to do with fine detail and becoming obsessively accurate when shooting bow
How long did they test for? Decades? Years? Days? That rubber would degrade with age more than shots right?
The 2008 Bowtech General got about as close as possible to not able to feel the shot.
Have you shot the Phase 4? Makes the General feel like a rifle
This years Mathews phase 4 is definitely a flop. You should review the image since it’s the only new bow Mathews introduced. Also, what about the Elite Carbon Era
We haven’t got the Era in stock yet, but I will when we do! As far as the image goes it’s literally a v3x 29 with thinner limbs that only let it peak at 50lbs with the 75lb mods on it
Mathews stabilizer price is a deal killer for me.
Yeah you don’t have to use their stabs though
I went with Bee Stinger
Is it true that Mathews bows run half inch longer than ones typically draw length?
Yeah they tend to run a little long
I'm positive I'll see yahoos at TAC running those ridiculously priced stabilizers.
Do you think elite made any changes?
Yeah it’s a different cam. And they made a carbon bow
The piece of aluminum May cost $20 I can buy a Chuck S7 tool steel or A2 tool steel for a hundred bucks that's twice that size and Link and that's one of the hardest deals in the world I just think they out price their self and I think it's really high up because for the last couple years I have shot every bow testing them and instead of the v333 or vx33 whatever the hell it was I ended up with the PSE ebl 34 and instead this year I'm shooting the BowTech ss34 I just don't like that you dumped into the valley
I'll wait until Mathews comes around with rotating mod draw length adjustment. Until then, Mathews can add all of the incremental improvements they want.
Would new limbs fit on V3X?
No they’re wider
Mathews should use a different cam for the longer axle bows and get away from that terrible designed cam they made to increase string angle for longer draw guys on their 28 inch axle bows. On a 33 or 34 axle, there's no need to increase string angle, so just make a smoother cam that is still fast or faster.
Take off the bow string stop and see if it makes noise
Elite?
I think Mathews makes a great bow. However, I do not like the direction of the company. They have essentially released the Vertix 5 with proprietary accessories at a cost of 3 times or more.
Hello PSE….. new Mach 34 for me.
The 7th gen halon…
It’s basically the same boat for the last three years don’t get me wrong I like it but it would be a hard sell if they had the past two years bow also I don’t know anybody willing to spend $250 on a stabilizer unless they just got it like that in today’s economy that’s crazy.
I have a V3X fully loaded and shot it against the P4. There was ZERO difference in vibe or sound. Even the tech's at the shop could not hear a difference. Its not an upgrade from any V series bow unless you want to utilize the bridge lock systems with the sights and stabs. With that said it would be a huge upgrade from an older Mathews or different brand. For me it was a disappointment because like you I was looking for a new cam system. For me they addressed things no one has complaints about. The SW draw cycle not my favorite. The grip, one of the worst. The weight, it could use a diet. The SW draw cycle is the same. The grip same ole crap. The weight, well they change it. Its heavier than the V3X. For me it is a swing and a miss.
But what about Elite and their cam and letoff? Or Bowtech and the innovations they made to the cams... Just target bows. Bowtech shoul have included the tech on their flagship or the new carbon. And then Bowtech and Elites carbons.
Dude what about Elite.
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Just set it up upside down duhhh
But according to Archery talk hoyt and bow tech revolutionized the archery world this year😂😂😂😂😂😂
First like. Do I get a prize? 🤣
Yeah,you get the green wiener award!😮
I'll stick with v3x...Not impressed Mathew's...good job kalem
Can anyone actually think they didn’t test these limbs like 100k times. IMO- shoot it and if u like it BUY IT! I personally have used Elite bows for several years with ZERO issues of anything except wearing out threads. I don’t get all the hype on Mathew’s and Hoyt.
Butttttttt it's quiter and dedlier in your hands 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I also just seen today a v3x for $700 on Facebook
Not many changes I’m unphased
This Bow will kill mathews. Nobody wants a bow with rubber in the limbs. Money talks alot for mathews these days. very sad. Instead of invsting into a new cam system, like you said, they improve money income through stupid systems.
Dude I'm sorry but I think Mathews goes a little nuts with their prices.
Oh don’t apologize haha… they’re ridiculous
Elite is way above mathews now. The bows are better quality in every way and the price is right. Mathews has crossed the line with this stabilizer crap
The new Elite Line up is pretty awesome! We’re actually dropping Prime and bringing in Elite
@@InsideOutPrecision Awesome! Maybe I'm an elite fan boy now, but I think that they're about to be the new giant slayers. Don't get me wrong mathews, hoyt, bowtech, pse are all super great bows, but elite is getting serious
@@mikeguy9668 yeah they’ve always made great equipment, but dealers HATED dealing with the Total Outdoor Group ( owners of Elite, CBE, Scott, Winners Choice and like 3 other companies I can’t remember). Customer service was horrible and orders were screwed up more often than not. They did an overhaul in staffing last year so hopefully they figured it out, because they could be great.
@@InsideOutPrecision see I didn't know that. Hopefully they keep improving all around then
I’m not spending $700 or $800 on stabilizers. Mathews is smoking crack. It’s not a good innovation if the price difference is greater than the improvement over old technology.
You can still run normal bars
Mathews =
You need to change DL you need to pay for another mod
You need to change lettoff you need to pay for another mod
You need to shim you need to pay for top hats
And more and more.....smhhhh
Review is 😂
With my experience with Mathew’s stabilizers, I’d rather piss on an electric fence then buy any of them no matter the cost. They absolutely sucked. My V3 was quieter with less vibration when I took the stabilizer off.
my vxr 28 is just as quite as my v3x 29 now they are both more quite then my v3 31..
I have a v3 31, what makes your vxr and v3x quiter
@Heath Marcum nothing. They aren't. It's probably the way they're set up.