I think a lot of these Reddit users are former stans. It would explain why they know so much and are so obsessed. There’s a fine line between love and hate.
@@aila6814the vast majority of them probably are gaylors or they parasocially had her married off to Joe in their heads and lost their damn minds when those two broke up. 🤔
lots of country artists fake an accent in their music. Keith Urban is the biggest example of this. dude is Australian and sounds like he's from the deep south when he sings
I dont know why this video is in my feed. All i know is taylor swift cant sing for sht live. Most of her fans is young white women. She is indeed a strange vocalist with a cult like following that isnt about music
I don't think ALL Taylor Swift criticism is misogyny (and to think so is clown behaviour) but there's certainly a lot of casual misogyny displayed from her haters who claim to be progressives themselves. It shouldn't be this hard to call out a woman without resorting to slutshaming or bodyshamimg her. People on the internet make 'jokes' about k*lling her young fans (even the ones that aren't being asshats online), constantly discuss her body, whether she has 'sex appeal' or not, fault her for having many relationships, compare her with Elon, Trump and even H*tler, reduce her whole discography to only being about her boyfriends etc and these gets TONS of likes, mind you. Idgaf about stan wars, we shouldn't abandon our morals because of some celebrities who don't know us.
the killing jokes make me sick to my stomach. people will see a picture of young girls being happy and their first thought is "they deserve to die" ???? like omg seek help
@@Unknown-b4k9d I don't think it's wrong to just state she writes songs about her boyfriends. It's the way that when people talk about a song, all they discuss is the celeb gossip and drama surrounding the relationship instead of the artistry and the emotional themes or storytelling etc. It's just a very shallow way to engage with music imo. I'm also not very eloquent but what I'm trying to say is that people use "she only writes songs about her boyfriends" as an INSULT when like a lot of pop artists write primarily about their relationships and it's never a topic of concern.
Snark pages are just the flipside of parasocial relationships. That level of obsession can either make you fawn over someone, or know so much it fuels your hatred of them.
I’ve only ever been aware of snark subs existing to bring awareness to people being shown on the internet that are actively HURTING people. The first one I ever was on was a Dan Schneider forum in 2010, I’ve seen the 8 Passengers sub, Shane Dawson sub, Eugenia Cooney etc. The draw to these were always “these people are harming others/children/themselves and we can clearly see it, how is this being allowed? We need to talk about it”. I had no idea these existed for the sole purpose of just talking shit?!! About people who just “annoy” them? Taylor Swift dating a football player and selling collectors editions of her albums doesn’t feel “snark” worthy to me at all 😂
So true! I also fully believe a fair amount of these deranged haters, were once fans and they felt some perceived slight or betrayal from the person they have a parasocial relationship with. As a kpop stan, I have seen it happen and I think it speaks to how love/hate are so closely related in the intense emotions and ownership people feel over a stranger.
Dawg you should’ve seen it when it was ran by the original moderator. The original dude who started it is literally so unhinged. Got banned and now literally hate tweets every day all day about Taylor swift.
Literally! I just made a comment about this before I saw your comment. The subreddit was built on unhinged, insane energy. It’s not surprising that this sub has turned into a dumpster fire, it was literally built on it.
Oh, definitely this. I'll watch a history video about the GD Wars of the Roses and if I scroll down far enough, there's _somebody_ comparing her to another villainized woman.
There are valid reasons to not like Taylor Swift, but it's hard to deny that misogyny plays a role in why many people feel so strongly about her compared to other celebs who have the same problems. Is there anyone else people are this unhinged about???
YES, thank you!! There are valid reasons to criticize Taylor Swift (her extensive use of private jets is a big one), but you can’t look me in the eye and say that misogyny ISN’T a big factor here. I really don’t see male celebrities being scrutinized and torn down the way Taylor and other female celebrities are. And unfortunately, women are often the ones leading the charge. Internalized misogyny sucks.
When the sub was in its infancy and not as insane, I made a comment about how inappropriate it was to comment calling her body sickly and disgusting or saying she looked so much better when she was thinner in reference to a period in her life in which she had an eating disorder. My comment got removed and I got a warning not to participate in fan behavior or I’d be banned. Haven’t checked that sub since 😂
Got in trouble on this site for saying it’s not okay or normal to make jokes and excuses of bad behavior because Kanye once said “I have autism from my car crash”. They said I was defending Taylor… No, you swine, I was calling out your ableism you are excusing as a “joke”. Clearly you cant get autism from car crashes, but you shouldn’t perpetuate that misinformation either. Haven’t returned either.
I used to follow that subreddit too when it first began. It got too gross, and toxic. It used to actually be constructive criticism, but now it's too much hate. I don't like talking about her body or shitting on her for no reason. It used to be about her exploiting her fans for money with the many similar variants, private jet usage, consistently blocking other artists on the US and UK Billboard charts, etc. It literally is a shell of itself at this point.
I think the internet would be a much happier place if people just ignored the things that made them mad instead of dedicating an entire subreddit to complain about it all day 💀
@@MegaVega2007 criticism is only valid if it addresses issues that needs fixing. there's a difference between criticizing Taylor's business conducts and literally just jumping at any opportunity to say mean things like middle school mean girls and spreading false rumors. if you've been to this sub you'd know which category they belong in.
Maybe I’m biased, but using John Mayer as a reason for jealousy is gross considering he was 32 and she was 19. She made it clear in Would’ve Could’ve Should’ve she felt taken advantage of
They really stan John Mayer over there because he made some mean tweets about Taylor and thus their hero. Completely ignoring all his misogynistic behaviour over the years, to myriad of women.
@Blip0000 I actually haven't seen anyone stanning JM at all. If anything the snark sub is actually against JM and Jake. Former fans so they don't stan him at all.
A 30 year old man dating a barely legal teenage girl is literally grooming. It’s weird that nobody talks about that, Taylor Swift is a flawed person but nobody deserves to go through what he did to her
I’m always baffled how no one can criticize Taylor Swift correctly Like the woman is probably the easiest low hanging fruit to critique and criticize yet every time her name leaves someone’s mouth there’s always some weird tacked on misogyny at the end about how she dates too much or isn’t pretty or can’t actually sing etc. etc. etc. Just call her a wealth hoarding billionaire people!!
yes dude, it’s so infuriating because oh my god the point is so close that i know you can taste it, but you actually don’t have morals, you just hate women!!!
It is weird how people are so fixated and judgmental on her dating life. Katy Perry has also dated in her life and written songs about them. Why does taylor get so much sh1t for doing something as normal as dating?! I’m just concerned about the private jet trips this relationship has already cost our atmosphere 🙁
@@GrungeGalacticaAnd she got and gets hate for it too, sadly. Even Stevie Nicks back in the day got hate for DARING to reference her ex. Even though he wrote a song about the relationship, too.😂
Gaylor Swift are unhinged 😭 like I’m pan and I like Taylor’s music and some of the songs I view through a queer lense like I Look Through People’s Window, Ivy or Cowboy Like Me… but Taylor her self is 100% straight. Yet people there thinks she’s dating Karlie Kloss because a very pixelated pic of them looked like they were kissing or something. Like please listen to actual lesbian popstars like Boygenuis or Hayley Kiyoko or MUNA or Chappell Roan or someone
@@ravingraven694people who believe that taylor is secretly a lesbian, and she's trying to tell us all through coded messages in her songs, despite her loud public affirmations that she is a straight ally
@@ravingraven694 Gaylors as they are called are usually queer fans of taylor swift who think taylor swift is secretly gay but cant come out so she hides the truth in coded messages in her songs. it gets very obsessive, and is borderline deranged at times. It reminds me at times of Q drop threads on twitter for maga conspiracy theorists.
I mean, it was already clear that it was full of obsessed haters who will hang on to anything to justify their hate, even if that means hiding under progressive personas when they're way worse, but like they didn't have to confirm it in such an mask-off way
@@cliffwill27 Well, they're implying that she's impossible to love. And it's only because they believe Travis may have a traumatic brain injury, that it's impossible to conceive she may be loved otherwise. Borderline ableism is exactly where I'd put that sentiment.
@@laienmalowa4371 yeah that’s a wild thing to imply but I still think ableism is a slight stretch. Like if they were saying Travis was less than for his CTE I think that would be ableism right? Treating someone as less than because of their disability?
As a Taylor fan, there are valid reasons to criticize her just as there are valid reasons to criticize any celebrity. My issue is when people hold her to one standard but don’t keep the same energy for others. They’re up in arms about her jet usage but don’t say a word about other celebrities who also use private jets a ton (especially ones who use their jet more than her!). NO ONE should be a billionaire but again, they don’t have this same energy for other billionaire pop stars. Selena Gomez and Rihanna are also billionaires but it’s like Taylor is the only one they care about. And don’t get me started on the misogyny and how they would NEVER hold men to the same standard. It’s almost as if half of these people don’t actually care that much about said issues, they just don’t like Taylor and feel the need to nitpick every single thing they can find. And if Taylor is on their mind this much, then they too are in a parasocial relationship haha. Some Taylor haters are literally more obsessed with her than swifties and I suggest they look inward.
Its bcuz TS doesnt give a F about any of you,she is a manufactured pop business. She doesnt give two Fcks about the enviroment when she fly's private jets all over. Or when a fans dies at her concert. She is in the elite class and they will use and abuse the system to the detriment of society. Its sad that so many of her cult like followers cant see through it all.
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 Had to look this up because I had never heard about the director’s allegations but that’s fair! This was a big cast with Margo Robbie, Anya Taylor Joy, Christian Bale, etc. so as long as you take just as much issue with them being in the movie as well, then I think it’s a fair criticism for sure. She’s not above reproach. I was only referring to people who are hypercritical of her and pick apart everything she does but don’t care about others who do the same thing (not saying this is you at all).
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 yes and she rightfully got burned for that but yet again people were silent about Margot Robbie working with him, she's still a queen?? or all the beloved male actors who were stacked in that movie. Why Taylor alone is the problem here.
I think it’s a snark response to her letter regarding the Vienna cancellations. Pretty sure Taylor Swift used a similar phrase. I hate that I know that 🫠🥲
@@ranga1catwhy do you hate that and how’s that a bad thing to know she said that about when finally being able to safely talk about her cancelled shows
@@HsioxIdixii because I’m not generally one to get deeply involved with celebrities. So when I say I hate that I know that it’s because despite my best efforts to remain out of the loop I’m so bombarded by celebrity culture that there is no avoiding it entirely. It’s not a dig at Taylor swift necessarily. Just any celebrity that the media shoves in our faces.
@@OhNoTheFace okay? its a hobby of mine to love music, esp if that music makes me feel good and calms me (taylor for me), it makes me happy, hating someone on the other hand being a personality trait is weird. if you hate them so much why cant you stop talking abt them
@@yomnaislam948 They didn’t say loving music - they said loving TAYLOR. That’s why the word “Stan” exists. Some people make one artist their whole personality. Seems like you identified with that and got hurt - a hit dog hollers.
@@yomnaislam948also the Colleen ballinger snark page is what helped the allegations against her to come out. Some people hate on popular figures because they are known to be unethical / abusive / etc.
Glad you touched on this. Parasocial hate is real too, and not often discussed. Snark reddits very rarely stay rational, and it’s kinda obnoxious because it WOULD be nice to have outlets for that kind of discussion that didn’t devolve into “She’s clearly anorexic and he is brain damaged”
Exactly. That's the biggest flaw of snark pages. But when you bring up these valid points, they'll grasp at as many brittle straws they can in order to justify what is clearly an unhealthy obsession/hatred for that specific media personality.
“These people have broken up with Taylor swift but they’re not over her” is the most accurate description I’ve ever heard!! You don’t have to be a swiftie for very long to realise swifties are her biggest haters, just listen to But Daddy I Love Him!
I don’t post on the subreddit, but this one is like a guilty pleasure of mine I checkout about once a week. Something about reading irrational posts is beyond entertaining
My guilty pleasure on the internet is going in the comment section of anti woke videos on UA-cam and trolling everyone who falls for it. I can't help it, it's too entertaining. (To my defense I give everyone a chance for a meaningful discussion and only troll those who are rude) Edit: I will take the advice seriously and continue my bad habit in the comment section of woke videos instead.
@@bubblebaby0 of course they are. For them to actually understand what D’angelo is saying, they would have to have self awareness. Those people have none.
@@kelly1453I’m not a true Taylor snarker but it does make me a bit irritated to see people cover that sub and also miss the scores of very valid posts on there that I don’t see people making elsewhere. That was the first place I saw on the internet that routinely vocalized the amount of racism Kayla Nicole is facing from T Swift fans for being black and having the audacity to be Travis Kelce’s ex. It makes me disappointed in D’Angelo that he can pontificate on a white woman billionaire’s experience of misogyny, when a lot of Taylor’s actions have been nothing but inaction and silence when WOC are abused on her account. Idk. There are many valid critiques.
@@Neomie92 I am black. I am on black Twitter. You say that swifties have been attacking Kayla, and I agree some of them are insane and that is out of order. I’ve also seen a lot of Kayla fans attacking and bodyshaming Taylor for months. Every other week, there is a viral tweet about Travis downgrading to Taylor. I went to Kayla’s comments after her podcast episode and almost all the comments were insulting Taylor’s body and looks in comparison to Kayla. No one seems to care about this. Why? Again, it seems that many snarkers are only interested in the things that Taylor and Taylor adjacents (Travis, swifties etc) are doing, but no interest in calling out literally anything else. This makes a lot of their criticisms (some very valid in a vacuum, some completely false and based on rumours and opinions) come off as hypocritical and obsessive.
Even the snarkers themselves don't understand why they're on that sub. 😂 Mentally healthy people who have control of their lives can easily set boundaries to avoid someone they find unpleasant. These people are the opposite.
I listen to Taylor quite a bit. I’ve bought merch, I own the albums on vinyl. These people are so much more obsessed with her than me and any other fan I know irl. Like parasocial relationships are always cringe but parasocially hating someone is weird on a whole other level.
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FR. Keeping up with someone because you like their music? Okay. But being this level of obsessed while hating her? I couldn't imagine spending time & effort on a celebrity I don't like. Seriously how do you not like someone and think "hey, let's look up what they are doing. Let's search for a place with other people who hate this person. Let's write a whole rant about this person." They could do literally anything else with their time, doing a hobby, listening to their fave artists, go out for a walk, watch a TV series, ect. ect., and they do THIS?
You are allowed to compliment her. People do it all the time on the sub, you clearly don't actually spend any time there. It's okay to say nice things with nuance. I have personally defended her on that sub and been upvoted. The fan behavior rule only happened because they were being brigaded by her deranged fans constantly. The only reason they do that is because the Swifties brigade the sub constantly and derail conversation. You couldn't even critique her on the sub at first without getting dozens of comments from people who post on the main Taylor fan subs infantilizing her and defending her objectively bad behaviors. They had to reign in the brigading somehow.
@@kyrus4989 "It's okay to say nice things with nuance" And are they requiring people to also say the mean things "with nuance?" Because there certainly seems to be a lot of unfettered vitriol coming out from the sub reddit.
i accidentally found this subreddit a little while ago and i couldnt believe people actually cared that much about some random ass relationship that doesnt affect them in the slightest
@valolafson6035 majority of the people on there used to be fans, they've just caught on to the bs. they used to care until they saw right through her lmfao
@valolafson6035 A lot of people just want a place to rant without the swiftie fan base going crazy on them for disliking something about her. a lot of the people on there still listen to her music. They just want a place to talk about other issues without being harassed.
I keep getting recommended this subreddit and because I clicked once out of curiosity. And even though I don’t want to read more I keep reading it cause my gremlin side wants to see the unhinge
Same same same. The level of insanity, especially before the mods sweep in to keep the whole thing from being banned, is sooo funny. It’s better than reading a flat-earther forum.
On the variants: you can listen to every song she's released on Spotify without buying a single album. Acoustic versions aren't always on there but they are on UA-cam. If people don't want to buy them, they don't have to.
It's the way she pre-sold the album four different times with "bonus tracks" to not only release said bonus tracks for free on release but eventually put them all on one vinyl anyway for me. That's where I'm on the side of the album being a bit of a shameless money grab.
I always find it funny that Taylor haters never miss an opportunity to bring her up. I see so many comments from haters under posts that have nothing to do with her, it's crazy. I actually do think they're obsessed.
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No literally. That one person saying they don't care at all about her yet they are in a subreddit dedicated to her that I as a Swiftie didn't even know about in this video. In general I didn't even know many of the things they were talking about. It *is* obsession.
real!! it’s so annoying because even as a fan (let me be clear, a fan and not a stan 😭) i don’t wanna see her name everywhere all the time and it’s usually haters who are constantly bringing it up!
No seriously, her name wont be even mentioned and they will somehow bring her up then complain how she is everwhere. Like if you don’t want to see her name don’t even mention her!
@poppyspoping3979 For real. I saw a post about Bridgit Mendler the other day and some of the comments were "Taylor Swift could never" and "Way better than Taylor Swift" etc.
Snarkers are almost ALWAYS fallen fans. Hence why they know the deep lore. Then the person does something they dont like or agree with so then feel betrayed and then get mad and wish for their downfall etc.
This summer I accompanied a friend to a Swifty event and honestly they are a little unhinged but nobody really cared that I didn't like her very much. They didn't go out of their way to make me feel welcome (why should they, they were there to meet each other) but also didn't freak out. On the other hand most T.Swift haters I've met were absolutely unhinged. Criticising basically everything from the fact that she has child fans to her lipstick, but rarely focusing on stuff that matters. I think both to be an ultra fan and a hater you have to be a little divorced from reality, but the haters are on a different level.
That's r/tinder for me, I've never even used Tinder and I haven't been single for 8 years but they recommend stuff off that sub all the time and it's addictively unhinged. But it's a cesspool of incels so I do end up backing away for my mental health lol I follow a lot of snark subs but never saw this one, it's waaaaay too specific for me. I like stuff like fundie snark. Targeting a specific couple is hatefully ick
@@jokatal 😭😭 true at first I was intrigued but I haven’t even clicked on a post for months once I noticed it was popping up CONSTANTLY but even just today I saw posts from it 😭
I feel like the internet has lost the ability to dislike media without harasing the fan base who finds joy and comfort in the media. people are almost treating it as a moral requirement now to go on a crusade against fanbases whos source media you disagree with, which is just completely unhinged and unproductive. especially if you had moral or social justice concerns about the source media, harrasing stans isnt going to fix the world, it just serves to make you feel like some sort of unpopular opinion martyr.
Right!! I agree, I think part of it is that people don't know how to not like a popular thing without reason, and need to provide moral reasons, and because she isn't doing anything unnecessarily cruel (esp compared to a lot of men in that industry) they need to spin a narrative that they don't like her because she's a bad person
@@ilurvparamore no i swear i didnt even know abt the 'disneyland rumor' thing or much of the stuff on her and most of my tiktok fyp is taylor and ive been a fan for years.
@@MegaVega2007you're as celeb obsessed as those stan accounts please dedicate your time to critique politicians and billionaires like Elon Musk who literally have a lot of control of people's lives and opinions
I don't like Taylor, but yeah the subreddit is overly hateful. I think there are PLENTY valid criticisms that I AGREE WITH, but it's sort of sad that they get lost in all of the hatred they have for her.
i’m neutral on taylor, i really like some of her songs, ‘haunted’ and some of her older albums are some of my faves, they make me so nostalgic, but as someone who is on her actual subreddit and goes there time to time - i’ve noticed that many of her fans are actually very levelheaded and are very quick to critique her when she does something a lot of people would disagree with. obviously, she has *loud* unhinged fans who think she can do no wrong (as does almost every artist) but majority of them seem super chill? i don’t really care for her personal life, i’ll never be able to find a billionaire relatable in the slightest but i greatly appreciate her bigger moves when it comes to lifting literal voting registrations by thousands solely due to her speaking out. i just cannot fathom wasting so much of your energy on a single person, i can’t justify it either and so much of this comes from misogyny and hating an artist that so many young women identify themselves with, it’s ridiculous
Preach. I wonder if part of “the decline of internet discourse” is having a new wave of such young fans - the emotional sophistication of a twelve year old is going to be different from a 22, 32, 42 year old, but everyone is all mixed in there together on these Reddit pages which came make nuanced criticism hard sometimes. But I think most people are normal and the crazies are more vocal (therefore overrepresented), and I don’t get the need to be so emotionally charged about her. When I’m liking her music she’s on my feed, when I’m paying attention to other artists she doesn’t show up as much. People really don’t get how feeding an algorithm works - rage or love is all the same when the metric only measures attention and engagement. To an extent they’re doing it to themselves
This sub is easily more unhinged than the actual Swifties. I got banned I'm pretty sure for saying some people in the sub are more obsessed than the average Taylor Swift fan.
@@Jess-y7cIt would be against freedom of speech, which is under threat because of fans who are obsessed with someone who won't give a rat's a$$ about you, and offended by anything.
@berrie7098 her goal has been for a long time for artists to be paid better, she's used the pressure she could it's not her fault spotify and apple aren't paying artists enough.
I actually think snark subreddit and its users are WEIRD. It’s not normal to hold so much hatred for a stranger that you spend time out of your day writing in forums like some unhinged creep plotting their enemies demise. I don’t like Taylor but I cannot imagine caring enough to go talk shit in a subreddit. Embarrassing 😬
The most unhinged post on that subreddit was one where a person was melting down that they can’t enjoy social media because their entire feed is Taylor. Bruh the algorithm shows you what you keep watching. You can’t stop yourself, this isn’t a universal problem that everyone deals with.
Those snarkers are funny because they accuse her of having no self awareness, and yet that is their entire problem. They mask their obsession with her as ‘criticism’ to appear morally superior to deranged swifties, but the truth is they are the same. At least, a lot of swifties are aware that they are unhinged and parasocial. It’s also hilarious how they criticise every single aspect of Taylor’s life, but cannot accept criticism of their own odd behaviour. In a few years, a lot of them will look back on this behaviour with a lot of shame, because it really is weird.
IMO they are worse than “deranged Swifties”. At least the parasocial Swifties are exerting their energy to something they love and exude positive energy. They make art and crafts (even if most is shitty) and support local businesses. These obsessed haters do nothing but spew hate.
I’ve actually been waiting for this one. That sub is WILD. Edit to add: Obvs it’s okay to dislike someone’s music etc, but bullying/harassment is not okay!
Not just that, the rape talk in their comments. Pretty clear what kinda person wants to exert personal time and effort stalking a random liberal female celeb so much they spend time speaking in a sub about it. Loser shit. Like, even if you arent the rapey one in the thread, look at all the comments AROUND yours.
@@ScaryRyaihate to break it to you but there are definitely people who don’t like him (I’m not saying I do I’m just saying if someone exists someone dislikes them)
You mean like how Taylor Swift fans bully and harrass people online? The mods there are very clear they do not condone brigading or bullying. The mods for r/taylorswift should do the same. I don't post on either sub, but this double standard is ridiculous.
this subreddit is so unhinged i made a post being like “sometimes yall (r/taylorandtravis) support bad people (like eminem and scooter braun) just because they shade taylor swift” and it got removed for being ‘pro-taylor’
@@stevendemayo3631 he said the f slur and fantasized about k*lling his ex wife on songs many times. he also accused megan thee stallion of lying about being sh*t by tory lanez. he is not a good person.
Those people can’t seem to grasp that being obsessed with hating someone and spending your energy and time doing that is often much worse and more toxic than the behaviour of the overly obsessed parasoical fan they claim to be opposed to.
Really, they're two sides of the same coin. She's an ultra-rich celebrity who doesn't know any of us exist, so it's unhealthy to identify so much with her in either direction.
As a swiftie I think there is a lot of valid reasons to criticize her, like her CO2 emitions, wasteful merch and the Ticketmaster saga but when it gets to hating on her for your pleasure it gets kinda sad
How much of the Ticketmaster thing was her fault though? Genuinely asking, because I don't know much about that particular situation but I do know that Ticketmaster doesn't need any help in being problematic as hell.
@@findtheeyesno what ticketmaster did was not her fault in the slightest. She actually handled it extremely well and got praised. I don't know what op's talking about.
@@findtheeyesit wasn’t her fault at all. she was even one of the few artists who didn’t turn on dynamic pricing because she wanted them to be affordable. Ticketmaster gave codes to scalpers and that’s where the issue arose
I once checked out that sub out of curiosity and one of the members had 30 yrs old in their bio. I can't imagine someone my age being that invested in a celebrity. I don't even like Taylor Swift as a person or an artist, but I don't dedicate that much mental space to people I hate. 😂
The ex moderator of the subreddit is 40yrs old, his user got banned for hateful contents (?) and then moved to Twitter to continue hating on Taylor lol. He has like 600 posts about Taylor Swift. Insane.
Some people are literally addicted to hating others. It helps them feel self-righteous and like they're better than that person. Most of the time, hate is covering up feelings of jealousy, so they have to find a perceived flaw so they can tear that person down. Then they can say to themselves, "I'm the one who deserves to be successful/famous/rich, not them!" yay psychology
I agree with you, but her haters have a lot of valid points that aren’t just nitpicking. She’s a racist nepo baby that SA’ed a minor after stalking his family for months. She doesn’t deserve her success or any sort of platform.
Oh God. Literally name 3 more things that she did other than the jet things. That's literally the only point y'all bring up in the subreddit. The fact that you hate her everytime she's shown on TV (or anywhere) is clearly a mental illness that needs to be studied. Gtfo lmao
that particular post made my stomach turn because let's assume they are right, why did they not say "oh wow this woman was sexually abused by her dad" instead they went straight to " TS is a sl*t who slept with her dad".
Full disclosure, I was a member of this subreddit (no shame in being a hater), but I left after that whole debacle. Honestly kinda disappointed my comment wasn't mentioned in this video as I was the first to call it out as gross speculation lmao!
@@bevbevbev_ because to such people the women is always the problem. They're likely the same type of people who victim-blame a child for being r*ped with ''she seduced her dad'' excuse.
@@nnilkyway I think its really weird that you think there is no shame in being in hater. people like you are some of the problems we have in the world. To think calling yourself a hater of a random person you don't know is something to be proud of is weird. And in all honesty, it doesn't matter if you called them out for that comment, you are exactly like the people who support the comment in the first place. And this isn't about Taylor swift, anyone who think it is okay to be a proud hater of someone or something is a weirdo, there are 101 things to spend your energy on.
9:59 idk Swift's specifics, but I'm from the South, moved out of the South a while ago, and have dropped my accent completely in my day-to-day, but it still comes out when I talk to folks who have it or when I deliberately code-switch into it. So acting like that's ~un-possible~ and ~inauthentic~ smells like bullcrap to me. Not everyone can or does, but for some folks, accent shifts based on circumstance/code-switching come very naturally.
Swift was never from the south, which is why people make fun of it. She's from West Reading PA, Berks county. Basically not at all southern even a little. I'm from the southwest and if I start talking to someone to from the deep south I start accent matching unintentionally. And sometimes I do sound a little southern just on my own. But I'm at least from a place where we say y'all! Swift never had any type of southern accent.
@@turdleyurtleShe lived in Nashville from the age of 14. She may not have been born there but to say she has never been from there in any way just isn’t true. She spent her formative years there and yes, you pick up the accents of people around you.
@@turdleyurtleI’m from CA and I lived in North Dakota for 3 years as a teen and started picking up the accent some of the locals had. My ex moved from England as a kid and completely lost his accent before he even became a U.S. citizen. It happens.
I think hating on Taylor Swift because she’s a billionaire or a capitalist and not criticizing other musicians and actor (looking at you JayZ & Rihanna fans) is hypocritical.
The truly insane part is these people thinking they know _everything_ about this woman based _solely_ off of her public appearances. As a fellow person, I can say with 100% confidence that 95% of a person happens at home in private. Nobody but the people actually in her life know her, just like we don't know the strangers of our own locales just because we saw them in public somewhere doing something. Them and people like them are so out of touch.
I remember the earlier days on the subreddit. There were valid criticisms on her new album, overexposure, variants, jet use, etc… Now it seems like they are criticizing her over every little thing. And as you said, it’s ironic because they are acting like the people they hate (Swifties)
I agree with you on this. I stopped going to the sub as much because they criticize her for stupid shit like her having bad posture. I got upvoted for defending her posture so it's not like they don't allow people to say nice things as long as it's nuanced, but it does feel overly nitpicky at times.
I have been lurking on that subreddit for a few months, and I agree that there are some valid criticisms. Though, I think after Taylor's endorsement, that subreddit attracted a lot of toxic people which resulted in the constant bodyshaming, mocking of her open mouth and posture, and there were a lot of people got a bit too 'gleeful' with her being a possible alcoholic or doing ❄️, which is so disgusting to me. Even though she's a billionaire, addiction is still not something to joke around about. It's still so odd to think about how extreme people can be when talking about Taylor Swift, and I'm referring to both fans and haters. If I were to say "I like Taylor's music, but not her as a person," I feel like I would get hated on by both groups 😅
ugh, give me a BREAK from the stupid variants argument. Do people criticise Ariana Grande, Billie Eilish and CharliXCX for releasing even more variants than Taylor? Nope.
@noitsholly Taylor Swift has run pre-sales advertising bonus tracks to entice people and profit off their FOMO, only to release them for free at the album's release anyway. And she's done similar things after the release with demo tracks and now the entire collection is on one disc. It's not remotely the same as one album having aesthetic variations on the cover or vinyl. It's even worse when you consider that Taylor Swift is literally a billionaire who has no need to be capitalising off people like this.
It is really is you’re telling me you having nothing better to do with your time, with your energy, attention, LIFE than hate and have beef with a person YOU DONT KNOW and doesn’t know you and hasn’t doesn’t anything personally to you that’s some crazy shit 😂
If u are in any of the pop culture subs this one will keep getting recommended to you. I get this on recommended all the time along with r/popheadcirlcejerk too and those mf are unhinged but not as crazy as the r/TaylorandTravis, atleast they have legit reasons for not liking her.
@@zilazilazila i found this out last week but I think I’m gonna keep them unmuted cause those subs are some of the best unhinged content on Reddit 😂🤣. Especially when I’m at my desk and I’ve completed all my assignments. They make me feel better about myself and makes me a little happy to see ppl more messed up than myself.😭
I'm part of this reddit community. I joined because in the beginning, it was really a sub about people being tired of the over exposure of travis and taylor in the nfl. We were all collectively annoyed by the favoritism and the butt kissing the nfl did for taylor by showing her every time the chiefs made a play. And then the sub started to get more snarky and it wasnt just about football anymore but both of them in general. The sub even changed the theme to be a snark sub. The snarkiness went past, "oh there they are again" to Taylor is disgusting, Taylor should be banned, Taylor is sabotaging other pop girls careers. It started to remind me of the one scene in mean girls where Janice and Ian caught Cady having her house party and Cady lied to Janice about not going to her art show. She tells Cady, "You're not pretending anymore. You're just like them (the mean girls) cold, shiny, hard, plastic." That sub has become nothing but bullying and frivolous and childish complaining. They've become just as obsessed in hating her. I see the same complaints they post as the same ones I had in middle school, when i was immature and stupid, making fun of another girl. Its wild.
Yeah, it was a place to talk about the obvious PR, then they decided to take an already established sub into a complete TS snark sub. "We can’t change the name - we’ve asked.". Yeah so, stop piggybacking on the original sub and make your own
Idk y’all but the person who made the sub is actually fucking crazy. After he got permanently banned from Reddit for brigading he made a Twitter and the last I checked it was NOTHING but tweets hating Taylor and insinuating he thinks Taylor and Tree stalk his online presence for….hating Taylor. So maybe y’all didn’t look too hard lol
For context, that’s part of a quote from Taylor Swift when she addressed her Vienna concerts being cancelled due to planned terrorism attacks (linked to ISIS or at least planned by men/boys inspired by ISIS). She didn’t post anything about it until after her next set of shows (London) were completed and her team was back in the US. There are probably a 100+ good reasons to have waited to address until after the London shows, including not wanting to inspire copy cats. She worked closely with London police and literally hired new security with anti-terrorism expertise to get through those shows. I’ll also just note a new “fun fact” I learned - the only shows she’s cancelled were for a military coupe in Thailand, Covid shutdowns, and now the planned terrorist attacks. Anyways, this snark subreddit was full of people saying TS doesn’t care about her fans and tons of super highly upvoted posts (thousands of upvotes, I think they even pinned one) about how “I work in ___ and I can tell you there is no issue with Taylor immediately posting something like ‘heartbroken for my Vienna fans.’ This is just evidence she only cares about money.” They were extremely *unhinged* about it all, and that’s why part of their sub bio is making fun of TS’s “sometimes silence is showing restraint” quote which again.. is in reference to waiting to address planned terror attacks until after another 4 concerts were safely finished.
“Wine moms, vipers, and judgmental creeps” are in the lyrics to a Taylor Swift song on ttpd, kind of a deeper cut too. For people that hate her they sure do know her songs well
The issue I have with a lot of Taylor Swift haters is that some of them critique her to be ‘progressive’ like constantly mentioning her “white feminism” or lack of political agenda but don’t realise they stoop to the level they believe they’re above. It’s also sad to see a woman who identifies as a feminist discuss their dislike for Taylor without any nuance. Theres a certain irony in critiquing a woman for their feminism while also being hyper critical of women and holding them to a higher standard (which is a form of misogyny). You are no more of a feminist than Taylor if you expect her to carry the world on her shoulders and fix the worlds problems! As the Barbie movie so perfectly said “somehow we have to always be extraordinary, yet somewhere we’re always doing it wrong”
17:20 is wild because wine moms, vipers and judgemental creeps arent a random choice of words but actually lyrics from Taylor’s song But Daddy I Love Him. You need to know a lot about Taylor to quote these lyrics like that 😵💫
my swiftly neutral comments keep getting deleted 😢😢 so all i'm gonna say is that sub can delve into unhinged snarker territory sometimes. the golden globes and grammy megathreads are actually wild...armchair diagnosing a woman YOU DON'T KNOW with BPD and then claiming you're a 'neutral sub'...alright.
As a Swiftie, the world is far more critical of Taylor for her gender and relationships than anything that actually matters. It makes it so hard for people who genuinely critique her and her massive problems. It gets overshadowed by (internalized) misogyny and downright sexism
I don’t like Taylor at all. But it’s crazy on that sub…I made a post that advocated not commenting on her body, and I got shredded and the post was taken down 20 minutes later. I now feel shame about being on that subreddit at all. I really wish I had a neutral place to express my frustrations about billionaires, including Taylor, Elon, Zuckerberg…I have even had issues with Rihanna, and I still love her music. I feel like I can’t express my frustrations anywhere. 😮💨
Also, I used to be grumpy as a native Tennessean that she started with country even though she was from PA-and then I went to PA and realized how huge the country/folk influence is there. And then I was like, “oh. Actually, makes sense.”
I went to the subreddit to see if they talked about this video and omg the comments are as obsessive and ridiculous as the ones you read in your video 😭😭 they were so upset that they started to attack D'Angelo in the most innocuous things? Like his new catchphrases and his laid back commentary style???? they rlly hated the catchphrases though lol The most unhinge one has to be that person who made a live tweeting style of commentary while watching the video, like EDIT: this is so dumb. EDIT2: he doesn't know about blablabla up until EDIT 30 or smth it was as unhinge as we expected lol they need a pile of grass to roll on to
@@Shai_Shaib I was really baffled at how many upvotes each hateful comment had??? And they thought the weird things that D'Angelo pointed out they said it was very tamed?????????? Sir, how's that tame. They need therapy
I saw one comment that was mad that he says he's "talking in his room like youtube used to be" because he's actually in front of a green screen. Like buddy what do you think is behind the green screen.
I’ll never understand the passionate hate some people have for Taylor. They’re always poking at every little thing she does, and it makes me so sad. Not even just as a fan, but a human. Imagine you’re doing what you love, creating music, and someone is trying to force an evil narrative onto you. Saying everything you do and make is bad and that you don’t deserve anything good in your life. No matter how many good deeds she does, it only keeps getting worse. It’s ok to not like a song or any piece of artwork, but you do not choose what the artist draws inspiration from, or what the artist makes. you not liking it does not matter and does not give you the right to harass someone over something that’s not hurting anyone. Basic empathy is important. It’s so frustrating.
I really don't care about Taylor Swift, and I swear 99% of what I know about this woman has been against my will, and the reason for that is mainly because people find the dumbest reasons to attack this woman.
@@RockyJay13 I’m not sure how I was lying when the first thing I saw when I opened the subreddit was a post about D’Angelo, and everyone in the replies being mad at his video🤷♀️
I'm a swiftie and I'm not even mad at what they say. I just feel so sorry for them, I can't imagine being this obsessed over someone I dislike. It's embarrassing.
taylor inspires some of the most unnuanced discussions on the internet and it makes me feel insane: its either shes perfect or shes actually evil and never shes a human being
exactly. the loudest opinions are either batshit insane fans setting her up for hate by making the stupidest remarks, and insane haters taking the bait in desperation to name her as an absolute evil satan incarnate. both are so frustrating to watch like can we be normal?
I’m so glad you made this video because I’m a swiftie who stumbled onto this subreddit and I couldn’t tell if my bias was why I thought it was so terrible. It’s good to know that’s not it, and other people can see why it’s weird to obsess so much about someone you claim to not care about. Some stuff I read in there was just so mean for no reason. It’s like Taylor had wronged each and everyone one of those people personally. I wonder how many of them would be able to repeat what they wrote to her face or if that would make them realize just how unkind they’re being.
@@kaylac2374 not sure what the point of your comment is or if there’s any way we can have a discourse about an opinion we obviously complete disagree on. Sounds like you’d enjoy r/travisandtaylor. You’ll find lots of people who agree with you there.
@@kaylac2374how is… enjoying an artist’s music equally as bad as actively going out of your way to criticize her every move?? make that make sense please lol
I saw one of this snark posts comparing Travis to Chris watts while going through it and it genuinely freaked me out so bad, the snark pages I had joined about celebrities I did not favor i quickly got out of!!
I actually discovered it a few weeks ago and I was baffled like the level of obsession with a person could not be by a sane individual. I'm convinced those people are the ones who have a little sanctuary with her pictures and "I hate taylor swift" written all over it in red lol On a serious note, she does have people's extreme obsession to her through out her career, they just got braver because its not unhinged to hate on her anymore.
I think when people find that the thing that brought them joy, that they invested in and thought about often, starts to change into something they don’t like they have to grieve it. And expressing that grief, which you have to do somehow in order to move on, can get messy when they don’t understand where all this anger and disappointment is coming from. To them it just looks like the rose tint in their glass got switched with a weird shade of green. Of course that’s not an excuse to be so awful. They keep feeding into the hate instead of moving onto the next step in the process. They don’t know that they can take a step back from it and ask themselves why any of this matters and why they feel the need to hate so violently. I think it’s very helpful to remind someone that the hell they’re making isn’t normal but it’s even more helpful to ask them questions to help them find their way out. Telling someone tangled in vines in the middle of nowhere “you’re lost” and then leaving them there is like, cruel in shiny new way that no one was ready for.
Funny thing about the alcoholism thing is that shes literally said in fortnight "i was a functipning alcoholic til nobody noticed my new aesthetic" like. Do they not realize that abstinence doesnt work for many addicts and that moderation programs actually may be better than absitnence regimens for preventing relapse for some people? Like do your research. Theres no one way to recovery.
So disgusting how they keep calling her blondie, bodyshame her, shame her for potential drinking problems, say stuff like ‘eats and drinks like a piggy’… wtf.
some of the people on that subreddit straight up write taylor swift downfall fanfiction and then act like it’s not obsessive or weird in any way at all. it’s fun to read though
Snark communities are usually born from former fans who have turned for whatever reason. This explains why so many of them know the lore.
I think it's a form of deprogramming yourself.
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@@4bibimimiit’s not. most of the people in that Reddit are still active members of her fanbase. They’re Gaylors.
@@ashleybee00 Oh the gaylors?! It makes sense
@@AntoinetteChanel ok
The mock Reputation album cover is SENDING me like the person who made that really payed attention to every detail 😭The detection is wild
Right like imagine being a talented artist and creating... that 😭
what minute is it at 🥺
RIGHT! thank you for mentioning this
@@samaraisnt around 4:55 :)
I'm picturing them spending hours editing that image 😭 I can't imagine wasting time on someone I dislike like I don't get it
I think a lot of these Reddit users are former stans. It would explain why they know so much and are so obsessed. There’s a fine line between love and hate.
I was a stan when she did country. I would definitely snark on her now. If I didn't have a life.
they are, thats why they act like taylor and travis hurt them personally, its similar to gaylors. its just another form of parasocial relationships.
So basically the subreddit doth protest too much?
@@aila6814the vast majority of them probably are gaylors or they parasocially had her married off to Joe in their heads and lost their damn minds when those two broke up. 🤔
My father used to always say that love and hate are two sides of the same coin.
lots of country artists fake an accent in their music. Keith Urban is the biggest example of this. dude is Australian and sounds like he's from the deep south when he sings
KEITH URBAN IS AUSTRALIAN?!
@@Rachdubberz lol yeah
I dont know why this video is in my feed. All i know is taylor swift cant sing for sht live. Most of her fans is young white women. She is indeed a strange vocalist with a cult like following that isnt about music
Yes. It’s been this way for a long time.
I thought he was from NZ?
I don't think ALL Taylor Swift criticism is misogyny (and to think so is clown behaviour) but there's certainly a lot of casual misogyny displayed from her haters who claim to be progressives themselves. It shouldn't be this hard to call out a woman without resorting to slutshaming or bodyshamimg her.
People on the internet make 'jokes' about k*lling her young fans (even the ones that aren't being asshats online), constantly discuss her body, whether she has 'sex appeal' or not, fault her for having many relationships, compare her with Elon, Trump and even H*tler, reduce her whole discography to only being about her boyfriends etc and these gets TONS of likes, mind you.
Idgaf about stan wars, we shouldn't abandon our morals because of some celebrities who don't know us.
the killing jokes make me sick to my stomach. people will see a picture of young girls being happy and their first thought is "they deserve to die" ???? like omg seek help
Nobody in that sub has made jokes about killing her fans. What ??
@@lakeleaf9 not on that page but I've seen a lot of that on twitter
Ikr. I can't stand the impunity ppl give her by calling all criticism, even valid stuff, misogyny !!
@@Unknown-b4k9d I don't think it's wrong to just state she writes songs about her boyfriends.
It's the way that when people talk about a song, all they discuss is the celeb gossip and drama surrounding the relationship instead of the artistry and the emotional themes or storytelling etc. It's just a very shallow way to engage with music imo. I'm also not very eloquent but what I'm trying to say is that people use "she only writes songs about her boyfriends" as an INSULT when like a lot of pop artists write primarily about their relationships and it's never a topic of concern.
Snark pages are just the flipside of parasocial relationships. That level of obsession can either make you fawn over someone, or know so much it fuels your hatred of them.
Awesome way of putting it
This is exactly it. A great example is the Brittany Dawn snub snark
People hate what they can't acquire themselves.
I’ve only ever been aware of snark subs existing to bring awareness to people being shown on the internet that are actively HURTING people. The first one I ever was on was a Dan Schneider forum in 2010, I’ve seen the 8 Passengers sub, Shane Dawson sub, Eugenia Cooney etc. The draw to these were always “these people are harming others/children/themselves and we can clearly see it, how is this being allowed? We need to talk about it”. I had no idea these existed for the sole purpose of just talking shit?!! About people who just “annoy” them? Taylor Swift dating a football player and selling collectors editions of her albums doesn’t feel “snark” worthy to me at all 😂
So true! I also fully believe a fair amount of these deranged haters, were once fans and they felt some perceived slight or betrayal from the person they have a parasocial relationship with. As a kpop stan, I have seen it happen and I think it speaks to how love/hate are so closely related in the intense emotions and ownership people feel over a stranger.
Dawg you should’ve seen it when it was ran by the original moderator. The original dude who started it is literally so unhinged. Got banned and now literally hate tweets every day all day about Taylor swift.
Literally! I just made a comment about this before I saw your comment. The subreddit was built on unhinged, insane energy. It’s not surprising that this sub has turned into a dumpster fire, it was literally built on it.
Yikes... so he just changed platforms.
Same dude who ran a porn-esque subreddit about celebrities
Dude started it because she dated travis and not him. Truly you could not be this unhinged without being that delusional. Crazy shit.
@@embobemi wait I need his id
People need to start crocheting they have too much time.
😂 ur on to something
Nooooo, you're reminding me on my projects that I've been abandoning for months 😭😭
@@tikaputri1874get back to it, buddy 👉🏾
Take up any hobby for pete's sake 😭😭 Develop a skill...do it to spite Taylor if that makes them feel more motivated
@@tikaputri1874 It's a sign
But in all honesty if you don't like crocheting don't do it! You're allowed to come back to it when you want to
Personally I strongly dislike Ariana Grande. Would I ever go to a hate subreddit and talk about how much I hate her all day? No. Because that’s weird.
Still gonna see her in the wicked movie tho because the theatre lover in me is stronger than my dislike lmao.
And you are a reasonable person who would rather spend energy thinking about things you like, instead of people you don't.
Ariana is annoying but she did have to labor under that monster, Dan Schneider!
@@LC-le9ew Having a life that many people lack!
That’s how I feel w people I hate. Like how do you have the energy to focus on being an active part of a hate sub? 😭
If there was EVER a subreddit that needed this kind of video it would be r/SaintMeghanMarkle!!! They really blame her for EVERYTHING!
Yeah the brits, especially the Crown loyal brits, are a special kind of nasty unhinged LOL
Oh royal family stans are a whole other can of worms
Ugh yeah that poor woman
bumppp
Oh, definitely this. I'll watch a history video about the GD Wars of the Roses and if I scroll down far enough, there's _somebody_ comparing her to another villainized woman.
There are valid reasons to not like Taylor Swift, but it's hard to deny that misogyny plays a role in why many people feel so strongly about her compared to other celebs who have the same problems. Is there anyone else people are this unhinged about???
YES, thank you!! There are valid reasons to criticize Taylor Swift (her extensive use of private jets is a big one), but you can’t look me in the eye and say that misogyny ISN’T a big factor here. I really don’t see male celebrities being scrutinized and torn down the way Taylor and other female celebrities are.
And unfortunately, women are often the ones leading the charge. Internalized misogyny sucks.
Exactly!!
Your comment hit the nail on the head.
@@Silvermoon424she isn't even in the top 30.
@@Lovesalads06lol what do u mean? She’s the biggest star currently.
When the sub was in its infancy and not as insane, I made a comment about how inappropriate it was to comment calling her body sickly and disgusting or saying she looked so much better when she was thinner in reference to a period in her life in which she had an eating disorder. My comment got removed and I got a warning not to participate in fan behavior or I’d be banned. Haven’t checked that sub since 😂
This story really says it all 😅
fan behavior??? for saying you shouldn't criticize her body? tf these ppl are actually sick
Got in trouble on this site for saying it’s not okay or normal to make jokes and excuses of bad behavior because Kanye once said “I have autism from my car crash”.
They said I was defending Taylor…
No, you swine, I was calling out your ableism you are excusing as a “joke”. Clearly you cant get autism from car crashes, but you shouldn’t perpetuate that misinformation either. Haven’t returned either.
good. we don’t want you in there. you’re all mentally ill freaks obsessed with a woman who will never know who you are.
I used to follow that subreddit too when it first began. It got too gross, and toxic. It used to actually be constructive criticism, but now it's too much hate. I don't like talking about her body or shitting on her for no reason. It used to be about her exploiting her fans for money with the many similar variants, private jet usage, consistently blocking other artists on the US and UK Billboard charts, etc. It literally is a shell of itself at this point.
I think the internet would be a much happier place if people just ignored the things that made them mad instead of dedicating an entire subreddit to complain about it all day 💀
Agreed. But people aren’t going to do that because it makes too much sense and it takes great self control to turn their phones off
I get the value of venting to others. But at some point, you have to move on.
@@MegaVega2007 Depending on what it is. But some of what's going on here isn't valid.
@@MegaVega2007 criticism is only valid if it addresses issues that needs fixing. there's a difference between criticizing Taylor's business conducts and literally just jumping at any opportunity to say mean things like middle school mean girls and spreading false rumors. if you've been to this sub you'd know which category they belong in.
I like that haters are contained to one space. Makes it easier to block things I don't want to see.
"you've broken up with TS but they are not over her" - this is the whole encapsulation of what this snark sub. perfectly said D'Angelo.
Maybe I’m biased, but using John Mayer as a reason for jealousy is gross considering he was 32 and she was 19. She made it clear in Would’ve Could’ve Should’ve she felt taken advantage of
They really stan John Mayer over there because he made some mean tweets about Taylor and thus their hero. Completely ignoring all his misogynistic behaviour over the years, to myriad of women.
@Blip0000 I actually haven't seen anyone stanning JM at all. If anything the snark sub is actually against JM and Jake. Former fans so they don't stan him at all.
she felt taken advantage but she did the same to harry and that other kid
A 30 year old man dating a barely legal teenage girl is literally grooming. It’s weird that nobody talks about that, Taylor Swift is a flawed person but nobody deserves to go through what he did to her
@@lsssrt You’re talking about 18/22 vs 19/32… and your point doesn’t justify what happened to her.
I’m always baffled how no one can criticize Taylor Swift correctly
Like the woman is probably the easiest low hanging fruit to critique and criticize yet every time her name leaves someone’s mouth there’s always some weird tacked on misogyny at the end about how she dates too much or isn’t pretty or can’t actually sing etc. etc. etc.
Just call her a wealth hoarding billionaire people!!
yes dude, it’s so infuriating because oh my god the point is so close that i know you can taste it, but you actually don’t have morals, you just hate women!!!
Ugh right? This is how I end up defending awful women like Amy Schumer just because come ON people we don't have to be like THAT do we??
It is weird how people are so fixated and judgmental on her dating life. Katy Perry has also dated in her life and written songs about them. Why does taylor get so much sh1t for doing something as normal as dating?! I’m just concerned about the private jet trips this relationship has already cost our atmosphere 🙁
Exactly!!! they have me defending Taylor swift when I do not stan her at all😭😭
@@GrungeGalacticaAnd she got and gets hate for it too, sadly.
Even Stevie Nicks back in the day got hate for DARING to reference her ex. Even though he wrote a song about the relationship, too.😂
If you want to keep going down an unhinged Taylor Swift rabbit hole check out the Gaylor Swift conspiracy theory
“Gaylor Swift”? Huh???
Gaylor Swift are unhinged 😭 like I’m pan and I like Taylor’s music and some of the songs I view through a queer lense like I Look Through People’s Window, Ivy or Cowboy Like Me… but Taylor her self is 100% straight. Yet people there thinks she’s dating Karlie Kloss because a very pixelated pic of them looked like they were kissing or something. Like please listen to actual lesbian popstars like Boygenuis or Hayley Kiyoko or MUNA or Chappell Roan or someone
@@ravingraven694people who believe that taylor is secretly a lesbian, and she's trying to tell us all through coded messages in her songs, despite her loud public affirmations that she is a straight ally
@@ravingraven694 Gaylors as they are called are usually queer fans of taylor swift who think taylor swift is secretly gay but cant come out so she hides the truth in coded messages in her songs. it gets very obsessive, and is borderline deranged at times. It reminds me at times of Q drop threads on twitter for maga conspiracy theorists.
we NEED D’Angelo to cover the Gaylors
11:51 It's not just the fact that they think she's incapable of being loved but the CTE argument is borderline ableism.
The amount of abelism around CTE is very weird
I mean, it was already clear that it was full of obsessed haters who will hang on to anything to justify their hate, even if that means hiding under progressive personas when they're way worse, but like they didn't have to confirm it in such an mask-off way
Cmon now, ablism is a stretch
@@cliffwill27 Well, they're implying that she's impossible to love. And it's only because they believe Travis may have a traumatic brain injury, that it's impossible to conceive she may be loved otherwise. Borderline ableism is exactly where I'd put that sentiment.
@@laienmalowa4371 yeah that’s a wild thing to imply but I still think ableism is a slight stretch. Like if they were saying Travis was less than for his CTE I think that would be ableism right? Treating someone as less than because of their disability?
As a Taylor fan, there are valid reasons to criticize her just as there are valid reasons to criticize any celebrity. My issue is when people hold her to one standard but don’t keep the same energy for others.
They’re up in arms about her jet usage but don’t say a word about other celebrities who also use private jets a ton (especially ones who use their jet more than her!).
NO ONE should be a billionaire but again, they don’t have this same energy for other billionaire pop stars. Selena Gomez and Rihanna are also billionaires but it’s like Taylor is the only one they care about. And don’t get me started on the misogyny and how they would NEVER hold men to the same standard.
It’s almost as if half of these people don’t actually care that much about said issues, they just don’t like Taylor and feel the need to nitpick every single thing they can find. And if Taylor is on their mind this much, then they too are in a parasocial relationship haha. Some Taylor haters are literally more obsessed with her than swifties and I suggest they look inward.
I'm also a Taylor fan and I agree with you 100% 🫶
Its bcuz TS doesnt give a F about any of you,she is a manufactured pop business. She doesnt give two Fcks about the enviroment when she fly's private jets all over. Or when a fans dies at her concert. She is in the elite class and they will use and abuse the system to the detriment of society. Its sad that so many of her cult like followers cant see through it all.
Her working with a rapist for the movie Amsterdam at the peak of her career in a post metoo world is also a valid criticism.
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 Had to look this up because I had never heard about the director’s allegations but that’s fair! This was a big cast with Margo Robbie, Anya Taylor Joy, Christian Bale, etc. so as long as you take just as much issue with them being in the movie as well, then I think it’s a fair criticism for sure.
She’s not above reproach. I was only referring to people who are hypercritical of her and pick apart everything she does but don’t care about others who do the same thing (not saying this is you at all).
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 yes and she rightfully got burned for that but yet again people were silent about Margot Robbie working with him, she's still a queen?? or all the beloved male actors who were stacked in that movie. Why Taylor alone is the problem here.
“Silence is showing restraint, we will ban you” : Proceeds to write a whole essay rant … make it make sense
I think it’s a snark response to her letter regarding the Vienna cancellations. Pretty sure Taylor Swift used a similar phrase. I hate that I know that 🫠🥲
'silence is showing restraint' is a Taylor Swift quote..
@@ranga1catwhy do you hate that and how’s that a bad thing to know she said that about when finally being able to safely talk about her cancelled shows
@@HsioxIdixii because I’m not generally one to get deeply involved with celebrities. So when I say I hate that I know that it’s because despite my best efforts to remain out of the loop I’m so bombarded by celebrity culture that there is no avoiding it entirely. It’s not a dig at Taylor swift necessarily. Just any celebrity that the media shoves in our faces.
@@ranga1cat ahhh I get what you mean I was just curious
I hate to say it, but I've been saying it for years. Somehow, hating Taylor Swift has morphed into a personality type for some people. It's weird.
Loving and hating her has been a personality for many people, for many years
As has being a fan
@@OhNoTheFace okay? its a hobby of mine to love music, esp if that music makes me feel good and calms me (taylor for me), it makes me happy, hating someone on the other hand being a personality trait is weird. if you hate them so much why cant you stop talking abt them
@@yomnaislam948 They didn’t say loving music - they said loving TAYLOR. That’s why the word “Stan” exists. Some people make one artist their whole personality. Seems like you identified with that and got hurt - a hit dog hollers.
@@yomnaislam948also the Colleen ballinger snark page is what helped the allegations against her to come out. Some people hate on popular figures because they are known to be unethical / abusive / etc.
Glad you touched on this. Parasocial hate is real too, and not often discussed. Snark reddits very rarely stay rational, and it’s kinda obnoxious because it WOULD be nice to have outlets for that kind of discussion that didn’t devolve into “She’s clearly anorexic and he is brain damaged”
Exactly. That's the biggest flaw of snark pages. But when you bring up these valid points, they'll grasp at as many brittle straws they can in order to justify what is clearly an unhealthy obsession/hatred for that specific media personality.
“Getting so mad at one echo chamber,that you have to create your own, is crazy.”
Love this take.
“These people have broken up with Taylor swift but they’re not over her” is the most accurate description I’ve ever heard!! You don’t have to be a swiftie for very long to realise swifties are her biggest haters, just listen to But Daddy I Love Him!
The reaction the subreddit is having to this video is hilarious
i checked the sub out bc of this video and it made me laugh that this vid was already posted there
You can tell a lot of them are ex swifties by the swiftie levels of unhinged righteous indignation they exhibit
oh they’re mad 😭
its sooo funny and ironic that their slogan is "Stay Mad Swifties" yet they are mad lmao
i saw a comment there saying “snark subs are so misunderstood” like what 😭
I don’t post on the subreddit, but this one is like a guilty pleasure of mine I checkout about once a week. Something about reading irrational posts is beyond entertaining
same lol. it’s a morbid curiosity thing for me. I don’t like TS but their level of petty hate is like a car wreck i can’t look away from
Same I joined it just to read it, like some people have too much hate
Same tbh
My guilty pleasure on the internet is going in the comment section of anti woke videos on UA-cam and trolling everyone who falls for it. I can't help it, it's too entertaining. (To my defense I give everyone a chance for a meaningful discussion and only troll those who are rude)
Edit: I will take the advice seriously and continue my bad habit in the comment section of woke videos instead.
Same lmaooo
they're on that sub rn talking about how much you are apparently defending ts and that you don't understand the point of the sub
Yeah, I've seen posts about how it's hypocritical he's "snarking about a snark subreddit", like that's the greatest gotcha moment of all time.
@@bubblebaby0 of course they are. For them to actually understand what D’angelo is saying, they would have to have self awareness. Those people have none.
@@kelly1453I’m not a true Taylor snarker but it does make me a bit irritated to see people cover that sub and also miss the scores of very valid posts on there that I don’t see people making elsewhere. That was the first place I saw on the internet that routinely vocalized the amount of racism Kayla Nicole is facing from T Swift fans for being black and having the audacity to be Travis Kelce’s ex. It makes me disappointed in D’Angelo that he can pontificate on a white woman billionaire’s experience of misogyny, when a lot of Taylor’s actions have been nothing but inaction and silence when WOC are abused on her account. Idk. There are many valid critiques.
@@Neomie92 I am black. I am on black Twitter. You say that swifties have been attacking Kayla, and I agree some of them are insane and that is out of order. I’ve also seen a lot of Kayla fans attacking and bodyshaming Taylor for months. Every other week, there is a viral tweet about Travis downgrading to Taylor. I went to Kayla’s comments after her podcast episode and almost all the comments were insulting Taylor’s body and looks in comparison to Kayla. No one seems to care about this. Why? Again, it seems that many snarkers are only interested in the things that Taylor and Taylor adjacents (Travis, swifties etc) are doing, but no interest in calling out literally anything else. This makes a lot of their criticisms (some very valid in a vacuum, some completely false and based on rumours and opinions) come off as hypocritical and obsessive.
Even the snarkers themselves don't understand why they're on that sub. 😂 Mentally healthy people who have control of their lives can easily set boundaries to avoid someone they find unpleasant. These people are the opposite.
I listen to Taylor quite a bit. I’ve bought merch, I own the albums on vinyl. These people are so much more obsessed with her than me and any other fan I know irl. Like parasocial relationships are always cringe but parasocially hating someone is weird on a whole other level.
FR. Keeping up with someone because you like their music? Okay. But being this level of obsessed while hating her? I couldn't imagine spending time & effort on a celebrity I don't like. Seriously how do you not like someone and think "hey, let's look up what they are doing. Let's search for a place with other people who hate this person. Let's write a whole rant about this person." They could do literally anything else with their time, doing a hobby, listening to their fave artists, go out for a walk, watch a TV series, ect. ect., and they do THIS?
Snark reddits are truly a waste of server space, what can start as well meaning criticism so quickly devolves into harassment and bullying
You know its gonna be full of valid critiques when one of the rules involves banning people who say anything nice about her period
You are allowed to compliment her. People do it all the time on the sub, you clearly don't actually spend any time there. It's okay to say nice things with nuance. I have personally defended her on that sub and been upvoted. The fan behavior rule only happened because they were being brigaded by her deranged fans constantly. The only reason they do that is because the Swifties brigade the sub constantly and derail conversation. You couldn't even critique her on the sub at first without getting dozens of comments from people who post on the main Taylor fan subs infantilizing her and defending her objectively bad behaviors. They had to reign in the brigading somehow.
@@kyrus4989people using this sub are more deranged than the most deranged swifties out there.
@@kyrus4989 "It's okay to say nice things with nuance"
And are they requiring people to also say the mean things "with nuance?" Because there certainly seems to be a lot of unfettered vitriol coming out from the sub reddit.
@@kyrus4989nice things with nuance but they’re saying nobody could love her and that her face…isn’t real? lol
@@thetruth830 her face isn't real though. Remember what she used to look like? or are you just a taylor simp?
That sub makes valid critiques harder to make. It feels like a bunch of people trying to relive their mean girl days
It’s just a bunch of bullies who feel they have moral superiority when they clearly do not.
Basically all snark subs are that it’s insane
i accidentally found this subreddit a little while ago and i couldnt believe people actually cared that much about some random ass relationship that doesnt affect them in the slightest
but the way swifties act about their relationship is just as crazy LOL
@@jojolynx97 True. But the people are saying they don't even care about her. If they don't care, what are they doing?
@valolafson6035 majority of the people on there used to be fans, they've just caught on to the bs. they used to care until they saw right through her lmfao
@@jojolynx97 And so? Clearly they care. If they don't like her, move on.
@valolafson6035 A lot of people just want a place to rant without the swiftie fan base going crazy on them for disliking something about her. a lot of the people on there still listen to her music. They just want a place to talk about other issues without being harassed.
I keep getting recommended this subreddit and because I clicked once out of curiosity. And even though I don’t want to read more I keep reading it cause my gremlin side wants to see the unhinge
Hungry gremlin eating unhinged is a great visual!😂
Same same same. The level of insanity, especially before the mods sweep in to keep the whole thing from being banned, is sooo funny. It’s better than reading a flat-earther forum.
They are throwing tantrums on the subreddit about this video lmao
Which is so on brand for them.
it’s so funny
They are having meltdowns lmao
dude the one who said "so is hating illegal now?" had me cackling
On the variants: you can listen to every song she's released on Spotify without buying a single album. Acoustic versions aren't always on there but they are on UA-cam. If people don't want to buy them, they don't have to.
It's the way she pre-sold the album four different times with "bonus tracks" to not only release said bonus tracks for free on release but eventually put them all on one vinyl anyway for me. That's where I'm on the side of the album being a bit of a shameless money grab.
Fan here and I know someone somewhere will absolutely post Google Drive links with the mp4's lmao no need to buy variants
I always find it funny that Taylor haters never miss an opportunity to bring her up. I see so many comments from haters under posts that have nothing to do with her, it's crazy. I actually do think they're obsessed.
No literally. That one person saying they don't care at all about her yet they are in a subreddit dedicated to her that I as a Swiftie didn't even know about in this video. In general I didn't even know many of the things they were talking about. It *is* obsession.
real!! it’s so annoying because even as a fan (let me be clear, a fan and not a stan 😭) i don’t wanna see her name everywhere all the time and it’s usually haters who are constantly bringing it up!
No seriously, her name wont be even mentioned and they will somehow bring her up then complain how she is everwhere. Like if you don’t want to see her name don’t even mention her!
@poppyspoping3979 For real. I saw a post about Bridgit Mendler the other day and some of the comments were "Taylor Swift could never" and "Way better than Taylor Swift" etc.
@trashqueeen Genuine question: Why though? Why waste your time hating someone you don’t even know?
Snarkers are almost ALWAYS fallen fans. Hence why they know the deep lore. Then the person does something they dont like or agree with so then feel betrayed and then get mad and wish for their downfall etc.
Anyone who puts that much mental energy into hating person you've never met is unhinged by default.
This summer I accompanied a friend to a Swifty event and honestly they are a little unhinged but nobody really cared that I didn't like her very much. They didn't go out of their way to make me feel welcome (why should they, they were there to meet each other) but also didn't freak out. On the other hand most T.Swift haters I've met were absolutely unhinged. Criticising basically everything from the fact that she has child fans to her lipstick, but rarely focusing on stuff that matters. I think both to be an ultra fan and a hater you have to be a little divorced from reality, but the haters are on a different level.
Oof the CTE comment is ghoulish, it's a horrible condition that has ruined many lives, that's deeply gross.
Omfg this subreddit never stops popping up on my feed its SO unhinged. Anytime I check it out I’m like oh my god and I back away slowly 🤣🤣🤣
That's r/tinder for me, I've never even used Tinder and I haven't been single for 8 years but they recommend stuff off that sub all the time and it's addictively unhinged. But it's a cesspool of incels so I do end up backing away for my mental health lol
I follow a lot of snark subs but never saw this one, it's waaaaay too specific for me. I like stuff like fundie snark. Targeting a specific couple is hatefully ick
It keeps popping up because you keep looking at the trash fire! I'm not judging, it's on my feed, too.
I had to mute it I couldn’t stand the unhinged negativity
I had to mute it 😅
@@jokatal 😭😭 true at first I was intrigued but I haven’t even clicked on a post for months once I noticed it was popping up CONSTANTLY but even just today I saw posts from it 😭
I feel like the internet has lost the ability to dislike media without harasing the fan base who finds joy and comfort in the media. people are almost treating it as a moral requirement now to go on a crusade against fanbases whos source media you disagree with, which is just completely unhinged and unproductive. especially if you had moral or social justice concerns about the source media, harrasing stans isnt going to fix the world, it just serves to make you feel like some sort of unpopular opinion martyr.
Right!! I agree, I think part of it is that people don't know how to not like a popular thing without reason, and need to provide moral reasons, and because she isn't doing anything unnecessarily cruel (esp compared to a lot of men in that industry) they need to spin a narrative that they don't like her because she's a bad person
I love that person calling other people “ Judgemental creeps” with a straight face
It always pops up on my feed and I’m like …. you guys are way more obsessed with her than swifties
@@ilurvparamore no i swear i didnt even know abt the 'disneyland rumor' thing or much of the stuff on her and most of my tiktok fyp is taylor and ive been a fan for years.
I’m a swiftie and a swiftie hater at the same time. Her music is good but I’m obligated to dislike her as a person because of her class.
@@MegaVega2007 What do you mean by her class?
@@yomnaislam948 her billionaire status
@@MegaVega2007you're as celeb obsessed as those stan accounts please dedicate your time to critique politicians and billionaires like Elon Musk who literally have a lot of control of people's lives and opinions
I don't like Taylor, but yeah the subreddit is overly hateful. I think there are PLENTY valid criticisms that I AGREE WITH, but it's sort of sad that they get lost in all of the hatred they have for her.
i’m neutral on taylor, i really like some of her songs, ‘haunted’ and some of her older albums are some of my faves, they make me so nostalgic, but as someone who is on her actual subreddit and goes there time to time - i’ve noticed that many of her fans are actually very levelheaded and are very quick to critique her when she does something a lot of people would disagree with. obviously, she has *loud* unhinged fans who think she can do no wrong (as does almost every artist) but majority of them seem super chill? i don’t really care for her personal life, i’ll never be able to find a billionaire relatable in the slightest but i greatly appreciate her bigger moves when it comes to lifting literal voting registrations by thousands solely due to her speaking out. i just cannot fathom wasting so much of your energy on a single person, i can’t justify it either and so much of this comes from misogyny and hating an artist that so many young women identify themselves with, it’s ridiculous
Taste for liking Haunted
Yes! Thank you. Not all of us are delusional. I've noticed it's mostly the newer and younger fans that are the unhinged one's.
Preach. I wonder if part of “the decline of internet discourse” is having a new wave of such young fans - the emotional sophistication of a twelve year old is going to be different from a 22, 32, 42 year old, but everyone is all mixed in there together on these Reddit pages which came make nuanced criticism hard sometimes. But I think most people are normal and the crazies are more vocal (therefore overrepresented), and I don’t get the need to be so emotionally charged about her. When I’m liking her music she’s on my feed, when I’m paying attention to other artists she doesn’t show up as much. People really don’t get how feeding an algorithm works - rage or love is all the same when the metric only measures attention and engagement. To an extent they’re doing it to themselves
This sub is easily more unhinged than the actual Swifties. I got banned I'm pretty sure for saying some people in the sub are more obsessed than the average Taylor Swift fan.
That page needs to be taken down
@@Jess-y7cIt would be against freedom of speech, which is under threat because of fans who are obsessed with someone who won't give a rat's a$$ about you, and offended by anything.
@@Ms-K-w2xfind something better to do with your time my love
It's funny you say this at 21:52 bc she DID remove her whole discography from Spotify in 2014 lol
She did this so spotify would pay the artists better ❤
@@blondieHPfan10113*pay her better
Other artists was what she told the public....and it didnt help the artists as much as you'd think 💀
@@blondieHPfan10113she did this so more people would buy her album bc they couldn't stream it when it dropped
@berrie7098 her goal has been for a long time for artists to be paid better, she's used the pressure she could it's not her fault spotify and apple aren't paying artists enough.
@@berrie7098She didn't. She can then do it like Adele. But she was absent for 3 years. Also she has done for other artists in her own umg deals
I actually think snark subreddit and its users are WEIRD. It’s not normal to hold so much hatred for a stranger that you spend time out of your day writing in forums like some unhinged creep plotting their enemies demise. I don’t like Taylor but I cannot imagine caring enough to go talk shit in a subreddit. Embarrassing 😬
100% agree, like how much of your time are you wasting on a well known stranger?? doesnt matter how “fun” ranting is, on that scale its unhealthy 😳
"I know to much about this inane person who i care nothing about, but here we are"
Yeah, here you are. On a subreddit dedicated to this person.
I like to think they’re having an epiphany right there 😂
@@GrungeGalactica epiphany you say that’s a nice Taylor pun unless this is not a swiftie I’m replying to 😂
The most unhinged post on that subreddit was one where a person was melting down that they can’t enjoy social media because their entire feed is Taylor. Bruh the algorithm shows you what you keep watching. You can’t stop yourself, this isn’t a universal problem that everyone deals with.
@@Vmingram the jokes write themselves 😂
@@Vmingramyeah I have never seen any Taylor swift stuff on my feed, except like… this specific video lmao
D’angelo looks like someone who’d cry to evermore
His fit is so evermore coded 😭🤎
god this is the meanest thing i’ve ever seen anyone say
@@captaincalamity5025 wait how is it mean😭
he looks like Whoopi Goldberg if she was a streamer
Anyone who has human emotions cried to evermore !
Those snarkers are funny because they accuse her of having no self awareness, and yet that is their entire problem. They mask their obsession with her as ‘criticism’ to appear morally superior to deranged swifties, but the truth is they are the same. At least, a lot of swifties are aware that they are unhinged and parasocial. It’s also hilarious how they criticise every single aspect of Taylor’s life, but cannot accept criticism of their own odd behaviour. In a few years, a lot of them will look back on this behaviour with a lot of shame, because it really is weird.
IMO they are worse than “deranged Swifties”. At least the parasocial Swifties are exerting their energy to something they love and exude positive energy. They make art and crafts (even if most is shitty) and support local businesses. These obsessed haters do nothing but spew hate.
I’ve actually been waiting for this one. That sub is WILD.
Edit to add: Obvs it’s okay to dislike someone’s music etc, but bullying/harassment is not okay!
no one would ever dare disrespect my king ken carson like that thats why he is the greatest artist of all time (i got ratioed)
Not just that, the rape talk in their comments. Pretty clear what kinda person wants to exert personal time and effort stalking a random liberal female celeb so much they spend time speaking in a sub about it. Loser shit. Like, even if you arent the rapey one in the thread, look at all the comments AROUND yours.
@@ScaryRyaihate to break it to you but there are definitely people who don’t like him (I’m not saying I do I’m just saying if someone exists someone dislikes them)
You mean like how Taylor Swift fans bully and harrass people online? The mods there are very clear they do not condone brigading or bullying. The mods for r/taylorswift should do the same. I don't post on either sub, but this double standard is ridiculous.
@@zilazilazila The entire sub is dedicated to bullying her.
I stumbled on this subreddit and I was WAITING for someone to talk about it. Unhinged is absolutely correct
Please tell me you reported this page!! It’s absolutely awful.
this subreddit is so unhinged i made a post being like “sometimes yall (r/taylorandtravis) support bad people (like eminem and scooter braun) just because they shade taylor swift” and it got removed for being ‘pro-taylor’
Maybe also because eminem isn't a bad person?
What’d eminem do?
Em is just cringe, he isn't really bad (as far as we know).
@@stevendemayo3631 he said the f slur and fantasized about k*lling his ex wife on songs many times. he also accused megan thee stallion of lying about being sh*t by tory lanez. he is not a good person.
@@stevendemayo3631 he is ❤️ i can’t even say what he has done in this comment without it getting immediately removed
Those people can’t seem to grasp that being obsessed with hating someone and spending your energy and time doing that is often much worse and more toxic than the behaviour of the overly obsessed parasoical fan they claim to be opposed to.
Really, they're two sides of the same coin. She's an ultra-rich celebrity who doesn't know any of us exist, so it's unhealthy to identify so much with her in either direction.
As a swiftie I think there is a lot of valid reasons to criticize her, like her CO2 emitions, wasteful merch and the Ticketmaster saga but when it gets to hating on her for your pleasure it gets kinda sad
How much of the Ticketmaster thing was her fault though? Genuinely asking, because I don't know much about that particular situation but I do know that Ticketmaster doesn't need any help in being problematic as hell.
@@findtheeyesno what ticketmaster did was not her fault in the slightest. She actually handled it extremely well and got praised. I don't know what op's talking about.
@@findtheeyesit wasn’t her fault at all. she was even one of the few artists who didn’t turn on dynamic pricing because she wanted them to be affordable. Ticketmaster gave codes to scalpers and that’s where the issue arose
@@SamanthaEatsCookies didn't she post about it, though?
@@SamanthaEatsCookies what are you talking about, there was a post from her about it.
I refuse to think anyone in that subreddit is over the age of 25. That's some crazy shit.
I once checked out that sub out of curiosity and one of the members had 30 yrs old in their bio. I can't imagine someone my age being that invested in a celebrity. I don't even like Taylor Swift as a person or an artist, but I don't dedicate that much mental space to people I hate. 😂
The ex moderator of the subreddit is 40yrs old, his user got banned for hateful contents (?) and then moved to Twitter to continue hating on Taylor lol. He has like 600 posts about Taylor Swift. Insane.
Some people are literally addicted to hating others. It helps them feel self-righteous and like they're better than that person. Most of the time, hate is covering up feelings of jealousy, so they have to find a perceived flaw so they can tear that person down. Then they can say to themselves, "I'm the one who deserves to be successful/famous/rich, not them!" yay psychology
Exactly.
Most of the time.
I agree with you, but her haters have a lot of valid points that aren’t just nitpicking. She’s a racist nepo baby that SA’ed a minor after stalking his family for months. She doesn’t deserve her success or any sort of platform.
Or some people are just tired of an unethical billionaire being celebrated when she is no better than Jeff Bezos. Hope that helps.
Oh God. Literally name 3 more things that she did other than the jet things. That's literally the only point y'all bring up in the subreddit. The fact that you hate her everytime she's shown on TV (or anywhere) is clearly a mental illness that needs to be studied. Gtfo lmao
This subreddit made me like Taylor Swift more out of spite
don't lie, it's pathetic
@@marcellakilgarriff me when i lie on the internet
@@conflictwx now why would I be lying?
@@BowieBro11 what about this seems like a lie to you?
Oh looks like the r/travisandtaylor users found your comment
The “CTE” thing is so ableist, I’m kind of shocked by how blatant it is.
There’s a post in r/subredditdrama about how they accused her of incest with her rather 💀💀💀💀
That's fucked up
that particular post made my stomach turn because let's assume they are right, why did they not say "oh wow this woman was sexually abused by her dad" instead they went straight to " TS is a sl*t who slept with her dad".
Full disclosure, I was a member of this subreddit (no shame in being a hater), but I left after that whole debacle. Honestly kinda disappointed my comment wasn't mentioned in this video as I was the first to call it out as gross speculation lmao!
@@bevbevbev_ because to such people the women is always the problem. They're likely the same type of people who victim-blame a child for being r*ped with ''she seduced her dad'' excuse.
@@nnilkyway I think its really weird that you think there is no shame in being in hater. people like you are some of the problems we have in the world. To think calling yourself a hater of a random person you don't know is something to be proud of is weird.
And in all honesty, it doesn't matter if you called them out for that comment, you are exactly like the people who support the comment in the first place. And this isn't about Taylor swift, anyone who think it is okay to be a proud hater of someone or something is a weirdo, there are 101 things to spend your energy on.
9:59 idk Swift's specifics, but I'm from the South, moved out of the South a while ago, and have dropped my accent completely in my day-to-day, but it still comes out when I talk to folks who have it or when I deliberately code-switch into it. So acting like that's ~un-possible~ and ~inauthentic~ smells like bullcrap to me. Not everyone can or does, but for some folks, accent shifts based on circumstance/code-switching come very naturally.
Swift was never from the south, which is why people make fun of it. She's from West Reading PA, Berks county. Basically not at all southern even a little. I'm from the southwest and if I start talking to someone to from the deep south I start accent matching unintentionally. And sometimes I do sound a little southern just on my own. But I'm at least from a place where we say y'all! Swift never had any type of southern accent.
@@turdleyurtleShe lived in Nashville from the age of 14. She may not have been born there but to say she has never been from there in any way just isn’t true. She spent her formative years there and yes, you pick up the accents of people around you.
I am a linguist. I approve this comment.
@@turdleyurtleI’m from CA and I lived in North Dakota for 3 years as a teen and started picking up the accent some of the locals had. My ex moved from England as a kid and completely lost his accent before he even became a U.S. citizen. It happens.
My response to them is that, sometimes performers learn an accent to enhance their performance. People are acting like this is unheard of, it's wild.
I think hating on Taylor Swift because she’s a billionaire or a capitalist and not criticizing other musicians and actor (looking at you JayZ & Rihanna fans) is hypocritical.
Say to the people at the backkkk!!!!
Agreed
Exactlyyy omg
The truly insane part is these people thinking they know _everything_ about this woman based _solely_ off of her public appearances. As a fellow person, I can say with 100% confidence that 95% of a person happens at home in private. Nobody but the people actually in her life know her, just like we don't know the strangers of our own locales just because we saw them in public somewhere doing something. Them and people like them are so out of touch.
I remember the earlier days on the subreddit. There were valid criticisms on her new album, overexposure, variants, jet use, etc…
Now it seems like they are criticizing her over every little thing. And as you said, it’s ironic because they are acting like the people they hate (Swifties)
I agree with you on this. I stopped going to the sub as much because they criticize her for stupid shit like her having bad posture. I got upvoted for defending her posture so it's not like they don't allow people to say nice things as long as it's nuanced, but it does feel overly nitpicky at times.
I have been lurking on that subreddit for a few months, and I agree that there are some valid criticisms. Though, I think after Taylor's endorsement, that subreddit attracted a lot of toxic people which resulted in the constant bodyshaming, mocking of her open mouth and posture, and there were a lot of people got a bit too 'gleeful' with her being a possible alcoholic or doing ❄️, which is so disgusting to me. Even though she's a billionaire, addiction is still not something to joke around about.
It's still so odd to think about how extreme people can be when talking about Taylor Swift, and I'm referring to both fans and haters. If I were to say "I like Taylor's music, but not her as a person," I feel like I would get hated on by both groups 😅
ugh, give me a BREAK from the stupid variants argument. Do people criticise Ariana Grande, Billie Eilish and CharliXCX for releasing even more variants than Taylor? Nope.
@noitsholly Taylor Swift has run pre-sales advertising bonus tracks to entice people and profit off their FOMO, only to release them for free at the album's release anyway. And she's done similar things after the release with demo tracks and now the entire collection is on one disc. It's not remotely the same as one album having aesthetic variations on the cover or vinyl.
It's even worse when you consider that Taylor Swift is literally a billionaire who has no need to be capitalising off people like this.
@@kyrus4989 How did you defend her posture? Trying to unpack some issues I have 😅
redditors... go to therapy. Go to therapy. go to therapy. GO👏TO👏THERAPY👏
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snark pages in general are just crazy to me 😭
Agreed. It’s just bully behavior. Kinda pathetic if you ask me
It is really is you’re telling me you having nothing better to do with your time, with your energy, attention, LIFE than hate and have beef with a person YOU DONT KNOW and doesn’t know you and hasn’t doesn’t anything personally to you that’s some crazy shit 😂
Some of them are useful because you can raise concerns that would get you harassed on the fan pages
Reddit keeps pushing this subreddit to me and it makes me rethink every choice I’ve ever made if this is the vibes I give
I think it gets recommended to like anybody who like interacts with any other subreddit that talks about pop music or something
That subreddit is big mad after this video lmao
Who cares if they are big mad they deserve to get called out!!!
Omg thank-you! I don't know why this subreddit is recommended to me CONSTANTLY. It's vile and I'm perfectly fine with TS
If u are in any of the pop culture subs this one will keep getting recommended to you. I get this on recommended all the time along with r/popheadcirlcejerk too and those mf are unhinged but not as crazy as the r/TaylorandTravis, atleast they have legit reasons for not liking her.
You can mute subreddits.
@@zilazilazila i found this out last week but I think I’m gonna keep them unmuted cause those subs are some of the best unhinged content on Reddit 😂🤣. Especially when I’m at my desk and I’ve completed all my assignments. They make me feel better about myself and makes me a little happy to see ppl more messed up than myself.😭
I'm part of this reddit community. I joined because in the beginning, it was really a sub about people being tired of the over exposure of travis and taylor in the nfl. We were all collectively annoyed by the favoritism and the butt kissing the nfl did for taylor by showing her every time the chiefs made a play. And then the sub started to get more snarky and it wasnt just about football anymore but both of them in general. The sub even changed the theme to be a snark sub. The snarkiness went past, "oh there they are again" to Taylor is disgusting, Taylor should be banned, Taylor is sabotaging other pop girls careers. It started to remind me of the one scene in mean girls where Janice and Ian caught Cady having her house party and Cady lied to Janice about not going to her art show. She tells Cady, "You're not pretending anymore. You're just like them (the mean girls) cold, shiny, hard, plastic." That sub has become nothing but bullying and frivolous and childish complaining. They've become just as obsessed in hating her. I see the same complaints they post as the same ones I had in middle school, when i was immature and stupid, making fun of another girl. Its wild.
Yeah, it was a place to talk about the obvious PR, then they decided to take an already established sub into a complete TS snark sub. "We can’t change the name - we’ve asked.". Yeah so, stop piggybacking on the original sub and make your own
Idk y’all but the person who made the sub is actually fucking crazy. After he got permanently banned from Reddit for brigading he made a Twitter and the last I checked it was NOTHING but tweets hating Taylor and insinuating he thinks Taylor and Tree stalk his online presence for….hating Taylor. So maybe y’all didn’t look too hard lol
@@songs4polarbear "Obvious PR" ?????? are you hearing yourself?
"Silence is actually showing restraint" *creates an entire snark subreddit* 🤔
They were mocking her with this comment, it’s a direct TS quote lol
For context, that’s part of a quote from Taylor Swift when she addressed her Vienna concerts being cancelled due to planned terrorism attacks (linked to ISIS or at least planned by men/boys inspired by ISIS).
She didn’t post anything about it until after her next set of shows (London) were completed and her team was back in the US. There are probably a 100+ good reasons to have waited to address until after the London shows, including not wanting to inspire copy cats. She worked closely with London police and literally hired new security with anti-terrorism expertise to get through those shows.
I’ll also just note a new “fun fact” I learned - the only shows she’s cancelled were for a military coupe in Thailand, Covid shutdowns, and now the planned terrorist attacks.
Anyways, this snark subreddit was full of people saying TS doesn’t care about her fans and tons of super highly upvoted posts (thousands of upvotes, I think they even pinned one) about how “I work in ___ and I can tell you there is no issue with Taylor immediately posting something like ‘heartbroken for my Vienna fans.’ This is just evidence she only cares about money.” They were extremely *unhinged* about it all, and that’s why part of their sub bio is making fun of TS’s “sometimes silence is showing restraint” quote which again.. is in reference to waiting to address planned terror attacks until after another 4 concerts were safely finished.
“Wine moms, vipers, and judgmental creeps” are in the lyrics to a Taylor Swift song on ttpd, kind of a deeper cut too. For people that hate her they sure do know her songs well
most of the people in that sub are former swift fans, hence why they know that
@@tori_the_rat except isn't this a lyric to one of her newer songs?? 😭😭 so they still listen to her despite hating her
The issue I have with a lot of Taylor Swift haters is that some of them critique her to be ‘progressive’ like constantly mentioning her “white feminism” or lack of political agenda but don’t realise they stoop to the level they believe they’re above. It’s also sad to see a woman who identifies as a feminist discuss their dislike for Taylor without any nuance. Theres a certain irony in critiquing a woman for their feminism while also being hyper critical of women and holding them to a higher standard (which is a form of misogyny). You are no more of a feminist than Taylor if you expect her to carry the world on her shoulders and fix the worlds problems!
As the Barbie movie so perfectly said “somehow we have to always be extraordinary, yet somewhere we’re always doing it wrong”
The Megan Markle snark subreddit is worse than anything said on Taylor’s snark page
17:20 is wild because wine moms, vipers and judgemental creeps arent a random choice of words but actually lyrics from Taylor’s song But Daddy I Love Him. You need to know a lot about Taylor to quote these lyrics like that 😵💫
They’re all in the subreddit trying to spin this into a positive and pretend like they don’t have a unhealthy obsession with a celebrity.
I think her cult followers are way more obessesd. I dont get why ppl.are so obssesd with this women. She cant even sing live,it sounds like sht!t
my swiftly neutral comments keep getting deleted 😢😢 so all i'm gonna say is that sub can delve into unhinged snarker territory sometimes. the golden globes and grammy megathreads are actually wild...armchair diagnosing a woman YOU DON'T KNOW with BPD and then claiming you're a 'neutral sub'...alright.
I feel like a lot of Taylor subs were getting filled by people mad that she won AOTY. People were so unhinged at the time it was so weird
@@autumhughes553 even her own fans were mad she won AOTY.
@@bevbevbev_yes but that's not her fault. Fans feel she deserved soty but not aoty
i found myself on this subreddit once and was genuinely appalled at how hateful people were being
As a Swiftie, the world is far more critical of Taylor for her gender and relationships than anything that actually matters. It makes it so hard for people who genuinely critique her and her massive problems. It gets overshadowed by (internalized) misogyny and downright sexism
I don’t like Taylor at all. But it’s crazy on that sub…I made a post that advocated not commenting on her body, and I got shredded and the post was taken down 20 minutes later. I now feel shame about being on that subreddit at all. I really wish I had a neutral place to express my frustrations about billionaires, including Taylor, Elon, Zuckerberg…I have even had issues with Rihanna, and I still love her music. I feel like I can’t express my frustrations anywhere. 😮💨
Also, I used to be grumpy as a native Tennessean that she started with country even though she was from PA-and then I went to PA and realized how huge the country/folk influence is there. And then I was like, “oh. Actually, makes sense.”
15:40 God forbid a woman BLINKS
I went to the subreddit to see if they talked about this video and omg the comments are as obsessive and ridiculous as the ones you read in your video 😭😭 they were so upset that they started to attack D'Angelo in the most innocuous things? Like his new catchphrases and his laid back commentary style???? they rlly hated the catchphrases though lol
The most unhinge one has to be that person who made a live tweeting style of commentary while watching the video, like EDIT: this is so dumb. EDIT2: he doesn't know about blablabla up until EDIT 30 or smth
it was as unhinge as we expected lol they need a pile of grass to roll on to
I just saw that one too! There's like 30+ of them.. Omfg these people are obsessed
@@Shai_Shaib I was really baffled at how many upvotes each hateful comment had???
And they thought the weird things that D'Angelo pointed out they said it was very tamed?????????? Sir, how's that tame. They need therapy
@lalalalalalal4 oh every single one of them needs it bad. That post alone was so unhinged.
I saw one comment that was mad that he says he's "talking in his room like youtube used to be" because he's actually in front of a green screen. Like buddy what do you think is behind the green screen.
Just saw that one, too. They're literally defending the CTE comment. How hateful do you have to be to think that's in any way an okay thing to say?!?
I’ll never understand the passionate hate some people have for Taylor. They’re always poking at every little thing she does, and it makes me so sad. Not even just as a fan, but a human. Imagine you’re doing what you love, creating music, and someone is trying to force an evil narrative onto you. Saying everything you do and make is bad and that you don’t deserve anything good in your life. No matter how many good deeds she does, it only keeps getting worse. It’s ok to not like a song or any piece of artwork, but you do not choose what the artist draws inspiration from, or what the artist makes. you not liking it does not matter and does not give you the right to harass someone over something that’s not hurting anyone. Basic empathy is important. It’s so frustrating.
I really don't care about Taylor Swift, and I swear 99% of what I know about this woman has been against my will, and the reason for that is mainly because people find the dumbest reasons to attack this woman.
Omg I just went to the subreddit to see if they saw this video yet, and they are pressed!
Loooooololollll
Um... no they're not but keep lying, baby
@@RockyJay13 I’m not sure how I was lying when the first thing I saw when I opened the subreddit was a post about D’Angelo, and everyone in the replies being mad at his video🤷♀️
@OliviaRenae1111 so you went thru all 300+ comments? Obsessed, are you?
@@RockyJay13 the fact that there are 300 comments maybe.
I'm a swiftie and I'm not even mad at what they say. I just feel so sorry for them, I can't imagine being this obsessed over someone I dislike. It's embarrassing.
taylor inspires some of the most unnuanced discussions on the internet and it makes me feel insane: its either shes perfect or shes actually evil and never shes a human being
I'm a new fan of hers who could not agree more.
exactly. the loudest opinions are either batshit insane fans setting her up for hate by making the stupidest remarks, and insane haters taking the bait in desperation to name her as an absolute evil satan incarnate. both are so frustrating to watch like can we be normal?
dude I'm autistic and taylor swift is one of my special interests and I don't even think abt her this much😭
I’m so glad you made this video because I’m a swiftie who stumbled onto this subreddit and I couldn’t tell if my bias was why I thought it was so terrible. It’s good to know that’s not it, and other people can see why it’s weird to obsess so much about someone you claim to not care about. Some stuff I read in there was just so mean for no reason. It’s like Taylor had wronged each and everyone one of those people personally. I wonder how many of them would be able to repeat what they wrote to her face or if that would make them realize just how unkind they’re being.
Being a swifty is equally bad
@@kaylac2374 not sure what the point of your comment is or if there’s any way we can have a discourse about an opinion we obviously complete disagree on. Sounds like you’d enjoy r/travisandtaylor. You’ll find lots of people who agree with you there.
@@kaylac2374how is… enjoying an artist’s music equally as bad as actively going out of your way to criticize her every move?? make that make sense please lol
@kaylac2374 Not really. Being a stan is, but being a swiftie isn't.
@@ronydoesstuff imo if you call yourself a swifty you’re a stan
I saw one of this snark posts comparing Travis to Chris watts while going through it and it genuinely freaked me out so bad, the snark pages I had joined about celebrities I did not favor i quickly got out of!!
I actually discovered it a few weeks ago and I was baffled like the level of obsession with a person could not be by a sane individual. I'm convinced those people are the ones who have a little sanctuary with her pictures and "I hate taylor swift" written all over it in red lol On a serious note, she does have people's extreme obsession to her through out her career, they just got braver because its not unhinged to hate on her anymore.
i'll never get why people who dislike celebrities decide to go to this level. it's a genuinely weird level of obsession
I think when people find that the thing that brought them joy, that they invested in and thought about often, starts to change into something they don’t like they have to grieve it. And expressing that grief, which you have to do somehow in order to move on, can get messy when they don’t understand where all this anger and disappointment is coming from. To them it just looks like the rose tint in their glass got switched with a weird shade of green. Of course that’s not an excuse to be so awful. They keep feeding into the hate instead of moving onto the next step in the process. They don’t know that they can take a step back from it and ask themselves why any of this matters and why they feel the need to hate so violently. I think it’s very helpful to remind someone that the hell they’re making isn’t normal but it’s even more helpful to ask them questions to help them find their way out. Telling someone tangled in vines in the middle of nowhere “you’re lost” and then leaving them there is like, cruel in shiny new way that no one was ready for.
Funny thing about the alcoholism thing is that shes literally said in fortnight "i was a functipning alcoholic til nobody noticed my new aesthetic" like. Do they not realize that abstinence doesnt work for many addicts and that moderation programs actually may be better than absitnence regimens for preventing relapse for some people? Like do your research. Theres no one way to recovery.
why…have they done so much research on someone they hate?
this whole obsession just smells like ex taylor swift fans who had a parasocial relationship with her
They still have a parasocial obsession with her 😂
So disgusting how they keep calling her blondie, bodyshame her, shame her for potential drinking problems, say stuff like ‘eats and drinks like a piggy’… wtf.
some of the people on that subreddit straight up write taylor swift downfall fanfiction and then act like it’s not obsessive or weird in any way at all. it’s fun to read though