2022 Formula 1 Compared to Other Race Cars

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  • Опубліковано 9 вер 2022
  • There are many racing disciplines out there - light and grippy formula cars, Le Man prototypes, GT cars, stock cars and superbikes. Each discipline goes about racing in very different ways, each with its own strengths and weaknesses.
    But - which is quicker?
    Well, I have compared them all using a series of tests to figure this out and the answers may surprise you.
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    Now we did this a couple of years ago, but since then Formula 1 and NASCAR have had enormous rule changes, affecting how they all stack up against the pack, so we have ripped up the form book and started again.
    The tests being used are 0-60mph, top speed and lap time around a track.
    Quick disclaimer, since not all of these cars have raced the same tracks, or done speed runs in the same conditions - there is no way to be 100% accurate with this. (Well, unless someone wants to lend us one of each)
    But we can compare lap times at several different tracks to give it the best go possible.
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  • @GuagoFruit
    @GuagoFruit Рік тому +1216

    Motogp is wild, how quick they go on straights and it's basically a dude hugging a bike. And when they turn they're just about touching the ground, usually less than 1 meter away from another rider's wheels. Crazy stuff.

    • @thetruebatman4632
      @thetruebatman4632 Рік тому +59

      It is truly fascinating, the fact that essentially every single turn and straight is plenty wide enough for them to go 5 or 6 across, anyone can set up an overtake anywhere.

    • @CommentFrom
      @CommentFrom Рік тому +38

      You think that's mad check out the isle of man tt

    • @defaultuser3410
      @defaultuser3410 Рік тому +7

      Also fun to be able to see them operating the controls with their hands and feet.

    • @deemond5289
      @deemond5289 Рік тому

      Using their huge balls as airbrakes :)

    • @fqeagles21
      @fqeagles21 Рік тому +36

      @@CommentFrom TT Is Only Dangerous, Moto GP Is more Enjoyable for me,TT Is Crazy

  • @MikeThePikeOnAHikeOverTheDike
    @MikeThePikeOnAHikeOverTheDike Рік тому +806

    The speed record of MotoGP was broken this year at 363.6 kph. Their 0-300kph performance is also bonkers considering how little of the tyre has contact to the road.

    • @abexuro
      @abexuro Рік тому +93

      Yeah, this doesn't seem like a very well researched video. Again.

    • @sebastianspieler4842
      @sebastianspieler4842 Рік тому +42

      yes, Ducati and KTM had over 360 kph at Mugello, they are fast AF

    • @monteiro5306
      @monteiro5306 Рік тому +3

      YOU ARE RIGHT !!!

    • @zadsazhad
      @zadsazhad Рік тому +13

      I think what he meant is average cause f1 car can go higher and lower based on circuit and circumstances. That's why ig

    • @Striball
      @Striball Рік тому +23

      I mean even before this year is was somewhere around 356kph in 2018, broken this year at 363kph. Not sure where they got their data..

  • @lionritchie8201
    @lionritchie8201 Рік тому +629

    The thing about motogp is there is no roll cage, no crush zones, etc - basically nothing but a piece of leather between the rider and the pavement, barriers and other bikes. It's absolutely nuts safety wise.

    • @rhmotes
      @rhmotes Рік тому +29

      Part of what makes it so exciting. When I hear about "AI that can prevent F1 cars from crashing" I tend to think it neuters the sport

    • @EstellammaSS
      @EstellammaSS Рік тому +97

      They have airbags built into their abrasion-fire-proof full body leather which also doubled as a HANS device by limiting the helmet movement when triggered. And their run off area are much more generous to allow the rider to slide and separate from his bike.
      Sure you might get a bruise from a high-side but even breaking a bone is a very rare occasion. The only real risk of death is getting hit by another bike which unfortunately can’t be solved, only minimized by adjusting track layout.

    • @Semtex11
      @Semtex11 Рік тому +37

      @@EstellammaSS unfortunately the risk of getting hit by another rider is very real as we have sadly seen. Awesome breakdown! Spot on!

    • @yagfiemhsoohw9395
      @yagfiemhsoohw9395 Рік тому +32

      @James Black wtf

    • @bytesandbikes
      @bytesandbikes Рік тому

      a whole lot less to get hit by too...

  • @fredericauger8573
    @fredericauger8573 Рік тому +410

    GT3 can actually do a lot more than 190 kph. I’ve seen the stats during the 24 hours of spa and there were doing 240 through eau rouge and the BMW M4 GT3 which was clearly the fastest car during this race was topping 294 kph just before the bus stop

    • @ZachRattray
      @ZachRattray Рік тому +89

      Was about to comment about that 😂 ain’t now way the top speed is 190… must’ve been on a cooldown lap

    • @AtMyOwnPace10
      @AtMyOwnPace10 Рік тому +116

      I think he meant 290. Maybe just a typo

    • @liangdar9675
      @liangdar9675 Рік тому +46

      100% a typo no way it does less top speed than our family car and no way they would believe it does.

    • @LoWreck
      @LoWreck Рік тому +25

      @@AtMyOwnPace10 I don't think it's a typo, that would put it ahead of the Formula E on the diagram. It's a genuine mistake I think. GT3s top speeds are somewhere around 290-320km/h

    • @GazMoz78
      @GazMoz78 Рік тому +25

      Yeah I was thinking 118mph? They're Ferrari's, Porsches and Lamborghini's not fuckin hot hatches 🤣

  • @WolfJustWolf
    @WolfJustWolf Рік тому +123

    190kph for a GT3 ? That can't be right. My Volvo can probably do that.

    • @RhaviMarques
      @RhaviMarques Рік тому +9

      it probably could, the difference is the GT3s will take a turn with a single downshift and some light braking, while your volvo would pancake on the wall if you even touched the steering wheel going that fast :D

    • @evguenicht4664
      @evguenicht4664 Рік тому +39

      @@RhaviMarques he’s talking about top speed, in spa they reach higher than 260 kph, 270 in monza and Bathurst so yeah there’s a big problem

    • @Denes2005
      @Denes2005 Рік тому +29

      What i think happened is they found the speed in mph, and then forgot to convert it to kmh

    • @Noreceipts400
      @Noreceipts400 Рік тому +14

      @@Denes2005 Yeah 190kph is just stupid. TCR cars probably do better than that. Plus gt3 races at le mans, they definitely arent cruising down the mulsanne at just 190 lol, that would be incredibly dangerous. Not to mention literally every game that has a somewhat realistic depiction of a gt3 car would have them doing around 250-290kph

    • @animefan73
      @animefan73 Рік тому +2

      That's roughly their average speed at Spa based on 2:16.4 lap time and 7km track length. (average is ~185kph) I'm quite certain these cars are capable of 260kph+

  • @martron7
    @martron7 Рік тому +50

    GT3 having a top speed of 190 kph is just wrong, you guys sure you didnt forget to translate 190 mph to kph?

  • @miguelribeiro3103
    @miguelribeiro3103 Рік тому +137

    190kp/h top speed for gt3 is wrong, maybe it is 290

    • @amjan
      @amjan Рік тому +6

      Exactly!

    • @joecar725
      @joecar725 Рік тому +23

      I think it suppost to be 190 mph

    • @nirvaesh
      @nirvaesh Рік тому +3

      @@joecar725 rest of the speeds seem to be correnct on the kph

    • @pirat87pl
      @pirat87pl Рік тому +3

      Yeah, I was wondering what's happening there. My Toyota estate can do 200 km/h :D Everywhere else online says GT3s can do around 290 km/h.

    • @sneauxday7002
      @sneauxday7002 Рік тому +1

      I assume typo

  • @benny8487
    @benny8487 Рік тому +89

    Wait, since when is 190kph the top speed of gt3 cars? Is it supposed to be in mph?

    • @hhuhu6995
      @hhuhu6995 Рік тому +18

      GT3 is sadly just a filler for this video, as well as the other series like MotoGP. They didn't even invest the time in looking up the correct Top speeds. GT3 did over 270 kph Top speed on Imola this year and that is not even the longest straight Gt3s are racing on. MotoGP also did over 360 kph this year in Mugello.

    • @David.R06
      @David.R06 Рік тому +7

      @@hhuhu6995 GT3‘s can do over 290 kp/h at Paul Ricard

    • @chiefdenis
      @chiefdenis Рік тому +1

      @@David.R06 290kph is 180mph

    • @hhuhu6995
      @hhuhu6995 Рік тому +1

      @@David.R06 ok didn't watch the 1000km Paul Ricard this year as I wasn't home

    • @AtMyOwnPace10
      @AtMyOwnPace10 Рік тому

      @@hhuhu6995 Chill, it was a typo probably lol

  • @frankhuurman3955
    @frankhuurman3955 Рік тому +343

    I really hope Formula E can finally move onto some normal circuits with the new gen cars and top speeds, those street tracks are not memorable at all and I'd love to see them push for longer.

    • @formularguments7335
      @formularguments7335 Рік тому +28

      One of the key features about formula e is that it races on street circuits. There has to be something significant about the series other than the fact it's electric that is unique. Also there is no way they will change because the new concept for next year is still made to excel on street circuits by how the cars are smaller than before

    • @frankhuurman3955
      @frankhuurman3955 Рік тому +19

      @@formularguments7335 I thought initially the choice of street circuits was because the gen 1 cars couldn't drive that long to be able to do a long enough entertaining race. But might be wrong on that.
      I get that they won't change it up any time soon but wouldn't it be awesome to see them zoom around Spa, actually hitting top speeds for longer, using attack mode, trying not to run out of battery with those elevation changes. It would add a whole new dimension of electric racing in my experience, especially if they're getting close to hitting F1 top speeds(maybe gen 4?)

    • @jerome8670
      @jerome8670 Рік тому +6

      @@frankhuurman3955 that was my thoughts also with the length the batteries can go …. Formula E is like a seasons worth of Monaco’s 😓 to much bumper car racing rather than strategy and technique for me still?
      Maybe it would be a great idea to race say at spa and have a car change for the batteries …almost like a relay race 🤓

    • @catlikearcher9955
      @catlikearcher9955 Рік тому +19

      They race on street circuits because it brings the racing into cities where electric cars are going to be most useful.

    • @jerome8670
      @jerome8670 Рік тому +1

      @@catlikearcher9955 ahhhh makes sense?

  • @arditb.4389
    @arditb.4389 Рік тому +192

    Love the vid, but something is wrong with the top speed comparison. Speeds of 350kph+ are very rarely seen in f1, while speed of 360kph+ are far more common in motogp. Really did MotoGP dirty with that obscure stat.

    • @Smzxe
      @Smzxe Рік тому +15

      2015 GP bike 362 kph in 900 meters top speed over 380+ kmph
      2016 F1 371 kmph on Monza
      2022 F1 cars are barely reaching 320 kph on some tracks
      And some 2022 F1 cars only reached 347 kmph on very long straights so they can still do 350 kph
      But 2015-2017 Era F1 cars were much faster in straights they were hitting 360+ kph easily
      I don't know much about F1 or Moto GP I don't watch them
      But I know basic things

    • @nestroit5010
      @nestroit5010 Рік тому +4

      yeah, even the 500ccm bikes before the 800ccm and 1 liter motogp bikes reached 340kph in mugello. lol. motogp bikes hit 360 easily the past years.

    • @vornamenachname913
      @vornamenachname913 Рік тому +28

      And 190kph for GT3 is laughably far off, they can get to 280-290, sometimes even 300kph

    • @my_4_brain_cells
      @my_4_brain_cells Рік тому

      yeah 350 hasnt been seen since 2016 and fe would also not be that fast

    • @ThatOnionispog
      @ThatOnionispog Рік тому

      well, this video is meant to compair the absolute maximum of the cars

  • @tdyerwestfield
    @tdyerwestfield Рік тому +78

    You've not given a fair shake to the bikes. Their record speed, recorded in 2022, was 363kph, their max speed is not 340kph as you've said in the video. The ride height device and holeshot devices, which have made the sport too dangerous, have massively increased acceleration speeds and improved traction. MotoGP hasn't raced at any of the 4 circuits selected either.

    • @stopsallmelb
      @stopsallmelb Рік тому +7

      Not sure why he didn't use Silverstone, as an example.

    • @AkachiGP
      @AkachiGP Рік тому +7

      Ride Height & Holeshot doesn't make MotoGP more dangerous, just a bit more complex and expensive to develop properly. Also they look really cool when engaged like transformers.

    • @tdyerwestfield
      @tdyerwestfield Рік тому +5

      @@AkachiGP When commonly used circuits are now being regarded as 'dangerous' because bikes are too fast for circuits to achieve required safety standards, then the devices that have made the bikes faster are too dangerous.

    • @AkachiGP
      @AkachiGP Рік тому +3

      @@tdyerwestfield very true, the faster the bikes the more run off areas you need and so on but, if MotoGP starts to ban every new tech brought into the sport, can we still refer to it as prototype racing, or WSBK 2.0

    • @tdyerwestfield
      @tdyerwestfield Рік тому +4

      @@AkachiGP They can keep the wings, but there comes a point when the bikes are uncontrollably fast and cannot be ridden safely, therefore devices improving traction and straight line speed may be banned on safety grounds.

  • @Hydaaar
    @Hydaaar Рік тому +52

    gt3 and Indycar top speed is far off. GT3s easily hit 270+ kph and maybe even near 300kph at a track like le mans. 370 kph as indycar’s top speed is also completely wrong. Scott Dixon set the fastest pole lap this year with 376 kph. Which is an average! Cars were hitting 390 kph and could go quicker if it didn’t have to turn to complete a lap around indy.
    The videos are usually great, but this one just seems lazy. F1 also doesn’t reach 360 kph without a slipstream, Monza qualifying today showed that they got just under 350 kph.
    I don’t know where your numbers are coming from. But they’re certainly not correct

    • @sweetcheels
      @sweetcheels Рік тому +2

      Its an F1 eccentric channel so the skewing of data made sense

    • @chadofchads7222
      @chadofchads7222 Рік тому +2

      Indy's are designed for top speed, obviously they'll be faster. If an f1 was designed for that, imagine the difference. They have over twice the horsepower, it's not even close

    • @Ceece20
      @Ceece20 Рік тому +3

      @@chadofchads7222 …you do know that horsepower does not equal top speed, right?
      Horsepower is for acceleration with some top speed, which is useful, but the top speed is just incidental. Aero matters more for top speed, which the Indycar would be better at since they have an entire package around that.
      If you wanted an F1 car to concentrate more on top speed, you would start by making an Indycar and modify it from there, but you wouldn’t be allowed to do that since F1 only does some specific major aero packages for some tracks (like the Italian GP for Ferrari).
      Indycar literally just has 3 separate cars that they rotate depending on Street/Track/Oval.

    • @chadofchads7222
      @chadofchads7222 Рік тому +1

      @@Ceece20 that's why i said, if it was built for that. Remove most of the aero packs from an f1

    • @crazydrummer181
      @crazydrummer181 Рік тому

      @@chadofchads7222 I don’t think anyone was trying to imply that F1 is inferior because IndyCar goes faster at certain tracks.

  • @gustavocastro706
    @gustavocastro706 Рік тому +23

    Well timed with that new graphic:
    Formula 1 car
    Safety car
    Family car

  • @ChickenHenne2
    @ChickenHenne2 Рік тому +53

    I usually enjoy your videos a lot but this one does not really live up to the usual quality standard. Many imperfections are mentioned in other comments but what bugs me most is that 3/4 of the MotoGP footage is from Moto 2 or Moto 3. Even a clip with sound...

    • @hhuhu6995
      @hhuhu6995 Рік тому

      The video overall is complet shit. Using Moto 2 & 3 footage for Moto GP is only one thing. There are so many wrong things showen in the video that i think its pure clickbait.

    • @monteiro5306
      @monteiro5306 Рік тому +1

      That's what I noticed...

    • @brandonpratt7324
      @brandonpratt7324 Рік тому +8

      "motogp" and shows red bull rookies cup on detuned moto3 bikes.

    • @OrioshQaaaa
      @OrioshQaaaa Рік тому +1

      Also this video is pretty much the same as the old video, sometimes word for word.

    • @sarezfx
      @sarezfx Рік тому +1

      Not even Moto3 but Red Bull Rookies cup, which is like showing karting footage instead of F1 cars 😂

  • @wiryantirta
    @wiryantirta Рік тому +24

    You should've included Super Formula and SuperGT500 cars since they both tend to surprise people when they find out that they can give Indycar and LMP1 respectively a run for their money.

  • @DrachenBlasen
    @DrachenBlasen Рік тому +54

    Would have loved to see Rallycross and Rally car stacked with all the others!

    • @alveolate
      @alveolate Рік тому +4

      they'd be even harder to compare since their race courses aren't even tracks...

    • @alexandersmith7777
      @alexandersmith7777 Рік тому

      That and even touring cars and v8 supercars.plus last time they had dtm.

    • @RichardHennigan
      @RichardHennigan Рік тому +6

      Technically WRC cars would be the slowest thing on this list, but I don't think you can really compare them with numbers. If you measure speed by how much it makes you shit your pants, I think a WRC car going 200kph through a Finland forest beats everything here except MotoGP (those guys are just insane).

    • @DrachenBlasen
      @DrachenBlasen Рік тому

      @@RichardHennigan Wrc cars yes both in lap times and probably 0-100km/h they take less then 4 seconds so they would probably be the last or some of the last in the list even if they have 4x4 system.
      Rallycross cars they in the 0-100km/h would probably beat everyone else since they take 1.8s to reach it

    • @tommyliddiard433
      @tommyliddiard433 Рік тому

      Not sure how you would compare them, maybe for WRX taking it's time through a small section of a course like Catalunya, and comparing it to F1, then for WRC, the only way I can think of would be to take the time from sector 2 at Spa during the Stavelot stage at Rally Belgium last year, and comparing that to F1 through that sector

  • @hersencell6880
    @hersencell6880 Рік тому +51

    “Gt3 has a top speed of 180.”
    Me, who’s gotten 285 at the end of the mistral straight at Paul Ricard: “dafuq?”

    • @void_snw
      @void_snw Рік тому +1

      Yup, weird little typo in the research / script I'm guessing

    • @MMM-wg2vm
      @MMM-wg2vm Рік тому +2

      That was my reaction too, and for nascar too. I had watched them reach 330, and i was confused when he said 319

    • @MaximoSirianidelCarril
      @MaximoSirianidelCarril Рік тому +1

      @@MMM-wg2vm NASCAR without restriction could get 380kmh at Daytona or even 390kph at Talladega

    • @belluh-1huey102
      @belluh-1huey102 Рік тому +1

      @@MaximoSirianidelCarril they got 215 mph in Michigan 2014 without help

    • @MaximoSirianidelCarril
      @MaximoSirianidelCarril Рік тому +1

      @@belluh-1huey102 michigan is intermediate and they run that track with a lower level of restriction. Thats why they dont get those speeds at Superspeedways

  • @ericjiang1045
    @ericjiang1045 Рік тому +32

    F1’s setup at COTA probably more similar to Silverstone than SPA.

  • @nicovandyk3856
    @nicovandyk3856 Рік тому +26

    It would be great to compare the last 20 years of F1 this way. Thanks for the awesome videos!!!

  • @Yappit
    @Yappit Рік тому +4

    Cool to be here this early. Glad to see that you've done an updated versrion, look forward to see results.

  • @narancs5
    @narancs5 Рік тому +11

    There are some strange parts: 7:18.
    If nascar with 321kph "comes just under 200mph" and you state in the intro that now Formula E cars have 200mph top speed, then how come they only have 280kph in your graph.

    • @FelixandtheSea
      @FelixandtheSea Рік тому +4

      Yeah he really messed up here, also with stating the top speed of the GT3 cars with 190kph which would be 118mph

    • @wjvandeneijkhof9038
      @wjvandeneijkhof9038 Рік тому +1

      This is because the 200mph is linked to the Gen3 Formula-E car that will run from 2023 onwards. Nagel continues that the 2022 Gen2 (if I recall correctly) has a top speed of 176mph.

    • @gregrowe1168
      @gregrowe1168 Рік тому

      Nascar racecars could go much faster with engine specs from a few years ago, minus the restrictor plates. Take them to a wide open surface like Bonneville Salt Flats and let them use their full 900 hp and highest gearing and they could go 240 mph. Indy Cars could probably run 270 mph there.

  • @mcco4492
    @mcco4492 Рік тому +35

    I might have missed it but where did the Indycar Spa time come from? Was it just the same formula applied from the other calculations? Just noticed that the Indycar time appeared on the graphic in between you discussing NASCAR and MotoGP. Thanks for the awesome content!

    • @psykkomancz
      @psykkomancz Рік тому +6

      My guess is it slipped out during editing.

    • @AyyLmaoZedong
      @AyyLmaoZedong Рік тому +37

      @@psykkomancz This whole video is very wonky. From the data to the editing at the end for example.

    • @xlMrJonaIx
      @xlMrJonaIx Рік тому +7

      indycar also raced at cota in 2019, so it's basically the same formula used for nascar and moto gp

    • @bern7851
      @bern7851 Рік тому +2

      I think he compared both times from cota, then got the percentage difference between both which was 23%, I think. Then he got the Spa time from Formula 1 and added the percentage time difference to make the Indycar time.

    • @aaronwestley3239
      @aaronwestley3239 Рік тому

      If you actually listened to him you'd actually understand how he got the indy car lap time estimation

  • @danimusat3491
    @danimusat3491 Рік тому +7

    I am preety sure that MotoGP should be higher at the top speed test.

  • @evguenicht4664
    @evguenicht4664 Рік тому +14

    9:23
    1m35 f1 lap is 95s, 2m12 nascar lap is 132s and difference is 39% longer or 28% shorter but not 28% longer
    So nascar theoretically should get a 2m23 lap time.
    Being faster than a gt3 at spa and much much slower on COTA is weird.
    And the top speed of gt3 is in mph

    • @Ceece20
      @Ceece20 Рік тому +1

      Yep, problem with making up numbers is when someone realizes how much they fudged lol

    • @evguenicht4664
      @evguenicht4664 Рік тому

      @@Ceece20 I really like all the different class and spa is a great place to compare them. GTE is faster than gt3 cause they have more grip even an open wheel with only 250 hp and 500 kg is faster due to grip too.
      So it really bugged me off when "with math" they said a 1500 kg chunky boy (dry without driver) with "a bit" of downforce is faster than a GTE or GT1 .

  • @Mr.Waffullz
    @Mr.Waffullz Рік тому +5

    Why didn't you include Super Formula and Super GT? The GT500 cars posted faster times than the pole Toyota LMH today at Fuji.

  • @Torero2901
    @Torero2901 Рік тому

    It's funny, I actually compared those laptimes of F1, F2 & F3 at Spa this year and you answered my questions and more with this video.
    I must say, a return to your content and presentation levels of before when you got your deserved team of now, good to see your passion makes you shine again solo.

  • @bboyjunyor
    @bboyjunyor Рік тому +10

    Let.s see the difference this time compared to the last one! 😁 thanks for the great content! 😁

  • @andresilva8444
    @andresilva8444 Рік тому

    Great stuff. Loved it a couple of years ago and loved it now too.

  • @joegaines8448
    @joegaines8448 Рік тому

    You really know your stuff about motorsports man I'm impressed, I had some painful tough days this year but I really am enjoying your content so much the more days I have the more engaged I be into your content, awesome bro awesome.👍👍😀😀

  • @stargazeronesixseven
    @stargazeronesixseven Рік тому +1

    Always wanted to know the Performance Side of the various Motorsports! Thank You So Much Driver61 Channel for the enjoyable to follow compilations! 🌷🌿

  • @wjvandeneijkhof9038
    @wjvandeneijkhof9038 Рік тому +36

    Although I love endurance prototypes, I think Nigel is overestimating the 0-60 times for the hypercars. They do have 4W drive but contrary to the old LMP1 hybrid, I believe the electric power may only be deployed from 120kmh (2021) and 190kmh (2022) to get the BoP in the hyperclass sorted. This would mean that all HY-class cars reach 60mph using only the internal combustion engine.

    • @Alan-ww8vi
      @Alan-ww8vi Рік тому

      LMP1s had the same restrictions too

    • @wjvandeneijkhof9038
      @wjvandeneijkhof9038 Рік тому +2

      @@Alan-ww8vi Are you sure? I remember that the old LMP1 hybrid were lightning fast when exiting especially slower speed corners because of the four wheel drive train. I do know that the older hybrid systems were more aggressive because of more freedom granted towards the mapping of the power curve (I.e. push to pass).

    • @DonatProdanSimRacing
      @DonatProdanSimRacing Рік тому +2

      Exactly this, can't believe they missed that.

    • @blankfiile
      @blankfiile Рік тому +1

      @@Alan-ww8vi only 4wd lmp1's from 2012 - 2013 had this restriction. (didnt even apply to the rwd toyota). from 2014 on there was no limits on 4wd

  • @rahulravishankar3152
    @rahulravishankar3152 Рік тому +6

    You know you could always hop into Assetto Corsa or something and send the IndyCars, Formula E's, MotoGP's and Nascars around Spa.

  • @ao4ispeed
    @ao4ispeed Рік тому +5

    Fun Fact:
    A Formula 1 car is 75 seconds faster than a family car

  • @myperspective5091
    @myperspective5091 Рік тому +6

    I would like to see a test conducted between different types of car styles where you would test the fastest cornering ability.
    You would create a 1 mile straight away and then at the end of the straightaway you would have the cars do a U-turn to have them cross a pendicular finish line. You would record the fastest 180 degree turn and the fastest exiting speed. You would compare the speeds to a range of radius.
    The cars could make a sharp turn or a really wide turn, The drivers could choose how slow or how fast they went down the straight away. The drivers would choose the radius.
    You would look for which is faster leaning, drifting, or high grip.

    • @Furious_Bananas
      @Furious_Bananas Рік тому

      a LONG straight to hairpin to a highspeed corner (flat) to a short straight and then a 90 degree turn to another short straight (to test exit speed) would be ideal. Alternating turning directions for tire reasons and possibly adding in a banked corner would probably be best though.

  • @nikaddam
    @nikaddam Рік тому

    What a great video. I did my research about this before by comparing lap times on tracks they raced before. I also included Super Formula (Japan), Super GT (Japan), DTM (Europe) & V8 Supercars (Australia). Maybe you could include these series in the future

  • @robstaccs6128
    @robstaccs6128 Рік тому +5

    How about Super Formula and GT500s from Super GT?

  • @MajesticDemonLord
    @MajesticDemonLord Рік тому

    I must admit, the little sound bite when you do the graph was awesome.

  • @bob_._.
    @bob_._. Рік тому +5

    I assume you added the lap time category to keep the NHRA from making everything else look like oxcarts - 11,000 hp, 330 mph (530 kph), 0 - 100 mph (0 - 160 kph) 0.8 sec

    • @gregrowe1168
      @gregrowe1168 Рік тому

      0-60 there is no other comparison on Earth. The only thing faster would be actual rockets.

  • @herbertkraft7379
    @herbertkraft7379 Рік тому +3

    Aaaand again, The Hybrid system in the Hypercar regulations can't be used under 190Kph (Or some other number, depending on the size of the weels) It's not a "Boost" as it was in the LMP1 Regulations but just a fancy Lift and Coast (Once the Electric Motor Powers up, the ICE powers down, the Max power stays the same) and sometimes "better Traction off high speed corners" aid. It's intended that way to level the playing field for smaller manufacturers that don't have the ressources to develop Hybrid systems. It makes it Attractive for People like Glickenhaus to still come with a non hybrid car.

  • @foxtox4755
    @foxtox4755 Рік тому

    These videos r always consistently great

  • @pdubsie
    @pdubsie Рік тому +1

    Thanks for this. Consider adding 100-200kp/h comparisons as well for next time?

  • @MrMoepz
    @MrMoepz Рік тому +1

    Cool video, but - and I don't know if you can get that data - comparing cornering speeds of the different series would be really interesting. Take something like Eau rouge, and some hairpin. Then compare the average, lowest and/or highest speeds in those corners. I'm guessing F1 would take all the slow and medium corners, as well as most high speed corners, but who knows. It would be amazing if you could do a video on that. Cheers!

  • @Popcorn-vq6ut
    @Popcorn-vq6ut Рік тому +2

    No way that the Nascar is faster than the GTE around Spa.

  • @sam90o48
    @sam90o48 Рік тому +4

    Small update form last 1 year or so MotoGP started to have aero dynamic parts Which actually create a lot of down force and the teams are hiring F1 aero engineering as we'll to improve on it so the current MotoGP bikes do have some aero bits to help them

    • @sam90o48
      @sam90o48 Рік тому

      Also MotoGP is going to race at spa

  • @TimO-fx5hf
    @TimO-fx5hf Рік тому +2

    You could get Jimmy to run a sim test for some kind of guestimation-work :)

  • @lemans_news_and_stories
    @lemans_news_and_stories Рік тому +3

    Some points to be mentioned: BoP series like WEC or GT3 series never let the cars race at full potential. Toyotas hypercar f.e. is only allowed to boost its hybrid power at 190 kph, therefore could be much faster if allowed to boost straight on. Todays LMP2 are also nerved extremly due to now slower Hypercars. Also GT3 cars top speed is completly a BoP thing. At Daytona they were as fast as GTEs on the straights.
    Btw: Were would be GT1 cars or LMP1 be?

  • @aniketmeshram6598
    @aniketmeshram6598 Рік тому

    We are eagarly to see Praga content!
    This content would be soo wonderful and insightfull!
    Heartly
    Congratulations for joining the BRIT CAR Championship!
    I was pretty damn surprised to hear your name "Driver61" during race!

  • @Haksdo2
    @Haksdo2 Рік тому +20

    The topspeed comparisons with Indycars I always find so weird. The indycars driving at say the Indy 500 are very different from the indycars driving at the normal tracks or street circuits. This meaning totallt different bodywork, steering, gearing etc.
    If you want to do a more realistic comparison you would be better off judging them as two different vehicles all together.

    • @trevg7253
      @trevg7253 Рік тому +1

      They do not change the body work at all. It’s the same they adjust it just like f1 does for different tracks. Ofc steering and gearing ratios change like all motorsports do with different tracks. Not so weird after all

    • @DavidGossettMusic
      @DavidGossettMusic Рік тому +10

      @@trevg7253 There are 3 different aero packages in IndyCar. Road, Short Oval, and Oval/Speedway. The short oval spec essentially removes the top element of the front and rear wings, and the oval spec/speedway runs the fully trimmed aero spec with a downgrade in turbo boost. IndyCars could run much faster in super speedway spec, but don't for safety reasons. Back in the CART days before the Handford device came in cars were occassionally hitting 250mph/400kph.
      While IndyCar currently has a less sophisticated aero package in road course spec, the pre-"Universal Aero Kit" era had front wings that rivaled F1 in complexity. (Look up the 2015 Honda IndyCar aero spec, it's insane how much it changed.) The spec aero they run now was for the same reason as F1's aero redesign, to improve the competitiveness of the series.

    • @xeroxasaurus9883
      @xeroxasaurus9883 Рік тому +1

      It’s the same car/chassis. different modular parts attached or removed. Like how F1 has a totally different wings/floor/body work at Monaco than they do Monza. Technically still the same car though.

    • @trevg7253
      @trevg7253 Рік тому +3

      @@DavidGossettMusic bro you didn’t need to go into full research mode in a UA-cam comment section

    • @ryanwhitlock7350
      @ryanwhitlock7350 Рік тому +3

      @@trevg7253 Don't blame him for going full research mode when you didn't know what you were talking about lol. IndyCar has 3 aero kits, similar to how F1 teams have different specs for high or low downforce tracks. It's not that different.

  • @JaviCS016
    @JaviCS016 Рік тому +1

    Great update. Next time, please try adding Super Formulas, as I understand that they are the second fastest open-wheel racing cars in terms of lap time

  • @edv1912
    @edv1912 Рік тому +1

    Would gaming simulation of these vehicles [ formula e, moto gp, nascar etc ] on the Spa circuit give an accurate lap time ? Could this be tried please ?

  • @wimvanderschelden1369
    @wimvanderschelden1369 Рік тому +5

    Shame this doesn't include WRC or Super Formula. But I understand WRC would be hard to compare given we don't really have track times to compare or analyze.

    • @giratina_86
      @giratina_86 Рік тому +2

      Super formula are faster than f2

  • @johnniewalker39
    @johnniewalker39 Рік тому

    GREAT video!

  • @tonyhawkization
    @tonyhawkization Рік тому +3

    Although we still lack of comparable lap time, but you also need to include underrated series such as Super Formula and Super GT. You might want to include current DTM as well, since they are using what literally a slightly buffed GT3 formula cars, and their calendar is similar to what other series that use GT3 formula are running too.

    • @LucasSouza023
      @LucasSouza023 Рік тому +2

      SuperGT are way faster than GTE's or GT3's, and nobody gives the credit to superGT cars...

    • @tonyhawkization
      @tonyhawkization Рік тому +1

      @@LucasSouza023 I agree with you man. The series even implementing success ballast, having crazy aeros, no overtake assistance and with ongoing tyres war, the cars would still have the same pace with non-hybrid LMP-1 (e.g Rebellion R-13). They're insanely fast and still managed to stick on most corners, for a GT formula series, that's pretty batshit.

  • @GT_177
    @GT_177 Рік тому

    Thanks I really enjoyed the vi

  • @nehylen5738
    @nehylen5738 Рік тому +3

    Nice to have this to get a rough idea. It's lacking one discipline still: the Japanese Super Formula, which I assume would be close to Indycar.

  • @marcusburger1523
    @marcusburger1523 Рік тому +3

    I think you forgot to change mph to kph on the gte car as 190 seems a bit slow for a race car and fe does 320 in gen 3, as you mentioned in the beginning.

  • @AtZero138
    @AtZero138 Рік тому

    I Love Racing.. all times.. I've watched all but the F2 & F3 .. Very cool to see this . And also how The Brick Shaped Nascar stacked up against.. well modern Fast looking GT cars.. thanks for this ...

  • @cashmasters99
    @cashmasters99 Рік тому

    I would love to see an IRL drag race of all these cars haha

  • @badenwheeler6890
    @badenwheeler6890 Рік тому +1

    Chevrolet: Shows lines of air moving smoothly over one of the least aerodynamic race cars

  • @gearhead2519
    @gearhead2519 Рік тому

    We should just get all of these types of cars together in one BIG Motorsport Event and see them tear through the track in order to check which Racing Class does what, what are their advantages, their weaknesses, and basically just solving all of this easily!

  • @gabrielhoy6790
    @gabrielhoy6790 Рік тому

    Could you do a blast-from-the-past comparison with modern era race cars vs older generations? I'd be curious to see a lineup of a Porsche 917 vs a Jaguar XJR-9 vs today's Hypercar and LMP2.

  • @streetburner15
    @streetburner15 Рік тому +1

    hey can we get vids when you do racing like i just saw you in praga from broadbent and would love to see a video from you in that sort of style

  • @KeManYT
    @KeManYT Рік тому +1

    I've always said all racing disaplins deserve respect

  • @yashamin5848
    @yashamin5848 Рік тому +1

    Both KTM and Ducati have 363kmph as the highest top speed recorded, while KTM also has an unofficial top speed record of 367 kmph

  • @Jalingzah123
    @Jalingzah123 8 місяців тому +1

    A Nascar without a restricted engine would be miles ahead of the competition, having a top speed of 436kph (271mph)

  • @monteiro5306
    @monteiro5306 Рік тому

    Scott : Moto GP at Mugello, 29/5/2022 reached 363.6 km/h. (Three hundred and sixty-three point six kilometers per hour). New record for the category.

  • @jadefilm4369
    @jadefilm4369 Рік тому

    a retrospect comparison to today would be interesting: Porsche 962, Mazda 878B, Group C, Group B and DTM

  • @JohnGrahambeehive
    @JohnGrahambeehive Рік тому +1

    Given the introduction of the electric cars , can you include torque next time? Thanks

  • @james45478
    @james45478 8 місяців тому

    A good companion video would be a comparison of race demands on the driver. Max G force, average g force, heat, speed (reaction time as in which is the most forgiving), etc

  • @Maccaroney
    @Maccaroney Рік тому

    There should be one circuit that all race series' race at each year so we can compare them all. :)

  • @adriandamaso3847
    @adriandamaso3847 Рік тому

    I was literally thinking about this last night 😂

  • @PetrolHead_Works
    @PetrolHead_Works Рік тому

    Absolutely incredible.

  • @tomwallach
    @tomwallach Рік тому

    I'm a big Formula E fan but 2:10 around Spa seems quite fast considering they basically drive with all-weather street tires and don't have any meaningful Aero.
    But thank you for including FE in this comparison.

  • @Dochartach
    @Dochartach Рік тому +1

    Would be nice to see the GT500 cars of SuperGT on this graph

  • @Ausknutz
    @Ausknutz Рік тому

    You made a mistake when you said the only tracks F1 and FE race is Monaco. They also both race at Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez in Mexico. But overall nicely done!

  • @AbrahamArthemius
    @AbrahamArthemius Рік тому

    A bit of corrections for Hypercar.
    The hybrid system is only allowed for the front axle if the manufacturers decided to go AWD and there's also LMDh cars that uses a spec hybrid system powering the rear wheels only.

  • @AujiTheSquirrel
    @AujiTheSquirrel Рік тому +1

    Who edited this video? Or researched the info? This is not the Driver61 quality we all know and love. I’m saddened.
    I do love these types of comparison videos though.

  • @philiptclark23
    @philiptclark23 Рік тому

    I'd like to see Aus/NZ V8 supercars included in one of these videos one day

  • @danielkinard30
    @danielkinard30 Рік тому

    Talking about motogp, while showing Red bull rookie cup footage drives me crazzzzyyy 😂😂

  • @Marcel_be
    @Marcel_be Рік тому

    9:29 well, Sainz got pole with a 1:34:356, but in both Q1 and Q2, the fastest times were 1:35:2xx
    so that's a pretty spot on prediction.

  • @Cloxxki
    @Cloxxki Рік тому

    I didn't know that about GTE. They are very restricted then probably. DTM used to be at LMP2 level until they switched to GT3 rules.

  • @joparicutin
    @joparicutin Рік тому

    Can you please make a video on the sale price of all these cars? Thanks

  • @recordedanemone6399
    @recordedanemone6399 Рік тому +1

    drag racers: hold my beer...

  • @ahmadomar6737
    @ahmadomar6737 Рік тому +1

    Interesting video. But some very weird cuts

  • @parkerwalsh3340
    @parkerwalsh3340 Рік тому +1

    This year at Michigan and auto club, NASCAR was hitting speeds of over 206 into turn 1

    • @herewegoagain7403
      @herewegoagain7403 Рік тому

      avg is still below 200 if you watch the entire season

    • @parkerwalsh3340
      @parkerwalsh3340 Рік тому

      @@herewegoagain7403 yes but he’s looking at best speeds. Even late into runs there your still 200+ on the straights.

    • @herewegoagain7403
      @herewegoagain7403 Рік тому

      @@parkerwalsh3340 you can’t get best top speed if it is restricted. Pretty irrelevant, lap times isn’t

    • @parkerwalsh3340
      @parkerwalsh3340 Рік тому

      @@herewegoagain7403 the cars currently are restricted to 670 so they hit 200+ by the end of the straight. Unrestricted were thinking 220+. Look at 2014, 207 into turn one at kansas!

  • @munaclassic4020
    @munaclassic4020 Рік тому

    fun update about COTA times really good estimate with the actual record this year being a 1:34.356 by Carlos Sainz

  • @stunimbus1543
    @stunimbus1543 Рік тому

    How much of a problem is caused by GT3 being slower than LMP1? I imagine it could be a bit risky - or do the quick drivers have to be more cautious?

  • @devongenereux1656
    @devongenereux1656 Рік тому

    i appreciate a comparison without the stupid "which one is better" debate. I love how many different race series are out there. from Sprint cars drifting around dirt ovals to Top Fuel dragsters crushing 300Mph in a few seconds to F1 getting around a circuit as fast as automotivally possible

  • @franciscomateosdiaz6194
    @franciscomateosdiaz6194 Рік тому +4

    Te faltan uno de los modelos que más corren Los Super GT Japonés ! Son impresionantemente rápidos

  • @connermeyers3963
    @connermeyers3963 Рік тому

    “I did some clever calculations” did you Scott? Did you? Callum might be fuming

  • @jacekpacuszka1542
    @jacekpacuszka1542 Рік тому +2

    Sir I must protest where is Super formula?

  • @mattiabenedetti4427
    @mattiabenedetti4427 Рік тому

    It would have been cool of you added SuperFormula and SuperGt from Japan. Those are also important competitions.

  • @j_oliveira4442
    @j_oliveira4442 Рік тому

    Good! Cant wait for the neee...

  • @DonLee1980
    @DonLee1980 Рік тому +1

    Wrong. New Gen3 Formula E cars are 840kg with the driver weight already included. That's actually lighter than what F1 cars in race trim most of the time. Shows how long aways FE cars have come, and how heavy F1 cars have become.

  • @jamar959
    @jamar959 Рік тому

    Good video. I'm a huge fan of F1. But IMO - Top Fuel dragsters / Funny Cars should at least get an honorable mention for the 0-60 times. Yes, the race is over in seconds, but HP of 10 F1 cars! G forces that could make you black out! And seeing the speeds in person (530kph!) is almost hard to comprehend! Cheers.

  • @cauritauant6428
    @cauritauant6428 Рік тому +1

    hey scott you should talk in a vid about Praga cup

  • @weevilsnitz
    @weevilsnitz Рік тому +1

    I'm a little sad to not see DPi included as they race against LMP2 and LMP3 in IMSA in North America, making 600HP, just under LMH but being about 70kg lighter than LMH. Also especially since the upcoming LMDh is essentially DPi 2.0 for the Le Mans series.
    Although they only race in Na so you'd have to restrict it to NA tracks... But you included NASCAR!

    • @fredericauger8573
      @fredericauger8573 Рік тому

      Yes DPi should definitely be feature here as I thing there actually faster Than the hypercar

  • @marc59056
    @marc59056 Рік тому +2

    Next comparison, how many errors are in this comparison

  • @wss33
    @wss33 Рік тому +1

    A MotoGP bike could most likely do 400 km/h if they were given a long enough straight. They have to brake much earlier than cars. And F1 and MotoGP have insane 0-200 and 0-300 acceleration.

  • @xdeltablue7677
    @xdeltablue7677 Рік тому

    Would love to see a V8 Super Car in the mix for the next one of these to see how they stack up to other racing series!