F1's Latest Problem Has Arrived
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- Опубліковано 6 кві 2024
- F1 is really not giving its fans what they deserve - exciting on-track moments. But WEC is... And a lot of teams that WERE considering F1 are flooding to the sport - but why?
Today we're discussing WEC. What it is, why it has suddenly become SO interesting, and why it's becoming a problem for F1.
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May I ask to those who know, how the WEC target budget differs when compared to the budget cap in F1? Why spending more money in WEC doesnt bring more value to the team? The details were not explained in the video. Thanks!
Great question. Essentially they can spend as much as they want but they aren’t allowed to spend on the car - I’ll pin it so someone can give a more in-depth explanation 🙌🏼
Since the Power, Drag coefficient, energy per stint, and weight are all hard coded by the rules. Spending more money developing the car doesn't give you a significant advantage. Getting to know the car you already have and focusing on stategy has way more impact on the race results. After last year's of experience, most of the new teams have caught up and often surpasses toyota's pace. Since the start of the 2024 season, the winning factor has been either driver error, safty car luck or shear fucking good strategy calls.
F1 is like a tv drama with a motorsport in the background. Everything off track is more interesting than anything on track.
This year has proved that more than anything 🤣
That's not true. The inundation of news this year has killed my interest. Thank God max and carlos are doing what they're doing or I wouldn't be watching at all
As an avid F1 fan I agree
@@jakemorganGP Some balance of performance would fix F1 overnight. But its too taboo. Which is a shame. F1 has dark days ahead. The new power units are a tragedy.
@@mvd4436 I remember when merc were dominating RB and the rest of the grid wear lobbying the FIA to ban every single innovation merc came up with but ever since RB started dominating there's been dead silence...
plus some of the teams live stream their 24h race views, for free on youtube.
Getting pinned mate 💪🏼
For sure, i know that peugeot livestream the inboard camera of both car free on their youtube channel. Also the wec youtube channel post the full race a few days later and also highlights of the race.
Nascar also makes all of their races watchable for free on UA-cam, after they held it.
I just checked and both Ferrari and cadillac livestream their inboards.
Nah wec live streamed the whole thing
WEC: the pinnacle of Motorsport
Heard it here first 😉
For real bro they got innovation,speed,strategy,And fun battles for positions.
Exactly. It takes a whole other level of engineering and river prowess to make those cars run the full 24 hours. They’re incredible machines.
mx-5 is the actual pinnacle of all sports
Translation: the one driver that I don't like doesn't win in WEC like the driver I hate in F1 @@user-sk2rv2no4i
another thing is, when we get lots of overatakes, they arent memorable. They are really just repeats with drs and quite easy. There arent many memorable battles and crazy jockeying for position.
Great point. E.g. Perez’s overtakes into 130R at Japan today were very meh compared to how insane Schumacher’s move were back in the 00’s
@@jakemorganGPthat isn’t a year infinity isn’t
Nah that means the early 2000’s 🤣
True!!!! Remove DRS altogether imo, make flexible reggs, im saying the obvious i know but you can’t overstate it
@adamsteinmetz3223 exactly. Their are fundemental flaws in F1 regs atm. Like why have a limit on engines/weight/fuel flow with a cost cap??
Not only WEC, IMSA as well is much more entertaining. I paid 400£ for F1 Silverstone, and this year, i paid 50£ for hole Lemans 24 event. Pinnacle of endurance racing for much less money.
Exactly bro. It just makes sense
What he has just described is that the public value WEC far lower. It becomes a threat when tracks fall over themselves to host events to sell tickets for large prices @jakemorganGP
50 pounds my ass, but yes. I went to portimão for cheap last year.
@@josesammut9396? Le Mans was like 70/80euros last year but it used to be around 50 and less before 2023
@@josesammut9396maybe not 50 but I think 2021 and 2022 were 59€
the W in WEC standard for “worth watching”
WWEC 😂
WEC: look at me look at me, *Im the pinnacle of Motorsport now*
🤣🤣🤣. It do be like this tho!
it has always been. I’m beginning to dislike the sudden rise of IMSA/WEC and F1 fans now watching it.
Lmp2 and GT3 have always been the better sport. Better teams, better drivers, better events… and the technologies that directly correlate to real world applications.
The Fans are better. Less dumb celebrities… just the perks of not being as popular as F1.
@@onedriftyboyLebron waved the flag at Le Mans 2023, the signs are there
@@xnotasweatxabout time Liberty Media purchase it and make half the races street racing
@ammarisrar2005 i have a feeling they might do that soon. They just got rejected from buying Indycar so they got MotoGP instead. They gonna collect motorsport like infinity stones i think
Another big element is Hypecar is 2 different types of cars. You explain the LM Hypercars but there is also LMDh which is the successor to DPi (which followed blueprints of the Corvette DP), LMDh cars only supply the engine and bodywork, the chassis is supplied off of one of the LMP2 manufacturers which is an easier barrier of entry for teams looking to cut cost with the lost of a bit of innovation
Great point. Getting pinned
Two things, WEC needs a better management of their youtube channel to make it more accessible to fans around the globe, and it does NEED to stay very far away from the drama narrative like F1 is pushing, especially with drive to survive and everything related to social media. Who would have thought that making a good racing series would be successful, instead of a reality tv show with very expensive cars?
That's across the board. IMSA and Indy have been consistently better for years, but the marketing teams are minimal or the network deals make it obnoxious for locals and impossible for Europeans to easily follow.
Super GT does a decent job too, but I wish F1's highlights department could just be hired by every series lmao. Which F1 HAS to be good with it's marketing to sell it's "Racing" every weekend as a spectacle of drama and suspense.
Their UA-cam is perfect for everyone except America; you guys are locked out of it by capitalism. Get a VPN and enjoy the channel!
Also, there is a distinct effort to differentiate Full Access from drive to survive. WEC doesn't have F1's toxicity, we all basically go for everyone. 🙂
What are you talking about? WEC posts the races, in their entirety, for free to YT the week after the event. Does F1 do that?
@@MrKruger88 posting the races doesn't funnel new interest like well produced highlights and lead up stings.
@@isocuda Drivel. WEC posts the entire qualifying & races, also posts highlight/recap packages and then Full Access arrives two weeks later. What more can anyone ask for.
We don't want to be like F1, that sport is a piece of shit.
F1 has lost America to NASCAR and is losing everywhere else to WEC.
Facts 🗣️
i'd say NASCAR and IMSA
And Indycar
@@thijs6758 Indy, WEC, and NASCAR all put on consistently better shows than F1 basically
@@alucard3980 IMSA!
F1, the 48 hours of monaco with 15 construcors, imagine that, half the grid dnf before halfway through
Hehe. @F1 make it happen!
who hurt Cadillac!! Jesus that engine just is insane.
Fr fr
Thats the sound of freedom 🦅🇺🇸
They’ve had a similar engine in DPi for years
Have you heard the Garage 56 NASCAR before?
@diethersantos6404 it sounds insane
F1 is a rich man’s club, and you are not invited.
😭😭😭
Even Mario Andretti isn't allowed in.
@geehammer1511 interesting that you say that. Gunther Steiner made a really interesting comment on The Race’s podcast saying that Andretti wasn’t rejected completely, just that they should join from 2028 (icr the exact year)
@@jakemorganGP didn't know that lol crazy being told "you can't join yet wait 4 years then we'll let you in the club"
F1 saying that to GM is a bold choice, given they're multiples larger than F1 and have lobbyists.
100% GM's legal team got to work and sent the cliff notes to the House.
I'm ironically going to my first WEC race this year and skipping F1. The price difference is insane...not to mention F1 being utterly predictable.
Which race mate?
@@shashankars3632 Lone Star Le Mans probably, considering the price difference mentioned.
I went to Monza for the GP in 2019, general admission, cannot even access the grandstands, which *coincidentally* obstructed the live TV screen, €99.
This year, I went to Imola just a couple of weeks ago, found a seat facing the big screen right next to the pit lane entry, enjoyed the whole 6 hours with both dry and wet conditions and completely skipped the F1 live broadcast on that day, €47. (Minus €5 if preörder the ticket a few months earlier.)
Considering the inflation of the recent years, I’d say “great value, worth a try!”
Is f1 losing teams to wec when they aren't even letting new ones in?
Yes the FOM is stupid and self centered like that
Kind of. There are wayyy more teams behind the scenes that are in meetings and talks with the FIA and F1 teams to try and enter (e.g. Porsche) but don’t get what they need to be able to make it work (either financially or commercially). We only know about Andretti and Porsche because they have been open about it. If you asked ppl in the F1 paddock, you’d hear about so many different teams that have courted F1 to assess entering after 2021.
@@jakemorganGP Honestly my jaw dropped like 20 ft when i heard the news about why F1 wouldn't let Andretti join for 2026, absolute nonsense...
@@thijs6758
Yeah it's a boys club and they ain't letting anyone else in
the WEC and gt3 ferari team is the "best of the rest" of the old ferrari f1 team. they had to cut down their team and spending by 50% if i remember correctly.
The problem that the WEC has over F1 is that it is more difficult to follow along with, keeping an eye on 20 cars in 10 different liveries is hard for someone who doesn't watch much racing, but watching 60 cars in 3 different classes with 3 different drivers across a 24 hours race is impossible if you don't know the drivers beforehand.
I can sit down with my mum for instance and watch an F1 race and she knows what's going on, I sit down with her and stick on a WEC race and she hasn't got a clue.
Why's he getting out of the way of him? Different class
What does that mean? They're different cars they're not actually racing each other
So who is he racing? The other GT cars
What's that thing? It's a delta wing
So that's in it's own class? No
But it's a different car? It doesn't have to make sense.
Obviously an old example chucking the delta wing in there but you get my point, WEC is just harder to watch for non fans.
Haha yeah. WEC is like that women with the equations meme fr. But even if you just focused the hypercars for 24 hours it’s amazing. And the added difficulty of passing the other classes whilst battling is a great twist
Yep. The regulations need to improve in a way that can form a single class. Then maybe only have 2 classes at LM since the track is too big for 36~40 cars of WEC alone. The less classes the better. Watching first round of WEC this season with my sister's husband (who, like your mon, gets F1 easily but always confused with multiclass) was a lot easier. But IMSA... forget it, the LMP2 make people very confused.. With the LMP3 was even worse lol
But WEC being 2 classes only and the different shape of the cars made things much easier.
Dude, why worry about any of that when HA HA HA FAST CAR GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ALL NIGHT?
True but I remember as a kid seeing the 24 hours of le man with my eyes glued to the screen WEC isn't about the drivers or cars in it of themselves ITS THE TEAM
@@amgoneisdope that's part of being a kid tho, just being able to fixate your mind onto one thing for hours and hours at a time. I watch it in its entirety almost every year but that's because its a spectacle of racing and I'm a racing fan, f1 can far more easily draw in non racing fans, f1 is the gateway drug to motorsport, wec is crystal meth 😂
Quite the karma-back in 90s one man forced down the sports car racing to keep F1's throne of the pinnacle, but look at how things goes now.
Yep. This is what Bernie gets for killing Group C, a series he was supposed to nurture. Revenge is best eaten cold.
🥶 🥪
A few notes:
- The fields spread in F1 qualifying has never been closer. Yeah, in race trim it seems to be a different matter, but the current rules have made the gap between the front and the back smaller than it has ever been.
- While it is fantastic to see a healthy grid in WEC, I have doubts this will continue for a very long time. Why would any of the participating manufacturers stay in a sport that they do not do well in? Finishing P15 in WEC is surely something that no corporate board would like to see (the same applies to F1 or any other racing).
- And finally, comparing endurance racing to shorter races is like comparing apples and oranges. For example, in track and field competition, is the 100 m sprint better than marathon?
Having said this, as an F1 fan for almost 30 years, I'm definitely looking forward to Le Mans -- probably more than any of the Grands Prix this year.
Great points. They are two very different sports, both at the pinnacles of each sub-division of world motorsport.
But… manufacturers can spend less and be more likely to win in WEC than F1, which makes it much more desirable than F1. Of course, if a team isn’t going to be fully invested within that budget, then of course they wont be competitive, but then they shouldn’t enter the sport. The due diligence process is huge for these top echelons of sport, so I have no doubt that the teams that enter are going to be committed (at least in the Hypercar class).
Thanks for watching tho mate. I’m the same as you, the only race I was desperate to attend this year was Le Mans but I didn’t get tickets in time 😭
the field spread is cool and all, but it doesn't seem to have made it any less predictable- the bottom 5 teams have barely been able to challenge the top 5 at all
F1 has Been dead for the past 20 years. it's a joke of a sport.
"While it is fantastic to see a healthy grid in WEC, I have doubts this will continue for a very long time."
Well, this is just sports cars being sports cars, it always implode at some point mostly because there isn't enough viewers to sustain the spending.
However current regulations kinda take the path of GT3. So while it may lose some manufacturers it's a format that can either get them back or keep most of current ones in the series with little changes. For example, any manufacturer can join GT3 without being afraid of being embarrassed. LMH is going in that direction with its regulations. There is still lots of openings (like unlimited testing) and very slow cars when they are new. But it'll improve. Took a long time but we finally got to that point.
thats what BoP is meant for, so all teams have a level playing field and no one manufacturer keeps winning the races
Also F1 treats their drivers as celebrities rather than actual drivers with their mini games and Q&As and even when you apply for an F1 team like Andretti , other teams will complain to the FIA cause they’re greedy and when the FIA was met with this problem, instead of just being them and letting Andretti all in, they rejected them a entry for 2026, in WEC (like you said) doesn’t have that problem and they can be the FIAs new golden child if F1 decide to not make anything different and for rookies, teams would rather go for old and experienced drivers just for more succession than giving rookies their big break, and to summarize F1 right now, they act like spoiled brats trying to always make money rather than give good racing, fight me in the reply section
F1 is definitely a charades game and a lot of politics. WEC is just quietly going about it’s business to become an actually decent championship and give teams what they want AND fans what they want. I don’t see why WEC isn’t a win-win for everyone involved. F1 needs to watch out big time
The WEC has closer races after 24 hours than most F1 races. Watching them banging it out for the lead in the last hour (or 15 minutes for Daytona) is amazing.
F1 is a tech series, imsa/wec is endurance/racing series. Fundamentally they are different philosophies.
Even with cost cap, it doesnt close up the gap if a team doesnt get the aero or engine philosophy right the first time. If you want racing, go endurance, if you like tech with drivers to bring the cars to its limit go with f1
Interesting take. I would argue that WEC is still giving the best balance of both for prospective manufacturers tbf. Least restrictive and way cheaper too
Endurance was always about tech until the new regs. Endurance was always a laboratory pushing for car innovation. LMP1 and Audi set the Diesel revolution. Endurance racing was always about building the fastest and most reliable cars.
Combining LMH with LMDh just make it a near spec series. LMH follows the philosophy Proto endurance racing always had. LMDh not.
@@MrRouxs LMDh is still innovating, as you're allowed to do anything with the engine, styling, etc. just not the chassis.
There's at least as much tech in an LMH as there is in an F1, if not more. Certainly there's vastly more driver control from the cockpit. Every F1 driver from the last five years has said so.
Even though multiclass racing can be a bit confusing at times I love it because if one class isn't really doing anything you can just take a look at the other classes to find some action.
I’ve been watching F1 live for just under a year now, and, it’s been alright. But this year I tuned in to watch the 24hrs of Daytona, and it Absolutely blew me away. It had close competitive racing, and it was just insane to see how much better than F1 it was. I’ve switched from being an F1 fan to now watching IMSA (also, you can watch IMSA for free), NASCAR, and WEC
Ima have to watch IMSA now. Where can I watch it?
@@jakemorganGPUA-cam live or they upload the entire replay pretty much immediately.
If you’re outside the USA it’s free to watch on IMSA TV
Also I think what's worth mentionning is that in WEC the stars are the cars which is way more sane imo. There is more respect and less ego between the teams, and the fanbase is more sane than the F1's too. Despite having our own team, we can enjoy all the cars
Cost cap, bigger cars, shitty ground effects regulations, 1 team and driver dominating, DTS, no real championship fight, just some issues F1 has. Ever since Abu Dhabi 21 F1 becoming more of a circus.
I think we all were all so starved of action then we got the season of a lifetime in 2021 and have had withdrawals ever since lmao
so you want merc dominance from 2014-2021 back? 6/7 driver titel and 7/7 constructors? and you whine about redbull...
@@thekamikaze789 he never said specifically red bull. 1 team and 1 driver dominating is simply bad.
@@thekamikaze789 Merc didn't dominate in 2021. I think everyone can safely say they want seasons like 2021 every year.
The issue in f1 is not really that the cars are that far of each other, look at the quali times differences from now and from any other time(closest ever), but the dirty air which makes it so difficult to race as it causes the drivers to be more spread out during the race and makes overtaking so difficult.
wanted to add this as i think many people dont understand that even if everyone was driving the rb20 we won’t have races like 2010 and 2012.(quali would be more fun tbf)
Fair point. Dirty air is a massive factor. But look at 2021. Closely matched cars gave us a title fight. The issue this season (and the last two) have been that the red bull is like 1 second a lap quicker in race trim
And tires, prototypes also struggle with dirty air but they have tires that aren’t manipulated to fall off quickly, having teams being within a second of each other for hours is common, the tires in endurance racing are bulletproof compared to f1 ( of course having traffic every 20 minutes also helps )
As a casual motorsport fan my main issue with WEC is the fact the races are so long I definatly agree the on track action is better then in F1 I just don't like sitting down and watch a 6 hour race I tend to just watch the highlights.
Completely get it. I don’t have the time to sit down and watch them either. But I’m planning to have a watch party for the 24 hours of le mans with my friends so it’s cool if you can make events out of them (and because there aren’t many races in the season, it’s easier to do it for the few big races every year
🤣 attention span of a goldfish
I get that, endurance racing is definitely a lot to keep up with. IMSA has some shorter races (In the 1 hour 40 minutes or just under 3). They go by faster than you might think.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LEMANS IS OFFICIALLY BACK
I don´t like WEC BOP because people just sandbag their way around it. The way to solve predictable seasons is to open up the rules and allow teams to experiment as much as they like in a safe manor. You can mandate just a few things like fuel type, ride height and car length etc and just allow the poor teams to catch up with creativity. It´s what made racing great in the 80´s and 90´s until the investment firms started getting involved.
It's already the case! BoP is just there to accomodate LMDh and LMH. The rules are build on the performance window concept. Meaning the rules set a performance ceiling. You can't get above this aero coefficient, this amount of power and this minimum weight then you can nearly build the car whatever way you want. That's how Peugeot could come up with a wingless car. You can come with or without hybrid, a V12 or a Inline 4 if you think it's relevant...
And that's a major factor in reducing costs. LMH is the way to go! Add on top of that a budget cap and you can even more control costs.
Without bop it would just hasten the cycle of costs increasing and manufacturers pulling out.
@@trekkie1701e yeah, but imo it kinda stains the event. It works on GT3 because that's fundamentally designed for ""amatuers"" and want plenty of different car makes, but for WEC I feel it makes things artificial sometimes
@@MrRouxs imagine Koenigsegg showing up with their inline 3...
@@alaeriia01I’ve seen people saying egg would dominate but they just wouldn’t, they have no racing experience at all
The biggest sell of WEC for me… Was the fact that I saw much better and more exciting racing in one hour of WEC compared to one F1 race.
🤷🏻♂️
I love WEC, but I'm personally more tuning into IMSA this year (american counterpart with daytona24h and sebring12h) since my two alltime favourite drivers are racing there, on the same team too (Filipe Albuquerque and Louis Deletraz). Shame LMP2 got cut, would've loved to watch them race in WEC again this year.
I was gutted that LMP2 isnt in it. It’s such a great intermediate class. At least it’s still at Le Mans…
@@jakemorganGP Yeah! Just gotta find a legal way to watch WEC again, IMSA streams their stuff free on their website (location dependant) so just gotta pull out the wallet haha!
@LOstere haha for sure. Compared to F1 tho, it’s a steal!
I'm not going to lie - i stopped watching F1, a couple years back, (~2021). Back them i switched to WEC/ IMSA, and i got completely hooked. Granted, i didn't switch because of any reasons mentioned - but rather because of assetto corsa competizione. regardless, i love the series and am amazed by the rise it recenty has had.
After 40 years of uninterrupted watching of F1 (live 2002 in Montreal, 2004 at Spa (Schumachers last world championship), 2007 (Hamilton's first win) & 2008 in Montreal and 2023 at Silverstone) and 10 years of Le Mans (all on TV but for the full 24 hours) I can confidently say, none of the issues you raise are problems with F1, they are what make F1 great and why it remains the pinnacle of motorsport. WEC is brilliant, but it is different and is not F1 and I never want the two to be the same. F1 and WEC should develop independently. They can learn from each other, but you seem to think F1 should merge more towards what WEC is doing, which is totally wrong. Can you imagine 20+ x 6 hour races per year - this would be gruelling on the drivers and the fans. F1 already brings in more fans and more ticket sales than WEC, so why would it want to change? I love all motorsport and I love all the different formats and formulae. I spent 10 years regularly watching many lower series races from the pit wall at Kyalami and I shook Nigel Mansell's hand and got his autograph there and watched him race to a win (Race of Champions - he beat Emerson Fittipaldi)). F1 is unique and the pinnacle of motorsport and I want it to remain that way. WEC and F1, and all the other formulae and categories, are completely different and for all the teams, drivers, fans and sponsors out there should remain so. We should be supporting diversity in motorsport and bringing in more different categories. There are problems with F1, but you haven't touched on them.
I never said or think that F1 should have 20+ 6hour long races - that’s nuts. It’s the way they are writing the regulations to make it financially impossible for other teams to join and the racing is not competitive that is the issue.
That’s what F1 needs to change to be more like WEC.
The results for WEC are clear that it creates better racing. And now they are becoming a better place to develop tech for road cars as well.
Awesome story about good ol Nige tho! 😮💨
I never said or think that F1 should have 20+ 6hour long races - that’s nuts. It’s the way they are writing the regulations to make it financially impossible for other teams to join and the racing is not competitive that is the issue.
That’s what F1 needs to change to be more like WEC.
The results for WEC are clear that it creates better racing. And now they are becoming a better place to develop tech for road cars as well.
Awesome story about good ol Nige tho! 😮💨
Biggest problem F1 has, is its just to insanely difficult to be competitive at the top, engines are way to complex and expensive.
Second biggest problem is basically it has few teams, and its not very alluring for new teams to join, spend MILLIONS and win 0 races lol..
I've been watching WEC and IMSA from before they were called that (ALMS and World sports car championship). To watch both series grow into what they are now is heartwarming. What seemed to be an underground niche, is now extremely popular. IMSA has been PACKED the last few years at Road America where you now have to basically reserve your camping for the following year. It's good for motorsports and good for the manufactures.
It's good for the world, honestly
WEC should do a 1 hour sprint race and see how it does. Dark days are ahead for F1. The new engines are pathetic
Just replied to another comments with the idea of WEC jumping on the bandwagon with ‘WEC Sprints’ which are hypercar-only 90 minute races. Could be pretty epic and a great way to compete with F1 👀
@@jakemorganGP WEC is not about sprints, Hypercar sprints should be a seperate championship a la the Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft in the 80s which were 60-minute Group C races.
@@Dexter037S4 @WEC let’s make it happen
@@jakemorganGP Honestly it should just replace DTM, instead of being a FIA series.
How about 1 hour Hyperpole race
Here’s hoping liberty media doesn’t pull a Bernie Ecclestone and buy the series just to ruin it so f1 can thrive…
Lol. Did bernie own wec? I know that Liberty are buying MotoGP so I wouldn’t be surprised if they bought WEC in the near future as well
they don't need to look at f1 fan base and wec fan base
@@jakemorganGPNo, Bernie killed Group C, a series he was instructed by the FIA to nurture. They won't make the same mistake again, having literally just rebuilt WEC from scratch. Liberty Media have no way of interfering with WEC except by copying it. That's why there's suddenly a "women's academy."
6:41 Your info is wrong. I pay 75€ per year for F1TV. That includes all sessions all teams all cams live and replay...
It’s not wrong, it’s the only legal way to pay for live F1 in the UK. Sky Sports F1 is £40/month
Yeah in The Netherlands its either F1TV or Viaplay, the latter costs €16 a month. I guess it just depends what country you're from and from which broadcaster you watch
@@jakemorganGP So you can't buy a subscription to F1TV when you're in the UK? Or you have to use VPN...
Not technically legal to do. Hence why I didnt advocate it
in austria you can watch f1 for free lol
If WEC was more open, like streaming for free like IMSA, or more TV channels that could broadcast it, not just eurosport in europe, than it would explode im sure
Its free on eurosport and other tv broadcastings around the world
@@susswinnen6969 i thought that u have to pay for eurosport
F1 does have a way to beat WEC: Political shenanigans
Ah this championship where constructor are just here by name but don't need to build the best car. The BoP is there to make sure everyone can participate.
I personally think f1 is not only a sport it is also a battle ground of many car manufacturers and a test of who masters it. Wec on the other hand is probably thinking of a sport than a battle ground. That's why whenever a dominant car is seen bop is implemented so that the dominant team does not benefit from it. But I don't think its gonna claim the title of pinnacle of motorsport.
Yeah BoP is definitely to keep it competitive, but if you look at WEC’s new rules I would say that they are making themselves a much more attractive proposition for manufacturers than F1 because you get to develop the same road car technology but for way less money
Bop shaves a tenth or two off lap times to keep things interesting. F1 doesn't, so it's predictable for years at a time.
Outright pace rarely determines endurance races anyway, only folk who've never watched it don't know that.
Hey, really enjoyed the video -was really surprised to see you have less than 3k subscribers. I think that's going to go up pretty quickly....
Haha thanks mate! I just watched the counter tick over 3k! It’s been a great few months (>350k views in the last 90 days). Onwards! 🚀
Don't think WEC is a problem for F1. F1 problems is itself. I can agree that most of your point, WEC does better. But racing is so different between the series that it wouldn't be a problem for either of them, that one of them doing good. I do not have time to watch 24h or 6h race, It is just too long to keep me exiting and no way I have that much free time on the weekend. Compare to just a F1 race that is just 2h.
Fair - but that’s where the highlights come in - and it’s way more action-packed than F1
You're probably thinking of a 24 hour F1 race. That would be excruciating. In endurance, things happen pretty much constantly because there's four races happening at once. And after 23.5 hours there's often still seconds in it.
I don't want to sit down for 6+ hours to watch a race. 1.5-2hrs is excellent.
For the rest: i agree mostly
That’s the one difficulty with it. But it can also be an annual event to spend time with friends. For example, I’m doing a watch party for the 24hr of Le Mans this year and it’s gonna be a great excuse to get together and relax with friends
Right but at Spa you can walk around the circuit, have a snack or picknic, enjoy the view from the grandstand, take a nap, all while the cars are flying by. Those 6 hours pass more quick than expected. Overall it's a great motorsport day out with the family.
If you don’t want to watch a 6+ hour race, IMSA provides some shorter 1 hour 40 minute races and others that are just under 3 hours. I recommend giving it a shot!
Real! And If you look back at the old days, WEC has been around for a really long time. The FIA WEC was formerly known as WSC which existed in the early 1950’s; it folded in 1992 and was then revived in 2011 as WEC. Even back then, WEC had a variety of cars and extreme battles in multi class racing. F1 is cool, but it doesn’t compare to the hype that the FIA WEC brings.
Also, great video mate!
Thanks mate
One is endurance, the other is more of a sprint. WEC is multi class tuned spec, F1 is a formula.
But ultimately a fan just wants on-track action right?
@@jakemorganGP do we? I more like Formula racing tbh. F2 is great
@@nopetarpan But F2 is a spec series
@@danielainger8666 indeed, but still a formula car
@@danielainger8666 I meant Formula like type of cars, WEC is stock based.
I would also like to add my perspective. I work as a motorsports videographer for Audi and McLaren and can say that in Australia Atleast following F1 has become almost like a personality trait and theatrics with little to do with the actual racing. It’s all about the merch and the colours and showing up on the day in the nice booth and watching the latest funny F1 video and nothing to do with racing. Half of the people who showed up to watch the Melbourne GP wouldn’t even be able to name more than 5 racers on the grid.
I would also like to add that WEC is given more legitimate status now that it isn’t seen as the place ex f1 drivers go but rather you see drivers going to WEC and saying they outright refuse to go to F1. Good example is Matt Campbell, he has achieved so much an F1 seat is his tomorrow if he wants it but he wants to stick to WEC instead. From a fans perspective, that legitimises the sport.
Additionally, F1 doesn’t have anywhere near as exciting racing. By nature of the way that the cars are extremely fragile and expensive there is no real exciting gritty racing. There’s a certain mental state that comes with being 2nd after 23 hours and saying “fuck it. I’m gonna launch into this corner and we either both crash or I get it”, I have seen it live it is very exciting.
Wow! Would love to chat more with you and get your thoughts from the inside! What’s your ig?
Totally agree with the last paragraph 🤣. A racing driver loses the will to live and their sanity after 24 hours of racing 😂
The longer races aren't an advantage, because few people have the time to spend an entire day to watch a race.
It’s a real problem for sure
F1 has just become a business rather then being a sport like it used to be
well thats where you are wrong. its always been business first.
Always has been
*insert always has been meme here*
WEC is just as worthy or more prestigious than F1 historically. I hope the FIA doesn´t destroy WEC and turn into the Toyota/Audi snooze fest that it became in the past 10 years. I am glad we are finally seeing manufacturers investing into motorsports again instead of just focusing on F1. I CAN´T WAIT for LeMANS 24HRS!
Honestly what was making Proto endurance racing prestigious is gone with the new rules. Endurance racing was about who can build the fastest and most reliable car. LMH is about that, but coupling it with LMDh and rule everything under BoP just make it a facade of a competition where you see one of the slowest car last year fight for podiums and the fastest barely able to score point all that by artificial intervention on car performances.
I think the only thing F1 need’s back is refueling and get rid of the 2 tire compound rule. F1 doesn’t need artificial equality, not every team deserves to win, not every driver deserves to win, hard work of mind and body should be rewarded. Cost cap is already in place.
100% agree. It’s incredibly ironic that the field is the closest it has ever been yet we still don’t have a championship battle. It’s so F1 😅
well the fact that F1 is so expensive to watch live makes me really happy I watch it for free every race
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F1 would be fkin awesome if they stopped pretending their tech is trying to save the planet.
Give the cars maximum engine displacement, ban turbos, let them come with anything from V8 to V12, stop meddling with the rules every single year.
Or just let teams race their 2004 cars on slicks against the modern formulas if they want
I agree that they need to slow down the rules cycles to allow the field spread to be closer for longer. Maybe once a decade instead of every 6 years
@@jakemorganGP and green lobby, I hate that. Scientists will already tell you EVs can't save the planet, Clarkson wasn't wrong with that one, especially if most of electricity is still made from burning coal. Batteries are just bad stuff, and logistically it's impossible.
There's an alternative - synthetic fuels with virtually zero emissions, that's what F1 should be pushing for, yet nobody cares.
F1 doesn’t want more new competition. And that’s the problem!
It's not a problem. Bernie might have killed Group C because it threatened his poxy go karts but he can't kill this and nor can anybody else from Disney or whoever tf owns F1 this year.
The purpose of F1 is innovation for the manufacturer. Engineers are trying to make the fastest car on track that eventually translates to the car as we drive every day. One of the biggest examples is the rotary engine. Its was banned in the 24 hour series. So Mazda had no reason to keep producing it. That’s why we don’t have it today. There was no reason to innovate it make it better.
Another one mistaken. Rotary is not banned anymore. Mazda can field a car with one if they want to, but wankel is no longer suitable, even in racing environment anymore. Last Mazda racing car ran conventional piston engine because it the most suitable option for current racing climate.
@@kidpagronprimsank05 it was banned in 1992 it got reinstated in 2021.
@@cullengriffin33 I don't think it was the rotary engine specifically being banned. Wasn't it due to the low displacement of the 787B's engine? If I recall correctly, minimum displacement went up to 3.5L(?) in the class it was racing in, and the RE26B (the Mazda's rotary) had 2.6L which effectively ruled it out.
Otherwise, the Kudzu DG-3 wouldn't have raced. This project had factory support from Mazda themselves, and it ran a 2.0L 3-rotor engine.
My first time watching WEC was the 2023 24 Hours of Le Mans. I had watched IMSA's 24 Hours of Daytona and 12 hours of Sebring as well. I started watching after they announced the Garage 56 entry for 2023.
A few differences you leave out are non-hybrid cars in the hypercar class can have however much power and the cost cap works different from F1 as Toyota and the VW Group subsidiaries spend billions on the engines, electronics and other components they intend on bringing to WEC. While F1 actually has a cost cap on engine manufacturing electronics and other components and you can't bring different powertrains. All this leads to different cars and different ethos, think of it as the holy trinity(LaFerrari, 918 Spyder & P1) they all have different weights, power figures and powertrains but the lap times show that more power does not equal faster car, it's an equilibrium of all hence P1 being the fastest
Nobody spends billions on tech for WEC, stop making things up. If anything, the WEC engines prove technology which finds its way into production. LMP1 cars cost about $100m per season and that saw most manufacturers abandon the category.
@@ragereset2795 Ferrari did spend Billions on that V6 they use as it is also used in the 296GTB not just the 499P so did Toyota and that's just on the engine, the electronics and other components too. The idea that Toyota used USD 100M all in including salaries and the car from scratch is an absolute lie from you or you just don't know how things work, to you a RR that costs £500K also cost BMW £500K to develop the engine, electrical components, chassis and panels. When we all know it doesn't work like that.
Imagine paying to watch WEC or F1
🤣 fair
Also the WEC uploads the WHOLE race to youtube to watch for free about a week after it happened
Great point
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Then it’s not minsinfo…? I pay what the price is in the UK. How is that misinformation?
@@jakemorganGP you should've mentioned prices in another markets as I said, no where in the world is that expensive. Why I have to say same thing twice lmao. Misinformation was poor word choice by me, sorry
Good video, but unfortunately F1 doesnt have to worry about any of this. They already have 100x the audience, there's no competition and no reason to change anything. Their marketing is better, their UA-cam channel is one of the best professional sports YT channels. I agree with your points, but it doesn't matter.
The best F1 fans can hope for is regulation changes every half decade to mix up the racing. I'm personally hoping for smaller cars, don't care about the hybrid/v6 situation
Fair point. The point I was making is that WEC is building the foundations to be a better pinnacle of motorsport than F1 is. I would argue that WEC’s social channels have come alive in recent years as well.
It’s not about stopping watching one or the other - it’s about what we really consider the best motor racing in the world. WEC is looking to take that title imho
@@jakemorganGPthing is the same top 3 teams win … for a series that make it easy for people to race Glickenhaus had to back out because they couldn’t financially compete with the front teams. BOP didn’t do much for them either. No matter how you look at it , it’s all money based and the teams with the most money always sit at the front.
I forgot to add that wec and imsa are free if you miss the race, if you’re in america, IMSA is available on nbc but the amount of ads are terrible, so most people just get a vpn and watch it in a “different region”
Imola and Long Beach this weekend! Should be good fun
100%!
Something to add as well. The reason why WEC got so much attention is also part of the Formula 1 cost cap. Teams like Ferrari had an abundance of staff and funds available for racing which they allocated to WEC
Great point. Zak Brown just said in an interview that he wants to get McLaren into WEC as well
And even you can outsource team operation to someone else (like Porsche with Penske, BMW with WRT, Lamborghini with Iron Lynx, etc)
I'm just glad WEC is in a good spot again ❤
1000%
I watched F1 religiously throughout the 90s and 2000s but lost interest in the last decade or so. WEC on the other hand has reinvigorated my love of motorsports, F1 feels overproduced and caters to mass market appeal now but WEC feels like pure motorsport. Less rule changes, more even competition, less politics even. Track action is far better, the WEC cars look unique and sound fantastic compared to F1 cars these days. I'm genuinely more entertained with a 6, 9 or 24 hour race than a 2 hour F1 race (heck, I've just finished rewatching Spa and Le Mans 2023 for the 4 or 5th time while we wait for the Imola race!). WEC also drove me to checking out IMSA and the Nurburgring 24hr as well.
Everyone has been saying the same thing bro. It is honestly creating such a fantastic sport at the moment. We really need to spread the word on just how good this sport is.
To me, o think that F1 needs to take a page out of WECs book or even go back to their old regs, keep the hybrid element but allow the teams to develop other engines like V8s, V6s or even V10s, and allow small innovations to be passed through, such as the F duct or the McLaren’s 2nd brake pedal, problem with F1 regs is that they are too restrictive, any innovation is then shot down because one team bitches too much, and I seriously think the 22 regs have been a huge flop and the 26 regs won’t be much better
WEC is also live streamed for free unlike F1
Everything comes and goes in phases. The World Endurance Championship hasn’t always been riveting and has had its fair share of challenges, with many incredibly boring and uneventful races in its short existence. When you compare it with the likes of IMSA the racing is quite uneventful.
F1 is great, the World Endurance Championship is awesome. I just soak up all the motorsport I can! Typing this as somebody who is highly sleep deprived from watching every session of the Japanese Grand Prix weekend at Suzuka, you bet I will be equally sleep deprived during the 24 hours of Le Mans :)
I don’t think WEC is a problem for Formula 1 at all. Formula 1 is growing from strength to strength and attendance is at record numbers at almost every circuit around the world. Sure it’s seen a lot of changes over the years and not all of them for the better especially for those of us who have been life long fans but hey nothing stays the same! the winter break is so boring!
Great take on it all. I like to have a positive outlook as well. It's never one or the other, and it's not black and white either. The solution is to watch both series and enjoy the different elements that each sport bring.
Please W.E.C. But it has always been better than F1. Cars are not only overtaking for the lead but each other in different classes. In F1 on the other hand you can calculate an average of lap / results for each driver and more or less tell the future results.
The switch to V6 can't be overstated. They sound AWFUL. If they bring back the V10s, viewership would skyrocket
Fr. It’s gotta be the way forward now that the fuels are going to be fully synthetic and sustainable
@jakemorganGP the myriad of jet planes & semi trucks used to transport these cars, drivers & entire race teams across the world aren't using synthetic fuels nor will they any time soon. 96 more cylinders using normal F1 race fuel isn't gonna have literally any impact on the environment
@AnthonyTrifoglio so true - but as with most things it’s about what people see - what happens beneath the surface gets unnoticed by the masses (just like government politicians). But I think that DHL will be making big efforts to become fully sustainable for their own PR reasons which would ideally include F1
FIA deserves this, merc's 2d steering was just next level, instead of letting them use it they banned it, then cvt's they are just a big billboard to begin with, they want to sell existing junk instead of making new strides!
I quite like WEC, but i simply don’t have time for 6h races, to me that length is a MASSIVE downside, i’ll never watch something that long. A sprint weekend in F1 is already a bit too much for me…
Completely fair point. I’m the exact same. But maybe what you can do is make it an event with friends. E.g. having a watch party with friends for the le mans 24 hours. Great excuse to get together!
WEC and imsa do put the races on UA-cam for free so you can just watch bits of it in you free time
It wouldn't be endurance racing if it was sprint races. I understand that people might not have time to sit down and watch it due to family or other commitments. Not everyone gets the same amount of free time.
5:43 well peugeot has a rear wing now..
Realised after posting lmao. The main point was engines tbf
F1 has always, I my mind, been about the engineering and innovation of racecar technology. If everyone is driving the same car, it becomes Indy Car which is not what I want. I want f1 to push the limits of what humans can make not cause drama.
It is said that F1 is the pinnacle of auto racing but lately the actual pinnacles have been WEC and WRC
Bro cooked with this comment 🗿🍳
This right here is the perfect summary of what is wrong with F1 and why it will inevitably die if it doesn't sort it's shit out.
And that's not even hyperbole. Group A racing died because it didn't sort out the problems that arose when the R32 GT-R came along. F1's gonna go the same way if Red Bull isn't stopped in the immediate future.
This is what I'm trying to say in a very gentle, polite way lmao
yea like f1 stopped merc... or WEC stopped porshe. or audi a few years befor that. THATS racing. a team gets it right and dominates for a few seasons. a rulechange comes along and it gets shuffled around...
@@thekamikaze789I'm just amazed you're prepared to tolerate that. "Oh, they have the fastest car so they'll win for the next few years." Hope do you stay interested?
In WEC there's six marques that could win every race.
@@ragereset2795 make a "wec sprint" and i might watch it. as it is now, i have better things to do than watch for 2,5h -24h at once
I MISS ITS LIGHTS OUT AND AWAY WE GO
We’ve got it tomorrow though…
@@jakemorganGP official f1 channel no longer uploads croft commentary
@Zeldan95 oh mad. I reckon they’re about to end their sky sports contract and just have f1 tv in the uk
@@jakemorganGPWait what??? They ending their contract with Sky??
@diethersantos6404 i dont know that, but why else would half the Sky team be in the UK for flyaway races? We pay for them to be reporting from the track. And also, it’s a massive market for F1 TV to capture
I'd argue that IMSA is even more interesting than WEC. But by and large, I agree. F1 has no actual wheel-to-wheel racing anymore. It's like watching laps under a full course yellow, just at higher speeds. And DTS is probably the only reason the sport has gotten more popular in the States.
Thanks to COVID and people not having anything better to do… 😅
1:16 "... racing wasn't super competitive..."
Shows iconic Silverstone battle between Audi and Porsche 🥲
Bahaha. It was the only b-roll i could find at the time lmao
@@jakemorganGP haha I figured that's what it was, all good! Always love seeing those two featured in a video anyway
Good ol LMP1 days 😍
I’ve heard the BMW engine in spa, but I was not ready for that 6:00
Hehe. It’s gnarly fr
If Formula 1 everybody had the same car it would jusy be Formula 2 but faster, defeating the purpose of it being partially an engineering championship, imo
Great video and ive been getting into WEC!
The example of F1 having the same cars was an analogy for the similar performance levels that all cars in WEC have (within their classes) due to balance of performance. I would never advocate for F1 becoming a spec series.
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1) I pay 75€ a year get 24 Events (Re-Live included), all cameras - can set it up multiview -> Timetable + Trackpostions all synced included
2) I dont want to see BoP. I want to see the fastest being fastest. The stopwatch should be the truth, not the regulation
3) if a good race is only the action about P1 or Podium, well I say its your Problem -> F1 Midfield and even Backfield is insane to watch this year
racing has been non-existent in f1 for decades now but today f1 is at its most profitable state its ever been, teams even reported on net profit. so fom and f1 teams are not gonna risk hurting their pocket to make some brave reform just to make racing entertaining, which probably gonna back fire anyway just like 2022, 2017, 2014
WEC and many other global Motorsports on the rise accept one crucial factor that F1 will never
Balance of Performance
which isnt a good thing. BoP is the only reason i cannot stand to watch endurance racing. What the f is the point of having manufacturers then?? Just give them spec cars..... Idiotic frankly. The only real solution is budget cap, thats why F1 is and will be better.
Which make everything completely artificial. People were criticizing F1 for being more about the show than the sport. That's exactly what WEC is doing. We have cool race to watch but sportively they mean nothing.
BoP should be a device to objectively balance performance, not to compensate for bad development. It's not there to make a slow car, fast. Is there to say, that's the physionomy of your car, we would give you this in that to compensate for your advantage and disadvantage. It could mean your still not fast enough.
Now we have Toyota that was a dominant car last year barely able to score point in Qatar, while Peugeot which was nowhere near the front fighting for podiums.
Toyota didn't suddenly become bad and Peugeot good. BoP artificially created this situation.
Formula 1 would benficiate from one thing from WEC: Performance Window. The rule book gives you a lot of freedom on how to build your car but puts a performance ceiling.
Let manufacturer build the best car!
@@MrRouxsBoP doesn't fix reliability. Since WEC races are so long, reliability is very important. A bad car will still perform poorly in races due to bad reliability, even if they have a good BoP advantage.
Balance of power is one of the best things about WEC & IMSA. Makes all cars competitive
That’s how I feel but lots of people have been saying the opposite. Horses for courses I guess 🤷🏻♂️
@@jakemorganGPwait till they learn about Super GT's success weight
F1 went from motosports to tv drama, thanks america
To me the longer duration is a huge put off, 6 to 24 hours? That's too much time. I do really like the design of the GT3 cars more tho.
Great point. Same reason why I havent been able to watch it. I do these videos + two other jobs so I don’t have time. BUTTT I’ll be making a day out of the 24 hour le mans race by doing a watch party with my friends. It’s a great excuse to get together and hang out
this is gonna blow up
That’s always the plan 😉
I thought you would have atleast a million subscribers
Haha. One day I hope 😅
Do you remember James Hunt. He started with the Hesketh team. British nobility with money to spare. A time that you needed a single brilliant engineer (Harvey Postlethwait), a brilliant driver, a few Rolls-Royce's, a bootload of champagne and a few pits girls to calm the nerves in order to win a Grand Prix. And the same, too win a drivers championship a few years down the road.
Rush visuals just came flooding back to me haha
WEC is excellent but if you want F1 with more car parity, give Indy a shot, it's surprisingly good.
I always watch the Indy500 and want to get into it but never have enough time 😭
If 2026 regulations don't save f1 then f1 is done
Agreed. That will be the true test of if the new F1 fans will stay or not
6hours is to long for me. Also multiple drivers per car, just not a fan. I do agree that Wec is an intriguing race class
Fair enough mate. Every sport isnt for everyone and I can totally respect that. I personally don’t enjoy football much, but I’m the minority in that camp. Each to their own bro 👊🏼
I just hope bernie doesn't screw this up like when Group C was ending. This F1-WEC problem happened before and i don't want to see F1 ending the diversity of WEC. If anything F1 should open the rule book up except the safety regulations.
Exactly. Theyve got the budget cap in place, it makes sense to remove power restrictions and an air tight engine formula
To few races in WEC a year to really be a problem for F1
Good point
Please someone tell me how to i watch WEC in America. The wec tv subscription thingy doesn’t let you watch races live.
HBO Max live sports add on or smth, or Motortrend TV subscription.
The main problem with F1 is that the “sport” aspect took a backseat to the “business” aspect, and those two only grow further apart since Liberty took over. The regulations are way too strict. Regarding on-track battles, let’s be realistic, F1 was always kinda boring, at least since the last 30-40 years with the occasional action packed race here and there. Just the innate nature of the sport will never make it easy for the teams to have the same performance from their packages. And with these crap regulations it only makes it worse, it’s a matter of seeing which concept does best and the others just try and copy it. Yeah, F1 may have increased viewership and ticket prices are probably doing very well, because it’s cool to be seen at an F1 race, I genuinely feel the sport itself is not doing too well.
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