Well that's because Sorkin didn't actually write the best of the series, ironically. While season 5 was a bit rocky, 6 and 7 were the height of West Wing.
@@sercastamere9853 wow. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. The first 4 seasons were absolutely the best ones. I loved the entire series mind you but the writing was much sharper seasons 1 Thur 4.
I would like to see people sent to Mars in my lifetime. As a child I watched men walk on the moon. It was exciting and exhilarating and awe inspiring. Would like to feel that way again when I watch Mars landing.
The second largest spender on Military issues is China, with around $261bn. If the US reduced it's military spending, so that they only had double the amount of China - $522bn - and invest the remaing money into NASA, the space program would have a budget of $232bn. We would be on Mars in no time.
Guys first of all we don’t bomb brown and poor people for fun. We bomb terrorists who kill poor and brown people and we provide poor and brown people with aid. That being said nasa does deserve a huge budget. It’s the government department who unwritten mission is to preserve the human race by spreading our eggs across multiple baskets. But don’t worry the private sector will get us to Mars and I’ll bet you £100 that it happens before 2040
We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win.
"But then I remind myself of the avoidable human suffering on Earth, how a few dollars can save the life of a child dying from dehydration, how many children we could save for the cost of a trip to Mars-and for the moment I change my mind. Is it unworthy to stay home, or unworthy to go? Or have I posed a false dichotomy? Isn’t it possible to make a better life for everyone on Earth and to reach for the planets and the stars?” Carl Sagan
"Or have I posed a false dichotomy? Isn’t it possible to make a better life for everyone on Earth and to reach for the planets and the stars?" Oh yes, we can do both. "You know South Africa has a space program, because they know that if you have 8,000 PHD people... their quality of life is going to go up. We spend one and a half billion dollars on planetary science - how long does it take to spend one and a half billion in Afghanistan? Twenty minutes? A half hour?" - Attributed to Bill Nye on the discrepancy between science and military funding in the US.
Humans and Americans are explorers. Otherwise, we would remain amebois in a petry dish. The Wright Brothers and others fostered a vision to enter the sky, more the 115 years ago. Ad Astra. I submit we can save exponentially more human lives, by reaching out and reaching Mars and beyond.
We - are explorers. We take the next step, because it is there. If we don't act, as a nation; another country will. And as such, it remains imperative to look to the heavens, and find the way to reach for the stars. Each time, we enter Space, we create new ways to see things differently. The risks are higher than we expect; yet, the benefits are numerous and allow us to find greater knowledge, as our knowledge unfolds. Thus, let is go boldly and with fervor, to the next step in our journey, as explorers. Ad Astra -
So, anyone notice that that Josh Lyman has a picture of the atomic bomb cloud over Hiroshima on his wall? It's the same photo that Charlie Hume had in his office on the show Lou Grant. And the actor who played Charlie Hume (Mason Adams) also was on The West Wing, he was a guest star playing the retiring Supreme Court Justice. Just a very odd coincidence or is there some production connection between Lou Grant and TWW?
Why should we not go to Mars? Is it too expensive? No, our defense budget is to large. Is it too greedy? Tell that to anyone whose life was ever saved by any of the many technologies that were invented due to space exploration. Is it too far-fetched? Too dangerous? We went to the moon using less computing power than I have in my pocket. Is it boring? Only as boring as Sputnik, or Neil Armstrong's moon landing. It is an inspiration for future generations. We must go to Mars.
Cut the space budget and defense budgets. Colonizing (as opposed to merely exploring) Mars is the stupidest and most wasteful idea ever proposed - second only to war itself.
Pranx If 500 years ago, the European countries had cut their exploration budgets to zero, there's be no USA because Columbus would have never gotten his little sea voyage funded. Sorry, but looking to the horizon and wanting to see what's on the other side is part of the human condition. Right now, we're limited to sending out unmanned probes, mostly because we don't have the technological means to send people to Mars in a timely manner. But the day will come, probably in the not too distant future, when we do have the means to do so. And I have no doubt that when we do, we will be sending missions to Mars. Because Mars is the horizon. Or to quote Sam Seaborn, because it's next.
Fredrick Everson We must go to Mars, else there will be no future generations. We need to rekindle the thirst for knowledge, the process of science, and the respect for truth. We have dug ourselves a very deep hole on this planet. Only with the perspective of distance, will we see clearly enough to find our way out of the darkness and into the light.
Pranx One program is dedicated to the survival of the human race. The other is dedicated to the ending of the human race. Ending both programs seems like a vote for death, but simply a longer more lingering terminal period.
@@crucisnh Isabella funded Columbus to spite her cousin. Colonizing existing nations and wiping out their populations isn't something to use as an argument for anything other than greed and genocide.
For those of you who have yet to listen to Blind Willie's masterpiece, please turn out the lights, get in a comfortable chair, cue it up, then listen on a good set of speakers or headphones. You *WILL* be moved.
Donna's always getting jealous when Josh is talking at another smart woman. She just wants her curly-haired Deputy White House Chief of Staff all to herself and that is so cute.
It's 100% true. Also, including among the recordings (it's on a literal gold disk) are several nature sounds, including whale songs, birds, and many others. If you have yet to listen to "Dark Was the Night (Cold Was the Ground)," please do so at your earliest opportunity. You will be moved in ways that you will not expect.
"You know South Africa has a space program, because they know that if you have 8000 PHD people... their quality of life's going to go up. We spend one and a half billion dollars on planetary science - how long does it take to spend one and a half billion in Afghanistan? Twenty minutes? A half hour?" Bill Nye on the discrepancy between science and military funding in the US. The Iraq and Afghan wars cost $6 trillion. That's literally 4,000 times more than planetary science funding.
@@mw-ys1qq 36% of Afghan girls are going to school in large part because of private philantropic donations and on the ground aid workers. A lot of Afghan girls are just dead, and we killed more than a few.
Nice idea Josh, and I would really excited. The thing is it took nearly 40 years for Voyagers 1and 2 to leave the solar system., and they have left by flying above the plane of the solar system not flying directly out of it past Pluto. They are both still in the immediate neighbourhood, a bit like a drone hovering over a house. I think it will be a long long time before the Voyagers encounter any ETI☹️ that are not already nearby or aware of us.
Mars or Bust, not only should the Human race do this, but we must do this. The times we stand still are historically the times that are the most bloody... To say a human has been to another planet, well I'm 28 and I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, but I hope against hope that it will.
yeah. I don't know where but i once heared some place that it takes a genius to write a genius. now this right here isn't about a genius or anything like that but, in compareson to 99% of all the TV shows out there, writing this, using someone like blind W.J. as a reference, to make an argument helping a "dead" topic, edited this particular way ( for those who know the episode). I guess what I'm trying to say is that Sorkin may not be a Genius, but with the help of his Staff he came close a lot.
Even after Sorkin left, this show was still awesome. I admit I found his use of dramatic music like in Two Cathedrals a little pretentious at times, best parts of the show for me were just conversations or monologues, like Vinick on separation of church and state, Toby and Bartlet about his father and "good for all timezones," and this scene, etc. Only thing is after watching The West Wing, any other serious show about politics or current affairs feels dumbed down in comparison, lol
@@imcallingjapan2178 I liked toby's " they'll like us when we win" or smaller moments like when admiral Fitzgerald sits in the situation room with leo, trying to convice him to assassinate a foreign leader, sharif i think. or when bruno talks about the adds for the campaign..:" I'm tired of getting them elected, Sam".. also: when you watch the Newsroom.. there is a ton of stuff in there and yes, if you are a big west wing fan, you'll here some phrases you've heared before, but i still wish it was more then 3 seasons
Blind Willie was a man of the cloth, widely known to live up to his marriage vows, so no to syphilis. In fact, the ruins of the house that he spent his final days in were the church at which he was the minister, which makes it all the more poignant.
I'm all for space exploration and going to mars, AFTER we don't have people sleeping with wet newspapers as blankets, they should at LEAST be dry army surplus blankets.
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Can't afford that, the tanks need another coat of paint.
JRD There will always be people who will be homeless. There will always be people who will refuse to play by society's rules. People who would rather sleep on the streets than abide by the rules of a homeless shelter. (I know this from first hand experience.)
Not to be Buzz Killington, but... "First human made object to leave the solar system." Sorry Josh, it still has a ways to go. It may have passed the termination shock, but that is not the edge of the solar system. Voyager 1 won't reach the outer edge of the Oort cloud for around 30,000 years. Admittedly, it's a bit harder to turn 'Oort cloud' into a verbal pun than 'termination shock'.
I believe he is correct (though so are you in a way). Termination shock is the limit of magnetic influence of the sun, whereas the Oort cloud represents gravitational influence. Either can be used to determine the boundary of the solar system, just depending on which measure you want to use.
The problem is that they haven't turned anything up in the areas where the math says it should be if it exists. The longer they search without finding an object, the less likely it seems.
Sagan would agree there's no reason we couldn't have a thriving space program and provide clean drinking water and food for every child in the world, for only a fraction of the money we give away to weapons manufacturers.
We pay weapons manufacturers so that we continue to have the opportunity to do those things. It's astonishing that you think freedom is free-- or cheap.
There’s something narcissistic about the US leading the charge though. Why not use space travel as a way to bring cooperation between nations, particularly the USA and Russia? In the team that goes to Mars for the first time, surely there should be people from across the world
That’s a great point. But it’s always about power, while space should be something of all mankind. Imagine USA, Russia, India, China, UE all funding and working together on an unique space program to go back to the moon and then aiming for Mars.
Paolo Russomanno that’s true. There’s already great collaboration on the ISS. Great power politics based on manoeuvring and national zero-sum interests could find a unified space programme amongst its greatest enemies
And that works as long as the nations involved don't assume there's an ulterior motive for being asked to join. Kennedy at one point asked Krushchev about the US and Soviets doing a joint effort to land men on the Moon, and Kruschev interpreted it as a sign of weakness. Since Putin is closer in personality and outlook to Kruschev than to someone like Gorbachev, I don't think it would work right now.
@@almostfm Khrushchev was on the constant lookout for the collapse of capitalism, which he believed to be inevitable, and the start of the space race seemed to suggest was immediate due to the technological advances of the Soviet Union. Putin is a realist, well aware of Russia’s weakness in comparison to the west. He’d be much more keen for a joint mission than Khrushchev, probably seeing it as a chance for Russia to be seen at the top table.
What gets me is that our society and economy let that man die penniless wrapped in wet newspapers. But hey, a half century after your death, your voice is on a billion dollar hunk of metal a billion miles away, so you have that going for you, which is nice. Murica. They seriously tried to play this as inspiring?
If for no other reason than it kicks the economy into high gear. Do you think it was just a coincidence that the great days of the U.S. space program "coincided" with the greatest days of the U.S. economy?
He calls up uplifting for mankind, I call it plain showing off. Want to do something for mankind, America? Just help the poorest and most vulnerable. (Yes, I know I am arguing with a TV scene).
What the heck is 'kind' about spending, 100+ billion tax dollars to put Americans on Mars? When there are over 500,000 homeless people in America? That is not 'kind'. That is GALACTICALLY callous. And I bet you most people seeing this video feel largely like Josh did. 'The Hell with the poor/homeless. Let's go to Mars!!!' 🙄 America's/humanity's priorities are all screwed up. ☮
"...but his music just left the solar system." Cue the tears.
Every fucking time, man. It never fails. I've seen this moment at least 10 times, and it always gets me
My absolute favorite scene of the series; it gets me every time. Ironically Sorkin had already left the series, but it really sounds like him.
Well that's because Sorkin didn't actually write the best of the series, ironically. While season 5 was a bit rocky, 6 and 7 were the height of West Wing.
@@sercastamere9853 wow. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. The first 4 seasons were absolutely the best ones. I loved the entire series mind you but the writing was much sharper seasons 1 Thur 4.
This is clunky and NOT Sorkin like at all. Post-Sorkin is bad. season five was dogshit. Alda & Smits was essentially a spinoff.
I don't remember this at all... and i've the whole show multiple times. Seems like it's time for another binge! 😉
As Sam Seaborne Said,"....It's what's next...".
I would like to see people sent to Mars in my lifetime. As a child I watched men walk on the moon. It was exciting and exhilarating and awe inspiring. Would like to feel that way again when I watch Mars landing.
The second largest spender on Military issues is China, with around $261bn. If the US reduced it's military spending, so that they only had double the amount of China - $522bn - and invest the remaing money into NASA, the space program would have a budget of $232bn. We would be on Mars in no time.
Guys first of all we don’t bomb brown and poor people for fun. We bomb terrorists who kill poor and brown people and we provide poor and brown people with aid.
That being said nasa does deserve a huge budget. It’s the government department who unwritten mission is to preserve the human race by spreading our eggs across multiple baskets.
But don’t worry the private sector will get us to Mars and I’ll bet you £100 that it happens before 2040
We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win.
Probably the last good one we'll have... And we killed him
And JFK did not break a sweat, as he delivered those lines, at Rice University in August, 1962.
@@jareddauer4015 your Oswald?
@@jimmy2k4o The mob and the CIA did.
@@jareddauer4015 I would ask you for evidence but I know the conspiracy people are bad at that reasonable stuff.
And hundreds of years later, that same probe would cause Captain Kirk and Commander Spock so much trouble.
F**kin' America! Amirite??? 😄
Can you elaborate?
@@jimmy2k4o Vger
That was Voyager 6, eventually naming itself V'Ger. 😉
"But then I remind myself of the avoidable human suffering on Earth, how a few dollars can save the life of a child dying from dehydration, how many children we could save for the cost of a trip to Mars-and for the moment I change my mind. Is it unworthy to stay home, or unworthy to go? Or have I posed a false dichotomy? Isn’t it possible to make a better life for everyone on Earth and to reach for the planets and the stars?”
Carl Sagan
"Or have I posed a false dichotomy? Isn’t it possible to make a better life for everyone on Earth and to reach for the planets and the stars?"
Oh yes, we can do both. "You know South Africa has a space program, because they know that if you have 8,000 PHD people... their quality of life is going to go up. We spend one and a half billion dollars on planetary science - how long does it take to spend one and a half billion in Afghanistan? Twenty minutes? A half hour?" - Attributed to Bill Nye on the discrepancy between science and military funding in the US.
Humans and Americans are explorers. Otherwise, we would remain amebois in a petry dish. The Wright Brothers and others fostered a vision to enter the sky, more the 115 years ago. Ad Astra. I submit we can save exponentially more human lives, by reaching out and reaching Mars and beyond.
We - are explorers. We take the next step, because it is there. If we don't act, as a nation; another country will. And as such, it remains imperative to look to the heavens, and find the way to reach for the stars. Each time, we enter Space, we create new ways to see things differently. The risks are higher than we expect; yet, the benefits are numerous and allow us to find greater knowledge, as our knowledge unfolds. Thus, let is go boldly and with fervor, to the next step in our journey, as explorers. Ad Astra -
@@jkrasney1 Men in space is fiction, no man has ever left the firmament. Maybe one day, but not on this version of the earth.
why go to mars? Becuase its next.
If it'll help with your spelling we should do it...
THIS
This episode closes with Josh looking up at the stars, to the strains of 'Dark Was the Night...' Primeval.
awesome..Blind Willie Johnson is one amazing blues musician.....
He was, and now he is immortal in every possible way.
So, anyone notice that that Josh Lyman has a picture of the atomic bomb cloud over Hiroshima on his wall? It's the same photo that Charlie Hume had in his office on the show Lou Grant. And the actor who played Charlie Hume (Mason Adams) also was on The West Wing, he was a guest star playing the retiring Supreme Court Justice.
Just a very odd coincidence or is there some production connection between Lou Grant and TWW?
Here men from the planet Earth first set foot upon the Moon, July 1969 A.D.
*We came in peace for all mankind*
Why should we not go to Mars? Is it too expensive? No, our defense budget is to large. Is it too greedy? Tell that to anyone whose life was ever saved by any of the many technologies that were invented due to space exploration. Is it too far-fetched? Too dangerous? We went to the moon using less computing power than I have in my pocket. Is it boring? Only as boring as Sputnik, or Neil Armstrong's moon landing. It is an inspiration for future generations. We must go to Mars.
Cut the space budget and defense budgets. Colonizing (as opposed to merely exploring) Mars is the stupidest and most wasteful idea ever proposed - second only to war itself.
Pranx If 500 years ago, the European countries had cut their exploration budgets to zero, there's be no USA because Columbus would have never gotten his little sea voyage funded.
Sorry, but looking to the horizon and wanting to see what's on the other side is part of the human condition. Right now, we're limited to sending out unmanned probes, mostly because we don't have the technological means to send people to Mars in a timely manner. But the day will come, probably in the not too distant future, when we do have the means to do so. And I have no doubt that when we do, we will be sending missions to Mars. Because Mars is the horizon. Or to quote Sam Seaborn, because it's next.
Fredrick Everson We must go to Mars, else there will be no future generations.
We need to rekindle the thirst for knowledge, the process of science, and the respect for truth.
We have dug ourselves a very deep hole on this planet. Only with the perspective of distance,
will we see clearly enough to find our way out of the darkness and into the light.
Pranx
One program is dedicated to the survival of the human race.
The other is dedicated to the ending of the human race.
Ending both programs seems like a vote for death,
but simply a longer more lingering terminal period.
@@crucisnh Isabella funded Columbus to spite her cousin. Colonizing existing nations and wiping out their populations isn't something to use as an argument for anything other than greed and genocide.
Goosebumps. Every time.
For those of you who have yet to listen to Blind Willie's masterpiece, please turn out the lights, get in a comfortable chair, cue it up, then listen on a good set of speakers or headphones.
You *WILL* be moved.
I love how this video is 508-compliant. Since it is about a blind man, after all.
I wish Bartlett had been in the room to hear that.
Donna's always getting jealous when Josh is talking at another smart woman.
She just wants her curly-haired Deputy White House Chief of Staff all to herself and that is so cute.
And he gets just as jealous when she mentions another man. True 💘 love!!
Wow, I'm a musician and I didn't know that! Makes ya think.
It's true. There was jazz, bop, lots of styles represented.
It's 100% true.
Also, including among the recordings (it's on a literal gold disk) are several nature sounds, including whale songs, birds, and many others.
If you have yet to listen to "Dark Was the Night (Cold Was the Ground)," please do so at your earliest opportunity.
You will be moved in ways that you will not expect.
Bradley whitford simply perfect
josh at his best.
An anthropologist once asked a Pygmy man where music came from.
Surprised, he answered, "What? You can't hear the stars singing?"
We call it tinnitus.
@ Thanks! Now instead of being annoyed, I'll tell myself that I'm hearing the stars sing.
the score for this scene
"You know South Africa has a space program, because they know that if you have 8000 PHD people... their quality of life's going to go up. We spend one and a half billion dollars on planetary science - how long does it take to spend one and a half billion in Afghanistan? Twenty minutes? A half hour?"
Bill Nye on the discrepancy between science and military funding in the US.
The Iraq and Afghan wars cost $6 trillion. That's literally 4,000 times more than planetary science funding.
And 36% of afgan girls can now go to school that numbers only going to go up.
@@mw-ys1qq 36% of Afghan girls are going to school in large part because of private philantropic donations and on the ground aid workers. A lot of Afghan girls are just dead, and we killed more than a few.
Ah, this brings back memories.
“What’s next Mrs Lanningham?
“MARS!”
I don't know where you got that quote or if it's true. But I love it all the same.
Dark Was the Night, Cold Was the Ground is as tough as it gets.
It is...incredibly moving.
It always gets the hairs up on my neck.
@facetznewjersey Any time someone says, "not to nitpick, but..." they then proceed, inevitably, to nitpick. It's like saying, "No offense, but..."
Nice idea Josh, and I would really excited. The thing is it took nearly 40 years for Voyagers 1and 2 to leave the solar system., and they have left by flying above the plane of the solar system not flying directly out of it past Pluto. They are both still in the immediate neighbourhood, a bit like a drone hovering over a house.
I think it will be a long long time before the Voyagers encounter any ETI☹️ that are not already nearby or aware of us.
I had to watch this clip after voyager 1 exited the solar system last week.
Jesus fucking christ I love this show.
for anyone who ever wonders why music so much to me
People like you give me hope.
awesome,
well written show
Amazing Kickstarter happening at the moment for Blind Willie... /projects/blindwilliejohnson/help-produce-the-songs-of-blind-willie-johnson
Mars or Bust, not only should the Human race do this, but we must do this. The times we stand still are historically the times that are the most bloody... To say a human has been to another planet, well I'm 28 and I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, but I hope against hope that it will.
yeah. I don't know where but i once heared some place that it takes a genius to write a genius. now this right here isn't about a genius or anything like that but, in compareson to 99% of all the TV shows out there, writing this, using someone like blind W.J. as a reference, to make an argument helping a "dead" topic, edited this particular way ( for those who know the episode). I guess what I'm trying to say is that Sorkin may not be a Genius, but with the help of his Staff he came close a lot.
Slegnaon i believe Sorkin had already left the show at this point.
Aaron is one of my favourite writers and has a touch of genius imho.
Even after Sorkin left, this show was still awesome. I admit I found his use of dramatic music like in Two Cathedrals a little pretentious at times, best parts of the show for me were just conversations or monologues, like Vinick on separation of church and state, Toby and Bartlet about his father and "good for all timezones," and this scene, etc. Only thing is after watching The West Wing, any other serious show about politics or current affairs feels dumbed down in comparison, lol
@@imcallingjapan2178
I liked toby's " they'll like us when we win" or smaller moments like when admiral Fitzgerald sits in the situation room with leo, trying to convice him to assassinate a foreign leader, sharif i think. or when bruno talks about the adds for the campaign..:" I'm tired of getting them elected, Sam"..
also: when you watch the Newsroom.. there is a ton of stuff in there and yes, if you are a big west wing fan, you'll here some phrases you've heared before, but i still wish it was more then 3 seasons
But we thought you were dead, JFK. Why have you deceived us?
Needs Sam Seaborn’s polish.
Except is was malaria that killed him, not pneumonia. Syphilis might've helped.
Blind Willie was a man of the cloth, widely known to live up to his marriage vows, so no to syphilis.
In fact, the ruins of the house that he spent his final days in were the church at which he was the minister, which makes it all the more poignant.
@@Gunners_Mate_Guns syphilis is listed as a contributing factor on his birth certificate...
Men of the cloth aren't immune to illnesses...
I'm all for space exploration and going to mars, AFTER we don't have people sleeping with wet newspapers as blankets, they should at LEAST be dry army surplus blankets.
Can't afford that, the tanks need another coat of paint.
JRD There will always be people who will be homeless. There will always be people who will refuse to play by society's rules. People who would rather sleep on the streets than abide by the rules of a homeless shelter. (I know this from first hand experience.)
Then it will never ever ever happen.
@crucisnh I don't disagree, but If it's so impossible why does Singapore look so different?
Not to be Buzz Killington, but...
"First human made object to leave the solar system." Sorry Josh, it still has a ways to go. It may have passed the termination shock, but that is not the edge of the solar system. Voyager 1 won't reach the outer edge of the Oort cloud for around 30,000 years. Admittedly, it's a bit harder to turn 'Oort cloud' into a verbal pun than 'termination shock'.
I believe he is correct (though so are you in a way). Termination shock is the limit of magnetic influence of the sun, whereas the Oort cloud represents gravitational influence. Either can be used to determine the boundary of the solar system, just depending on which measure you want to use.
There may be a 9th planet orbiting between 200 and 1200 AU from the Sun. Voyager is about 125 AU so maybe not quite yet :P
The problem is that they haven't turned anything up in the areas where the math says it should be if it exists. The longer they search without finding an object, the less likely it seems.
fuck you
ROFL I wonder what that cabbage thinks they're missing.
Sagan would agree there's no reason we couldn't have a thriving space program and provide clean drinking water and food for every child in the world, for only a fraction of the money we give away to weapons manufacturers.
We pay weapons manufacturers so that we continue to have the opportunity to do those things. It's astonishing that you think freedom is free-- or cheap.
Just kiss already...
You'll have to wait for Santos to tie up with Vinnick...
@@mikaku They had great working chemistry, but that's a ship too far.
Sam's speech is better.
Next time someone asks you why you miss this show so much, just sit them down and show them this scene - You won't have to say anything else...
There’s something narcissistic about the US leading the charge though. Why not use space travel as a way to bring cooperation between nations, particularly the USA and Russia? In the team that goes to Mars for the first time, surely there should be people from across the world
That’s a great point. But it’s always about power, while space should be something of all mankind. Imagine USA, Russia, India, China, UE all funding and working together on an unique space program to go back to the moon and then aiming for Mars.
Paolo Russomanno that’s true. There’s already great collaboration on the ISS. Great power politics based on manoeuvring and national zero-sum interests could find a unified space programme amongst its greatest enemies
And that works as long as the nations involved don't assume there's an ulterior motive for being asked to join. Kennedy at one point asked Krushchev about the US and Soviets doing a joint effort to land men on the Moon, and Kruschev interpreted it as a sign of weakness. Since Putin is closer in personality and outlook to Kruschev than to someone like Gorbachev, I don't think it would work right now.
@@almostfm Khrushchev was on the constant lookout for the collapse of capitalism, which he believed to be inevitable, and the start of the space race seemed to suggest was immediate due to the technological advances of the Soviet Union. Putin is a realist, well aware of Russia’s weakness in comparison to the west. He’d be much more keen for a joint mission than Khrushchev, probably seeing it as a chance for Russia to be seen at the top table.
Absolutely- it needs to be a joint venture.
Pneumonia sucks.
It sure does, but that is not what killed him. Malaria killed him. With maybe a little help from syphilis.
What gets me is that our society and economy let that man die penniless wrapped in wet newspapers. But hey, a half century after your death, your voice is on a billion dollar hunk of metal a billion miles away, so you have that going for you, which is nice. Murica.
They seriously tried to play this as inspiring?
Thats cool and everything, but doesn't make any sort of logical reason to spend taxes on space travel, unless the money comes from military spending.
If for no other reason than it kicks the economy into high gear.
Do you think it was just a coincidence that the great days of the U.S. space program "coincided" with the greatest days of the U.S. economy?
He calls up uplifting for mankind, I call it plain showing off. Want to do something for mankind, America? Just help the poorest and most vulnerable. (Yes, I know I am arguing with a TV scene).
You're correct, though, still right after 8 years, sadly.
Not only can we do both,
we can only do either if we do both.
What the heck is 'kind' about spending, 100+ billion tax dollars to put Americans on Mars?
When there are over 500,000 homeless people in America?
That is not 'kind'.
That is GALACTICALLY callous.
And I bet you most people seeing this video feel largely like Josh did.
'The Hell with the poor/homeless. Let's go to Mars!!!'
🙄
America's/humanity's priorities are all screwed up.
☮
Landing people on Mars....point being ?
You, clearly, do not understand what music is.