@@nsayyed5469 I don't know if god exists. I can't know that. I would need more proof. Because as per the general scenario. he's not very good at granting prayers and wishes. So I wouldn't spend time and pin hopes on some invisible force which might not exist. I'd rather use the time to entertain myself or do something useful which has a better chance of giving results.
@studentofIslam-ce1sk how can a being who does not have a physical form in this world write in a human language on a physical object such as a book. If god is not a person like us should he speak Arabic or any other language. Also did god discover earth 1400 years ago or 2000 years ago that he sent a rule book to follow. If some omnipotent creator wanted to share something with us wouldn't it have been through the beginning from adam(as the belief in Bible and Quran says)
I felt that the caller is dealing with aspects of his religion and he is open minded enough to want to discover the truth. Thanks vimoh. This was a really nice discussion.
I don't think he is open minded. He may become open minded in future but presently he is just trying to pacify himself about being open-minded. Any unbiased reading of Quran will make any rational person realize the dangers of Islam. The evidence is all around us.
@@brahm-ahamasmi uhm that's a problem most believers deal with. They come to associate emotionally with aspects of their religion because of parental conditioning. I'm glad he's questioning it though. It always begins like that.
@@cd3597 I didn't find him questioning. I just found him self-justifying. He is not only justifying his own religion to himself, he is negating other religions as well. He has a very long way to being rational about theology.
Religious people don't realise that if their scriptures with 'supposed' smart things written in them proves God, then the same scriptures with full of contradiction, unscientific, illogical and inhumane things written in them proves that this God is not so smart, vile and an evil monster.
It is so heart breakingly pathetic the depths our entire education system has sunk to, that you have adults otherwise claiming to being "educated" in the formal, twisted, convoluted sense of that term, who do not have the slightest understanding of the basic difference between a CLAIM and EVIDENCE. And this I can say with an ever strenghthening conviction being a teacher for 30 odd years in my interactions with even post grads, let alone students of lower denominations. And it is only getting worse with extreme rapidity with ever burgeoning religious obscurantism, amplified conspiracy theories thru the virus of antisocial media, moral policing, and the slow yet systematic subversion of the basic constitutional character of representative democracy centred around the separation of church and state. In all these decades seldom have I come across a student with even the most rudimentary skills of critical thinking, skepticism and rationality, so much so that before even touching any of the core subjects that I teach, I have made it mandatory for these unfortunate ones to learn the basic structure of logic so that they atleast have an escape route out of the hell hole that we call the Indian education system.
I agree, but what can be the solution to this ? Because people have a tendency to switch off their critical thinking in certain areas of life though they might be highly educated or skilled in their domains.
I want to be religious person /guided by religious morality...but From childhood i am atheist i am moral person...but.i want that fear of god to preserve degradation of morality... I want my children to be happily indulge in religious task. While being rational.
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He came to conclusion that people of future gave the knowledge to people of past? Prove the conclusion first may be and then may be we can argue that people from the future came back. U r just saying things whixh u literally cannot prove. Right now do u have a conclusion that u can prove about the knowledge that has been written” in the book???
But again the question is Why we have to believe out of all the options, GOD (Allah) has sent down the QURAN. 1. Challenge: Allah swt challenges in the Quran, no other being can produce even a single verse of Quran even they try to; Quranic Verse : And if you are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter of the like." (2 23) This Single Quranic verse dismisses ur entire logic that Quran was indeed sent down by the creator. 2. All the scientific knowledge that is been present in the Quran, evolution of embryo, etc, ofc we will not dive into this much as the question of the hour is prove that this knowledge is from GOD. 3. historic knowledge evidences : many historical knowledge findings were also recently discovered by mankind 4 Lingustice Miracle. If u research more on Quran, u would come to about the lingustic miracles that Quran has.
@@substantialleague939 making verse is subjective matter.when the Quran challenges that no one can produce even a single verse like it, it's essentially a theological statement. It's not something that can be objectively measured or proven in the way we might measure a scientific fact.
@@Dr.AjazShaikh the moment someone believes something without any proof/logic or reason it is really difficult to talk with that person. Whatever the person is saying is his belief or faith and after this how can you argue?
My crush is a hardcore religious muslim and we a debate every single week..... she's a highly intelligent person academically, a MBBS student. rational about most things but when it comes to religion, she's just blind. As vimoh said Social conditions plays a really really huge part in forming one's way of thinking. She even says if i gotta marry her I'll have to convert to islam and acc to her allah sent her in my life to make a path for me to islam....like brooooo 😭
@@marketeer813 yes we've talked about everything, firstly as expected she's a homophobic...and I support LGBtq most of our debates have started bcz of this...she claims we should ban this
@@mother.95 exactly, I do like her she's a great human being..but I've made it very clear infront of her that Im not changing my beliefs to please her or anyone else
Splitting the moon into two just by signalling with a finger is a proven historic event.....😂😂😂😂... Ohh come on....... Be a little civics and rational with theories of the Quran......
He didn’t wrote but there were 27 Arabs people who could back than and they learned it and wrote it and preserved it. Also that guy didn’t abolished any claims of the guy at all. He was dodging question how Quran or Muhammad could tell, the books before like bible contain contradictions. Quran doesn’t contain any if you don’t include God, Angel, etc which science can’t prove. Also humans can never travel back in time due to we posses mass. And if they did, surely they will not make a new religion. Now will they and won’t show anyone? Some higher creatures than us could have told Muhammad? Yes this one is correct as Angel Jibrel told Muhammad and told him knowledge of things he didn’t knew and told him future which was revealed to Jibrel by God. He is correct atleast once but the entity have to be like us 3D or could it be higher dimension. Angels are intelligent creatures and when they were created. They literally believe immediately they were created and someone created them.
@@AbdulRehman-h3x - Hello sir, I want to address on thing - 'books before ... contain contradictions' - A scripture must contain contradictions. Otherwise no scholarship is possible. Without contradictions, a reader will not think, analyze and reflect on what is being said. In Bhagavat Gita Arjuna asks a direct question to Lord Krishna 'You sayings are contradictory and is confusing me [Chapter-3 Shloka-2]'. Then the Lord explains in detail about Karma and Jnana Yogas. If a scripture has no contradictions, it will not impart any knowlegde. I therefore disagree there is anything great about a book not containing contradictions.
@@kmokashi But It doesn’t have to if the things it explains are explained enough. And beside that your argument doesn’t work on Quran and guess Bible, or Old Testament might have some of those verses which couldn’t be known as we consider them word of God which are in todays time mixed and changed with humans words but still some verse will remain which were from Allah/God. Also all of the known to mankind contradict with their own words but Quran doesn’t and it’s a fact and prophet s.a.w predictions were true which have happened and ratio is? 100%. While others books you mentioned may don’t even have that 3%. So your comparison is flawed anyway.
@@kmokashi Also you can’t tell someone from future told them as humans won’t live that much and can neither travel in time due to possessing mass. Other 3D creatures from different planet. Why are they not seen now? Where are they and most probably explanation will be is that they will consider us as animals and will rule us. BUT Quran tells this is word of God transmitted by Angel Jibrel and given to Muhammad s.a.w. Thus you are to correct to say that Muhammad couldn’t knew it and someone told it and sure that someone who told Muhammad, he can tell that who told him and he mentioned Angel Jibrel and Angel are higher dimensional being and possessing immense knowledge and you can understand when they were created. They immediately realised that Allah/God created them and bow down their head and it’s Jibrel telling it himself. And what about Quran correcting Bible and Old Testament and lectures on history and science and their belief of trinity (Christian). Quran claimed that those verses were that revealed to Jesus but the people changed them and added them as they see fit.
If a book has 10 future predictions and out of which 9 things are right and the 10th thing is wrong then creator of the book was unable to make the 10th prediction so the creator himself is uncertain about the 10th thing this concludes that he is not a Supreme infinitely knowledgeable entity and hence he is not god
1) Read why Uthman burnt all the different versions of quran .2) Quran was not written down during the time of Mohammad 3) Mohammad himself told some verses and withdrew it later - satanic verses 4) Even in todays world there are umpteen versions of quran in Africa and Asia.
@@nyxythebaddie STOP MOCKING ! To address why the concept of "Satanic Verses" is not acceptable through a logical and theological perspective, it's essential to consider both the logical reasoning and Islamic principles. Here’s an in-depth analysis: ### **1. Theological Basis and Preservation of Revelation** **Theological Principle**: - **Divine Protection**: Islamic theology holds that the Quran is divinely protected from any error or corruption. This protection is outlined in the Quran itself. - **Surah Al-Hijr (15:9)**: “Indeed, it is We who sent down the Quran and indeed, We will be its guardian.” This verse assures that Allah has promised to safeguard the Quran from alterations or falsehood. **Logical Reasoning**: - **Consistency of Revelation**: The idea that Satan could have influenced the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) to insert false verses contradicts the notion of divine omnipotence and protection. If such verses existed, it would imply a failure of divine protection, which is inconsistent with the Quran’s assurance. - **Prophet’s Integrity**: The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) is considered the final prophet who conveyed Allah’s message faithfully. The concept of him unknowingly reciting or accepting false verses undermines his role and integrity as a messenger of God. ### **2. Understanding Abrogation (Naskh)** **Theological Principle**: - **Concept of Abrogation**: In Islamic jurisprudence, the concept of abrogation (Naskh) is acknowledged, where certain verses are superseded or replaced by others as per divine wisdom. - **Surah Al-Baqarah (2:106)**: “We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth one better than it or similar to it.” **Logical Reasoning**: - **Purpose of Abrogation**: Abrogation serves to clarify and adapt the message for changing circumstances, not to introduce falsehood. The idea of "Satanic Verses" suggests the insertion of false verses, which contradicts the concept of abrogation where divine wisdom guides changes, rather than error or falsehood. ### **3. Historical and Scholarly Consensus** **Historical Context**: - **Fabrications and Misinterpretations**: The notion of "Satanic Verses" largely arises from historical fabrications and misunderstandings. Reliable Islamic sources and historical records do not support the existence of such verses. **Scholarly Consensus**: - **Islamic Scholars**: Prominent Islamic scholars and historians have overwhelmingly rejected the "Satanic Verses" narrative as unfounded. The consensus is that the narrative is a misinterpretation or fabrication not supported by authentic sources. - **Sahih Hadith**: Authentic Hadith literature, including collections such as Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, does not contain evidence supporting the "Satanic Verses" incident. ### **4. Quranic Integrity and the Role of the Prophet** **Theological Principle**: - **Prophet’s Role**: The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) was chosen by Allah to deliver the final and complete message. His role was to convey the divine revelations accurately without alteration. - **Surah Al-Ahzab (33:40)**: “Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets.” **Logical Reasoning**: - **Final Revelation**: As the final revelation, the Quran is seen as complete and unalterable. The integrity of the message is paramount, and the concept of “Satanic Verses” undermines this fundamental principle by suggesting that falsehood could be part of the revelation. ### **5. Theological Consistency** **Theological Principle**: - **Divine Wisdom and Justice**: Allah’s actions and commands are consistent with divine wisdom and justice. Introducing falsehood and then correcting it would be inconsistent with divine justice and wisdom. **Logical Reasoning**: - **Divine Plan**: If the Quran had false verses, it would imply a failure in Allah’s divine plan. The Quran is meant to be a guidance for all time, and the concept of false verses contradicts this purpose. ### **Summary** The concept of "Satanic Verses" is rejected based on several logical and theological grounds: 1. **Divine Protection**: The Quran is protected by divine decree, and the idea of false verses undermines this protection. 2. **Purpose of Abrogation**: Abrogation serves a different purpose than introducing falsehood, which is not supported by Islamic principles. 3. **Historical and Scholarly Consensus**: The narrative of "Satanic Verses" is not supported by authentic Islamic sources and has been rejected by scholars. 4. **Prophet’s Integrity**: The Prophet Muhammad’s (S.A.W.) role as the final messenger necessitates the accurate transmission of divine revelations. 5. **Theological Consistency**: The concept of false verses is inconsistent with divine wisdom and justice. By addressing these points, one can understand why the "Satanic Verses" narrative does not hold up under scrutiny from both a theological and logical perspective.
500 years from now some people will worship Danerys Targaryen, mother of dragons and say It was revealed to Holy George RR Martin by the heavenly being.
Compilation and invention are 2 different things. Also, it was fully compiled till the time of Abu Bakr. The very first Khalifa after Prophet Muhammad. So its like only 2 years after his death. It was re compiled at the time of Usman..who was like 12 years after Prophet Muhammad,who was one of his companions into a single Arabic dialect and other dialects were destroyed to avoid inconsistencies. When u say compile, u mean that it was available in scattered form. The verses written on skin, wood, stones etc. It was compiled into a single book. 200 years later the book was being practised all over the muslim empires
Quran was never written by ALMIGHTY. But it was a collection of learnings, sayings and wisdom accumulated over a period of time. All Religious Books have some sort of mythology in it. They should be treated as "Guidance" to live a life.
They first believe that their scriptures are ultimate. Then they base everything on it... I have been watching quite a lot of discussions on this channel, but none of the believers could come out with something sensible for backing up their beliefs..
Isn't it interesting that that caller hasn't found any contradictions 'yet' in his holy book... I was brought up as a Christian (now an atheist)... i can give you a thousand contradiction in what we supposed to be my Holy Book
The Qur'an proves people invent their own gods to match their sociopolitical needs. The simplest explanation for how the Qur'an - or any other ancient text - has things in it that people could not have known is that it didn't, and the evidence for that is nobody explaining it that way until after it became known. Before it became known, it was understood in a completely different way.
Although islam fails as an entity that is good for society I still wouldn't have left it , the obvious basic science errors in quran and hadith made me leave it mohammad didnt knew about solar system , function of brain confused with heart , he didnt knew world will advance so much he predicts mehdi will fight with swords and horses ,he even showed the location where mehdis army would hang their swords and pray to god 😅
In fact there is nothing well documented. First books on seerah or life of prophet was written almost after 150 years of his death. Then the first books of Hadeeth were written almost after 250 years. sab gol maal hai jeeee
Hi,Vimoh, I want to know your point of view on purpose of creation that has in Abrahamic Religion ( Adam and Eve committed a sin in influence of Devil) in compared to Hinduism and other asian religion , that stress focus on creation and creator are altogether.
Brilliant answers and so logical. It is so funny to hear this guy use this reasoning! There are no such amazing verses.The Quran has many scientific errors and absolutely nothing that was not a product of the 7th century. Bring specific ayat to Ghalib Kamal’s channel caller! Vimoh is so amazingly patient and rational!
God of the gaps....How can an unlettered man recite beautiful arabic verses 1. Maybe he was a good poet. He was gifted with words. 2. Maybe his scribe made sure the normal stuff he wanted to write was written in a flowery way, the way we use Chatgpt to write our letters and essays 3. Maye the book is a gorup work written by a group of people of their own interests decades after his death. Somethign is mysterious, hence GOD exists, is a nonsense argument.
Loved it, hard to have a sensible discussion about religion.. Hats off to both the caller and speaker to stay respectful and objective. I hope the caller finds truth.
But you don’t have evidence that god does not exist. When u say that particular thing is not exist with enquiring or without any knowledge, isn’t it also superstitious.
One thing is really appreciated. The Muslim guy is really putting an effort to read hindu scriptures . How many Hindus have read Quran ? . We all need have an open mind then this religious intolerance will go
I think you haven't met those people. Since I am also seeing a Muslim putting an effort reading Hindu scripture for the first time. Nothing wrong but we need to consider broad spectrum of these things.
It's just a tolerance level of vimoh , he doesn't make fun of his logics and debated with him peacefully without offending anyone's belief Many islamic scholars have been defeated by atheist
I know muslims don't understand the value of tolerance, you should appreciate Vimoh the next person was very silly with his points. That intolerant behaviour let muslims down for centuries Vimoh might be arrested for having such peaceful and logical conversation if reside in Islamic nation!
If a foolish person comes to me to talk about his flying donkey stuff. Me explaining to him that its not logical is definately a difficult time for me.
12:40 Flawless logic, I don't like agree with any of your Politicals stances and find them stupid but truly jitne atheistic arguments hai They are perfect. A Rational person can be Curious, Atheistic, Agnostic,Skeptic only. There may exist a god but that thing that may or may not be god will not he anything like the god we hear in religions. Only the upnaishads make a logical point but again cant prove that so At the end it will Agnostism.
I believe this Universe was created by a Jaadui chhipkali. And that chhipkali gave us the power to think and create stuff. But it did not give us the power to climb walls. And that is why the world is crumbling right now, because us humans have now started innovating and climbing walls. The Jaadui chhipkali does not like it. PROVE ME WRONG !
Now brother your counteruestioning has got little defects........ Some christians say we have got our religion like this and so on..... But in this way hitler had awarded a scientist who said that moon is made of ice.......do we consider everyone...no...... Why?? There are two parts of a religious teacher..... 1)achaar......if he is not following his own teachings....he is a cheater....like asharam 2)prachar.....if he cannot make everyone at his own level....and say everyone can become as wyalified as i am by following this teaching....he is a cheater..... Brother leaving god what an atheist does is just doing what an animal does...eats,sleeps,mates,defends.......nothing more......... Q. We have got proof to show that moon is not made of ice.....do you have prove to show credibility of a teaching?? Ans. You have read books not prooves.......i am hundred percent sure you havent done the research....you have autbrity bias to tell what is irght or what is wrong...... Atleast 99% scietifc theories...you have just read in words....so you have faith also.............. So a man is bound to have authority bias and faith............ So this theistic atheistic debate is useless.......... Man is servant of god and his duty is not to take something from him.....his duty is to love him unconditionally........
You could have simply said " God exist because it's mentioned in Quran wont be evidence of existence of god " . Look the paradox , God wrote Quran and the evidence is , it's mentied in Quran . lol
Can someone please explain how a benevolent god asks his followers to slit the throats of innocent animals to appease him? Wouldn't he be happier if they let the animals live? Now if the Devil had said that it would make sense.
11:50 when something couldn't have been known by humans back then then the source is supernatural and that intelligent being that revealed the knowledge is what we call as GOD. Just put human ego, that says human is the most powerful being, aside and try to acknowledge the possibility of some infinite intelligent being that shared a slight but of knowledge with us, humans.
is it very necessary to prove the existence of god? we are surrounded by enormous stuff, each stuff has creator whatever that is. we didn't see the creator of that stuffs but we believe in that stuff's creator. in the universe we see there is sun, moon, star, meteor and galaxy. this thing not created itself. of course there is one creator. whom we called god. sake of argue, our parent is our god without them we not be created. nature is the part of god's organogram.
Budhhist and Buddhism don't claim the existence of God in their manuscripts also and even budhha's teaching was about self-improvement and having life which has no suffering. Buddhism is itself a movement against God worshipping and Animals sacrifice for God.
@@user9_11 i guess you are too confused! If Buddhism is atheistic then what are the other types of atheists. here I am confused! are all atheist, Buddhists or their other types i don't know about.
The guy who claims that quran hasn't had any change since it was given to Mohammed by God doesn't know that the Qur'an has as many as more than 20 different versions and has words and sentences which are entirely different from one another. Actually many countries in Africa follow a different version of quran than the one followed in the Arabian Peninsula 🤦🏽 Mohammad claims that Qur'an is from God, if you ask them what is the proof they will say that it's written in Qur'an. The you will ask who told you so then they will say that Mohammad said so🤦🏽 It's like a circle you will go from Mohammad to quran to God and then from God to quran to Mohammed 😀
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV. (Bible)
@@vimoh Thank you. There is a gulf of a difference between knowing about and knowing in reality. The man who rides a bicycle has experienced the bike, and is so much more at an advantage than those who know about bikes, but have never ridden one. The same is true with God. We can only experience God and such is in Spirit. Relationship with Him is in Spirit and such is true life. He gives to us, and such a relationship is now on His terms which is faith. Without faith, we can only pretend to know Him on our terms. All the theology, all the scriptures, all our isms and philosophies, all the debate, all our knowledge is but of the human mind and that is not true life. Scripture becomes of great value if God energises such with His life as we read. No scripture can prove the existence of God, indeed no worldly metric can prove (or disprove) who He is, as He is Absolute. Debate about Him , in the end, goes nowhere, save to establish our own misconceptions. The only way is to know Him is in faith, which is a gift from God.
@@vimoh These Tamil words refer to Rajnikanth's character in the 2007 movie 'Shivaji' Here is how he looked in that movie i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000010573263-dxp56d-t500x500.jpg Literal translation மொட்ட = Shaven head பாஸ் = Boss
I find Vimoh's argument quite good even tho i m a believer of god it's funny how the man was able to find no of contradictions in other religion without a single evidence but the book that was meant to be studied(as whole) from childhood he is yet to discover contradictions and i who haven't even read the book can present no of verses contradicting the logic(thanks to the ex- muslims). Thier loyalty to the faith🤯
ISKCON always bring bhagwatam and Bhagwat Geeta to prove their point. I personally believe in god and lord Krishna, it’s just a faith that I have which I may not prove.
I believe the caller came on the show to engage with vimoh about islam as only true religion and he is definitely never coming back now that he is exposed.
Budhhist and Buddhism don't claim the existence of God in their manuscripts also and even budhha's teaching was about self-improvement and having life which has no suffering. Buddhism is itself a movement against God worshipping and Animals sacrifice for God.
Evidence can be multifold - as simple as - look around you and name something that came into existence by itself .... and could be as nuanced as the Qur'an and its miraculous nature. What Vimoh saying about the documented structure is all BS without specifics. God exists because the Qur'an says He exists. The Qur'an makes claims about itself and about God, those should have been discussed. I would encourage Vimoh to read the Qur'an and then probably discuss on the specifics.
The argument the other guy was making was perhaps - Qur'an exists - it's a uniquely patterned book that has been incredibly preserved and has no contradictions. It was revealed to a man who known to be trustworthy in his community (as per historical accounts that aren't Muslim) and couldn't read or write. So either he copied it, came up with it on his own or someone gave it to him who wasn't known to the people then (else they would've all believed) ... and you can build the argument from there on.
And about the prophet Mohammad, there is a contradiction between Sunnis and Shias. Amongst Muslims shias firmly believe that the prophet could write and read, whereas Sunnis believe the prophet couldn't read or write. ( I am a Shia)
It always amazes me that most Indian people are ready to believe anything on the grounds of such flimsy facts. Most people don't understand the absolute rigor that is necessary in academic setting to present any claim as fact. They think hearsay and third/fourth person accounts written hundreds of years ago can be accepted as fact
It’s true for any religious community from all countries not just India. Indians can be atheist and secular humanist who believe in rationals vimoh is one of them. You should have used the word religion not Indian. Indian is means people or citizen of India. who can be Hindus, Muslims, Jains, Buddhist, Christians, Parsi ( zoroasters which I am pretty sure you have non in your area ) ( we have the second largest population of Muslims and one of the largest Christian population in the world entire north east is Christian). Don’t confuse Indian word with a religion just shows your ignorance. Now waiting for you you edit your comment or make a comeback. Cheers mofo.
Utopian guy seriously mofo that’s name you are going with you are someone who just read tempest and some essays about it and never even figured out that its impossible to have utopian society( actually is it’s like having heaven which is impossible to have) because one needs to blissfully happy and not have knowledge to be agree with utopian society because it’s conformist mofo.using the word utopia is a punch line to you mofo. Please don’t tell me the origin of the word is actually Greek cause you didn’t know it even.
@@sunilsingh-vf5qn I have used Indians here because that is my primary experience being Indian myself, those are the group of people I know most about and I primarily associate/concern myself with. Apart from India I have lived in United States for over a decade and I can claim to know United States and its people as well to a certain extent but my formative years were spent in India and hence my thoughts by default are from an Indian perspective I agree that religious people from all country will behave and think in such biased manner. However, here we are not talking about an exclusively religious person. The concerned individual in the above video claims that he is trying to learn about all religions and trying to find truth in his own way. Such people need to be more thorough and vigilant in their analysis if they want to seek truth Apart from this I still stand by the fact that most Indians are really shallow in their arguments and don't really understand the difference between facts and opinions. I can say this with more confidence after having lived in United States and having had countless discussion on religious topics with people here in United States. Not saying that people in United States are 100% rational in their approach in fact they are far from it but there is more general awareness of difference between fact and opinions and the level discussion is not so unsophisticated. For example, people don't call someone motherfucker because they don't like their opinion.
Dedinition of God- He is one,he is not born nor gave birth to anyone,nobody is equal or similar to him,he dont die and he is eternal,he created time !!!!
@@Raushan.Chitranshwhat where lol And your freking audacity when ur godmen have atrocious desires and fareaking families and many more And yeah ALLAH SWT IS NOT HOPLESS, NEITHER DEPENDAPLE , NOR EMOTIONAL BUT WRATH DOES EXIST WITHOUT WRATH THERE WOULD BE NO JUDGEMENT , NO PUNISHMENT SO IT IS NESSECARY FOR THE SUPREME BEING TO HAVE WRATH i.e power of destruction And again its just 'kun' 'be' And 'fayakun' ' it is '
It was not cosmic zebra. It was a naughty pokemon from 16th dimension. But that naughty pokemon revealed nothing, just farted and went back . That fart made some cave people hallucinate
thr are 31 different arebic version of kuran exists... so kuran is not one.. the zed zafar dots double dots lines on, below letters all introduced long long time after mohhammad. Arebi sript changed. and momins claims its Gods words no single zed zafar had changed 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
He is saying he didn't find any contradictions in Quran. I was born in a Hindu family but found plenty of contradictions in ALL so-called scriptures, including Vedas, Quran, Puran, Bible etc. It is so easy to find contradictions and fallacies in ALL old scriptures. In fact most of these religions became popular because of their tribal nature. People didn't really read the books and it is even true today. Number of Muslims who know what Quran says would be less than 0.1%. For Hindus the number is even lesser for their so-called religious books. A Billion strong Hindus and hardly any academic commentary on Vedas, Purans, Upanishads etc from Indian Hindus.
If God exist and you think he is most powerful and absolute then God is meaningless and if he is not powerful then he will not be able to help everyone ! God exist or Not it's only human issue Which was created by human. No other species on earth believe in God except human! Which people think is our creator
This atheist is nonsense as he has not read any of the holy scriptures, how he knows about the god and teaching and revelations... he is at almost bais of there is no god...and he is speaking about bais of inclined to religion by birth...
Just like DC can prove the existence of Batman. 😄
Hmm maybe your ignorance is typing
@@nsayyed5469Batman revealed himself to him.. i didn't know how to type before the reveal of the Batman himself.. exactly like Mhd..
@@prithwipatil5813I am real
@@shahrock6969 No doubt.. I am fully convinced my lord🙏
@@nsayyed5469 I don't know if god exists. I can't know that. I would need more proof. Because as per the general scenario. he's not very good at granting prayers and wishes. So I wouldn't spend time and pin hopes on some invisible force which might not exist. I'd rather use the time to entertain myself or do something useful which has a better chance of giving results.
All the books in this world are written by Humans 😊
Prove this bro
Yes 100 percent bro human wrote it
@@STUDENT-OF-ISLAM518 bcoz animals don't speak & write english,persian,hindi
@studentofIslam-ce1sk how can a being who does not have a physical form in this world write in a human language on a physical object such as a book. If god is not a person like us should he speak Arabic or any other language. Also did god discover earth 1400 years ago or 2000 years ago that he sent a rule book to follow. If some omnipotent creator wanted to share something with us wouldn't it have been through the beginning from adam(as the belief in Bible and Quran says)
@@VaibhavSingh-nv9tf sure he send from Adam to Muhammad s.a
.w you should need more attention please
I felt that the caller is dealing with aspects of his religion and he is open minded enough to want to discover the truth. Thanks vimoh. This was a really nice discussion.
I don't think he is open minded. He may become open minded in future but presently he is just trying to pacify himself about being open-minded. Any unbiased reading of Quran will make any rational person realize the dangers of Islam. The evidence is all around us.
@@brahm-ahamasmi uhm that's a problem most believers deal with. They come to associate emotionally with aspects of their religion because of parental conditioning. I'm glad he's questioning it though. It always begins like that.
@@cd3597 I didn't find him questioning. I just found him self-justifying. He is not only justifying his own religion to himself, he is negating other religions as well. He has a very long way to being rational about theology.
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Religious people don't realise that if their scriptures with 'supposed' smart things written in them proves God, then the same scriptures with full of contradiction, unscientific, illogical and inhumane things written in them proves that this God is not so smart, vile and an evil monster.
Hi luffy
@@udhayveersingh1855 Hellow Nakama 🤟🏼🤣
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@@warrior_of_liberation there's nothing in quran which can be proven wrong
If God is all good he cannot be all powerful, if he is all powerful, he cannot be all good - lex Luthor ,😁😁😁
i worship cosmic zebra, may peace be uppon him, embrace zebraism😂
It is so heart breakingly pathetic the depths our entire education system has sunk to, that you have adults otherwise claiming to being "educated" in the formal, twisted, convoluted sense of that term, who do not have the slightest understanding of the basic difference between a CLAIM and EVIDENCE. And this I can say with an ever strenghthening conviction being a teacher for 30 odd years in my interactions with even post grads, let alone students of lower denominations. And it is only getting worse with extreme rapidity with ever burgeoning religious obscurantism, amplified conspiracy theories thru the virus of antisocial media, moral policing, and the slow yet systematic subversion of the basic constitutional character of representative democracy centred around the separation of church and state. In all these decades seldom have I come across a student with even the most rudimentary skills of critical thinking, skepticism and rationality, so much so that before even touching any of the core subjects that I teach, I have made it mandatory for these unfortunate ones to learn the basic structure of logic so that they atleast have an escape route out of the hell hole that we call the Indian education system.
I agree, but what can be the solution to this ? Because people have a tendency to switch off their critical thinking in certain areas of life though they might be highly educated or skilled in their domains.
If it gets switched off there ain't much of it to start with.@@saikat93ify
True
Gentleman be like, Sure, sure sure.. For every question 😂😂😂
I thought that exact same thing. I was even about to comment "Sure"
sure !@@ashwanthickasuhirthi1435
Sure 😂😂😂😂
" Shor" 😂😂
Vimoh you just awakened atheism in me once again i was atheist since childhood but i become irrational for sometime.
it happens often with everyone its because we live in a highly relgious society
I switched between thiest and athiest a lot in past 5 years and now in the athiest phase
@@dv9239 what made u switch to being an atheist
I want to be religious person /guided by religious morality...but
From childhood i am atheist i am moral person...but.i want that fear of god to preserve degradation of morality...
I want my children to be happily indulge in religious task. While being rational.
@@adarshrathiiiiiiiiiiiii i don't think fear of god can preserve degradation of morality
I lost it at cosmic zebras 😂😂😂
I use 'wriggly pink hippos' in my argument 😅
This guy is definitely find his icon in Zakir Naik
Yeah that’s why I abjectly match lines about vedas
It's 😂 simple , just read Sky Book 📚 once in your mother tungue ...the you will understand Joker 🃏 Nalaik
Download: The curse of God how I left Islam- Harris Sultan
@@barnaliadhikary9421 He was making it a discussion as healthy as possible. He wasn't antagonistic to Vimoh in any way. And kudos to both of them.
As usual vimoh is destroying the claims😂
13:44 fallacy of common denominator
09:59 Can we all take a moment, just to applaud this beautiful answer !!!
He came to conclusion that people of future gave the knowledge to people of past?
Prove the conclusion first may be and then may be we can argue that people from the future came back.
U r just saying things whixh u literally cannot prove.
Right now do u have a conclusion that u can prove about the knowledge that has been written” in the book???
But again the question is Why we have to believe out of all the options, GOD (Allah) has sent down the QURAN.
1. Challenge: Allah swt challenges in the Quran, no other being can produce even a single verse of Quran even they try to;
Quranic Verse : And if you are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter of the like." (2 23)
This Single Quranic verse dismisses ur entire logic that Quran was indeed sent down by the creator.
2. All the scientific knowledge that is been present in the Quran, evolution of embryo, etc, ofc we will not dive into this much as the question of the hour is prove that this knowledge is from GOD.
3. historic knowledge evidences : many historical knowledge findings were also recently discovered by mankind
4 Lingustice Miracle. If u research more on Quran, u would come to about the lingustic miracles that Quran has.
@@substantialleague939 that same thing goes for god also
@@substantialleague939 making verse is subjective matter.when the Quran challenges that no one can produce even a single verse like it, it's essentially a theological statement. It's not something that can be objectively measured or proven in the way we might measure a scientific fact.
@@substantialleague939 can you prove me that moon split happened 1400 years ago ?
Appreciate the way you both conduct the conversation.. very decent
Is it that much difficult to understand what Vimoh argues? Enemies of reason!
@@Dr.AjazShaikh the moment someone believes something without any proof/logic or reason it is really difficult to talk with that person. Whatever the person is saying is his belief or faith and after this how can you argue?
My crush is a hardcore religious muslim and we a debate every single week..... she's a highly intelligent person academically, a MBBS student. rational about most things but when it comes to religion, she's just blind. As vimoh said Social conditions plays a really really huge part in forming one's way of thinking.
She even says if i gotta marry her I'll have to convert to islam and acc to her allah sent her in my life to make a path for me to islam....like brooooo 😭
Your second paragraph is where line must be drawn. Everything is fine as long as religious people don't lump the same beliefs on us.
Evolution ko sach manti h kya?
@@rish8184 partiall manti hai, as expected. I was soo surprised ki ye ek mbbs student ha and ise evolution pr doubts ha
@@marketeer813 yes we've talked about everything, firstly as expected she's a homophobic...and I support LGBtq most of our debates have started bcz of this...she claims we should ban this
@@mother.95 exactly, I do like her she's a great human being..but I've made it very clear infront of her that Im not changing my beliefs to please her or anyone else
Splitting the moon into two just by signalling with a finger is a proven historic event.....😂😂😂😂... Ohh come on....... Be a little civics and rational with theories of the Quran......
Q: How can an illiterate write a book? Wrong Answer: Therefore he was dictated by God; Correct Answer: Therefore he was not illiterate.
You are not ready to accept the real answer, so you make your own false answer😂😂
He didn’t wrote but there were 27 Arabs people who could back than and they learned it and wrote it and preserved it.
Also that guy didn’t abolished any claims of the guy at all. He was dodging question how Quran or Muhammad could tell, the books before like bible contain contradictions.
Quran doesn’t contain any if you don’t include God, Angel, etc which science can’t prove.
Also humans can never travel back in time due to we posses mass. And if they did, surely they will not make a new religion. Now will they and won’t show anyone?
Some higher creatures than us could have told Muhammad?
Yes this one is correct as Angel Jibrel told Muhammad and told him knowledge of things he didn’t knew and told him future which was revealed to Jibrel by God.
He is correct atleast once but the entity have to be like us 3D or could it be higher dimension.
Angels are intelligent creatures and when they were created. They literally believe immediately they were created and someone created them.
@@AbdulRehman-h3x - Hello sir, I want to address on thing - 'books before ... contain contradictions' - A scripture must contain contradictions. Otherwise no scholarship is possible. Without contradictions, a reader will not think, analyze and reflect on what is being said. In Bhagavat Gita Arjuna asks a direct question to Lord Krishna 'You sayings are contradictory and is confusing me [Chapter-3 Shloka-2]'. Then the Lord explains in detail about Karma and Jnana Yogas. If a scripture has no contradictions, it will not impart any knowlegde. I therefore disagree there is anything great about a book not containing contradictions.
@@kmokashi But It doesn’t have to if the things it explains are explained enough.
And beside that your argument doesn’t work on Quran and guess Bible, or Old Testament might have some of those verses which couldn’t be known as we consider them word of God which are in todays time mixed and changed with humans words but still some verse will remain which were from Allah/God.
Also all of the known to mankind contradict with their own words but Quran doesn’t and it’s a fact and prophet s.a.w predictions were true which have happened and ratio is? 100%. While others books you mentioned may don’t even have that 3%.
So your comparison is flawed anyway.
@@kmokashi Also you can’t tell someone from future told them as humans won’t live that much and can neither travel in time due to possessing mass. Other 3D creatures from different planet. Why are they not seen now? Where are they and most probably explanation will be is that they will consider us as animals and will rule us.
BUT Quran tells this is word of God transmitted by Angel Jibrel and given to Muhammad s.a.w.
Thus you are to correct to say that Muhammad couldn’t knew it and someone told it and sure that someone who told Muhammad, he can tell that who told him and he mentioned Angel Jibrel and Angel are higher dimensional being and possessing immense knowledge and you can understand when they were created. They immediately realised that Allah/God created them and bow down their head and it’s Jibrel telling it himself.
And what about Quran correcting Bible and Old Testament and lectures on history and science and their belief of trinity (Christian). Quran claimed that those verses were that revealed to Jesus but the people changed them and added them as they see fit.
He wanted to be like Zakir naik but got totally roasted 😂
If a book has 10 future predictions and out of which 9 things are right and the 10th thing is wrong then creator of the book was unable to make the 10th prediction so the creator himself is uncertain about the 10th thing this concludes that he is not a Supreme infinitely knowledgeable entity and hence he is not god
Hahaha and religious texts have only less than 50 percent prediction correct
If I predict 1000s of things
Many things can comes true but it will not be 100%
Bring me one prediction in Islam that has not been correct go ahead bro 👍
@@Garena_fuelbring me 1 prediction that has been correct
@@Garena_fuelcome to Adam seeker live
1) Read why Uthman burnt all the different versions of quran .2) Quran was not written down during the time of Mohammad
3) Mohammad himself told some verses and withdrew it later - satanic verses
4) Even in todays world there are umpteen versions of quran in Africa and Asia.
"trust me bro"
@@nyxythebaddie Google it
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STOP MOCKING !
To address why the concept of "Satanic Verses" is not acceptable through a logical and theological perspective, it's essential to consider both the logical reasoning and Islamic principles. Here’s an in-depth analysis:
### **1. Theological Basis and Preservation of Revelation**
**Theological Principle**:
- **Divine Protection**: Islamic theology holds that the Quran is divinely protected from any error or corruption. This protection is outlined in the Quran itself.
- **Surah Al-Hijr (15:9)**: “Indeed, it is We who sent down the Quran and indeed, We will be its guardian.” This verse assures that Allah has promised to safeguard the Quran from alterations or falsehood.
**Logical Reasoning**:
- **Consistency of Revelation**: The idea that Satan could have influenced the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) to insert false verses contradicts the notion of divine omnipotence and protection. If such verses existed, it would imply a failure of divine protection, which is inconsistent with the Quran’s assurance.
- **Prophet’s Integrity**: The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) is considered the final prophet who conveyed Allah’s message faithfully. The concept of him unknowingly reciting or accepting false verses undermines his role and integrity as a messenger of God.
### **2. Understanding Abrogation (Naskh)**
**Theological Principle**:
- **Concept of Abrogation**: In Islamic jurisprudence, the concept of abrogation (Naskh) is acknowledged, where certain verses are superseded or replaced by others as per divine wisdom.
- **Surah Al-Baqarah (2:106)**: “We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth one better than it or similar to it.”
**Logical Reasoning**:
- **Purpose of Abrogation**: Abrogation serves to clarify and adapt the message for changing circumstances, not to introduce falsehood. The idea of "Satanic Verses" suggests the insertion of false verses, which contradicts the concept of abrogation where divine wisdom guides changes, rather than error or falsehood.
### **3. Historical and Scholarly Consensus**
**Historical Context**:
- **Fabrications and Misinterpretations**: The notion of "Satanic Verses" largely arises from historical fabrications and misunderstandings. Reliable Islamic sources and historical records do not support the existence of such verses.
**Scholarly Consensus**:
- **Islamic Scholars**: Prominent Islamic scholars and historians have overwhelmingly rejected the "Satanic Verses" narrative as unfounded. The consensus is that the narrative is a misinterpretation or fabrication not supported by authentic sources.
- **Sahih Hadith**: Authentic Hadith literature, including collections such as Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, does not contain evidence supporting the "Satanic Verses" incident.
### **4. Quranic Integrity and the Role of the Prophet**
**Theological Principle**:
- **Prophet’s Role**: The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) was chosen by Allah to deliver the final and complete message. His role was to convey the divine revelations accurately without alteration.
- **Surah Al-Ahzab (33:40)**: “Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets.”
**Logical Reasoning**:
- **Final Revelation**: As the final revelation, the Quran is seen as complete and unalterable. The integrity of the message is paramount, and the concept of “Satanic Verses” undermines this fundamental principle by suggesting that falsehood could be part of the revelation.
### **5. Theological Consistency**
**Theological Principle**:
- **Divine Wisdom and Justice**: Allah’s actions and commands are consistent with divine wisdom and justice. Introducing falsehood and then correcting it would be inconsistent with divine justice and wisdom.
**Logical Reasoning**:
- **Divine Plan**: If the Quran had false verses, it would imply a failure in Allah’s divine plan. The Quran is meant to be a guidance for all time, and the concept of false verses contradicts this purpose.
### **Summary**
The concept of "Satanic Verses" is rejected based on several logical and theological grounds:
1. **Divine Protection**: The Quran is protected by divine decree, and the idea of false verses undermines this protection.
2. **Purpose of Abrogation**: Abrogation serves a different purpose than introducing falsehood, which is not supported by Islamic principles.
3. **Historical and Scholarly Consensus**: The narrative of "Satanic Verses" is not supported by authentic Islamic sources and has been rejected by scholars.
4. **Prophet’s Integrity**: The Prophet Muhammad’s (S.A.W.) role as the final messenger necessitates the accurate transmission of divine revelations.
5. **Theological Consistency**: The concept of false verses is inconsistent with divine wisdom and justice.
By addressing these points, one can understand why the "Satanic Verses" narrative does not hold up under scrutiny from both a theological and logical perspective.
500 years from now some people will worship Danerys Targaryen, mother of dragons and say It was revealed to Holy George RR Martin by the heavenly being.
George will be the trickster god coz he fooled everyone into thinking he'll finish the book
@@dv9239that mf will do everything but complete the book...
There is abundant evidence that even that book is compiled in a period of 200 years, not an unaltered version from year zero.
Compilation and invention are 2 different things. Also, it was fully compiled till the time of Abu Bakr. The very first Khalifa after Prophet Muhammad. So its like only 2 years after his death. It was re compiled at the time of Usman..who was like 12 years after Prophet Muhammad,who was one of his companions into a single Arabic dialect and other dialects were destroyed to avoid inconsistencies. When u say compile, u mean that it was available in scattered form. The verses written on skin, wood, stones etc. It was compiled into a single book. 200 years later the book was being practised all over the muslim empires
Quran was never written by ALMIGHTY. But it was a collection of learnings, sayings and wisdom accumulated over a period of time.
All Religious Books have some sort of mythology in it. They should be treated as "Guidance" to live a life.
Good debate. Keep up the good work, Vimoh. 👍
They first believe that their scriptures are ultimate. Then they base everything on it... I have been watching quite a lot of discussions on this channel, but none of the believers could come out with something sensible for backing up their beliefs..
Salute to your tollerance, Vimoh , how can you have conversations, without laughing on his illogics
@@jeeguruji3945 he’s amazing
Isn't it interesting that that caller hasn't found any contradictions 'yet' in his holy book...
I was brought up as a Christian (now an atheist)... i can give you a thousand contradiction in what we supposed to be my Holy Book
let him have his journey. he seemed open minded enough. he'll get there
@@vimoh Wow... Vimoh... It's awesome to get a reply from you
can u share them? the contradictions... where can i find them
Nobody can make someone believe in god thts why even in Qur'an Allah says to prophet that his job is only to convey the message !!
@@vimohHe is open-minded about Hinduism and Christian faith. Not much about Islam.
When I left my religion I felt truly free.
VIMOH-: May I know your religion ?
Caller -: For the sake of arguements lets not disclose it.
VIMOH-: Are you born in Muslim ?
caller-: Yes !!!!
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The Qur'an proves people invent their own gods to match their sociopolitical needs.
The simplest explanation for how the Qur'an - or any other ancient text - has things in it that people could not have known is that it didn't, and the evidence for that is nobody explaining it that way until after it became known.
Before it became known, it was understood in a completely different way.
What are you babbling man.explain it clearly
So your saying it's the matter of interpretation. All the statements are written so vaguely, that It depends on the reader to interpret it.
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Gotta give credit where it's due. At least the theist wasn't too rude as compared to others in his community.
Rude people exist in every religion
@@vimoh By community I meant theism in general not any specific religion.
Man created GOD in his image.
I thought the other way around... If what you say is right, God should be worshiping the man....😮😮😮
Stop copy paste and be rational...
Although islam fails as an entity that is good for society I still wouldn't have left it , the obvious basic science errors in quran and hadith made me leave it
mohammad didnt knew about solar system , function of brain confused with heart , he didnt knew world will advance so much he predicts mehdi will fight with swords and horses ,he even showed the location where mehdis army would hang their swords and pray to god 😅
@@samiabdul9754 same reason for leaving islam
In fact there is nothing well documented. First books on seerah or life of prophet was written almost after 150 years of his death. Then the first books of Hadeeth were written almost after 250 years. sab gol maal hai jeeee
source?
After 250 years they compiled hadeeths not written
@@upscaspirant5666 lol you don't find any hadees from Mohammad's period
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Hi,Vimoh, I want to know your point of view on purpose of creation that has in Abrahamic Religion ( Adam and Eve committed a sin in influence of Devil) in compared to Hinduism and other asian religion , that stress focus on creation and creator are altogether.
Bro Adam eve is fairly tail we came from Homo eregastus homo efectos etc.
Brilliant answers and so logical. It is so funny to hear this guy use this reasoning! There are no such amazing verses.The Quran has many scientific errors and absolutely nothing that was not a product of the 7th century. Bring specific ayat to Ghalib Kamal’s channel caller! Vimoh is so amazingly patient and rational!
Vimoh, if you dont know top 10 contradiction in every holy book, then you should debate on Atheism.. it Just makes you look uninformed
God of the gaps....How can an unlettered man recite beautiful arabic verses
1. Maybe he was a good poet. He was gifted with words.
2. Maybe his scribe made sure the normal stuff he wanted to write was written in a flowery way, the way we use Chatgpt to write our letters and essays
3. Maye the book is a gorup work written by a group of people of their own interests decades after his death.
Somethign is mysterious, hence GOD exists, is a nonsense argument.
Loved it, hard to have a sensible discussion about religion.. Hats off to both the caller and speaker to stay respectful and objective. I hope the caller finds truth.
But you don’t have evidence that god does not exist. When u say that particular thing is not exist with enquiring or without any knowledge, isn’t it also superstitious.
Really liked the guest's approach in the second half, he was calm and had the patience to listen!
Sir, one peaceful and respectful debate with @muftiyasirnadimalwajidi on existence of God
Every ex muslim agree that Islam is a peaceful religioun😂.
One thing is really appreciated. The Muslim guy is really putting an effort to read hindu scriptures . How many Hindus have read Quran ? . We all need have an open mind then this religious intolerance will go
I think you haven't met those people. Since I am also seeing a Muslim putting an effort reading Hindu scripture for the first time. Nothing wrong but we need to consider broad spectrum of these things.
Am not gonna read either
How many muslims have read Geeta?
Kya chutiyapa bol rha bhai🤦
Reading Hindu scriptures for what? To learn something, no. Just to find faults.
And you get what you want to get.
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A man who was looking for Islam gave him such a difficult time...imagine if there was a knowledgeable islamic scholar
It's just a tolerance level of vimoh , he doesn't make fun of his logics and debated with him peacefully without offending anyone's belief
Many islamic scholars have been defeated by atheist
I know muslims don't understand the value of tolerance, you should appreciate Vimoh the next person was very silly with his points.
That intolerant behaviour let muslims down for centuries Vimoh might be arrested for having such peaceful and logical conversation if reside in Islamic nation!
If a foolish person comes to me to talk about his flying donkey stuff.
Me explaining to him that its not logical is definately a difficult time for me.
There's nothing scholarly in any of that backward rubbish.
10:10 people from future 😂 vimoh sir that is something not expected from you, it's a well established fact that time travel in Past is impossible. 😅
Dear Vimoh i really appreciate your patience ❤
To prove your religion, you have to talk irrational stuff. The guy tried to rationalize his talk, and proved nothing.
12:40 Flawless logic, I don't like agree with any of your Politicals stances and find them stupid but truly jitne atheistic arguments hai They are perfect. A Rational person can be Curious, Atheistic, Agnostic,Skeptic only. There may exist a god but that thing that may or may not be god will not he anything like the god we hear in religions. Only the upnaishads make a logical point but again cant prove that so At the end it will Agnostism.
What does the upnishad say about the God that possibily may exist logically
He is just a fundamentalist, atheist and sceptical about other religions but conservative for his own!
I believe this Universe was created by a Jaadui chhipkali. And that chhipkali gave us the power to think and create stuff. But it did not give us the power to climb walls. And that is why the world is crumbling right now, because us humans have now started innovating and climbing walls. The Jaadui chhipkali does not like it.
PROVE ME WRONG !
Your cult sounds interesting I wanna join :D
No😤
I believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster
Why we need god ?
something to hold onto for believers
For entertainment
For travel and tourism.
@@jitukumar-wx3hctrue 😂
To enforce "Act of God"
In 6th century only prophet mohammad was illiterate and everyone there in saudi arabia has a university degree in comparative religion 😂😂
There is no new information which the Quran gives. On the contrary it gives the wrong explanation
They claims to understand the universe n his creator but in reality they can't even get up the logical fallacies
Now brother your counteruestioning has got little defects........
Some christians say we have got our religion like this and so on.....
But in this way hitler had awarded a scientist who said that moon is made of ice.......do we consider everyone...no......
Why?? There are two parts of a religious teacher.....
1)achaar......if he is not following his own teachings....he is a cheater....like asharam
2)prachar.....if he cannot make everyone at his own level....and say everyone can become as wyalified as i am by following this teaching....he is a cheater.....
Brother leaving god what an atheist does is just doing what an animal does...eats,sleeps,mates,defends.......nothing more.........
Q. We have got proof to show that moon is not made of ice.....do you have prove to show credibility of a teaching??
Ans. You have read books not prooves.......i am hundred percent sure you havent done the research....you have autbrity bias to tell what is irght or what is wrong......
Atleast 99% scietifc theories...you have just read in words....so you have faith also..............
So a man is bound to have authority bias and faith............
So this theistic atheistic debate is useless..........
Man is servant of god and his duty is not to take something from him.....his duty is to love him unconditionally........
Parts of gita, quran, bible are poetic because there were not printing press. People used to remember holy books
You could have simply said " God exist because it's mentioned in Quran wont be evidence of existence of god " .
Look the paradox ,
God wrote Quran and the evidence is , it's mentied in Quran . lol
Can someone please explain how a benevolent god asks his followers to slit the throats of innocent animals to appease him? Wouldn't he be happier if they let the animals live? Now if the Devil had said that it would make sense.
11:50 when something couldn't have been known by humans back then then the source is supernatural and that intelligent being that revealed the knowledge is what we call as GOD. Just put human ego, that says human is the most powerful being, aside and try to acknowledge the possibility of some infinite intelligent being that shared a slight but of knowledge with us, humans.
To all ex-muslims: Peace be upon YOU (not the other guy). You are a blessing to the world.
Here's a spider man comics that says spider man exists. It is written right in the book.
According to lslam Allah created this universe 😂😂😂what a joke
Proud to be an Ex-Hindu 😊
LOL! So cute he was trying to hide being a Muslim
is it very necessary to prove the existence of god? we are surrounded by enormous stuff, each stuff has creator whatever that is. we didn't see the creator of that stuffs but we believe in that stuff's creator. in the universe we see there is sun, moon, star, meteor and galaxy. this thing not created itself. of course there is one creator. whom we called god. sake of argue, our parent is our god without them we not be created. nature is the part of god's organogram.
I have one doubt about Buddhism! Is it atheist or something else or they warship god?
Budhhist and Buddhism don't claim the existence of God in their manuscripts also and even budhha's teaching was about self-improvement and having life which has no suffering.
Buddhism is itself a movement against God worshipping and Animals sacrifice for God.
@@user9_11 i guess you are too confused!
If Buddhism is atheistic then what are the other types of atheists. here I am confused!
are all atheist, Buddhists or their other types
i don't know about.
The guy who claims that quran hasn't had any change since it was given to Mohammed by God doesn't know that the Qur'an has as many as more than 20 different versions and has words and sentences which are entirely different from one another.
Actually many countries in Africa follow a different version of quran than the one followed in the Arabian Peninsula 🤦🏽
Mohammad claims that Qur'an is from God, if you ask them what is the proof they will say that it's written in Qur'an. The you will ask who told you so then they will say that Mohammad said so🤦🏽
It's like a circle you will go from Mohammad to quran to God and then from God to quran to Mohammed 😀
JK Rowling and JR Tolkein also wrote about beings we've never seen.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV. (Bible)
If he cannot know them, what are you trying to explain?
@@vimoh Thank you. There is a gulf of a difference between knowing about and knowing in reality. The man who rides a bicycle has experienced the bike, and is so much more at an advantage than those who know about bikes, but have never ridden one. The same is true with God. We can only experience God and such is in Spirit. Relationship with Him is in Spirit and such is true life. He gives to us, and such a relationship is now on His terms which is faith. Without faith, we can only pretend to know Him on our terms. All the theology, all the scriptures, all our isms and philosophies, all the debate, all our knowledge is but of the human mind and that is not true life. Scripture becomes of great value if God energises such with His life as we read. No scripture can prove the existence of God, indeed no worldly metric can prove (or disprove) who He is, as He is Absolute. Debate about Him , in the end, goes nowhere, save to establish our own misconceptions. The only way is to know Him is in faith, which is a gift from God.
So make up your mind. Can god be known or not known?
Gaslighting
@@vimoh Of course He can. But it has to be on His terms. However, His terms are open to all.
Nice discussion. Caller seems to me quiet open to explore other religion as well
All great things in quran and bible are copied from Vedas😊😊😊
Wow... New மொட்ட பாஸ் look.... Awesome buddy
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translation (mota boss)@@vimoh , slang which refers to Rajnikanth
@@vimoh
These Tamil words refer to Rajnikanth's character in the 2007 movie 'Shivaji'
Here is how he looked in that movie
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Literal translation
மொட்ட = Shaven head
பாஸ் = Boss
I find Vimoh's argument quite good even tho i m a believer of god it's funny how the man was able to find no of contradictions in other religion without a single evidence but the book that was meant to be studied(as whole) from childhood he is yet to discover contradictions and i who haven't even read the book can present no of verses contradicting the logic(thanks to the ex- muslims). Thier loyalty to the faith🤯
Do you have contradictions in quran.if yes, please can you present it to me , I have to debunk quran.thanks .
@@dannystark7668how are you on youtube and searching for your answer in comments instead of typing it in the youtube search bar?
ISKCON always bring bhagwatam and Bhagwat Geeta to prove their point. I personally believe in god and lord Krishna, it’s just a faith that I have which I may not prove.
You and Krishna are one .
@@abhijeetchavhan37 Yeah, Advaita/Non-duality is Truth
Ghalib kamal तेरी ऐसी फाड़ता की तू जिंदगी भर याद रखता।
I can see Ben 10 😅
I believe the caller came on the show to engage with vimoh about islam as only true religion and he is definitely never coming back now that he is exposed.
Budhhist and Buddhism don't claim the existence of God in their manuscripts also and even budhha's teaching was about self-improvement and having life which has no suffering.
Buddhism is itself a movement against God worshipping and Animals sacrifice for God.
The series of Harry Potter is more logicaly consistent and put together better than Quran.
Evidence can be multifold - as simple as - look around you and name something that came into existence by itself .... and could be as nuanced as the Qur'an and its miraculous nature. What Vimoh saying about the documented structure is all BS without specifics. God exists because the Qur'an says He exists. The Qur'an makes claims about itself and about God, those should have been discussed. I would encourage Vimoh to read the Qur'an and then probably discuss on the specifics.
The argument the other guy was making was perhaps - Qur'an exists - it's a uniquely patterned book that has been incredibly preserved and has no contradictions. It was revealed to a man who known to be trustworthy in his community (as per historical accounts that aren't Muslim) and couldn't read or write. So either he copied it, came up with it on his own or someone gave it to him who wasn't known to the people then (else they would've all believed) ... and you can build the argument from there on.
@@mhmmdmz there are lot of contradiction in Quran and Quran is not 100% preserved
There are different versions of Quran.
Let’s not speak in generalities.
And about the prophet Mohammad, there is a contradiction between Sunnis and Shias. Amongst Muslims shias firmly believe that the prophet could write and read, whereas Sunnis believe the prophet couldn't read or write. ( I am a Shia)
Belief is not knowledge but without belief there is no question of knowledge at all.
Can anyone explain what is black and what is white
It always amazes me that most Indian people are ready to believe anything on the grounds of such flimsy facts. Most people don't understand the absolute rigor that is necessary in academic setting to present any claim as fact. They think hearsay and third/fourth person accounts written hundreds of years ago can be accepted as fact
It’s true for any religious community from all countries not just India. Indians can be atheist and secular humanist who believe in rationals vimoh is one of them. You should have used the word religion not Indian. Indian is means people or citizen of India. who can be Hindus, Muslims, Jains, Buddhist, Christians, Parsi ( zoroasters which I am pretty sure you have non in your area ) ( we have the second largest population of Muslims and one of the largest Christian population in the world entire north east is Christian). Don’t confuse Indian word with a religion just shows your ignorance. Now waiting for you you edit your comment or make a comeback. Cheers mofo.
Utopian guy seriously mofo that’s name you are going with you are someone who just read tempest and some essays about it and never even figured out that its impossible to have utopian society( actually is it’s like having heaven which is impossible to have) because one needs to blissfully happy and not have knowledge to be agree with utopian society because it’s conformist mofo.using the word utopia is a punch line to you mofo. Please don’t tell me the origin of the word is actually Greek cause you didn’t know it even.
@@sunilsingh-vf5qn
I have used Indians here because that is my primary experience being Indian myself, those are the group of people I know most about and I primarily associate/concern myself with. Apart from India I have lived in United States for over a decade and I can claim to know United States and its people as well to a certain extent but my formative years were spent in India and hence my thoughts by default are from an Indian perspective
I agree that religious people from all country will behave and think in such biased manner. However, here we are not talking about an exclusively religious person. The concerned individual in the above video claims that he is trying to learn about all religions and trying to find truth in his own way. Such people need to be more thorough and vigilant in their analysis if they want to seek truth
Apart from this I still stand by the fact that most Indians are really shallow in their arguments and don't really understand the difference between facts and opinions. I can say this with more confidence after having lived in United States and having had countless discussion on religious topics with people here in United States. Not saying that people in United States are 100% rational in their approach in fact they are far from it but there is more general awareness of difference between fact and opinions and the level discussion is not so unsophisticated. For example, people don't call someone motherfucker because they don't like their opinion.
Thermodynamics>>>>>>> Atheism
Dedinition of God- He is one,he is not born nor gave birth to anyone,nobody is equal or similar to him,he dont die and he is eternal,he created time !!!!
But Allah has Emotion , just like we human have...😊😊😊
@@Raushan.Chitranshwhat where lol
And your freking audacity when ur godmen have atrocious desires and fareaking families and many more
And yeah ALLAH SWT IS NOT HOPLESS, NEITHER DEPENDAPLE , NOR EMOTIONAL
BUT WRATH DOES EXIST WITHOUT WRATH THERE WOULD BE NO JUDGEMENT , NO PUNISHMENT
SO IT IS NESSECARY FOR THE SUPREME BEING TO HAVE WRATH i.e power of destruction
And again its just 'kun' 'be'
And 'fayakun' ' it is '
PROUD TO BE AN ATHIEST
All Gods made by human.
Fun fact:- he said he didn't read the Qur'an 🙂
It was not cosmic zebra. It was a naughty pokemon from 16th dimension.
But that naughty pokemon revealed nothing, just farted and went back .
That fart made some cave people hallucinate
thr are 31 different arebic version of kuran exists...
so kuran is not one..
the zed zafar dots double dots lines on, below letters all introduced long long time after mohhammad.
Arebi sript changed.
and
momins claims its Gods words no single zed zafar had changed
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
If we take religion out of the world, the world itself will become hell.
He is saying he didn't find any contradictions in Quran. I was born in a Hindu family but found plenty of contradictions in ALL so-called scriptures, including Vedas, Quran, Puran, Bible etc. It is so easy to find contradictions and fallacies in ALL old scriptures. In fact most of these religions became popular because of their tribal nature. People didn't really read the books and it is even true today. Number of Muslims who know what Quran says would be less than 0.1%. For Hindus the number is even lesser for their so-called religious books. A Billion strong Hindus and hardly any academic commentary on Vedas, Purans, Upanishads etc from Indian Hindus.
The law of nature is pure God(Spinoza's God),and Math is the language of the Great God,he doesn't intervene in our sphere.
The person defending the existing of God through Qur'an is making Zakir Naik's points. Quite literally.
Stories in the Quran are all fables plagarised from ancient myth and claimed it as revelation from God 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If God exist and you think he is most powerful and absolute then God is meaningless and if he is not powerful then he will not be able to help everyone !
God exist or Not it's only human issue
Which was created by human. No other species on earth believe in God except human! Which people think is our creator
15:48 😂😂😂😂😂 zero contractions in my sky Book - every religious guy
Can you prove that the earth and stars are selfmade
Can u prove that it is made by allha
This atheist is nonsense as he has not read any of the holy scriptures, how he knows about the god and teaching and revelations... he is at almost bais of there is no god...and he is speaking about bais of inclined to religion by birth...
This guy doesn't know how Quran was compiled. Watch some Jay Smith content.