TIGER SWING ANALYSIS CAN BE DANGEROUS
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TIGER SWING ANALYSIS CAN BE DANGEROUS Mark Crossfield talks about the issues with many Tiger swing videos that we see day in day out. This is a serious golf lessons for all golfers watching golf tips and golf videos.
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LETS START A SIGNED PETITION TO GET MARK ON SOME LIVE TV GOLF COVERAGE COMMENTARY - can you imagine the uproar brah?!?! Would be the best thing on live tv since live tv hahaha
Supra_X_Gixxer hahaha as awesome as that would be, it would ultimately become a grudge match against mark and Brandel. Wouldn’t that be lovely.
not only would i pay big money to see that...it would be hilarious...then hopefully they could get into a celebrity grudge match and see brandel get knocked out. the rubbish that comes out that guys mouth for the last 10 years is UNBELIEVABLE hahaha
Videos like this is what separates you from the rest of golf youtubers. Keep up the good work! Cheers brah!
Fair play to you mark for sticking your neck out to tell the truth. It just proves you genuinely want all of us subscribers to actually improve at this at times very frustrating game. Don’t let the haters grind you down stand up for what you believe bruh.
Sadly I think Mark is too ahead of the game. Hopefully golf will catch up with him soon. Keep up the good work pal 👏👏
Couldn't agree more. The TV analysis is so bad I almost prefer the adverts to the 'expert punditry'.
"He got a bit quick on that one." "That wasn't a good swing, you could see him save it at impact." No he didn't. No you can't. Please stop talking.
Dude, you are by far MY favorite golf guy on UA-cam. There are a couple others I like (Finch and Fried Eggs) but the quality of content you produce along with your raw honesty is hard to find. Not saying others don't provide the same things but the way you do it is unmatched. You keep doing you, brah.
This is the definition of quality. There isn't anything more to say. Another quality video sir
They really do cloud the water for the viewers....good work Mark
Literally couldn't be more spot on mate! keep talking the truth like this. Way to many people heading down the route of trying to please everyone by feeding the bull s**t #quickestwaytofail
We all know the best person to do commentary of any kind is Coach. World class hmmmm's when there is nothing to be said. Also could give us a nice description of paths around tour venues! 😁
Martin Dawson his hmmmmm's always capture the moment perfectly
Taylormade paid 24 employees to dislike this video lol
However I will say more. Of all the videos you have produced and I literally have watched them all (just ask my wife) this one speaks the loudest to the state of golf. So many people, myself included, getting horrible advice and theories jammed in our heads that can ultimately hurt a lot of golfers. This is absolutely spot on, quality to the highest degree.
The best stuff on you tube by a mile. I don’t miss a day 👍🏻 Come on brah... name names 🤔😂
So I'm not being dull if I don't understand the "" hands past the sternum getting a lot hand distortion and face volitilaty "" being said by the studio guy....😧😳😲🤫
Off to range to undistort my hands 😉
Love the honour your bring to our sport/game
That sadly so many dishonour 🏌🏻♂️
This is why I love your content! MAVERICK MARK 😂😂 couldn’t agree more on the situation in the industry, would much rather watch your content knowing you’ll say exactly what you think and respect your viewers rather than producing crap videos like the me and my golf guys for example like the other day with their tiger woods video! Don’t give into the click bait mate and keep being you 👊👊👊
Laughable how many times putts breaking towards the ocean was mentioned at the weekend #classic
I like trackman maestro too 👍
Very well said Mark always a good watch on a night shift cheers keep up the good work
Mark, I agree that on PGA tour, the announcers try to give so much analysis that it gets annoying. I would rather listen to feritiy and McCord banter back and forth and watch them play. Personally, I started watching LPGA and LET because of my girls and love it much more. Judy Rankin and Karin Stubles give great views as color commentators. Plus, watching the ladies course plan is amazing to watch. #lpgaisthebest #globaltour
I found it very important that Groot was on hand to put the waffle out there into the right context.Nice job Groot and Milo
Aww, come on mark, come look at my carpet!
We gave up on our sports commentators 20 years ago in Australia. They are entertainers just out to get a laugh. No one takes them seriously.
After spending 12 hours in A&E today I haven't got much to say except .... great vid bruh 👏
I completely agree Mark, I wonder if they will ever put a trackman/gc quad on tees and show club rather than ball data so analysts are better positioned to critique a tour players golf swing?
Thank you Mark. Never ever change, I can't stress to you enough how much I respect you. Thank you for opening our eyes and ears to the facts and continuing to educate us every single video.
Mark - You've got to get in the PGA commentary pundit seat. The producers would pull their hair out!! 😁
thoroughly informed, brutal honesty or burn out. hard to tell
The Sky coverage was dreadful. The icing on the cake was having to listen to Nick Bradley going on with himself all weekend. He must spend hours rehearsing all those big words. 🤔
Really enjoy your output always thought provoking and insightful. Also started watching and subscribed to Dan’s UA-cam output it is really good.
It’s to bad but truthfulness will cause you grief The TV marketing BS and talking heads have become nauseating. I long for the days of less yapping So I turn sound down If I listen to some of the tv people i put my brain on moron level just my opinion but I have nothing to lose you do Trust matters good luck Muppets
Wow, unbelievable how a small change in camera angle completely changes how the position of a club looks. I do find it hard to watch golf on Sky the commentary is awful, I often watch it with the sound off and music playing. Great vlog, very informative.
It’s so bad isn’t it.
Mark Crossfield awful
Great video Mark 👍when you coming down to Australia bra 🇦🇺
So spot on Mark! I do feel I'm part of the problem as I've sent you videos from an awful camera in the hope you can tell what im doing!!!
Keep it up Mark best golf UA-cam channel by a country mile!!!
Would love to hear what you think about the TPT shafts Day and Rose have been using. They claim tighter dispersion but I say bs.
Unfortunately this type of behaviour is not only in the golf industry, it's occurring in most walks of life , I know it certainly happens in my industry, great sales guys with the right talk and buzz words and haven't the fist idea of how things actually work , they make sweeping statements to grab headlines, I think it's a sad reflection on modern sales , marketing and media. Good on you for saying it.
An early Daily Vlog, the washing up just got a whole load more interesting! #domesticated
As always mark , honest and to the point . Respect brah
But it’s the Cannon Biz Hub SwingCam ! Cha-Ching $, Kostis is the worst offender. “Get’s a little flippy through impact”.......please
Not gonna name names.... *long pause* 🙊
Thought you were for a second.
I want to know where/when this bar brawl almost happened bruh.
Keep preaching the truth Mark!
Hey Mark, would love to see a video on *how* to make the ideal swing video that might be sent to any instructor. Also any additional info that might be included with the video that would be most helpful.
Robin Lindsay good question
Great 👍 vlog mark........ never mention names! Lol 😂 great comment from get up Dan and coach......... keep it coming fella! 👍👍👍
It's clear that Nick Faldo doesn't know how to analyze a swing. I don't even understand what he is trying to say !
Mark have ever thought of applying to be a diplomat?
NO? Can't believe that 😁
As for 24fps video...doesn't the konica minolta bizhub swing vision camera film at a bazillion frames per second....i mean its in bizhub swing vision and colour???
8:25....Not just the golf industry. With any industry...with life in general. One has to sift through 99% of the crap to get to someone who truly understands a particular subject and a specific problem. Such is life. Most people have never heard this expression, "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." People want answers to certain questions and there are plenty of people that want to give answers. Problem is that most answer givers don't want to do the work to examine the problem. They simply want to be heard...even if what they say is completely wrong. It's an ego issue.
Trouble is Mark that I quite fancy a few lessons but I'm seriously confused about who I should go to. There is a very large number of teaching pros in my area but how do I know which one to pick.
Just saw this now. Well said. Well explained. Great point. Remember how everyone slagged Tiger's "head dip" on the backswing? I've watched videos of Ben Hogan and Moe Norman and guess what? They both do it as well. Seems most tour pros do. Watch a guy like Marc for swing analysis. Listen to the announcers on TV for the jokes.
Mark means Brandel I guess, who is always full of it ... ;)
At least that's what Tiger thinks himself: ua-cam.com/video/RMmoUYwVm9s/v-deo.html
Formerly successful pro golfers are typically the worst to have in the TV commenter's seat. They simply MAKE STUFF UP. Patently false commentary that even a rank beginner knows is wrong. Miller and Wadkins are among the worst, to name names (at least here in the US). Their air of authority and knowledge is actually pretty nauseating. The best TV tournament coverage I've ever watched was one done in Spanish, which I don't really understand - I could hear the sounds, get the emotional aspect of what was going on, but wasn't frustrated by having to endure the mounds of BS.
Just a great and honest perspective. There are good mainstream guys on CBS, BBC, Seven, NBC or Sky.... there are others who do love the sound of their voice. It’s filling dead air time. Love and appreciate this perspective Mark. It should be welcomed and embraced. Even if someone disagrees with you, it should be embraced. Your early videos used to say “let’s keep the conversation going” (or something like that) and anyone who challenges that is crazy. Why wouldnt we want different opinions?
Makes you wonder why the PGA events don't have a launch monitor on the tee. NASCAR / IndyCar/ F1 / American Football have helmet cams, data trackers, in car, etc. The shot tracker is OK but doesn't really tell yo anything, and CBS use of the animation beside the live action is annoyance.
Love your passion mate!! U should come play in Australia, it never rains ;)
Cheers from TPC Scottsdale WMPO! Can’t wait to sere the swing “analyses “ from Peter Kostis this weekend....ugh
Oh, 🙏 great and super exciting PGA event at Torrey Pines but the Swedish “expert” commentator (ret. Challenge Tour) spends hours drawing lines around a slo mo Tiger. Sad! #dipatiger
Have you ever thought about Politics Mark? I reckon you could argue us through Brexit one morning then fix golf in the afternoon. Good days work....
Love this content. You can apply this to all sorts of things that people analyze. Talk about what you KNOW, don't speculate on what you DON'T. Cheers bruh.
Is this golf pundit ‘who’s not a coach’ Nick Faldo by any chance? Someone please let me know 😫
It’s been said many times on here already and in other vids by various people but I love the honesty and the way you cut through all the BS. There is far too much BS in golf already. Such a credible Golf UA-camr. Thumbs up from me my man 👍🏼
Great shout out for LD day, should definitely be made into a public holiday 😁.
Oh UA-cam Pga coaches !! The problem is that when you begin to play, you just want to improve fast and play the level of golf that you see others achieve. So you believe there must be a ‘secret’ move that may be revealed by the next PGA coaches UA-cam video (They usually contain the words “most golfers”). So you soak it all up (drill after drill) thinking you may have found the answer. However I did listen to you saying “go and get a lesson”. So I’m getting there bit by bit with ‘one to one’ lessons with my coach.
Brandel Chamblee (spelled wrong) is a good example of this. It's so sad to see him rip on tiger. Actually Brandel should be thanking him for improving Golf. Instead it's always negative... Sad
TESTIFY, MARK! It's so refreshing to hear someone talk sense in this sport. Tiger apparently was "blinking at a different tempo" on Sunday, until he hit a miss and apparently he's all sorts of different *sigh
Well said Mark but i too would like to make a point about Golf Pro's and there comparison's with Tour Pro's in Golf Tuition. In my opinion, the Worlds Elite Golfers are each to there own unique and individual, it's dishonest to say that Amateurs can learn from the Pro's!! This is what I'd say at liest 95% of Online Coaches base there Teaching on. This too must change, teaching should be based on what the coach is seeing with the person he is coaching. Far too many online Pro's are quick to put up a video of a Elite, and start rambling on how this is the best example of whatever!! A good confident Pro will just teach all the things relivent to the average golfers needs.
Well said Mark. Too many blaggers out there. Once had a golf coach who would sit on the side as I hit balls at the range. And for 20 mins would just talk about anything that came to mind. Useless! Thank goodness that came across a true coach, with GC 2 HMT and who really takes a deep interest in my swing. Needless to say it's done wonders for my game!!! Keep up the great work brah!!
Mark, I’m so very impressed with the content you deliver in your vlog’s. It’s fully of gems, honesty & integrity. Absolutely spot on regarding some of the so called experts comments, last lot of coverage on sky with a certain NJ just made me switch off which is a shame as I was really looking forward to the coverage! Scary! Keep up the great work.
Golf needs this kind of frank talk.
I struggle to watch any golf on TV anymore. The commentary on both sides of the pond is just dreadful. The fact that someone is an ex tour player does not make them a great coach or commentator. Mark Roe, Wayne Riley etc. Are just painful to listen to. I have all of the UK sports channels, I love Golf but can’t watch it! Frustrating
In a society where the US Prez takes credit for no major airline crashes in 2017, you're being unrealistic but true to your sport. Keep up the good work (and your standards) Mark. None of this fake it til you make it $#!t.
So Mark, you're presenting us a problem but what's the answer? It Sky offered you a good salary, would you join them? And under what conditions? Free reign?
So happy that this has finally been raised as an issue. It's one of the reasons I watch less golf and look for highlights instead now. I'm so sick and tired of 'experts' giving out advice during the slo mo, but what grates me even more than this, is the 'back to the studio' moment where two experts attempt to show us, the viewers how to fix someone else's alleged problem. The amount of times I hear 'I saw this on the golf yesterday, so I'm going to try it' followed by a miriad of crap shots because they're trying something that they haven't been truly 'taught' is shocking! Awesome video Mark.
Interesting to hear these comments. The skill in living in the information age is to sift the good stuff from the crap. Needless to say I've been subscribed to your channel for about six months, and have now hit two sub 90 rounds. Keep up the good work Mark. Chris, NZ
G'day Mark, interesting video, Tiger wise, he did an awesome job in finishing so high, just proves if in contention again Beware the rest... I agree with all the fault picking by American TV not so much Euro.. It gets hammered and takes away the enjoyment of watching great players fighting nerves, course and other players all trying to win
Totally agree, I was a pro for around 15 years and have believed for sometime now that 90 percent of media content significantly harms people's chances of improving, they just talk to fill time and unfortunately the majority of people watching end up believing it! Great stuff, keep it up!
Good job Mark. I don't know if you have had a chance to test the M3, M4 drivers, if so I have a question. Tiger was driving the ball well in the Bahamas at the Hero using an M2. We all saw the driving performance at the Farmers Insurance Open. When Rick Shiels tested the M3 and M4 with twist face he found a problem for him. He uses bulge and roll, the gear effect, the heel and toe to create shot shape. The Twist Face is supposed to give longer distance well straightening the ball, he didn't see it straighten so much as lengthen, but he did see it interfere with his intended shot shape. (similar analysis by the average golfer)
Going a little on what Peter Kostis who was on sight, on the ground with the crew was saying mostly based on set up, it seemed the when Tiger was trying for draws and fades he wasn't getting expected results. Can this be a case of the new tech being the difference between what we saw at the Hero, and what we saw at Torrey (realizing differing conditions have an impact as well).
I realize there are other people playing twist face, and doing OK. Makes me wonder about if all of them actually have the technology in the club. But during the post round interview Tiger said he had hit the M2 well, but had swing changes which were the reason the M3 wasn't performing. Wonder if Taylormade outsmarted themselves by not positioning this and the M4 as "game improvement" not pro level equipment.
Great video. What percent of the golf fans watching these broadcasts do you feel use the commentators' swing analysis to try to improve their own golf swing? I know I've taken points they've made and tried them out on the range. Makes me want to just forget everything they are saying about swing and just watch the players for the fun of seeing amazing athletes compete against each other. Cheers.
Great video. The whole Tiger analysis has been getting on the nerves recently. How can these people make a comment on anyone’s swing, from any camera angle, if they don’t know what the player is trying to achieve? It’s nonsense. Completely agree with the comments regarding bad coaching because I’ve been there, and thought “you literally have no idea what you’re on about have you?” Whilst buzz words are thrown about, whipped inside, across the line, stuck behind, flipping. A good coach is worth their weight in gold, and there ain’t many about
Today is the 1 year anniversary of the great #LD day folks. #YesPlease
Hands down the best and most truthful video you have posted on your channel! Just fantasticly true content here....TV ruins more than we can imagine, just to make a production... Great video Mark!!
Crossy, I don’t think the coach could get info to a player that would not take loads of time, and would risk the player being disqualified. In my opinion, it would not be worth the risk to the players credibility and tarnishing of the players reputation. If we had more information as viewers, it would make the viewing of golf more entertaining to the more learned golfer and give the experts more to explain to the viewer then “getting stuck” 50 Times a telecast. Golf is ridiculous to watch on television now. Too many commercials, boring coverage, lack of technology for most shots. Rubbish. I hope to see big changes in golf commentary.
GCQuad with live clubhead data on every televised PGA Tour event tee? I'd pay for the online streaming then. The absolute nonsense these guys spew after every offline tee shot from Tiger is just sad in 2018.
I watched something the other day can’t particularly remember if it was sky or online and basically a pundit tore tiger a new one on his swing, the CAMERA ANGLE was side on I was sat baffled thinking how can you comment on a side angle. Baffled me I look at the trusted sources such as yourself and the other respected coaches out there, tremendous video as always mark. 👍👍
Given Tiger’s health issues and surgeries how can anyone analyze his swing unless it’s him, his doctor, or personal coach.
Well done Mark!
I loved this vlog, but I wish you weren’t being as diplomatic as you were. The fraud in the golf industry must end. Start naming names. I often thought about a “mygolfspy” concept but for lessons and pros. The entire industry is rife with fraud.
Mark. This is why i tune in. Dont change bruh - BTW, Faldo ( who was one of my heros) had me so mad in commentary, my wife made me leave the room because i was yelling at the TV. Do they really believe what they're saying?.....
Interesting comments Mark. Re camera angles - here's a thought...Could you install an overhead camera in your teaching bay Mark? For example check this out ua-cam.com/video/CuUDw_8lqf0/v-deo.html which shows Rory's left knee staying out over his left foot until just before impact. You wouldn't be able to see that so well or see how much from a traditional face on view and it would be obscured by the right leg in a down the line view...
Was my video at a bad angle? I shot it directly behind me. It’s the swing under my old UA-cam account Sean Groomer. I have other videos of swings but they’re not from completely lined up like the one from the range was. I think my problem is high hands. Playing baseball my entire life were taught hands first and keep your weigh on your back foot. So I was wondering what will get me out of the Rhythm of the high hands.
Love it!!! Goes back to trying to take lessons. I'm in North East Pennsylvania, and have no idea who to actually try to get lesson from. I've attempted it twice, and basically wanted to just bang my head off a wall lol. I know you're far away but being in the business do you have any ideas of teachers in eastern pa?!?
Fantastic video Mark! What’s your take on US PGA Tour coverage v UK European Tour?
I get where your going but I’d like to see you get more specific. Not necessarily who said what but what they said and about which ‘bad’ swing Tiger made...& how you would analyze the swing. Cheers brah!
I can imagine Mark's commentary on the golf channel when asked about a player's swing: "I don't know, Bob, we'd need measuring eh?!"
Mark you are spot F'ing on with what your saying. I've thought this while watching but thought "I must be wrong since these commentators were good to great pro golfers so they must know what they're talking about I suppose?".
Love the no B.S. approach.
Mark - Such a timely video after I watched quite a bit of the coverage of the Farmers this weekend. I think for the first time I actually thought to myself about some of the commentary - please stop trying to dissect Tiger’s every little twitch and sniff. It was borderline insulting at times. I know we have been starved of time of one of the greatest to ever play the game, but please let’s just calm down and give the guy chance to get his tourney legs back.
At times during those rounds his short game and putting was majestic. It was a real treat to see him hitting flop shots and delicate chips like the Tiger we all know...what an amazing talent. I do think the media and commentators have sunk into an even deeper chasm since he’s been out the last 2-3 years and now he’s unfortunately going have all their little grubby eyes fixated on him with their fix-it 101 solutions ready to roll off the tongue.
May just have to watch with the volume turned down...
Keep up,the great content and topics that others do not want to be bringing up out of fear. Push us forward bruh!!
It makes me laugh now how bad some people are are telling us what we are doing wrong and they don't know the 101 things you mentioned. I just think Wait till Mark sees this it will be funny. Tiger 14 majors must know what he is doing, he is not a 28 hcp struggling with a big slice. I could sit there talking about Tigers swing but as Coach says I would have nothing but good things to say. Big event finished in the top 25... I think a lot of pro's would take that...
The only good advice I've ever heard on the swing that actually works came from Hank. Hank doesn't really look at the swing either, he looks at ball flight and can tell what is happening. If you want to draw it, swing to the right (right handed golfer). If you want a cut, swing to the left. These paths produce both of those shots for me and its worked marvelously. My swing doesn't look like anyone's on tour but I usually hit my shapes so I am happy.
Do you feel that the "analysis" these guys are giving is linked to the generic tips given by coaches in golf mags mark? i.e "to hit a draw do .....", "to hit low do...." All these general tips thrown out there having not seen what other faults the player already has,and what faults taking the "tips" could create in another part of their swing. P.s love how coach switched off of convo three quarters through and started practicing his swing! 🤣🤣 loving your work brah!
It's not exclusive to golf brah! Football has its fair share of punditry blaggers also. TV consistently devalues its audience, offering up poor quality, ill thought through, cheap content that offers zero insight.
Well said, Mark.
All I got from Sky Sports Golf on the weekend was some dude that looked like a cannon ball and a blonde in a ball dress filling time by Tiger bashing and feeding me third-rate sports psychology mumbo jumbo.
What an incredibly passionate and drop dead honest message which stripped the veneer of your conformism off.You actually looked uncomfortable as you dealt with the issue of media hype.
Well done - keep on doing what you do.
Thank you Mark! You shouldn’t be embarrassed. I am fortunate that I found your content early enough to not let the industry b/s control my mind. Keep doing what you do best bruh.
Interesting! Got in my first 18 last week. Need the weather to improve a bit before I head back. Thanks for all the hard work Mark.
The guy in the studio during sky's coverage of the farmers was an absolute nightmare. Making the swing so complicated and coming up with all these pseudo scientific terms which meant nothing . You just know you'd benefit more by having one lesson from Parfield compared to ten from that guy .