DCS: WW2 - P51 VS. FW190 Dogfight

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  • @douggiemcfresh26
    @douggiemcfresh26 7 років тому +14

    lol makes mixture richer as he gains altitude... for more power. Makes sense

  • @ianstradian
    @ianstradian 7 років тому +5

    An engine isn't a stick of C4. It's at it's basic core an air pump, it sucks in air compresses it, super heats it to make it expand in order to get power back out of the fuel air mixture.
    Managing aircraft engines is all about getting the most power without destroying the engine, or its auxiliary systems such as cooling or lube oil.

  • @Birdy890
    @Birdy890 10 років тому +28

    Remember Drake, the P51 is NOT a turn and burn fighter, and performs worst at low altitudes due to engine and wing design, it's a highspeed energy fighter, keep high, dive in and out you should be golden against just about anything the luftwaffles have to throw at you.
    Great dogfight bro.
    E: I did notice that you don't seem to use your rudder too much, is that because you only have twist and is thus more uncomfortable to use? I'd say you should use it more when you're on the pursuit but need that little bit of extra turning. Don't overuse it as it's a nice way to bleed energy, but it can be necessary.

    • @Birdy890
      @Birdy890 10 років тому +9

      *****
      Nah, It's just a Folke-wolf, the 109s and 190s are MUCH better at diverting energy into height, they just suck once they're up there. You've got the super-charged engine put her to use!
      Also remember that your torque will help you in a turn if you find yourself in a turning fight. So use that to your advantage when fighting MEs, they don't do so well when turning right.
      If an enemy 190 ever lures you into a rolling scissors remember that it's already too late for you, those 190s are just about the most vicious rollers around.
      The 190 and P51 are definitely a good match-up for each other, looking forward to some great dog-fighting.
      If you ever need quick tips consult the IL21946 Aircraft Guide. It's not too detailed but will give you basic info to help you in a fight. Since the info they got was from Real Life manuals and such, it should work for any simulator out there.
      Keep the videos coming please, really fun to watch.
      E: I should also mention your power-plant in the P51, you've got a water-cooled engine. Which means you can sacrifice a bit of heat for speed and shouldn't have to worry about it too much (at least not as much as a Kraut or Brit would) the problem with that is, you take one hit to your radiator and your engine is kaput. I guess that's why I've always preferred to fly the 47, just a tank with wings :P

    • @kmjavenger
      @kmjavenger 10 років тому +1

      Birdy890 I like you for this comment. Like, you're awesome okay? Okay.

    • @bellator11
      @bellator11 10 років тому

      Birdy890 The 109 should quite easily outturn the P-51 in any direction, mainly thanks to the higher lift airfoil, leading edge slats, lower wing loading and higher power to weight ratio. However if you keep the speed up the 109 will have a difficult time.
      The story is abit different with the 190. Both the 190 & 51 should turn about the same, the 190 being a bit better down low whilst the 51 was a bit better up high.

    • @Birdy890
      @Birdy890 10 років тому

      bellator11
      Well, I know that the 109 is primarily a turn and burn, the 190 a boom-n-zoom, the only point I was making was the 109 and the 190 have their torque going to the left, while all the allied fighters have their torque going to the right, ergo you'll have a better chance when engaging turning right (when you have to turn.)

    • @bellator11
      @bellator11 10 років тому

      Birdy890 Absolutely :)

  • @RyanBurnsRed
    @RyanBurnsRed 10 років тому +2

    "I'm gonna blow my engine"
    I haven't facepalmed this hard at a UA-cam video in awhile.

  • @jamiegrover3181
    @jamiegrover3181 9 років тому +11

    Great flight sim and video but I never understand why people play realistic flight sims on realistic settings but then have a bright coloured HUD announcing where the enemy is, height, airspeed, type of aircraft, etc, that wouldn't have been available in WW2. Surely that defeats the entire object of a realistic WW2 combat flight sim?

    • @LuisCaneSec
      @LuisCaneSec 8 років тому +6

      +Jamie Grover Because of the limitations of a 2D monitor with limited resolution. At certain distances aircraft literally became a cube that was solid green on top and invisible from below. It's way easier to spot things from the air in real life than it is in a game/simulator.

    • @GZA036
      @GZA036 8 років тому

      +GasPuch62 that's what "smart scaling" is for. As seen in Falcon BMS

    • @LuisCaneSec
      @LuisCaneSec 8 років тому

      +GZA036 Which is great in BMS, but as far as I know, DCS doesn't have such a feature. I wish it did.

    • @GZA036
      @GZA036 8 років тому

      +GasPuch62 it does but it works differently.
      It's in settings, "model visibility"
      Below a certain visibility the model is overlaid with a 2d sprite

  • @fredsalfa
    @fredsalfa 9 років тому +1

    Nice flying. My dad flew P51D Mustangs in the Pacific against the Japanese. I guess this is what it would have been like for him.

    • @GSBroker
      @GSBroker 8 років тому +2

      +Alfa Won I didn't know there were P-51s in service in the Pacific Theater. The more you know.

    • @gungriffen
      @gungriffen 8 років тому +3

      +G. ShadowBroker In small numbers, I think it was real late in the war once we had a lot of islands because they need airfields and can't use carriers but they were used.

  • @haloceman4
    @haloceman4 10 років тому +2

    God I can't wait to get my new PC, this game looks so amazing, it's gonna take a long time to learn but once I do I'm going to enjoy it so much

  • @adreigle
    @adreigle 8 років тому +1

    Thanks! I Just built my new game comp and ordered my TrackIR 5. I fly IRL but just need a Good, twist-locked Joystick. People dont seem to see my goal when i search online. I do iRacing

    • @Ryansanders80
      @Ryansanders80 8 років тому

      The thrust master warthog, if your still looking

  • @omar1800
    @omar1800 9 років тому +1

    Did he just pan out and fiddle with analog switches in the cockpit? Too real

  • @itsukarine
    @itsukarine 7 років тому +1

    this video convinced me to buy DCS in 2015, going back to this video it seems like its not even the same game anymore

  • @AdozenBABYdogs
    @AdozenBABYdogs 10 років тому

    "... sitting on a giant stick of C4."
    Love it

  • @bluehornet6752
    @bluehornet6752 6 років тому

    Enrichening the mixture as you climb actually gets you LESS power in many cases. You normally need to lean it as the altitude increases and the air density decreases, but you need to watch your exhaust gas and cylinder head temperatures to be sure. Pilot 101 stuff.

  • @darthhaul58
    @darthhaul58 8 років тому

    Just had an awesome run in DCS, and thanks for the update on DCS : WW2.
    Is it bad that I can, and have killed the pilot of the 190 in a one minute seven seconds? Got that on my replay so I can watch it again, and again and again...

  • @ctguy1955
    @ctguy1955 10 років тому

    I just bought P-51 5 days ago and just got a new X52 hotas and Im having
    trouble setting up my new joystick. I can fly ok in sim mode, but taking off
    and landing are sooooooooo different then in game mode.
    WHat a shock when I switched !!!! Great Video !!!

  • @TheOfficialRedsean
    @TheOfficialRedsean 10 років тому

    Dammit Bluedrake. Saving money for music shit and here you are making me want to spend even more on DCS.

  • @agamemnonn1
    @agamemnonn1 10 років тому +1

    I'm a helicopter mechanic, and you description of the engine is hands down the funniest and best description I've heard.

  • @gerobinson812
    @gerobinson812 10 років тому +1

    Nice flight....and a happy ending!

  • @harveymushmann1927
    @harveymushmann1927 10 років тому

    In IL2 Birds of prey (simulation mode of course), it's easier to just leave the engine at around 80% throttle and manage altitude for speed. The engine will last forever, or at least a really long time.

  • @STOLerant
    @STOLerant 8 років тому +2

    Maybe someone has said it already, maybe not, but lean with altitude. Less air = less fuel needed. Adding extra fuel will decrease performance (IRL).

  • @TheKitMurkit
    @TheKitMurkit 7 років тому +1

    Wow, that game reminds me of Jane's WW2 fighters, have to try!

  • @brettroberson1893
    @brettroberson1893 10 років тому

    I love warthunder, will try this also when I get my PC built

  • @gerobinson812
    @gerobinson812 10 років тому

    I gotta agree with Birdy890, off hand I can't think of any American WWII planes that were knife fighters (turn based fighters)...many of them were crappy energy fighters like the Hellcat...maybe the P40 was a turn based fighter but its hard to tell because it did so many things badly. I may be totally wrong but I can't think of a single American turn based fighter.

  • @hawkeye2816
    @hawkeye2816 9 років тому

    You should really think about lowering your RPM. Running the engine at high RPM works well for high boost pressure, but ultimately can burn it out. Red line is at 3000, so try 2600, which, if I recall, is the "climb" setting for RPM, which should give you a good balance of horsepower and prop pitch. That should help with heat, fuel, power, etc.

    • @razortm9947
      @razortm9947 8 років тому

      +hawkeye2816 That should help with heat, sure, but not power. If you're doing only 86.6% of max RPM, you're also only getting 86.6% of maximum power.

    • @hawkeye2816
      @hawkeye2816 8 років тому

      You will likely get less power than at a higher rpm, but your math doesn't make sense. It would only apply if the power curve of the merlin engine was perfectly linear, and even without seeing the curve I can tell you it wouldn't be. My advice for lowering the RPM stands, especially since burning out the engine can take away all of the power, not just 5-10% of it. If 2600 seems low, run it at 2700-2800, just don't run it at redline full time. It's really bad for the engine.

    • @hawkeye2816
      @hawkeye2816 8 років тому

      +RazorTM It bears mentioning that, while 3000rpm is recommended for active combat situations, it's also strongly recommended to not run that hight for more than a couple minutes at a time. I haven't watched this video in a long time (doing this from phone), but my memory says there isn't a single point at which his rpm is below redline, even when he's not actively engaged in combat. This is why his engine is running so hot.

    • @razortm9947
      @razortm9947 8 років тому

      Yeah, I agree, I was just saying that when you need 100% power, the only way to get it is at maximum RPM. Lowering the RPM doesn't "help with power," but it helps with all the other things important to keeping your engine running in a dogfight. And my math was just an estimate. Only looking at the top 400rpm of the whole range, you can assume that the torque curve is linear, and the math works out close enough.

  • @pauloratm
    @pauloratm 8 років тому

    The FW opponet is very good....if he had a P-51 I dont know...you would lose I guess. Great video to watch. Cheers.

  • @SDsc0rch
    @SDsc0rch 10 років тому

    wow - what awesome sim! how exciting! *def* gonna buy that when it comes out!!

  • @jefferybensmen3960
    @jefferybensmen3960 10 років тому

    i'm a simulator guy. just like you Drake i like games that are fully intractable

  • @toastyroastyman8911
    @toastyroastyman8911 9 років тому +1

    Looks like a great game. Why the fw-190 didn't use it superior roll and turn rate at low altitudes I haven't a clue...

  • @EXgamer10
    @EXgamer10 8 років тому +1

    Didnt even fully untilize the K14 :3 would have been over quicker haha

  • @MitchDonovan
    @MitchDonovan 7 років тому +1

    I don't understand. According to war thunder a P51 cannot shoot anything down. Also your wings failed to ignite and the glass surface controls failed to shatter.

  • @orktube
    @orktube 3 роки тому

    Super video! I applauded for $2.00 👏

  • @VideoGamerGuy
    @VideoGamerGuy 10 років тому +1

    Nice flying there blue! 1V1? ;)
    I'm pretty sure they said the B-17 wasn't flyable?

    • @VideoGamerGuy
      @VideoGamerGuy 10 років тому

      Eeeeeek. Let this be the start of multi-engine support!

    • @MrJc1337
      @MrJc1337 10 років тому

      I wish we'll be able to jump inside a friendly B-17 and be the gunner :D
      They did this in Aces high 2 and it's just amazing. Sadly, it's a subscription driven game :(

    • @DFX2KX
      @DFX2KX 10 років тому

      *****
      indeed. I think others can man the gunner positions in the huey, for instance.

    • @mangeface
      @mangeface 10 років тому

      ***** We've heard that before (ringing the UH-1H bell). I mean, I think it would be possible. I don't know why it wouldn't be, but I'm still curious as to why it hasn't been implemented with the Huey. Plus with some future aircraft coming out (F-15E), it's almost necessary.

  • @wirikuta14
    @wirikuta14 10 років тому +1

    Liked. Where can I get this sim?

    • @RelaxSimmer
      @RelaxSimmer 9 років тому

      ***** Fk steam
      Get it from the DCS site just type DCS on the google

  • @VRichardsn
    @VRichardsn 10 років тому

    Sucks not to have Kommandogerät, eh? Nice video.

  • @J.Grello
    @J.Grello 10 років тому

    You.... you can't explode your engine without being shot at...

    • @J.Grello
      @J.Grello 10 років тому

      Also, you should turn off the enemy marker if you want realism...

  • @luizengrazia5169
    @luizengrazia5169 8 років тому

    whats your joystick?

  • @goobyplz9040
    @goobyplz9040 10 років тому

    I need to go out and buy myself a joystick

  • @dhbroussard89
    @dhbroussard89 8 років тому

    whats up with the Nazi SS bolt for the number 4 in the bottom right side of the screen?

  • @sandspar
    @sandspar 10 років тому +1

    Keep it up!

  • @sarabwt
    @sarabwt 10 років тому

    when you say that this game is more realistic than wt, you have to keep in mind that war thunder is for people without joystick. if i had one i would play dcs, IL-2 series alone, but i would play war thunder with my friends and thats what war thunder is for. and when they will add tank and naval combat in the game, it will be an awesome game to play with a very unique gameplay, that no other game has + they will have to fix a lot of FMs in war thunder because they are pretty much all wrong (p-38, f8f, i-185,ki-84, etc.)

    • @twoknife
      @twoknife 10 років тому +1

      Actually War Thunder is designed for people with a joystick. That is the whole point of Full Real Battles. The biggest problem is the awful joystick implementation though.

    • @sarabwt
      @sarabwt 10 років тому

      intel64gamer
      how many people play FRB? 10-15% top. and whats the problem with joystick implementation?

  • @Faroff10
    @Faroff10 10 років тому

    What are your PC specs?

  • @kylecoulombe2755
    @kylecoulombe2755 6 років тому

    Why did you have your rear view mirror folded up the whole time?

  • @justinspirational
    @justinspirational 9 років тому +2

    You should try Il-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover which is probably even more so the most realistic ww2 combat flight sim

    • @justinspirational
      @justinspirational 9 років тому

      Lucas Lucas you should install the highly acclaimed team fusion mod. It's completely revolutionized the sim

    • @nicolasdorasioleao6286
      @nicolasdorasioleao6286 9 років тому

      +Lucas Lucas This is not "even close" to DCS?? Both of them are combat flight sims with extreme amount of details and controls available.

    • @facenoise465
      @facenoise465 8 років тому +1

      Yeah the IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 and the rest of the series are pretty realistic simulators.

  • @originalidea7126
    @originalidea7126 10 років тому

    Does anyone know if it is possible to rip your wings off if you pull up too hard as a really fast speed in this game?

    • @eletricmano
      @eletricmano 10 років тому

      I'm still downloading the game for myself, but I'm pretty sure it's possible.

    • @facenoise465
      @facenoise465 8 років тому

      Or even if u dont break of ur wings, u will enter a high speed stall.

  • @PeyoteVisions
    @PeyoteVisions 10 років тому +11

    Label bot fight that was... Come back when you can do this without the label...

    • @1BassJohn
      @1BassJohn 10 років тому

      Yeah.. labels are never a good thing.

    • @michaelray415
      @michaelray415 10 років тому +19

      Come back where? To his own youtube channel...?

    • @PeyoteVisions
      @PeyoteVisions 10 років тому

      ...

    • @PeyoteVisions
      @PeyoteVisions 10 років тому +1

      John Biggs
      No John, to yours... obviously...

    • @HiHello-pl4tj
      @HiHello-pl4tj 10 років тому +1

      To be fair if you don't use a label, enemies are impossible to identify. Black pixels is all they are. They look the same as my squad mates until you get within 1000m

  • @droneforfun5384
    @droneforfun5384 8 років тому +1

    The FW seemed superior to the p51 in this video.. it out run and out climbed the p51..

  • @lyrasimo
    @lyrasimo 8 років тому +3

    Labels on ? Dude , too much war thunder.

  • @stevezee5171
    @stevezee5171 10 років тому

    Try Diveplane's sound mod for the P-51, It's brilliant!

  • @venturex38
    @venturex38 10 років тому

    I know this is the wrong video to post this but please make some FC3 or A10C missoin videos with commentary

  • @hello235698741
    @hello235698741 8 років тому +1

    War thunder should learn from this in simulator battles

    • @abacs21
      @abacs21 8 років тому +2

      Implying Gaijin gives a shit about simulator battles

  • @wrathofatlantis2316
    @wrathofatlantis2316 5 років тому

    Unlike the 190A, the 190D was not a turn fighter... The FW-190A was a low-medium altitude turn fighter, the P-51 and the
    Spitfire were medium-high altitude vertical fighters, as was the Me-109G, although the 109 wasn't quite as good as those two doing that, so it had to cut power and use the horizontal, unlike on the Eastern Front. For more on the true (and surprising ) character of these fighters: ua-cam.com/video/lCBOxbaxXBE/v-deo.html

  • @17MrLeon
    @17MrLeon 9 років тому

    Il2 or DCS whats more realistic and hardcore

    • @Thebudgeismetal
      @Thebudgeismetal 9 років тому

      Jirka Dusek I dont have masses of experience with DCS.. But From the bit of it I've played Id say there about the same, except that DCS have clickable controls and more Modern Planes. The Downside with DCS is that you have to pay the price of a new game for each module. Whereas when you get an IL2 game you've got a fair range of flyable planes of the bat.

  • @vracan
    @vracan 9 років тому

    are you using headtracking?

  • @Big1_
    @Big1_ 10 років тому +3

    5:30 hahaha you cant handdle a fw190 German technology rules!

    • @JamisonMK3
      @JamisonMK3 9 років тому +10

      well...it's wing fell off...so I'd say he handled it.

  • @mitchkramer3257
    @mitchkramer3257 10 років тому +1

    turnfighting in a p-51 against an enemy that has a huge red label above their plane.
    yep, sounds like a pretty realistic simulator...

  • @DavidPT40
    @DavidPT40 5 років тому

    Terrible flying. Didn't use the vertical at all. Just horizontal turning, in the wrong direction no less.

  • @alandunaway3000
    @alandunaway3000 4 роки тому

    And the most expensive.

  • @FatalZonez
    @FatalZonez 10 років тому

    im pretty sure the P-51 outperformed the regular 109 and the 190

    • @Model110SASS
      @Model110SASS 10 років тому

      Their are dozens of versions of the Fock-Wulf 190 and the Me 109, some of them much, much more powerful than the P-51.

    • @FatalZonez
      @FatalZonez 10 років тому

      i said the normal

    • @FatalZonez
      @FatalZonez 10 років тому

      not the other versions

    • @DrugsNmetal666
      @DrugsNmetal666 10 років тому

      Well Ta-152 was pretty much the only plane to outperform mustang in speed, It also out-turned mustang.
      And pretty much all the german planes were energy figthers specially Fw and Bf's

    • @DrHavoc1
      @DrHavoc1 10 років тому

      'murica!
      Actually, below 5000 meters the P-51D had very little chance against a properly flown 190A-5.

  • @IIKraftI
    @IIKraftI 10 років тому +1

    AI?

  • @wolf79036
    @wolf79036 10 років тому

    Can u play more projected reality

  • @kubanskiloewe
    @kubanskiloewe 10 років тому

    omg,cant believe that Packard engien was so inferior....perhaps they should fix that. Or did th eD9 uses MW50 at that time ?
    how long could the Dore use this ...i heard about 3min ? is that simulated i the right way ? i mean using MW50 over long time should damage engine !

  • @wicher123
    @wicher123 8 років тому

    In your opinion this sim is better than War Thunder ?

    • @wicher123
      @wicher123 8 років тому +1

      ???

    • @wicher123
      @wicher123 8 років тому

      Yes but In my opinion In WT in simulations mode is not simple game. Yes.. DCS is better but its not good optimize graphics :(

    • @itsukarine
      @itsukarine 7 років тому

      Warthunders Simulator is literally one of the most simple "sim"s out there. It's also unrealistic as hell and ruins a lot of what makes dogfighting actually competitive.

  • @TheVikingSailor
    @TheVikingSailor 8 років тому

    Was that an AI controlled FW190? lol

  • @awesomesauce3938
    @awesomesauce3938 8 років тому

    a2a p-51 with accusim not even close to dcs

  • @TG-li4bd
    @TG-li4bd 9 років тому

    HUD BFM

  • @chriswebb7850
    @chriswebb7850 10 років тому

    is there xbox version

    • @RealismFTW
      @RealismFTW 10 років тому +3

      No.
      Too complex for the xbox.

    • @rossmum
      @rossmum 10 років тому +2

      No, DCS is a full flight sim. PC only.

  • @lightving6045
    @lightving6045 9 років тому

    Idk dude war thunder is pretty great

    • @zakinoorabdisamatar9560
      @zakinoorabdisamatar9560 9 років тому

      ***** its good the problem is. Warthunder is a game. DCS is a sim geared towards real life pilot and plane geeks

    • @lightving6045
      @lightving6045 9 років тому

      True! I love me some war thunder lolXD

  • @kyleschaefer5732
    @kyleschaefer5732 10 років тому

    Dude hsve u ever played war thunder or are u just an arcade battle noob. In sim battle u have to worry about everything: speed,g force, engine heat, enemy position,etc. Dcs is a great game just dont knock a game if u havent completely played it.

    • @JamisonMK3
      @JamisonMK3 9 років тому +1

      I play War Thunder sim constantly. I just downloaded both IL-2 Cliffs of Dover, and DCS and I can tell you that after playing those games, I've finally realized how much of a Sim War Thunder ISN'T. Not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. I think it's a great stepping stone into the more hard core sims. In War Thunder you hit I to turn your engine on. In the others, it's a fairly lengthy process. Then once you're in the air there's a ton of engine management involved to keep it running. I still haven't figured it out.

    • @nicolasdorasioleao6286
      @nicolasdorasioleao6286 9 років тому +2

      +Jaebodiah Agreed. Actually, War Thunder does has some nice engine managements settings. Thing is: you don't need those for basically nothing! Pretty soft soft sim War Thunder's SB mode is. My favorite sim, and one of the most realistics, is RoF.