WARNING: The High Cost Of Riding Motorcycles On Your Hearing
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Tinnitus is no joke. It's not enough to wear earplugs. You MUST wear them correctly and they must have a high enough rating to bring the noise level down to a safe range.
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◇ NRR calculation estimate (pg 32): www.cdc.gov/niosh/surveyreports/pdfs/312-11a.pdf
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I can confirm that the no-noise are great.
I've always worn the loops at concerts and under my helmet on my bike, they may not have safety data published but my ears are thankful for them. I was on the rail at the blink 182 show last night and despite the bass shaking my body my ears were perfectly fine and had no ringing on the drive home. The only thing I don't like about them is they occasionally get snagged when I'm pulling on my helmet and I have to put them back in because of their shape.
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0:18 "... and it's a topic I don't really *hear* a lot of people talking about"
I see what you did there 😂
6:44 please don’t lick your earplugs. Horrible ear infections await you if doing that. Just read the directions on the box. Yes, you need to apply traction to the outer ear to help open the canal and the “rolled foam” plug should slide in easily. Then expand. But glad you made this video to help the masses. Seen so many people wearing them incorrectly.
I always wear hearing protection. It is the most common motorcycle injury.
@@dbrockha 99% of riders out there, and on UA-cam don’t have common sense. It’s prevalent from all the videos I see 😂😂
Now I never leave home without foamies, I live exactly an hour from work and it’s 100% highway. I never ride with a windshield (windshields are for cars) and for years and years I rode without hearing protection and did permanent damage to my hearing. Took me an embarrassing amount of time before I figured out what was causing my hearing loss 🤦♂️
It’s too little too late but oh well I still put em in.
@@neilyaskowich8266
I recommend the Motosafe Alpine "Race" - amazing how many riders you can meet at the petrolstations who do not wear any hearing protection 😵💫
I´m using Alpine MotoSafe Pro. They dont block everything but especially those deep fluttering wind noises. But you still hear other people, sirens and horns. I like them a lot
@@Fonsie85 i just purchase a pair of Alpine Motosafe Race and they really do a good job of blocking the wind noise while allowing me to hear my music at a lower volume. I highly recommend them.
I've got the same ones they fit fine but once I put my helmet on the pressure makes the pain in ear unbearable
Been using the red ones for 3 years now. Slightly more noise damping than the standard black ones
I still hear all the sharp sounds, yet wind, engine drone is quite low in volume
I was using the same ones! They don’t block much, they don’t fit properly (which has never happened before for me), and the bag is so cheap it just ripped and flew away when I was riding and I never saw them ever again. Farwell.
I’m gonna try regular ones instead of that overpriced thing and see how it goes.
Man, I've tried so many ear plugs, it's ridiculous. By far the best one's I've use are the Alpin MotoSafe plugs! WELL WORTH THE COST.
I went to a local hearing aid store and they made me custom filtered earplugs that fit deep in my ears for $105. They are wonderful for motorcycle rides.
@@Hookmeister how would one find such a store?
@@Toxic_Dragon-pe9yz I’d suggest a Google search. There are several hearing aid stores in the town I live in. The one I went to was called Elite Hearing Center.
A quick tip for putting the foam plugs in. Don’t squish them - roll them between two fingers to expel air out of the foam, then insert now much thinner plug into an ear channel. It’ll expand within 5-10 seconds giving a proper seal. You will never achieve the same result by trying to force a not fully “deflated” plug into the ear while pulling it with other hand.
Also, make sure to discard the plugs after a few rides. The foam is covered with a smooth layer of polymer that not only eases insertion, but also makes the foam harder (by not letting the air to escape the pores quickly). If you wear the same set of ear plugs - that layer wears away and you end up with much softer and thus louder foam
I use the Alpine MotoSafe Speed and love everything about them. As someone who has suffered from tinnitus without hearing loss since my pre-teen years I have to say that personally I have not found a better all around earplug. I love that they add a tool to the set to make sure that even if you do not properly pull your ear back, you still get a great seal. When using firearms I use my Decibullz custom molded and often time double up and use a full around the ear muffs, something that you really can't do in moto so no less than a full face helmet for me.
Another vote for Alpine Motosafe, I have been using them for a few years now, very comfort and effective and the tool is useful as it allows them to use a shorter stem ( more comfort). I also use their dedicated swimming ear plugs ( to eliminate water not noise), also effective.
I used Alpine for a while, but in the end I'm back to foam ear plugs, they are more efficient at filtering noise.
Also with silicon ear plugs, I get a strong low frequency rumble for some reason
Yes! Prior to going for the custom molded ear plugs, Alpines were goated.
Also use the Alpine, but I use the MotoGP and Le Mans version.
The Le Mans version is very quiet, which is nice for long stretches of questionable highway speeds.
I tried the Alpine MotoSafe Pro and they eventually just didn’t work for my ear shape and didn’t cut enough audio on my ADV bike with an LS2 Blaze helmet.
I changed for the EarPeace Motorcycle (26dB) set and those have solved the level and the comfort issue. I have less of a round ear canal.
My wife uses the Alpine set fine.
I've been riding for 46 years, about 350k miles. My Dad rode and always told me to wear ear plugs. I have no hearing loss beyond what is normal for my age. (Also, wear sun screen.)
i'm just past 50 and have been going to metal and punk shows since i was a kid and Tinnitus is real. None of my bikes are loud and i wear a full face on long rides but a skully on short rides around town. i find that constant wind noise will cause temporary tinnitus. Glad to see you bring this up and i'd like to see more riders pay attention to this.
Like you I went to plenty of punk shows and clubs back in my youth and didn't wear hearing protection. My tinnitus is permanent and has been for years now.
🤘🏽me too!
I like the Alpine hearing protection. Cheap, easy to use and work great
People think you can’t hear your com system with earplugs. You can 🎶🔊
The foam can channel the sound, but the use of earplugs will slowly damage things OTHER than the inner ear.
@@AliasTekTVnonsense
@@AliasTekTV like what ?
Plugphones! The best of both worlds! Clear comms over 100mph!
@@AliasTekTV lies
Thanks for addressing this issue Lali. I’m 70 and my tinnitus is getting worse. My doctor appointment is on Monday. I’ve been very careful to protect my hearing throughout my life. I started riding in 1974. I feel a connection with you because my grandparents are from Transylvania, Romania.🏍️🙏
One of the things that often isn’t mentioned is that hearing loss can be insidious. You don’t necessarily develop tinnitus. You just start to slowly lose your ability to hear a certain range of sounds.
Has someone who has lost most of his sense of smell due to an industrial accident, I can tell you that you never really appreciate your senses until they’re gone. (Nearly lost my vision in that same accident and was blind for several weeks while I was in the hospital and they had to perform multiple surgeries on my eyes)
When you consider that you can get two sets of three foam earplugs off of Amazon for 25 bucks it seems almost disrespectful to yourself to not use them.
I like the Pinlock ones. They are a lot like the NoNoise ones, but you get 2 sizes for the same price. Which might not mean too much to you at first. But a lot of people don't know that most peoples ear holes aren't the same size. It filters out the wind and road noise, without making you feel cut off. Also they don't have the hard plastic bit, so they are more comfortable. Downside to that is: if you lose the little red insert they are significantly louder.
Seconding the Pinlock recommendation. EarPeace and Senner also make a very similar design, which I've had good results with too. I have to say, though, Loop 'Quiet' are my daily go-to earplugs, as the loops are easier to handle than the little tabs on the Pinlock / EarPeace / Senner ones. I once had to take out a Pinlock ear plug with a pair of tweezers because it went in too far for my fingers to grab the tab!
@@ZeroKitsunei i do like the design of the pinlocks, my favorite of motorcycle aimed plugs. But theyre still filtered. Which i firmly believe to be a bad idea.
I have to listen to podcasts while I go to sleep because the tinnitus is so loud in a silent room. It never stops and it never go's away. Looking after your ears is a good shout.
I used NoNoise for a year before realizing I was wearing them wrong. I used to angle them as the ear canals were angled, and the stems were always pressed against the inner part of my ear, and it used to hurt after an hour of riding. Some months back, I decided to test them further before moving to another brand and tried different ways of wearing them. Then I realised that I don't have to shove it hard into the ear canals, and I can insert them perpendicularly rather than at an angle. This cut off enough wind noise without completely drowning road noise and stopped the pain.
I'm using 3M 1100 Ear Plugs, SNR 37dB for years and riding is even more enjoyable. I can hear my coms even with them.
@@jordan9339 I need some of these. I've been using the orange Howard Leight (32nrr iirc) for ages and hadn't seen anything higher than 33 before.
I have mild tinnitus from growing up around farm equipment but have been a lot more protective of my hearing since early adulthood.
same here. I knew about them through work and know they are good. And good on the motobike they are!
MAX LITE, by Howard Leight (a Honeywell company).
NRR is 30. I've used these for nearly 20 years and I've found nothing better for motorcycle application.
They are a sealed, soft foam (roll, insert, hold for expansion), T-shaped to limit insertion, and inexpensive. These are green in color; the orange is for industrial use. The green allows enough sound to be safe for riding while eliminating all the bad.
I keep them in a small, flat, pill case and use them every ride. They are so comfortable I never think about them. The ride is so much more enjoyable and safer when you can focus on vehicular dynamics and traffic. Oh yeah, they'll save your hearing too, but that is actually secondary for me. I wear a helmet so I can have better vision at speed, not necessarily for crash protection. Similar logic.
Same here. Used to use MAX LITE but switched to orange MAX (NRR 33) just due to availability. Both are good. Super comfy all day and pretty easy to insert properly. Very effective at blocking wind noise. This is important as I find wind noise masks other sounds I want to hear and is gnaws away at attention and comfort. Plastic sheath over the soft foam underneath means I can use a few times before getting too crusty and maybe helps getting a good seal.
I'm an earplug wearer every time, because I've done plenty of damage in other situations. I very much appreciate the quality information. Don't talk about fight club, we'll all be fine
Excellent topic Lali. I have tinnitus. Caused from military service.
Therefore, I use hearing protection when riding and highly recommend it. Having an after market exhaust, and doing track days, hearing protection is a must in those situations.
There is a misconception between tinnitus and hearing loss. Correct, hearing loss does not always cause tinnitus, however, when you have tinnitus, and the more hearing loss the more you notice the ringing. Notice when its quiet, you will 1:28 have ringing? But when outside, the sounds of nature will mask the tinnitus. The more hearing loss the more you notice the ringing because its like turning down the volume. Although these are theories, they do make sence. 🤔
Glad you pointed out the different types of hearing protection. 😊
Finally, very happy you had the time to get to this video. I use my ear plugs in every ride no matter how short. And had a friend who would mock me for earplugs.
I learned early on from factory work, the required hearing protection was a good thing. Don't ignore that. Also putting them in properly was a huge benefit and continue to use today when riding.
I do use a standard pair, and they do block a lot of noise, but I tend to ride where everything is out to get me. So, I'm always cautious.
As a veteran with hearing damage, AND an audio engineer, AND a motorcycle rider... I've been really concerned about earplugs aimed for motorcyclists. road and windnoise and loud music in our helmet cans come in a large range of frequencies.. Most of these filtered earplugs only attenuate non speech frequencies and.. that means guess what you loose more of every time you wear them? your non speech frequency hearing gets protected more than your speech hearing and.... suddenly you can't hear people in normal conversations anymore.. I"m 100% sure that the entire rider community has a big class action in their future.
That's a really interesting point! Do you think custom earplugs filter out evenly across all frequencies?
@@AntiParallali it would depend on the design.
I’ve had Tinnitus since I was 23 when I started my custom Sportster in a small garage & now I’m 57 years old. Its very mild, Im use to it now
100% agree! It is super important use hearing protection, ideally before you start hearing that high pitched whine, because it may not go away. I started wearing earplugs when riding pretty early on after I got my first bike, due to road/wind noise and I still wear them every time I ride. Like you, according to my audiologist I don't have hearing loss either, however I have had tinnitus in both ears, ever since I went on a duck hunting trip with inadequate hearing protection, and a shotgun with a ported barrel(which is significantly louder than a non-ported barrel). I have had constant ringing in both ears 24/7 for about 8 years now, which started the day of that hunting trip and has never gone away or lessened. I was told that mine is permanent and in my case it is so persistent/loud and makes it so much harder to understand people speaking when there is background noise, that at one point I asked my audiologist if it would be possible for him to render me deaf, then set me up with cochlear implants to restore my hearing without the tinnitus. If I could find an audiologist who would do it, I would literally rather have worse hearing with no tinnitus. Yes, I do miss some audible cues when riding with NRR 33 foam ear plugs, and talking to the police if I get pulled over requires that I take off my helmet and remove my plugs. As a result, I have to rely more on my vision and look around more than I might otherwise, but not making my hearing or tinnitus any worse is well worth it in my opinion.
Also noise, not only damages your hearing but what many people dont realise its extremely fatiguing. The difference in fatigue level when i started to travel in car in noise cancelling headphones (xm4) and alpine moto plugs when riding is insane. its like 60% of fatigue comes from noise ;
Great video! My search for the earplug that fits me is over. I have a pair of custom plugs and it is great! It is a acrylic plug with a filter. They are comfortable and block the noice real good. I payed just under 100 euro. The audicien made a cast form from my ear canal with a two component goo, a bit of a strange feeling, a week later they arrived. Best of all, I got to choose a color!
Good info, as someone with Tinnitus and have been a bike rider from a young age, it's important. Other sources of damage came from discos, bands. Industrial/construction sources a big factor (often not wearing muff) & unmuffled exhausts. I now do try to remember my ear plugs while riding. But I have learnt to ignore it with reasonable success.
I've been investigating active ear pro recently since my exhaust is oddly louder with my helmet on (acoustics are fun!) .. I want to hear sub 80db stuff.. but want to attenuate anything over that. Also having dual purpose ear pro that I can use for range use helps justify cost since good active ear pro is NOT cheap.
Thanks for addressing this.. most of my bike friends do wear ear pro but I've never heard it come up in conversation.
Edit: ended up going passive type since.. Well.. Cost. Chose the Alpine motosafe-race and they're fantastic. What's wild about them is that I can still hear voices perfectly fine but wind noise is basically gone at highway speeds and they've proven to be super comfy. Game changer for my riding comfort. Highly recommend them.
Alpine MotoSafe Pro user here, MotoSafe tour ( Black -23dB ) while commuting and MotoSafe Race ( Red -26dB ) on highways, I still ear everything around pretty well while being protected from engine and wind noises, I don't feel them at all and they are affordable ( around 25€ on Amazon )
A rock concert gave me permanent T a couple of years ago. It sucks so bad.
I am 42 years old, and I've had Tinnitus for the past four years now. No known reason. Just constant ringing in my ears. I started riding a motorcycle less than a month ago, and I am going to start using ear plugs, not to increase the damage. Thank you for talking about this.
I started driving a motorcycle at 16 (am 65 now) always wore a helmet but never even thought about earplugs other than that they would keep the bugs out of my ears when one came in the helmet.
At 35 my hearing was tested one the job site and there was a small very specific range I couldn't hear anymore, I was convinced it had to do with the large machines I was operating and the noice of the big engines. But the man who tested me declared that that wasn't the case it was a sound range that was produced by the passing wind on the motor. From that time on I bought and always used ear protection! Stay save, please...
Hi Lali, I'm a retired machinist and a avid motorcyclist. Give the 3M 1100's a try - this is what I've worn for 42 year in a machine shop and still do when I go riding. I've tried the Blue Hearos that you showed. They are nice but my ear canal is too small for them so even after I get them in, they will work their way out of the ear canal. One of the most annoying things to happen after you start your ride is to have to pull over and re-seat your ear plugs. I've tried a lot of different ear plugs to get the right fit and I keep coming back to the 3M 1100's (these are cheep too you can get them for 25-27 dollars for 200 pair - Amazon). Also Vale is doing it right - I've taught Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) classes which include ear protection. What I find that works best for me is to clean out my ears before inserting the ear plugs. Like Vale I also wet my ear plugs before inserting them. I just don't stick them in and go, I put them in and hold my finger over the end of the ear plug until it expands... 15-30 seconds. Also the 3M 1100's are so inexpensive I just use them once and throw them away. Some people even wash them and use them again... in my experience washed one's just don't work like a fresh pair. Lastly stay away from Outrageously Loud Rock & Roll concerts - They'll make you go deaf way before riding a motorcycle will.
The most informative and understandable video to date on this subject, well done Dr Lali. Being a gentlemen of 60 years young it can sometimes drive me nuts trying to sleep with some bugger running their finger around a wet glass top next to my ear at night! And your comment about the more you focus on it the louder it gets, bang on. You've convinced me to go and get some custom ear plugs made. Too late to cure any damage already done but still better to prevent any more.
This a very imprtant topic which you have covered well. I am 76 and live in the UK. I've had tinnitus all of my life. I use 'made to measure' earplugs and I CANNOT ride without them. My tinnitus is genetic although the roaring noise from the wind passing over my safety helmet is nothing short of painful. I am losing my hearing little by little but the tinnitus remains the same which means it actually sounds more and more loud to me as the background sound is getting lost. I have never found a safety helmet that fits properly and I am sure that is problem that affects lots of riders. Ear to ear I need a "small" and front to back I need an "M" so it's aways a compromise.
@@brocketthave you tried different shaped helmets? I think icon makes helmets that are bigger front to back and narrower from the sides/ ears. Might be a good fit.
this video gave me tinnitus. I only started hearing the ringing after you played a sample
I'm 60, been riding since 16 without ear protection, my audiologist says it's ruined my hearing. It's cost me £4k+ to sort out so think on....
I spent $150 once at a top clinic for custom plugs one of which I managed to misplace while on a ride 🤷♂️.
Just another aftermarket pain in the ass.
I went back to 3M 1100’s - good noise reduction - chart is on the box. 200 pairs around $30. I think they are what MotoGP riders use
A MUST WEAR !!
Been using ear protection since mid '70s..
We are all going blind ,becoming weaker as we age..finding it more difficult to swing a leg over these tall modern adventure bikes..so wear ear plugs..you do NOT want to become deaf.
LOVE your videos..
Stay safe..enjoy the ride
I wear the No Noise almost every time I ride. I just got a used bike with a straight pipe and the exhaust is too damn loud. That plus the wind noise, even with my Shoei NXR2, it's too much. I have another one I bought at the MotoGP venue called Motosafe by Alpine. Those block out a lot of sound and is great when you are track side. But I cannot hear anything else. With regular earplugs I also feel like it is blocking too much sound and makes me nervous while on the road where there is traffic and other motorists. With the No Noise I can still actually hear people speak, while it tones down the wind noise significantly. Does a decent job with the exhaust too. If you have a cardo or something similar, put up the volume a little and the sound is fairly clear and doesn't sound muffled. However, I am going back to stock exhaust. The bike still sounds good when I am sat on the bike and riding. And that is what matters to me. I don't want the kind of attention or ear damage that an excessively loud exhaust brings.
Nice research Lali, hearing is a big issue for MC to be sure, very under spoken (no pun intended) about. I won't put the link here (if I do UA-cam will likely not show my comment and declare it as spam) but you can find them easy enough. They are made by a hearing aid companythat starts with the first letters ph and an o in the middle, the last two letters nak. I will call them P for short in this post. Look for Serenity in the name also the word motorsport. (Let's see if UA-cam lets me make this post this time). The P filters out the frq of the exhaust and wind, but you can still hear the radio (if you have s system in your helmet) you can also hear street noises so that your awareness is not totally diminished. The foam ones cut too much noise out in my view not really as safe as they cut too much of the street noise out). If nothing else with looking into. Soory to be so cryptic, it's UA-cam. Cheers.
On one ride my right earplug got really loose and I was to lazy to stop and put it back in properly. After a couple of hours of riding like that (was riding above 100 km/h) I got tinnitus which didn't go away for almost 2 months. And the worst part was, the pitch wasn't constant, it kept changing every 10-15 seconds. I got barely any sleep during those 2 months. I was so happy when I noticed it finally stopped. Don't play with your hearing kids.
Science time. That's why I'm here. teach me things. Thanks Lali!
Good on you for highlighting this issue. I have tinnitus in both ears and one of my brothers has some degree of tinnitus. Ours was the result of motorcycle riding. I've ridden for many years and only in the latter years have worn earplugs. Mine is (I think) quite loud. I was a mental health clinician before retiring and I've attended to people at the ER (ED) who were suicidal with what seemed to be the level of tinnitus that I live with every day. My tinnitus has not reduced over the years (I'm 74 yo). With high noise reduction foam plugs - you need to slowly roll them into a skinny tube - and then insert as deeply as possible. I have custom silicone moulded earplugs -- but they aren't as effective as the best sound reducing 3M foam ones I use
My father is deaf due to lots of motor(cycle | car) noise over the years. Thankfully I was able to learn from that example, and keep a few earplugs in every bike jacket.
Great video. I’ve been riding for years, and tried lots: nothing (not wise), foam plugs (good for 25-33 db (also check gun stores), without the slip on exhaust), custom molded plugs (most db reduction, but need getting used to), and any plugs with helmet ( recommended). Look after your hearing. I’ve lost some of my hearing range. And, you don’t always get it back.
I wore pinlock ear plugs for a number of years, before switching to decibulls. The decibulls come with mouldable plugs, enabling them to be custom fitted at home, with added advantage that if you are not happy with the fit the first time they can be re-heated and reshaped for a better fit, all for a way more affordable price than the custom fit options from the hearing clinics.
Having a well fitted helmet, one that doesn't fog up forcing you to lift the visor, really makes a difference in terms of wind noise, making any hearing protection that bit more effective.
I raced TZ Yamahas in the 70s. My ears would ring for three days after a race meeting. I also did a lot of long drives at speed (in old cars ) towing the bikes to race weekends. My ears have been ringing for years now. All the time. Being old and ugly is boring. Its much worse being deaf as well.
I have tinnitus, over the years it has become really bad. I have always worn earplugs on a motorbike, and contribute my hear loss to music concerts.
I have switched from foam earplugs to custom silicone earplugs, which are expensive but fit really well. I will continue to wear them, as I don't want to make my symptoms any worse.
You can definitely 'zone out' of the noise, which is present all the time with me. However I am unable to hear high pitched beeps from electrical appliances (when the washer has stopped and the beeps of setting a house alarm).
Hearing loss is definitely no joke, and irreversible, and I urge everyone to wear ear protection, you can thank me later. Just remember to use at loud concerts too.
I've been riding with plug phones hooked into my cardo for the last year. noise reduction is great and I can hear my music even clearer than with speakers and normal earplugs.
Just baffles me that people won’t wear a helmet. I started working in industry after a break in college flipping lumber at a lumber mill. To go on the floor you had to put plugs in and you had to be instructed how. I had no idea I had been doing this wrong for all the shooting and chainsaw action, I was 21 then.
Now that we have kids way back when they were young I showed them how to correctly.
Many riders don’t realize the hearing loss motorcycles can cause. I’ve always been careful, using high-quality earplugs when I ride-it not only protects my hearing but also makes the ride much more enjoyable.
Picked up a pair of Alpine motosafe (race - that’s all they had) last week, and it’s a game changer for me. If I’d done the trip I did last week without them I would’ve been out of commission. I will say that I personally find the race ones a little too quiet at lower speeds/city riding. They have a two pack with the lower db rating, but they didn’t have that in stock. Gonna wait for a sale and get a pair of those too. And they’re super comfortable.
People don't realize how much better riding is with Ear Plugs. Nothing really works except the Foam Ear Plugs from Wallmart in Purple Color (not the Green or the Orange from CVS). It is soft, it blocks the most noise and you can throw them away after a few rides. Also, Apple Ear-pods with noise cancelling On works pretty good, but be careful while taking your helmet off. It may fall of your ears.
3M EAR classic are the best I've tried. Open cell foam is much more comfortable than the closed cell kind, and more effective than any other earplug that I've tried.
Thank you for posting this. Spoken like a true scientist. I have been riding since I was 14. Now I am really old but I will take your advice to heart to keep whatever hearing I have left (and it is still pretty good).
I bought the Vibes for my musician daughter, they're advertised as "all frequency attenuators". Rather than maximum hearing protection which tends to make audio sound muffled and woofly, the Vibes are meant to filter all frequency ranges more evenly, so you get a modest reduction in volume, but the sound remains nice and clear. Not recommended for noisy machinery etc, but specifically good for listening to loud music.
the biggest difference in noise is making your bikes windshield aero. if you have high enough windshield with deflector that noise doest hit your helmet directly that alone reduce noise by like 80%. That plus alpine moto racing earplugs and im super comfortable noise wise, now i hear the most my front knobby tire lol ;
weird that she didnt mentioned that. If you ride naked bike you should use the best protection you can and avoid long riders on highways etc. generally dont take naked bike outside of city. Or do yourself a favor and stop riding naked at all 😂👍🏿
I have completely forgotten about this, and yes I do feel it. Thank you for reminding me. Will buy protection today 😊
I have had tinnitus far back as I can remember. My mother has it now, after she started to lose hearing. I think in many ways being 48 years old, I'm sort of lucky because I have learned to ignore it over my lifetime. Unlike those that have come across it later in life, I know it drove my mother crazy at first.
That said only time I find it an issue, is going to bed at night. Which is why I typically have some sort of white noise etc.
To add I never "ruined" my hearing as a kid, the extent of "loud" noises was the lawn mower. Which hindsight I should have had protection on, but it was the 80's/90's.
I was tested for hearing as a kid for other reasons, and had nothing wrong. I to this day still hear better then most people around me at 48.
I got that, but I've worked in high noise environments all my life, no ear protection, im paying for it now. A lil sinus pressure and bam
Thank you, Lali! This reminds me of that person who often race the SL300 back then
I didn’t know what was the cause of that noise, I was hearing from time to time when I had my bike.
This was really helpful thank you for sharing this information.
before i got a cardo is always use noise cancelling earbuds mainly for music while i ride, now that i dont if im going anywhere out of town i use swimmers plugs as theyre moldable
I’ve worn NoNoise for several years, and ride about 12-15K miles/yr. They’re comfortable (for me), allow me to reasonably hear my music/intercom, and I’ve experienced no measurable hearing loss from hearing tests, or noticeable tinnitus. My first few months of riding I didn’t wear ear pro, but now I can never go back. It also makes long riding days far less fatiguing.
High frequency wind noise is the biggest threat to your hearing, especially if you ride a motorcycle with little wind protection. Engine noise is a far lesser contributor to hearing loss, especially when most the noise is ejected aft. It’s very possible that for Lali that riding a sport bike with minimal wind protection is why she has tinnitus which doesn’t show up on a hearing test above 8K Htz.
As someone who had a lot of ear/hearing issues as a kid, plus being in every part of band in high school and being in Marine Aviation, I know having hearing loss. My thing now is keeping the hearing I have left.
Great video thank You so much! My story. 31 years rides enduro bikes.Riding 40 weeks a year, for 20years And a 12yrs on a CBR1000 mixed in that. With ear bugs 18 dB. No hear loss or tinnitus. (Stock exhausts). The last 5years riding a ADV bike. 45000kms. I have no hearing lost. But I do have Tinnitus 😞 It's the wind noise. I think helmet manufacturers need to do more. Wind tunnel, Sound insulation eg...
The fun thing is. I swear my MX helmets are 3 to 5 dB quieter then my ADV helmet. I spent $70 Aus on custom made earplugs. They are Meant to be 40 decides quieter? I have my TV very quiet. And with them in I don't need to turn the vol up??? 🤔 They are also very sore after hrs of riding. Also even with great fitting helmets. I found turing my head can sometime change my ear shape.. Breaking the seal??? Returning the seal with my head straight again. I will try to get some 33dB era bugs. I'm also thinking of buying some motorcycle inflatable ear muffs. On top of the ear bugs!!!
Great video and nice to see you again Lali! So glad you talked about this "unspoken" topic of hearing loss among us riders. Like you, i wear ear plugs 99% of the time. I'm an ATGATT type of rider anyway and earplugs is part of the ensemble so I've never failed to not have it on. Ive worn NONoise in the past and I do like them but like you mentioned, they are pricey. So now its just good ol fashioned orange foam ear plugs from Home Depot. Wesr them like the Motogp riders do and you can't go wrong😊
Moldex sparkplugs. Hands down the best foam plugs, NRR and comfort wise. I used them at work and they were good enough that I spent my own money to have them at home to ride with.
Thanks for the video! I am a new rider and have been riding for 3 weeks now!! I have no issues with ringing in my ears, my helmet is a Shoei GT Air 2 that includes cutouts for my sunglasses so they fit perfectly within my helmet, and the wind noise is not too bad. I bought the Sena Mesh for my helmet too!
Lali, thanks for an informative video! You asked about what other riders use and think about plugs. I ride a road glide with a short windshield and the wind smacks me right across the face. Adding to that, there’s a lot of turbulence across my half-helmet chin straps that run past my ears. Because of this, wind noise is so loud that anything over 30 mph or so it makes riding just unenjoyable. I have found that the foamy plugs work best but there’s still a fair amount of noise. I found some silicone rubber “Christmas tree” ones like those you showed with a stem. The little stem is like an antenna that transmits its own turbulence noise into your ear, even if they seal well. I’m in the process of putting a longer windshield on the bike; we’ll see how that goes with noise abatement. After adding an amp and better (louder) speakers, I’ve decided that those bone-conducting headphones work pretty well and allow me to listen to music on long rides while I have the foamies inserted. It also keeps me from being “that guy” with a crazy blaring stereo at lights.
I like Surefire earplugs. They're comfortable and have a secondary plug that's attached that fills in a tiny hole if you want it quieter.
Aside from the noise and the wind, it's also the vibrations that can cause vibration induced hearing loss.
Almost every stock bike is hearing safe. It's the straight piping that causes most issues imo
@@NoName-sl5rp i have a really silent motorcycle but i also have a modular helmet which has really strong wind noises. Since I just bought it last year i didnt want to upgrade already so getting ear plugs is a cheap fix for now
its wind mate ; your bikes aero makes even bigger difference in noise than earplugs. High windshield + deflector and its almost silent wind-wise
Thanks for this. Comfort is my biggest issue, gonna order a pair of the loops to try.
Nice research Lali, hearing is a big issue for MC to be sure, very under spoken (no pun intended) about. I won't put the link here (if I do UA-cam will likely not show my comment and declare it as spam) but you can find them easy enough. They are made by a hearing aid company Phonak. The phonak serenity choice motorsport K125. (Let see if UA-cam lets me make this post while mentioning the brand). They filter out the frq of the exhaust and wind, but you can still hear the radio (if you have s system in your helmet) you can also hear street noises (lower intensity) so that your awareness is not totally diminished. The foam ones (by the way HDX from HD) work well, however they too cut too much noise out in my view not really safe as they cut too much of the street noise out). If nothing else with looking into. Cheers.
Definitely agree the foam ones do cut out a lot of noise
24 years old, been riding for 2 years and can confirm, tinnitus is real and very annoying.
I rode for half a year without and then chose Alpine motosafe pro's. Those mushroom/partyplug type things which I used to about a year and a half. But, using my motorcycle nearly daily, I noticed that they became uncomfortable and didn't want to stay in properly after 3 days consecutive riding, at roughly two hours a day. At some moments I had to put them in very far and worse, they eventually started to vibrate in my ears no matter how they were in my ears, causing a high frequency sound sort of like tinnitus but waaay worse and unpleasant. That was the moment I wanted better and way less hassle getting them in.
Then switched to custom made ones by Alpine, and had them remade once but both times they just didn't work. The first set I used for two rides, and I severely regret the decision of putting them back in for my ride home.... This set caused most of the tinnitus I currently have with the same vibration issue as the mushrooms/partyplugs. And the second set didn't even last ten minutes before I put the even more uncomfortable but better noise canceling mushrooms back in.
I don't know the name of the custom/tailor made ones I have now, but they are an absolute treat. They are not as airtight as the Alpine ones and even though both are rated for 20db, with these I can actually hear people talk (with a slightly raised voice) and don't have to turn up my music to max to hear anything. Beyond halfway is actually loud now😂
I opted not to have the little stubs which aid in getting them out of your ear. As I got asked if I wanted that (unlike at Alpine who didn't ask), and I wear a balaclava to avoid my helmet getting dirty. The person who made the mould stated it might be because of that balaclava, that the earplugs would vibrate as the stubs would touch it, and thus in a way touch the helmet.
Sorry for the long winded post, hope it did help you make the right decision though
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No, since I have always worn earplugs on every ride since I started riding decades ago.
Now I use in ear speaker earplugs that are OSHA rated for NRR. Allows me to use my comm with low volume and still hear at speed vs those that external speakers and need to crank the volume.
I had only one good ear before my most recent surgery so I've always protected my hearing.
I tell all new riders to wear earplugs on every ride, regardless of the helmet they wear.
I enjoyed your research. I had a pair made at the Moto GP race in Indy (good ole days!) that were molded to fit my own personal ear canal(s). It took about 30-45 minutes and I literally have had them for over 10 years. Several companies offer this type and I would highly recommend them for comfort and efficiency in reducing wind noise. I wear hearing aids and so I am trying to save what I have left. One more thing, I read a study several years ago regarding several different models and their comparable decibel reduction properties and one of the highest reducing types was the WAX swimmer’s ear plugs that you see kids wear at the pool!! I want to say it was like 33 dB reduction!! These are like $3.00 at any drug store!! Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. Thanks for the info!
I have had tinitus for 13 years and I have perfect hearing get it tested every couple years, I wear the most protective earbuds on every ride
Consciously thinking about tinnitus absolutely makes them 10x more noticeable. I've lived with 18 kHz tinnitus my whole life and I thought everyone heard the same thing.
Glad to know that everyone has a baseline level of tinnitus, but those of us who are bothered enough to search are obviously affected to a higher degree.
Very informative video. I have the No Noise ones. I’ve used the foam ones and feel like they filter more noise. I understand the NoNoise ones allow certain frequencies through so maybe that’s why they don’t seem to filter out enough noise. I forget to put them in about 75% of the time… I like your idea of putting foam ones in the pocket of your jackets.
My larger windscreen got broke in a fall. I got a new smaller windscreen which at speeds above 50mph causes loud wind noise in my helmet. I just wear earplugs all the time.
I did eventually get custom molded ear plugs, and they are by far the best for obvious reasons. I've worn them for hours on end without discomfort because they're molded to my ears. They cost me ~$200 at my local audiologist, and come with a lifetime warranty. Prior to that, the Alpine motorcycle plugs *were* the best I've used. Neither made my Sena/Cardo useless and I can enjoy music even at interstate speeds. The good foam ear plugs (3M usually) are probably the best at total noise reduction and price, but I had to remove them to have a conversation while stopped and it really reduced how well I could hear my bluetooth system. They just block everything, whereas better options filter certain frequencies. If you're a serious motorcyclist doing a lot of highway riding, go get custom molded ones because they're worth the money. Price out some hearing aids and you won't complain about price. Nothing is as good as your natural hearing and that fidelity...so protect it!
I use SafariLand reusable earplugs. Rated at 33db reduction. Really great and even come with a carrying screw off tube that I have on my keyring
Fully custom full shell earplugs are the only way to go in my opinion. It completely eliminates the problem of incorrect insertion/wearing, they are by definition the most comfortable because they are made from a perfect mold of your ear, and they block out the most noise by a mile. They are expensive but like seriously, get over it, your hearing should be a priority. Also they don't keep you from hearing important noises, you're still going to be able to hear if a car is honking or an emergency siren. Overall having a dramatically lower noise floor makes any ride much more enjoyable.
Howard Leight quiet ear plus are my go to plugs. Reusable for some time and washable. Needs no crushing to install. No pain even when wearing for a long day. Like trackday with many in and outs. I buy the ones that come in two plug plastic storage case. About tinnitus. You can simulate it by leaving earplugs on after riding. Sometimes it kicks in because its too quiet with the plugs. Rare occasion i had tinnitus i usually can stop it by just thinking im not hearing that. Its not there. But i always wear earplugs and im very specific that i dont ride motorcycles with bad screen design that causes high volume buffeting. With gs i use giwi airflow which is nice and quiet screen. Most naked bikes are quiet because there is no buffeting. Too loud pipes are just stupid way to damage hearing. I think if you can ride highway speeds without plugs. You already have hearing loss. Because its unbearable to me even just 5miles.
I think I’ve always had very mild tinnitus but it intensified this year after I rode on a super loud exhaust for nearly two hours with no ear protection. It was the most miserable 6 weeks of my life as the tinnitus came with migraines and no doctor could help me. The daily migraines have gone away but the tinnitus remained and after 5 months I finally habituated. Riding has become super trendy since Covid I would say, and everyone seems to be throwing money on these super sports and Pistas and Insta 360s, but hardly anyone has enough common sense to spend ~$30 on a decent pair of earplugs. Some people will learn the hard way when half their hearing has gone to shit.
I recommend these every time anyone talks about earplugs for motorcycles. A company called mipeace make flush fit safety rated earplugs that also function as headphones I've been using them for about 5 years and they're incredible especially if you use a cardo since it has a standard 3.5mm jack. The only gripe I have with them is the wire length after the split is a bit short if you choose to run them into the helmet more permanently other than that they're rated for 29db reduction and the sound quality is fantastic for $20 if you go with the wired ones (that I recommend) or they do a bluetooth option that I can't comment on the fit doesn't look flush to me so might interfere a bit for $40.
I wear wax plugs on long all day journeys. They block everything. Can’t hear comms etc Have to take them out at gas stops etc. I tried no noise, no good! I have bought Alpine but haven’t really tried them yet. Very informative video. Important subject Thank you.
I work in IndyCar racing, we get custom earplugs with earphones installed made for us by an ear specialist. They work fantastic and are the most comfortable option for long periods of time in my experience. They cost around 200~$250. I wear mine while riding all the time.
I got the Loop Switch and what I like about them are two things, they are comfy and the fact that I can switch the filtration of sound.
If I put them on "Quiet", it is somehow scary when I ride in the city due to the lack of surrounding noise, but it's mandatory when I ride on the national roads with speeds over 100kph (60mph).
What I use the most is the "Engage" mode, which is the mid filtration setting.
I also like to ride with my Airpods on noise cancellation and blast the music.
I have been very happy with the SureFire EP5 ear pro. NRR of 26, modular helmet and good windscreen make long days comfortable. I will use some petroleum jelly or Neosporin to facilitate a good seal.
It was about $75 USD for the ear impressions, then sent them off to England to get the actual custom EMIs made that was around $400. They actually reduce the sound by 31dB. The cord is made to be 50cm (about 1.6 feet) so that you can plug them into the Sena / Cardo and still have some slack to get the helmet on. They are called the Driver Comms Pro, and they are made by Ultimate Ear Protection. Kimi Räikkönen used this brand in F1 for his ears (with a screaming V10 behind his head), so they must be fairly good. :)
Dont forget that we ride with music to, wich adds up to the wind noise and the exhaust, so it can lead very fast to hearing loss ...
Duke did a study on hearing loss from people who scuba dive, fly, or travel over mountains. There thoughts are. Having to pop your ears due to different pressures causes the ear drum to thicken from being equalizing so much. Maybe you could find some more info if you can find there results. Just FYI.
Great video had no idea I was putting my earplugs in wrong this whole time 😂
Very interesting. I've never thought about this relating to motorcycles before.
Glad it was helpful!