to be fair i also picked green for my zealot because i was like lol irony. although there is dialogue that framing happens often or for hardly anything or if you question those above you in the ecclessiarchy
@@polartest122 Even if they were not actually a heretic before being arrested/recruited, it could be seen as foreshadowing that they'd turn traitor by misplacing their faith in the enemy. Although I am not sure if they were always a spy or if they became one after this encounter. But I think this detail works either way.
"My brother in the emperor's light, if you pointed at a Sister of Battle and an Ogryn sitting on a table and said that one of them was a traitor, the girl would be my first suspect"
Another thing I’ve noticed, the traitor is actually meetable. Out of cutscene. SHE IS THE COMISSARY! The lady you buy cosmetics with in game money from! Me and my friends recognized this when we saw the commissary person at level 30 was a servitor now. And after switching back and forth and looking at the cutscenes again we noticed this was her. It’s awesome.
It's cool that if you go visit her before you hit 30 she's normal and after 30 she is a servator. Also I think I saw her as a bot in one of my missions but didn't get a chance to confirm before someone joined
@@Stride70 Oh yeah she's a sinner alright! She will flirt with you sometimes as you leave the commissary saying: "I hope I see you again, love" in an Irish accent. In the grimdark, you get what you can, heresy and all.
A Zealot turning heretic is well trodden ground. It mirrors the Primarch Lorgar, and within the game there's the line "Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the GOLDEN THRONE!" which depicts one of the Faithfull treading dangerously close to the line!
I bet the mission when you have to send a message to space using a dish in the hive is because Rannick fears the transmission may be intercepted by the traitor if sent from the mourningstar. I almost feels like they wanted to build an acutal story, but then ran out of time (or they'd have to delay the game again) and cut it short. Each cutscene with an NPC seems like the beginning of an arc (work harder till I know your name, etc.). I really hope they're going to be able to still work on the game and one day make it as they might have originally intended.
It especially stung when I found out that they have a large amount of cosmetics ready to go. It feels like their time was dedicated towards putting together enough of a game to play and microtransactions, which go figure.
that's actually exactly why! there's a line of dialogue with Zola saying that not everyone aboard the Mourningstar is as trustworthy as they appear, and this (the comms-plex mission) is by far the less risky option for Rannick to ensure the transmission is secure. it feels to me like they had really huge ambitions for a drop-in-drop-out campaign, but ended up with a half-baked smattering of disconnected dialogue and cutscenes, so that if you reach a certain cutscene before hearing a certain dialogue exchange, it kinda falls flat. and with such an open and randomized mission experience, it's entirely possible to reach max level with a character before even playing each and every mission in the game!
This is what they openly said it would be like before release. Fatshark openly stated that they were going for a more live service story where the meta-narrative progresses over time.
@@SprayandPrayman22 And I don't disagree with that criticism. I'm just saying that complaining about the story working exactly the way they said it would months ago is kind of nonsense. There's plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize them, let's stick to those.
The traitor has a voice line that tips you off that they are a traitor. Sometimes when exiting the shop she runs she will say "Praise the emperor or whatever" in an incredible dismissive tone, for any imperium fan that is a huge red flag.
To be fair the loner psyker says far more acerbic things about the Emperor in a tone that is far worse than dismissive and didn't turn out to be a traitor. If he does I imagine it'll be in a far-off sequel to Darktide and it'll be like when you face one of the protagonists from Diablo 1 in Diablo 2. But I honestly don't think he will.
Personally I believe your headcanon generally, but I think it's a little more nuanced. Less that the lone rookie was given an ultimatum by members of the Sixth, but that they were the sole survivor on their first ever descent into Tertium, and that traumatized them. Chaos is nefarious. It slips through the cracks and takes control in subtle ways. Throughout our strikes into Tertium, there's plenty of Chaos iconography graffitied onto walls, ramshackle shrines built from rusted scraps, poxwalkers crying out for the Grandfather's embrace. The Traitor could have easily been mentally broken by the loss of their squad, and fallen under the influence of any one of these pathways into Chaos, being compelled by disembodied voices to scrawl glyphs and unholy wards on the walls of the Mourningstar. Being told to kill, to sabotage, to "join us". The Traitor could be terrified of themselves and paranoid about everything around them, hence why we see them clutching their chest and constantly looking over their shoulders in that one cutscene. I don't think the traitor aboard the Mourningstar was an intentional, surgically placed operative from the Sixth. But I also don't think they were spared by the scabs and given a choice to defect or die. Instead, I think it was simply the forces of Chaos doing what they do best, and overtaking a weakened mind who had lost faith in the Emperor.
Or maybe they were always a cultist but were recruited along with the other prisoners like us to be cannon fodder in the tunnels. They use that opportunity to maybe send information about the Inquisition.
It was kind of cool picking up on the details of the traitor in cutscenes on my second character playthrough. But yes, it was still incredibly lazy writing for a story.
It's not writing at all, is the point. The minute you see them in the final cutscene, you know they're gonna get shot cause they're the traitor. There's no revelation. It's just a process of elimination. No other context is given. You have to be a detective to figure it out, and even then, she could've _not_ been spotted.
@@BANANA42k And most of the "story" is done through youtube videos through those voxcast uploads by Fatshark. I really hope there would be some big update for Darktide that advances the "story". Because the cutscenes from level 1 to 30 feels more like Tutorial cutscenes.
@@Razgriz_01Yeah i tried looking up the "story" to this game because i had no idea what was happening and everytime i searched a video on this games story they explain the most basic things about WarHammer like "Who is the Emperor?" And thats when i realised this game has no story lmao
but some can steal them selves from the effects as we do see radderic just not give a rats ass at looking at the markings and even the ogryn is i suspect a little bothered but is mostly able to rest do to him not entirly being able to understand the markings and their effects.
@@lechking941 Rannick is an Interrogator in the Inquisition, he has a lot of training & experience in avoiding corruption. Guardsmen are rarely permitted to gain that experience!
In the level 26 cutscene, the traitor is standing on the left with her leg up on a box(?) watching Rannick and the crime scene with the rest of the crew.
Darktide has lore, and like a SHIT ton of it. It's all on the dialogues of all the characters, and what happens between the ship, the meetings or whatever. You just gotta listen to the story bro
I kind of figured this, but was never really sure. The incense was a big tip off to me mainly because I thought of it as similar to a rosarius or machine spirit. Some rosarius given to people of the Imperium have no actual power field that shields the user, given as more of a status for their loyalty and faith. There have been some instances where a rosarius activates even though it's little more than metal. Then there is also how machine spirits work, recalling the story of a machine spirit of a land raider that fought a Ork force after it's crew of Salamander Space Marines were liquified, and fully overriding control to avenge it's fallen crew. Both trigger from faith placed in the Emperor/Omnissiah and reacting in turn to the bearers, the incense refusing to work because the traitor is a cultist of Chaos. EDIT: Oh and another thing I just remembered as I saw this. It makes sense that the traitor is a Zealot, at least to me. They're a Reject like us, so they're already viewed in some light, as being rejected by the Emperor since we're on an Inquisitorial vessel as a prisoner. This would either result in the Zealot either declaring their faith and loyalty to the Emperor even more fervently, or break them and leave them vulnerable to influence of another. And who is the most welcoming and accepting of the forgotten, rejected, and abandoned? Nurgle.
nurgal is quite fatherly yep. but lets asume the burner there was inactive because of their chaos aliance and thus inefective. but the options ya stated are plasable.
The traitor was probably Cognitae, or at least one their of their agents. The game takes place in the Scarus Sector of Segmentum Obscurus and the Cognitae are active in the Helican Sub-Sector of the Scarus Sector. The symbols found in the room are Enuncia, which are associated with the Cognitae. Just looking at symbols of Enuncia will make you feel physically sick and make you want to turn away, possibly send you mad if you're weak willed, unless you've been trained to resist it as Rannick undoubtedly would have been, hence the reactions from the different characters in that cutscene. All of that lore was created by Dan Abnett, so it all stands to reason this is why it's in the game.
For those unaware, the Cognitae are like a bit like a Chaos Inquisition, focused on destroying the Imperium, which may or may not significantly predate the Imperium. They want to "liberate Humanity from Imperial oppression by using the power of Chaos," which... yeah. If that *is* a Cognitae agent, it must be one in training. They're supposedly equals to most Inquisitors. I highly doubt an Interrogator would get the upper hand against a fully-trained Cognitae agent unless Rannick is going to graduate from Interrogator *straight* to Lord Inquisitor.
If you wanna go with Dan Abnett inserting stuff then its probably John Grammaticus in a gender swapped disguise and he is using his elite tactical abilities and misdirection in a master plan of some sort.
It was pretty clear when the same character kept appearing in most of the cutscenes who the traitor was. I don't think the computer being hacked in the hallway was a mistake on Rannick's part. And just because there were a lot of people around in the cut scene doesn't mean that hallway is always so populated. Imperial ships are mazes, we only see the tiniest part in game, and we see more parts of it in the cut scenes. Knowing there are transmissions being beamed from the ship to the traitors, all of computers who can access transmitters are guarded. The traitor was obviously feeling pressure in the previous cutscene, so they were probably desperate. So they found the least defended terminal and hacked it with a servo skull after killing the guard. I wouldn't put it past Rannick to set up the situation to tempt the traitor out, either. The life of one guardsman is nothing compared to finding a traitor. There are a number of other ways they could have been turned traitor besides what you mentioned. They might have always been. They were a prisoner after all, in for heresy by the color of their garb. They could have always been loyal to Nurgle or chaos and used the opportunity to join the warband. They might have been corrupted by one of the other cultist prisoners on the ship. They might have become infected during the warp journey to Atoma. The Gellar Fields didn't seem to be working very well by the opening cutscene. They might have become tempted or tainted when they realized what they were fighting in Tertium Hive. They might have gone willingly, seeing it as a way to escape being a prisoner with a short life expectancy. Not that any of that matters. The Inquisitor rarely cares about motives why people turn traitor. Just destroying them when they do.
I think that's suppose to be the Zealot bodyguard for Zola, that's also seen in the prologue and previous promotional material. The garb she wears is yellow for dereliction of duty in the cutscene you mention.
You DO see them outside the cutscenes! She's the cosmetics vendor on the Morningstar. After the final cutscene, she is replaced/converted into a servitor. (I only noticed after the fact.)
Another detail is on one of the missions. Where you went to scan a tree of nurgle. You would find a dead veteran team on the way. It could link with the theory that the traitor was with a team and it went south for them. Also side note the traitor works at the cosmetic side of the ship. After she is exposed. She is now a servitor on the ship.
Actually, I gotta point it out. She's not just anyone. She's the NPC who sells you stuff in the commissary. After the cutscene is over, she's replaced by her own corpse turned into an automated ....version of herself. There's a fair amount of dialogue that auto plays if you just spend time in the lobby waiting around. I'll replay the game and try to find all of it, I guess, since I didn't pay much attention cus I was usually looking at my inventory or whatever.
Green robe, green is color of nurgle plus it means misplaced fait. So she was already nuts in religion aspect and it is easiest thing from here on out.
Fun thing too is that in a recent update to the game, I believe the one that gave us the new talent trees, you do get to interact with the traitor! If you start a new character or the lower levels, you get to see and interact with her as she is the cosmetic store shopkeeper, and when you do that final cinematic, you see her again but as a servitor.
You can see the Psyker who was with the traitor walking at the back of the line after the traitor consecrates their weapon, and again in the cantina scene he can be seen leaning against a beam. You can see the ogryn that was with the traitor on an elevator in the launch bey when meeting Masozi. The only one who isn't seen again is the one with the most noticeable haircut, the Zealot with the twin mohawks, who is the only one I've only seen once in all the cutscense.
Going off the idea that the traitor was corrupted during their first mission there are audio transmissions from a squad you can overhear. Needless to say it ends badly for them with all but two members of the team dead confirmed. While one member was captured by the enemy and is begging for death, the last we hear of the other is maniacal laughter. Its quite possible that this could be transmissions from the traitors team, with the traitor herself having basically been driven mad and falling to chaos, becoming an spy for the Mobian 6th.
Bit late to the video, but in the cutscene where the traitor bumps into the other soldier while looking over their shoulder, there's actually a patrol behind her the entire time. You can see them as dark shadows initially, and they emerge from the hallway the traitor came out of when she bumps into the other person. So the idea that Rannick was closing in on her at this point seems pretty likely.
you can in a mission find the body of a ogryn and other members at first i dint think anything of it but now i think that was the first Group she was with.
another cool theory is that rannick is actually a genestealer. some people came to this conclusion because of the ogryn mentioning genestealers and how rannicks ship was attacked and the crew but he somehow got out alright
**me doing the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the screen when bumping into the Traitor at level 2 on my second character** edit: also the incense device is called a "censor."
Censer, if you want to be specific. A censor can be a person who, well, censors things. Like the fact that nothing happened on Tiananmen Square on the 4th of June 1989.
I wonder if you can find the bodies of any of the crew the traitor is with in that cutscene. Like how theyre bodies in some of the maps...i wonder if any of them are members of that initial group
Honestly my whole head cannon was you couldn’t really afford to look for or investigate about the traitor because your number one goal is proving loyalty no matter what. The Inquisitions motto being what it is you can’t afford to do anything else, as an accusation is all it takes to catch an execution , so it is kinda true to 40k lore. Do I like it? No. Do I think this was the devs original plan? Not really. But it’s how I make sense of things.
I always wondered this. But what if our character are actually the side characters in this story. And that's the point of us missing all the investigation and only knowing the drama second-hand. With the "Cover art" team being the canonical main group. Because i think the last team she was going out with was the cover art team, and they survived by looks. I feel "Our" story will come whenever they bring the second hive city that totally doesnt exist into the lore/game
I was kinda getting the same feeling. My character is just cannon fodder, and will remain such until they miraculously survive long enough to officially become part of warband. I am on the sidelines, doing things I am assigned to. Hopefully, the game itself survives long enough for the story to continue. Maybe then we’d get some progression beyond merely being accepted. (Ah, who am I kidding. They barely managed to launch the game as it is and probably had a few budget cuts along the way.)
honestly the story is so thin in this game, i dont mind it stays vague... however i do hope we get some sort of "munitorium codex" or such to read up on alot of the lore and overall index of enemys, maps, weapons, etc etc. and i hope they will add more weapons, more classes and overall customisation options, just all the fluff around the realy satisfying and well done gameplay ^^ (Edit: the Story being "thin" in the case is ok for me, because the Universe is filled to the brim with great and well thought out layers of intertwined lore anyways * ^^ *)
Maybe the traitor was more a story of someone who's been through hell and, haunted by the event, led up to a final test of faith; staring down the barrel, they lost composure and failed. After all, in the prologue, your character has the same thing happen. They are made to stare down the barrel, they don't flinch, and proclaim their loyalty when spoken to.
I'm genuinely confused why they even bothered with the cutscenes. They're such a nothing burger, even the fact that the Traitor is visible in earlier cutscenes doesn't by itself show that this plot does anything to advance the story of darktide in any way whatsoever. Traitors are a bit of a thing in 40K to the extent that the story as the cutscenes show it is literally nothing more than an almost every day occurrence in the Imperium, plus we're working for the Inquisition sooo.... I feel these cutscenes should have just been removed as it's likely a lot was cut from them already and each one left me feeling baffled at what the point of it was. "good work, work harder and you may/may not be considered a traitor" sums up the cutscenes in their entirety. The in-mission dialogue between characters and npcs, plus the addition of the comms-plex mission do more to advance the beginnings of a story and while the new mission can be seen as tied to the reveal that there is a traitor, again this is not enough by itself to tie the cutscenes and story development through gameplay together.
While I agree on the part of people wanting more obvious story with the storytelling through the conventional way of cutscenes and literally being spoonfed all the information, there is still a LOT of story going on around you in smaller environmental details. Then again, those are harder to pick up and if you just rush on by everything without taking a proper look you'll miss out on a lot of it.
Darktide should take Payday 2 approach to storytelling, in which you can unravel things through collecting in game text and recordings as well as paying attention to your surroundings to find clues, as well as unlocking certain content by taking certain actions, which helps revel more and effects story outcomes, Payday in the grim darkness of far future...!
Yeah i completely agree as long that is in the form of easy to access codex's or audio logs that would be exactly what the game needs so we can easily put things together!
@@ItsKivKiv hey, I was the soldier in that assassination mission we almost blew at the last second, hit me up if you need a squad mate, or need an extra hand for a video!
2:30 This group of soldiers are seen again but none are alive. The ogryn is found with a dead hound on his body. The psyker is found face down on a pile of garbage. The soldier is seen in the background of the failed mission screen.
I think it's also possible the traitor was corrupted on the prison ship during the takeover, being told something like "prove yourself" and then being told to report whenever possible or something
Cut Scene 2- the vets never returned. They shouldn't have tried to carry a lvl 1 through T5 Damnation. Final Cut Scene- traitor found and shot. Mightve survived if he was a faithful as he would have a shield lol
I straight up called it. The second I heard her say "For the emperor or whatever" then immediately saw her acting sus in a cut scene." Bam heretic, I like how she was turned into a servitor at the end.
One cool detail I notice is, in the 30 level cutscene, your character, when pointed by Rannick with his gun stands proud without even blink. Because our character is a loyal servant of the throne, and thus has nothing to fear from the Inquisition agents, but the traitor inmediately panicks. It's a cool detail. The game may not be as great as it could've been, but at least it certainly loves the lore.
Impressive that you were able to put together any theory at all about Darktide's story, considering it *doesn't flippin' have one.* I'm loving the game, but good lord, they didn't just drop the ball with the story... They spiked it into the planet's core.
Toolbox, did you know there was a traitor in this video. It was the OP and FatShark. The END. Would you like to pay more money to get advertised content that wasn't delivered?????
I think that them being compromised while on a mission is the most likely option, as you can see that they have the green prisoner uniform which represents "Misplaced faith". But I imagine it as them having already had some inclination towards heresy before and that failed mission where (presumably) their team was killed made them fully turn to chaos
i like how the traitor is right there looking at their work too. i like too think they already knew about her but let her run around trying to expose anyone else. its also a neat tidbit but our own characters don't seem to be affected at all when looking at chaos markings in levels. which was either a mistep or just means our characters just have that much willpower or they accepted their fate to die for the emperor and have protection. i think she had been corrupted during her first mission as well from the chaos markings and maybe after her team died or maybe she was separated leading them to fail without a full team or betrayed them right at the end of an assassination mission that was reported as successful. its also odd how she has so much confidence at first but seems to lose it it all and starts to act SUPER sus. maybe they cut contact with her but its odd how she tries again but just at a terminal out in the open when people are resting. she could have also been a double agent but with her status as a prisoner thats unlikely to work even if they gave them guns and if she was already afraid of death then that wasn't gonna happen
The green prison garb indicates misplaced faith. Also the “incense bauble” resembles a lot of the chaos symbols you see around the levels more than any blessing tool the tech priests use. I think she was already a Nurgle follower before she was planted amongst the Mourningstar. Also you do see her descend down a lift with her strike team again
What I cant help but notice on the level 26 cutscene how Rannick seems genuinely angered when his trooper lets him know the victim is dead, kinda shows he cares, maybe no obvious but he does vare for the members of the warband
I think a short 3 mission "campaign" with the Rannick cut scenes in-between them would high light that story element a ton. like the mission objective is to find info about who the traitor could be and the hold out sections are fake info cashes to bait you to ambushes. Or it could be a random set of 3 mission with guarantied modifiers (the traitor making things harder for you) on them you play back to back. just put it in the conner of the mission select screen, so it can be replayed, and done now you actually engage with that aspect of the "story" and could feasibly guess that random charter model that keeps showing up is actually important.
6:21 The transmission caused the guardsmen to commit self die. The corrupted transmission was tainted by chaos, sent by the traitor, and the guardsmen went completely insane. He may have deleted himself in front of witnesses and no one else saw the transmission. The traitor may have been close by or halfway across the ship when this happened.
So. I dunno what it was like BEFORE the major update, but after? The traitor is also the shopkeeper for the cosmetic items purchased via in game currency. Once you hit 30 and go through the cutscene, she's gone and replaced by a servitor.
The innocent do not run. When the inquisitor pointed the gun at the player character, they stood firm in their faith. The other one ran almost immediately.
lets also not forget your pc never game a fuck when zola pointed her gun at ya just before the heratics disrupted the moment, ya persona like "if ya want to kill me to prove my word then im not stuping ya." and mearly remarks "i did" after zola noted ya say ya loyal to the throne.
I like your last theory I also wanted to add to the fact that when you said she is given a chance to live a new life under the dark gods, is that depending on your Ogryn voice choice, he might say "seen a Valkyrie come, in flames, what that about?" and Rennek tells him "Best not to go asking questions like that" perhaps after the horrible mission gone wrong they let her go, but had to make it look legit, so chased her, much like the hordes will when you try to leave a mission, and the ship got damaged on its way out. its a random bit of dialog but its fun to think its connected, or was supposed to be
and here I didn't even pay attention to that character because i assumed that they were yet another recycled asset along side every other unnamed character in those cutscenes.
Another detail; The cosmetics merchant that accepts the in game currency (and not the scummy paid currency) is the traitor I believe. They look pretty similar (red hair, clothing, tattoo under the eyes), and it would explain why they randomly turn into a servitor labeled "Atonement Unit"
Judging from player chatter in each mission, this game was seemingly going to have a sort of direct story, like how V2 did it. So we'd have missions starting from the underhive, and we would progress our way up as we unlock trust ranks to unlock missions that are higher up in the hive. Some of the higher-up missions even have mission-support folks (like the pilot, hadron, zola, etc) talk to you about how there might be a traitor on board. If they kept it that way, this whole traitor thing would have made much more sense... Instead, they went with the whole random, unordered mission board thing and it just completely nukes the coherency (ha) and structure of the narrative and what was left of it judging by a lot of the cut stuff, outta orbit.
I suspect the idea was going to be story missions unlock at level thresholds and the missions we have now were the random 'filler' missions in between. (Though they may have recycled the intended plot event mission material.) This would let them use the randomization with some amount of grind, but still have their story missions ala the previous games. Presumably you could repeat the plot missions (and thus join other players on them) once you hit the end of the initial plot on at least one character. But, you know, when the game release got pushed up by what looks to be 1 1/2 to 2 years or so... yeah.
Something of note that other people have brought up: You can actually see the traitor on board the Mourning Star while in the hub, at least before you watch the lvl 30 cutscene. She's the Cosmetic vendor across from Hallowette. After watching the cutscene in game, she gets replaced by a Servitor.
It sort of makes sense, that you’d have absolutely no idea who the hell that person was. Like the amount of people serving on an inquisition strike cruiser must be boggling, you drop into so many sorties with random prisoners and warband members- some you never see again simply because they’re so many. Having her be the commissary lady doesn’t mean anything to anyone and that’s by design. It’s impact is blunted by the fact that she really was just another face in the crowd and for the most part we are too. It was just another day for our character and that’s what makes this so interesting
I notice a lot of people never met her due to her being added in a later patch. I would just like to point out that you can now meet her, she works as the Commissary and is actually the only merchant and character (to my knowledge) that is nice to you, asking you how you've been and telling you to stay safe.
They have given her a bigger role in October 2023 when they split the regular cosmetic shop and the armory and put the armory next to Hadron. She now runs the commissary until level 30
So, the thing about all this is everyone is drawing the conclusion that this arc is done, however the very first mission they added post launch was one where you need to send a signal because they cant trust sending it via the Mourningstar due to a suspected traitor onboard. My instinct is that the traitor set up on this is actually a false flag and Rannick is actually the traitor, who shot her as she was getting close to revealing him and this ongoing issue is why we have to send the signal from off world even after the reveal. I mean otherwise this is just shit writing right?
Nah, those cutscenes regarding the traitor are only seen after arduous amounts of levelling up, I don't think they expect a majority of players to be seeing the conclusion prior to playing that mission, despite it only being recently added.
You wouldn't make it to interrogator level within the inquisition under an inquisitor if you are a spy. Unless Grendyl is 1. A complete moron. Or 2. Grendyl is a radical inquisitor, which then anything could really be possible. Seeing as they haven't show who Grendyl is and we only meet with him through a servator and his other agents makes me think that you need to have perfect trust with Grendyl to even see him physically.
This is some strong copium. But would be cool af if it were true. I mean we never actually see "the traitor" doing anything explicitly traitorous. The squad that disappeared could be because Rannick was trying to disappear her, and she's the only one who survived. The scene where she's watching the guards discover the chaos taint could just imply she knows what is going on, but can't say anything yet. And the scene with her looking over her shoulder seems like her trying to stay out of Rannick's crosshairs, regardless of which one is traitor. Gathering intel on his activity, whether for the traitor guard or for Grendyl.
3:30 I ran through the cutscene with high details and there had to be particle effects disabled, since the incense smoke is usually a part of that and particles can be straining on the graphics. So yeah, the incense smoke, or lack there of, is not really and indicator.
the cutscene where she blesses her gun i think was a bug cause i got the cutscene on my ogryn and i saw the smoke but i think the smoke not being there would have been better with the whole traitor storyline
As of the latest patch, the Traitor is now also the (non-premium) cosmetics merchant, and potentially gets turned into a servitor to continue that job after she's shot. Just noticed this when I started a new character, and while it's still far from groundbreaking storytelling, at least we will have a vague idea as to who she is before the """big reveal"""
The insense burner the traitor uses also seems to be movig away from their weapon, like two magnets do when placed pile to pole. Perhaps this is because either the burner or weapon is reacting to their true allegiance.
So another neat fun fact is if you go to the cosmetic vender after the traitor is “killed” they turned her into a servitor lol great and accurate lore detail!
A neat detail I noticed is that the traitor is nigh-on identical to one of the armor merchants. Same armor, war paint and hair/face combo. The only weird thing is that the merchant stays even after the traitor is dead.
Another update on this traitor is after she died as of the OCT 5th 2023 update she was lobotomized and repurposed as a servitor for the commissary (the weapon skin shop) "Even in death, I still serve"
I think Rannick knew from the start who the traitor was, it's just that there was a benefit in allowing them to continue operating. Maybe they deliberately allowed the traitor to steal some information to find out where it's being sent. Maybe the information was false, like the one we upload into the cogitator array on one of the missions.
My first playthrough was horribly confusing. My character just happened to look exactly like the traitor, even having a similar outfit. Two identical people walk down the red carpet, and one is executed. I thought maybe it was some kind of weird, confusing metaphor until I played through with a new character.
@@cc-bk3tx it sure does but so far the only thing they update is the stupid predatory in game shop love what the developers are doing they are talented You can tell they actually care about the game but the higher ups are Filthy greedy heretics
It’s so funny how FatShark thought it was a good idea to have the story revolve around the commissary, someone you barely should be visiting if you actually care about character progression.
She is the vendor in the commissary (or the redemption Mk.1 if level 30) So i think she was planted and when in the mission, things went wrong (whether deliberately or accidentally) but she survived (maybe showing promise with logistics) so that would give her a level of clearance into the systems and also give her opportunities to warn her friends (the carnac twins) that your coming as its unsantioned so zola must of gotten supplies off her or the premium goods vendor (cant remember her name atm sorry) which meant an unsantioned attack was likely imminent (and piece 2 and 2 together she realised they are likely going after someone high up).
Fun fact: Within the new update if you aren’t max level you can get her as an AI teammate, along with that she is the person you can buy clothing from after Madam Hallowette. And after the execution notice she becomes a servator and you can’t get her as an AI teammate anymore
While the main cutscenes are proof of what Mara Vincy has been up to... I wonder, are there any clues if you talk to her at the various milestones? She is the Commissary vendor - selling the docket cosmetics. Does her various commentary change over the game when you speak to her there? Are there any hints too when you speak to Attonement Unit MV-1, which is Mara after she's been turned into a servitor?
Not exactly clues, but sometimes, when you exit her shop, she goes like "Praise the Emperor or whatever." in a very dismissive tone, which is a bit of a red flag on a Inquisition ship that has a traitor on board.
Another neat detail, is that the traitor is given Green prison garb. Which you only get for having "Misplaced Faith".
thanks, now I have to look up prisoner colour coding for the IoM
@@thomasfoster4370 it’s at the start of the game lol
hm, its also amusing sense that is the color of nurgal too (a darker green but still greens.)
to be fair i also picked green for my zealot because i was like lol irony.
although there is dialogue that framing happens often or for hardly anything or if you question those above you in the ecclessiarchy
@@polartest122 Even if they were not actually a heretic before being arrested/recruited, it could be seen as foreshadowing that they'd turn traitor by misplacing their faith in the enemy.
Although I am not sure if they were always a spy or if they became one after this encounter. But I think this detail works either way.
Love how if you play the Ogryn, the traitor honestly believes that they fooled the interrogator into thinking the Ogryn is the traitor an Ogryn
Goofy as hell lol
Who knows, my Ogryn Uncle Ruckus (No relation) can count to 9.😂
He has the mental aptitude to go traitor.
Ogryn
@@MasterChees117 I got that thing Floyd Mayweather got where I sometimes type/read stuff reversed.😅
"My brother in the emperor's light, if you pointed at a Sister of Battle and an Ogryn sitting on a table and said that one of them was a traitor, the girl would be my first suspect"
Another thing I’ve noticed, the traitor is actually meetable. Out of cutscene. SHE IS THE COMISSARY! The lady you buy cosmetics with in game money from! Me and my friends recognized this when we saw the commissary person at level 30 was a servitor now. And after switching back and forth and looking at the cutscenes again we noticed this was her. It’s awesome.
It's cool that if you go visit her before you hit 30 she's normal and after 30 she is a servator. Also I think I saw her as a bot in one of my missions but didn't get a chance to confirm before someone joined
Oh thats cool detail
The comissary used to be a tech dude right before an update
@@Stride70 Oh yeah she's a sinner alright! She will flirt with you sometimes as you leave the commissary saying: "I hope I see you again, love" in an Irish accent. In the grimdark, you get what you can, heresy and all.
@Stride70 noticed this the other day too. Made me stop and 180. "Sounds an aweful lot like heresy lady..."
A Zealot turning heretic is well trodden ground. It mirrors the Primarch Lorgar, and within the game there's the line "Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the GOLDEN THRONE!" which depicts one of the Faithfull treading dangerously close to the line!
I wish their were more lines like that one.
"Kill, Maim, and Burn the Blasphemous!"
"Let the Galaxy burn with the Emperor's fire!"
@@moderndavinci6599 lets change these heretics to fit the emperors great plan
Once they start chanting that you know they don't have much time left.
Why is that line bad? I hit lvl 30 recently and I’m new to Warhammer lore
@@DurkRagingSmith "Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne!" is a popular chant for Khorne's Faithful, who are all heretics.
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I bet the mission when you have to send a message to space using a dish in the hive is because Rannick fears the transmission may be intercepted by the traitor if sent from the mourningstar.
I almost feels like they wanted to build an acutal story, but then ran out of time (or they'd have to delay the game again) and cut it short. Each cutscene with an NPC seems like the beginning of an arc (work harder till I know your name, etc.). I really hope they're going to be able to still work on the game and one day make it as they might have originally intended.
It especially stung when I found out that they have a large amount of cosmetics ready to go. It feels like their time was dedicated towards putting together enough of a game to play and microtransactions, which go figure.
that's actually exactly why! there's a line of dialogue with Zola saying that not everyone aboard the Mourningstar is as trustworthy as they appear, and this (the comms-plex mission) is by far the less risky option for Rannick to ensure the transmission is secure.
it feels to me like they had really huge ambitions for a drop-in-drop-out campaign, but ended up with a half-baked smattering of disconnected dialogue and cutscenes, so that if you reach a certain cutscene before hearing a certain dialogue exchange, it kinda falls flat. and with such an open and randomized mission experience, it's entirely possible to reach max level with a character before even playing each and every mission in the game!
This is what they openly said it would be like before release. Fatshark openly stated that they were going for a more live service story where the meta-narrative progresses over time.
@@the_mad_fool They’ve also said we’re getting the full crafting system by December, and, well….
@@SprayandPrayman22 And I don't disagree with that criticism. I'm just saying that complaining about the story working exactly the way they said it would months ago is kind of nonsense. There's plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize them, let's stick to those.
The traitor has a voice line that tips you off that they are a traitor. Sometimes when exiting the shop she runs she will say "Praise the emperor or whatever" in an incredible dismissive tone, for any imperium fan that is a huge red flag.
Corpse emperor 😂
If it was more lore accurate she’d be sanctioned or shot by the inquisitors for that
@@ryancialone3045 You predicted her future, lol.
To be fair the loner psyker says far more acerbic things about the Emperor in a tone that is far worse than dismissive and didn't turn out to be a traitor.
If he does I imagine it'll be in a far-off sequel to Darktide and it'll be like when you face one of the protagonists from Diablo 1 in Diablo 2. But I honestly don't think he will.
Personally I believe your headcanon generally, but I think it's a little more nuanced. Less that the lone rookie was given an ultimatum by members of the Sixth, but that they were the sole survivor on their first ever descent into Tertium, and that traumatized them.
Chaos is nefarious. It slips through the cracks and takes control in subtle ways. Throughout our strikes into Tertium, there's plenty of Chaos iconography graffitied onto walls, ramshackle shrines built from rusted scraps, poxwalkers crying out for the Grandfather's embrace.
The Traitor could have easily been mentally broken by the loss of their squad, and fallen under the influence of any one of these pathways into Chaos, being compelled by disembodied voices to scrawl glyphs and unholy wards on the walls of the Mourningstar. Being told to kill, to sabotage, to "join us". The Traitor could be terrified of themselves and paranoid about everything around them, hence why we see them clutching their chest and constantly looking over their shoulders in that one cutscene.
I don't think the traitor aboard the Mourningstar was an intentional, surgically placed operative from the Sixth. But I also don't think they were spared by the scabs and given a choice to defect or die. Instead, I think it was simply the forces of Chaos doing what they do best, and overtaking a weakened mind who had lost faith in the Emperor.
Or maybe they were always a cultist but were recruited along with the other prisoners like us to be cannon fodder in the tunnels. They use that opportunity to maybe send information about the Inquisition.
I wish we could smash & burn some of the Chaotic markings in game, it'd be very characterful!
I like this theory.
I love how after the final cutscene you can see that she becomes a atonement unit by visiting the commissary
It was kind of cool picking up on the details of the traitor in cutscenes on my second character playthrough. But yes, it was still incredibly lazy writing for a story.
What writing
It's not writing at all, is the point.
The minute you see them in the final cutscene, you know they're gonna get shot cause they're the traitor. There's no revelation. It's just a process of elimination.
No other context is given. You have to be a detective to figure it out, and even then, she could've _not_ been spotted.
Even calling it a story is being pretty generous tbh. The background lore is insane but the main story might as well not even be there
@@BANANA42k And most of the "story" is done through youtube videos through those voxcast uploads by Fatshark. I really hope there would be some big update for Darktide that advances the "story". Because the cutscenes from level 1 to 30 feels more like Tutorial cutscenes.
@@Razgriz_01Yeah i tried looking up the "story" to this game because i had no idea what was happening and everytime i searched a video on this games story they explain the most basic things about WarHammer like "Who is the Emperor?" And thats when i realised this game has no story lmao
Chaotic markings have a mental effect in that they can convey curses, break the mind of the beholder or lead to corruption/possession
but some can steal them selves from the effects as we do see radderic just not give a rats ass at looking at the markings and even the ogryn is i suspect a little bothered but is mostly able to rest do to him not entirly being able to understand the markings and their effects.
@@lechking941 it's a matter of will power if you look into the roleplay game too
@@lechking941 Rannick is an Interrogator in the Inquisition, he has a lot of training & experience in avoiding corruption. Guardsmen are rarely permitted to gain that experience!
I wish we could smash & burn some of the Chaotic markings in game, it'd be very characterful
@@paullittle835 also fitting but alas chaos seeps deep.
In the level 26 cutscene, the traitor is standing on the left with her leg up on a box(?) watching Rannick and the crime scene with the rest of the crew.
i feel like there was more effort put into this video about Darktide lore, than there was into the Darktide lore itself
hahah yeah i wish there was more but will try to cover other aspects of warhammer in the future which have more to them
It's a tide game. None of them are particularly plot heavy.
Darktide has lore, and like a SHIT ton of it. It's all on the dialogues of all the characters, and what happens between the ship, the meetings or whatever. You just gotta listen to the story bro
I kind of figured this, but was never really sure. The incense was a big tip off to me mainly because I thought of it as similar to a rosarius or machine spirit. Some rosarius given to people of the Imperium have no actual power field that shields the user, given as more of a status for their loyalty and faith. There have been some instances where a rosarius activates even though it's little more than metal. Then there is also how machine spirits work, recalling the story of a machine spirit of a land raider that fought a Ork force after it's crew of Salamander Space Marines were liquified, and fully overriding control to avenge it's fallen crew. Both trigger from faith placed in the Emperor/Omnissiah and reacting in turn to the bearers, the incense refusing to work because the traitor is a cultist of Chaos.
EDIT: Oh and another thing I just remembered as I saw this. It makes sense that the traitor is a Zealot, at least to me. They're a Reject like us, so they're already viewed in some light, as being rejected by the Emperor since we're on an Inquisitorial vessel as a prisoner. This would either result in the Zealot either declaring their faith and loyalty to the Emperor even more fervently, or break them and leave them vulnerable to influence of another. And who is the most welcoming and accepting of the forgotten, rejected, and abandoned? Nurgle.
nurgal is quite fatherly yep. but lets asume the burner there was inactive because of their chaos aliance and thus inefective. but the options ya stated are plasable.
tacticus, look for the plague bell... i don't have much time XD
The traitor was probably Cognitae, or at least one their of their agents. The game takes place in the Scarus Sector of Segmentum Obscurus and the Cognitae are active in the Helican Sub-Sector of the Scarus Sector. The symbols found in the room are Enuncia, which are associated with the Cognitae. Just looking at symbols of Enuncia will make you feel physically sick and make you want to turn away, possibly send you mad if you're weak willed, unless you've been trained to resist it as Rannick undoubtedly would have been, hence the reactions from the different characters in that cutscene. All of that lore was created by Dan Abnett, so it all stands to reason this is why it's in the game.
The traitor is the commissary clerk
For those unaware, the Cognitae are like a bit like a Chaos Inquisition, focused on destroying the Imperium, which may or may not significantly predate the Imperium.
They want to "liberate Humanity from Imperial oppression by using the power of Chaos," which... yeah.
If that *is* a Cognitae agent, it must be one in training. They're supposedly equals to most Inquisitors. I highly doubt an Interrogator would get the upper hand against a fully-trained Cognitae agent unless Rannick is going to graduate from Interrogator *straight* to Lord Inquisitor.
NERD
If you wanna go with Dan Abnett inserting stuff then its probably John Grammaticus in a gender swapped disguise and he is using his elite tactical abilities and misdirection in a master plan of some sort.
It was pretty clear when the same character kept appearing in most of the cutscenes who the traitor was. I don't think the computer being hacked in the hallway was a mistake on Rannick's part. And just because there were a lot of people around in the cut scene doesn't mean that hallway is always so populated. Imperial ships are mazes, we only see the tiniest part in game, and we see more parts of it in the cut scenes. Knowing there are transmissions being beamed from the ship to the traitors, all of computers who can access transmitters are guarded. The traitor was obviously feeling pressure in the previous cutscene, so they were probably desperate. So they found the least defended terminal and hacked it with a servo skull after killing the guard. I wouldn't put it past Rannick to set up the situation to tempt the traitor out, either. The life of one guardsman is nothing compared to finding a traitor.
There are a number of other ways they could have been turned traitor besides what you mentioned. They might have always been. They were a prisoner after all, in for heresy by the color of their garb. They could have always been loyal to Nurgle or chaos and used the opportunity to join the warband. They might have been corrupted by one of the other cultist prisoners on the ship. They might have become infected during the warp journey to Atoma. The Gellar Fields didn't seem to be working very well by the opening cutscene. They might have become tempted or tainted when they realized what they were fighting in Tertium Hive. They might have gone willingly, seeing it as a way to escape being a prisoner with a short life expectancy.
Not that any of that matters. The Inquisitor rarely cares about motives why people turn traitor. Just destroying them when they do.
I’m pretty sure she is in the “I am a warrior” scene also. She looks up at the torso projector then looks away.
I think that's suppose to be the Zealot bodyguard for Zola, that's also seen in the prologue and previous promotional material. The garb she wears is yellow for dereliction of duty in the cutscene you mention.
Different hair :(
You DO see them outside the cutscenes! She's the cosmetics vendor on the Morningstar. After the final cutscene, she is replaced/converted into a servitor. (I only noticed after the fact.)
by the time this video was made she didn't appear outside of cutscenes her running the commissary was added in patch 13.
@@commandergame Really?
@@commandergame possibly deliberately then ?
Another detail is on one of the missions. Where you went to scan a tree of nurgle. You would find a dead veteran team on the way. It could link with the theory that the traitor was with a team and it went south for them.
Also side note the traitor works at the cosmetic side of the ship. After she is exposed. She is now a servitor on the ship.
The dead team is the same team that get killed in the trailer by the Chaos Spawn, it's not hers
Actually, I gotta point it out. She's not just anyone. She's the NPC who sells you stuff in the commissary. After the cutscene is over, she's replaced by her own corpse turned into an automated ....version of herself.
There's a fair amount of dialogue that auto plays if you just spend time in the lobby waiting around.
I'll replay the game and try to find all of it, I guess, since I didn't pay much attention cus I was usually looking at my inventory or whatever.
her running the commissary was added in patch 13 before that she didn't appear outside of cutscenes.
Green robe, green is color of nurgle plus it means misplaced fait. So she was already nuts in religion aspect and it is easiest thing from here on out.
All pretty cool ideas, can't wait for the full release of the game.
haha me too
Fun thing too is that in a recent update to the game, I believe the one that gave us the new talent trees, you do get to interact with the traitor!
If you start a new character or the lower levels, you get to see and interact with her as she is the cosmetic store shopkeeper, and when you do that final cinematic, you see her again but as a servitor.
You can see the Psyker who was with the traitor walking at the back of the line after the traitor consecrates their weapon, and again in the cantina scene he can be seen leaning against a beam. You can see the ogryn that was with the traitor on an elevator in the launch bey when meeting Masozi. The only one who isn't seen again is the one with the most noticeable haircut, the Zealot with the twin mohawks, who is the only one I've only seen once in all the cutscense.
Going off the idea that the traitor was corrupted during their first mission there are audio transmissions from a squad you can overhear. Needless to say it ends badly for them with all but two members of the team dead confirmed. While one member was captured by the enemy and is begging for death, the last we hear of the other is maniacal laughter. Its quite possible that this could be transmissions from the traitors team, with the traitor herself having basically been driven mad and falling to chaos, becoming an spy for the Mobian 6th.
Bit late to the video, but in the cutscene where the traitor bumps into the other soldier while looking over their shoulder, there's actually a patrol behind her the entire time. You can see them as dark shadows initially, and they emerge from the hallway the traitor came out of when she bumps into the other person. So the idea that Rannick was closing in on her at this point seems pretty likely.
you can in a mission find the body of a ogryn and other members at first i dint think anything of it but now i think that was the first Group she was with.
another cool theory is that rannick is actually a genestealer. some people came to this conclusion because of the ogryn mentioning genestealers and how rannicks ship was attacked and the crew but he somehow got out alright
either rannick or morrow im not too sure
Love this idea, would be awesome to fight genestealers in darktide
Its morrow who fought genestealer and was the only surviver and that he's been alive for a long time since the second or third war of armagodden
**me doing the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the screen when bumping into the Traitor at level 2 on my second character**
edit: also the incense device is called a "censor."
Censer, if you want to be specific. A censor can be a person who, well, censors things. Like the fact that nothing happened on Tiananmen Square on the 4th of June 1989.
I wonder if you can find the bodies of any of the crew the traitor is with in that cutscene. Like how theyre bodies in some of the maps...i wonder if any of them are members of that initial group
ooo very interesting, i haven't seen any yet but i will need to keep and eye out for that!
@@ItsKivKiv There's at least one dead ogryn on a map that's always there, though I doubt it matches the cutscene one.
Honestly my whole head cannon was you couldn’t really afford to look for or investigate about the traitor because your number one goal is proving loyalty no matter what. The Inquisitions motto being what it is you can’t afford to do anything else, as an accusation is all it takes to catch an execution , so it is kinda true to 40k lore. Do I like it? No. Do I think this was the devs original plan? Not really. But it’s how I make sense of things.
Yeah you're not really able to investigate the other personnel when you're down in the tunnels fighting zombies and witches.
I always wondered this. But what if our character are actually the side characters in this story. And that's the point of us missing all the investigation and only knowing the drama second-hand. With the "Cover art" team being the canonical main group. Because i think the last team she was going out with was the cover art team, and they survived by looks. I feel "Our" story will come whenever they bring the second hive city that totally doesnt exist into the lore/game
I was kinda getting the same feeling. My character is just cannon fodder, and will remain such until they miraculously survive long enough to officially become part of warband. I am on the sidelines, doing things I am assigned to. Hopefully, the game itself survives long enough for the story to continue. Maybe then we’d get some progression beyond merely being accepted.
(Ah, who am I kidding. They barely managed to launch the game as it is and probably had a few budget cuts along the way.)
honestly the story is so thin in this game, i dont mind it stays vague... however i do hope we get some sort of "munitorium codex" or such to read up on alot of the lore and overall index of enemys, maps, weapons, etc etc. and i hope they will add more weapons, more classes and overall customisation options, just all the fluff around the realy satisfying and well done gameplay ^^ (Edit: the Story being "thin" in the case is ok for me, because the Universe is filled to the brim with great and well thought out layers of intertwined lore anyways * ^^ *)
Yes I hope new DLC or material chapters are released in future installments
Maybe the traitor was more a story of someone who's been through hell and, haunted by the event, led up to a final test of faith; staring down the barrel, they lost composure and failed.
After all, in the prologue, your character has the same thing happen. They are made to stare down the barrel, they don't flinch, and proclaim their loyalty when spoken to.
I'm genuinely confused why they even bothered with the cutscenes. They're such a nothing burger, even the fact that the Traitor is visible in earlier cutscenes doesn't by itself show that this plot does anything to advance the story of darktide in any way whatsoever. Traitors are a bit of a thing in 40K to the extent that the story as the cutscenes show it is literally nothing more than an almost every day occurrence in the Imperium, plus we're working for the Inquisition sooo....
I feel these cutscenes should have just been removed as it's likely a lot was cut from them already and each one left me feeling baffled at what the point of it was. "good work, work harder and you may/may not be considered a traitor" sums up the cutscenes in their entirety.
The in-mission dialogue between characters and npcs, plus the addition of the comms-plex mission do more to advance the beginnings of a story and while the new mission can be seen as tied to the reveal that there is a traitor, again this is not enough by itself to tie the cutscenes and story development through gameplay together.
While I agree on the part of people wanting more obvious story with the storytelling through the conventional way of cutscenes and literally being spoonfed all the information, there is still a LOT of story going on around you in smaller environmental details. Then again, those are harder to pick up and if you just rush on by everything without taking a proper look you'll miss out on a lot of it.
well I think that the chaos regiment is interesting and some of the Inquisition agents are fantastic otherwise I was nonplussed
I am literally going to be making that a big aspect of my next video haha
seems the made the Traitor the new shop keeper of the clothing store now.
Darktide should take Payday 2 approach to storytelling, in which you can unravel things through collecting in game text and recordings as well as paying attention to your surroundings to find clues, as well as unlocking certain content by taking certain actions, which helps revel more and effects story outcomes, Payday in the grim darkness of far future...!
Yeah i completely agree as long that is in the form of easy to access codex's or audio logs that would be exactly what the game needs so we can easily put things together!
Going through the cutscenes you do see her a few times. Though I agree it would’ve been good if we could’ve talked to her at least once
You've definitely put more thought into this character than the writers did.
I believe the traitor was the person who ran the commissary, because after the level 30 cutscene the person running it looks very different
Yep she still runs it. They turned her into a servitor
I've got 3 level 30s with hundreds of hours played now. I've never noticed a story.
2:24 isnt that ogryn same as the one you can find dead in one of the maps holding a knife and dead hound ?
Would definitely like to see more of this story play out in future, maybe even a mission on the Mourningstar..
Hell yeah that would be so cool, esp as a nice bit of DLC
@@ItsKivKiv hey, I was the soldier in that assassination mission we almost blew at the last second, hit me up if you need a squad mate, or need an extra hand for a video!
2:30 This group of soldiers are seen again but none are alive.
The ogryn is found with a dead hound on his body. The psyker is found face down on a pile of garbage. The soldier is seen in the background of the failed mission screen.
I think it's also possible the traitor was corrupted on the prison ship during the takeover, being told something like "prove yourself" and then being told to report whenever possible or something
In the lvl 26 cutscene the traitor can be seen standing to the left with one fot up resting her arms on one of her thigh's.
I think the way they did this was perfect. After all “Knowledge weakens the will to act.”
Cut Scene 2- the vets never returned.
They shouldn't have tried to carry a lvl 1 through T5 Damnation.
Final Cut Scene- traitor found and shot.
Mightve survived if he was a faithful as he would have a shield lol
I straight up called it. The second I heard her say "For the emperor or whatever" then immediately saw her acting sus in a cut scene." Bam heretic, I like how she was turned into a servitor at the end.
One cool detail I notice is, in the 30 level cutscene, your character, when pointed by Rannick with his gun stands proud without even blink. Because our character is a loyal servant of the throne, and thus has nothing to fear from the Inquisition agents, but the traitor inmediately panicks. It's a cool detail. The game may not be as great as it could've been, but at least it certainly loves the lore.
Impressive that you were able to put together any theory at all about Darktide's story, considering it *doesn't flippin' have one.*
I'm loving the game, but good lord, they didn't just drop the ball with the story... They spiked it into the planet's core.
Toolbox, did you know there was a traitor in this video. It was the OP and FatShark. The END. Would you like to pay more money to get advertised content that wasn't delivered?????
I think that them being compromised while on a mission is the most likely option, as you can see that they have the green prisoner uniform which represents "Misplaced faith". But I imagine it as them having already had some inclination towards heresy before and that failed mission where (presumably) their team was killed made them fully turn to chaos
Thats the dead Ogryn with hound biting his leg with the knife in its head
i like how the traitor is right there looking at their work too. i like too think they already knew about her but let her run around trying to expose anyone else.
its also a neat tidbit but our own characters don't seem to be affected at all when looking at chaos markings in levels. which was either a mistep or just means our characters just have that much willpower or they accepted their fate to die for the emperor and have protection.
i think she had been corrupted during her first mission as well from the chaos markings and maybe after her team died or maybe she was separated leading them to fail without a full team or betrayed them right at the end of an assassination mission that was reported as successful.
its also odd how she has so much confidence at first but seems to lose it it all and starts to act SUPER sus. maybe they cut contact with her but its odd how she tries again but just at a terminal out in the open when people are resting.
she could have also been a double agent but with her status as a prisoner thats unlikely to work even if they gave them guns and if she was already afraid of death then that wasn't gonna happen
The green prison garb indicates misplaced faith. Also the “incense bauble” resembles a lot of the chaos symbols you see around the levels more than any blessing tool the tech priests use. I think she was already a Nurgle follower before she was planted amongst the Mourningstar. Also you do see her descend down a lift with her strike team again
What I cant help but notice on the level 26 cutscene how Rannick seems genuinely angered when his trooper lets him know the victim is dead, kinda shows he cares, maybe no obvious but he does vare for the members of the warband
I think a short 3 mission "campaign" with the Rannick cut scenes in-between them would high light that story element a ton. like the mission objective is to find info about who the traitor could be and the hold out sections are fake info cashes to bait you to ambushes. Or it could be a random set of 3 mission with guarantied modifiers (the traitor making things harder for you) on them you play back to back. just put it in the conner of the mission select screen, so it can be replayed, and done now you actually engage with that aspect of the "story" and could feasibly guess that random charter model that keeps showing up is actually important.
She was prey to the machine gods without any smoke coming from her incense in her prayer chain
6:21 The transmission caused the guardsmen to commit self die. The corrupted transmission was tainted by chaos, sent by the traitor, and the guardsmen went completely insane. He may have deleted himself in front of witnesses and no one else saw the transmission. The traitor may have been close by or halfway across the ship when this happened.
So. I dunno what it was like BEFORE the major update, but after? The traitor is also the shopkeeper for the cosmetic items purchased via in game currency. Once you hit 30 and go through the cutscene, she's gone and replaced by a servitor.
she is not replaced by a servitor she was turned into a servitor.
The innocent do not run.
When the inquisitor pointed the gun at the player character, they stood firm in their faith.
The other one ran almost immediately.
lets also not forget your pc never game a fuck when zola pointed her gun at ya just before the heratics disrupted the moment, ya persona like "if ya want to kill me to prove my word then im not stuping ya." and mearly remarks "i did" after zola noted ya say ya loyal to the throne.
I like your last theory
I also wanted to add to the fact that when you said she is given a chance to live a new life under the dark gods, is that depending on your Ogryn voice choice, he might say "seen a Valkyrie come, in flames, what that about?" and Rennek tells him "Best not to go asking questions like that"
perhaps after the horrible mission gone wrong they let her go, but had to make it look legit, so chased her, much like the hordes will when you try to leave a mission, and the ship got damaged on its way out.
its a random bit of dialog but its fun to think its connected, or was supposed to be
and here I didn't even pay attention to that character because i assumed that they were yet another recycled asset along side every other unnamed character in those cutscenes.
Another detail; The cosmetics merchant that accepts the in game currency (and not the scummy paid currency) is the traitor I believe. They look pretty similar (red hair, clothing, tattoo under the eyes), and it would explain why they randomly turn into a servitor labeled "Atonement Unit"
Judging from player chatter in each mission, this game was seemingly going to have a sort of direct story, like how V2 did it.
So we'd have missions starting from the underhive, and we would progress our way up as we unlock trust ranks to unlock missions that are higher up in the hive.
Some of the higher-up missions even have mission-support folks (like the pilot, hadron, zola, etc) talk to you about how there might be a traitor on board.
If they kept it that way, this whole traitor thing would have made much more sense... Instead, they went with the whole random, unordered mission board thing and it just completely nukes the coherency (ha) and structure of the narrative and what was left of it judging by a lot of the cut stuff, outta orbit.
I suspect the idea was going to be story missions unlock at level thresholds and the missions we have now were the random 'filler' missions in between. (Though they may have recycled the intended plot event mission material.) This would let them use the randomization with some amount of grind, but still have their story missions ala the previous games. Presumably you could repeat the plot missions (and thus join other players on them) once you hit the end of the initial plot on at least one character. But, you know, when the game release got pushed up by what looks to be 1 1/2 to 2 years or so... yeah.
Something of note that other people have brought up: You can actually see the traitor on board the Mourning Star while in the hub, at least before you watch the lvl 30 cutscene. She's the Cosmetic vendor across from Hallowette. After watching the cutscene in game, she gets replaced by a Servitor.
On a meta level, it's the one person that could cost the team.
It sort of makes sense, that you’d have absolutely no idea who the hell that person was. Like the amount of people serving on an inquisition strike cruiser must be boggling, you drop into so many sorties with random prisoners and warband members- some you never see again simply because they’re so many. Having her be the commissary lady doesn’t mean anything to anyone and that’s by design. It’s impact is blunted by the fact that she really was just another face in the crowd and for the most part we are too. It was just another day for our character and that’s what makes this so interesting
I notice a lot of people never met her due to her being added in a later patch. I would just like to point out that you can now meet her, she works as the Commissary and is actually the only merchant and character (to my knowledge) that is nice to you, asking you how you've been and telling you to stay safe.
That person certainly has vented
They have given her a bigger role in October 2023 when they split the regular cosmetic shop and the armory and put the armory next to Hadron. She now runs the commissary until level 30
So, the thing about all this is everyone is drawing the conclusion that this arc is done, however the very first mission they added post launch was one where you need to send a signal because they cant trust sending it via the Mourningstar due to a suspected traitor onboard. My instinct is that the traitor set up on this is actually a false flag and Rannick is actually the traitor, who shot her as she was getting close to revealing him and this ongoing issue is why we have to send the signal from off world even after the reveal.
I mean otherwise this is just shit writing right?
fuck i never thought about it that way.
Nah, those cutscenes regarding the traitor are only seen after arduous amounts of levelling up, I don't think they expect a majority of players to be seeing the conclusion prior to playing that mission, despite it only being recently added.
You wouldn't make it to interrogator level within the inquisition under an inquisitor if you are a spy. Unless Grendyl is 1. A complete moron. Or 2. Grendyl is a radical inquisitor, which then anything could really be possible. Seeing as they haven't show who Grendyl is and we only meet with him through a servator and his other agents makes me think that you need to have perfect trust with Grendyl to even see him physically.
This is some strong copium. But would be cool af if it were true.
I mean we never actually see "the traitor" doing anything explicitly traitorous. The squad that disappeared could be because Rannick was trying to disappear her, and she's the only one who survived. The scene where she's watching the guards discover the chaos taint could just imply she knows what is going on, but can't say anything yet. And the scene with her looking over her shoulder seems like her trying to stay out of Rannick's crosshairs, regardless of which one is traitor. Gathering intel on his activity, whether for the traitor guard or for Grendyl.
Haha hopefully it is similar to that. Otherwise I am very worried
The traitor turned traitor because they were offered bleu cheese.
I think that Rannick’s team was doubling over from the stench that came from the room. You can see that the air is thick and green.
3:30 I ran through the cutscene with high details and there had to be particle effects disabled, since the incense smoke is usually a part of that and particles can be straining on the graphics.
So yeah, the incense smoke, or lack there of, is not really and indicator.
the cutscene where she blesses her gun i think was a bug cause i got the cutscene on my ogryn and i saw the smoke but i think the smoke not being there would have been better with the whole traitor storyline
As of the latest patch, the Traitor is now also the (non-premium) cosmetics merchant, and potentially gets turned into a servitor to continue that job after she's shot. Just noticed this when I started a new character, and while it's still far from groundbreaking storytelling, at least we will have a vague idea as to who she is before the """big reveal"""
The insense burner the traitor uses also seems to be movig away from their weapon, like two magnets do when placed pile to pole. Perhaps this is because either the burner or weapon is reacting to their true allegiance.
Here's another question: why the hell is the traitor with you during the final cutscene
It's called "making an example of" if you don't want people to become traitors, then you show everyone what happens to them if they do.
@@randomcast3183 tthey live only as long as they are useful. thus the phrase "innocence proves nothing"
@@lechking941quite sure that phrase exists because somebody can be possessed and not know about it. Ergo being innocent but still a threat.
@@Psychoangel-d23 ya, and sadly the imperium needs you to always be useful
In one of the updates, probably the class overhaul, the Traitor, now named Mara Vinci, was put in charge of the commissary.
we do see at least one of the veterans again later, the ogryn.
Explanation? Too easy. A reject fell to Chaos trying to become a champion.
The traitor is one of the ship's NPCs who sell you things.
So another neat fun fact is if you go to the cosmetic vender after the traitor is “killed” they turned her into a servitor lol great and accurate lore detail!
A neat detail I noticed is that the traitor is nigh-on identical to one of the armor merchants.
Same armor, war paint and hair/face combo.
The only weird thing is that the merchant stays even after the traitor is dead.
Another update on this traitor is after she died as of the OCT 5th 2023 update she was lobotomized and repurposed as a servitor for the commissary (the weapon skin shop) "Even in death, I still serve"
Pretty sure the traitor is the chick at the armour store. After she died in brought back as a cyborg corpse still working
I think Rannick knew from the start who the traitor was, it's just that there was a benefit in allowing them to continue operating. Maybe they deliberately allowed the traitor to steal some information to find out where it's being sent. Maybe the information was false, like the one we upload into the cogitator array on one of the missions.
To be fair, if I had to pick up, and carry around grandfather Nurgles books, I'd probably go a little bonkers too
this dude putting more effort in analyzing the story than fat shark in writeing the story
She Mara Vinci, and she is the commissary, who becomes replaced with Atonement Unit MV-1.
MV meaning Mara Vinci.
My first playthrough was horribly confusing. My character just happened to look exactly like the traitor, even having a similar outfit. Two identical people walk down the red carpet, and one is executed. I thought maybe it was some kind of weird, confusing metaphor until I played through with a new character.
What a surprise, I wasn't the traitor, who could've seen that coming
There is a rumor that they might add a Campaign But who knows it might completely be false
God I hope so the game needs work badly
@@cc-bk3tx it sure does but so far the only thing they update is the stupid predatory in game shop love what the developers are doing they are talented You can tell they actually care about the game but the higher ups are Filthy greedy heretics
It’s so funny how FatShark thought it was a good idea to have the story revolve around the commissary, someone you barely should be visiting if you actually care about character progression.
She is the vendor in the commissary (or the redemption Mk.1 if level 30)
So i think she was planted and when in the mission, things went wrong (whether deliberately or accidentally) but she survived (maybe showing promise with logistics) so that would give her a level of clearance into the systems and also give her opportunities to warn her friends (the carnac twins) that your coming as its unsantioned so zola must of gotten supplies off her or the premium goods vendor (cant remember her name atm sorry) which meant an unsantioned attack was likely imminent (and piece 2 and 2 together she realised they are likely going after someone high up).
Fun fact:
Within the new update if you aren’t max level you can get her as an AI teammate, along with that she is the person you can buy clothing from after Madam Hallowette. And after the execution notice she becomes a servator and you can’t get her as an AI teammate anymore
Hey your not a reject. Your a person who is commuting a life sentence.
While the main cutscenes are proof of what Mara Vincy has been up to... I wonder, are there any clues if you talk to her at the various milestones? She is the Commissary vendor - selling the docket cosmetics. Does her various commentary change over the game when you speak to her there? Are there any hints too when you speak to Attonement Unit MV-1, which is Mara after she's been turned into a servitor?
Not exactly clues, but sometimes, when you exit her shop, she goes like "Praise the Emperor or whatever." in a very dismissive tone, which is a bit of a red flag on a Inquisition ship that has a traitor on board.