Final Fantasy series in serious trouble as FF16 & FF7 Rebirth sales disappoint & profits decline...
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Aside from the MMO FF14, every recent new entry seems to be selling less and less, and beyond things like exclusivity having some negative impact, there's a general sense that Final Fantasy is only appealing to nostalgic fans as constant reinventions like FF16's much different tone and gameplay alienate old fans who feel recent entries have been to much of a departure while being unable to attract new fans from the masses. The inconsistent identity of Final Fantasy has been a topic of discussion and I think one worth exploring.
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Can't wait for final fantasy final...
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Oh my god, name me another "iconic" duo like Square Enix & "did not met our expectations".
Ubisoft
EA and "we have listened to the fans".
Dude. Stop it. They are having loses. Its not a unrealistic expectation
Amazon and "we treat our workers with respect".
@@woaioppai4022 Nintendo and lacking online features popularized back in 2005.
Sony and censoring third party games.
Sony and ignoring Bloodborne.
Microsoft and coming in third place in console sales.
They already admitted to cutting their profit potential by taking forever to make a single game at a time and making them single platform exclusive. It's a solvable problem.
And even that if they managed their budgets better by not making stupid games and also not making things that they never intend to release they would be in a better situation.
@@lostnemesis Not to mention who knows how much money they wasted already on NFT nonsense.
I get the ps1 game was on 4 different disks but making your game into 4 different parts and making people wait for a decade to get all thr parts is dumb
Personally I'm waiting until tgey are done to purchase tge all in one collections edition to then play it
No point playing the parts now and waiting years to forget the story when the next part comes out
Censorships and "modern action" its also another problem.
If i play a numbering title, i want my party members, not just one playable character with few NPCs lol
@@Patrickf5087 ps1 games sold less than 10 millions copies over YEARS. Now SE expects game get 10-20 millions in the launch week.
Its almost as if timed exclusive launches harm profits...
No OG final fantasy is always exclusive and it work
Considering how expensive AAA production costs are nowadays I even wonder how they accept going in the timed exclusive route.
@@hellchemical Times have changed
What no way, obviously they double down and wait years to release on steam because that’s working so well…..
@@hellchemical that was 20 years ago. it's not the same today. Exclusives don't make sense today.
Im a PC gamer. After 1 year later my hype is gone and I'm no longer willing to pay full price for the PC release.
The game is really fun tho.
For me it’s more like if I waited a year, I can wait a little longer for a price drop
@@yunusgokcen174FF16 is fun, but it's also got a lot of performance and stuttering issues that shouldn't be a thing for a game releasing for PC 1 year later.
@@yunusgokcen174 but my hype is gone and in my free time I play something different now (currently the new zelda and ff14). And like muffin said. Now I can wait longer and buy and play it for 30euro.
@@yunusgokcen174Yes there are plenty of other fun games.
The best final fantasy in the last 20 years was Dragon Quest 11
Top game, yeah.
100% agree. THAT is what we wanted, not just because it was turn-based. It was solid and fun.
I hate everything square enix made since 2010 except for 2 games
Star ocean 2 Remake & Dragon Quest 11
Dragon Quest has a completely different tone though. I want a darker tone. I want deeper themes. Dragon Quest was way too cutesy and positive
100% agreed
They sold their game exclusively on a console that was only sold to scalpers for nearly 2 years...Scalpers don't buy games. What did they expect?
Id buy rebirth on PC if they would ever put it there.
It'll come to PC next year seeing how quickly 16 came. So won't have to wait long.
That's a really good point regarding chip shortage/scalpers. You're already limiting sales to a single console but selling to a people that don't even own the console, can't get one or don't want one is obviously going to limit sales. PS5 also misses the mark but that's a different topic.
Didn't Sony just recently state that 50% of their base is still on PS4?
Edit: Found an article on Push Square's site that reported that of the 118M active PSN users, 59.3M are PS5 users, suggesting, yes, less than half of PlayStation owners have a PS4.
Talk about a shrinking market...
that what I was thinking too, there's a reason why some companies still make their games available on both ps4 &5. Sure it's nice to have the shorter loading speed or the graphic enhancement of the ps5, but that is not enough to make the ps4 obsolete to some people
IMO (not counting the console exclusive) they should have made a ps4 version for the game too
Not really an excuse the ps5 actually sold well it depends how many of them were final fantasy fans square has an obvious problem attracting younger fans to the franchise and the loyal fans who are much older have families and work alot and don't have the free time for big ass RPGs
DEAR SQUARE ENIX, PORT FINAL FANTASY GAMES TO MORE PLATFORMS ON DAY ONE!
Sincerely, even an idiot knows how to up sales.
Not only: censorships and remove action from the main numbering title.
Still waiting for Rebirth to be on Steam.....
Plus not everybody owns a PS5 Myself I’m my Xbox owner and steam guy
FF 16: Action Sells!
BG3: Did i miss the memo?
@@BargerClanbut why would you buy an Xbox if you’re a steam person? Seems redundant.
I wonder how their NFT initiative is doing.
Why so hung up about it? If you want more context, Japanese business world made SE obligated to mention them because it's an easy feather ruffle in that space.
Last I checked it was just a terrible point and click adventure.
@@ovum I was just wondering if it failed yet so I could laugh at it.
@@thejarredhog3936they already killed the initiative a long time ago dude
@@zavi3rz They sold Tomb Raider for that if I remember correctly.
Hope they feel stupid for that.
They can make a 10/10 dragon quest game but can't make a turn based new ff game.
Yeah but for FF at least whether stuff is localized to the West isn’t a coin flip.
I hate this company.
Doesn't make any sense. FF Sales is always >> DQ yet I never hear news about DQ sales doesn't meet expectations
I don’t give censored games a 10/10… I want my Toriyama troll lips back.
its been 10 years, get over it already.
They're not ever making a turn based FF again. Every interview transcript is them saying they hated turn based and it was a limitation of the technology at the time and they want to move away from it forever.
1:20 Squeenix 😂
Experinece as a FF Fan on PC:
1. Timed exclusive on an expensive platform that I have no interest in buying. Delaying PC release for 2 years+.
2. released on PC, and Epic will hold hostage for another 6-12 months.
3. Released on steam, the price is so high that I wait for sales. By then, forgotten about it or moved onto other games.
4.Finally get it on sale. Its a bit of a mess, its ok and other RPGs have surpassed it while waiting for FF on steam.
5. Next installment comes up, starting process over again.
6. PC gamers are now playing RPGs like Elden Ring and Balders Gate 3 made by companies actually care about their customers.
With all these delays, standards in games design and customers expect have substantial improved in meantime. Square has delivered an old game, then sqaure suits wonder why burned older FF fans on PC dont care about FF anymore.
Experience as FF fan on Xbox:
1. Wait for new release.
2. Die waiting because it's never getting released on Xbox.
Don't forget the clownfest of now not selling the game bundled with the DLC as FF16 did now. Every other PS4/PS5 release ported to PC sold only a complete version. FF16 is still selling the DLc at a premium on PC.
Don’t forget that you literally need to mod the game to make it playable unless you like single digit frames
@Spike2276 Considering how bad both XVI and Rebirth run on PS5, I wonder if a Series S port is even possible.
@@arkhe1n107😂pc players want everything free the game is already way cheaper on pc than ps5
Their expectations were inflated to try and make up for the giant flop they had prior to those. Forespoken. It's annoying that the other games have to pay for their dumb failure of a game
No they weren't watch the damn video
@@ausgod538 Video is wrong. Both FF7 Remake and FFXVI have sold far above their internal targets for huge profits, but SE's "Expectations" are based on them making up for multiple other failures. Not just Forespoken but MULTIPLE other failures in other sectors.
they need to stop releasing in exclusive on PS5, its killing their sales.
Wrong. The problem is Square-Enix investing too much in follies (NFTs, Live Service slop etc) and expecting two games to miraculously make up the difference in cost
To bad they dont think so aka why no more locked on 1 system 😂@@conor6436
Another problem is people still scalping PlayStation 5 sales. The very company itself wants to try to sell PlayStation 5 for $700 to $800 bucks. There are still a lot of people who cannot afford to buy a PlayStation 5 even when it was back at premiere pricing. I've got the money for it but I can't afford to spend it right now due to other concerns where my money should go.
@@conor6436 Then they should start releasing Final fantasy on xbox or on other consoles and pc as they gonna blunder it all and go bankrupt if nothing is done. Square enix cannot keep on going on these bad blunders and keep thinking that Final fantasy is gonna keep them alive.
also the reviews of FF16 , though good, dissappointed some FF RPG fans because it is more of an action game and while rebirth itself was good, some people who played the ff7 remake did not like the direction it was going as it was not a 1:1 remake from the original FF7 so they decided not to continue playing the sequel.
I’m a huge OG FF7 fan and I felt like Remake was too different specially with the storyline and certain parts was unnecessarily stretched out, I just wanted 1 whole game and not 3 separate ones, I have no interest in rebirth or the 3rd game.
No one cares, you're the minority. The problem is and always will be exclusivity.
ff7r felt so inconsistent some parts were great while other parts not so much and the not so "great" parts felt too dragged on (sewers etc) it's just a mess imo, like there's a great game in there but they're not putting the pieces together right feels jarring
@@shadow4040 completely agree, you see Sephiroth early on and then you fight him as the last boss in Remake which makes me feel fulfilled as the whole game is complete and don’t wanna play rebirth.
@@likeaboss1104well you’re doing yourself a huge disservice by not playing rebirth. Rebirth is far and beyond superior to remake and I think you’d enjoy it.
@@phillicus I feel fulfilled and complete, I beat Sephiroth, it’s really the end for me, I have no desire to play it again.
For a long time, I've felt like FF's lack of identity *is* it's identity. Every game tries to be different and unique.. for better or worse.
If you follow the same formula on every game like Assassin's Creed then it becomes boring. If you try to make a different game and introduce new mechanics per release you lack identity.
Seriously this generation of spoiled gamer brats is starting to annoy me.
and it still is. the FF games sold well. SE's expectations are based on the games somehow making up for all their multiple failures and terrible investments in other sectors. They are aiming for infinite profit margin growth and no game no matter how good or how well it sells can match up to that. Every person on the planet can buy it and next quarter their expectations will be for everyone to buy it 4 times.
Death stranding didn’t do as well as Kojima hoped but he still making death stranding 2.
Rebirth was my game of the year
I bet you in the long term many people will be talking about it.
I really, really want to buy FFVII Rebirth! I'm not buying a PS5 to play it though. I have both a pretty damn good PC and a Steam Deck sitting right there.
My heart bleeds
Ignore the first commenter, I agree don't buy a PS5 for one game though never going to be worth it.
Just wait a bit longer.
well you'll just have to wait next year dude
Same. Just waiting for it to come to PC. I have other things to occupy myself with in the meantime though.
Im not gonna buy a ps5 just to play the game...cant square get that?
No, it's our fault for not buying another overpriced console. Not theirs, for pointlessly limiting their customer base. It could 'never' be their fault, the onus is on us, naturally. It's our responsibility...no...our DUTY...to buy their scalped-to-hell-and-back console to be afforded the honour...no...the privilege of buying their games. It's our fault, we have failed them, as customers.
@@Blisterdude123bro it's been 4 years, no one is scalping PS5s anymore.
@@syed2694 Imagine thinking that's grounds for wasting several hundred dollars on a console that doesn't have games that aren't or won't be available on PC. All the money you waste on a console, you can put into a PC. If consoles didn't cost an arm and a leg and were futureproof, more people would buy them.
Get over yourself and use critical thinking for once in your life.
I don't even think the Switch could handle FF16
@@maverickrx8Okay...and playing on PC exclusively is signing your rights over to fully digital and I'm not doing that either.
Almost like it should be released on every platform at launch. Square does not benefit from being a PS exclusive.
The point is timed exclusive is main the problem because their real Fans " console players" and everyone else knew it gonna be on PC anyway
The fact PC player is not their market and why bother to sell it to them ,
Now they're getting what they deserve
Locking a game to a console with a low owner-base and a even lower player-base. Watering down an IP to something that no one really knows what to expect of. Managers being stupid.
And the thing is, despite being hobbled by that, both games still sold really well and far above their internal targets for a hefty profit. But SE wanted them to make ALL of the money because their expectations are based on the games making up for a dozen of SE's failures and terrible investments in other sectors
The entire claim is false though. Both games have sold well above their internal targets and made a huge profit. Despite being hindered by SE's terrible policies regarding console exclusivity and other related matters. SE's "expectations" are based on the games by their lonesome making up for the company's MULTIPLE failures in other sectors and losses from terrible investments. That is a ludicriously high bar, especially as SE have since shown they have learned NOTHING and are continuing to make the same mistakes while revealing plans to make repeat more of the exact same mistakes as if expecting a different result.
Yeah, the big thing is did the games sell enough to be profitable. If so, then see what can be done to cut the costs down and get rid of the projects and experiments that are a money sink, i.e. NFTs.
Wasn’t square unhappy about their sales since the tomb raider reboot ?
This! I can't remember the last time they launched a game that met their expectations. The problem is their expectations, not the sales.
let the kids play with their pitch forks,dont spoil their fun.
Its hot to shit on Sony,while the same people beging Sony to fund the FF7 Reboot/Remake since ps3.
A quick google search will tell you that for the past 10 years square is NEVER happy about anything.
That was the Former President used to say. But considering his bold face lies, his opinion doesn’t age well because it’s currently the best-selling game in the series. Crystal Dynamics would’ve been upset with Square’s President and should’ve walked away from the Square Enix acquisition of both Eidos Interactive (Now Eidos Montreal) and Crystal Dynamics. it’s simple: Square doesn’t like Western developers.
man they made the "did not meet expectations" when their games jumped from making low tens of millions to the higher end of HUNDREDS of millions.
These are months old bulshit claims that SE is repeating after waiting a while after they were laughed at for making the same claim before. Both games sold well above their average internal targets and made a huge profit. These "expectations" are from executives who intentionally stacked it higher and delusionally hoped both games would sell so much that it would make up for all the multiple other fuck ups and failures Square Enix has made in other sectors.
The first time they claimed that, that number would not have been reached even if every ps5 owner at the time would have bought FFXVI
yeah they were. Tomb raider actually sold twice as well as there FF games, yet they didn't sell well enough and they sold the ip. Nice choice there SE lol. There so stupid
Wow, who knew locking a highly anticipated sequel in a series that's been cross-platform for _years_ to a single console was gonna be a bad idea?
To be fair, most FF games were exclusive to one system for most of it's life. FF1-6 only on Nintendo and FF7-12 only on Playstation. Wasn't till 13 came out that it finally released on multiple consoles at the same time. That said, yeah, it would be smarter for them to just release them on as many platforms as possible.
@TruEdge68 counter point, games back then didn't cost tens if not now hundreds of millions of dollars to make and advertise.
@@TheBlargMarg AAAs are too damn big, the companies need to pull back the scale which would lower costs. Rebirth could have been out a year or more sooner if it wasn't for all the side stuff and mini games. Queens gambit was plenty. No nee for the frog jumping, Mr dolphin ir any of the other one of things that were put in to pad it out.
@@TruEdge68 And they sold for 3-5 millions each. ff6 sold 4 millions on sness and psone combined. Now even 10 millions is not enough for SE
It being exclusive is the least of its sales problem. It being garbage causes low sales.
How could that happens after they made FF7 remake, rebirth and FF16 Playstation exclusive? I'm shocked!
By the time they release on the other platforms, most people have already lost interest.
Its almost like putting out a game only on a over priced hard to get console is a bad idea.
Capcom sell 3-4 million copies of a new Resident Evil game: We're really happy! Thanks to all the players who supported us!
Square Enix sell 3-4 million copies of a new Final Fantasy game: 😭
How about stop making games 70 dollars :)
Nah how about stop making a fuckton of shitty gatchas and 1,000,000 spin offs
And also how about making certain games available in both PS5 and Xbox?
@@leonardofarias8843 ff15 was cross platform from the start. it sold well
Technically 130 the edition they want you to buy
If you can't afford to buy a game for $70, you shouldn't be spending $60 either
Stop making it exclusive, problem solved
Stop censoring and changing the formula of the franchise, thats the most important part too.
No OG final fantasy is always exclusive and it work
I think that censorships and that action stuff its a problem, its like i going to eat at McDonald and they give me a hot dog, maybe Fantasian will teach them a lesson.
@noriyukiwakabayashi4407 well yes that too
And if they just would manage their budgets better and not invest into poorly made games and then things that they never will release.
lol Their prices are out of this world on every single game. Pixel Remastered.... 70$+ Kingdom Hearts series that I bought ofr ps4 for 15$ they want 100+ for in digital ON THE CLOUD and I could keep listing them. They are fucking greedy.
In my honest opinion I think the excluisivty shit drastically affected sales from other platforms.
No one wants to wait for shit to come out for an arbitrary extra year. I feel like them slapping fans
in the face with that bs is why alot of ppl just never came back to buy it because the hype dies down
while having to wait so long.
That and Sony and Square Enix tend to release these console exclusive games onto PC as a buggy mess or having performance issues. By the time they are resolved, I pretty much just gave up and don't bother unless it's drastically marked down.
I think the quality simply isn't there. I never understood why FF16 got such high review scores. I think the game is mediocre. The world is tiny - you go back and forth between 4 locations with basically no exploration and nothing to discover. The combat is flashy but incredibly shallow (save 2 or 3 all the abilities just do damage - there's no way to control the battlefield, no significant ways to affect your character's performance in battle and since you have a single weapon type the variety isn't there either). The side missions are some of the worse in any game (not only in FF) and apart from the prologue and the last 2-3 hours the story isn't all that compelling either. I think a lot more people have a similar view of the game and word gets around.
As far as the second part of the FF7R goes - I think that game simply has too many issues with pacing and technical problems that it drives people away. I don't think the open-world segments do it any favours either.
I mean that's what they get releasing it years after when interest has gone down ...
I'm a good example where I was so excited to wait for ffxvi to come out for PC and honestly I was surprised that it released this month....
I actually forgot about the game lol
I wasn't even aware of it at all because I don't have a PS5 so don't pay attention to PS news.
I'll say it proudly 🗣FF should NOT be an exclusive!!!🗣
Considering the production costs nowadays, making a AAA title a timed exclusive for a console (in this case it was PS5) is not the best idea. FFXVI lost the momentum because of that.
Additionally I'm not interested in playing a game that has a very bad optimized port for PC and has even DENUVO in it to make it worse.
Dude can we get the mythbusters to do a benchmark on this? Some people will say it did absolutely nothing while others will claim it melted their PCs and killed their mothers in the process.
Their ethic departement its a problem among their action direction stuff lol
@@grayrodent8232It's hard to effectively test it. You can onpy see the effect of Denuvo on weaker pc's while the more powerful ones won't be effected.
Cannibalizing isn't it. 7-9 was over A few years. The problem is alienating fans by not having consistent gameplay.
Exactly. From 1-10, we got turn base turn or ATB and party system. From 11-16 we got inconsistent gameplay, no party and MMO...at this point noone knows what they will try next with 17
Thats bull. FF has always had different systems and setups for each numbered title. Its always experimented and shifted around in some significant manner. Be it mechanics or its story and setting.
The best FF games are on the SNES, PSX and PS2.
Yes. Final Fantasy IX is indeed the best.
Edit: Wait, forgot about Crisis Core.
And PC, ye forgot FFXIV
@@SlowRkerseveryone forget about Final Fantasy XIV 😂
I miss the job/class system the older games used. Tactics was FANTASTIC given its gameplay and is almost foreign in comparison to any other FF due to that. I never played the MMOs, but I also liked X and XII as bridges to the action style the current games are doing. Unfortunately, I remember XIII's being an oversimplified straight line path through level ups.
Imo Final Fantasy X-2 was the last decent mainline Final Fantasy game made. from 11 to current changed so much i has a longtime fan do not acknowledge them has cannon hell for that matter i don't even acknowledge them as Final Fantasy games.
They've tried so hard to make games for a Western audience, and it backfired. Meanwhile, Atlus has been kicking their asses for over a decade just by being themselves.
They appealed to Western fans with a game they locked to a platform that isn’t played as much over here, and wondered why the sales were down.
Setting aside how mixed Persona 3 Re was, you can't deny how good they have been doing lately.
This notion, they shouldn't appeal to a western audience, bruh, their biggest market IS THE WEST! Good look at their FY23 report for yourself and see how stupid of a comment that is.
But for a second, listen to what your asking for, appeal to what? An Eastern audience? That IS their problem! They make games with a eastern audience in mind, ship it off globally and, shocker, no one bites, or at least not enough do. It's that that's killing them off; you're a Japanese dev making a game for Japanese audience and thinking that Japanese deisgn is appealing globally.
It isn't and it hasn't for a while now.
Instead, maybe make your games for a GLOBAL audience! Have ideas and style that appeals to everyone. Do that homework and figure your shit out, because the same old same old, is boring.
@sharpester7277 atlus also doesn't spend nearly as much making their games though. All things considered though Sega did have to buy them to save them from bankruptcy. Its a different thing altogether.
Square is unfortunately padded with a bunch of directors that want to chase current trends instead of the mindset that final fantasy was built on. When final fantasy 9 it wasn't created with the mindset that it was going to push the limit of realism it was creates to be a fun enjoyable experience. During production sure the director had to deal with the death of his mother which effected some of the story directions. But the point wasn't to chase what was popular.
Turn based games are not something of the past, while I do like the ff7 reboot I am tired of the fact that final fantasy is being turned into this franchise that needs to pad out its story instead of creating enjoyable stories its just padding them out and making them long with simplistic mechanics that don't compliment and engage it. A long story isn't always a good one.
atlus hasnt been kicking their asses. P3R did not sell as much as ffxvi and that game was on multiple platforms
It doesn’t help that each installment takes forever to develop
Perhaps S-E should either create new IPs or work with all of the previous IPs they worked with during the snes-ps1 era that were also excellent (Parasite Eve, Chrono Trigger Xenogears) and bring new contents from those franchises instead of just focusing on the Final Fantasy series.
I feel like FF16, because they just flat cut out so many rpg systems and has really boring side content and super bosses only via dlc, it definitely was a game that A LOT of people just watched someone else playing through for the story experience instead of buying it themselves. At the end of the day, that was the only thing left in the game with all the shallow systems, which a FF usually innovates on.
For Rebirth: I know many people don't want to hear it, but it is just simply SUCH a divisive title. As a fan you either HATE it or love it after how the Remake ending turned out and how the beloved story was being changed... The Remake hype was carried by every FF fan under the sun and after it was done, there was fans abolishing the series completely. It shouldn't have been that alienating and stupid in (re)writing.
Add exclusivity and all that jazz on top and I simply can't imagine how you can be so delusional to think those entries would be instant smash successes.
I think the the issue is that Square is trying to milk Final Fantasy with very high expectations to make up for the bad performances of other games they published in recent years.
Baldur's Gate 3 and Persona 5 are proof that turn based games are not dead and people will play them if it is fun and engaging. And that's what Final Fantasy used to be: a fun and engaging turn based game. They can retain the original fans and capture new fans if Square makes Final Fantasy what it was best known for, and release them on all platforms day one, optimized.
Side note: I'm still waiting for a Final Fantasy Tactics remaster/port to Steam.
Yeah, can’t put that much weight on your mess ups in other IPs. They however take a long time for FF7 and KH3 development. It’s good, but needs to live up to it.
I think most enjoy the active combat these days which is done well compared to FF15. That was a yikes. 😬
Persona 5 is a bad example. It made money because it had a relatively low budget, making up for it with its stylish art direction. But sales wise it was still pretty niche.
Whenever Atlus talks about P5 sales numbers, they always include the sales of all spinoffs to show numbers that are at least close to the sales numbers expected from a AAA game. That's not exactly a good sign, specially considering there are like 3 or 4 P5 spinoff games depending on how you count. If P5 was really as successful as you say it is, it wouldn't need to do such a slide of hand.
The only way for Square is to severely reduce budgets for the FF series, with a severe downgrade in graphic quality and presentation. Which even leaving aside how humiliating that'd likely be for them, I don't believe for a second fans would accept that.
@@XanderVJ Or they could spend less time developing mini-games.
I'm one of the whackos that actually likes FF mini-games, but they do add a lot of them and i imagine that bit by bit the development cost for them starts to add up. Probably not signficantly enough to be a major factor, but still an area that's safe to cut some costs.
They didn't stick to origin of the game. I guess they wanted to expand and milk it. I felt betrayal by them. They have remaster normally from other game they did but they twisted later on and censer some content.
First of all making them exclusive at launch was always a terrible idea, second of all, I refuse to buy a 70 dollar game, and if I can't play it at launch for 60 I may as well wait until it's inevitably half price.
That what I think a lot of PC players are waiting for.
Maybe if Square Enix didnt held onto NFTs, they wouldve saw so much profit from those two Final Fantasy games... 🙄
Maybe bring back the map/traversal system from Final Fantasy 7 (the original), which may be cheaper. And maybe chibi characters. Some fans were disappointed by the FF7 "remake" being too different. (And DON'T censor.)
Split up and go back to being Squaresoft. Their RPG games back then were epic bar none.
Yes!!! i still remember the commercials with the girl voice whispering squaresoft.
Come to think of it, I wonder what if Square and Enix never merged.
Squaresoft was failing before they merged. Don't be stupid.
thats not how it works man. you cant just wish a company to be what it used to be, you have to move forward
as if the name itself meant something..
Expectations on movies and games are completely out of control.
In my opinion if the FF 7 remake had just been a straight remake and not a reimagining and just added some new fun things here and there a long with the new combat system but kept the original story completely without changing it or cutting Hugh chunks out I believe the game would have sold a ton better because that's what original FF 7 fans wanted in the first place and there are a whole lot more original FF 7 fans then there are new remake fans. When it comes to the story I believe that they took far too many liberties they changed too much of the original story that made it great and they made the mistake of putting in Kingdom Hearts plot points into the story and made a convoluted mess.
The new combat system is a core part of the problem to me. My nostalgia is for FF7 the JRPG, they thought they could sell me FF7 the bad DMC knockoff. The other half of the core problem is their butchering of the narrative of course. I'd have been overjoyed if they had merely _expanded_ on what they'd previously built; flesh out the world and the characters more, give us more side stories, that kind of thing. Instead they took a sledgehammer to the original, in many places desecrating a classic.
@@DarkFenix2k5 Um Final Fantasy 7 Remake is nothing like Devil May Cry.
@@staticshock4239 I'm just using DMC as a poster child for the hack 'n' slash genre. Squenix seem to have gotten tired of their original demographic and are trying to appeal to that one (unsuccessfully, judging by their sales numbers).
@@DarkFenix2k5 Final Fantasy XVI, I can understand the comparison. _FFVIIR, though?_ No. It's a hybrid system, a mix of real-time combat and turn-based strategy. Maybe, that's not what many Final Fantasy VII fans wanted, which is valid. However, don't use false equivalences to make your point, man. C'mon. Again, _Final Fantasy XVI_ should be directly compared to Devil May Cry, as the former lacks core RPG systems the series has been known for. Let's keep the facts straight and not muddy the discussion. 👍
You can thank the lead director…we all know what he’s about outside of good character designs. If KH has taught us anything it’s that he loves to experiment. 😅
From what I've seen over the years here's Square Enix's biggest problems in no particular order.
Blowing their budgets out of control with extravagant graphics while letting the writing quality drop like the Sector Seven plate since FF12 or 10-2.
The focus on graphics causing development time to grow out of control while neglecting releasing smaller games to fill in the gaps.
The fallout of FF13 and its sequels, Lighting Returns is one of the biggest disasters in the history of the franchise, selling even less than the original Final Fantasy and the series has yet to recover from the Fabula Nova Crystalis' disastrous sales.
The quality of the writing, just look at the 13's and Forespoken. (And to some extent Kingdom Hearts but in that game's case it at least knows it's dumb and rolls with it while 13 and Forespoken took themselves waaaay to seriously.)
Any of the I.P's that Square could have used to fill out the gaps in time between the tentpole releases got sold off for NFT magic beans.
Square Enix's mobile gatcha games and greedy ass price gouging driving their PR and rep with fans down the toilet.
Anything else I'm missing?
I see there's people here saying console exclusivity didn't hurt Final Fantasy in "the good 'ol days." That's because in the 1990s and early 2000s, the Playstation 1 and 2 were clear and dominant consoles (I'm saying this as an old Sega fan) in their heyday. Wikipedia actually has an interesting page on "List of best-selling game consoles." The access to players between Sega, Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony console bases were not anywhere close and it favored Sony. Playstation 2 was and still is the biggest selling console EVER. This was why FF exclusive to the Sony consoles in the 90s and early 2000s never hurt the franchise.
Playstation 1 (1994) had 102.4 million units sold . The Sega Saturn (1994) 9.2 million units. Nintendo 64 (1996) had 32.9 million units. These were the big 3 consoles of the mid and rest of the 1990s and the competition wasn't even close. PS1 dominated.
Sony's domination would be clearer with the early Playstation 2 (2000), which still holds the record for most unit sales at more than 155 million units sold. Sega Dreamcast (1998) sold 9.3 million units. This was terrible considering the Dreamcast beat the Playstation 2 to the market by two years. This was where Sega threw in the towel in the console wars. Nintendo Game Cube (2001) 21.7 million units. Microsoft XBox (2001) had 24 million.
Through these periods Square's FF franchise was synonymous with Sony. Yeah, stuff like FF7 and FF8 came to other consoles, but only years after the primary release. With Sony having so many players for their consoles, Square could tap into the biggest console base possible.
Today? Playstation 5 so far has sold 61.7 million units and has been out since 2020. Microsoft's XBox Series X/S have 28.3 million units sold. MS has thrown in the towel recently for the console wars. These numbers as a whole are pathetic compared to how consoles sold more during the 1990s and 2000s, even for Sony.
In today's gaming, if you're making an expensive AAA game and you're limiting by platforms, you're only hurting yourself. The consoles of today are not widespread like the "Good 'ol days" of consoles.
I’ve heard several people say they would be down for a 2D HD remake of FF6. Why not just do more like that?
Honestly find it insane that live a live got an hd remake before any final fantasy game
Because those people would be the only ones buying it, lol
one of the original teams for that game said it would take more years than what the original deadline of the SNES
@@valletas Thats because its original director was pushing for a remake for a long time.
I am worried about them touching anymore of my memories. FF6 is a very specialgame for me and the best FF in my book. They would definatly wokify the game and change the story. Just like they did with remake. I dont want them to do that.
I don't really think the problem is just sony
Pepole don't talk much about ff like they do about other new games and i don't know why
Its great tho
I kinda feel there are different factors but thedeal was that Final Fantasy lost the prestige they had once held for years
Because gamers take their favorite franchises for granted. They think it's always going to be around and they can just nit pick every little detail endlessly because no matter what they will make another one. The problem is they are essentially communicating to these studio's that they dont want this anymore. They will ruin their own desires. In 10 years they will be asking themselves why they stopped making Final Fantasy games.
I think Square Enix also contributes to the problem. They have console exclusives AND yet still have unreasonably high expectations for their games
Burnt out. Final Fantasy Tactics is my all time favorite game followed by FF8 and FF7. Over the years I've become jaded. I played FF7 Remake and it was meh to me. I had no interest in playing Rebirth after that. I'm a long time fan and I just don't care to play any more Final Fantasy games.
@@Lithenius I think putting the blame on the players is kinda silly, to be honest, and implies that loyalty to a series is more important than the developers of the series actually making games you want to play.
It's not "fans" who are at fault if a game series stops appealing to them, so they stop buying it, and it dies: it's the devs (likely the suits behind them to be fair) who make the choices that lead to the fans losing enthusiasm.
Literally the only tool that works for "consumers" to alter markets is to vote with our wallets. Buying games we don't like out of brand loyalty just tells companies it's okay to exploit us and ignore what we want, because they're certainly not concerned about forum posts or UA-cam comments.
Square Enix needs to stop making all their games PS5 exclusive at launch. That console was heavily scalped and went through a chip shortage and Final Fantasy fans are mostly on PC now where their main MMO is, and on top of all that console sales are in huge decline in Japan. Whatever Sony is paying them isn't enough.
Yeah, me and my stepbrother waited at least two years to get one because we weren't paying scalper prices. He was a console-only gamer before the PS5 debacle. Eventually he got a PC, ironically spending more than the PS5 costs, and just started gaming there. Now he has no interest in a PS5 even though prices dropped and I can't blame him. They really messed up with ninth gen, now everyone PC games.
The FF series definitely has an identity crisis. Square Enix should just stop taking risks and just make good games just like what Team Asano (Developers of Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D Remake, and many more games), and the Dragon Quest team have been doing. Making great games that fans want and that stays true to their Japanese gameplay roots. This whole thing for the higher ups at Square (Nomura and Yoshi-P) of taking risks, chasing trends, westernizing their games, these ugly photorealistic graphics, them wanting to push the limits of technology, their insane development budgets, these unrealistic expectations, and them just milking FF7 is why Square is struggling and the games are failing. The reason for FF7R and FF16's failure is one because it's exclusive to PS. Square being yanked by the neck by Sony's dog leash every time. But also because they're not selling well in Japan and no one cares about FF and what the series has become. They keep catering to the wrong type of audience that don't even play those games. Not only that, but Square keeps ignoring Nintendo's success especially in Japan with the Switch. Square Enix should learn from developer MonolithSoft (Developers of Xenoblade). It's like Square completely ignores the success of their earlier FF games (FF1 - FF6, FF9 and FF10) and games like Dragon Quest, Pokemon, Octopath Traveler, Persona, Sea of Stars, Super Mario RPG Remake, even Yakuza Like A Dragon to some extent, and why fans especially fans in Japan like those games and what made them fun.
PlayerEssence explained things in his recent video and he is absolutely right with what he was talking about.
Haven't played anything since 13, the 14 MMO isn't my thing. But from what I saw 15 and 16 were final fantasy in terms of brand, visuals, oddness, and gameplay even if it diverged too far for the taste of most older fans, and not many major complaints about the story.
But also nothing... noteworthy. No one was ever raving about 15 or 16 for long, none of the characters reached out to be memorable enough to capture the fanbase.
And the big one for many like me is because they had so much of the series identity reduced to.. a boy outing. For some god forsaken reason some higher ups genuinely thought that the diversity of interesting characters and strong women among the main characters was the reason 13 was badly received. And since then all we get is pretty boys, and bigger pretty men.
I kinda lost the "fantasy" reason to play, I liked having women in the main group to live through, or at least some weird robots or animals.
I will give Nintendo this. At least with a lot of their franchises, they tend to be generally more consistent.
Yeah, consistent as a smooth turd.
Minus sports titles and Pokemon, of course.
Consistent in suing everything with a pulse?
Imagine if Nintendo releases the next 3D The Legend of Zelda game, called "The Legend of Zelda: Ball of the Future" and it was a soccer simulator, meanwhile saying that soccer is the future for the series
Final fantasy has jumped the shark for me. I loved the old ff games i played, and liked up to 13.
I absolutely want to love the 7 redo... but it really struck me that i haven't been able to finish 7 remake.
I just kind of lose interest a bunch of hours in and by then another game I'm more interested in comes out (baldurs gate etc) so i pause and when i try to come back it's like... I'm not having as much fun as i had with the og ff7 even though i actually liked the new story and characterization more.
I loved 7 so much i absolutely w washed to like the redo but... if rather play the old game.
If they'd updated the graphics and expanded the story and kept the old mechanics and world... i wonder what the sales would have been?
It's not like i don't enjoy action games, i love nier automata, elden ring, dragons dogma, etc, but FF doesn't hit that action sweet spot for me nor does it give me the og vibes i one loved so instead it's just... mid.
sounds like exclusive issues
Should of made it for PS4 and PS5, Final Fantasy 16 feels like Devil May Cry and Final Fantasy 7 feel like FF 8 with all this time stuff, I think fans really wanna play Final Fantasy 6 remake as well.
I’d rather buy Bravely Default II or Octopath Traveler II now than a Final Fantasy game. I have no attachment or nostalgia for the Final Fantasy franchise, as I only played Dragon Quest VII, VIII, IX (3DS), and XI (PC) as an adult.
The original FF7 is easily one of my top games of all time. But the remake and rebirth I just can't get into. I don't like the "ghosts of time" or whatever the hell they are supposed to be and the alternate timeline.
We waited over a decade for a remake, and got a different game.
Its just not been the same since it became action based and not turn based.
I miss turn based final fantasy.
At least there's always Dragon Quest
@@gligarguy4010 Yes and thus highlight another issue, when Dragon quest feels more like final fantasy than actual final fantasy you know you done fucked up. DQXI is a fantastic game that keeps turn based elements but modifies how encounters are handled in the right way. Yes i get that random encounters are not really a thing for RPG's anymore but at least DQXI balanced things by staying modern while retaining what made the dragon quest series so good.
@@themadoneplays7842 sounds like your problem kid
@@fredy2041 Look I am all favor of trying new things but Final fantasy had a great battle mechanic that improved upon the turn based system over time. While FF I-V had a more dragon quest like turn based system FFV and up evolved the formula into something far better.
I actually like action-based when I heard the final fantasy series went to it I was excited about it but then I found out it wasn't multiplayer or even co-op I know I'm not the typical fan from the series I'm somebody from the outside that looked at it and recognized it was polished cared to give it a try But had different standards
Stop backing Sony they dgaf about you the consumer
No corporation cares about the consumer
@@Purpletridentyeah but I hope Sony specifically goes broke
@@AGenerousLoveWhy?
@@ApexCalibre I’m a Nintendo supremacist
Yea ponies are just annoying
The fact that FF7R wasn't groundbreaking since the start was a clear sign those "expectations" were not going to be met. And dont even make me start with that atrocity that is CC remake... What a waste.
I just feel like pretty much all of their FF games since FFX feel like '' FF themed games'' instead of FF games, they just use their legacy as props and think that is all it takes to make a FF game.
They should take a page from Yakuza and make their own Final Fantasy Gaiden series for ARPGs and stick to classic gameplay for mainline
Remember SquareEnix came out to the press & stated they would always support Sony 1st.
You know why SquareEnix is on Sonys balls all the time? Its because of FF7 on PS1 how Sony supported Square after the Nin breakup.
Ever since that, Square always made sure their relationship was no.1 all the time. They devoted their soul & worship Sony to the max all because of how the OG FF7 took off.
To this day there are still 3rd party companies that do not want to give all the support to Microsoft or Nin in favorable to do more for Sony because they have that secret bond they formed in the mid 90s.
SquareEnix & others get what they get for the mindset they laid out through the decades & its going to get worse.
Square actually broke their partnership with Sony because Sony was pressuring Square to make significant changes to Final Fantasy VII. It did last for a few years, but they did break up before the PS3 era. Since the break up, Square Enix has been relying on Pole to Win to market their game for them. For the original, Square didn't give in, which is why we got the original Honey Bee Inn sequence. But for the Remake, Square did give in, which is why you have the new Honey Bee sequence.
I think they finally got the memo that's no longer the 90's and that Sony is never gonna had the same install base they managed to had with the PS2.
FFXIV got ported to Xbox early this year, FFXVI recently got a PC release and it's implied it will also get ported to Xbox, despite the game's director stating multiple times that it would not leave the PS5.
The only one left is Rebirth and what's weird is that from thee get go they stated it was gonna be a temporary exclusive even the marketing states that it would remain that way until May but for some reason the didn't have a PC port by then.
I'm pretty sure the reason they swapped to Sony was just disc space. They had no issues with Nintendo itself, it just had too little space to make good games in 3D. But Nintendo had an issue with developers leaving for a better platform, because they felt like it was more honorable to stay with inferior products to show how important their bond is.
While I'm sure Square worry about avoiding such fallouts now, it was still all on Nintendo really and nothing wrong with what Square was doing. All they need to do now is to sell on all platforms because it is better for them, and hope Sony understands and aren't throwing a fit like Nintendo.
@@linusgustafsson2629 Nintendo ran a monopoly on their cartridges back in the day and is why many avoided the N64 like the plague when it was released. Things only got better on that end during the DS era.
I want to buy rebirth and 16. Im waiting for PC release. I have a PS5
16 is now ported to pc on steam !
@@Peachy_crow oh nice
Surprised you didn’t know 16 just came out on PC a few days ago. I get bombarded with UA-cam ads for it lol
@@extra4542 You are lucky, Barely any ads for it. I own ps5 and I waited for a pc port a well. Ps5 is just awful console
Do yourself a favour and try the demo of FF16 before throwing any money at them (it's literally the game's first chapter, and the save file will carry over if you decide to buy).
The gameplay is frankly awful. And while the voice acting is good, the writing is painfully shallow and predictable (even by FF standards).
Idgaf just give me the third ff7 remake and square can sell off the brand or whatever.
Ever since I discovered the Trails series I've had no desire to go back to playing Final Fantasy. Side note, I think I saw Yong Yea's name in Reverie's credits, much to my pleasant surprise.
Is that series really that good? I'm hearing more and more people talking about Trails series.
@@kevinramirez3134 Makes sense, as the whole series so far has finally been translated for Western audiences, when for the longest time it was only in Japanese. It's hard to put it into a single comment, but the main contrast with Final Fantasy is that each Trails game is in a continuous story arc and has maintained its identity, while Final Fantasy rarely has actual sequels or continuations, and when it does, they aren't really good (though my only experience with that is Final Fantasy X-2).
Same there are too many good turn-based games out there to play the action RPG slop that SE has been producing for the last 10 years. You can literally see the Trails series getting more popular as the releases get closer and closer despite a lot of text needing to be translated from japanese into english.
Same goes for Persona/SMT
Meh, bringing your game exclusively to one platform is good for one bonus, but you lack the momentum to be succesful on other platforms. Who'd 've tunk? Plus Rebirth is still PS exclusive.
You released the game only on 1 console why are you so surprised
i feel like it doesn't help that most new games now cost $70 id rather just wait a bit till there's a sale imo
Outside of FFXIV and the first FFVII Remake, I personally stopped liking the games after FFX. 12 was.....ok'ish. Didn't like the 13 series. Hated both 15 and 16 so much that I permanently dropped them. At this point, there is no redemption or coming back as far as myself buying or playing any other new FF game.
I loved FFX. I would in theory like FFX-2 but the moment they give you infinite options instead of a linear story, I just get confused and can't choose what to do.
They have pulled a bungie. What I mean by that is they made enough money but they invest in really stupid projects that never come out and they waste the money,
If they want to keep doing the stupid projects that never come out they need to not be exclusive to PlayStation. But if they were smart they also wouldn't be doing the stupid projects.
They should complete the story FF7R first rather than spending much time on side quests and mini games on the Rebirth. It seems we get a FF7 Mini Games Collection with bonus of 2nd part of story
I was excited to jump into FF7 when they announced a remake - until I saw they were splitting one game into three. I will never play them until the third game comes out...
thats what many say.... i bet Square will release a big FF7 Remake Collection
For Square the timed exclusives is the biggest hit. Console exclusives arn't really a thing now with Nintendo being the only hold-out and with the level of saturation of games of all genres we have now by the time a console exclusive game comes out on PC there has already been several games which have been out during that exclusive period which scratch that itch.
The other part is the identity. Yeah there are simularities within each games (Names and looks of the summons, character names etc) but those don't resonate as much as say gameplay style. As Yong said You can reconise a FromSoft game because of its staples, the big one being the gameplay. with an every shifting gameplay there is the risk of losing fans because the franchise switches genre completly and not leaving an alternitive (EG, How Yakuza changed to turn based but has the Judgement Series as a replacement to the Beat-em-up Yakuzas)
I think Square would benefit to keeping the mainline Final Fantasy games (Sans MMOS) to the older turnbased gameplay style ala 7 - 12 and do something similar to Dissidia for their more experimental playstyle: Have those more experimental/ alternitive playstyle games in their own separate Final Fantasy series, connected by name but clearly different in customer expectations
Square Enix Butchers their game releases every single time.
They make their games exclusive for 1-2 years on a platform, then release them to PC, with bad performance, DRM, and high prices.
I would love to buy FF16 but the damn game has Denuvo.
I liked the demo, but I don't Support DRM, so I will get the game on Sale in 6 months.
I waited more than a year so might as well wait a little longer.
Square just keeps shooting themselves in the foot...with a shotgun and then blames us for low sales, idiots.
Square "If each person living on Earth doesn't buy at least 3 copies, this will be a catastrophic loss!" Enix.
Their sales expectations have been utterly ludicrous in the past few years, and they aren't helping themselves at all with their exclusivity nonsense.
"FF fails to meet Squenix expectations" is a video title that Yong probably has on CTRL+C CTRL+V for whenever Square launches a new FF game and invariably say it failed to meet expectations.
I stopped playing at 13. The gameplay just went too off the rails for me.
The FF7R Demo confirmed that this series is long past its prime to me.
I've played every FF up until 13 (11 didn't play though) at least twice with 12 being kind of its own case, but haven't played more than once F13 and none any of the later entries. It's just too much different from the series I fell in love with in the 90s and mid 2000s.
FF7 is one game. Why is the hd remake broken into multiple games
Because then SquareEnix can charge you multiple times!💸
Because the remakes are essentially different games
Not defending it but the original was a 3 disc game😅 still should have made all 3 so they could release them within a shorter time😅
Right, some things to note about them separately for why both games are struggling to attract new audiences.
For FFXVI, new action games are actually a much more harder sell for people than most will realize as it's quite a barrier to entry as there's quite a high level of expectations that only the very skilled can determine if it gets right or not, so many newcomers will be hesitant to touch it unless it's from a series with a pretty strong pedigree that know they could trust (SoulsBorne, CoD, AC, MH Yakuza ect). It's why turn based stuff is on the rise as that's less taxing on the player to get use to it.
Also FFXVI's pre-release hype was riding on the tailcoats of CU3's strong reputation and many was hoping it'll live up to FFXIV's own stella status, however that ended up not being the case, that while it was not overtly negative the general consensus was that it's "the team's weakest work yet" Which would definitely put off a lot of people from trying it.
For FFXVI Rebirth's problems, it's quite simply the matter of that sequels tend to fall behind than it's predecessors, a lot of the hype of Remake was because it rode on the hype of it being a highly anticipated highly requested remake of a famous game. So with Rebirth, people knew what they were expecting so they were less (but not devoid of) hyped for it. Plus partly related but is like what you said about it being more of a new-time than a one-to-one retelling, it pretty much requires those who played the original to get better understanding of what's going on in this new continuity, and that is definitely going to be quite uninviting for newcomers.
Also this is starting to dawn on me, but I'm now of the belief that people like myself who prefer to wait until the trilogy is completed, might be a more significant number of people than I realized. Something Square really should of considered.
Overall that yeah I hate to admit, sans FFXIV, the Final Fantasy series is in a sorry state right now which is a cause for concern for the company's future...
Personally speaking, I hope that Expedition 33 & Metaphor does really well to convince Square to go back to its actually safer roots and (as doubtful this is) to take the L by just admitting to their investors that Final Fantasy was never really a big mega franchise to begin with, and that going for huge production values for a RPG just isn't gonna cut it.
But we'll wait and see what the future actually holds.
Name a better duo than Square Enix + "Did not meet expectation".
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But to answer the title:
> Intentionally and exclusively releases the game only for PS.
>"Sales did not meet expectation..."
No shizz, PC market are wayyyyy more expansive than what consoles can be nowadays. SE is limiting themselves by releasing it console-exclusives. I'm pretty sure they can see where the problem is and what's the solution here, it's just that them execs are thick-headed to cling on to traditional ways of releasing games.
Who knew that taking one game, breaking it up into multiple pieces, charging full price for each piece, and taking like a decade to release all of them would turn people off. SMH…
Keep releasing games in PS only.
Its almost like taking a great classic, fans asking for a remaster and getting a remake instead that completely throws out everything people loved about it and alienates the fans wasn't the way to go.... hmmm not sure how that didn't work..... lmao
I still get ptsd from the changes in the story😅 combat though was excellent they should stick to that now. But changing the classic story is taking me away, have 0 interrest in rebirth after i saw the change in remake😅
5:33 I severely doubt that 'the only people buying the FF games now are crusties'. All of the crusties that I know, myself included, are extremely pissed-off by the direction the series has gone in.
Remake got a huge nostalgia-based sales boost simply by virtue of what is was, (or at least was _purporting_ to be) that's clear, but otherwise, nah.
The reality is S-E has alienated and lost what should have been its core consumers because of two decades of underperformance of the single-player games. The core FF player these days is a FFXIV player who might dabble a bit in the single player games. The series has no core single player base.
Pretty much this. The last mainline FF i bought was XIII, the last FF i played was World of Final Fantasy which despite it´s flaws was a great call back to older FF titles. I haven´t enjoyed a mainline FF since X that came out over 20 years ago. Square has been chasing the western RPG and Normie crowd so hard that they alienated their original fans who like their games turn-based or some kind of ATB. The crowd is still there they just went on to play other games like Persona/SMT or the Trails-series because despite what SE might think graphics aren´t everything if the rest of your games feel hollow and unpolished.
You have an entire year for people physically unable to play the game, and who will probably watch a playthough then will never buy it themselves. Exclusivity hurts games.
Crazy idea but dont split up a game that was one complete game into 3 seperate games that takes 10 years to finish...want to play the games but see no point if i cant see the whole story (shrug)
I understand where you’re coming from but it would not be possible to recreate FF7 in modern standards with only one game. For example, when you would play old FF games you could walk around the entire map in just a few minutes. Cities were tiny dots on the map smaller than your character until you walked to them and loaded in. You cannot recreate all of that on a more realistic scale all within 1 game.
This.
I will wait for the whole series to be released so I can buy the whole package.
I get what you're saying but you are misunderstanding what they are doing. Not your fault, blame it on marketing or whatever, but trust me as someone who has finished both parts I can tell you both are fully fleshed out stories and experiences. They are full games, not one third of a game at all.
The original FF7 was on 3 discs......
@@CestJordan 3 discs does not equal 3 games.
As a final fantasy fan. Final fantasy 16 never even appealed to me. It looks to much like a qte devil may cry game more than a final fantasy game.
not having a proper party system in a ff game just doesn't appeal to me (also don't like the way it looks idk something feels missing or the way they talk)
Resident Evil 2/4 is the playbook on how to remake a classic game
FF7 Remake/Rebirth is the playbook on how not to
I thought the Resident Evil 3 remake was way better than the Final Fantasy VII remake. Yeah the game was too short with too much cut content but it still felt like Resident Evil to me.
@@gokux75Ehhh, RE3 was good, but made me feel ripped off in content. FF7 Remake was stunning, but split the audience in storyline.
no, Rebirth is actually the best FF game since 2006's XII
Wrong. Rebirth is scoring extremely highly. Its just SEs unrealistic expectations and PS exclusivity
I started to lose faith in "final fantasy" when they started putting out only half a game, anouncing that they'd finish it with expansions and DLC. Then when they canceled the DLC, and hid the actual ending of the game in a book... well...
yeah the DLC nonsense is annoying, story games don't suit DLC well unless like in Mass Effect the DLC content happens BEFORE the ending
I was super excited about the FF7 Remake until I found out they changed the story, didn't buy it.
I was super excited about FFXVI.. until I found out they completely changed the genre (If I wanted Devil May Cry, I'll play Devil May Cry), so I didn't buy it.
I have bought every Final Fantasy from 1 to 15. Every single one. Look at how Larian studios are praised, that use to be Square!
Final Fantasy was always a complete package, role playing game.
FF13-2 ended on a "to be continued" with no real ending. The first time I felt slighted.
FF15 literally had characters disappear for important story beats and come back being like "Oh don't worry about that, it'll be in the DLC wink wink". The second time I felt slighted
FF7 Remake spat on the old fans. We just wanted FF7. That's it!
And FF16 isn't even a role playing game anymore. It's a DmC game with a rpg skin.
They've pushed every super loyal old fan away and the young people flock to defend it because they don't know any better by todays standards.
Bring back turn based, or turn based-like (ATB System, ect). There are hordes of action games that do it so much better, we don't need final fantasy to crappier version of them.
THANK YOU!
"BuT AcTioN iS ThE FuTAAAHHH"
Tried the FF16 Demo and it was 90% cutscenes, 5% button mash combat and 5% Quick Time Events. No thanks.
Sounds like you were on Super Easy Mode that was ment for game journalist
The two FF MMOs are still doing well. Despite it's age, FF11 has a consistent and dedicated subscriber base that actually wound up funding the development of FF14. In fact, SE tried to use 14 to kill 11 but 11's community said "fuck you too, buddy" and kept on trucking. 11 is still going even now and is highly suggested. Just don't expect the theme park thrills you'd find in 14. 11 is a pre-cash shop game, and very much a product of it's time.
As someone who has a PS5 and have played a lot of old FF games, the problem for me is the writing in all honesty. FF7 is my fav game of all time. The original, not the remake. And while I enjoy the gameplay, the writing and the world is what got me hooked. But as the presentation of the games get better I expect more from them. An old rpg with blocky graphics and goofy characters, the goofy dialogue comes across different and doesn't bother me. But in FF7 remake so much of it is so cringy. I'll prolly get FF7 rebirth and ff16 eventually for cheap in my local used game store, but I'm in no hurry to spend 70 dollars on them....
Ff16 combate is fucking trash and we already have a kingdom hearts, we don't need ff7 rebirth