Adding an 🔌outlet to a kitchen peninsula or Island 🙄 (complete install)
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2022
- Adding an outlet to a kitchen island or peninsula can be a little challenging if you've never done one before 🤔.
I hope this video will help you in becoming more successful on your install process. I'm a master electrician on Maryland's Eastern Shore. Currently working under the 2017 NEC code to complete this job. This video is a complete install of an outlet into a kitchen peninsula. Please feel free to fast forward through parts of the video to find the steps you need help with. Comments and questions, please leave at the bottom. I try my best to answer all of them. If you thought this video was helpful and informative in any way please crush 👍 and consider subscribing to my channel for more videos on things electricians do. May God bless you all 🙏and thanks again for watching.👍👍
Not only did he provide a very detailed instructional video, he is also very detailed and knowledgeable with the codes! Job well done man!!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Thank you for all the detail in the video!!
I am a cabinet installer and also a handyman that does projects like this. You are the most conciencious electrician I have seen. Not only did you care for the electrical installation but also the cuts in the cabinet. Can't tell you how many times I have had to go in and reskin a cabinet back or side panel or floor because some careless plumber or electrician didn't care about anything but their installation. I have also seen bad cabinet installers do poor cuts in cabinets to allow for existing pipes or outlets so I know it goes both ways. I appreciate your craftsmanship. Well done on the video too. NEC 2023 actually now does not require an outlet in peninsulas or islands. They are also suggesting installing pop-ups in countertops if customer still wants an outlet. They have seen enough kids and adults walk by a plugged in hot plate or coffee pot, catch the cord and pull the small appliance down resulting in burns.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate the compliment. Your right about the code changes for 2023. Maryland is stuck on the 2017 codes lol...
excellent instructions. This guy knows what he is doing! Great teacher!
Excellent presentation and instruction. You could be a teacher.
I appreciate you posting the whole process for this. I'm a contractor and appreciate you going from start to finish.
Thank you for watching and commenting. I appreciate it 👍🏻
Well done
Excellent!!!
YOU no longer are required to install a receptacle in any islands by latest NEC. reason is too many kids & adults have got hung up on cords and caused mixers, crock pots, etc falling onto them. You must install wire to a box inside of island for future receptacle. Best practice would be to either install a pop up receptacle or fancy angled box on top.of island top. In my area you are not permitted to use flimsy ty rab sticky backed bases to secure anything but LOW voltage class 2 wires. Never allowed to use the double sided tape on plastic wire mold to use on 120 volt conductors. Must use screws.
Maryland is still on the 2017 code. I've recently heard about the island and peninsula outlets requirements for the 2023 code. Thanks for letting me know 😉
@@workingmanrondoyle3287 you will have a lot of fun when you move to 2020. Lots of receptacles required (based on SQFT). I hope your jurisdiction amends that section of the code. Then comes 2023, no receptacles required. None at all. I donno what they are smoking there at NFPA but it must cause them hyperactivity disorder. 2023 requires to bring power inside for future install though. That probably means they are probably going to make pop up receptacles mandatory going forward. I agree that there should be no receptacles on the sides of the islands. Super easy safety hazard. Pop-ups are expensive and requires drilling on the counter. Hope they will not change their mind again in 2026.
Nice work on the install. You should look at getting a DJI action cam or DJI osmo for filming. You would really appreciate how easy it made making a video.
Excellent work.
Definitely learned a few things from this video. As a DIY’er, I appreciate any knowledge, tips and recommendations I can get from those that do this job and have a wealth of experience. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Very helpful, Thanks.
Thanks for a well done explanation
Another great job your work is top notch and very informative.you show what it means to be a professional. 👍
Thanks so much man, have a loose one of these in a peninsula and wanted to figure out what a install looks like before I start disassembling. Guessing they didn't screw it in...
Nice video, one thing I do when laying out boxes on surfaces I don’t want to Nick up. I use blue painters tape. Lay all your marks out with a sharpie, cut and pull it off when you’re done. Works really well. You can do the tape trick on laying out panels and pullboxes
Normally I don’t like watching any video over five minutes… I really enjoyed yours… Good work
Neat workmanship
Thanks for the compliment Ray Corbo. I appreciate you hanging in there with me, watching 👍👍!
I trying to make videos as short as possible.
I struggle with that trying to get all the details in. Thanks again bud.
Love my milwalkee plyers
Nice, thorough, and clean. Nice work!👍
Thanks Christopher, I appreciate the compliment and you watching 👍🏻
That isn't a code requirement for the neutral side to be facing up when recept is horizontal. It doesn't hurt to do it that way, though.
Great video. Code tips and easy steps were very helpful.
Thanks for watching and commenting William 👍☺️
I appreciate you.
Well done. So many useful tips within this video.
Thanks Rob. I appreciate the compliment 👍 and you watching. Happy new years to you and your family. 🎉
Great video! Grabbed a couple of tips for an outlet I'm installing this week. Thanks!
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏻. I'm glad the video helped you.
SIr that was absolutely amazing!!! If didn’t know about clipping the ends of the receptacle to make it fit that particular type of box and I thank you for that great gem.
Thank you for commenting and watching the video, Mona'e Williams. I greatly appreciate you. I'm glad you liked it ❤️
Man I think this video because I am doing my cabinets at this time I’m finished now I need to do the electrical and this help me so much I appreciate you I learned a lot with this video thanks
Thanks for watching 👍 I'm glad, I could help 😊
Great job!
Thanks for watching 👍🏻 I appreciate you.
Wrapping all live screws with electrical tape is a good idea.
Great video; thanks for sharing. I thought you said a GFCI/API outlet was needed, but that didn't look like one, but maybe I just couldn't see it.
Thanks for watching and commenting. All kitchen outlets here in the US have to be AFCI & GFCI protected. I prefer to install a combination breaker in the panel.
Great video, very informative. Congrats on passing 1k subs. Content always wins!
Thank you Kevin. I thought I would never get there. Watching the count go up each and every day was inspiring to see. Thanks again for watching 👍
Very detailed, easily understood, & informative video, thank you! I learned a lot about the mistakes my contractor made installing my kitchen island & electrical. As a women I enjoy these types of videos so that when someone tries to feed me a load of a baloney about the way they’re installing or repairing anything at my house I can confidently call them out & intelligently explain how they’re wrong & also to make sure they aren’t cutting corners & doing the job half-a$$.
Thanks for watching Chelsea. I glad you liked the video ❤️
Seems like it would have been a lot easier to feed the wire up through the cabinet floor BEFORE installing the conduit. Feeding the wire up through the floor would have been much easier with no binding up and then the wire could have been inserted into the conduit. Then the conduit could have been been zip tied in place.
great job, thank you. would be interested in how you'd do this with a finished basement with a ceiling instead of a crawl space!
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I appreciate it 👍👍
In a basement installation, most electricians would rough in ¾" pvc conduit before the floor is poured. And finish up the wire pulling during the trim out phase with a UF or single strand Thhw type of wire.
If the house is pre-existing as in old work, you could hide the wiring in a false column (floor to ceiling) or ceiling to the top of your island.
If I ever get the opportunity to do this installation, I'll definitely film it and post to UA-cam.
Are you related to the “hawk toah” girl? 🤣
We always just junction underneath the island or peninsula. Then bring a mc cable up to a metal old work due to the fact its always exposed.
Thanks for watching and commenting Zachary. That's definitely a great way to do it 👍👍
I had a code two week to get ride of it
Wish I had a dollar for every flimsy cable tie sticker back pads that fell off in less than a year. The only time I use them is inside control panels and only purchase the 1 by 1" Thomas & Betts brand. Cost more but are the best made.
Thanks for watching Garbo. Those cabinets I'm working with are made with a ¼" MDF backing. I'm afraid of using screws to attach the 1"x1" zip tye pads. Right now I'm trying the Panduit brand. Thanks for commenting. I appreciate it 👍
I can't believe that was up to code but you are the expert, the box was also a little low for my likeing but what could you do.
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏻. I appreciate it.
Electrical guys, was that conduit big enough for the cable? Remember that NEC 2020 page 70-695 (that section that allows calculation of conduit fill) in note two, says that conduit for protection is not intended to apply to the conduit fill requirements. So, if it fits.
Hope that helps someone.
RON. Use flush cutters on the zip ties. You know better lol
Great video. One question - inside the island, why does the nm cable not need to be in conduit running horizontally to the box?
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏻 I asked the inspector the same question many years ago. He's reply was =your higher then the highest shelf position in the cabinet, pass the physical damage area requirements.🤯 This is a great comment that could be opened for interpretation of the code! I would love to hear some more discussion from other electrical inspectors on this topic ❤️
Houses with dirt crawls I rough everything-up-and-over. Too much mouse action down there. They love to chew on NM, get zapped and do the death piss on the wiring. Good way to start a fire.
Thanks for the information. It could save me from doing something twice instead of once.
Great vid 👍 any code references you can point out on no NM cable in raceways? Also does the pvc not need to fully protect the cable all the way to the box? Here we don’t have much crawl space residential so it’s slab unfortunately.
Hey Steven, thanks for watching and the comment. When I get some free time, I'll post the codes pertaining about NM wire not allowed in conduit raceways (only sleeves) to that video. The question about protection, all the way to the box ( I asked my inspector that same question). He's the one that told me a conduit sleeve 24" is more then adequate protection above the shelf area. I'll try to add some more code references to my video's. I'm sure you and my other viewer's would appreciate that. Thanks again for watching and subscribing 👍 I really appreciate you ❤️
Steve, NM cable is allowed in pvc schedule 80 for "physical protection" (334.15.(B).). I, too, would have expected it to go all the way to the box. This is in exposed work. Is it exposed inside a cabinet?
He mentioned a 24 inch limit given by the inspector and that probably drove his install.
On this limit, I believe the inspector may have it wrong because section 334.15.(C). UNFINISHED BASEMENTS allows for a conduit run from the joists to the boxes.....8 ft basement to 18 inch high box is about 6 1/2 feet of distance.
Just remember that inspectors have plenty of power in electrical installs and opinions are like butt-cracks....everyone has their own and some smell worse than others, including mine.
When does a wire on an peninsula need to be in a conduit, and when does it not? We're looking at running one up the side, then across the whole length of the peninsula for a middle outlet, then to the end for another. Running behind the drawers for the outlets on the back of the island near countertop. Then down a few inches to be under the drawer on the end.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Wire mold can be used to protect NM wires under cabinet areas from physical damage. Conduits (PVC & EMT can be used as a sleeve for protection as long as it's (24" or under in length) AR or MC cables can also be used. The main areas to protect from physical damage are shelving area's. Areas behind dishwashers and drawers and high up under sink based cabinets are not subjected to physical damage. I hope this helps you.
They removed receptacles on the side of islands from code. Turns out having a cord, at that height, with things plugged in are very easily accessible to young children. We have to install pop-ups now.
Thanks for watching and commenting. The new 2020 NEC requirements removed the outlets from islands. Now all that's required is a feed wire installed into an accessible box under the island for future power provisions. I'm just wondering what 2023 codes will look like.
@@workingmanrondoyle3287they were removed from the 2022 code, not the 2020 fwiw
does that outlet need to be gfci outlet? or it's ok to be a normal outlet but on gfci protected circuit?
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍
All outlets in kitchens have to be AFCI & GFCI protected. That one I installed in the video is AFCI and GFCI protected at the load center/panel with a combo breaker.
Like to ask new code nec 2020 is it true all the new house requires to wire 12/2 romex ?
Thanks for watching and commenting. No, that's not right. 12-2 for laundry, kitchen, bathrooms and garage are required to have a 20 amp circuits.
@@workingmanrondoyle3287 Thanks
What’s the name of the tool u used to cut cabinet to insert the outlet
Thanks for watching and commenting on the video. I'm using Milwaukee M-12 oscillating multi tool. I also have DeWalt 20 volt Oscillating multi tool. There both good. But the Milwaukee is smaller and fits the hand better for those finer delicate cutting jobs.
Ron, I cannot find the receptecle position requirement you talked about around time 36:06. Article 406.5.(G). Talks about receptecle installation positions but only mentions "no face up". Your reasoning is sound and how I would, but....
Please let me know.
Thanks for the comments Keith, I'll see if I can find it. It may have been a suggestion more then a code. I'm sorry to said , a very dear friend and the electrical inspector that told me this past away last night😥 from complications of surgery.
@@workingmanrondoyle3287 Sorry about the loss if a friend. Stay tough, you r world, the people you influence, got way larger when you went to UA-cam. Keep keeping them safe andknowledgeable, brother.
Does the new electrical code require pop-up outlets on kitchen island?
Thanks for watching and commenting. The new 2023 has done away with required outlets on kitchen islands do to the controversy of danger they have caused. The new code for 2023 just requires future provisions (box & feed) wire going to the underside of the island.
@@workingmanrondoyle3287 if outlets on the island are wanted what options per code are allowed?
Wow 7 outlets, it must be a big island? You can still do outlets on the sides as long as your overhangs aren't large. Most people frown on this practice due to lawsuits.Pop ups are allowed as well, as long as they are
(kitchen counter rated). Make sure before you order them.
This would mostly depend on which code cycle you are current on in your area.The new code to add future provisions for power (box&feed) under island, hasn't taken effect yet. This maybe different in your area as in time frame when it will start.
“No. --No”
Seattle inspection will fail you. U need run “MC “ metal cable by NEC electrician code.
Countertop size also needs to divide by 9 SQFeet and 18 SQFeet rules. By how many outlet QTY ?
We are on the 2017 NEC code here on the East coast/Maryland's Eastern Shore. One outlet at the end of peninsulas without backsplashes/raised counter area. Apparently you were on the 2020 code and on the West coast.
Acceptable job. But, I would’ve used MC cable and a steel gem. Then, using small strips of scrap wood or rips to make a 3-piece “bridge” strap over the MC in several locations using 5 minute epoxy. Generously applied epoxy would even work with 2-hole EMT or MC straps. That PVC deal with the stick ons is just too hokey and unprofessional looking and will wind up falling off. Alternatively, you could use wire mold with WM bushings or EMT - anything but that piece of PVC. I have even had the carpenter rip me a pair of strips to glue and form a continuous channel up the back in which to place the MC. That you flat strap. At minimum, you could use plastic wiremold with the 3M adhesive backing
Thanks for watching And commenting. I have tried the plastic wire mold before. It looks much better than the PVC I'm currently using. I had problems with it sticking. It even had factory 3M brand two sided tape. I think it was releasing due to the temperatures I tried to install it. Some if not most of the house I'm trimming out don't have power yet. Waiting for conduit to be trenched in and utility company to run feeders.
One holes zipper tie can easily to fix your jobs with MC cable and pass city inspection. How many dimensions for your countertop? If u over 9 S.Per foot. U need install two outlets !
@@ericlin9394 Thanks for watching. Maryland is still on 2017 nec. code for one outlet which this video is on. These cabinets are to thin to be pre-drilling to install screws that could possibly penetrate the outside of the ⅜" cabinet base. I've used the single hole zip ties on thicker cabinet body's. Thank for the comment 👍🏻
Here's an old timers trick for cutting cable ties that will not have razor sharp edges that cut the shit out of you.Use heavy lines men pliers to pull the cable tie snug then twist it until it breaks. If you end up with a slight sharp edge smack it with pliers. I have several pairs of T & B Orange cable tie cutters but they leave a sharp edge so use the linesman pliers.
The 2023 NEC no longer requires island or peninsula receptacles, and installing 1 could open you up to liability if someone hooks a cord and gets hurt. They now want counter top rated receptacles where no wall exists.
And no, I'm not providing a reference number.
Thanks for watching and commenting. The 2023 code only requires, ( a wire in a box under the cabin for future provisions). No outlets required.
IS THIS UNDER CODE?
Yes sir, it's been done this way by myself for years and has been inspected by 5 different inspectors. Not one of them said it wasn't to code. Thanks for watching.
You can't do this anymore according to 2023 NEC :-(
Thanks for watching and commenting. This video is based on the 2017 NEC wich Maryland is stuck on. 2020 NEC requirements are more outlets. And the 2023 NEC only ask for future provisions for power inside the island. This basically leaves (outlets placement) up to the owners of new homes, at a later date.
That looks dorky so low. Cut the drawer back.
Thanks for watching and commenting. It code compliant and within the NEC.
That wire under house should be uf not NM. You failed our lnspection.
Thanks for watching William 👍 I've heard this comment a few times. I assume 🤔 it's different areas and different districts requiring different types of wire to be used under dwelling units. We have two inspection agencies in my area. All NM is approved underneath of a dwellings as long as it's not in direct contact with Earth.