Hey everyone! I hope all is well. I placed timestamps below to help you better navigate this video. Enjoy! Intro 00:00 Kitchen island codes 00:21 Supplies needed to wire the island 03:02 Installing a metal junction box 03:39 Cutting out and installing electrical box in cabinets 05:49 Connecting and running MC cable 09:29 Wiring the junction box 13:30 Install the receptacle 15:35 Securing wires 17:28 Testing the outlet 17:48
Hi Josh, I gotta say your videos are excellent learning source! I’m on the process to redo my kitchen island and I’m gonna do just like your video. Thank you have a great day!
Josh. I cant thank you enough for what you have taught me. I took on building my own home and everything i needed help with i got my base in how to do the task from you. I ran all of my own electrical, read the NEC with Indiana amendments, siding, tile, etc. I didnt frame it, pour the foundation, drywall, plumbing or hvac. Everything else my wife and i did in our own. You are truly a special facet of our lives friend. Thank you again.
Wow! to the point and your work is very clean...I dig everything about this vid.....who says you can't teach an old Dog new tricks,? you just taught this old guy a few things....thanks very much....
@@TheExcellentLaborer yes sir they are going great! Thats what I love most about being a Handyman is that each day brings me different projects and I'm a fixer by nature so I love figuring out how to fix/build things!
It's great to see that your codes are close to ours. I always have used a junction box to make the job actually cleaner as well. I've seen some jobs that look like a spaghetti shop, per say, and are not protected. It's always important to protect the wire especially with drawers, rollout drawers etc. Anything can happen in time. We can also use a switch box if lights are installed and important as well to use the proper wiring to code for that. One other thing I got used to doing besides making sure the circuit is on a kitchen circuit and not over loading it is to run a designated line if a shelf microwave is involved. Again, checking codes. Great job on this video Josh. Love the listing of things to follow as well. 👍🏻
I remember the first island I wired I did not understand I had to have the wiring protected. I had to remove it and install this MC cable for it to past. After that I will always use MC cable for the island lol. Yeah it does seem like most places use the NEC code for the kitchens. Sounds like your area is the same. That’s a good idea about the switch box. Yes we had to have the microwave on its own breaker here. Thanks a lot David for watching again. It means a lot!
Sounded like a lot of small humans were getting seriously injured or killed by receptacles in the island so the NEC said you can’t put it directly under the countertop edge, it’s no longer required, and if you decide NOT to put it in, it still has to be ready to be wired. I’m a smooth brain, so that’s what I took away from it. Highly highly highly recommend checking out Ryan Jackson’s channel for updates to the code. He does a really good job of bringing the book up and walking through it in layman’s terms.
Great video, thank you very much. But I still have some questions. Does wet bar with island consider as kitchen and those rulles aplied to it? I plan to develope basement and install wet bar. Code says I have to run two 20A circuits with GFCI protection. So main coutertop will have sink and two GFCI recepticals will be installed on each side of the sink. Can I feed island receptacles from main GFCI outlets or I have to use dedicated circuit? I need to run cable in the concrete slab, so what is the minimum depth of the tranch can be? Can I use Liquid Tite PVC conduit or I must use gray PVC or metal conduit? Can I feed island with regular romex 12/2 or I have to use THHN wires?
we bought a house and hated the small kitchen island. After removing we notice it had a connected outlet to the ground. We ended up just tiling over it but now regretted doing that because we wanted to add a new kitchen island and connect some outlets. How should i go about doing this? I'm guessing obvious answer is to remove the tile that is covering that electrical wire?
1. Since you slaved the new outlets to the existing countertop outlets in this instance it's probably not an issue, but all of the outlets of a kitchen must also be protected by AFCI circuitry (for the last couple of Code cycles actually), as well as provide GFCI protection as you correctly point out. 2. Rather than use staples to secure MC cable to cabinetry, I would recommend the use of 3/8" 1-hole Type AC/MC cable straps and a sheet metal screw. I like to keep my hammer away from the mill work when possible. :)
Doesn't the romex sheath need to extend 1" into the box, and even when anti-short bushing are used the sharp edge needs still to be snipped square on the MC cable according to the NEC?
The new 2023 NEC code (210.52 (C)(2) says no receptacles are required.Instead you just have to have provisions for a future receptacle to serve the work surface.
The 2023 NEC kind of makes this video obsolete. They removed the requirement for kitchen island receptacles. Of course you can still install them if you want to. 😉
The receptacle is not required. However wire must still be run for future provisions. The required receptacle, if decided to install on the island, cannot be below the countertop. The required receptacle has to be on the countertop. Note, that optional receptacles can be installed below the countertop as long as the required receptacle is on the countertop.
I was noticing you didn't mention how to locate these outlets so they don't interfere with the drawer box. I am a cabinet installer and have had to go back and cut down drawer boxes, install shorter drawer slides with the shorter boxes. Also, even though it is desireable to have, as of NEC 2023 outlets in islands and peninsula ends are not required. They are suggesting a pop-up in the countertop to keep kids and adults from catching a plugged in small appliance cord and pulling the appliance down causing burns.
You skipped the most important step! Here in the Southwest, the flooring and cabinets go on top of the slab. We don’t build raised floors. So how do you get the power into the island?
Good idea not to put the receptacle too far in from the corner. My builder put the receptacle over two inches from the corner and it is hard to get the dishwasher to fit square. Added to the problem is when we upgraded to a dishwasher with extra sound insulation and the insulation catches on the box.
2023 will be getting rid of the island outlet requirements, including peninsula, BUT you still have to leave a "future" conduit to put one in in the future but its not required anymore.
@@markarita3 If he want, he may install the 15 Amps outlets, because the rating of branch circuit determine by the over current device protection, and the 15 Amps breaker is good. But the wire must not be smaller AWG that the circuit breaker. But it may be bigger. Also, the LCD lights is better to make with AWG14 wire because it must be flexible enough to pull out of the "recessed light hole" in the sheetrock and changed if it will fail to work. The Island outlets are not part of the small appliance countertop circuits, so, they may be 15 Amp instead of 20 Amp. They might be good to use for phone chargers, but they might be bad to do bread toasters because the cheap toster in Walmart is taking from 10Amp to 15Amp and greater. But to do better the breaker might trip off even im 80% loading as it 12 Amp. The only thing that the electric inspectors like, that the installation MUST be from BOX to box. So, if MC cable from the panel gets into wall opposite to the Island, the under-floor PVC pipe must be into Island wall, but the MC cable shouldn't be stripped in the wall to be sent into PVC conduit, even in the connector way, the PVC tubing is not a box, so the armored MC cable should go directly into the PVC pipe and under the countertop of the island the MC cable should be stripped into connector attached to the under cabinet box. So, if somebody try to chase the wire in the future, he may make look I to panel, see the cable, and make look unto Island electric box, and see the same wire hard attached into MC connector. That cannot be the PVC has changed over in the wall.
At 11m 15s, you said the bushing protects the insulation of the wire from the edge of the MC cable. It’s worth noting that an insulating bushing is not required for MC cable but it is for AC cable (320.40). The plastic wrap around the conductors in MC cable is sufficient protection for the conductors.
You MUST mention 2 things: 1) Going by 2023 NEC you NO longer have to install a receptacle ( don't call it an a outlet ! ) 2) Rather then installing a receptacle for an island you only need to supply power to a junction box inside of island. Safety people!e saying you should NEVER install a receptacle on side of islands because there has been too many cases of kids & adults getting hung up on cord plugged into side of islands. Best practice to use a pop up receptacle on top of island counter top. They also make fancy box that can be mounted on top of island countertops.Has to be on an AFCI circuit breaker and not the GFCI like you mentioned unless in a very old maybe 2008 code cycle.
At 1m 50s, you state that any island over 2 ft must have an outlet. 2020 NEC 210.52 (C)(2)(a) states at least one receptacle for the first 9 sq ft and another receptacle for every additional 18 sq ft. If you only require one receptacle, it needs to be within 2 ft of the edge per 210.52 (C)(2)(b). My interpretation is that a second receptacle is not required within 2 ft of the other edge as long as you don’t exceed 9 sq ft on your island.
you showed HOW to wire two outlets ONTO the island-----BUUUUT you DID NOT SHOW "HOW TO PULL" electricity from the countertop outlet TO GIVE the two outlets on the island power. Thats the crucial part!
lmao bull crap. . . you can wire a kitchen outlet to anyone you want to. . What's the state gonna do? Come check your house? LMAO. . They'll need a warrant first.
Hey everyone! I hope all is well. I placed timestamps below to help you better navigate this video. Enjoy!
Intro 00:00
Kitchen island codes 00:21
Supplies needed to wire the island 03:02
Installing a metal junction box 03:39
Cutting out and installing electrical box in cabinets 05:49
Connecting and running MC cable 09:29
Wiring the junction box 13:30
Install the receptacle 15:35
Securing wires 17:28
Testing the outlet 17:48
Bottom line yes. God bless
those connectors are not reccommeded in a metal box without being wrapped.
You are the best teacher. I enjoy your videos. Very clear, straight information , no fancy talking. Useful from begining to end
Thank you so much. I appreciate the compliment. I’ll try to keep my videos as straightforward and useful as possible. Stay tuned for more!
Your work is second to none simply great may God continue to bless you
Thank you Patrick!
Hi Josh, I gotta say your videos are excellent learning source! I’m on the process to redo my kitchen island and I’m gonna do just like your video.
Thank you have a great day!
Josh. I cant thank you enough for what you have taught me. I took on building my own home and everything i needed help with i got my base in how to do the task from you. I ran all of my own electrical, read the NEC with Indiana amendments, siding, tile, etc. I didnt frame it, pour the foundation, drywall, plumbing or hvac. Everything else my wife and i did in our own. You are truly a special facet of our lives friend. Thank you again.
You didn't build your house then.
@Fragments of My Mind I don't have to explain shit to you lol 😂 🤣 😆 😅
@Pete Paskash no. No, you don't.
Going to be wiring up our island soon. This video was EXACTLY what I needed. Thank you!
You are the best to teach me construction i always watch your videos
Thanks a lot Welson! I like to keep my DIY videos simple and straight to the point. Take care!
great video. no BS, straight to the point and very clear. Thank you!
Wow! to the point and your work is very clean...I dig everything about this vid.....who says you can't teach an old Dog new tricks,? you just taught this old guy a few things....thanks very much....
Great video man! I've learned a ton from you and I appreciate you taking the time to make these.
Thanks David! I just enjoy helping others. Hope all of your projects are going well!
@@TheExcellentLaborer yes sir they are going great! Thats what I love most about being a Handyman is that each day brings me different projects and I'm a fixer by nature so I love figuring out how to fix/build things!
It's great to see that your codes are close to ours. I always have used a junction box to make the job actually cleaner as well. I've seen some jobs that look like a spaghetti shop, per say, and are not protected. It's always important to protect the wire especially with drawers, rollout drawers etc. Anything can happen in time. We can also use a switch box if lights are installed and important as well to use the proper wiring to code for that. One other thing I got used to doing besides making sure the circuit is on a kitchen circuit and not over loading it is to run a designated line if a shelf microwave is involved. Again, checking codes. Great job on this video Josh. Love the listing of things to follow as well. 👍🏻
I remember the first island I wired I did not understand I had to have the wiring protected. I had to remove it and install this MC cable for it to past. After that I will always use MC cable for the island lol. Yeah it does seem like most places use the NEC code for the kitchens. Sounds like your area is the same. That’s a good idea about the switch box. Yes we had to have the microwave on its own breaker here. Thanks a lot David for watching again. It means a lot!
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Nice, clean job. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you Vince! You are welcome!
the first one i enjoy your videos , keep up the good work .
Hey Robert. Nice to see you here!
Great video. It benefits me a lot. Thank you so much!
Thank you. Great video very well explained. 👍👍👍
You are welcome. I hope your projects are going well. I’ll try to release a video or two a week. Stay tuned for more!
I love watching your videos, always helpful information 👍🏻
Thank you! I appreciate your support!
Hey get video. Really helpful. Can you show how to wire the outlets??
Nice Video, i like the part with the Wagos
I think you meant WAGO but yes they are great!
Excellent as always - thanks!
Very helpful, thanks dude.
You bond the junction box to the ground. Do you need to do the same to metal outlet boxes at the receptacles?
15:28 the cover plate says “under side” on the outside. Not installed per manufacturer’s instructions, 110.3(B).
I believe code for 2023 changed to where you don’t need outlets in the island, correct?
That’s what I saw on Ryan Jackson’s channel. Looks like this video came out right before the change was made in the NEC.
Sounded like a lot of small humans were getting seriously injured or killed by receptacles in the island so the NEC said you can’t put it directly under the countertop edge, it’s no longer required, and if you decide NOT to put it in, it still has to be ready to be wired.
I’m a smooth brain, so that’s what I took away from it. Highly highly highly recommend checking out Ryan Jackson’s channel for updates to the code. He does a really good job of bringing the book up and walking through it in layman’s terms.
How is the wiring for the outlet itself? I think showing that would be helpfull
Did u use a hole saw to make the holes? Also what size hole did u make?
Awesome video!
Use a paddle bit, trust me
Awesome vid! Thanks!!
Great video, thank you very much. But I still have some questions. Does wet bar with island consider as kitchen and those rulles aplied to it? I plan to develope basement and install wet bar. Code says I have to run two 20A circuits with GFCI protection. So main coutertop will have sink and two GFCI recepticals will be installed on each side of the sink. Can I feed island receptacles from main GFCI outlets or I have to use dedicated circuit? I need to run cable in the concrete slab, so what is the minimum depth of the tranch can be? Can I use Liquid Tite PVC conduit or I must use gray PVC or metal conduit? Can I feed island with regular romex 12/2 or I have to use THHN wires?
Can the island circuit be on its own breaker? (On a remodel that might be far easier to do.)
Thank you so much
I found 8ft 12/2 MC that comes with snapons on both ends. Can I use that, or do I HAVE to find a 90 degree snapon for the outlet end?
Can the island be completely on its own circuit? Assuming 20A gfci etc etc all remains.
Hey Dan! My area it must to be on the kitchen circuit. Check with your local building codes to see if you can have it on its own circuit.
Instead of using a junction box can you just wire directly from one receptacle to the other?
we bought a house and hated the small kitchen island. After removing we notice it had a connected outlet to the ground. We ended up just tiling over it but now regretted doing that because we wanted to add a new kitchen island and connect some outlets. How should i go about doing this? I'm guessing obvious answer is to remove the tile that is covering that electrical wire?
1. Since you slaved the new outlets to the existing countertop outlets in this instance it's probably not an issue, but all of the outlets of a kitchen must also be protected by AFCI circuitry (for the last couple of Code cycles actually), as well as provide GFCI protection as you correctly point out.
2. Rather than use staples to secure MC cable to cabinetry, I would recommend the use of 3/8" 1-hole Type AC/MC cable straps and a sheet metal screw. I like to keep my hammer away from the mill work when possible. :)
Where or how do you learn your local codes? Owner builder not wanting to go to school to learn!
Check with your local Planning Office. They should be able to direct you where to find the codes. Good luck with your project!
Hi , How to run the wire to the kitchen island under concrete
I have my dishwasher and microwave on the island each on a dedicated circuit. Each one is going to splice off to an outlet on each side of the island.
How do those boxes fit if there are drawers I the cabinets?!?!
Doesn't the romex sheath need to extend 1" into the box, and even when anti-short bushing are used the sharp edge needs still to be snipped square on the MC cable according to the NEC?
1/4" is the minimum
The new 2023 NEC code (210.52 (C)(2) says no receptacles are required.Instead you just have to have provisions for a future receptacle to serve the work surface.
The 2023 NEC kind of makes this video obsolete. They removed the requirement for kitchen island receptacles. Of course you can still install them if you want to. 😉
Even optional, it's very nice to have a local to plug in a waffle maker or electric griddle.
The receptacle is not required. However wire must still be run for future provisions. The required receptacle, if decided to install on the island, cannot be below the countertop. The required receptacle has to be on the countertop. Note, that optional receptacles can be installed below the countertop as long as the required receptacle is on the countertop.
I was noticing you didn't mention how to locate these outlets so they don't interfere with the drawer box. I am a cabinet installer and have had to go back and cut down drawer boxes, install shorter drawer slides with the shorter boxes. Also, even though it is desireable to have, as of NEC 2023 outlets in islands and peninsula ends are not required. They are suggesting a pop-up in the countertop to keep kids and adults from catching a plugged in small appliance cord and pulling the appliance down causing burns.
You skipped the most important step!
Here in the Southwest, the flooring and cabinets go on top of the slab. We don’t build raised floors.
So how do you get the power into the island?
Good idea not to put the receptacle too far in from the corner. My builder put the receptacle over two inches from the corner and it is hard to get the dishwasher to fit square. Added to the problem is when we upgraded to a dishwasher with extra sound insulation and the insulation catches on the box.
I would think a shallow box might help.
@@dennydeckerful Good point and and the builder did install a shallow box.
In addition to receptacles now being optional, the 2023 code no longer allows outlets to be installed below the counter height.
Is this under code?
2023 will be getting rid of the island outlet requirements, including peninsula, BUT you still have to leave a "future" conduit to put one in in the future but its not required anymore.
I should add, that's a minimum so city's can still require it, but it's not in the 2023 NEC as required.
I just notice, but you using a 12-2 wire equals a 20amp circuit and you using a 15amp electrical outlets? (No dog leg) and no gfci
2023 nec you no longer have to install receptical outlet on kitchen island and peninsula its optional but check with your local code first
15AMP outlets??
Yes they are. Thank for watching!
@@TheExcellentLaborer ? but you're running 12ga cable (for 20A circuit)??
@@markarita3
If he want, he may install the 15 Amps outlets, because the rating of branch circuit determine by the over current device protection, and the 15 Amps breaker is good. But the wire must not be smaller AWG that the circuit breaker. But it may be bigger.
Also, the LCD lights is better to make with AWG14 wire because it must be flexible enough to pull out of the "recessed light hole" in the sheetrock and changed if it will fail to work.
The Island outlets are not part of the small appliance countertop circuits, so, they may be 15 Amp instead of 20 Amp.
They might be good to use for phone chargers, but they might be bad to do bread toasters because the cheap toster in Walmart is taking from 10Amp to 15Amp and greater. But to do better the breaker might trip off even im 80% loading as it 12 Amp.
The only thing that the electric inspectors like, that the installation MUST be from BOX to box. So, if MC cable from the panel gets into wall opposite to the Island, the under-floor PVC pipe must be into Island wall, but the MC cable shouldn't be stripped in the wall to be sent into PVC conduit, even in the connector way, the PVC tubing is not a box, so the armored MC cable should go directly into the PVC pipe and under the countertop of the island the MC cable should be stripped into connector attached to the under cabinet box. So, if somebody try to chase the wire in the future, he may make look I to panel, see the cable, and make look unto Island electric box, and see the same wire hard attached into MC connector. That cannot be the PVC has changed over in the wall.
How to cut the metal sheeting without that tool. Where is that explanation?
2023 says no island outlets on side below...only popups or doghouse type.
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At 11m 15s, you said the bushing protects the insulation of the wire from the edge of the MC cable. It’s worth noting that an insulating bushing is not required for MC cable but it is for AC cable (320.40). The plastic wrap around the conductors in MC cable is sufficient protection for the conductors.
Turn the Romwx connector around backwards
Phenomenal video
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Thanks Thor! Keeping busy man!
@@TheExcellentLaborer did you see my comment on my comment from a year ago .... the time stamp comment thats why i did it
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I appreciate that! 💪🏻
Just make sure it is GFCI protected
You MUST mention 2 things: 1) Going by 2023 NEC you NO longer have to install a receptacle ( don't call it an a outlet ! ) 2) Rather then installing a receptacle for an island you only need to supply power to a junction box inside of island. Safety people!e saying you should NEVER install a receptacle on side of islands because there has been too many cases of kids & adults getting hung up on cord plugged into side of islands. Best practice to use a pop up receptacle on top of island counter top. They also make fancy box that can be mounted on top of island countertops.Has to be on an AFCI circuit breaker and not the GFCI like you mentioned unless in a very old maybe 2008 code cycle.
Love your videos but Outlets are not required in a island per 2023 code.
Brother! I think you need a new tape measure... It must be a good one if you kept it that long. Pretty worn looking
Yes it’s getting worn out. I’ll ask my wife for one for Christmas. Thanks for watching!
Outlet is not required updated code for 2023
210.52,C.2 ,2023 national electrical code Kitchen islands and peninsula's not required to have any receptacles whatsoever
WHY YU YELLIN', BRO???
2023 code, Island doesn't need receptacle...
This is NEC 2023 code violation. Receptacles can Not be installed on the side of the island. Check your code before you post a video
I just don't wire them anymore since they aren't code anymore🤣🤷
Outdated now. No outlet required
At 1m 50s, you state that any island over 2 ft must have an outlet. 2020 NEC 210.52 (C)(2)(a) states at least one receptacle for the first 9 sq ft and another receptacle for every additional 18 sq ft. If you only require one receptacle, it needs to be within 2 ft of the edge per 210.52 (C)(2)(b). My interpretation is that a second receptacle is not required within 2 ft of the other edge as long as you don’t exceed 9 sq ft on your island.
Welp! You just got some more commission from me.
you showed HOW to wire two outlets ONTO the island-----BUUUUT you DID NOT SHOW "HOW TO PULL" electricity from the countertop outlet TO GIVE the two outlets on the island power. Thats the crucial part!
You can't do this anymore according to 2023 nec
Now in 2023 code we are no longer suppose to install island receptacles by code
Interesting! I will have to look into that. Thanks for your input. Good luck with your project!
lmao bull crap. . . you can wire a kitchen outlet to anyone you want to. . What's the state gonna do? Come check your house? LMAO. . They'll need a warrant first.
What’s with all the steel boxes and MC?
Nice video man can you make video how to installing meter from service entrance please
I did a meter video actually