Sorry for the difficulty some of you guys are having in understanding me. My lungs are kinda messed up so I have to talk quickly to complete sentences. For some of the more technical aspects you may have missed: Fire rate for the gun was .8 seconds per round, rounded up to 1s for unclassified publications. Carousel was continuously replenished, but if you did fire all six rounds, it could be replenished in around 5 seconds (In the time you replenish one round in WT you could replenish 16 IRL) Offroad speed was about 80kmh in desert (modeled) and 56km/h in woodland (tested and modeled). Since I'm getting a lot of comments about some things, here. *"How did you verify this was someone who actually worked on the program?"* He gave me personal details about his employment; what contractor he worked for, what his job was, who he worked under, that I was able to verify through primary documentation. Furthermore, I was able to verify nearly everything he said, from the reload rate down to the test instrumentation being the most unreliable part of the program. *"You're just making this up so you can make the HSTV-L overpowered."* For one thing, I'm not using this man's testimony for bug reports. I already have bug reports for the major issues the HSTV-L has in War Thunder, with each having upwards of four sources. Second, I've stated time and time again that if the HSTV-L WAS fixed, I would want it to go to 10.3 or 10.7. Three, I don't want overpowered vehicles in War Thunder, I want ACCURATE vehicles in War Thunder. I don't know about you guys, but I learned that cheating in games isn't very fun when I was around eight. It's a lot more fun to actually have a challenge. Fourth, even if I did want the HSTV-L to be overpowered and Gaijin implemented my bug reports while keeping it 9.7, its win rates would skyrocket and it would be moved to a higher BR anyway. I made this video purely to record this man's testimony for history's sake. *"You're just trying to hype up your favorite vehicle / You're a nationalist."* Crazy thought, but I don't actually care what you guys think about the HSTV-L. If you think the Leopard 2 is the best tank in the world, cool. If you think the T-90 is the best tank in the world, that's cool too. As I've said before, I don't think you can say any tank is the best in the world since each country designs their tanks around their own specific doctrine, but it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. What would I gain by "hyping up" the HSTV-L anyway? And if you were one of my close friends, you'd find the idea of me being a nationalist to be laughable. I think American tanks are the most interesting, but I'm far from a nationalist. *"If it was so great, why didn't they adopt it?"* As explained in the video, the M1's continued development was favored, so the program's funding was diverted to that. Development of the HSTV-L's gun had already put a pretty large dent in the budget, the full scale development of a production HSTV-L type vehicle would have made it even bigger. *"There's no way it was as good as it was described, the US Army would never let such a potent tank go to waste."* If you believe that, you are obviously not very familiar with US Army procurement.
theyll do like what they did to the Type 90 MBT armor test results that showed it was much stronger to kinetic projectiles (they had a Type 90 and shot it with JM33 from the 120mm main cannon of another Type 90 to get these results), and say Gaijin: "oh no theyre wrong theyre lying its all biased."
spookston needs to interview me. abrams has 1 second reload, 100000mm of kinetic armour everywhere from the front, and silver bullet has 100000mm of pen at 2km at 60 degrees. source:wookiepedia
@@m1a1abrams3 don't forget 50 cals with 400mm of pen at 500m, meaning you can kill some mbt frontally with just the machine gun. Sometimes they don't even need the main gun.
@@General_Dave_1 Not even a couple billion of dollars. You can get a functional BMP-2 for around $300k and shipped worldwide for another $150k + another $75-$100k for the government approval. Now rusted left over stuff like the HSTV-L? The US govt would willingly to part with it and write it off as free money for them.
I love the fact that places like UA-cam let us hear from people like this. Huge props to this engineer for sharing his experience and thanks Spookston for putting it out here for us.
It's actually cooler how they did it with T-90... before it was created. It's mentioned at 2:08. I feel like I've just listened to used car advertisement:D
And I bet gaijin will still not change anything about the HSTV-L because they are too bussy figuring out how to implement top BR premium tanks which are still one rank below top tier (just like in naval)
@@Real_Claudy_Focan That's how I also felt about the video. I do however need to say that this does sound like what a real person would say. I hope that Spookston has done some checking himself on the person.
You know, A long time ago I wanted to make a comment saying "Why don't you(Spookston) ask an engineer from the HSTV Program" But I thought it sounded too insulting and kind of unrealistic. Darn, GG.
This is honestly my absolute favorite kind of content. Preserving history, saving stories of those who worked on projects. Please never pass up an opportunity to talk to people like this.
Keep it mind it's a single biased source, so I wouldn't take this as gospel. Listening to this guy, the HSTV-L was fast, reliable, deadly, survivable, comfortable, compact, etc. Basically the best thing since sliced bread. I somewhat doubt the veracity of some of this, personally, knowing armored vehicles in general, especially considering this vehicle was never adopted in the end.
Stop breaking peoples dreams ! In reality it would probably be extremely expensive and maintenance intensive. Ad it would perform well for the first 6 months after being produced. Survivability is highly doubtable as it is tightly packed. 75mm piercing T-80 front is doubtable of barrel life is 6 rounds of APFSDS
Since they don't have an actual tank to test out and rely on spy plane and other mean to simulate the tank armor so the deadly part is a bit questionable without actual combat testing and survivability is well provided by the mean of "don't get hit" so that part also a bit meh? Although the fast, reliable, deadly, survivable, comfortable, compact traits do fit a WW2 tank though, it the Sherman. Fast enough, very reliable, deadly enough with 75 and 76mm, crew survivability is high and armor is decently good, comfortable and well kinda minus the compact since the Sherman is quite tall Given they can do something like that in WW2 I think they can be done, well minus here and there feature like armor protection since it a light armored vehicle
Since that time one commenter said how spooks always starts talking after getting the kill, it became something to look for. nice kill spooks and is that generals music i hear in the background in the first seconds edit, it is! knew it. "Songs used (in order from first to last): Command and Conquer: Generals - Fight for Peace "
I love the info. Though as someone with just a but of skepticism, I do feel the need the ask where the credibility of the source is. Don't take this as an attack or offense. I do not mean for it. And I understand the desire for the engineer to keep his privacy.
I love that you love the HSTV-L as much as or probably more than us. Also please tell your friend to write a book on it. Its criminal there aren't any.
Have you considered providing a google drive or direct links to some of the sources you use? I've been waiting for months for the Army to respond to my FOIA request on the HSTV-L
Just so you guys know how hard it is to get a FOIA request, I was in a Stryker rollover and messed up my neck. The VA needed more than just sworn statements so I had to request the official records from my own accident. I’m still waiting after a whole year.
wow, this was very informative spooks. its cool hearing about the tank from someone who was involved in its development. thanks for going through all the effort to bring this too us.
US Army veteran here: I can expand, a little, upon what he was talking about with the 3 round bursts. Some of it is related to the nature of armored warfare and doctrine. Something worth pointing out when it comes to combat effectiveness, especially with regards to degrading armored and mechanized elements, is that when a vehicle is hit, it often is continued to be fired at even if it's clearly no longer engaging or moving. This was more true in past generations than it is today, but the idea is that even if a vehicle is hit, and some element of it is damaged, the crew killed, or even if the engine catches fire, it can still be recovered post-engagement and taken to be repaired, refitted, and recrewed. This isn't really modelled in War Thunder, but then again neither are the other components of a ground combat force. So it's a bit difficult to see how certain vehicles would fit into the battlespace.
Also, to add, the vehicle was part of a doctrinal shift in the DoD. At the time the US military was shifting to high maneuver style warfare wherein smaller most self-sustaining elements were able to engage and/or tie down enemy elements far larger in size and scope (in terms of battlespace occupied). The best example of this being the Iraq invasion of 2003 and the force restructuring of elements like, for example, the field artillery into their own, self-sustained, combat units with indigenous infantry, armor, cav scouts, and support / logistical elements. This is still being pushed today and if, for instance, you take a look at Defense News or the Military Times you will see other such projects coming into the fore as newer platforms are being developed to replace the more aged ones, or ones that aren't the best fit for their role (e.g. the Bradley).
Spook you really are on a whole other level to other WT CC's. Not only do you provide such well presented criticism of the game and act as a voice for us, you also do something like this, providing forum-level dedicated research in an easily digestible format. Big thank you to the engineer and his whole team for being so cooperative.
Can you make more of this interviews with the different vehicles in war thunder or even the ones that can be implemented in the game. Is very interesting and amazing at the same time. Keep it up. Thanks💪🏼💪🏼
It's amazing how some of the people involved in such amazing programs are not only still with us but also willing to come forward and inform the public about their contributions to national defense. It's always awesome to hear from veterans and civilian contractors and engineers.
I live near APG so I think it’s really neat to hear about this stuff. Also there is actually an HSTV-L left. There is a picture of it in Anniston Army Depot
I found that picture this was the only one built that I know of. It dont look nothing like what I remember . I need to post some pictures when we test it at Aberdeen and Ft Knox early 80,s
Not really, I mean Gaijin just use whatever data available online and make the vehicle worth getting for users. It is currently the best tank in the game bar none.
I find it really cool that once this program was cancelled the Canadians started to work on it more under a secret label as a new transport vehicle for JTF2 up until they were shut down by the Canadian government at the request of the Americans...so kinda like the Avro Arrow. Data files on it were purged and the prototype was dismantled. The only reason I know about this is because my dad and uncle were both military engineers put in the project to do the mechanical work on it. (I'm sorry I don't have any files on it as I mentioned they were purged and my dad being a mechanic didn't have access to sneak some out)
This was incredible. I am so happy you had a chance to interview someone directly related to the program. That really makes it come to life! I am researching this currently and can't wait to unlock it. I think it will fit well with my playstyle.
Spookston you should do one of these on one of the most misunderstood modern tanks in the world,the Merkava. It would be awesome if you could interview a merkava mk4 or mk3 crewman,favourably a gunner or TC and ask meaningful questions about all the misconceptions about the tank. Great vid!
I had no knowledge of the HSTV-L other than glancing at it in WT, but this video quite interested me. Excellent content, and bravo to the team that worked on it.
This has to be the best video of this channel by far, actually having someone who worked in a classified program gives better understanding of how that stuff works and how strong military institutions are, hell guessing the armor of a tank by weight detrmined from pictures or info from spies never crossed my mind. Its a little sad to know that very talented pepole arent very recognized and that some of them passed away without any credit after developing such an incredible piece of engenieering.
This was very fascinating. I hope other engineers are willing to do these kinds of things about different projects (and Personally i would love to see something like this on the XM1. I can't get enough of that vehicle)
I love how the scope of this already-awesome channel keeps expanding and the quality and content keeps improving! Keep up the fantastic work, Spookston! You know, I'd pay a lot of money to be able to play a War Thunder alternative PC game developed with Spookston as the lead game designer that had everything War Thunder has, except with a focus on mid-to-late Cold War era through modern era armored vehicles, zero microtransactions, and the default game mode being a mix between War Thunder's Realistic and Simulation battle modes, except with a sub-24 hour wait-time on the matches, unlike WT's Sim mode. No, BR's, no random nerfs or buffs of vehicles, the only way opposing teams should be balanced is by number of spawns allowed per vehicle type, with less powerful (cheaper IRL) vehicles having more free spawns per match. Hopefully, one day this channel will grow to the point that as a community, we could all work together to make that game a reality. If not, then I'll just keep enjoying the amazing content on this channel! :)
Man. I was excited as hell to see this video... the HSTV-L has to be one of my favorite tanks ever made, perhaps even ever, for a lot of reasons. Spookston, you've done a great job with these kinds of videos so far but this one takes the cake. Getting to talk to one of the engineers on the program? What an honor that is and I really enjoyed hearing about all of this... you've done your part. Now it's our turn to put the coals onto Gaijin to do what needs to be made right and fix the HSTV-L once and for all. Again, great job, Spookston. Hope you feel better man. Take care.
This channel is much better than Cone of Arc. You don't dress things up, you don't have lengthy intros, you get straight to the point with consistently reliable and accurate information.
Wow this was amazing, it's stuff like this that makes the internet truly magical. Many thanks to your guest for representing the HSTVL team and bringing us this amazing look into military history and tank design.
I'm kinda skeptical about a few parts. I certainly don't think they are lying, It's not possible to know everything about a project this size. Fantastic that this person got in touch with you and great questions. The BELIEF that ceramic engines would be perfected certainly existed at that time. Problem is, a few decades on, we know that the tech is nowhere close to being ready for mass production. The overall reliability being good at the prototype stage? Having been involved with developing new technology, not military or weapons, there's always SOMETHING that's held together with duct tape and string so you can get to testing the major bits. (Because why bother fixing the little things if the big thing doesn't work?) Likely just didn't know all the little details. Fantastic conversation you had. Reminds me of one of the local gunshows I got to talk to a guy who worked on an autoloading 8" gun for the navy that fired fixed ammunition. The case he had was something like 4-5' long. Other questions that cross my mind to ask them. How was maintenance on the gun vs other systems? Time or difficulty? How often did jams or malfunctions occur and what sort of degraded mode operation was possible?
Wow! This is so cool Spookston!! What an awesome opportunity that he was willing to to reach out and answer some questions. Very cool! Hopefully more opportunities can arise because this was so so cool! Keep up the good work! :)
Would be nice to have some text as well to read what the engineer said during the video, you unfortunately talk sometimes a little fast, causing me to have to rewind the part. ^^;
@@Glebasik148 Caliber doesn't matter much in the modern era, velocity matters more. By reducing the calibre while still holding the same velocity, you can get a round with better penetration but bad post-penetration damage due to the impact area being less and therefore creating less spall/sherapnel. This is the whole idea behind APFSDS (Armor Piercing Discarding-Sabot Fin Stabalized) rounds, as the actual projectile is way smaller in caliber than the cannon's caliber, hence why they are called "sub-caliber rounds". Its achieved by having a "sabot" around the shell while its in the cannon barrel that discards after its fired mid-air. It achieves more penetration by reducing the contact area while retaining or even increasing the force put on the armor (because it is more aerodynamic).
140mm can pen up to 1m of steel armour 75mm can`t even penetrate a 500mm of steel hstvl had 280mm of pen if you talking about railguns then yes but you need to have really long shells to compensate for loss of mass
@@Glebasik148 What you are saying is correct, but unless you are in an bunker busting role 500mm and 1000mm is the same considering the maximum (effective) thickness of tank armour is going to be 300mm. And considering that it has much greater firerate, both has its ups and downs. However, any cannon above 125mm of caliber is really just impractical and wouldnt make significant difference while adding logistical and reliability problems.
@@JohnDoe-yc6ox right i'm just trying to figure out what kind of insane dark magic math they're doing to get a vehicles weight just by watching it drive around
@@garrett707 ye ikr its crazy what they can get out of an image..... i mean still crazy though, I thought you needed like at least 105mm + to penetrate the t80u’s frontal armor. I guess not? Since they claim 90mm is good enough?
@@JohnDoe-yc6ox They may have also have insider intel in the engines used and so were after looking at the speed of the tank and comparing it to the horsepower of the engine, they were able to get the weight of the tank. We know that weight is unevenly divided between frontal armour and side armour( assuming its frontal armour is the about the same percentage of its weight as the previous model tank) so factoring in that and you can get a close estimate of the frontal armour.
Sorry for the difficulty some of you guys are having in understanding me. My lungs are kinda messed up so I have to talk quickly to complete sentences. For some of the more technical aspects you may have missed:
Fire rate for the gun was .8 seconds per round, rounded up to 1s for unclassified publications.
Carousel was continuously replenished, but if you did fire all six rounds, it could be replenished in around 5 seconds (In the time you replenish one round in WT you could replenish 16 IRL)
Offroad speed was about 80kmh in desert (modeled) and 56km/h in woodland (tested and modeled).
Since I'm getting a lot of comments about some things, here.
*"How did you verify this was someone who actually worked on the program?"*
He gave me personal details about his employment; what contractor he worked for, what his job was, who he worked under, that I was able to verify through primary documentation. Furthermore, I was able to verify nearly everything he said, from the reload rate down to the test instrumentation being the most unreliable part of the program.
*"You're just making this up so you can make the HSTV-L overpowered."*
For one thing, I'm not using this man's testimony for bug reports. I already have bug reports for the major issues the HSTV-L has in War Thunder, with each having upwards of four sources. Second, I've stated time and time again that if the HSTV-L WAS fixed, I would want it to go to 10.3 or 10.7. Three, I don't want overpowered vehicles in War Thunder, I want ACCURATE vehicles in War Thunder. I don't know about you guys, but I learned that cheating in games isn't very fun when I was around eight. It's a lot more fun to actually have a challenge. Fourth, even if I did want the HSTV-L to be overpowered and Gaijin implemented my bug reports while keeping it 9.7, its win rates would skyrocket and it would be moved to a higher BR anyway. I made this video purely to record this man's testimony for history's sake.
*"You're just trying to hype up your favorite vehicle / You're a nationalist."*
Crazy thought, but I don't actually care what you guys think about the HSTV-L. If you think the Leopard 2 is the best tank in the world, cool. If you think the T-90 is the best tank in the world, that's cool too. As I've said before, I don't think you can say any tank is the best in the world since each country designs their tanks around their own specific doctrine, but it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. What would I gain by "hyping up" the HSTV-L anyway? And if you were one of my close friends, you'd find the idea of me being a nationalist to be laughable. I think American tanks are the most interesting, but I'm far from a nationalist.
*"If it was so great, why didn't they adopt it?"*
As explained in the video, the M1's continued development was favored, so the program's funding was diverted to that. Development of the HSTV-L's gun had already put a pretty large dent in the budget, the full scale development of a production HSTV-L type vehicle would have made it even bigger.
*"There's no way it was as good as it was described, the US Army would never let such a potent tank go to waste."*
If you believe that, you are obviously not very familiar with US Army procurement.
Can we get s transcript of the Q&A? I figure I'm not the only one here who reads better than they listen
Good vid dude that’s awesome actually being able to talk to someone who worked on the HSTVL keep it up
Wait why are your lungs screwed? Is it like a lot of smoke where youre from or?
I just put playback speed at 0.75x lol
@@willowigabb Had a pretty bad respiratory infection when I was younger.
Spookston: speaks to someone who actually worked on the tank they put in the game
Gaijin: *Looks at their 2nd hand tank info and sweats profusely*
theyll do like what they did to the Type 90 MBT armor test results that showed it was much stronger to kinetic projectiles (they had a Type 90 and shot it with JM33 from the 120mm main cannon of another Type 90 to get these results), and say
Gaijin: "oh no theyre wrong theyre lying its all biased."
spookston needs to interview me. abrams has 1 second reload, 100000mm of kinetic armour everywhere from the front, and silver bullet has 100000mm of pen at 2km at 60 degrees. source:wookiepedia
@@m1a1abrams3 this is why Americans love the Abrams man. The best tank in the world, get that soviet shit out of here.
@@m1a1abrams3 don't forget 50 cals with 400mm of pen at 500m, meaning you can kill some mbt frontally with just the machine gun. Sometimes they don't even need the main gun.
@@yukarifloof8267 The Type 90 was shot at with a JM33 APFSDS with a lower charge to simulate a shot from 2 KM distance
Upcoming Video: "HSTV-L Engineer gave me a tank, to test it myself."
Lol that would be awesome
Original is sitting at a scrapyard somewhere in US (or at least was a few years ago) so if you are crazy enough you could snatch and renovate it
@@revolverocelot6334 you got a small loan of a couple billion dollars?
@@General_Dave_1
Not even a couple billion of dollars.
You can get a functional BMP-2 for around $300k and shipped worldwide for another $150k + another $75-$100k for the government approval.
Now rusted left over stuff like the HSTV-L? The US govt would willingly to part with it and write it off as free money for them.
It will be followed by "I went to Gaijin`s headquarters in my HSTV-L"
spookston is going to buy the HSTV-L as his personal transport in 2 months
Well... There's one sitting in a tank graveyard in the US. We could just hop in.
@@SleepySkull1 pretty sure you'll need a engine aswell as fuel for those.
One problem at a time. Get the truck, we have a tank to save.
Literally cost 3$ million
I wouldn't blame if he did. If there were two available (and it was priced within my budget) I would be right behind him buying the 2nd one. 🙂
I love the fact that places like UA-cam let us hear from people like this. Huge props to this engineer for sharing his experience and thanks Spookston for putting it out here for us.
I think one of the coolest parts was hearing about how they estimated the T-80s armor.
It's actually cooler how they did it with T-90... before it was created. It's mentioned at 2:08. I feel like I've just listened to used car advertisement:D
@@TheArklyte He said "would have" so its too ambiguous to know if its bullshit or not.
i would like to get more information about it but dont know how to search even about it :(
If the amx-13 series was historically accurate.
Stop liking this it won't help
The amx 13 ss. 11 wouldn't be premium since the french army built 4300 of them
@@ommsterlitz1805 With that logic there wouldnt be a premium T-72
@@ommsterlitz1805 ?
@@play3rggg there isn’t really,the only prem one is the Syrian T-72 that has upgraded FCS and not many of those exist.
@@ommsterlitz1805 *M O N E Y*
Spookston is out here literally doing gaijins job for them. great video man
And I bet gaijin will still not change anything about the HSTV-L because they are too bussy figuring out how to implement top BR premium tanks which are still one rank below top tier (just like in naval)
Because people who've worked on tanks are common on the internet?
Plus take into account classified and lost information
@Leon Lopez Also Gaijin using some random Swedish document to decide the Abrams' stats.
The whole community is literally doing their job for them and they still can't do shit right
Even a dead skunk can do a better job than gayjin.
We didn't expect an interview, we didn't expect that they used spy planes to determinate a t80's armor...but no one expected the spanish inquisition
The fact that the tank engineers were able to get the data for a T-80’s armour thickness from CIA/DIA reconnaissance flights is just out of this world
You can tell Spookston's excited because of how quickly he's talking
Now this pushes spookston up to Historian level...
No
If you also consider the people who are interviewed on the history channel past midnight historians, sure
historian gives source !
Here it's more like "dude, trust me"
@@Real_Claudy_Focan maus has 10000 mm penetranting shell. trust me, my granddad was an engineer on the project
@@Real_Claudy_Focan That's how I also felt about the video. I do however need to say that this does sound like what a real person would say.
I hope that Spookston has done some checking himself on the person.
Imagine interviewing some one like that. Nice one sp
Edit: holy st, i have NEVER recieved too much likes
Video came out 8 minutes ago and you posted this 7 mins ago how do you determine it's a nice one?? 😂 It was a nice one tho.
@@PyrotechnicMailman maybe he watched on 9x speed
Indeed
@@dsdy1205 i do
You know, A long time ago I wanted to make a comment saying "Why don't you(Spookston) ask an engineer from the HSTV Program" But I thought it sounded too insulting and kind of unrealistic.
Darn, GG.
This is honestly my absolute favorite kind of content. Preserving history, saving stories of those who worked on projects.
Please never pass up an opportunity to talk to people like this.
My Favourite Boy in Game!
HSTVL IS A BEAST!
Now will gaijin listen to an ACTUAL engineer when asking for historical data
Nah they won't. We all know they won't lmao
NO
Nah,secret documents trump pigfat engineer.
Sekrit documents and History channel never lies
What actual proof is there, that this is actually an engineer and not just another HSTV-L fanboy?
Keep it mind it's a single biased source, so I wouldn't take this as gospel. Listening to this guy, the HSTV-L was fast, reliable, deadly, survivable, comfortable, compact, etc. Basically the best thing since sliced bread. I somewhat doubt the veracity of some of this, personally, knowing armored vehicles in general, especially considering this vehicle was never adopted in the end.
Yeah, this thing sounds too good to be true.
Stop breaking peoples dreams ! In reality it would probably be extremely expensive and maintenance intensive. Ad it would perform well for the first 6 months after being produced. Survivability is highly doubtable as it is tightly packed. 75mm piercing T-80 front is doubtable of barrel life is 6 rounds of APFSDS
Since they don't have an actual tank to test out and rely on spy plane and other mean to simulate the tank armor so the deadly part is a bit questionable without actual combat testing and survivability is well provided by the mean of "don't get hit" so that part also a bit meh?
Although the fast, reliable, deadly, survivable, comfortable, compact traits do fit a WW2 tank though, it the Sherman. Fast enough, very reliable, deadly enough with 75 and 76mm, crew survivability is high and armor is decently good, comfortable and well kinda minus the compact since the Sherman is quite tall
Given they can do something like that in WW2 I think they can be done, well minus here and there feature like armor protection since it a light armored vehicle
Since that time one commenter said how spooks always starts talking after getting the kill, it became something to look for. nice kill spooks
and is that generals music i hear in the background in the first seconds
edit, it is! knew it.
"Songs used (in order from first to last):
Command and Conquer: Generals - Fight for Peace
"
This was very interesting. Getting a peek behind the curtain was refreshing. Thanks for the video
It's always fun to hear from Engineers
engineer gaming
@@legate5923 engineer gaming
@@Am_Yeff engineer gaming
@@Dersephh engineer gaming
"...5 seconds, which was more than enough time to replenish the ready rack"
It takes 15 to get one round in WT. Gaijin moment.
It's the people who actually worked on these projects that make me interested in the history of these programs.
Respect for the CNC Generals Music
loved getting to hear some first hand accounts on the HSTV-L
That was downright fascinating. What an amazing experience to be able to talk to someone like that.
I love the info.
Though as someone with just a but of skepticism, I do feel the need the ask where the credibility of the source is.
Don't take this as an attack or offense. I do not mean for it. And I understand the desire for the engineer to keep his privacy.
I love that you love the HSTV-L as much as or probably more than us. Also please tell your friend to write a book on it. Its criminal there aren't any.
Epic video! Loved the part about the T80 armour. Proper spy stuff there.
Have you considered providing a google drive or direct links to some of the sources you use? I've been waiting for months for the Army to respond to my FOIA request on the HSTV-L
Good luck
If you get any results, please share it with me
Just so you guys know how hard it is to get a FOIA request, I was in a Stryker rollover and messed up my neck. The VA needed more than just sworn statements so I had to request the official records from my own accident. I’m still waiting after a whole year.
@@pedromiranda5448 Will do
I subbed so you better make a video on it if you get anything ;)
Man's talking like someone's holding him at gun point
Bro is just prolly really excited
Its the engineer holding him hostage
He has lung problems
@@cliffordstones5109 speaking faster doesn't help your breathing
@@shprite781 Speaking faster makes completing sentences before running out of breath easier.
wow, this was very informative spooks. its cool hearing about the tank from someone who was involved in its development. thanks for going through all the effort to bring this too us.
US Army veteran here: I can expand, a little, upon what he was talking about with the 3 round bursts. Some of it is related to the nature of armored warfare and doctrine. Something worth pointing out when it comes to combat effectiveness, especially with regards to degrading armored and mechanized elements, is that when a vehicle is hit, it often is continued to be fired at even if it's clearly no longer engaging or moving. This was more true in past generations than it is today, but the idea is that even if a vehicle is hit, and some element of it is damaged, the crew killed, or even if the engine catches fire, it can still be recovered post-engagement and taken to be repaired, refitted, and recrewed. This isn't really modelled in War Thunder, but then again neither are the other components of a ground combat force. So it's a bit difficult to see how certain vehicles would fit into the battlespace.
Also, to add, the vehicle was part of a doctrinal shift in the DoD. At the time the US military was shifting to high maneuver style warfare wherein smaller most self-sustaining elements were able to engage and/or tie down enemy elements far larger in size and scope (in terms of battlespace occupied). The best example of this being the Iraq invasion of 2003 and the force restructuring of elements like, for example, the field artillery into their own, self-sustained, combat units with indigenous infantry, armor, cav scouts, and support / logistical elements. This is still being pushed today and if, for instance, you take a look at Defense News or the Military Times you will see other such projects coming into the fore as newer platforms are being developed to replace the more aged ones, or ones that aren't the best fit for their role (e.g. the Bradley).
Spook you really are on a whole other level to other WT CC's. Not only do you provide such well presented criticism of the game and act as a voice for us, you also do something like this, providing forum-level dedicated research in an easily digestible format. Big thank you to the engineer and his whole team for being so cooperative.
Great interview! I recently read at around 80 degrees, SABOT rounds tend to shatter, which rarely happens in WT.
There was one update last year which added shattering, it boosted Abrams survivability, which was big no no for gaijin so they remove it.
Can you make more of this interviews with the different vehicles in war thunder or even the ones that can be implemented in the game. Is very interesting and amazing at the same time. Keep it up. Thanks💪🏼💪🏼
That was honestly in my opinion your best video
Honestly Spookston. This was a really cool video and good interview. Thank you for this. Amazing job.
It's amazing how some of the people involved in such amazing programs are not only still with us but also willing to come forward and inform the public about their contributions to national defense. It's always awesome to hear from veterans and civilian contractors and engineers.
I live near APG so I think it’s really neat to hear about this stuff.
Also there is actually an HSTV-L left. There is a picture of it in Anniston Army Depot
I found that picture this was the only one built that I know of. It dont look nothing like what I remember .
I need to post some pictures when we test it at Aberdeen and Ft Knox early 80,s
Spookston: Gets real info about an experimental vehicle.
Gaijin: Yeah we know that we have more influence but.... **Take the Silenced pistol**
Not really, I mean Gaijin just use whatever data available online and make the vehicle worth getting for users. It is currently the best tank in the game bar none.
Fascinating!! Thank you for the excellent content and hard work.
I find it really cool that once this program was cancelled the Canadians started to work on it more under a secret label as a new transport vehicle for JTF2 up until they were shut down by the Canadian government at the request of the Americans...so kinda like the Avro Arrow. Data files on it were purged and the prototype was dismantled. The only reason I know about this is because my dad and uncle were both military engineers put in the project to do the mechanical work on it. (I'm sorry I don't have any files on it as I mentioned they were purged and my dad being a mechanic didn't have access to sneak some out)
Well that's awesome that you got that opportunity. Thanks for sharing and massive respect to your new friend
This was incredible. I am so happy you had a chance to interview someone directly related to the program. That really makes it come to life! I am researching this currently and can't wait to unlock it. I think it will fit well with my playstyle.
i loved this video, great job on bringing this tipe of info to the public.
Spookston you should do one of these on one of the most misunderstood modern tanks in the world,the Merkava.
It would be awesome if you could interview a merkava mk4 or mk3 crewman,favourably a gunner or TC and ask meaningful questions about all the misconceptions about the tank.
Great vid!
I had no knowledge of the HSTV-L other than glancing at it in WT, but this video quite interested me. Excellent content, and bravo to the team that worked on it.
All your HSTV vids are popping up on my recommended lol. no complaints on my behalf
This has to be the best video of this channel by far, actually having someone who worked in a classified program gives better understanding of how that stuff works and how strong military institutions are, hell guessing the armor of a tank by weight detrmined from pictures or info from spies never crossed my mind.
Its a little sad to know that very talented pepole arent very recognized and that some of them passed away without any credit after developing such an incredible piece of engenieering.
This was very fascinating. I hope other engineers are willing to do these kinds of things about different projects (and Personally i would love to see something like this on the XM1. I can't get enough of that vehicle)
Great video! Always great to be able to her from the people who worked with the things we interact with in war thunder!
Wow this is super cool!! I will look forward for these interviews in the future.
Awesome that you were able to make this connection! Absolutely fascinating to get an inside perspective!
I love how the scope of this already-awesome channel keeps expanding and the quality and content keeps improving! Keep up the fantastic work, Spookston!
You know, I'd pay a lot of money to be able to play a War Thunder alternative PC game developed with Spookston as the lead game designer that had everything War Thunder has, except with a focus on mid-to-late Cold War era through modern era armored vehicles, zero microtransactions, and the default game mode being a mix between War Thunder's Realistic and Simulation battle modes, except with a sub-24 hour wait-time on the matches, unlike WT's Sim mode.
No, BR's, no random nerfs or buffs of vehicles, the only way opposing teams should be balanced is by number of spawns allowed per vehicle type, with less powerful (cheaper IRL) vehicles having more free spawns per match.
Hopefully, one day this channel will grow to the point that as a community, we could all work together to make that game a reality. If not, then I'll just keep enjoying the amazing content on this channel! :)
Man. I was excited as hell to see this video... the HSTV-L has to be one of my favorite tanks ever made, perhaps even ever, for a lot of reasons. Spookston, you've done a great job with these kinds of videos so far but this one takes the cake. Getting to talk to one of the engineers on the program? What an honor that is and I really enjoyed hearing about all of this... you've done your part. Now it's our turn to put the coals onto Gaijin to do what needs to be made right and fix the HSTV-L once and for all.
Again, great job, Spookston. Hope you feel better man. Take care.
get well soon spookston and thanks for sharing the information given by the acvt member
This channel is much better than Cone of Arc. You don't dress things up, you don't have lengthy intros, you get straight to the point with consistently reliable and accurate information.
Bro this content is on another level. Wish you post more longer videos. Keep up the good work.
Wow this was amazing, it's stuff like this that makes the internet truly magical. Many thanks to your guest for representing the HSTVL team and bringing us this amazing look into military history and tank design.
I'm kinda skeptical about a few parts. I certainly don't think they are lying, It's not possible to know everything about a project this size. Fantastic that this person got in touch with you and great questions.
The BELIEF that ceramic engines would be perfected certainly existed at that time. Problem is, a few decades on, we know that the tech is nowhere close to being ready for mass production.
The overall reliability being good at the prototype stage? Having been involved with developing new technology, not military or weapons, there's always SOMETHING that's held together with duct tape and string so you can get to testing the major bits. (Because why bother fixing the little things if the big thing doesn't work?) Likely just didn't know all the little details.
Fantastic conversation you had. Reminds me of one of the local gunshows I got to talk to a guy who worked on an autoloading 8" gun for the navy that fired fixed ammunition. The case he had was something like 4-5' long.
Other questions that cross my mind to ask them.
How was maintenance on the gun vs other systems? Time or difficulty?
How often did jams or malfunctions occur and what sort of degraded mode operation was possible?
That was probably the coolest interview I have ever listened too regarding R&D of armored fighting vehicles..... Please tell him thank you for us.
As soon as I saw the vid I gave it a like just because of this maaannsss pure dedication to figuring this tanks true numbers.
I love this style so much! I hope there is more to come!
If the HSTV-L was available for purchase i guess spookston would be the first on queue to aquire it no matter how expensive would be
Great video! Its so cool you were able to get in touch with someone involved in the program
That was awesome. Thanks for sharing!
Wow! This is so cool Spookston!! What an awesome opportunity that he was willing to to reach out and answer some questions. Very cool! Hopefully more opportunities can arise because this was so so cool! Keep up the good work! :)
Would be nice to have some text as well to read what the engineer said during the video, you unfortunately talk sometimes a little fast, causing me to have to rewind the part. ^^;
This is wicked bro. Good job on this and keep it up.
A truly ambitious and impressive project
This is one of my most favorite videos you’ve done, great interview. Made me love the HSTVL more. Wish WT had modeled the proper armor now, though.
This is freaking fantastic... an actual person that worked in the program!
Also, love the use of C&C Generals music, really nice.
Excellent video, short concise and informative. Perfect ty!
Funny how he said that the HSTV-L can defeat T80s and T90s armour while M829A1 fail on T80U and M829A2 fail on T72B-1989
Muh engineer
Yeah 75mm with such power
why do you even bother with 120mm gun why Germans developed 140 and 130mm gun's
@@Glebasik148 Caliber doesn't matter much in the modern era, velocity matters more. By reducing the calibre while still holding the same velocity, you can get a round with better penetration but bad post-penetration damage due to the impact area being less and therefore creating less spall/sherapnel. This is the whole idea behind APFSDS (Armor Piercing Discarding-Sabot Fin Stabalized) rounds, as the actual projectile is way smaller in caliber than the cannon's caliber, hence why they are called "sub-caliber rounds". Its achieved by having a "sabot" around the shell while its in the cannon barrel that discards after its fired mid-air. It achieves more penetration by reducing the contact area while retaining or even increasing the force put on the armor (because it is more aerodynamic).
140mm can pen up to 1m of steel armour
75mm can`t even penetrate a 500mm of steel
hstvl had 280mm of pen
if you talking about railguns then yes but you need to have really long shells to compensate for loss of mass
@@Glebasik148 What you are saying is correct, but unless you are in an bunker busting role 500mm and 1000mm is the same considering the maximum (effective) thickness of tank armour is going to be 300mm. And considering that it has much greater firerate, both has its ups and downs. However, any cannon above 125mm of caliber is really just impractical and wouldnt make significant difference while adding logistical and reliability problems.
what an honor to get email from someone working on HSTV-L :D
This was amazing, thankyou so much
Its always cool to hear first hand accounts from people who work on these projects
Ok but is nobody gonna talk about that drifting Leopard at the beginning?
Excellent work! Very informative!
Thanks for the awesome interview and information
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Tank : *DEJA VU,I HAVE BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE*
Amazing that you found someone that worked on the testing vehical
Great vid walking through the what the vehicle could actually do in real life. Also, love that there's C&C generals theme playing in the background :D
Thank you heaps for this. Really interesting. Id loved to know more.
It's incredible to have a direct conversation with such a cool person. Thank you for the cool video!
I was actually wondering about this vehicle Thank you for covering it and also give our best regards to that dude
Next video: Reviving the HSTV-L program
Next video: if the HSTV-L engineer was historically accurate
Wow this is incredible that you have had this opportunity please tell this guy thank you for me and I wish his comrades well
Spookston when trying to go one day without complaining about the HSTV-L
That’s pretty cool how you got to interview an actual engineer from that program. More videos like this would be awesome
super interesting video, as always
such an awesome and complex tank. Nice video!
If developed further and less costly, the gun, and the tank itself would have been truly deadly.
This was really cool! I hope you get to talk with more engineers like this in the future!
I enjoy the fact that the recording equipment was less reliable than the entire tank itself.
Very interesting to hear from someone who was there
Really cool and informative, thank you.
The CIA gathered their weight from military parades and then extrapolated that into armor thickness? w h a t
more weight= usually means more armor
granted its relatively same size and whatnot
@@JohnDoe-yc6ox right i'm just trying to figure out what kind of insane dark magic math they're doing to get a vehicles weight just by watching it drive around
@@garrett707 ye ikr its crazy what they can get out of an image..... i mean still crazy though, I thought you needed like at least 105mm + to penetrate the t80u’s frontal armor. I guess not? Since they claim 90mm is good enough?
@@JohnDoe-yc6ox They may have also have insider intel in the engines used and so were after looking at the speed of the tank and comparing it to the horsepower of the engine, they were able to get the weight of the tank. We know that weight is unevenly divided between frontal armour and side armour( assuming its frontal armour is the about the same percentage of its weight as the previous model tank) so factoring in that and you can get a close estimate of the frontal armour.
This is an amazing video spooks! Amazing!