Jaguar's Awful GT Program?
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2023
- Jaguar is a legendary manufacturer in sportscar racing and have won everything under the sun in the world of endurance racing. However, a GT2 effort in the early 2010's didn't have the same success.
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Emile Frey raced a pair of GT3 Jaguars in Blancpain GT Championship. They did look into buying the GT2 cars but it was too much of a gamble, condition,spec, what would be needed to make them GT3 worthy, also safe. Instead they built their own.
A good follow up video topic to this would be Michel Hommell's private and not very successful 24h of Le Mans GT1 effort with an Aston Martin DB7. His Berlinette road cars are pretty quirky and obscure too. Or, more fittingly, Group 44's factory backed Jaguar XJS Trans Am racer.
Same guy who took the Bugatti EB110 to the 1994 Le-Mans?
@@MrMcKane I believe that was a fully factory-controlled operation.
Group44 was pretty damn successful with almost everything they did.
XJR Moniker is attributed to Group 44
Didn't know about this but sounds like a cool story to do some research on.
This is a really fascinating story, one of the several GT2/GTE cars from around 2010 that most people nowadays have forgotten about.
It would be interesting if you did another video like this on the Lotus GTE effort from 2011, or the Lamborghini GT2 effort from around the same time as well
Lambo had an early 2010' GT2 effort?! Never heard of this
@@pedrozanon7245 Yup, a Murciélago if I remember correctly. Didn't go great, just like every Lamborghini racecar until the Huracan
@@aojracing4885 Both the Jag and the Lambo were in the original Grid ( Jag DLC though). The Jag was also in Real Racing 2
@@KingofWolves3277 The original Grid is a fantastic game. Never got the DLC though
Battery tender lotus?? >:O
19:46 Da Matta was still suffering from his crash at Road America, he took some degree of permanent brain damage and was getting dizzy behind the wheel, even throwing up after leave the car. This is why he never raced again.
Ah ok, that might be a good explanation as to why. Would be great to see him race again if he can do so without doing himself any potential harm.
Well at least Emil Frey had a more successful campaign using Jaguar in SRO Series
@@JimmyBlandfood i definitely don’t agree. GTWC Europe is becoming one of the most exciting series right now with factory drivers and manufacturers
@@JimmyBlandfood Well SRO races at least care a bit less about Manufacturers when Mclaren Ferrari and Lambo sometimes have winning chances compared to the usual dominant German ones
Unlike NLS DTM and ADAC GT lol
I remember seeing that beautiful car finish second overall in its final race in Barcelona 2018. It was awesome.
And the fictional 'gr3' version in gran turismo sport and gt7,personally it's one of the best looking gr3 cars
It was a joy to watch it fly around circuits
One thing is for sure here- Jaguar as a brand has a sort of mystical effect on motorsports fans. Something intangible draws us in and it may just be the beauty of the metalwork. We will try to do our part.
The car also had an "interesting" feature. If you pulled back the brake bias lever (the thing looked like something you'd see in WRC) the mandatory restrictor was pulled up and gave the engine a huge power boost. Thus the high trap speeds
That's an amazing thing I didn't know about when researching this video, thanks for mentioning.
Seen a few XKR race cars around the 2010's, always sounded incredible. Pretty sure I only saw the GT3 version of the XKR though, definitely a much more successful car. I did once see a homemade XF racecar running in Britcar one year. Jag make some really awesome sounding engines.
It may not be succesful, but the Jaguar XKR GT car was just stunning! It was the prettiest car on the grid IMO, with the original design put to paper by the guy designing both the 90s DB7 and the Ford Puma. It looked like a smaller DBR9.
That Jaguar was certainly a fantastic looking car for sure.
It's a shame this car wasn't more successful. It's a gorgeous car that sounds amazing.
This thing even entered the Blancpain Endurance series from 2012-2017 by Emil Frey However there was not much success other than finishing 8th overall in 2015
90% sure that was either a completely different car or very heavily modified for GT3 Competition. Still a facinating car/etry though
@@jackarmstrong7285 Yes, that was the Jaguar XK Emil Frey G3. That was made by Emil Frey themselves without Jag support, and did actually grab 3 wins, which is more than the XKR crew can say.
No it did not. That was a different car and it had a few wins
As the other commentators have said, Emil Frey didnt use the car from this video but rather a completely different one built by themselves. It was used until 2018 and had a brillant last year when it won the championship in the Silver Cup and even was near the front overall
I really enjoy watching the XKR compete in ALMS, they sounded absolutely amazing
I'm perhaps not surprised with an engine like that, that it would sound fantastic.
"Paul Gentilozzi" O H B O Y that's a story.
Honestly, a follow-up to this could also include the Lotus Evora, back when Lotus was bent on turning the Evora into a GTE and GT4 car. Jetalliance had a miserable time with the car in the ILMC, and Alex Job Racing had a somewhat less miserable time, but still wasn't great.
Better known as "Paul Gentil-owes-me" by more than a few in the motorsports world...
Evora gte?God I would love that thing
Knowing nothing about this I’d love to here about it.
I can certainly have a look into the Evora GTE if people want to see it.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 sounds like there’s a story to be told 😃
If any Manufacture or Racing Team is complaining about ''having a rough season'' they have to watch this
Although not Jaguar backed, XKR has been racing in GT class events for the past decade and even recently, although i barely know anything about it, but every year I've watched GT races a blue one seems to pop-up in one or two events per year
the Emil Frey Jag was raced until 2018 and was very successful that year
What Robin tales fighter said in the comments, do more videos on "forgotten" GT cars. The knowledge you bring is top notch! I don't know how I found your channel, but I'm glad I did!
Glad you're enjoying the videos! I would happily do further videos on similar forgotten GT cars if people want to see it, despite the huge amount of time they take to do.
There was an XKR in British GT around 2010 ish I think, a grey one. Then there's the Emil Frey car ran in the Blancpain GT team which was decent.
Great video. About time someone got into the lesser successes of motor racing that isn’t focused on F1. This would make a great stream to run in parallel with street track failures. There’s so many cars/ teams across the back bone of motorsports that barely got going or had any form of success.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Emil Frey Racing Jaguars in the Blancpain series. I was led to believe that they were either these former jaguars or built by the same people but modified to GT3 specifications through the G8 rule in Belgiums/ SRO GT3 regulations.
Glad you enjoyed the video! I guess I didn't mention about the Emil Frey Jaguar's because I felt that story went along it's own path and is perhaps something I might do a video on in the future.
I doubt Jaguar was really involved with it. AFAIK even the Emil Frey GT3 Jaguars never got any support with the development being handled by the team itself. The Platform seemed to have potential, but they've ultimatively switched to Huracans.
* Ferrari.
@@aitch8237 ?
@@MadIIMike The have moved over to Ferrari now.
Great video! Really enjoyed this. Another vote for more videos on forgotten GT racers like this and the Lotus Evora GTE. And I love the long form videos like this. Beats rushing or cutting out info just to fit a 5-10min.
I’d bet Gentlozzi still owes people money from this project given that’s how he rolls.
I remember sitting in the GT3 version of this car at the Emil Frey factory, it really is something different.
Hey TyDye, I really like your videos about Street Track Failures, and I would really like you to do an episode about the Anhembi circuit in São Paulo (the state where I live) which hosted the Indy 300 between 2012 and 2013. It would be interesting to know a little more about this circuit that brought a very cool end to 2013!
I wish you a lot of success and growth on UA-cam, hugs from Brazil.
Thanks for the very kind words, always helps with motivation! That track will more than likely feature in this series at some point.
We now have a *new* generation of GT2; a class based on the newer-wave of high-performance One-Make race cars. The two core machines that serve as the backbone of the new GT2 class are the Ferrari 488 Challenge Evoluzione & the Lamborghini Huracan Super Trofeo Evoluzione.
Since the introduction of this class, Audi, Porsche and KTM have introduced cars for this new iteration of GT2. Perhaps it's worth doing an introductory video on this new class and go over the differences between it, the old GT2/GTE and GT3?
Pretty sure the new GT2s (Porsche, Audi, KTM) predate the bastadised one make racers entering...
@@speedymouse2859 I think it's kind of a "chicken and egg" scenario, similar to GT3; the category wouldn't exist without cup car classes setting the precedent.
@@legoferrari14 not quite, the whole point of GT2 is a car at a level similar to GT3 thru more weight but more power and less aero designed specifically for amateur drivers, single make racers only feature thanks to some drivers wanting to be in the category but using their existing machinery. It's a GT class with a specific focus and predates the Huracan ST and 488 Challenges even being thought of (Lambo has stated they'd build a car specific to GT2). If it were merely a home for single make racers to compete you wouldn't see the R8 GT2 or Porsche being fielded over amped up 911 Cups.
I'm not sure if I'd count the 488 challenge as a "backbone". It only competed in two races as an invitational car.
I think "inspiration" would be a better way to put it
Today in Formula E, Jaguar got both cars on the podium. Having seen that, then just now finding out about this, it seems that this particular program was a bruh moment and that Jaguar are capable of competitive factory efforts. I really wonder what changed between then and now that led to them being not-shit at it, unless it really was just a difference in commitment.
Jumping on the trend of green electric vehicles is much more appealing nowadays, also the electric racing category is still relatively scant so there's always the lure of jumping in early and leading the charge.
I'd love to see them build either a Le Mans Hypercar/LMDh or a GT3-spec F-Type one day.
Marc Goossens raced this ?
Marc these days races Euro Nascar and competes with Porsches in Belcar (our national GT championship). He is also one of the main analisists for our provider's sports channel for F1... And unfortunately those races have been payed only since last year.
Great video, your video is top notch.
If possible, can you make a video about the failed Longboi Nissan GTR LM program? Yes it's a lot shorter than the Jaguar program you did but that Nissan still sticks in my mind how weird and ballsy the car was made.
I can certainly look into doing a video about that if people want to see it. Glad you enjoyed the video!
It is sad that Jaguar does not have an entry in the GT -3. They are nice looking in racing trim and sound great.
The topics you come up with are really interesting and a lot of times completely obscure to me which I find interesting. I learn something new everytime I watch your vids
I'm always glad that I'm able to help introduce people to forgotten and hopefully interesting moments in motorsport.
Ryan Dalziel was on the Dinner with Racers podcast and wasn't very positive about this car. I think he said the car was very poorly built and that Jaguar wasn't involved. He wasn't too clear on it as he kind of steered out of discussing this project. At least that's what I remember. I could be wrong.
What is interesting is that Gran Turismo Sport/7 has a fictional GT3 car, which is the Jaguar F-Type. If Jaguar wants a GT3 program in IMSA, they could make that car come to life.
Only problem is the interior but that can be solved easily
I would definitely be happy to see a GT3 F-Type Jaguar race in any series.
I have an Airfix model of this car. There was also a GT3 version ran by Emil Frey with better results.
I think I've got a Folland Gnat made by Airfix. It's tiny.
For you young cats out there. Paul Gentilozzi is also a Cleveland legend having won at the airport and a flats legend as well lol
The Jag XKR wasn’t a winner but it was a great looking GT2 car. Gentilozzi had it at Road Atlanta one year, around 2010 maybe.
I would love to see this kind of bio for any of the imsa/alms teams!
If it's something that people would like to see, then I'd be interested in doing so.
Two Jaguar XKR's were fielded in the British GT3 series in 2007, Nos 46 & 47.
Great video! Should start a series of vids like this. Spyker Squadron would be a cool one
Good video. The Jaguar just looks slow in every single bit of video footage I've seen. Reminds me of the Bykolles LMP1, which has always looked slow, even in person.
You sound liker Chris Packham... Great video by the way. :) glad it came up in my feed as it has given me a new channel to watch as well.
Thanks for the compliment! I really like watching Chris, a great presenter. Glad you enjoyed the video!
How about a video on the murculago gt2 and the Ford gt gt2. Never knew they raced on the category. Was BOP available at that time. They could have used the help
I don't know regarding Balance of Performance at the time. Stijn Paspont did a great video going over the Lamborghini GT1 car. I might have a look at the Ford GT GT2 effort though if people would be interested.
Good video. I guess it went as expected for a modern-ish Jag xD Shame because I loved this car's livery so much I made it on GT Sport and GT7 and used it on my F-Type GT3 car
Great video, dude!
Wish you talked about the Bitter-Chrysler GT1.
A really interesting car in my opinion.
Glad you enjoyed the video! I might do some research on that car for sure.
Really enjoyed this long form video, hopefully there will be more to come
These won't be regular due to how long this took to do, however hopefully more will be done in the future.
Really interesting video, I always had a bit of a soft spot for this car when watching on Motors TV, and of course it got catapulted into the spotlight for being one of the GT cars in Forza Motorsport 3 and 4.
I really hope the person who bought the Le Mans chassis does enter Masters Endurance Legends, as it looks amazing!
In wich way i have to think about the Jaguar XK Emil Frey G3? Can somebody explain a little bit about it?
Jaguar production V8 supercharge engines from the era have HUGE cooling problems and electrical problems so it does not surprise me that that team had so many problems. I’m sure Jaguar knew it back then and pulled the plug eventually.
Definitely was a looker in the GT2 class at least.
I got hooked to the edge of my sofa once because the zip of the cushion got caught in my cardigan
I remember driving this car a few times in Forza 4. Its pace was okay, I messed with the setup a bit... But engine/drivetrain ran flawlessly. No failures whatsoever. Jaguar must have finally come around to backing the car.
Glad to see such a brilliant channel growing. Keep it up dude!!
Thanks for the very high praise. I'll do my best to keep the quality as high as I can and always look for improvement.
I saw that Lambo GT2... Next video of the series perhaps? 🤔
Maybe on the GT2 car. Not the GT1 though, as Stijn Paspont covered that effort brilliantly in one of his videos.
We really need an F-Type GT3 à la Jaguar F-Type Gr.3 in Gran Turismo
Would be cool to see a small vid on the jaguar gt3 run in Blancpain, as others have already mentioned. Either way, atleast it had a glorious v8
I would certainly do a video on it if people were interested.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 I´d certainly be interested, was a huge fand of the Emil Frey Jag
There was a worse GT2 at that time in the ALMS which was the Yokohama Lamborghini Gallardo GT2.
Who remember one of last racing Jaguar XKR-S from Emil Frey
I'd love to see jaguar return to GT class racing, with the new F-Type perhaps.
I don't care what anyone else says, that livery is incredibly nostalgic to me because of Real Racing 2.
It's an awesome looking car for definite.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 and it’s a shame the car sucked because Jaguar has been known to make some great cars.
I can even tell you that Jaguar was planning to come back to Le Mans in LMP1 with a car built and ran by Lola. The engine was supposed to be the one of the GT2 but this mess brought all those programs to an end unfortunately....
Considering both the success of Rocketsports as a team before they joined up with Jaguar, and the success Jaguar had in GT racing in the past with iconic names like Group 44 and Tom Walkinshaw Racing, this effort truly was a joke.
can we get an extended video about the emil frey XKR GT3 effort? which was a lot more successful
Man, i only remember ruthly that Jaguar was a Open Wheel Formular 1 Team in the Early 20`s too. They had such a unique deisgn and i totaly loved it. Sadly that they aren`t actively participaiting in any racing anymore.
Didn´t Jaguar also tried to homologate the XKR as a GT3 car and failed before this?
That was pretty much derailed by Richard Lloyd's (Apex Motorsports) plane crash.
Also, before this one, there was another halfway commited GT3 project (Apex?) that died with David Leslie. They should have asked Aston Martin to do their engine (same origin).
Oh yeah i just remember Emil Frey racing also is one of the first team that run the R-CF GT3 if i remember correctly
8:28 just like every Jaguar I've owned... sitting on the side of the road pissing coolant.
At least the airjacks worked
Would love to see a video on Hyundai's rally effort from 1999-2003
Was this the chassis used by Apex racing GT3 xk?
could you do a video about lotus exige and evora in Le Mans? :))
^ agreed. What the hell happened there?
Enjoying your background music as a Cody Ko fan.
Seems pretty clear that Jaguar needed to be convinced at this point, because Tata had just brought the company back from the brink of collapse. The fact that RSR probably didn't have the budget to hire drivers who could match up to the others teams probably cost them results in 2011, which meant the factory was no longer interested.
Shouldn't the factory have been involved with driver budget?
@@DirtyJaguarRacing I think the video touches on this at the end too, but this entire project screams privateer. RSR probably wanted to build the car and managed to get some light sponsorship from the factory, but I doubt Jaguar would have gone to a relatively small US team for a factory effort.
I don't know why they didn't make a F-Type GT3 car, has the potential to be really good, and good sounding.
This is should be inspired in racing movie About a struggle race team who keep failing an at the end they become success
As an American, I could never adequately describe just how much I love the British.
Americans are all like, "Jaguar is a two syllable word"
And the Brits are all like, "Nah, ihh tisnt, mate."
Don't ever change.
Hey man, great video. You can tell how much work went into it, really enjoyed! +1 Sub for you
Glad you enjoyed the video! The subscription is greatly appreciated of course. It certainly took a long time to do, however the response has been worth the time and effort for sure.
sounds like it was half factory backed with the "technical and marketing support", they provided some things for the privateer team, but most of the lifting had to be done by the team themselves
The Emil Frey Jaguar in the Blaincpain GT series was competitive against that field. Even with a "silver" driver pairing they were consistently fighting in the top 10 and towards the end of its development it was fighting for race victories (2018)
I'm actually more than a little surprised that you would completely leave that out. Yes their first foray into the GT ranks wasn't all that successful, but the 2nd time around was much more noteworthy.. weird to leave it out
Can anyone tell me what the corner is at 1:33?
I don't know what it was called, however it was part of the old layout of Sonoma.
I might be wrong but I think it's called the bus stop.
On track performance may have been lacking, but it was a gorgeous looking race car. One of Ian Callum's best.
Was certainly a great looking car for sure.
I like how they could barely keep one car running so they decided to enter two cars in one of the longest races in the ALMS series
I wish these were added to GT Sport instead of the F Type gr3
I love the looks and livery ! too bad there not racing anymore...
If I could sum up this car journey, it would be that lady luck has turned her back on this car given the multitude of bad luck happening to it. If they get the full 6 hours of Laguna Seca testing done as well as finish the first couple of rounds of the American LeMans Championship races (by finish I mean finish the entire race) without any reliability problem even if they are not in the top 10 to give them more data, then it could be a good GT2 car given how much it has improved over with the limited time they had, furthermore it would gave them much added confident to race the 24 hour of LeMans.
Aston Martin DTM programm would be cool video!
We need a " gt challenge porshes" counter
Great video, would love more like this about these shortlived cars
Glad you enjoyed the video! I'd certainly do more if people were interested, albeit they won't be very regular as they take a long time to do.
Wow! That car looks like they don't touch at all the unibody constructions at all, they just slap body kits anf wings and away they go (a well researched body kits and wings design as stated innthe video)
Even Scuderia Ferrari have better mechanical luck than this holy damn
Car in the thumbnail was one of my favorite to use in Forza 4 lol it just looks nice
I just bought it in FM4 today due to this video lol
But the Emil Frey Jaguar in the GT world challenge was good 😎 , i know it's not 100% the same car but yeah
Thank you for making this great video.
What about the Emil Frey Jaguar XKR's?
Devolved by that team because of how badly the GT2 program went. They now race Lambo’s 🤗
Technically, not a Jag and also weren't factory supported
I might look into the Emil Frey Jaguar's, were really cool cars to watch.
i think there GT3 version was much better... Shout out to Larry perkins (v8supercars god) doing Lemans in the Jag and i think peter brock joined him too :D (i think) awsome video mate
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Jesus Christ. They seemed to have the kind of reliability you'd expect from racing four decades previously.
Ah, my favorite manufacturer... *Corvette*
Then what about the XKR-S GT3???
Just proves that having a reliable working car is kinda key.
It may not have been very successful but it sure was pretty
IMHO it looks like they were just partially supported by Jaguar, if the company really wanted to get some top-rankings, they should have gone full blast and sort out the mechanical and other reliability issues.
On the other hand, don't forget what a mess the Scuderia Ferrari was when Michael Schumacher became their driver, he had to reorganise that with Ross Brawn and Jean Todt first and had problems like the mechanics were strolling around after finishing their lunch.
And Jaguar's XJR sportscars were successful, so they sorted out a lot of issues, however, they didn't do it alone but together with Tom Walkinshaw Racing (TWR).
The Lister Storm (GT) was successful in it's later years around 2000 (however in the mid-90s it also wasn't very successful) and it uses a 7 litre Jaguar V12; sounds like Alpina, they began as a BMW tuner and co-developed the 3.0 CSL when BMW decided to do later projects on their own and founded the ///M GmbH.
To be honest, despite the car being just as unreliable as an Alpine F1, the drivers didn't help much by crashing into others and getting penalties
what are these prototypes that we see blasting past the GT's ? i genuenly don't know , what are these ? what manufacturer make these ?
i have to know more about ALMS and WEC of the 2000's
Oh boy are you in for a treat. They are Lolas, HPDs (Honda/Acura), Aston Martin (Lola chassis), ORECAs. They 2000s saw privateer P1 and P2 cars racing against manufacturer backed cars like Audi, Porsche, Peugeot, etc
There's literally so many prototypes from this era of sports car racing people don't even know 😂. I have about 130ish different prototype mods in Assetto Corsa from between the years 2006-2013. Granted some of them are like... here's a Lola B12/60 with a Toyota engine and here's one with a Mazda, but you know. There's shitloads of hidden history from this era of sports car racing that I personally just love and that's why I prefer 2008-2013 ALMS over the more popular 1998-2008 that people seem to enjoy
@@alexda6789 You have Discord? I have a ton of AC 2000s Sportscar mods that youd probably love :D