Thanks Jon, one of the rare UA-cam instructors that realises that not everyone leads with the left arm! "Lead wrist" works a lot better for us lefties, than having to constantly convert---"left wrist means right wrist........." 😁
Certainly not a bad idea, most great golfers are slightly inside there backswing line on the downswing and the clubhead would be closer to you (narrower) due to the angle in the wrists. Ie wider back and narrowing in the downswing
An open face would definitely need more wrist hinge and forearm rotation to square, so the stronger the face angle the slower the clubface closure that is needed 👍🏻
Thanks Jon for all of your videos. I hope you have saved my golfing life. I have played with a cupped wrist for 66 years with a single digit hcp most of my life. I injured my ulnar side of my wrist so when the pain goes away I will give your instruction a go. I will have to have stiff wrist though impact and use my lower body to release the club. Does this sound logical to you? Thank you.
Good luck with the come back Ray. Yes a flatter or bowed wrist will mean a stronger clubface and therefore a slower rate of closure through impact (achieved by body with less hand flip)
Nice drill. I can do this with my practise swing but not with the actual shot. I revert back to cupping/club across the line/too steep on downswing when I put a ball in front of me. Any reason why this is and how can I cure this mental issue?
There could be a number of reasons, other things in the backswing causing it. I would really need to see your swing in an online lesson to properly comment
Bowing the left wrist in the takeaway is necessary when the swing plane is as steep as shown in this video. Ben Hogan, Lee Trevino, Moe Norman and George Knudson, used much shorter, flatter lie angles that makes supinating the right forearm in DS natural and leads to a flat or raised, left wrist in flexion at impact.
I get the same feeling, that I’m shorting the backswing with a flat lead wrist. But from what I read from an earlier post, it’s ok. I’ll keep at it. Thanks
Any chance you could explain Pete Cowan’s axe drill in combination with what you say here. I do struggle with the relevance of wrist position at the top of the backswing. Everyone holds up Dustin Johnston as an example of a bent right wrist but that angle is lost as he comes into impact and indeed his left wrist looks cupped in his finish. Regardless of wrist position at the top doesn’t the square club face require arm rotation rather than body rotation.
Hi David, I’ll look at a follow up video. DJ’s wrist stays in flexion in the downswing, forcing his body to rotate harder and slow the rate of closure (hand action) his wish may look more “cupped” post impact but this hasn’t happened pre impact.
Brilliant thanks. One other observation. DJ hits a fade with his driver. To do that he needs a face angle which is open to the direction of his swing. At the top of his backswing his face couldn’t be anymore closed so doesn’t he have to be “opening” as he swings down. Thanks again.
Great instruction again Jon. I'm having some success with this in the back garden hitting Airflow balls, though I think the neighbour is getting a little annoyed with me - must be the constant pinging noise as the ball rebounds off the house wall. Just hope I can take it to the course; the move not the house!
So when i do this it feels as though my back swing has shortened substantially. Is this the normal feeling one should have as it tends to change your swing a bit. Ive had a slightly cupped wrist at the top. Like if i was holding a hammer to pound a nail. Not extreme but not flat either. Ive got my left arm to straighten as well through practice but still slicing the ball. Just not as much since correcting my left arm and right elbow close to my body. But as i said, trying to keep the left wrist flat feels awkward, as it should, during my backswing. Thanks for thr video.
It’s normal to shorten the swing length. It shouldn’t reduce the amount of turn just stop the club overrunning at the top and therefore downswing sequence!
@@TruGolfAcademy thanks for the response. Just another thing to get used to. My body definitely has more turn. Thank you again for the info you supply to us hackers. Lol
Jon can you help with this mental problem I have over putting the drill into a normal swing. When I do the drill which I,m quite ok with the arms and hands esp the wrists end up in a somewhat strained artificial position ,quite understandably given the nature of the drill. When I try to put it into practice on a normal full swing knowing that the wrists have to release and the arms bend .at some late point I go back to flipping again or completely mistime it
In practice, make sure you break 10 technical drill swings with 10 natural. Making the new moves at a slower pace full swing are also really helpful. Make sure you video every at least 4 swings throughout the practice to check rather than just trusting feel. I’m not sure what parts you’re talking about with your comment however. Flipping at impact? Closing the face or adding loft? Worth checking your working on the right areas and you can physically make the moves! Happy to take a look online if I can help?
@TruGolfAcademy sorry to have confused you with my query. my fault entirely. the drill was "how to get your hands ahead of the ball at impact" . this is where Jon is hitting a 6 iron with the ball opposite his lead heel as for driver. I really like this drill as I am an inveterate scooper or flipper at impact so the same query remains. I think I inadvertanty skipped to your next video by mistake when sending my question Apologies again.
This is so much on the money👍..One thing though! Keep the club on plane as the initial adress. Let arms shoulders and club travel 1:1 to about right leg before you turn the corner. Great vid!
There are a number of great golfers that are / were cupped at the top but move the lead wrist into flexion during the transition. The point is, for the majority of golfers, it will be easier if the lead wrist is flatter at the top. You are however correct, impact isn’t what matters 👍🏻
I'll be honest Jon, I tend to take the club back so the face is square or even closed (pointing down) yet I still slightly cup at the top. Secondly I can do the same thing and be laid off so my shaft/cane ( if i used one like you suggest) would be pointing out at the ball with a cupped wrist... These drills might work for some golfers, but I am not so sure they'd work for all....
Tony Thompson hi, yes i can see why you might check that, good point. But no it doesnt make a noticable difference if i am weak or strong, i am quite neutral, with right hand.
TruGolf Academy hi, yes that's right. What I am saying is with the club face more down at say first parallel, doesnt result in a neutral or flat left wrist at the top for me. Good videos though keep them coming. :-)
Thanks Dave. A “square” face in the takeaway would be the leading edge at spine angle so the face should be slightly down. If the lead shoulder works down under chin (creating some side bend) the lead wrist is more likely to be flat. As you said before the key however is the downswing / impact. There is more than one way of getting it done ✅
For another perspective on the importance of the lead wrist to be flat (or not as the case may be) have a watch. ua-cam.com/video/MAciLzEV3YA/v-deo.html
Thanks Jon, one of the rare UA-cam instructors that realises that not everyone leads with the left arm! "Lead wrist" works a lot better for us lefties, than having to constantly convert---"left wrist means right wrist........." 😁
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Excellent!!
Really enjoyed the cane into the side and in front at the top something for me to look into cheers
A great total swing drill!
Thank you Jon. Does anything change if I am playing a fade? And, is there anything additional I have to do or not do?
Just open body and swing more left if a right hander. I wouldn’t change the wrist as this effects the face
Thanks for that Jon, on the downswing should you feel like you’re tracing the same path as the backswing ?
Certainly not a bad idea, most great golfers are slightly inside there backswing line on the downswing and the clubhead would be closer to you (narrower) due to the angle in the wrists. Ie wider back and narrowing in the downswing
Doing this, should I feel minimal hand and wrist movement in the takeaway and downswing, and feel more with arms syncing with body turn?
An open face would definitely need more wrist hinge and forearm rotation to square, so the stronger the face angle the slower the clubface closure that is needed 👍🏻
Thanks Jon for all of your videos. I hope you have saved my golfing life. I have played with a cupped wrist for 66 years with a single digit hcp most of my life. I injured my ulnar side of my wrist so when the pain goes away I will give your instruction a go. I will have to have stiff wrist though impact and use my lower body to release the club. Does this sound logical to you? Thank you.
Good luck with the come back Ray. Yes a flatter or bowed wrist will mean a stronger clubface and therefore a slower rate of closure through impact (achieved by body with less hand flip)
Nice drill. I can do this with my practise swing but not with the actual shot. I revert back to cupping/club across the line/too steep on downswing when I put a ball in front of me. Any reason why this is and how can I cure this mental issue?
There could be a number of reasons, other things in the backswing causing it. I would really need to see your swing in an online lesson to properly comment
Bowing the left wrist in the takeaway is necessary when the swing plane is as steep as shown in this video.
Ben Hogan, Lee Trevino, Moe Norman and George Knudson, used much shorter, flatter lie angles
that makes supinating the right forearm in DS natural and leads to a flat or raised, left wrist in flexion at impact.
I get the same feeling, that I’m shorting the backswing with a flat lead wrist. But from what I read from an earlier post, it’s ok. I’ll keep at it.
Thanks
Absolutely, keep up the practice 👍🏼
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Any chance you could explain Pete Cowan’s axe drill in combination with what you say here. I do struggle with the relevance of wrist position at the top of the backswing. Everyone holds up Dustin Johnston as an example of a bent right wrist but that angle is lost as he comes into impact and indeed his left wrist looks cupped in his finish. Regardless of wrist position at the top doesn’t the square club face require arm rotation rather than body rotation.
Hi David, I’ll look at a follow up video. DJ’s wrist stays in flexion in the downswing, forcing his body to rotate harder and slow the rate of closure (hand action) his wish may look more “cupped” post impact but this hasn’t happened pre impact.
Brilliant thanks. One other observation. DJ hits a fade with his driver. To do that he needs a face angle which is open to the direction of his swing. At the top of his backswing his face couldn’t be anymore closed so doesn’t he have to be “opening” as he swings down. Thanks again.
I would say he just holds the face off, his hands lead the club, more supernation of left palm and pro of right.
Great instruction again Jon. I'm having some success with this in the back garden hitting Airflow balls, though I think the neighbour is getting a little annoyed with me - must be the constant pinging noise as the ball rebounds off the house wall. Just hope I can take it to the course; the move not the house!
😂 Hows it been on the course Andrew?
So when i do this it feels as though my back swing has shortened substantially. Is this the normal feeling one should have as it tends to change your swing a bit. Ive had a slightly cupped wrist at the top. Like if i was holding a hammer to pound a nail. Not extreme but not flat either. Ive got my left arm to straighten as well through practice but still slicing the ball. Just not as much since correcting my left arm and right elbow close to my body. But as i said, trying to keep the left wrist flat feels awkward, as it should, during my backswing. Thanks for thr video.
It’s normal to shorten the swing length. It shouldn’t reduce the amount of turn just stop the club overrunning at the top and therefore downswing sequence!
@@TruGolfAcademy thanks for the response. Just another thing to get used to. My body definitely has more turn. Thank you again for the info you supply to us hackers. Lol
Jon can you help with this mental problem I have over putting the drill into a normal swing. When I do the drill which I,m quite ok with the arms and hands esp the wrists end up in a somewhat strained artificial position ,quite understandably given the nature of the drill. When I try to put it into practice on a normal full swing knowing that the wrists have to release and the arms bend .at some late point I go back to flipping again or completely mistime it
In practice, make sure you break 10 technical drill swings with 10 natural. Making the new moves at a slower pace full swing are also really helpful.
Make sure you video every at least 4 swings throughout the practice to check rather than just trusting feel.
I’m not sure what parts you’re talking about with your comment however. Flipping at impact? Closing the face or adding loft?
Worth checking your working on the right areas and you can physically make the moves!
Happy to take a look online if I can help?
@TruGolfAcademy sorry to have confused you with my query. my fault entirely. the drill was "how to get your hands ahead of the ball at impact" . this is where Jon is hitting a 6 iron with the ball opposite his lead heel as for driver. I really like this drill as I am an inveterate scooper or flipper at impact so the same query remains. I think I inadvertanty skipped to your next video by mistake when sending my question Apologies again.
This is so much on the money👍..One thing though! Keep the club on plane as the initial adress. Let arms shoulders and club travel 1:1 to about right leg before you turn the corner. Great vid!
Many thanks 🙏
Ben Hogan had a cupped left wrist at the top of the swing and flat at impact. So, don’t worry about the wrist except at impact.
There are a number of great golfers that are / were cupped at the top but move the lead wrist into flexion during the transition. The point is, for the majority of golfers, it will be easier if the lead wrist is flatter at the top. You are however correct, impact isn’t what matters 👍🏻
You like that move for irons as well?
Yep, method always very similar just set up changing
Is that the same move with the flat wrist for irons
Absolutely 👍🏼
I'll be honest Jon, I tend to take the club back so the face is square or even closed (pointing down) yet I still slightly cup at the top. Secondly I can do the same thing and be laid off so my shaft/cane ( if i used one like you suggest) would be pointing out at the ball with a cupped wrist... These drills might work for some golfers, but I am not so sure they'd work for all....
Check your right hand grip (if right handed golfer) is not to weak and too much on top of shaft
Tony Thompson hi, yes i can see why you might check that, good point. But no it doesnt make a noticable difference if i am weak or strong, i am quite neutral, with right hand.
Do you mean the takeaway position in the first part of your comment Dave?
TruGolf Academy hi, yes that's right. What I am saying is with the club face more down at say first parallel, doesnt result in a neutral or flat left wrist at the top for me. Good videos though keep them coming. :-)
Thanks Dave. A “square” face in the takeaway would be the leading edge at spine angle so the face should be slightly down. If the lead shoulder works down under chin (creating some side bend) the lead wrist is more likely to be flat. As you said before the key however is the downswing / impact. There is more than one way of getting it done ✅
For another perspective on the importance of the lead wrist to be flat (or not as the case may be) have a watch. ua-cam.com/video/MAciLzEV3YA/v-deo.html
I just realized this a week ago...I am golf nut! Just saying...😉
It's not simple if I have to incorporate a prop
Just to get the feel initially but I get your point
Lead wrist how about just left or right
But not everyone plays with right handed clubs!?
TruGolf Academy surely most ppl has a left and right hand ?