The Panasonic S5 II - It's still hard for me to switch for ONE reason
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- The Panasonic S5II and S5IIX appear to be some of the best value hybrid cameras that money can buy. In my last video we talked about a funny problem with the cameras, but this time we talk about a real problem.
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I don't get your lens argument, the s5ii can be Super35 as well if u want to. full frame is just an added advantage. Sigma 16 f1.4 also available in l mount
As someone who uses adapted Canon glasses on my S5s, the lens issues doesn't matter. And then the most important thing to me, I just saw a review that showed the PDAF works on adapted Canon glasses on the S5ii. Canon glasses are one of the most cheapest complete lenses you can get, and to know that it'll work on the S5ii, any doubts I had about copping it is just not there anymore. The weight thing, it's full frame lenses against apsc lenses, they're not specific to S5ii.
While I respect your opinion and will agree that you’re highlighting what can be considered good advice for budget conscious individuals… this is kinda an apples/oranges debate. Larger sensors require larger lenses. Larger lenses generally cost more money for equivalent quality. Each has different benefits but generally a larger sensor is going to provide other benefits like low light performance and a wider selection of future growth. Sony even has far more FF lenses than APE-C ones.
well if you like APS-C for your work stick with it 👍 Not for me
Sorry that I don't agree with your reasoning. Full Frame is much better in terms of image quality. If you are satisfied with crop images, then don't switch. But for those guys who are looking for Full Frame only (like myself), this is not a reason.
Ahh I don’t agree that full frame is ‘much better’ for image quality. You can get basically the same kind of image with a smaller sensor using their native form lenses. No one is going to look at a photo and be like ‘ ohh snapp that was taken by a full frame camera ‘
It’s like saying there are no professionals out there that shoot mft or apsc.
I’m sure you mean well just tired of reading/hearing this. There is a reason why there are pros who prefer smaller sensors, which is the same reason why people feel fullframe is better than even larger sensors like medium format
cropped or full frame dont matter. Just use the right lenses
I was really torn between the S5ii and the FX30. I have lots of EF Canon glass and both can be adapted for either camera. The deal breaker for me was the FX30's extra crop using the Atomos Ninja. I really love the option of open gate recording as I have anamorphic MFT glass that can be converted to L mount. The assist tools, vectorscopes etc are really handy for nailing exposure and having had a GH5, I don't think anyone does IBIS as good as Lumix so I ordered the S5iix. Bummer I have to wait until May to get my hands on it though!
Good point for those already in a system.
But me I've been preparing to upgrade into FF from cropped. But I've been so frustrated with Canon and Sony for taking so long, and I've been guessing they've either been playing each other, doing mind games as to how to counter each other that they've been kinda neglecting customers. I'm more positive about that for Canon than Sony because as always, Sony's been doing a good fight for consumers. Esp evidenced with the FX30. But the a6600 follow up is overdue, the a7c also. This is my bracket. And what about Canon? Freaking crippling and milking consumers left and right.
The R7 is great, still a bit crippled, but where are the RF-S lenses? Where are the R, RP replacements????
Because of this I feel like Sony is taking their time too.
I hate you Canon. I was almost ready to compromise with the R7. Or wait for Sony's a7c II for maybe a year - what the heck, that's too long. There's just not a lot of good options in the 1500-2000 for hybrid. (The R7 has no lenses, the FX30 has no photo sort of)
Then here comes the S5 II out of nowhere, kicking and flailing for a fight. A very pro- consumer, pro- competition entry. THANK YOU, PANASONIC. I thought the orig S5 was packed (and so discounted recently), if only the AF was.. you know.
Fortunately I have some full frame lenses for my current Canon APS-C.. and the S5 II has been tested so far to work great! (adapted) and I mean, GREAT! I'm excited. I'm curious about your Canon video now, but I hope you take this into account.
The only thing that could've made the S5 II perfect was 4K 120p. Even cropped, sure. But I hope it can still be added in firmware, or maybe even on the S5 IIX.
For me the R7 is a big disappointment for video. It is definitely crippled and it appears canon isn't going to make any lenses for it. Realistically, the a6000 series successor is more what I wanted over the fx30. There's a lot of features in it, that I will never use, but for me it is still the best option right now. I am excited for the a7000 or whatever they decide to call it. With my luck it will come out next week and be 500 less than the fx30. Then I'll wind up losing money the same way I'll lose on the R7 once I sell it.
The same, no 20-60mm equiv on sony apsc
You can get the Panny 24-105 in like new condition from MPB for $825 or so. What is really nice about that lens too is that it's close to parfocal.
You can get the same sigma apsc lenses for the l mount for similar prices or get sigma/tamron ef equivalent and adapt it. That's more of an apsc vs ff debate. You should compare sonys FF equivalent to the l-mount. equivalent.
I agree, when I was using the Sony a6400 for a few years, the lens choices were incredible. Having said that, I upgraded to the Panasonic S5, the original, and the aps-c mode on that camera is remarkable, not to mention the stabilization was game-changing for me, and the main reason I upgraded. You literally don't lose any quality at all in aps-c mode. I shoot anamorphic with aps-c mode, and so I have plenty of flexibility with my lenses. I would say 90% of the time I have my Sigma 28-70 on the camera, and when you add aps-c mode, it has a pretty good reach. I don't need a further reach than that personally, but if you own the 24-105, then you have something that's equivalent to the 18-105, which I also was in love with when I was shooting with a Sony camera. I'm not the type of filmmaker who relies upon autofocus all that much, if at all, so for me upgrading to the Panasonic S5, and the deal that I got, the incredible price, including so much stuff, it was well worth it. Especially since I shoot anamorphic quite a bit, and I can de-squeeze in camera AND have remarkable stabilization, which the Sony loses when you shoot anamorphic, even with the new firmware update. But at the end of the day, all of these cameras are amazing. :-)
Thank you for sharing your feedback. I intend to rent the S5II this wedding season, so I can compare to my FX30. The biggest thing for me is having better IBIS. That's really important to me because I want to leave the gimbal home going forward
@@MichaelWTurner that’s exactly why I bought the S5, in addition to the ability to use my anamorphic lenses, but the stabilization is on a whole other level compared to Sony. I think you’ll be very happy, my Weebill S is covered in dust, since I bought the S5.
You forgot to mention you don't have 24-70 f2.8 zoom equiv on sony apsc
Sigma just released their 18-50mm f/2.8 DC DN for Sony apsc.
@@theiansm it must be a 16-47mm f1.8 to be equivalent, come on
@@Raoh1st Everyone forgets to multiply the aperture when comparing FF to APC.
You are saying aspc is cheaper and lighter, that's not an issue for the s5ii, that's an issue for full frame
This is true. More an issue if you are someone like me who is already invested in Sony APS-C. There is a premium for moving into a full frame camera in general, but that doesn't really mean that the S5II isn't one of the best hybrid full frame cameras out right now.
Im buying the S5II with the kit lens and the 50mm as a kit for £2399. As I mainly use 20mm at F3.5 ( total coincidence) for my establishing or interior shots and 50mm for my product and portrait and occasionally 24mm again usually at F3.5 (itll be around F4 on the kit) for small groups of people, Im covered for 99% of my lens usage.
Very cool. That's awesome.
I have been using apsc for 4 years now and yeah field of view difference is quite apparent between apsc and fullframe. So within my budget s52 might be the only full frame camera for video priority which also takes good stills.
Can't you get the Sigma remounted for like $100 and just shoot the S5ii in APS-C mode? Then you can use the FF when you want and APS-C when you want.
Can you adapt e-moumt to L? Because the Sony PZ 18-105mm is definitely my favorite.
@@MichaelWTurner no you can’t….
sigma 24 70 2.8 for 1k dollars solve all the problem or sigma 16 28 2.8 and sigma 28 70 2.8 a,d sigma 100-400
The cool thing about FF cameras is that you can shoot in APSC mode too when needed. Shooting weddings, I’ve been able to use the Sigma 28-70 on a gimbal for 90% and then roll handheld with the 70-200 Panasonic. With the sync stabilization between IBIS and lens, it’s super steady handheld even at 200
When using 4k 60fps on lumix s5 ii, is low light performance same as apsc camera? As it no longer provides full frame view.. (does that mean less pixels are being used? Or it uses all pixels n then crops to apsc mode?)
I have the Sony 18 to 105 and that lens is a beast and the OSS in it is very nice, using it with my ZVE-10
You tried the X-H2s?
No
I really hope Panasonic doesn't go down the "Canon" road of creating a lens system at a high cost with marginally good performance compared to the competition. The one and only reason I use Panasonic right now is because of the battery life. I can run all day on a wedding or commercial shoot with 1 to 2 batteries, and on very heavy shoot days (Catholic ceremonies) 3 batteries max. Sony is making some fantastic products right now. Great colors, no overheating, amazing frame rate options, but I have heard people talk about going through 5 to 6 batteries on a wedding day...not something that appeals to me. IF that is not the case I would really appreciate it if someone could let me know because that's the one and only reason I wouldn't ditch Panasonic for a FX3 right now.
That is one of the things that bothers me about the Fx30 - battery life. Coming from the A6600 which had fantastic battery life, it is a little disappointing.
Many of these discussions could be done in a comparison between M4/3 and APSC and that's why when I wanted to save weight and costs I preferred M4/3. Today I decided to switch to Full Frame and I made a very pleasant discovery, there is a very good used Panasonic and Sigma Full Frame lenses for S5 and I have already bought 5 lenses at half price .... I also ordered the S5M2 for only 1899 euros with the Panasonic promotion in Italy (300 euros). Of course the weights change compared to m4/3 but not so much compared to APSC excluding tele lenses.
Furthermore, I think that S5M2 is a superior camera to all competing cameras simply because it is 6K 10bit so in fact not so much comparable to 4K cameras .... but nobody says this.
where are you finding used l-mount glass? There are almost never any AF lenses on ebay for the L mount. There are a ton of off brand manual focus lenses but every current listing for sigma and Panasonic glass are basically full price.
@@Average1212
Before the release of S5II used Panasonic lenses could be found...
@@nilodallaverita6310 Sadly I was late to the show, yea now they are rare ah hens teeth, damn Panasonic for making a good camera lol.
How about if you compare FF from Sony and Canon to Lumix, Sony has some cheap 3d party lenses and Canon with EF but again the first party Lumix senses are actually cheaper then Sony or Canon!
Thanks for the video, great work. I got an open box deal on the original S5, for 1,400 bucks. I got a Ninja V for 400 bucks. You gotta have a decent monitor, right. I just shot a feature film and the image is poetry. Shooting into the Ninja I am getting FULL FRAME, 5.9k Prores RAW, 422 at 12 bit (that is 68 billion colors) . I am a pro filmmaker, I have shot RED's and Arri's, I am totally comfortable saying THERE IS NOTHING out there that can compete at this price point with the S5 for narrative, poetic images. You would literally have to buy an Arri to even begin to spot the difference in the image. That is how good this sensor is at 5.9k RAW. I started with GH4' 5's and loved them, but once you go full frame brother, you ain't never going back. I had to get a Sigma adapter (200 bucks) so I can use my Canon glass. So, where am I now 2000 bucks, for the image I get out of the S5, mind blowing!!!!!!!!! Now, I don't shoot sports or wildlife and I don't use auto focus. I shoot feature films. You have got to watch the rolling shutter on action sequences, no fast panning, etc, but man what an image. Unbelievable!!! It has got to be noted, my sets are dressed and properly lit, the shots are "composed" that is what it takes to make something look "cinematic." The "cinematic" look has nothing much to do with the camera at all, it is all about light and composition, down to the color of the costumes and the walls of the set. You can point an iPhone at a properly set up shot and it will look great. But, an iPhone does not shoot 6k RAW, right. Most of these mid-range mirror-less cameras are great. But that S5 sensor into the Ninja is about as good as it gets. Now the S5II is out the price of the old (old, ha) S5 has come right down. Unless you can't figure out how to turn a focus wheel then maybe you need the new one. The new one is only 2000, (but you pay extra for the RAW output!) We currently live in film making heaven.There is literally zero reason you are not making a film, right now.
That's something. A Panasonic is like a RED mini. Good to know!
Nice video, and you hit me at the right time with all those infos. I am looking to buy a new camera, but I am in a little doubt to choose Sony FX30 or Panasonic SII. Can you give me a little advice from your POV about how is the FX30 ? I am tempted for Panasonic because is fullframe and has a lot of codecs option, improved AF( but still under Sony's), but here the downside is like you explain in the video: you have a little pool of lenses to choose from and they are also more expensive in relation with APSC( Sony FX30). I am already using an a6400 Sony with Sigma 16mm 1.4( a very nice lens) and I tend to go for Sony, there are more pluses. What's your advice?
Honestly from my POV for my work, I feel like the S5II might be the best option due to the fact that has the AF that I need, with addition of really good IBIS and the ability to take professional photos. I really like your questions and probably do a live stream dedicated to it this week. What type of material do you shoot?
Just wait for GH7 and no Sony will compare....by the way u sound too much like a Sony sales rep.
Well, I'm definitely not. Wouldn't mind being one though. I'm not on their radar.
Another reason: Panasonic is always going to be 5-10 years behind the latest camera tech. Took them this long to PDAF and it's still their first version, so no matter what Sony/Canon/Nikon is always going to have the more advanced and reliable eye autofocus.
Yet the Panasonic has been arguably better in every aspect other than eye auto focus at its price point. If you aren't shooting weddings then is it hard to beat the value the Panasonic brings.
@@Average1212 You’re saying the s5ii is better in every aspect other than eye autofocus compared to the Sony A7iv? Obviously that’s false. The s5ii is using the same sensor as the s5, which is a 10 year old Sony sensor. The a7iv is using a new Sony sensor with 33mp. So that’s two things, among many others, where the Sony is objectively better.
@@YaYousef5 And you have A7iv users going to the s5II because the color is soo much better.
The panasonic doesn't have overheating issues like the sony in hot locations
You are a sony user and will self justify. But find my anyone recommending the sony to any new camera buyer over the s5ii if they don't already have sony glass.
@@Average1212 Share 10 UA-camrs with more than 100k subscribers who are switching from Sony A7iv to the S5ii "because the color is soo much better." - I'll save you time. Only one UA-camr is doing it, Chris Hau, everyone else is sticking with Sony. They prefer the Sony system and autofocus reliability.
Share where you're getting the information that Sony is having issues in hot locations.
I don't own a Sony. I shoot Fujifilm.
@@YaYousef5 Are you a clown? listen to yourself. the professional world is a lot bigger than youtubers over 100k.
If you think the only people that buy and upgrade cameras are youtubers over 100k subs you have a few life lessons to learn.
Do a quick search on problems with the a7iv if you want to learn of its heat problems. Or how about the latest firmware issues.