Ford vs Ferrari | Making the car faster
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- American car designer Carroll Shelby and driver Ken Miles battle corporate interference and the laws of physics to build a revolutionary race car for Ford in order to defeat Ferrari at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1966.
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We (as fans) thank to Director James Mangold, Writers Jez Butterworth, John-Henry Butterworth, Jason Keller, Actors Matt Damon and Christian Bale for creating this peace of art.
We thank to the production companies Chernin Entertainment, TSG Entertainment, Turnpike Films and Twentieth Century Fox.
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My favorite part in the film...."we need a bigger engine..." ford be like "No probs..."
It was Shelby's modified 427
The trouble with this movie is that every scene in the movie is the best part of the movie.
Cant argue with ya there@@rcaso9561
@@Bigbigpoopi No, they were Eric Broadley's British-built 427s.
Had the big blocks been allowed in 68-69, it could've been interesting to see them shoehorn a Boss 429 into a GT :D
8 seconds of a lap record on the first run is actually insane
and fictional
The lap record was 150.8 and Miles just went 150.0.
reminds me of that video of an olpbit runner who had an issue w her show was late off the gate took her shoes off and STILL beat the rest of the pack by half the track
@@JRB22144 I don't think that's what they meant, no one would report 1:50.8 as "one fifty-eight"
@@Ixxlostinabox actually they would
"Ohhhh, giddy up, giddy up," too good.
8 seconds off the lap record on your first try?? Giddy-up!
That's about as believable as Miles pushing the driver out of the way and commandeering the car for an unscripted rip around the test track. Frankly, stupid crap like that detracted from the movie.
The movie was almost entirely fictional.
@@Gurn_Blanstonexcept for the tape and yarn scene, the losing the shop to the irs, and the brake change out at the 24 hour race. But yeah, whatever. Its a fucking movie
@damianlindsey6177 Even the tape and yarn scene was wrong- in reality the tape and yarn was IN ADDITION TO the electronic test equipment, and nobody objected to it.
@@Gurn_Blanston they had to change some things to make it more interesting as a movie like making leo bebee or however you spell his name into the main bad guy. Im sure there were some tensions but nothing like that. Hollywood cannot just make a car movie just as a car movie, the one time they did, it sucked. Cars were cool and the racing was as real as it could be but 2 lane blacktop as a movie was terrible
Impressive, very nice. Let’s see Paul Allen’s lap.
The legend of Ken Miles.
It’s what the movie should have been
Called
Also the legend of Roy Lunn.
My mom, (97 yo), was a Detroiter, (as am I), Her dad used to test drive new vehicles with Henry Ford. My grandfather was a mechanic for Ford motor company in the early days. 😮
Awesome. The test track in Detroit is pretty nice; historical site now too. The track being in Shelby Township is fitting.
This must have been a fun movie for you then.
Old school test drivers had it hard. When GM developed their first self-driving car, they were asked multiple times "Who is your target demographic for this tech?". The reply was simple... "Us". At the time, most test drivers rarely lasted 2 years. It's a far-from-exhilirating job, requiring extensive pre-employment screening, and they didn't pay for health insurance... which was a huge consideration for the job. I'm not sure if any of the unions ever picked up test drivers, but they used to be excluded from several auto-unions, as they weren't considered "labor".
@janetpattison8474 sure kid, sure..............................
Nice, but the batmobile has the wrong paint scheme.
You mix British and American engineering with a 7 liter nascar V8 and Carrol Shelby with his WW2 British American D-Day tank driver / fabricator and you can beat a Ferrari. The Ford GT 40 was the moment in history where cars grew up. It’s an amazing story of little men and big corporations kicking butt.
The good ole days
@@iB_pOpNamerican engineers are not good ...
People that enjoy Carol Shelby should look into Zora Arkus Duntov (“father of the Corvette). He effectively convinced GM to make high performance trims of various cars. Even when GM told him no or canceled various race projects/prototypes, he still did it under their noses in secret.
Prime example, the 1963 Grand Sport Corvette. Aimed to win the GT class at LeMans, weighed 800+lbs less than standard production coupe, 377 CID small block that made 550 hp, and aimed production run of 125 cars. GM canceled it after 5 prototypes. He was also doing testing to make the Corvette mid engine as early as 1958.
He was racing pre-WW2. OHV heads on flathead Fords… he made them (Ardun heads). He also made prototype SOHC heads for flatheads. He won his class at Lemans in 1954. And a letter he wrote in 54 to the top brass GM about putting their new small block into Corvette got him the job as head of performance.
Duntov had a hand in virtually any high performance trim from Chevy from the mid 50s through 1970+. The HiPo 409 (and NASCAR 427 variant), Fuelie 327, DZ302, L88, ZL1, LS6, LT1, etc.
Yeah, but that's GM products. They can go kick rocks. I'll support any brand other than GM.
0:05 craptacular pos 289
2:44 the beautiful 427
So isn't it the 427 on 2:16...?
@@hunterxsimple3821 427 is installed in that prototype (note the different body style)
To be fair a 289 version of the gt40 was the only same chassis to win le mans twice in 68’ and 69’
@zakcritch8706 yes, but not with a 289. Rules limited the displacement to 5.0 liters, so Ford stroked out the 289 to a 302 and put different heads on it. And THAT is how the MK1 won in 68 & 69.
Craptacular. Oh my. The Cobra legend was made with the 289. Not the 427. Oh yes it was, check your history. The 289 is and was a great engine. 289 powered the Shelby Cobra Daytona. Which beat 289 powered GT40s in 64-65
"I'm afraid we have." JJ Field as Roy Lunn, perfect. Ford of England was not exactly uninvolved in the GT 40 success.
Shelby's team was underrated
Shelby's team was British. Their car was the British Lola Mk6 with the word "Ford" stuck on it. Their engines were built in Britain. Even their driver Ken Miles was British.
Even better@@Gurn_Blanston
@@Gurn_Blanston Their Engines was Ford Engines, you must be referring to the Ford Gt40 Mark 1
@WizardNone123 The MkI, MkII, and MkIII cars were built in Slough in England, including their British-built engines. This movie is about the 1966 24 Hours of Le Mans, and the three British MkII cars that finished 1/2/3.
Who the hell is underrating Shelby? If anything, after this film the contributions of everyone else involved has been undermined.
Le Mans (McQueen) RUSH, and this always a great triple play in my house!
I think there was a missed opportunity for that lap record line to be...
"Not anymore"
I like "one five oh dead"
Most lap records, when they're beat, are beat in milliseconds or a second or two. By saying "1:50 dead", he was calling out that Ken beat the best lap by 8+ seconds. Not necessarily calling out the Ken's great driving, but a testament to the beast of a car Shelby made.
Nope
Coldly stating the number has much more weight to it ( minus
8 seconds from 2 min lap) then theatrically announcing that lap record is beaten
No need to say it because everyone is thinking it.
'It's a shitbox! Drives like a pig!'
Oops, wrong movie.
This movie is so good even if you're not a car person.
Thank you! You said it , a film about friendship as well. The editing is incredible along with the sound and cinematography
@@seanbannon7939You bet, saw it with a friend and we both cracked smiles at the fight scene, soup cans almost thrown 😅
This movie turned me into a car person and researching and reading about the GT40 is amazing. The actual footage of Le Man 1966 is pretty cool too, seeing the real Ken Miles
289, About 350 HP. 427, about 550 HP
Well duh.
No replacement for displacement. Rodders creed.
Just shows what clever men in a team with an objective can do, when they are faced with a deadline to achieve their goal.
"Does it come in black?"
I guess Jason Bourne got a drivers license
Eight seconds off the lap record
Lol, no. The movie is almost entirely fictional.
Soundtrack is bob on.
V type 8 cylinders of 5.87 litters. 427” a new titanium headers and airflow and max horsepower fuel injected cylinder heads and got 750 nyo
And top speed 198 mph and 320 km/h
427 ci is 7 liters.
Titanium headers? I thought that was Gurney's innovation on his F1 Eagle, 1967. The Magnesium/Titanium car
NASCAR 427 pulled 580 HP on a good day.
😂😂 OH GIDDY UP GIDDY UP 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 EVERYTIME🤣🤣
Anybody catch that Ken was going the opposite direction when they clicked the stopwatch? (Keep an eye on the electric towers in the background)
This car is beautiful
Toward the end, Ken was like a kid in a candy store hope you were seeing his eyes light up when they said they put that 427 in the GT 40
“Making your car faster” i think is the line, And its funnier that way
Holy... 8 seconds off a lap. Wow, that's almost unbelievable.
0:34 - love the film, love the car even more, but after running laps on a dessert track, it looks like it just left the detail shop!
The new engine scene was just beautiful.The whole movie was a masterpiece.Christian bill really captured the speed of the space that has emotions.It almost fell like you were sitting right next to them
Such a great movie......
I kinda have a love/hate reaction to this movie. Without giving any credit, it’s based on the book “Go Like Hell” which, since I was a big Ford guy in the 60’s, read many, not several, times. Of course, the book was better, lots more history on Ferrari and especially “Sir John” Surtees, the only man to be a world champ on both two, and four wheels. I also didn’t care for Bales’ over the top depiction of Ken Miles. He did that one other time when he portrayed Burry in the movie “The Big Short” based on the book of the same name….although IMO he was great as Cheney in “Vice.” The Ford 427 was a monster motor. I owned a ‘63 1/2 Ford Galaxie 500 Fastback with a 427 and four-speed when I was a kid….loved that car. Had to sell it when I moved out west.
That engine of the dyno is running round.
Ken Miles is a treasure. He definitely was taken from us too soon. I love this movie!
I wonder if there’s any men out there anymore like Ken and Shelby, who know how to make a car work and find ways to make it faster without relying on computer tech. Cause we need driving artists like them in motorsports today.
You can computer all day but there's no more cost-effective fluid dynamics analysis than a ball of yarn and a roll of gaffers' tape on a full-size model. Though you can upgrade the precision with a couple of GoPro mounts... :) (but for goodness' sake never EVER use a suction cup mount for anything out in a high-speed airstream!)
Maybe in time Hollywood should make a movie about Elon Musk and Tesla. They have truly revolutionized the automobile industry forever
Ohhh giddy-up giddy-up!
That is what I say when I am in my Honda CR-V! Giddy Up!
don't we all feel the need for more speed?! And a really cool looking car
Dyno engine looked like she was running a little rough...
Vibration dampers do not appear to be working 🤣
Those engine mounts must be made by the same Hollywood company that makes the sparking bullets and exploding gasoline tanks.
What's the name of that song please
Stranger in a strange land
"are you using magnesium parts?" 🙂
Why "smaller valves"?
While a good movie in terms of being a movie, Ford vs Ferrari largely fails in telling the story behind the GT40 crushing Ferrari at Le Mans and the intense rivalry between Ford and Ferrari. The movie makes it look like Shelby and Miles banged the GT40 together in a shed while Ford had no role to play except giving them money and unlimited resources. This wasn't the case. Ford was heavily invested in the GT40, they failed twice at Le Mans, they used every bit of technology available to them (i.e. simulating the entire 24h race to test the engine, the breaks, the gearbox and so on) and were determined to crush Enzo "The Assassin" Ferrari. They were not f*cking around and Shelby and Miles were not mavericks going against Ford whenever they could. Ford wanted to win. The movie makes it look like Ford would've sabotaged their entire project out of spite against Shelby and Miles.
Old school is the best school
Loveee that motor
The " so called " Ford Gt40 . I can't really see why it is a Ford apart from the fact that they paid for it. Built by the British, developed and raced by a Englishman. Yes Carroll Shelby was there as well developing the car as well. I know its a bit off but I'm sorry the Americans really didn't beat Ferrari it was a small car manufacturer in England and a driver from there as well. Maybe it should have been called " A couple of British guys paid by Ford vs Ferrari "
Ah well the investor is also considered as inventor since he is risking his money on invention
What would have british dudes done if ford didnt hire them?
Yes fair play you do have a good 👉
wicked
i wish that last line would have been "what's the lap record here, Bert?" "1:58?" ".....not anymore."
lol that would have been epic. I feel like his delivery on “dead” makes it that much more epic though haha
Those cello tape fixed telltales would not last 30 seconds at 90 MPH.
Okay Sir, before you can comment any more, I need to see your poetic license.
Wait, they used smaller valves instead? That sounds counterintuitive but can anyone explain the logic in that particular engine please?
probably to take advantage of the pressure differential to increase the velocity of the incoming air...
With carbureted engines, the carburetor is spraying in droplets of fuel, and it needs to vaporize. If the air velocity is too low, the gasoline droplets can fall out of the airstream. With a higher velocity in the intake ports, the droplets remain suspended and will better vaporize. It is the fuel vapors that burn, not the liquid fuel. Also with smaller valves, the max engine rpm can often be increased before valve float occurs. Valve float is often the limiting factor for maximum engine speed and not the connecting rod/piston. Often when you see a thrown con rod, it occurs because of valve float and the piston hitting the valve. hth (At least those are my thoughts. I am sure others will differ.)
It's been described to me as being like when you stick your thumb over the end of a garden hose to increase the pressure of the water coming out. The SR71 Blackbird uses a similar trick - moveable nacelles in front of the engine intakes are used to RESTRICT the flow (but increase the velocity) of air going into the engine when they want to go faster.
.. lap record? 🏁
1 minute 50 seconds dead on
Almost every scene is complete fantasy
I'd say fast and the furious the whole franchise is a fantasy, completely tacky , nothing you see in that movie could ever happen as far as the racing scenes, completely unrealistic. And gone in 60 seconds wasn't even about racing or the brains it takes to build cars.
Or hollywooded up reality 😂
Whosgiteup!
American muscle. Built in Britain by brits for a brit driver. With an Australian team P. And perfected after ford pulled out by Mann who was.... Yes british. Yup it's American all right.
427 DAMM
Thing is missing at least two cylinders of it was real. Wtf!!!
wym? real thing had a 427 cubic inch V8, and that certainly sounds like a V8 burble to me...
Why the tissue paper taped to the car
@@seanbannon7939 Wool or yarn. Best way to see the airflow over the car in actual driving conditions.
Four plug wires on the side of the engine that you see, Bubba. I never did take quantum physics but as I recall, 4 times 2 is 8, and you can see the wires going to four plugs. Also, you can count 4 tubes for the exhaust. Sure you can. Look to the rear of the engine Bubba. A better question is: what's with the electric carburetor choke.
@@bbb462cid thanks for breaking it down
427 FE Tunnel Port.Good for around 500hp,though i doubt it shaved 8 secs off the lap record.
One Five O DEAD
faster why?
Because Daytona was 3 weeks away and Shelby was determined to have ken win. Shelby knew Ken was the only man to drive the GT40
Ferrari is still there.... There is no ford...
The engine dyno test scene could have been better. V8 engines don't vibrate like that.
And there were no fuel lines connected to the 4-barrel carburetor.
But still, I love this movie.
my thought too when i saw it in the theater. an engine shaking like that means something is really off. and no fuel lines was kinda comical. but... yes a great film.
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The movie had to skip a TON of interesting details regarding the engine testing at the Ford Dearborn Dynamometer Lab.
The wiring that Christian Bale is fussing over in the start if this clip would have been connected to a strip chart machine that would have recorded Ken Miles LeMans lapping LeMans and then used to build the dyno cycle that tested the 427 and transaxle for 48 hours at the Dyno Lab.
The dramatic tension between the big car company engineers and the scrappy, talented race team makes for a great movie but obviously isn't the whole story.
@@mattwest1138 Thanks for the link. I love old-time engineering stuff like that.
Back when they knew how to make a f****** car
I haven’t seen the movie but this seems like bad writing for him to want a bigger engine only to find a bigger engine already in one? Shouldn’t it be some mechanic saying it’s impossible but then like Scotty on the Enterprise he able to make it happen just in time. But here they just cut to one already done?
Holman Moody and Shelby did their development separately, but because Holman Moody was a NASCAR team they were already working with the Galaxie 427 before Shelby.
sure, if you want to see a movie 6 hours long.
You literally described lazy writing. This is real, more natural and ultimately more believable.
I think for part of the movie they're dealing with "design by committee" and too much oversight, and this is supposed to be the contrasting part where shit's getting done and it feels great.
'bad writing' is a great description of this movie. It's painful to watch for anybody with knowledge of racing but 'fun' for those who don't give a hoot.
ferrari 2024 only copy aston martin hheheheheheh
This movie is just unbearably smug.
Well It can be smug , I'd rather this then a complete unrealistic movie like fast and furious , it's better then gone in 60 as well, this is based on a true story those other half ass racing movies are based on no logic
@@seanbannon7939I think Rush did it best, told the story true to how it actually happened and was entertaining about it, but you're correct to liken FvsF to fast and furious.
Because the best drivers make a bond with these cars. Electric cars will never match combustion cars. It has flaws with give a human feel.
People riding horses probably said some similar dumb shit when looking at the new horseless carriage machine
@@mingodingo When 'horseless carriages' first came out, doctors declared with authority that the human body couldn't survive going more than 15 mph. (They were right, but it's the sudden stops at speed that kill you).
Sure, because your average commuter needs a "bond" with their car to drive to work. /Eyeroll
Machine spirit will endure for such is the will of the Omnissiah.
The music junked another video 👎👎👎💩💩😬
You understand that flow step they all use to at least see an opportunity he got strategized and money ordered so many different rotation conditions that they think they control the house in the market or rent a rotation marking
Do you trust your people's unknown ability to put a additional part in your cars
Just because someone can't pay for something that sometime but then they try to figure out a way how to be able to afford something so then stuff goes missing
You know the expense rate if someone coming in the house and watering their electronics Danielle being committed together
Platooning large dividends back stresses gains divided by annuties, per cylinder. Or does the distributor curve roscoe you even slowly on a revolution? You make the cake.
@@bbb462cid how's the double-ended springs are they fitting in between your Pistons when you make the turn at that speed you don't lose a traction pressure
@@TonyFarley-pv3nk single end only for portfolio transition and MPG
They talk to you to see you the same redevelopment tradition taught you how to see out of the people not for inside the people some of these condition motions are missing certain strategies that are supposed to be taken places time ratios in the whole time they learn how to get something out of your mistakes you probably ain't built a new car since before Shelby
So we are supposed to believe that Ford, one of the biggest car companies in the world, was the underdog in their struggle against a bunch of Italians who handmade made cars in a barn? GTFO.
Lighten up Francis
Given Ferrari had a long history of racing and winning at it (and no, they were NOT "made in a barn"), yes Ford WAS the underdog.
Yes. Because thats what happened.
Was that the invention of the 427 side oiler?