Ford v Ferrari - What really happened
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Made world-famous by the blockbuster film Ford v Ferrari starring Christian Bale and Matt Damon, the 1966 running of the Le Mans 24 Hours was truly a race for the ages. Ford's all-out assault on Ferrari's dominance in the famous test of endurance has been brilliantly adapted for the silver screen. But how much of the film is true to what really happened that day, back in June 1966? Find out in this documentary produced by Motorsport Network, and featuring exclusive interviews with experts, archive footage and commentary by nine-time Le Mans winner Tom Kristensen.
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“You promised me the drive ,not the win “. Class !!
One point not made here is that had Ken Miles won LeMans that year, he would have been the only person to win the 12 Hours of Sebring, 24 hours of Daytona, and the 24 hours of LaMans in the same year. But I also wondered what happened to those laps ahead he was. I'm glad it was talked about here.
Despite the discrepancies, I loved Ford vs Ferrari. Say what you will, the movie did reach non motorsport folks. I can say my wife enjoyed it and said it was nothing like she thought itd be. Even a tear shed at the end from her.
Good job on this guys. 👍👍
it is indeed a nice movie to watch. Just enjoy and don't take notice the historical errors
Yeah it's one of those times I don't actually mind it being a little fudged history wise, as it really helps the story
Highwayman if you haven't seen Tucker its a movie worth watching
@@TheReal10bears I have. A very good watch. 👍👍
A visit to Shelby American in Las Vegas is definitely needed after watching Ford vs Ferrari, you won’t be disappointed
Can't believe how selfless the guy was! It's like even in life he ran the perfect lap, striving excellence over awards or recognition..
It's like the perfect movie huh? Too bad it's all a big lie.
@@positrack99 it’s a movie!!!!
Movies are entertainment, nothing more.
It’s a shame people put so much into entertainment.
No where does it say it’s a documentary!!!
Stop putting faith in Hollywood entertainment.
Which guy? Nouns are useful.
I still think had they not brought up that stupid photo finish Ken would have won n history would have still turned out the same! Props to Peter Miles for being such a Humble n Reserved human being. It's sad that his father past away in that accident bc I'm sure that kept peter from becoming just like his father. God bless Ken Miles
I'm sure Peter was bitter for a long time. I'm glad to see he found peace.
The top brass knew it would rob Ken of the victory, it was just idiotic company politics....And everyone who knows what's what, he won in car he built....
I think whatever happened still worked out fine. Maybe if Ken HAD won, he wouldn’t have had a movie made after him. Maybe less people would’ve known about him without the controversy. At the end of the day, everyone knows he deserves it, so whatever’s written in the books don’t matter. It’s like when a well deserved movie or music album doesn’t win the Oscars/Grammys. As long as everyone knows it’s good, the records don’t matter.
I think in depth interview with Peter Miles dedicated to his father legacy needs to be told. The real story between both Ken Miles and Carrol Shelby. What his father said after Le Mans. Peter had to give his perspective to the movie. This story should have been told long ago. Sadly, we have to assume.
It would have turned out the same for everyone other than Ken and is family, but that matters little to everyone else. The fact it's taken this movie to make ken a name that lots of casual fans are just recognising when it should have been one that was recognised back then especially with all the work he did on the gt350....
The best part of this movie was getting to see all of these beautiful cars being driven hard like they should! I was only 1 year old when this movie takes place so I really appreciate getting to see some of my favorite cars in their natural habitat!
I was 4. Learned about the story starting in 1977. Loved it since then.
I was 14 when the 917's made their first go at Sebring, it was just after the 24 hour race at Daytona; those cars overwhelmed all of my senses. The Matra's, the Ferrari's, the Porsche's, the Ford's, Alfa, on and on...Sebring has changed, but it's still the same. Steve McQueen said it best, "Racing is life, everything else is just waiting." The sounds were incredible, and in the early years, so we're the smells!
I was 16, and as a side note Jim Hall’s Chevy powered Chaparrals were a revalation, 2 speed automatics and the first aero wing. What a sight! Jim Hall and Hap Sharp were Texas oil wildcats.
@@clu4u Weren't they something to see! I was the same age, when I watched them run at Sebring! I remember standing just past the exit of the Hairpin wanting to hear what they sounded like when these cars upshifted!?! The #68 Homet Turbine engine was another unforgettable car to hear! It really sounded like a jet taking off.
damn sir youre old
My father was an engineer at ford and I am trying to find out if he was involved in the program the reason I wonder is that in 1966 he was allowed to bring home a gt to show his family and give joy rides.
Motor sport in the 1960s must have been awe-inspiring. Can-am series and these wonderful cars in the le mans races.
When they invent a time machine, I'm going back to take it all in.
Same here. I'm going back to experience the 69 boss mustangs in all their original glory.
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Thank God I was alive and got to see races at Road America and Donnybrooke
ive watched this probly 15 times but yet I don't get tired of watching it.
This was a magnificent short with excellent visual quality…truly great work.
It’s a brilliant piece, isn’t it.
Don' Does not hold a candle to Steve McQueen's movie
i cant imagine the feelings of peter his son , seeing the movie and how they portrayed the father son relationship making him relive those memories the happy and heartbreaking ones , me myself it was hard to forgive the betrayal and the scheme ford did to ken so I cant even think about the emotions he felt , rip legend ken miles 🕊
I watched the movie for the first time the other day . Something that came to mind was the fact the GT 40 was originally designed and built in England due to their experience in European racing . The GT40 did not become the race winning car it was until after the original engine was switched out to the Ford 427 and the tweaks at Shelby's shop . I drew a comparison to the P51 Mustang airframe being designed and built in the US but it did not become the superior fighter it was until the English Rolls Royce was installed in England .
Both of these fine engineering examples were at the design pinnacle for their day and benefitted from collaboration between English and American technology. And the rest is history ....
The 1966 winning cars were made by Bruce McLaren’s racing, they made four Specials for The race !
The original gt40 was a development of the Lola gt. Eric broadley was contracted to develop and build the gt40's. But he found working for Ford to stifling and baled out. Ford then set up Ford AVO to build the examples for road and track use. It is a pity that the English involvement tends to be airbrushed out of the Shelby succes story. But Shelby certainly had a great team of guys with him.
You do understand that the p51 was fitted with an engine built by Packard licensed by Rolls-Royce God bless American engineering
@@JohnCunningham-sy5ug This came later the first Merlin engines were fitted to the Mustang airframe in England (as an experiment ) which vastly improved the performance of the P-51.
P51's issue was not engine, the radiator was too vulnerable
Le Mans has always been my favorite racing movie. This is now my second.
Who was the best driver that day? Ken Miles hands down, end of story.
And who was the co driver oh right done you even know ?
@@Rob-vv5yn good point
@@Rob-vv5yn hulme was, but that's also the point, people may have never even heard of Ken miles had he not shattered the lap record too.
Shellby and ken miles were legends 😍 Mustang Shellby is not just a Car it's an Emotion 😍
4:58 Can we just take a moment to recognize the enormous marbles on these people casually lounging inches from certain death
If organizers allowed it people would do the same today or even worse, pretty sure there would be couple of idiots who would try to cross the track midrace to get better place for selfie. But if there was accident back then it would be the idiot's fault and nobody else would be blamed, these days idiots that put themselves at risk with their own stupidity sue organizers and usually get away with fat check. The world was better when society did not protect and reward idiots.
* Old man yells at cloud
There is an excellent book out about Ken Miles years with Shelby. It was done by Dave Friedman, one of racing's best ever photographers. There is a picture in it taken shortly after the race where you can clearly see the official scoreboard over Miles' shoulder. It clearly shows Ken Miles in first by one lap over second place. Get a copy & see for yourself.
Ok , I bought the book .What page are u referring to ?
@@murfspop
I am out of state right now. When I get back I will find it for you.
@@joestephan1111 THANK YOU ! I paid $65.00 for the book just to see that picture.
We all had Ford GT 40 slot cars in the mid '60's. If Miles had slowed by 10 seconds a lap at 23 hours
he would still have been a lap up.I did the math.
@@joestephan1111 Thank You.
@@joestephan1111 I'm still looking thru the book and I cannot find it.....
My wife was the same. I am an ex racer and had spent years trying to explain to her what racing means and how important it is. She just couldn't get it. She did get it after watching that film.
same happened to me. i didn't know anything about cars but this movie made me fell in love with racing cars. salute to racers like u.
I was there, sobbing with joy !
I remember meeting Ken Miles at Sebring. I was 12 years old at the time, my first time there was in 1959. I remember my heroes, mostly European drivers of course back then, but seeing Ken hustle thru the hairpin.......
Sebring Florida?
@@austinfackender He meant the famous village in Ohio. Where all car racing came from. Known to everyone including myself after I looked it up.
I was 13 in the Shelby American pits at the end of the '66 race. I coveted one of those steel blue leather jackets like Shelby and Remington wore.
@@ralphjones1930 That was a great year! Ken Miles and Lloyd Ruby won that driving the #1 Ford X1. In all ways it was a Ford GT, yet they called it the X1. Next year they introduced the monster, Ford MK IV. That was the car they rolled out at the end of the movie. Those things sounded much different because of the huge engine Ford had put in both of those cars. I've said this before...it's a shame that in the Ford V Ferrari movie, ya never really got to hear that car at full song, it was just amazing!
12:39 "Ferrari has never won Lemans outright again..." They must have taken this personally eh?
Ferrari wins 2023 le mans eh? Enjoy your ford zephyr😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The story needs a update. Yesterday, June 11, 2023 Ferrari finally broke the duck and won Le Mans outright. :-)
Define out right, top 3 spots? 😉
Great movie! I was doubtful about watching this film, wondering what Hollywood would make of it - but the pairing of Matt Damon and Christian Bale was inspired, and lifted the already brilliantly choreographed action scenes onto another level... very enjoyable
About time that someone documented and proved that’s the McLaren/Hulme car clearly crossed the line first. Much different to all the urban myths getting around. Plus not one photo I have ever seen shows the #1 car crossing the line first…
Nice words from Miles son.
It was McLaren/Amon. Denny Hulme drove with Miles
@@craigmactak1839 thank you
True, but if he really was a lap or two ahead it wouldn't matter who crossed first.
Ken was a full lap ahead! They screwed him!
Who cares if McLaren crossed the line first. Had Ken Miles NOT slowed down...Ken would have won EASILY!
Hearing Bruce Mclaren and Denny Hulme's names was Fantastic, 2 Kiwi's withe the nothing can hold them back attitude, RIP to them both
It seems to me then this movie and in this documentary everybody has forgotten the three new zealanders that were in these cars and chief among them Bruce McLaren an absolute Legend and the father of the McLaren motor racing team and an absolute Automotive genius Chris Amon genius driver and Denny holme a name that in New Zealand is legendary now I may be a little bit biased because I am a kiwi and and we love tonight Vehicles go fast whether it's cars motorbikes or boats
Like any based on true events movie, you're going to have a lot of poetic licenses thrown in. Many times, because real life isn't nearly as dramatic as movies portray and nobody is going to the movies to watch themselves have a boring day in their boring lives. The core of this movie got the right parts right and that was the intense Ford v. Ferrari rivalry ... which caused Ford to develop the coolest Ford ever to this very day, lol. And a lot of people got to learn a little something about a great race car driver they'd probably never even heard of before this movie.
how does this channel only have 300 subs?? someone from motorsportimages send me a note. Even with just images from your archives I can make you some classics.
Ridiculous! I'm now 600 subs. When we're at 300,000 subs I'll post that I was 600!
I’ll go at 615.
@@brucetennyson5035 ummm... 2.27k is two thousand, two hundred and seventy. Dumbass.
@@barrakliberal8539 check the date, he sent that 6 months ago so it very well could have only been 300 subs, there’s no reason to be rude like that either
Funny how they spared only 1 sentence about Remingtons revolutionary quick brake change system. That had a major impact on the development of the race, and a clear advantage to Ford.
I believe Remington's contribution was quick change brake pads. Holman Moody designed the entire quick change brake system including rotors. Yes, it absolutely had a major affect, and I believe Shelby even said without that brake system, the MKll would have never won the race!
"American Muscle beat Italian Sophistication." And I take a sip of my American bourbon from my Italian crystal glass.
In a British car.... (almost everything about the GT40 was British, and even the gearbox was a German ZF at one point - only the engine was American).
@@zks2341 good point. I have my preferences and favorites like anyone, but I love that different countries and cultures each offer something good for car culture.
@@zks2341 I forgot to mention the AC Cobra and the Aston Martins are some of what I think are the most beautiful cars. I'm going to see if a friend of my friend will let me sit in his cobra so I can have my American Whiskey in my Italian glass in the British car.
@@zks2341 but they've mentioned in the movie that the car was crap.
@@zks2341 That is true. But with American funding. I know that the 1st 1965 GT40 was designed in Ford UK with help of Lola, but for the 1966 GT40 it was taken to Dearborn Michigan to further test the car to make sure that it will last for 24hrs. Ford put the ZF gearbox in their lab with a robotic arm to simulate countless gear changes, and then put the engine in an engine testing rig (at that time the most advanced testing rig for engine simulation) for further improvement and tests, the same testing rig used to improve the Cosworth DFV. Then with Shelby American for additional scoops to improve cooling, and improve the aerodynamics of the GT40.
I filmed Chris Amon a number of times and you can tell he was a bit pissed with the whole "Ken was robbed" narrative. He said they would have won easily if they hadn't been following team instructions after the last Ferrari was out to drive slower, instructions that Ken mostly ignored. Also while he didn't put it past McLaren to give it a burst at the end he said the car had a sticking accelerator and McLaren was having to put his foot under it to control the speed so keeping at a constant speed at the end was a bit difficult, it may not have been intentional.
If you want to know who was robbed have a look at the drives who won the race for Ford but were dropped the next year so Ford could have an American driver win the race. Then ignored by the film.
@Stephen Press - The drivers that were dropped weren't "robbed". It was common place then for drivers to be dropped, picked up. Ferrari, Aston Martin and others did this almost routinely. The "Deuce" was obviously aware of the chatter that Ford won in '66 due to the involvement and help by the Brits. Understandably, he wanted an American built car driven by American drivers to win - an all American victory. If he still had foreign drivers behind the wheel in '67, the talk would have been Ford only won because of the great foreign drivers. The Deuce had more smarts and foresight than many gave him credit for. Shelby was one of the ones who had great respect for HFll and was quoted saying "He knew a hell of a lot more about how that company should be run than he was given credit for."
@@Loulovesspeed I don't disagree. Nobody was robbed (including Miles) it was just Ford doing what was best for their brand... I guess my issue is three of the drivers who finished in the first two cars were from New Zealand and the film gets an Australian actor to give one line... :)
@@cameragod1 - What can I tell you? Write to the producers of the film. There were a good deal of people/situations, etc that the movie didn't cover, yet it was still 2 1/2 hrs. long.
@@Loulovesspeed :) To be honest I'd rather make my own film.
@@cameragod1 - Great, let me know when it comes out! lol
Interesting that no one ever mentions the winning 66 Ford GT40 had a 7 Liter ( 427CID) motor and the Ferrari was a 330 ( 4.0 Liter)
this first to build the fastest car i guess. Now we have restrictions.
What's your point? The Ferrari still blew and couldn't run.
@@roberthall6560 I think I stated my point lol A heavy weight fighting in a light weight division lol. Thats the point. Now we have restrictions to keep a level playing field and more exciting racing for different engine classes.
You conveniently left out that the Ferrari was a 12 cylinder and the Ford was an 8 cylinder. Don't forget Enzo Ferrari was in charge of the rules(which he conveniently altered when needed). He allowed the 427 Ford basically because he figured it was junk and had no chance.
You should have mentioned that those little engines came back a year later at Daytona and blew away a huge field of Fords for that famous 1+2+3 win and Chris Amon who was one of the Lemans Ford winning drivers was driving for Ferrari that day., the only Ford with any pace the Mclaren car I think limped home, none of the other GT40 survived from memory that’s 60’s racing for you.
An historical snippet. When Shelby launched the GT350, Ken Miles took it 0-100-0 in 13.8 seconds, on STREET TYRES !
No GT350 ever did that. It was the 427 Cobra and they did it because the Aston-Martin DB had established a time - Shelby's previous employer....
@@caribman10 Wasn't the Aston Martin time like 23 seconds? The gap to the Cobra was ridiculous.
@@ralphjones1930 What would a 427 powered DB have done , a bit less than 23 seconds I guess !
Ken Miles got screwed on this deal. He was the real winner but I personally feel this was Fords way of saying we didn't want you in the first place.
He wasn't sexy.. Simple as that.
Watch Shelby be interviewed about Le Mans, it was not Ford or his VP, but Shelby that instigated it and it was one of his biggest regrets.
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@@realecomkid Thank you for this. This was the best hearing it straight from Shelby.
But Shelby knew that Miles was necessary, although McLaren was another good test driver.
All he had to do was press the pedal a bit harder destiny was in his own hands there and he missed his opportunity
For me the original movie (le Mans) with Steve Mcqueen was the start of my enthousiasm of motorsport in general and LeMans & FormuleOne in special
Check out Grand Prix...with James Garner......great classic movie
That was probably the best of the motor racing films.
@@christopherhale5445 Both movies are the greatest. McQueen Le Mans is almost a documentary. I remember having a huge size Porche 917 poster (gulf livery) in my room in nthe 70s. An Grand Prix had all the drama.
It is a great shame that the vast majority of people who watched the "Ford v Ferrari" movie, believe it to be factually accurate. "Ford v Ferrari" is a Hollywood movie, and its purpose is to entertain, not educate. It is riddled with inaccuracies. To understand the truth, watch a documentary or read a book about the 1966 Le Mans 24 Hour.
Thanks for watching!
The ones who were genuinely interested in the truth after watching the movie would of dug deeper afterwards. Movies based on true stories are never 100% accurate but in this case it helped shine a light on unknown legends to a newer generation. Really glad this movie got made.
Yes movie magic stretches truths but the one saving grace of cinema is people who otherwise may not have had interest can find interest in something they otherwise may not have...
It is factually accurate if you think that from a corporate point of view, Ford simply couldn't care less who is behind the wheel. They needed an American win and finishing 1 2 3 together just rubbing the win on Ferrari's face.
@@shkhamd however the ‘American’ win did not happen in ‘66, the GT40 mk2 was a British car, the Mk3 of 1967 was the first American car to win
We'll only ever have what we watched, we'll never know what happened behind closed doors. But even though mcclaren won we are all still talking about Ken why because as Christian says he was purest n the perfect lap was all that really mattered to Ken(now I can't speak for ken,n I'm sure the victory would of been nice,but there's always another race another trophy). Sure u can have shelves full of trophies but only a small percentage of those wins can you say "I really drove a perfect lap/race". U can come dead last but if you've driven your perfect lap u can smile n be happy with yourself. Different racing back then, raw no electronics. These days it's seems to easy because so much of the car/bike/boat etc is helping u.
Agreed. I think first of all he did for
Himself and maybe for his son and Shelby. Second he show what he can do to Ford. The rest doesn’t really matter to him because he knows he is the best driver of this race, so as Ford knew.
@@BoyInFancySuit Damon all but admitted the movie had little to do with fact so why equate one with the other..
@@bill2953agrree, but he didn't admit "the movie had little to do with fact"
far from it. why "equate" him saying its hard to distil someone's life into two hours and come out with "little to do with fact"
that's a bit OTT to be honest. That said, i see your point, and agree. There's no good reasoning behind that other chap's statement, it's only what he personally want's to believe, which "equates" i suppose to you listening to damon's statement and assuming what you want to believe in the face of that not actually being what he said but what you want to believe.
@@DAGATHire Right on... However, even though we agree the movie was 75% fiction it was the "over the top Hollywood" that annoyed the piss outta me. Downshifting twice on the back straight at Daytona?? wtf is that? lol But obviously that sort of thing is a lot of people's taste for entertainment where I found it trite. Oh well
The movie was amazing (FORD VS FERRARI), they could of got it accurate though, but hey this small doco sums everything up. great doco!
I miss my 63MG. Had it when i was 17, drove it like i was 35, and it ran better at 9000ft than 6500ft alt and above 4500rpm is where i kept it as often as possible!
My friends who arent super into motorsports both loved it. If it brings more people to the world of racing its a win for me. Even my buddy's wife loved it.
The correct team won, they were told to slow and let Miles catch up , that’s not racing
After watching the film I new nothing of Ken miles I do now thank you Ken what a guy ❤
For their expenditures of tens of millions Ford wanted the story to be about Ford, not about Ken Miles winning Daytona, Sebring, and LeMans. It's a shame but that's the way it was.
The Film only brought back to the forefront one of the most shocking events ever, in the Auto Racing World. Murica!
It's impossible to take a moment in history, especially one that covered years, and condense it down to just 2 hours, yet still be entertaining. The best you can hope for is to get the emotions, the tensions, and the thrill of auto racing mixed in with the main facts. The title, "Ford v Ferrari" tells you what it's about, while the characters/people takes you there. I saw the movie strictly because it was about the GT40 race car, and not because they beat Ferrari with it. That part was a bonus. Was it 100% accurate? No movie ever is, that would make it a documentary.....a very long documentary. I've seen it many times and will see it many times after this.
I have to agree. I got to watch *"Ford vs. Ferrari",* in a movie theatre, and as entertaining as it was, I've often wondered how much of the movie *really* happened, and how much were liberties taken by movie producers. For instance, I loved that one scene where Carroll Shelby took Henry Ford II for a ride in the GT40 race car, and his Ford II's reaction afterwards, him bawling like a baby. Did that *really* happen, or was that just for the movie?
@@jasoncarpp7742 Most of the movie material was accurate, but seeing that movies are made for entertainment first, they "spice" it up in places with non factual scenes, comments, etc. to make the movie appeal to a bigger audience - movie making, after all, is a business. The Deuce's ride in the GT40 with Shelby, Shelby locking Beebe in the office, HF ll speech at the factory, and Enzo being in the stands are just some of the added material that never really happened. If you would like to see a good documentary, I would strongly suggest "Go Like Hell", by A.J. Baime. No Hollywood hype in this one!
@@Loulovesspeed Thanks. I'll have to check it out. As entertaining as *"Ford vs. Ferrari"* was, I knew some scenes in the movie couldn't have happened in real life. As much as I like to be entertained, that's why we go to the movies after all, I particularly like to learn about the real people and events the movie was about.
@@jasoncarpp7742 I have a feeling The Deuce wasn't scared at all. If anything they would be tears of joy.
@@khaoticpenguin3945 I wasn't sure what Deuce was feeling throughout the demo ride. I imagine he was like *"Ohhhhh shiiiiitttt!"* and *"Please don't let me diiiieee!"*
I agree 100% with this statement --> 11:09 and it is why I _prefer_ documentaries. You can fit much more info. into the same amount of time and even discuss any controversies.
One of the coolest stories ever !
Ken and Shelby will always be in our hearts forever. Legends are not born they are made and live like Kings. Only pure and truthful Human have hearts. ❤️😘👍🎉🎊🙏
Can we just appreciate what an incredible man. Helped with engineering etc. but also at such an age was 2+ laps ahead. How was he so much better than Mclaren and co. 🤯👏🏻
None of this may ever happened if Ferrari had not disrespected Ford
Just listen to Chris Amon when he asked B Mclaren what are you going to do !
We’re gunna win.
Now bring on the prequel, 64, 65 world manufacturers championship with the Daytona coupes.
What a lovely piece.
Ferrari AF Corsa won the 2023 Lemans 58 years later with their 499P brand new hypercar. Lets see, if Ford can bring a hypercar to World Endurance Championship, and spice things up.
No one cares about that sh!t now 😂
This and The World's Fastest Indian are my two favourite motorsport movies.
@techo61 - When I first heard the title, I thought it was a movie about a champion Native American runner! Lol Absolutely a great movie.
Ford needing several attempts and years of unlimited ressources to finally beat a financially struggling Ferrari really shows how good the scuderia were at building cars.
Ford was building millions of cars and trucks and making a fortune
Enso was selling a handful of cars each year and going bankrupt
Absolutely. I agree, unfortunately Ford fans don't want to look at the facts.
This movie's one of the best examples of empathetic storytelling in recent years. I know nothing about racing, but that doesn't matter, because the characters love racing and their struggle and personal commitment to their work makes me care.
The narrator sounds like a more chipper Werner Herzog.
Ken is a racing God
Eventually, Ford's unlimited budget defeated Ferrari as very rightly explained in the film. A few years later, Porsche used the same approach, again against Ferrari, although with a far more innovative engineering than the GT 40 with the 917. However, Ford was never in a position to buy Ferrari, and no US car brands comes close to Ferrari (or Porsche) in terms of prestige. There are things money can't buy ....
@Olivier Riviere - What do you mean saying Ford was never in a position to buy Ferrari? They came as close as possible, only missing Enzo's signature. If you mean that Ferrari never really intended to sell to Ford, that's probably correct. Ford absolutely was in a position to buy Ferrari. Actually, the price they paid to build a winning prototype was considerably more than purchasing Ferrari would have been! Thankfully, for both companies, it never happened.
Porsche with far more innovative engineering, quite probably and no less impressive but still did it second to Ford. Credit where its due to anyone, even if they're not Italian or German. Eh?.
@@Loulovesspeed Yeah...thank God Ferrari sold 50% of the company to Fiat in 1969 and another 40% in 1988...that makes all the difference...
@@Loulovesspeed well said!!
Definition of 'PRESTIGE' 1: standing or estimation in the eyes of people : weight or credit in general opinion
2: commanding position in people's minds.......
The way I see it, "prestige" or "prestigious" can be very misleading much like a facade. I try not to take so much stock in a company or corporation on prestige alone. Whether it's a car manufacturer or a college/university....sometimes prestige isn't everything it's built up to be but that's just my perspective when the word 'prestige' is attached to anything.
I have researched this for years. Movie is more accurate than any documentary.
uh huh....
I just wish Carrol Shelby was still alive when the movie was made so that he could critique it.
Ken was told to slow down. Ken would have easily won.
I felt really sad for miles when he slowed down and now for his son 😞
Amazing piece of history!! What a story!
If only some of still hold the words of them today
You're father absolutely won that race. I think you know this in your heart.
He was an extraordinary man. 👍
At 12:11 Peter Miles says he's sorry his Father didn't win. He's wrong. The racing world all knew that Ken Miles won that race head and shoulders above the others but other circumstances came into play and through no fault of his own, it was taken away.
Beyond the money spent by Ford, and the combination of drivers and crew members, the winning factors may have been inside the 7-liter FE. The oiling system had been redesigned from the previous version and the valvetrain benefited from the stability of rocker shafts. I'm not sure any other pushrod engine would have lasted 24 hours at that pace.
It took 7,000cc to beat Ferrari's 3,000cc cars. How can that be fair?
Ford vs Ferrari was a good movie. But in the end that's all it was, a movie.
Even with some inaccuracies, it was still a entertaining movie. Not as good as LeMans with Steve McQueen, but very enjoyable to watch.
Hearing Christian Bale speaking in his natural accent is always so weird.
Sounds weird to those who never knew him since his child actor days I guess.
@@Pulsonar Oh but not you hipsters who followed him his whole life right? You must feel sooo cool and hip to be part of that exclusive club of dipshits.
I guess...
Hey you took it the wrong way man, no diss or mockery was meant. I only saw him by chance in Empire of the Sun as a promising Brit (Welsh) child actor, so I know what to expect. In fact, to me he sounds a little weird speaking in any accent other than his usual Brit accent. Also, I’m far older than that millennial hipsters craft beer generation that you think I’m from 😂
Really, really good short on Le Mans '66
I can only assume the comment about muscle vs technology refers to the power-plants.
I didn't see buggy springs or rubbing block brakes on the GT40, but possibly I've blacked out each time near one since '66.
One might consider that the two engines Ford considered viable were in fact passenger car designs, an engine is but one facet of what's required to win, and it makes little sense to 'reinvent the wheel' when two perfectly suited candidates already exist.
The decision to use the 427 was much debated (argued), as the additional weight did in fact result in increased lap times, brake wear, tire wear and fuel use as compared to the 289 based engine.
The basis for using the 427 was durability/reliability.
The 289 (as developed) would and did provide the horsepower required to compete, and equal to the 427 (as developed), however the 289 required considerably higher RPM to produce that power as well as being that much closer to the stress limits of its design at equivalent power.
Imparted stress on a reciprocating/rotational ass,y increases by the square of RPM, knowing full well this could be fatal in the prolonged high output requirements of Le Mans the decision was made to err(?) on the safe side.
A DNF isn't a gamble one takes when the goal is to put an arrogant little fellow from Italy in his place - on his 'home court'.
And look how that worked out...
To be honest both cars looks marvelous
Carroll Shelby and Enzo Ferrari had a lot in common.
So really the 66 Le Mans 24 hour belonged to New Zealand, with 3 Kiwi drivers, McLaren, Amon and Denny Hulme with a lone Englishman ,(Ken Miles) for support.😁😁
It was just really awsum to get to see inside a little of that years of le mans 1964 to 1967...i race moto gp bikes an have driven a simulator around 8.47 course of le mans using an F1 car with a medium downforce an theres nothing quite like lapping that 8 mile track in 3.30 minutes go flat out at 200 in to turns an just going pedal to the floor i could not imagine doing that for 45 minutes stints an fir 24hours....the track is fairly flat not elevation changes like the nurb...but in the pitch black of nite...
I was quite disappointed that the movie didn't cover the Cobra Coupe part of the story. Fords real first win @ LeMans.
I dreamt of driving at Le Mans in my car. I still do.
Bloody hell. It's a movie and the movie is" based on a true story" and not factually based documentary? Non the less a great movie!
And....... We've won again
Brilliant 🏴 👍
EPIC!!! and aften 50 years absence Ferrari won the melennial last weekend!
If you listen closely you can hear Ken Miles go "Giddy-up, giddy-up, giddy-up!"
The old 50's Ford pushrod engine made em look slow. That is the greatest thing about the whole thing because they said that engine had no chance. Wrong thing to say to American hot rod guys. I guess they didn't know the FE Ford engine family had years of racing development in NASCAR and NHRA.
@qtrhors - The 427 FE engine in the '66 MKll was first built in 1963. Not sure what you mean that it made them look slow? This engine put out significantly more HP and torque that the V12 Ferrari engine. Also, it did that at a much lower rpm than the Ferrari, which kept it from being stressed for 24 hrs. like the Ferrari was. Holman Moody of NASCAR fame built the engines and de tuned them from 500 hp to 450, which was still enough to get the job done.
As an european i can tell you, ferraris are not at all reliable not even the new ones.
That doesn't mean you should not buy one when you are an enthusiast.
12:30 isn't that the 29 car that wiped out infront of Miles in the first lap?
I did enjoy the film but the inaccuracies annoyed me a little. Wrong models used in some scenes, MKIIs shown in GT40 roles and vice versa. I kind of think the genuine story of the race was entertaining enough and there was no need for dramatizing it at all.
@Chaser Malloy - I get where you are coming from, but this isn't a truth filled documentary, it is a Hollywood film, designed to draw as many as possible into the theaters and make a nice profit for the Producers. Adding drama, like it or not, draws more people and makes more revenue. Simple as that! If you want more fact and less frills, check out AJ Bahme's "Go Like Hell", "Shelby American" by Nate Adams and Adam Carolla, and one of my favorites, "The 24 Hour War" also by Adams and Carolla.
You really do learn something everyday... America once make a car that wasn't shit once in the 60’s & Batman is British.
Once? Funny.
What I never understood about the finish was that Track officials and historians always mention Miles was up 2 laps over McLaren, so really Miles covered more ground than McLaren regardless of him starting behind Miles. Miles was cheated out of the triple crown
YOUR GETTTING A NEW RIDE ! VERY COOL !
I thought Matt Damon was playing Tommy Lee Jones playing Carol Shelby.
LOVE THIS STYUFF, SO DAMN COOL TO WATCH AND LEARN, THHANKS TO EVERYONE WHO WORKED AND SACRIFISED FOR THIS MOVIE AND IN REAL LIFE. !!! K.M.. LIVES FOREVER!!!
I Have a MatchBoxCar 4×4 Pick-Up, with The "CIBIE" Lights Livery!
Very well done
Amazing that so much work went to in the end decide to loose
FORD NEEDS TO MAKE A HYPERCAR OR LMdH
People forget Ferrari was a tiny company making a few hundred cars a year back then, it wasn't yet the behemoth it is today. Ford had to spend millions to beat Ferrari, just shows you want a titan of a racer Ferrari was.
yea chris amon & bruce mclaren🇳🇿
They were great guys , all of them