VW ID4 v Tesla Model S 3 X v Audi E-Tron v Hyundai Kona v Kia E-Niro Range efficiency and charging
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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Taking a selection of family sized Electric Vehicles on a comparison convoy. A true side by side test of efficiency, range and charging speed.
VW ID.4 first edition (not max)
Audi Etron 55 Quattro
Tesla Model 3 Long Range, S85 and X X75D
Hyundai Kona
Kia e-Nero
How fast can they recharge to get home race?
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Recharged to get home;
1st. 7 minutes - Tesla Model 3 LR
2nd. 16 minutes - Audi e-tron 55
3rd. 16 minutes - Kyundai Kona
4th. 19 minutes - Kia e-Nero
5th. 19 minutes - VW ID4
6th. 44 minutes - X75D
7th. 57 minutes - 2014 Tesla S85
Recharged to replenish ALL used.
1st. 27 minutes - Audi Etron 55
2nd. 35 minutes - Tesla Model 3 LR
3rd. c. 48 minutes - VW ID4
4th. 60 minutes - Hyundai Kona
The rest didn’t quite replenish. Too slow/had to leave etc.
Kia e-Nero stopped after 60 minutes at 92%
Model X stopped after 54 minutes at 91%
S85 stopped after 57 minute at 84%
Most expensive car to refill: etron £14.98 to charge to 100%
(I spent more in the shop 😂💁♂️)
The Tesla can draw more power at a superchargers than at these pumps vou did mention it but it is important to note
@@alanrickett2537
That's only if they're working.
Cost to recharge, to cover energy Christchurch to Gridserve 159miles.
Outbound trip typically done at home on off peak power, so around 25% of the following costs.
Gridserve currently charge 24p/Kwh
Kona - 33.28kWh used = £7.99 (64kWh useable battery)
M3 - 34.79kWh used = £8.34 (71kWh useable battery estimated)
Niro - 35.20kWh used = £8.44 (64kWh useable battery)
ID.4 - 44.66kWh used = £10.71 (77kWh useable battery)
MS - 47.90kWh used = £11.49 (76kWh useable battery estimated)
MX - 52.548kWh used = £12.61 (71kWh useable battery estimated)
eTron - 56.95kWh used = £13.67 (85kWh useable battery)
Tesla Model 3 LR: 4.76 miles / kWh. 324 miles theoretical range.
Hyundai Kona: 4.7 miles / kWh. 306 miles theoretical range
Kia Niro: 4.3 miles / kWh. 289 miles theoretical range
Volkswagen ID4: 3.6 miles / kWh. 274 miles theoretical range
Audi eTron: 2.9 miles / kWh. 237 miles theoretical range.
Tesla model X 75: 3.17 miles / kWh. 215 miles theoretical range
Tesla Model S85: 3.46 miles / kWh. 215 miles theoretical range
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@£15 it's not much cheaper than running a Q7 diesel.
Take a long time to recoup the premium paid for the EV.
@@Robert-cu9bm true, but at home using off peak tariffs, it'd be a lot less, typically 5p/kw, so only 20% of the above prices, for the outbound trip.
RICHARD, that was the best pragmatic, fact based overview. Excellent Job. It should become legendary in the assessment of current EV options. Very well done. I watched on tv, but came online to comment. Thank You. Your business deserves to continue to prosper. The right pitch at the right time in an evolving market of confusion.
Yes, I agree. Its pitched at the correct level for most people, and his subject matter and content is different to most channels.
Thank you! We learn each time. Will continue to do more and improve!
@@RSEV It's really great to see a truthful apple-to-apples test. A range test taken on the same day with all the vehicles together, and no crazy stuff like climate control off, as after all the automatic climate control is a big part of a vehicle's efficiency!
Great job.
@@RSEV have you tried a similar thing in an SR+ model 3? How much different are they efficiency wise to the LR?
@@jonathansmith5850 sr+ more efficient. Have managed 220 miles in one. Could go further with more effort.
Just so you know, I think the ionity chargers have two formats for different battery types. If your battery is on a 400V architecture, the maximum it can deliver is 150kw. It's limited to like 350amps as far as I remember.
Therefore ANY car (every Tesla uses 400v batteries) with a 400v architecture, the maximum speed an ionity charger can give is 150kw ie: 400v X 350 amps= 140kw. Why? This is because the amperage is limited to ~350amps. The cables can't take anymore. The reason Tesla V3 superchargers can take more amps is because those are specially designed cables with liquid cooling so that the cables don't overheat and melt.
If you want Tesla's 250kw V3 chargers, they are the fastest way to charge a Tesla because they can deliver more amps. 400v X 600 amps = 240kw
The only time those ionity chargers can deliver 350kw is when the car has a 800v architecture. Think Porsche Taycan. Because 800v X 400amps = 320kw. HOWEVER, here's the caveat, Porsche suddenly dropped the 350kw from their marketing when they realised they couldn't provide it. It was maxed out at 270kw which is funnily enough 800v X 350 amps= 280kw.
Note: the amperage again capping out 350amps because the cables can't take more irrespective of 400v or 800v architecture
Note 2: volts X amps = power. That formula explains It all.
Yep, with superchargers even the older x and s would be charging at over 100. This test is stupid and I guess it was to promote the etron. Model 3 would probably charge at 250 easily with v3.
CCS 2 Standart allows up to 500 A charging so ~200 kW on a 400 V System
Tesla model 3 is 350V and charges at 250kwh, model S is 400V and charges at 190kwh. The cooling method is more important than voltage
@@odisy64 kwh...you can kick out the h, does not belong there.
and the original comment is correct, the limit with most chargers is amperage and he was talking about ionity chargers, you will only get around 140kw with teslas at most ionity chargers. The higher figures are only achieved on Tesla Superchargers V3. Not a matter of cooling.
@@tzarcoal1018 without proper cooling you aren't allowed to charge at high rates. Charging speeds are heavily dependent on factors such as cooling and battery type. How do you think the model 3 was able to achieve faster charging times than the model S and X despite those cars having larger more expensive batteries.
Edmunds could learn quiet a lot from that test setup instead of comparing cars with 20° difference in temperature :D
Eh? Confused. How different are these results from Edmunds?
@@Ashes3123 The results really aren't what matters or what I'm talking about, but (thought that was obvious) the test setup which is what allows conclusions to be made for the customer.
Nice video comparison and great to see them all compared so directly. One thing to note, the e-Niro is not just different in aerodynamics than the Kona Electric, the e-Niro is also a bigger car with a longer wheelbase, which has an impact on range.
A++! You and your team at RSymons always produce AMAZING video content! I look forward to watching new uploads. Thank you for your passion, enthusiasm, and attention to detail you give to the EV community! 👍🌟
I’ve started hitting the like symbol before I watch your videos ! Excellent work brother .
Model 3 Long Range is one impressive vehicle. Amazing how far they are ahead of the pack. Can’t wait for the Model 2!!
It wasn't "that" far ahead of a car that is £10k+ cheaper! ;)
The 5 year old designed Hyundai and Kia were pretty close and they can be £15k less depending on Spec, I’m pretty sure the Ioniq 5 and EV6 will dominate these tests in a few months when they are out.
@@spikebmth £10k cheaper but much less power and no AWD, so not quite comparable. It’s safe to say though that all of these cars are impressive in their own way.
It’s not ahead. It is just more aerodynamic. The trade-off being less usable space.
ID 4 is the better package: Price, build quality, practicality, Comfort.
This has to be the most practical and informational video I have seen about using an EV in the real world. Brilliant stuff. I can now see a possible place for an ID4 in my life based on price vs living with one.
Edmunds should take note on how to actually compare EVs. Same route, same speed, same day.
Best electric review I've seen so far. Great work! 👍⚡⚡⚡💪
I am looking forward to a comparison with the KIA EV6 in autumn 2021
Can’t wait for Model Y in 🇬🇧
I ❤️ my 🇺🇸 Model Y
A very informative video for anyone considering an EV and, as pointed out, the data is as close to real world as you can get. Keep the great video content coming.
Thank you. ☺️
Really interesting video. Have yet to make the switch to EV's but a comparison like this with real world conditions certainly helps. Also encouraging to see the charging infrastructure improving, here's hoping companies like Gridserve are able to roll these out nationally which'd certainly make the switch to EV more appealing for me personally. New subscriber based on this video alone. Keep up the great work!
Make the change you wont regret it.
@@rodden1953 It'll take a lot to get me out of my B9 S4, but excited to see the offerings to coax me and others in the months and years to come. Approached Audi a few months ago regarding a used, competitively priced e-tron 55 but sadly couldn't make the numbers work. Still looking and I'm sure there'll be something one day.
That really was a great real world example, thanks Richard, I've seen a number of your videos now and love your style and down to earth'ness sir! It validates my choice even more now, my lovely Red LR Model 3 arrives in November (hopefully!) and given the results shown in this video I've made the right choice! It would have got home first, and cost the least to recharge, just what I wanted 😃
I think the big takeaway from this is that all the cars could recharge enough to get home in a maximum of 20 minutes, barely long enough to have a proper break, which I am sure you all needed when you first arrived! This just shows that once these chargers get everywhere ( a couple of years in every motorway service station?) there will be no need for ICE cars for long journeys.
Except that the two old Teslas required almost an hour to recharge enough to get home... (44 min for the X and 57 min for the S)
@@ouch1011 They are older cars with older technology in them. The battery degredation and the lower capacity for charging has a massive effect. Plus alot of people change their cars every 5 years, so alot people won't see them problems.
I can’t believe I first saw your video 3 years ago. The cars and figures are still relevant. 😊
Astonishing video, only 1 thing I wished you thought of is to include the numbers on the video while explaining, it would be much easier to pause and compare instead of replay multiple times the sections of the video. I am talking about the consumption before the charging process.
Was one of Richard's first comparison videos, delivery of data has been improved on his later videos.
Excellent video! You are really producing some very interesting and professional content now. Well done!
Really great work guys and thank you for putting this together. My takeaways are I am super impressed by the efficiency of the Hyundai as it actually matched the Model 3 - an excellent EV for the money it seems. Once again I'm a bit underwhelmed by the ID4 - its a ground up newly designed EV and its efficiency is only slightly better than a 7 year old Model S. I would have expected clear water between it and the old Tesla. Maybe its something VW can tweak with software revisions but its a surprise to me that its not better.
Given some people are asking nearly as much for an old Model S as you would pay for a new Kona I don't see the old Tesla as great value as a used EV. Shame you didn't have a Model 3 SR+ on the trip, it's the more commonly available small Tesla and it would have been interesting to see where it fitted in the group.
Damn nice test man. I'm so jealous of you Brits. We have just 3 EVs in india. And no charging infra. Don't know when we'll ever get to it though. Watching your video made me happy and hopeful of the future.
Isn't India going straight to hydrogen? I remember reading somewhere that India planned to jump to hydrogen and skip electric.
@@rubencaixeiro9762 what? 🤣 The future isn't hydrogen. It's electric. There's no jumping electric into hydrogen or anything. We skipped the hybrids. Going to go directly to electric. But it's real slow
@@surajmadhu-techgobbler I think electric will be part of the solution, but like Musk said, anything that has to be mined will run out eventually. So yes, hydrogen or any other source of energy to power an electric motor without a battery will sonner or later be needed. If not something even more complex, but by your reaction to my comment I can only imagine that I am losing my time here.
I have been watching the ev market for a couple of years now. Looks like I will be pressing the button on a Kona Premium with the 64kwh battery. This suits our needs really well. It might not look the greatest but when you are inside you don't have to look at it! 🤣
Nice video without an overkill of information, brilliant promotion for EV's!!
So good, the top 5 are all about the same since after several hours of driving everyone needs a fifteen minute break anyway. And even in our gas car we always time leaving on long trips to align with our first meal so in an EV that covers the charging time.
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Kona most efficient (equal to M3LR) and 2nd best range
It's also the smallest of them. The eNiro is 20cm longer, the ID4 40cm and probably has 50cm more cabin space than the Kona due to the shorter engine compartment.
Thanks for lending carwow your Tesla ❤️
How does this channel not have like a 100k subs
We’ve not been making the videos for long... shall we continue then?
@@RSEV yes awesome channel
@@OrganicStuff1 thanks for nice comments ☺️
Road tripping in the US we operate our Model Y between 15% to maybe 60% Max. We are blessed with SC’er spaced about 75 miles (average) apart on major highways. With a V3 SC’er we are in and out in 15 minutes. Often our BIO breaks take longer than the charging. Charging past 80% is a waste of time and money.
Not so much in the e-torn though
Really top video guys!👍. A great test. Nice to see the kona is still up there.
Great test and very fair. I really liked the test that charged to enough to get back. The reality is that I and most people would charge back up to 90% and have some lunch or a coffee etc, so the Audi for me would work better as a long range car due its faster charging speed and lack of tapering. Of course the Audi and Porsche for that matter, use the same architecture and have a buffer in the battery to prevent degradation at fast charging speeds. Cannot wait for more Gridserve centres to open up this year.
This is what ive been looking for in testing. Thank you.
The new Q8 Etron with it's longer range and basically same charging speed makes road trips very simple. Where most of them would need 3-4 stops the Etron can do it in 2 stops and you just deep charge it to 80%
A superb episode. So much detail that is relevant and presented with enthusiasm. 👍
I reckon that's helped me decide to go with the audi etron.
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@@RSEV its the comfort and refinement that sells it for me. Not interested in camera mirrors though! Good work on the content 👌
Excellent comparison video, it shows once again how good Tesla is, but that others aren't so far behind. So 350 kW chargers are still at 24p/kWh? Way to go Gridserve then! we need more of these throughout the country.
It also shows how terrible the old Teslas are and why they had to fully refresh them.
@@Psi-Storm The only reason why we have the 'new' Teslas is because the old ones were popular, bought. Even to this day, they're still pretty efficient and competitive, although not top level anymore.
I'd love to see some graphics integrated with these videos. It would make the already excellent videos a lot easier to understand.
We’re working on it. Pre Easter break we literally ran out of time unfortunately but now they’re proving quite popular we’ll start enhancing this aspect...
Yes! Esp. for all the stats quoted.
A fantastic test - and wonderful to see my old home town!
What an excellent way to visualize the differences between the cars in regards to the consumption, range and charging! Very well presented too. 👌 (For anyone in the market for the e-tron quattro, please note that it is possible to lower the consumption and make it even more comfortable by choosing the 20, or even 19-inch wheels, which are both 255 wide, instead if these 21-inch 265 wide, non staggered.. 😬)
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After watching this, the e-tron is edging to the top of my likely-to-buy list. Really impressed with the charging speed. I’m mostly doing a short work commute (only 16 miles), but often drive London to Oxford, as well as up to Scotland a couple of times a year. Looks like it’d be very comfortable with a couple of stops. I know how the Teslas look on paper, but I really can’t get along with the bodywork. Wish you’d had a Polestar 2 in the convoy! Anyway, excellent video. Seriously useful.
I’ve just test drove an e-tron. While I agree with everything you’ve said, the price of them in Australia is just insane. Even the cheapest e-tron would cost close to double of a M3LR.
It’s a nicer car inside and comfort wise, but the interior isn’t any bigger to my surprise and calibration of regen and braking still got some way to go.
I need to borrow a polestar 2 for my review on that. It suits some but it’s efficiency and charge speed are both woeful I’m afraid.
No where near competitive with Tesla on those fronts....!
(I was in the car wow 100-0% test and drove the polestar until it died...)
@@RSEV haven’t yet watched an awful lot of reviews, but it looks like the Polestar 2 does a lot of throttling while it’s charging. I was quietly keeping my fingers crossed for a magical software update allowing it more e-tron like charging. It does look like a nice environment to be in for hours at a time. Then again, so does the Audi. There’s a nagging feeling of inevitability that I’m going to end up with a M3LR, despite it being as aesthetically appealing as a melted frisbee.
@@alanngli I hear ya. Also not cheap here in the UK. One saving grace is that my company is starting up a salary sacrifice scheme, so could lease pre-tax (which in real terms means about 40% off the standard lease price, if you’re on the higher income tax bracket). Haven’t seen any of the numbers or what’s available yet, though, but could be a much cheaper alternative to actually buying the thing.
@@RomeoJulietCharlie I have a friend with a PS2 and it is a lovely car, if you are not doing too many long trips I would take it over the etron. With an M3 it's more of a lottery with build quality, however I have always found Audi's will give you issues throughout their life (not that some Audi owners will admit that). I currently own a 2021 M3LR and I couldn't be happier with it, however I could be swayed by a Polestar in the future, if they start using a dedicated BEV platform.
I have a tesla model 3 LR, i would never supercharge More than i need and absolute not over 80%. Only charge over 80% at home a night. But it the audi charge like o boss, but its very thirsty 😊
Your videos are great. All of them.
Thanks for lending Mat the cars Richard.
You guys are rocking the content. I’d definitely consider you for a my next EV after my 28kWh IONIQ but at the moment that’s suiting our needs perfectly
Isn't 10% of 50, 5 meaning 55%? Seriously, great video again Richard, becoming quite a fan of your stuff. I have a Model Y on order and am seriously looking forward to it.
I really like your videos and this one is sooo good. Thank you all guys, take all those cars and compare them side by side shows nicely how are EV getting better and better. Only thing I don't get.....why you charged up untill original percentage state? Every car has different consumption and size battery so one percent means totally different thing in each car. So obviously you have to charge big etron to 95% to cover distance that Model 3 covers on 65%. Only thing that really matters is distance charged per time in my opinion.
Thanks for leading cars to carwow Richard 🥰
Excellent real world comparison. Amazing the 6 year old tech in the Hyundai Motor Company cars is still up there with the best. Their new models released this year should be interesting
Excellent comparison on real world driving conditions. Thanks to you on the contribution. At least gives me an idea as we are so used to ignition combustion engines.. thx
Good video , if I had the money it would be a choice of either the model 3 or the kia, shame the model Y not in the UK yet
I need to admit, so far, best electric car reviews and directed at what the use of a car is. I feel sorry for car makers that are only doing SUVs, we basically buy what they have to sell. I want to replace my 05 audi saloon with an estate because I do need the space to carry tools and materials for work also as planning ahead to extend the family and I do not see an electric estate that gives me that freedom. I wouldn't mind something that charged like the audi or tesla... But the price and saloon / SUV do not open the electric door for me yet. Therefore I am at least 4/5 years away to be able to buy 1 if they ever make a good quality / range / charging speed Estate. Idea for reviews, get a roof rack for either bicycles or steps on top, boot loaded with tools and see what you can achieve in normal driving conditions, these would be the conditions I would be using it for, doing 70/75 on motorway. Keep up the good work 👍
Great video.. nice summary table stats at the end... I have Kia Niro EV (as it's called in 'the states')... Nice to see it's just slightly less efficient than its sibling Kona Electric.
In my ID.3 user manual it says to not use fast charge on a daily basis and to also not charge over 80% unless it's really necessary. All of this considerably reduces the battery life on the long term.
This is better than Top Gear.
These videos just keep getting better 👍
Thank you ☺️
Great video a lot of time and effort went into that for sure. Impressive how fast etron charges. I know some might moan saying “ EV charge quicker so better to do small stops” but we still stick out model 3 on a 50kw if we stop over lunch as feeding a 7 year old lol the car charges too quick 😂
This really sells the Tesla Model 3 for me and if you can't afford that, the Kona or slightly less so the Niro.
By far and away the best value for money electric cars.
Can't believe how inefficient the brand new vw is compared to the older Korean cars, they do need 100-150kw charging capabilities though all cars should be( apart from the small battery city EVs) these days to reduce the amount of chargers needed when EV sales take off more)
Excellent video, really enjoyed the cars and data
Just subscribed from watching this video. Really enjoyed it. The e-tron charges like an absolute beast, but I have often wondered what the long term cell degradation might be like on the e-tron, compared to other slower charging EV’s.
Since there is a buffer of about 13kwh...I don't think anyone will see a decrease within the first 8 years ans more...the buffer will hide it
Thank you for making the video, very helpful info.
Excellent video and info! Certainly makes good sense to charge up to when the charge slows down then make another stop then doing a full charge depending on your trip length. Definitely makes you look at things differently than a gas car.
Terrific comparison, well done!
Great comparison, really good to see, we will be taking delivery of our Audi e tron in a couple of months, I didn’t realise the Audi charged so well back to full. Good to know on those longer journeys, can’t wait to take that bad boy out n about. Great vids keep em coming.
Congrats. I’m picking up my e-tron 55 Sportback next week! This video only confirmed that I made the right choice. You can just top up anytime and know you have to wait shortest of any EV. Plus you get the comfort and build quality of a true luxury car.
There are certain times that the M3 LR or any Tesla really, is hard to beat. Driving a long way, e.g. North of England to Spain, a Tesla will get there with about half the amount of charging time and a lot less stress. Also, if you can't afford to be delayed or time is precious, even for relatively short journeys, better to have all regular chargers, plus the superchargers to rely on.
will be interesting to see what happens when VW increases the max charging speed from 125kW to 170kW later in the year. depending on the tapering of that higher top speed it might be beating the model 3 at least to the 90% mark (in this setup). the rest is just sacrificed for a lot more cargo room and a significantly more comfortable suspension which requires more travel of the springs and dampers which leads to a higher bonnet and then worse aerodynamics ...
Also proves why you should stop at 80% when fastcharging
Great program. Very good to compare this way. Please add more lists an graphs during the video creating even more value. Just subscribed. Great quality to watch on my 80" 4K TV. Sound also is great. Thank you.
Cheers. Trying to improve each time. 🤝
Great vlog and test. Really shows different performances to what’s important to a buyer. Never thought about charging times before. Very valid point. Thank u. (Trevor)
Your videos are great. Very interesting to watch.
Thank you
Niro slap bang in the middle
The best video on EVs in youtube period.
Thanks for the Video. Interesting indeed.
great video as always, just the sound volume difference between you chatting and intermezzo music, is too big !
Now I know why I keep seeing so many Teslas around New Milton and Lymington!
Ahhh I do miss living in ole lymo..
This was a great video, thank yoiu
Cheers for kind comment 🤝
Very informative video, great presentation of data. Thank you!
Thank you. Will work on more...
Great work! Haha, obviously the Nissan Leaf is out of this one. 😆 You can see the improvements in battery technology throughout the years.
You should do a range test, one car fully laden, 4 passengers, with suitcases of luggage vs same car same day with only the driver no luggage
excellent video, subscribed
Model Y will sell like crazy when Berlin turns on
The recharging back with 10% buffer was done incorrectly.... The 10% buffer should not be 10% SoC. It should be 10% of the energy needed or in other words, 10% extra miles. So, if it took 50% SoC to get to point B, you should charge back to 55% (1.10 x 50%SoC = 55%SoC) -- NOT 60%!
Thanks for the contribution, it is a pity that hyundai will not lend a unit from 2021 to test with good wheels, not the shit of the nexxen I have never seen such bad wheels mount on an electric car they are EB some AA are 15 km more, therefore, the difference with model 3 would be minimal.
Great video but definitely invest into looking at how you could do on screen graphics and tables when you talk about the ranges, averages etc. Tricky to remember the first car when talking about the last.
Unfortunately the SOC display is not linear on the e-niro and Kona. Run it lower in SoC you'll get lower ranges. It's because SoC is calculated based on capacity in Ah and not as a energy in Wh. As Voltage drops, you loose quite a lot of energy especially at very low SoC.
Awesome video, well done! 👏
Great video, keep up the good work! 👍🏼
Thanks!
Excellent stuff thumbsup! 👍 Would be great to see Model 3 SR+ included in future tests, this model is so often overlooked. Thanks.
Will do. I don’t get press cars so it’s literally what I happen to have in stock at the time etc. (Or who is happy to volunteer their time/car to help!)
We’ll keep them coming...
@@RSEV sure understood. Thanks I can imagine it’s quite a job to organise. The end result was definitely worth the effort though.
Would be interesting to see what the difference would be if the Tesla V3 chargers were working both on time and price.
I’d definitely be interested in this test being conducted again when the super chargers are up and running.
excellent video! Thank you so much! Like many people said/wrote already here in the comments, excellent test setup, great information through the actual physical comparison between the cars, in full view!
One thing I would be interesting in, but maybe I've overlooked that bit, is the weighed distribution of the cars relative to their battery size, translated to total cost at the charge station?
It feels though that the etron is the most advanced brute forcing its way to the number one spot, the long range is highly efficient with its energy, and on a day to day basis, to have a 7 minute charge is almost petrol time...
I wonder what the cost would be for a car with a smaller battery capacity, sans brute forcing, charging like the Kona or e-niro and given the fact they are smaller batteries, even though slower, have to refill less and due to their efficient motors their operating costs can be significantly lower? It still took "only" 20 or so minutes to recharge to get home (a full hour though to get fully replenished though, you'd do that at home I suppose).
On long journeys the etron would be your best, though most expensive, company to get you at your far away destination. The long range perhaps would offer slightly less frequent recharging requirements? Come and think of it, that might be a whole new strategy game to play with these cars, which tactic to use to get there first, and there being a 1500 mile trip for instance?
Thanks again mate, impressive stuff!
Having just placed an order for a Niro EV, with a claimed range of 455km it will be interesting to see what the achievable range will be in New Zealand conditions where we have a maximum speed limit of 100kmph. Also how these charge times compare when the ChargeNet infrastructure has a maximum capacity of 50kwh.
Excellent choice! I'm so happy with the Niro driving for 2 weeks now. 15Kw/100Km used, Charged at our locally eco grocery store for free! 15-20 minutes inside and 100Km added ad the range in 15-20 minutes being inside the shop
@@PinballGeorgio we all like free don't we, especially when it works in with our routine,. I'm glad that you are liking the vehicle and that you have managed to receive it, since placing the order we have been advised that due to manufacturing and shipping issues delivery has been bumped to December, I'm sure it will be worth the wait.
Use a Tesla V3 supercharger...I get over 225 all the time(albeit very briefly)
We went to this location because they also have v3, but they were covered up and out of order...
That was a great comparison, and an interesting video.
One question I had, and I’m not sure if there is an answer to it yet, is how the battery degradation of the first generation of EVs from carmakers like Audi, VW, Ford etc compares to the degradation of EV models that have a longer history? (I had Tesla and Hyundai in mind more than the LEAF, which we know is fairly appalling at least in part because it doesn’t have active battery temperature management)
I’ve seen some reports on UA-cam from Battery Life, a German UA-camr, of 8% degradation on an ID.3 in the first year, which sounds like quite a lot. What’s harder to assess is how typical that experience is, and in his case because he’s been doing a fair bit of testing with it the usage pattern in the first year may not be very representative.
An empty e-tron would charge longer to replentish 200 miles of range than an empty Model 3. You can put it like you want, the Model 3 is a better road tripper.
Yeh, but I’d rather be road tripping in the more luxurious e-tron and as this video showed you can just top up the e-tron as you go and not suffer too much time penalty.
@@johncanalese588 But what if there is a stretch of more than 200 miles you can drive it with the Model 3 where as the e-tron has too little range.
@@1kruxi Mate, what country do you live in? I live in Australia, you know, a very big country and we have a very un-developed EV network but still on major motorways EV charge points are closer together than 200 miles so it’s not a real world problem is it. And again if I’m going to be doing a 320km stretch I’d rather be behind the wheel of the e-tron in comfort, with nice materials to be touching, rather than a “spartan ” interior and staring at an iPad stuck to the middle of the dash.
@@johncanalese588 Sure thing, comfort is very important when driving long stretches. That's why I've bought a Model 3. Those seats are like clouds. You have to feel it to know what I mean. I'm from Austria btw. Range is king, you will know it when you drive an EV 😉
@@1kruxi mate, I’m picking up my Audi e-tron 55 Sportback next week after I have test driven many EV’s. Nice, you live in Austria (so you say), and I live in Australia - I should be the one with range anxiety, not you! You’re just kidding yourself if you think a M3 is a better tourer than the e-tron but I get it, you just have to justify your purchase at any expense!
The only thing that matters about electric cars are Efficiency, Battery size and charging speed. All new Tesla now have all of this in their electric cars lineup. The Audi Etron is hiding behind its inefficiency with big battery size and faster charging speed. It's not about charging speed.
I guess that depends. If for example you always charge at home - speed is not an issue. If you travel and longer distance then speed is factor.
We are not looking for a new car and do not yet find reasonably priced EV if you need to drive like 300 km - 600 km per day for your work.
Lets take Model 3 for example. You do not want to charge it every day like 100%. Rather like 85% -> range drops to 520km to 440km. And while on the road you cannot expect to use full battery down to 0% -> lets assume on average 15% buffer -> range is 360 km. And then doing this drive on winter time maybe you need to calculate 20% out of that and you are left with 290 km.
So for this kind of use either
1) batteries have to still get bigger
2) charging speed have to get much faster
So we are most likely still going for diesel. Which is sad as I would have like to go for BEV already ... maybe/hopefully next time in 2-3 years...
But it is good to see that many car manufactures start to be in pretty good level in efficiency and it has been a bit of surprise to me that it seems that Kia/Hyundai is leader.
1-2 years ago there was mainly just Tesla. Now there are many other good choices and 2-3 years from now I would expect most if not all are roughly at the same level -> lot of choices for everybody (like in ICE world nowadays).
And yes. Great video. No fan boy stuff for any direction. It is great that somebody will try to make objective videos. There are marketing guys already for that :)
@@mho0 I'm not sure why people would drive 300 to 600 km for their work 🙈. If you i feel for you and I hope that you find closer work commute because that horrible. Driving 200 miles to go to work is a very wasteful of your time and should try to find closer home to your work. Its bad for your help and also the environment. I truly believe efficiency is the key to electric cars not the huge battery size and rediculous charging speed. A lot of this manufacturer who show redicoulous charging speed is hiding behind their horrible effiecinecy in my opinion.
@@rj8u Work... you could think like management consultant where your customers may be like 10 km from you or 300 km from you.
But basically still agree that shorter you commute is the better.
About hiding horrible efficiency. Kia/Hyundai are promising high charge speeds and they have most efficient cars.
And if you think Audi e-tron, it is huge car like Model X and they do are that efficient.
And basically all SUVs are bad, but people want to buy them.
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