Different experiemce in many respects. We have the 2020 Model and that might make all the difference. Car is always online and from the blulink app we can see everything (charge, state, locked or not etc.) and also pre-heat/cool the car. The monitor seems much faster and the charge state of the battery is always displayed on the drivers screen as well (within 2 sec). Here is a question for you though. Why would you ever drive it in Sport mode and "gun it"? Just curious. We find it extremely comfy to drive in Eco or Comfort mode, both of which have more than enough power for any driving situation. Charging locations always seem up to date as far as I can tell - maybe because the car is always online. Greetings from Germany
@@derdenker1968 Thanks for your comments, it's very interesting to see the variance in user experience as you say it is very different, in a good way. Looking into your comments I went to Hyundia's Connectivity Centre website and input our VIN and model. Being a 2019 version ours cannot be connected to the blulink app which means no live updates, no always online. They are not being retro fitted too first generation cars. Regarding your point about sports mode and gun it, if the feature is there why not make use of it. Granted not everyone will use it, just like not everyone will use the lane keep assist, heated steering wheel and so on. Also, don't forget our other car is a Tesla Model 3 Performance, we're accustomed to rapid acceleration from a standstill with no wheel spin.
@@johntisbury just a heads up, 2019 Kia/Hyundai EVs has another liquid for the batteries. According to Kia Sweden they state that it needs replacement after 45,000 km OR every third year whichever comes first (around 28K miles according to Google) and that will cost around €770 atm to replace. No info regarding the MY 2020 but i guess it's the same. And i agree about the sport mode, coming from BMW and motorcycles i couldn't stand my slow MY 2019 Leaf in eco mode. I also handed it in after the lease without second thoughts, well no three phase and no CCS also helped.
@@johntisbury it's in Swedish but try google translate :) www.mestmotor.se/recharge/artiklar/nyheter/20200313/dyrare-servicekostnad-for-kia-e-niro-agandekalkylen-forandras-drast/ according to the article only cars from may 2019 has the new coolant, but still another expense to account for.
Really enjoyed the real world experience / opinions … getting a 2021 Kona EV this week 27k miles. Best value / range for a used EV in 🇺🇸 I can find. Like the style / looks too! Chevy Bolt here good 2nd option … went for range/charging speed, then looks! 🤞
Tesla does not have a hatch, that is why I choose my Kona. I just love the car. Also Tesla is very wishi washi with its pricing. You never know the price from one day to the next. At least in N America. I also like a to be able to bring the car to a dealer if there is a problem and Tesla is nowhere to be found in my neck of the woods.
All good points and therefore I can completely understand your choice and decision. Makes perfect sense for you to have the Kona. Thanks for your comment and information, it supports the notion that everyone's circumstances and needs are different and the car purchased should be one best suited to meet most if not all of those needs.
I have a Hyundai Ioniq HEV, really like it, and have considered a Kona EV as my next car. It's just the charging infrastructure that concerned me, but there seem to be a growing number of charging points now. I managed to update the navigation myself by downloading the files from the Internet. It's a bit of a faff, but haven't had any other issues. Excellent overview of your Kona, thanks.
The charging infrastructure is growing weekly and there are now more charging points than petrol pumps in the UK. Charging anxiety typically affects non EV owners. If you can charge at home then there's no issue, if you need to rely on 100% public charging then the amount of miles you do and your location will certainly impact how easy/convenient charging is. The good thing is charging infrastructure is still ahead of EV adoption, both of which are growing year on year.
I feel blessed regarding public charging my Kona EV here in Québec. There are two main companies Electric Circuit and FLO who maintain there equipment extremely well and a third, Petro-Canada coming into force with 150w & 250w chargers at a really economical cost/charge. Taking into account that we have sub zero temperatures and ice - snow for 6 months of the year, either the equipment is of high quality or they maintain a strict service schedule, plus the charging process is simple !
Interesting to learn of your experience. How do you think being retired will impact your future decisions as I assume you will be doing a lot less miles pa. Will you keep two rather expensive top end cars in terms of battery capacity or will you consider one large capacity battery for longer trips and not require a 64kwh battery for your second car. Just wondering. I have a Zoë March 2019 and MGZS EV March 2020 ands like you with solar PV one can be charging when using the other.
Thanks Bob. An interesting question. Initially, our retirement plan was the two cars we have now. Each have their own merits. At present that thought process has not changed, however we're not yet a year into retirement which means our view, and need, may change to swapping the Kona for a smaller range EV.
Thanks Christian that's great to hear. I do struggle with the maths TBH, I triple check everything and still get it wrong! I do enjoy making the videos, the process is very engaging and enjoyable.
Hi John, Took a test drive of the Kona and loved it. The only thing holding us back is the back seats. The legroom is not adequate and seems pretty low. Did you find it really uncomfortable on long drives ?. By the way in India we have ap choice only between MG Zs Ev and kona.
Hi Thomas, thanks for watching. I've never ridden in the back of the car, however I suspect if you are tall then yes the back seats are short and low meaning you have no upper thigh support. Leg room can be an issue if the driver / passenger puts their seat in the full back position. The MG I believe is roomier in the back. Depends how often you carry more than two people I guess.
Thank You so much John. Booked the kona ...should get it next week...some how feel the kona is a tad better....somehow will manage with back-seat....thank u
The leather seats are comfortable, the fabric seats are uncomfortable on this vehicle. Rear foot space is non existent because there is no space under the front seats.
Hi John, thanks for taking the time to make this video. Excellent sound and straight to the point! I spent a day trying different electric cars and ruled everything out but Kona and Tesla. So this video is so so useful! But I’m a bit disappointed about the public charging and also, I do wonder if it’s worth just paying more to get Tesla. I’m a little taken back to drive such an insanely expedience car but I the tax benefits really makes it the only choice. What are your thoughts in general as to Tesla vs kona as every day car?
John Tisbury I need to get fully electric and anything non electric isn’t an option, but I can’t really see any other option but Tesla right now. Do you? I had to rule out bmw i3 because the doors are absolute nightmare. I won’t be able to get my child out of that car in any public car park as you need huge amount of space to open that wretched back door! MG is really nothing special inside and only black interior which I’m so not keen! So really not much left, is there...
At the moment the choice is limited, but there are new models coming out almost every day. The other consideration is public charging verses Tesla’s supercharging network. If you are doing lots of miles then the supercharger network is your friend.
Thanks for this really useful video. I recently bought a plug-in hybrid as a stepping stone to going to a full BEV and I am already looking at candidate BEVs. Your comments on the public charging network reflect my own fears. Yes, the KONA looks good, but it is old fashioned and its style doesn't reflect its very high price. Shame Tesla don't do a Kona-sized model. Am mow waiting to see an in-depth review of the Mokka-e.
Thanks Peter for watching. The public charging network is getting better and better. However, there are few cars to beat the Tesla in terms of tech, efficiency, approach to over the air updates, and constant improvements given to your current car. The Model Y will probably be more suited to you, however we won't get those until next year.
What interests me are the differences you have in the UK from our experience in the US. Our 2019 had the BlueLink that works over the cellular network. We get that free for 3 years when we buy the car - after that we have to pay to renew the thing. It isn't clear how many people will choose to do this when the time comes. Using the cellular network has disadvantages - namely it is slower than WiFi, but I think when I first got the car, the list of chargers was static, but after a maps/navigation update, I believe the list is realtime (downloaded over BlueLInk). But if the cell network is weak or overloaded, it seems to fall back to the static list.
Thanks Eric. As you say it is interesting how the different markets are treaded by certain car manufacturers. I've no idea why they thought BlueLink should not be included in the UK specced version until the new 2020 model was released. Tesla have recently taken the same approach with cellular connectivity, 1 year free and then £9.99 per month thereafter in the UK. The Tesla does offer a better service offer for that price. I would not pay that for the Kona as it only offers live update for charging locations and traffic.
nice deadpan delivery with a dollop of humour - hurrah ! Does it excite you? Do you get excited? LOL. Useful thank you. Always good to get an owners view NOT someone who has it for half a day. So well done. I want detail about the R word RANGE of course, so range anxiety is less present; so thanks for this. Does it really get 278 mileon a full charge?
Not so much range anxiety, more the ability to charge it when you need it. Public charging network still has a way to go to make it more streamlined and reliable. One approach to payment, not the current need for a multitude of apps, charge cards or membership schemes. Once you have payment method then making sure the charger actually works. That's the anxiety, not the range.
No problem Dave. I will be doing the Tesla once it's a year old on the 28th September 2020. Just started to pull together the content, it's doing in to the service department today actually to have a fault fixed!
Hi john - I’m planning a trip in the kona from kettering to glenridding via the A1 and A66 in August. It’s 223 miles. There’s a polar 7kw at glenridding for overnight charging (post and pre journey) however I wouldn’t mind a safety net charge at instavolt at elkesley northbound and markham moor southbound). Just a 20 mi Starbucks top up each way. Instavolt seem the best indie to me. Any other thoughts on charging stops? Like you if I sit at 70 mph a 223 journey in one leg is a bit ballsy. JG
Hi Jonathan, I've done that trip a number of times in the past in a petrol rather than EV though. I just looked a ABRP and they offer the option via the A500 which is also a good route. abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=55c5e0b1-2f59-4b89-81d4-7ec60d7d3491
Hi Deb, on the new 2020 models there is an app. Mine is first gen 2019 model, so no app. Downside of being an early adopter and Hyundai’s inability to retro fit to previous model.
@@johntisbury my 2019 kona ev uses the blue link app just fine. I can see charge state, set charge preferences and remote start. Maybe they rolled it out for the launch in the USA? 🤷♂️
@@johntisbury Hi John. I noticed you also changed the info about the car specs from 64 kWh to 64 kW. however that was correct. The battery has an energy storage capacity of 64 kWh. The electric motor can deliver 150kW of power 🙂
Nice video John, I have a confession I have just sold my vw t5 and ordered a base model 3, as you no we also have a Egolf so we are now all electric with exception of the gas hob, we don’t do the mileage you have done over the last 12 months and the golf is Perfect for 95% of our journeys and where the model 3 is the most I’ve ever spent on a car I’m hoping I’ve made the correct choice, we have a other year on the lease of the Egolf so we will be looking for a other EV then 👍. As I suspect we might struggle with just one car
I am sure you will love the Model 3, whichever spec you choose, there's not too much difference in terms of the day-to-day stuff. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts once you've had it for a while. You may end up with 2 Teslas when the Egolf comes up for renewal.
I agree that the seating position being higher up is easier to get and out of. My 95 year old dad prefers the Kona for that very reason. Seats are a very personal choice as it really comes down to a person's build, likes and preferences. I don't mind the seats in either the Kona or Model 3, I have no strong liking of one over the other. Thanks for your thoughts and for watching.
How would you compare build quality between the Kona and the model 3, I have heard such horror stories regarding panel fit and general finish being not so good on Tesla vehicles ?.
Good question. Our experience has been good, the build quality between the Kona and Model 3 is the same. 2 years on they are still both good quality in terms of no rattles, squeaks or bits falling off. As ever the tales you hear are the small % of the actual quality.
@@johntisbury Tesla maybe made a change for the better. We've had two company Teslas (S and X) and both had endless problems. My department boss has his own Tesla 2 years old, one day it needed towing because of some fault in the 12 V system, took almost two weeks to fix. Owner of company also has a private one, and he have experienced software upgrades hanging the display. He has his third, and that one finally seems to work. So, out of six cars, five had significant problems. They are wonderful when they work and the simplicity using public chargers is everything you could wish for, but I wouldn't dare buying one. Where I live I got my Kona for 60% of the price of a Model 3... The cooling fluid change cost is a major drawback though. Will be every 20 months with our driving habits.
I've had a Kona Electric 64 Prem SE since Aug 2019. My experiences closely match yours. I totally agree with what you say with regards public charging, and in the UK it's a mess, though it is improving. I always avoided Ecotricity, as I have found their chargers the least reliable. I use Zap Map to plan my occasional long journeys, e.g. Chelmsford to Devon, Chelmsford to Leeds. I always plan each stop with a contingency stop a few miles on in case the chargers at the first stop are not working. Polar, GeniePoint and Pod-Point have worked best for me, but it very much depends on the routes you take, as there are big differences with charging network coverage by service provider, with for example public coverage in Devon (~Sep 2019) being much more limited compared with Tesla charging points. In terms of fuelling costs, I primarily charge at home, and depending on how heavy footed I am with the accelerator, I am spending around 1 / 7th to 1 / 10th of what I was spending on diesel for my previous BMX X3 and Land Rover Defender cars. Would I buy another Kona? It is difficult to say. Hyundai build quality is functional and good, and servicing is convenient with the dealer only 5 minutes' walk from where I live, but as you say they are a bit old school, and lack of an app form gen 1 vehicles was a big oversight. Hyundai are about to set-up a dedicated EV brand, so maybe they will take the opportunity to reinvent themselves? I definitely think Tesla is in the lead with EV technology and software, and still improving. I avoided buying the Model 3 when first released in the UK, as I was concerned over Tesla's poor QA and customer service record at the time, though this does seem to have improved. I am seriously considering replacing my Kona with a Tesla Model Y as it approaches its 3rd birthday. The VW ID3 looks interesting, but I know VW will piss me off when I start to the look at the cars list of optional extras which will be almost as long as War & Peace!
Great thoughts and interesting your Kona experiences are so similar to mine. The market is moving rapidly, however legacy auto manufacturers are still 5 - 10 years behind Tesla in approach, software, development and innovation.
The comment on the ID.3 made me chuckle. How correct you were. The trim levels are unnecessarily confusing. Working out what trim has what gives me a headache 🤯
I didn’t know this. We forced Hyundai UK to buy ours back after ours needed a new battery after disclosure of their battery fire fiasco and how they mismanaged it.
@@johntisbury Had main battery replaced as well at 15,000 miles - it wasn't even in the recall but was replaced for free. I think 2001-up models should be more reliable.
@@Peppermint1 I lost faith in them as a company and their ability to tell the truth and keep their customers informed. It was a very poorly handles recall. They took far too long to respond to the issue and then added a further delays in getting the battery swapped over.
I never bring my car to the dealer for map updates, simply download the map updates from Hyundai website, copy and paste to memory card. I had 60k kms. for just about a year now. The only issue was the 12v battery died and i had to replaced and the hyundai dealer don't want to consider the warranty, so I have to pay for it.Other than that it is a solid car.
That's great to hear that you can update your maps remotely where you are. I wish they did that here in the UK. There's no option to get updates and download them from the Hyundai UK website. I've just checked again. The only option it MapCare where you take your car to the dealer for them to update the maps free of charge.
You're right about the lack of live updates on 2019, but Hyundai listened to the criticism and reacted. So from 2020 model onward travel updates are included. That's not to say suddenly the kona matches tesla for s/w design. Tesla s/w is outstanding. But kona is arguably best of the rest, imo and certainly won in our price bracket.
Thanks Andy, they added the app too for the 2020 model, which was another oversight in my opinion on the Gen 1 cars. Like most products, there are good and bad points.
John, greetings from Canada. Great video. But your obvious lack of clear understanding of units Kw and Kwh is quite distracting until I realize what you actually mean and apply the correct unit. Remember, a Kw is a unit of power and a kWh is a unit of energy. So, you need 1000 watts (1 Kw) to run 1000 watt light bulb but you will need one KWh to keep that same bulb lit for a full hour., 24 KWh to keep it running for a full day, etc..
Interesting listening to your experiences until sadly you started to say miles per kilowatt (kW) instead of the correct 4.4 miles per kilowatt-hour (kWh) being a capacity value and then all references after that were incorrect even saying your electric costs were pence per kilowatt, and not per kilowatt-hour.
Thank you for watching Colin. Noted on the terminology, I must try and get that into my head! I always seem to get it wrong. Appreciate you pointing it out, will be extra attentive on my next video.
If you knew what's coming ahead, I am sure that your thoughts and point of view on the Tesla 3 would certainly change. Make sure that you watch this video in the future. You might be shocked about some of your personal conclusions made today. (BTW, great video! watched it til the end. Thanks)
Thanks Albert, we need more people like you on UA-cam! I'm sure you are right, hindsight is a wonderful thing. I've looked back at some other of my earlier videos, apart from them being rather awful in terms of my presentation, the opinions have largely stayed the same. However, as you quite rightly point out, circumstances change and so can your point of view. We shall see!
You missed interesting bit, choice of Tesla Chargers in South Yorkshire. Considering early VW e-Up at the mo. Charging Network good enough that won't get stuck.
Thanks Alex, we use the Tesla Superchargers at Tankersley Manor in Barnsley when we need to or the Superchargers at Woodhall Services on the M1. Tesla is well catered for across the UK. The e-UP is a great car, there was a good review of it on Fully Charged channel. The public charging network is improving for sure, however it's not as fast or reliable at the Tesla Superchargers. It's certainly getting there, but has a way to go to have a single approach for payment.
But if I have to pay as much for that car without the software updates and all that you mentioned one might as well get a Tesla. Like you said.. it's as if the company was producing and ICE vehicle. Maybe another future version will be better.
The newer Gen 2 of the Kona has had improvements. However, software updates are still via the dealer. Only benefit is an app to control various functions of the car. So yes, it is still as if they are producing an ICE vehicle as you say.
Hello, I am about to buy a 2019 Kona. I was at the Hyundai dealership yesterday and was told that this unit was not subject to battery replacement. Can I rely on this information 100%? The vehicle is unfortunately no longer under warranty, the previous owner did not complete the service interval. Should I go for it? I'm a bit afraid of the engine bearings.
Hi, tricky to say. Surest way to double-check is get the VIN number, there's a plate at the bottom of the windscreen with it on. Then key that into Gov.UK website or Hyundai's website for confirmation to whether it was effected, not all of the 2019's were.
No-one can deny that Tesla are leaps and bounds ahead of the EV game. It's literally in front of us to see. My issue with Tesla vehicles comes from a finance perspective. Not everyone can afford to drop 40k to buy a vehicle outright, and that is where Tesla falls down. Despite the M3SR+ being only slightly more expensive that's it's rivals in a similar price bracket (ID.3, Kona Ultimate etc.), both the down payment and monthlies are in some cases double to own a Model 3. The model 3 is the one I want, but the ID.3 or Kona Ultimate will be what I end up with when I finally decide which route to go.
Have you considered looking at the secondhand market which would give you more options for finance. Electric cars don't suffer from the same issues ICE engines do of being thrashed and maintenance and service schedules ignored. Lease vehicles are appearing regularly as their 2 year lease comes up for renewal. Just a thought, if you really want a Tesla then you may find that you will never really be happy with your choice if you go to another brand.
@@johntisbury Yeah, I have been tinkering with a used one on AutoTrader, but Tesla cars are holding value as well as a German car would so it's only slightly better; Then you're in that weird middle-ground of thinking you could pay a bit more for a brand new car. What's really happened here though, for my personal situation, is the government grant reduction had made Tesla a less attractive option as they increased the value of car to accommodate that loss of cash from the government incentive. Might be worth keeping an eye out in the next few months though. Cheers for the reply 😊
Hmmm...that's interesting. I'm guessing you are not based in the UK. I have visited the Hyundia's Connectivity Centre website and input our VIN and model. Being a 2019 version ours cannot be connected to the blulink app which means no live updates, no always online.
The BluLink app was introduced on the Gen 2 models, which had the larger 10" media screens. They were available from 4th quarter 2019 onwards. Mine is a Gen 1 model with the 8' screen.
Ok my car had 319,000 km (about 200,000 miles on the speedometer when I bought ) and when I overturned on the motorway it had 704,655 km, otherwise I would have reached surely over 1,000,000 km on the speedometer...God bless you.
A difficult question to answer outright as there are so many variable and criteria to consider. Are you buying outright for the longterm, leasing or company car. Depending on where you live in the world will influence your decision. If you live in Norway where 75% of all new cars sold have plugs (BEV & PHEV) then a electric version makes sense. Then you need to look at residual value on diesel is very poor and petrol will soon be going the same way, again based on purchase option, outright, lease etc. For me it's clear, an electric version is the clear winner in terms of savings on servicing costs, fuel costs as well as being environmentally friendly. That for me is the better long term option. For others based on their needs, circumstances, budget and so on, that outcome may be different.
eventually governments will need to tax fossil cars to slow down climate change; they just aren't ready to be honest with the public yet.. and it might be too late by the time they get around to it
@@Lord_Winston I tried the Niro kona and soul and eventually ended up with the soul. A lot of head room and space and exactly the same motor and battery. The base model 3 is only 50kwh while the kona soul and niro is at 64.
Great video john i don't think you are stupid ! waiting for the 12 month video of the model 3 . My leaf is 30 mouths old would I buy another no but for the same reason as you. At the time there was not a lot of choice it does what it says on the tin & no problems at all. Just waiting till its 3 years old then it will be a long range tesla but in 6 months you just don't know what cars there will be. Might just wake up one day and order one I just think it is a shame to get rid of a car under warranty? Carn't wait for the next video
There will be many good quality used EVs on market soon with leases and warranties expiry dates come up which will be great for those who want to get into EV ownership on a lower budget. The Model 3 video will be fun to make, I'm looking forward to doing that one too. End of September!
That was very interesting. I don't have an EV, but will get one within the next 3 years, so your comparison with th model 3 was very enlightening. The issues with non Teslas seem very much related to the charging infrastructure and the company mindset. My facebook is being spammed by Kia advertising their plug-in hybrids, including the Niro, which can do an astonishing 30km on battery. Astonishing, because the eNiro will do 500km. So why on earth are they even making a plug in version? The traditional car makers are only making electric models to satisfy governments, and doing the minimum they can to market them.
Yup, hybrids are a transitional solution that allows the manufactures to still sell petrol engined cars, and allows customers to take a small step towards an electric car. I have had Toyota hybrids before getting an EV, I would never go back to one now. They are old technology, however as you've seen car manufacturers are still trying to make us buy them!
It's a good question however you'd be hard pushed to get a definitive answer on based on my experience and others of Hyundai sharing information. 1. The dealership has no say in the matter and would not know the plans and approach going forwards for BEV 2. Hyundai are well known for being tight lipped, even about the current models. Have a look the video I did about our Kona EV first service and the misinformation and lack of updates about the fires and the battery management software.
@@johntisbury I'm from Romania. Here the top model 64 battery (luxury +) is 31.000E, after government incentives (+10.000E). I mention this because i'm waiting for Kona model 2021 and opening a Tesla shop here in Romania. The model 3, long range is with 12.000E more expansive. I'm not sure that i want to pay +40.000E for a Tesla...
@@johntisbury In canada here, the Kona has a better range than the base model tesla model 3 tesla. You also get a reversible heat pump with the kona which makes it even better. That means less usage on your batteries further extending its range and cycles because you are putting less depth of discharge on your battery. Or a much more power efficient way to heat your car while sitting around enjoying the view somewhere.
During the past two years there have been a total of 12 incidents in which electric vehicles have caught fire in South Korea. All the fires have occurred in the Kona Electric, a model produced by Hyundai.
@@Stoic-of-Rome it appears so Mark. In the news in the past 2 or 3 days I've seen it too. 25,500+ units being recalled starting 16th October our to potential production faults in the high-voltage battery. No idea if this is the same issue where the BMS software was updated or a new issue. Hyundai as ever not forthcoming with their information.
Nice informative video, we also have a Kona 64kw, done a number of longer journeys between 2019 and 2021 however despite more and more rapid chargers being installed we actually found more that don't work for various reasons, or only 1 charger was available and someone else was using it! So our 180 miles round trip ended up being a lottery with rapid chargers, especially eco trinity which often did not work at all. So on our last trip we arrived at 4 different rapid chargers and could not charge due to faults or someone else charging. So like you we have just ordered Tesla M3P, because I don't want the stress of the rapid charger lucky dip Kona is a good reliable and I agree the boot up process is slow but I really miss not having a app to pre heat the car. So the car in that respect is a backwards compared to many other EV's I would not buy any car that does not have a good reliable charing network.....I have owned a number of electric cars for 6 years now and what they all have in common is they use the same rapid charging network which is dominated by Eco Tricity who have all the major motorway service stations locations, and trust me that most of the time they don't work! So this results in you having to come off the motorway and try and find a rapid charger.....then your stood in the rain and wind unable to charge because you need the card or App....crazy I would like to see the government to force all chargers to accept contactless payments and also the ability to fine companies who have chargers in locations that don't work. I have no idea how ecotricity have managed to make any money with chargers that often don't work in the best locations! I guess they have the sole rights to these locations and maybe they want someone to make them a offer (millions) to take on the poorly maintained network. So that's my experience having owned a Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, Kona 64kw, Renault Zoe and soon to come Tesla M3P wahooo!
Enjoy your M3P, it’s a blast! The charging infrastructure is slowly improving. Ecotricity are the worst. Yesterday it was announced that Gridserve are partnering with Ecotricity and upgrading and fixing the network. Which is a step forward. 100% agree with all your points.
@@johntisbury Hi John, always had my eye on a Tesla and been sitting on the fence. I think what really swung it was Eco Tricity non working chargers and even started having issues with trusted chargers I grown to rely on. Well that was it, my mind was made up....so thank you eco tricity. Yes I did see that video about eco tricity joining someone who knew what they are doing, good luck to them and hope for all our sakes they do a proper job and we see large banks of chargers ar ALL motorway service stations. But I'm no prepared to wait 2 years or for this dream to be reality. Even today I was in Wymondham Norfolk and I see 2 chargers that I tried 2 years ago, but sadly they did not work, so I walked upto them both and notice both of them had that no entry sign on the LCD display, obviously still nit working...hahaha I did not need a charge but had to laugh and shake my head as I walked away. It must be a sign I'm making the right decision...hahahaha
@@johnmasters9747 you will love the Tesla supercharger network. You arrive, you reverse up to the concrete stop just nudge it with your rear tyres. You get out, open the charge port, pick the charging cable and plug it in. That's it. Nothing else to do apart from play backgammon, watch Netflix, UA-cam of whatever whilst you charge. It's how charging should be.
Sadly we got a 2020 Hyundai Ioniq and we can not make the 180 mile stretch in Oregon that does not have ANY chargers. We had to pull into a RV park (100 degrees heat waiting in the park $20 charge). I wished we had a longer range. We did not look at range when we got the car. We should have gotten the Kona.
It's quite common on front wheel drive cars to get wheelspin. The large amounts of torque from an EV, plus poor quality tyres they fit as standard it's wheelspin city if you're heavy footed from a standing start.
Nice review. The cars are a bit too pricey for me to buy, but I rented both and came to a different conclusion. I found the auto wipers and auto high beams worked better on the Hyundai. I loved the regen paddles and the ability to control lights and wipers if I did need to. I had no issues charging at public charge points, and was quite a bit surprised by that as I did expect problems. The Tesla definitely has much less body roll and it is great to get over the air updates. Software wise Tesla is far ahead. It's kind of like having an early iOS device vs. an early Android. Android finally managed to blend the different ecosystems, and hopefully something similar will happen with public charging networks. Anyway, thanks for the review.
Thanks Pawel. I can see the draw of having control over the lights, wipers and regeneration, that makes sense and it a good point in the Kona's favour. I sometimes swap to manual control on the Tesla's wipers when it's a very fine mist the rain. For most of the time I never use the wipers as I use RainX on the windscreen and water skims off above 45mph. I find the manual paddle regeneration can be a little cumbersome if you ever have to turn the wheel and regen at the same time, especially if it's a tight turn at slow speeds. Like most things there are plusses and minuses. Thanks for your thoughts thought, good to hear another viewpoint and someone's experiences.
The more non vital add ons will always add more faults as the car ages. Just look at older ICE cars that have lots of electronics. Renault a real cause for concern and seen this for myself with a neighbour always bringing cars home from Renault dealership trying to replicate faults or check intermittent faults. CAN BUS the worst system in any car.
The MY20 has the ‘BlueLink’ app, which must be registered by a dealer. And not all dealers are doing so before handing over the vehicle. However, its syncing with the car seems unreliable. It works for days or weeks at a time, then it conks out. Requiring a re-sync, that only a dealer can do.
Yes the bluelink app came in with the 20 model. Otherwise nope, nope, nope. Yes the dealership can enable bluelink app, but I did my own in 5 minutes when I got home. It has proved reliable day after day - and I use it most days. Never heard of anyone requiring what you call "resync" - and I chat daily with many owners across several forums.
The number keeps rising, last I heard in the news it was 77,000 which is probably worldwide. Not had any confirmation yet. Also not sure if this is a new recall to the BMS recall that was done in July 2020.
That what l like about Britain, music, arts, culture, and life sciences, tech, academia, Here in Britain leading the world in battery technology that will help cut CO2 had tackle climate change and produce green jobs for the next generation….
You won't get your kWh for 5p in the UK even on a night tariff, the cheapest I have seen is 12p a kWh so work it out from that and it will be more realistic I think.
He who would make such a pun wouldn't hesitate to pick at pocket. "watts it been like." This horrible pun, *watt* am i to do. I'm *shocked*. This kind of pun is *EV*il. If I sue you I am not sure what I will *charge *you with in my complaint. I'm not sure what kind of range I can sustain my calm after this pun--I am suffering from *range anxiety*. All jokes aside... Man it sounds like you don't like this car at all. You're basically saying to buy a tesla. wow, 6 miles per kwh. That's crazy efficient. For me efficiency is just a meh issue because your daily commute should just be well within the available range for the car. As long as you have that, it's just a marginal issue of how much you are paying for electricity, which even in an inefficient EV is not very much electricity. But of course, more efficiency is better. Thanks for the info about the service plan with the service book. That is basically reason enough for me not to buy a kona. I have pretty serious hesitations about buying a Hyundai anyway, but I have seen so many glowing reviews of the Kona. Other than yours. Thanks for your careful review.
This outcome changed once Hyundai announced faulty Battery packs and ours was one of them. Their handling and customer relations were appalling so I forced them to buy back the car.
thanks, very interesting. I had a cheap Hyundai years ago that spontaneously burst into flames, and I therefore have a strong prejudice against Korean cars generally. But I saw so many good reviews of the Kona and the Niro (why call a car the Nero), and the car is relatively affordable. So I was thinking about it. Thanks for your review.@@johntisbury
@PeterJames143 Nero and Kona share the same software and most components, sister companies. The Nero is a better design but would not buy from the company again due their poor ethics and customer service a
During this time you payed over 30,000 £ for new car. I payed for my new car 1,900 € (an Audi A3 1.9 tdi, production year 1997, consumption between 0,8 till 1,4 gallons of diesel per 60 miles, oil change each two month + oilfilter => 30€; air filter each 4 month about 7 €; brake disks and pads each 60,000 miles every second year) now who is cheaper ? Ok, I repair alone and never had money for a new car, I and my wife have 6 children...
Thanks for watching. Interesting stats and sorry to hear your car got totalled on the motorway. A fair comparison needs to compare like for like; apples with apples. You car will be cheaper if you do your own maintenance etc. However, over the longer term an electric vehicle will work out cheaper. For example the cost of diesel has not included to travel the 385,655km (704,655km - 319,000km) or 239,634 miles. That's around 15,950.00 litres of diesel. An average price in euros of €1.20 = €19,140.00 based on your average consumption figures. Every year you are spending that whilst I will be saving money on fuel costs.
6 children? Will you explain killing the environment to each individually or will you wait for all to grow up and hold a meeting? Perhaps with less children you could afford a lot more stuff. And so would the children. Too late now, of course.
@@tudormontescu6275 ,they are grown up, a caretaker for sick people, a bank manager and three doctors. Is this enough for you ??? The little one is still a schoolchild. Are you pleased now ???
If you bought a used EV it would be cheaper than the Audi to run and would pay for itself eventually. In the UK, you would be charged to drive into some cities using a car of that age because it is too polluting now compared to modern cars. Also, road tax is free for EVs, you can get discounts for parking in some towns, and charging is very cheap if you can charge from home on special tariffs. Some people also get free charging at work.
When you have a Tesla, any other EV is going to feel second class. I have a BMW i3, which I love, and this is why I am resisting test driving a Tesla, once I do, I know I will no longer love my i3.
I’ve not been in the back of a police car so unable to verify. 4 years on and for us our Tesla Model 3 Performance is the best car we’ve ever had. Handling, acceleration, quietness, lack of problems, software and UI interface is next level. Compared to other EVs Tesla are years ahead of competitors
I stopped watching after eight minutes when it became increasingly apparent that you were biased towards the Tesla, having owned both. As a potential new EV buyer we all know that the Tesla is probably the best, however, it is probably more expensive.
The Tesla at time of recording was just £5K more, so not vastly more expensive. I covered this detail later in the video, after you had stopped watching.
@@johntisbury We bought one of the last gen 1 Konas last week, we won't be taking it to Hyundai for servicing. Hence the usefulness of your video to we late coming EV users.
@@davidreece1642 Glad it was helpful. The car itself is good, just Hyundai approach to customer service was the final straw for us. We use Cleevely Mobile www.cleevelymobile.co.uk for servicing now for our EVs, they visit your home and service them and don't rip you off. I hope you enjoy the car and the electric experience. It's very addictive.
Why did you bother saying at the beginning its not a TESLA/KONA compare video as you did compare the 2 all the way through leaving the Kona looking really poor your a typical spoilt tesla driver, you even include a blown tyre as a negative against the KONA ???, does the tesla make 6 miles per kWh you didnt bother to mentions its best daily score i presume its lower
Thanks for watching Gavin. I think you may have misheard me on all the points you've raised. I've included the actual script down below from the video so you can review. What I said at the beginning was and I quote: "Our other EV is a Tesla Model 3, which we’ve had for 10 months at the time of recording this. This means we have a comparison to gauge the Kona against. However, this comparison is not going to be its 0-60 mph times, top speed, cubic luggage space type of video. There’s plenty of those videos already on UA-cam. This is looking at the car from a day-to-day usage perspective. It’s our daily driver, what’s it been like." Issues with the car and blown tyre and I quote: "INone, nada, nowt, zilch. No issues at all. Nothing has broken, gone wrong or stopped working. Pre Delivery Inspection was good and there were no faults or issues that needed to be rectified. So no issues to report....." "The only incurred out of pocket expense for the car was a £119 for a new tyre due to a puncture in the side wall from a nail. That’s not the fault of the car as it could have happened to any car, however, I’ve included it for completeness." Our Kona does not make 6 miles per kWh, from the script I say; "To date our average is 4.4 miles per kWh. That covers our 12 months of driving and 9,926 miles." I stand by what I've said comparing the two cars from a day-to-day perspective. Nothing has changed. Having lived with both cars for over 12 months as daily cars, my review is how I find both cars. If you have both cars you may come to a different conclusion, that does not mean that I am wrong and you are right. Everyone's needs, opinions and experiences are different. 3, which we’ve had for 10 months at the time of recording this. driver, what’s it been like.
@@johntisbury Hi John. I know its not your fault its UA-cam trying to increase their revenue. Personally I have never purchased anything based on advertising but have been influenced by good UA-cam content....Many thanks for your reply.. Regards Graham
@@northernirelandfootanklecl1767 it's a review of key things that have happened during 12 months of ownership. A puncture and a broken charger are all part of the ownership experience. Just like a chip on a windscreen that then needs to be replaced. No fault of the car, but it happens.
12 months flew by with the Kona. Those with 2019 Gen 1 Kona's is your experience similar to mine?
Different experiemce in many respects. We have the 2020 Model and that might make all the difference. Car is always online and from the blulink app we can see everything (charge, state, locked or not etc.) and also pre-heat/cool the car. The monitor seems much faster and the charge state of the battery is always displayed on the drivers screen as well (within 2 sec).
Here is a question for you though. Why would you ever drive it in Sport mode and "gun it"? Just curious. We find it extremely comfy to drive in Eco or Comfort mode, both of which have more than enough power for any driving situation. Charging locations always seem up to date as far as I can tell - maybe because the car is always online. Greetings from Germany
@@derdenker1968 Thanks for your comments, it's very interesting to see the variance in user experience as you say it is very different, in a good way.
Looking into your comments I went to Hyundia's Connectivity Centre website and input our VIN and model. Being a 2019 version ours cannot be connected to the blulink app which means no live updates, no always online. They are not being retro fitted too first generation cars.
Regarding your point about sports mode and gun it, if the feature is there why not make use of it. Granted not everyone will use it, just like not everyone will use the lane keep assist, heated steering wheel and so on. Also, don't forget our other car is a Tesla Model 3 Performance, we're accustomed to rapid acceleration from a standstill with no wheel spin.
@@johntisbury just a heads up, 2019 Kia/Hyundai EVs has another liquid for the batteries. According to Kia Sweden they state that it needs replacement after 45,000 km OR every third year whichever comes first (around 28K miles according to Google) and that will cost around €770 atm to replace. No info regarding the MY 2020 but i guess it's the same.
And i agree about the sport mode, coming from BMW and motorcycles i couldn't stand my slow MY 2019 Leaf in eco mode. I also handed it in after the lease without second thoughts, well no three phase and no CCS also helped.
This is interesting and worrying to know about. Nothing mentioned in the service schedule about a battery fluid cooling change. Thank you.
@@johntisbury it's in Swedish but try google translate :)
www.mestmotor.se/recharge/artiklar/nyheter/20200313/dyrare-servicekostnad-for-kia-e-niro-agandekalkylen-forandras-drast/
according to the article only cars from may 2019 has the new coolant, but still another expense to account for.
Really enjoyed the real world experience / opinions … getting a 2021 Kona EV this week 27k miles. Best value / range for a used EV in 🇺🇸 I can find. Like the style / looks too! Chevy Bolt here good 2nd option … went for range/charging speed, then looks! 🤞
Good to hear, I hope you enjoy the car.
Tesla does not have a hatch, that is why I choose my Kona. I just love the car. Also Tesla is very wishi washi with its pricing. You never know the price from one day to the next. At least in N America. I also like a to be able to bring the car to a dealer if there is a problem and Tesla is nowhere to be found in my neck of the woods.
All good points and therefore I can completely understand your choice and decision. Makes perfect sense for you to have the Kona. Thanks for your comment and information, it supports the notion that everyone's circumstances and needs are different and the car purchased should be one best suited to meet most if not all of those needs.
I have a Hyundai Ioniq HEV, really like it, and have considered a Kona EV as my next car. It's just the charging infrastructure that concerned me, but there seem to be a growing number of charging points now. I managed to update the navigation myself by downloading the files from the Internet. It's a bit of a faff, but haven't had any other issues. Excellent overview of your Kona, thanks.
The charging infrastructure is growing weekly and there are now more charging points than petrol pumps in the UK. Charging anxiety typically affects non EV owners. If you can charge at home then there's no issue, if you need to rely on 100% public charging then the amount of miles you do and your location will certainly impact how easy/convenient charging is. The good thing is charging infrastructure is still ahead of EV adoption, both of which are growing year on year.
good review. like you honesty at the end.
Thank you.
I feel blessed regarding public charging my Kona EV here in Québec. There are two main companies Electric Circuit and FLO who maintain there equipment extremely well and a third, Petro-Canada coming into force with 150w & 250w chargers at a really economical cost/charge. Taking into account that we have sub zero temperatures and ice - snow for 6 months of the year, either the equipment is of high quality or they maintain a strict service schedule, plus the charging process is simple !
That’s good to hear, certainly takes the worry out of travel.
A bit lengthy but good value video. Lot of useful information. Thank you Sir.
Thank you, sorry it was so long.
Interesting to learn of your experience. How do you think being retired will impact your future decisions as I assume you will be doing a lot less miles pa. Will you keep two rather expensive top end cars in terms of battery capacity or will you consider one large capacity battery for longer trips and not require a 64kwh battery for your second car. Just wondering. I have a Zoë March 2019 and MGZS EV March 2020 ands like you with solar PV one can be charging when using the other.
Thanks Bob. An interesting question. Initially, our retirement plan was the two cars we have now. Each have their own merits. At present that thought process has not changed, however we're not yet a year into retirement which means our view, and need, may change to swapping the Kona for a smaller range EV.
You can get the live updates using a wifi dongle and a free payg sim from Three.
Thanks, certainly an option, good idea.
John, absolutely enjoying your videos. Love the math behind everything. Wonder when TopGear will contact you?
Thanks Christian that's great to hear. I do struggle with the maths TBH, I triple check everything and still get it wrong! I do enjoy making the videos, the process is very engaging and enjoyable.
Hi John,
Took a test drive of the Kona and loved it. The only thing holding us back is the back seats. The legroom is not adequate and seems pretty low. Did you find it really uncomfortable on long drives ?. By the way in India we have ap choice only between MG Zs Ev and kona.
Hi Thomas, thanks for watching. I've never ridden in the back of the car, however I suspect if you are tall then yes the back seats are short and low meaning you have no upper thigh support. Leg room can be an issue if the driver / passenger puts their seat in the full back position. The MG I believe is roomier in the back. Depends how often you carry more than two people I guess.
Thank You so much John. Booked the kona ...should get it next week...some how feel the kona is a tad better....somehow will manage with back-seat....thank u
Enjoy the car.
The leather seats are comfortable, the fabric seats are uncomfortable on this vehicle. Rear foot space is non existent because there is no space under the front seats.
Hi John, thanks for taking the time to make this video. Excellent sound and straight to the point! I spent a day trying different electric cars and ruled everything out but Kona and Tesla. So this video is so so useful! But I’m a bit disappointed about the public charging and also, I do wonder if it’s worth just paying more to get Tesla. I’m a little taken back to drive such an insanely expedience car but I the tax benefits really makes it the only choice. What are your thoughts in general as to Tesla vs kona as every day car?
Thank you for watching. As I have both cars I would take the Tesla over the Kona every time.
John Tisbury I need to get fully electric and anything non electric isn’t an option, but I can’t really see any other option but Tesla right now. Do you? I had to rule out bmw i3 because the doors are absolute nightmare. I won’t be able to get my child out of that car in any public car park as you need huge amount of space to open that wretched back door! MG is really nothing special inside and only black interior which I’m so not keen! So really not much left, is there...
At the moment the choice is limited, but there are new models coming out almost every day. The other consideration is public charging verses Tesla’s supercharging network. If you are doing lots of miles then the supercharger network is your friend.
Thanks for this really useful video. I recently bought a plug-in hybrid as a stepping stone to going to a full BEV and I am already looking at candidate BEVs. Your comments on the public charging network reflect my own fears. Yes, the KONA looks good, but it is old fashioned and its style doesn't reflect its very high price. Shame Tesla don't do a Kona-sized model. Am mow waiting to see an in-depth review of the Mokka-e.
Thanks Peter for watching. The public charging network is getting better and better. However, there are few cars to beat the Tesla in terms of tech, efficiency, approach to over the air updates, and constant improvements given to your current car. The Model Y will probably be more suited to you, however we won't get those until next year.
What interests me are the differences you have in the UK from our experience in the US. Our 2019 had the BlueLink that works over the cellular network. We get that free for 3 years when we buy the car - after that we have to pay to renew the thing. It isn't clear how many people will choose to do this when the time comes. Using the cellular network has disadvantages - namely it is slower than WiFi, but
I think when I first got the car, the list of chargers was static, but after a maps/navigation update, I believe the list is realtime (downloaded over BlueLInk). But if the cell network is weak or overloaded, it seems to fall back to the static list.
Thanks Eric. As you say it is interesting how the different markets are treaded by certain car manufacturers. I've no idea why they thought BlueLink should not be included in the UK specced version until the new 2020 model was released.
Tesla have recently taken the same approach with cellular connectivity, 1 year free and then £9.99 per month thereafter in the UK. The Tesla does offer a better service offer for that price. I would not pay that for the Kona as it only offers live update for charging locations and traffic.
nice deadpan delivery with a dollop of humour - hurrah ! Does it excite you? Do you get excited? LOL. Useful thank you. Always good to get an owners view NOT someone who has it for half a day. So well done. I want detail about the R word RANGE of course, so range anxiety is less present; so thanks for this. Does it really get 278 mileon a full charge?
Not so much range anxiety, more the ability to charge it when you need it. Public charging network still has a way to go to make it more streamlined and reliable. One approach to payment, not the current need for a multitude of apps, charge cards or membership schemes. Once you have payment method then making sure the charger actually works. That's the anxiety, not the range.
@@johntisbury thanks for that - a really useful real world review. I like it. Have you reviewed the Tesla yet?
No problem Dave. I will be doing the Tesla once it's a year old on the 28th September 2020. Just started to pull together the content, it's doing in to the service department today actually to have a fault fixed!
Great points!
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching
Hi john - I’m planning a trip in the kona from kettering to glenridding via the A1 and A66 in August. It’s 223 miles. There’s a polar 7kw at glenridding for overnight charging (post and pre journey) however I wouldn’t mind a safety net charge at instavolt at elkesley northbound and markham moor southbound). Just a 20 mi Starbucks top up each way. Instavolt seem the best indie to me. Any other thoughts on charging stops? Like you if I sit at 70 mph a 223 journey in one leg is a bit ballsy.
JG
Hi Jonathan, I've done that trip a number of times in the past in a petrol rather than EV though. I just looked a ABRP and they offer the option via the A500 which is also a good route. abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=55c5e0b1-2f59-4b89-81d4-7ec60d7d3491
Cool! I’ll try ABRP as opposed to zapmap
There's a mobile version and/or web version too. I find it's better than zapmap.
I'm confused. For my Hyundai I can do just about everything from the Blue Link app. I can lock it, start it remotely, turn on the AC, all of it.
Hi Deb, on the new 2020 models there is an app. Mine is first gen 2019 model, so no app. Downside of being an early adopter and Hyundai’s inability to retro fit to previous model.
@@johntisbury ah gotcha. Thanks
@@johntisbury my 2019 kona ev uses the blue link app just fine. I can see charge state, set charge preferences and remote start. Maybe they rolled it out for the launch in the USA? 🤷♂️
That must the case Travis. I’ve checked online and 2019 UK Gen 1 models are unable to use the blulink app.
Thanks for the review. I'd like to point out that the solar setup in your description incorrectly states kWh instead of kW.
Thank you, will correct.
@@johntisbury Hi John. I noticed you also changed the info about the car specs from 64 kWh to 64 kW. however that was correct. The battery has an energy storage capacity of 64 kWh. The electric motor can deliver 150kW of power 🙂
@@vlinderbeest LOL, thank you for looking after me!
Nice video John, I have a confession I have just sold my vw t5 and ordered a base model 3, as you no we also have a Egolf so we are now all electric with exception of the gas hob, we don’t do the mileage you have done over the last 12 months and the golf is Perfect for 95% of our journeys and where the model 3 is the most I’ve ever spent on a car I’m hoping I’ve made the correct choice, we have a other year on the lease of the Egolf so we will be looking for a other EV then 👍. As I suspect we might struggle with just one car
I am sure you will love the Model 3, whichever spec you choose, there's not too much difference in terms of the day-to-day stuff. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts once you've had it for a while. You may end up with 2 Teslas when the Egolf comes up for renewal.
Loved the wheel spin clips. Now why haven't I filmed that?
Thanks Nigel, one for your to-do list. 😃
Seating comfort better in Kona for an old person. Do you agree?
I agree that the seating position being higher up is easier to get and out of. My 95 year old dad prefers the Kona for that very reason. Seats are a very personal choice as it really comes down to a person's build, likes and preferences. I don't mind the seats in either the Kona or Model 3, I have no strong liking of one over the other.
Thanks for your thoughts and for watching.
How would you compare build quality between the Kona and the model 3, I have heard such horror stories regarding panel fit and general finish being not so
good on Tesla vehicles ?.
Good question. Our experience has been good, the build quality between the Kona and Model 3 is the same. 2 years on they are still both good quality in terms of no rattles, squeaks or bits falling off.
As ever the tales you hear are the small % of the actual quality.
@@johntisbury Cheers for that John
@@johntisbury Tesla maybe made a change for the better. We've had two company Teslas (S and X) and both had endless problems. My department boss has his own Tesla 2 years old, one day it needed towing because of some fault in the 12 V system, took almost two weeks to fix. Owner of company also has a private one, and he have experienced software upgrades hanging the display. He has his third, and that one finally seems to work. So, out of six cars, five had significant problems.
They are wonderful when they work and the simplicity using public chargers is everything you could wish for, but I wouldn't dare buying one. Where I live I got my Kona for 60% of the price of a Model 3...
The cooling fluid change cost is a major drawback though. Will be every 20 months with our driving habits.
I've had a Kona Electric 64 Prem SE since Aug 2019. My experiences closely match yours. I totally agree with what you say with regards public charging, and in the UK it's a mess, though it is improving. I always avoided Ecotricity, as I have found their chargers the least reliable. I use Zap Map to plan my occasional long journeys, e.g. Chelmsford to Devon, Chelmsford to Leeds. I always plan each stop with a contingency stop a few miles on in case the chargers at the first stop are not working. Polar, GeniePoint and Pod-Point have worked best for me, but it very much depends on the routes you take, as there are big differences with charging network coverage by service provider, with for example public coverage in Devon (~Sep 2019) being much more limited compared with Tesla charging points. In terms of fuelling costs, I primarily charge at home, and depending on how heavy footed I am with the accelerator, I am spending around 1 / 7th to 1 / 10th of what I was spending on diesel for my previous BMX X3 and Land Rover Defender cars. Would I buy another Kona? It is difficult to say. Hyundai build quality is functional and good, and servicing is convenient with the dealer only 5 minutes' walk from where I live, but as you say they are a bit old school, and lack of an app form gen 1 vehicles was a big oversight. Hyundai are about to set-up a dedicated EV brand, so maybe they will take the opportunity to reinvent themselves? I definitely think Tesla is in the lead with EV technology and software, and still improving. I avoided buying the Model 3 when first released in the UK, as I was concerned over Tesla's poor QA and customer service record at the time, though this does seem to have improved. I am seriously considering replacing my Kona with a Tesla Model Y as it approaches its 3rd birthday. The VW ID3 looks interesting, but I know VW will piss me off when I start to the look at the cars list of optional extras which will be almost as long as War & Peace!
Great thoughts and interesting your Kona experiences are so similar to mine. The market is moving rapidly, however legacy auto manufacturers are still 5 - 10 years behind Tesla in approach, software, development and innovation.
The comment on the ID.3 made me chuckle. How correct you were. The trim levels are unnecessarily confusing. Working out what trim has what gives me a headache 🤯
2019-2020 models severe premature motor bearing and transfer gear bearings wear problem, very expensive
I didn’t know this. We forced Hyundai UK to buy ours back after ours needed a new battery after disclosure of their battery fire fiasco and how they mismanaged it.
@@johntisbury Had main battery replaced as well at 15,000 miles - it wasn't even in the recall but was replaced for free. I think 2001-up models should be more reliable.
@@Peppermint1 I lost faith in them as a company and their ability to tell the truth and keep their customers informed. It was a very poorly handles recall. They took far too long to respond to the issue and then added a further delays in getting the battery swapped over.
@@johntisbury would you recommend a second hand kona 2019 today?
@@sam512 I would providing the battery pack had been replaced if it was subject to the recall and you have documented evidence that this was the case.
I never bring my car to the dealer for map updates, simply download the map updates from Hyundai website, copy and paste to memory card. I had 60k kms. for just about a year now. The only issue was the 12v battery died and i had to replaced and the hyundai dealer don't want to consider the warranty, so I have to pay for it.Other than that it is a solid car.
That's great to hear that you can update your maps remotely where you are. I wish they did that here in the UK. There's no option to get updates and download them from the Hyundai UK website. I've just checked again. The only option it MapCare where you take your car to the dealer for them to update the maps free of charge.
You're right about the lack of live updates on 2019, but Hyundai listened to the criticism and reacted. So from 2020 model onward travel updates are included.
That's not to say suddenly the kona matches tesla for s/w design. Tesla s/w is outstanding. But kona is arguably best of the rest, imo and certainly won in our price bracket.
Thanks Andy, they added the app too for the 2020 model, which was another oversight in my opinion on the Gen 1 cars. Like most products, there are good and bad points.
John are you advertising Tesla?
No sponsorship, paid adverts or anything like that here.
John, greetings from Canada. Great video. But your obvious lack of clear understanding of units Kw and Kwh is quite distracting until I realize what you actually mean and apply the correct unit. Remember, a Kw is a unit of power and a kWh is a unit of energy. So, you need 1000 watts (1 Kw) to run 1000 watt light bulb but you will need one KWh to keep that same bulb lit for a full hour., 24 KWh to keep it running for a full day, etc..
Thank you Dean. I do have problems getting this basic information into my thick head! Must do better.
Interesting listening to your experiences until sadly you started to say miles per kilowatt (kW) instead of the correct 4.4 miles per kilowatt-hour (kWh) being a capacity value and then all references after that were incorrect even saying your electric costs were pence per kilowatt, and not per kilowatt-hour.
Thank you for watching Colin. Noted on the terminology, I must try and get that into my head! I always seem to get it wrong. Appreciate you pointing it out, will be extra attentive on my next video.
There is an app in australia for the kona from the launch so its odd that the app is not in the UK. Its not for the lack of an app.
As you say Fred, it is most odd. I thought I was going mad, but alas no. Gen 1 2019 UK models, no app. Does not work. No idea why.
If you knew what's coming ahead, I am sure that your thoughts and point of view on the Tesla 3 would certainly change. Make sure that you watch this video in the future. You might be shocked about some of your personal conclusions made today. (BTW, great video! watched it til the end. Thanks)
Thanks Albert, we need more people like you on UA-cam! I'm sure you are right, hindsight is a wonderful thing. I've looked back at some other of my earlier videos, apart from them being rather awful in terms of my presentation, the opinions have largely stayed the same. However, as you quite rightly point out, circumstances change and so can your point of view. We shall see!
You missed interesting bit, choice of Tesla Chargers in South Yorkshire. Considering early VW e-Up at the mo. Charging Network good enough that won't get stuck.
Thanks Alex, we use the Tesla Superchargers at Tankersley Manor in Barnsley when we need to or the Superchargers at Woodhall Services on the M1. Tesla is well catered for across the UK. The e-UP is a great car, there was a good review of it on Fully Charged channel. The public charging network is improving for sure, however it's not as fast or reliable at the Tesla Superchargers. It's certainly getting there, but has a way to go to have a single approach for payment.
You can hang the cap on the thing that holds the cover
Indeed you can and I normally do, not sure why I didn't in this clip.
But if I have to pay as much for that car without the software updates and all that you mentioned one might as well get a Tesla. Like you said.. it's as if the company was producing and ICE vehicle. Maybe another future version will be better.
The newer Gen 2 of the Kona has had improvements. However, software updates are still via the dealer. Only benefit is an app to control various functions of the car. So yes, it is still as if they are producing an ICE vehicle as you say.
Hello, I am about to buy a 2019 Kona. I was at the Hyundai dealership yesterday and was told that this unit was not subject to battery replacement. Can I rely on this information 100%? The vehicle is unfortunately no longer under warranty, the previous owner did not complete the service interval. Should I go for it? I'm a bit afraid of the engine bearings.
Hi, tricky to say. Surest way to double-check is get the VIN number, there's a plate at the bottom of the windscreen with it on. Then key that into Gov.UK website or Hyundai's website for confirmation to whether it was effected, not all of the 2019's were.
Miles per kilowatt-hour, not kilowatt
Hmmm, my brain obviously not engaged.
No-one can deny that Tesla are leaps and bounds ahead of the EV game. It's literally in front of us to see. My issue with Tesla vehicles comes from a finance perspective. Not everyone can afford to drop 40k to buy a vehicle outright, and that is where Tesla falls down. Despite the M3SR+ being only slightly more expensive that's it's rivals in a similar price bracket (ID.3, Kona Ultimate etc.), both the down payment and monthlies are in some cases double to own a Model 3. The model 3 is the one I want, but the ID.3 or Kona Ultimate will be what I end up with when I finally decide which route to go.
Have you considered looking at the secondhand market which would give you more options for finance. Electric cars don't suffer from the same issues ICE engines do of being thrashed and maintenance and service schedules ignored. Lease vehicles are appearing regularly as their 2 year lease comes up for renewal.
Just a thought, if you really want a Tesla then you may find that you will never really be happy with your choice if you go to another brand.
@@johntisbury Yeah, I have been tinkering with a used one on AutoTrader, but Tesla cars are holding value as well as a German car would so it's only slightly better; Then you're in that weird middle-ground of thinking you could pay a bit more for a brand new car. What's really happened here though, for my personal situation, is the government grant reduction had made Tesla a less attractive option as they increased the value of car to accommodate that loss of cash from the government incentive.
Might be worth keeping an eye out in the next few months though. Cheers for the reply 😊
@@MisterOaks Tesla does have a habit of changing their prices on a fairly frequent basis. Especially when they want to sell cars at quarter end.
My 2019 Kona EV has an App to control the pre cooling or heating.
Hmmm...that's interesting. I'm guessing you are not based in the UK. I have visited the Hyundia's Connectivity Centre website and input our VIN and model. Being a 2019 version ours cannot be connected to the blulink app which means no live updates, no always online.
@@johntisbury I am in Australia our spec is different. As the Hyundai Auto Link has been available for i suspect 12 months.
The BluLink app was introduced on the Gen 2 models, which had the larger 10" media screens. They were available from 4th quarter 2019 onwards. Mine is a Gen 1 model with the 8' screen.
@@johntisbury One more thing everything is good the first months but what happens the next year with Tesla and Kona?
Ok my car had 319,000 km (about 200,000 miles on the speedometer when I bought ) and when I overturned on the motorway it had 704,655 km, otherwise I would have reached surely over 1,000,000 km on the speedometer...God bless you.
That's a good mileage!
@@johntisbury , its simple, you take care of your car and it will take care of you ...
Kona or Tesla?
Which one is better between Kona Electric/Petrol/Diesel in long term ?
A difficult question to answer outright as there are so many variable and criteria to consider. Are you buying outright for the longterm, leasing or company car.
Depending on where you live in the world will influence your decision. If you live in Norway where 75% of all new cars sold have plugs (BEV & PHEV) then a electric version makes sense. Then you need to look at residual value on diesel is very poor and petrol will soon be going the same way, again based on purchase option, outright, lease etc.
For me it's clear, an electric version is the clear winner in terms of savings on servicing costs, fuel costs as well as being environmentally friendly. That for me is the better long term option. For others based on their needs, circumstances, budget and so on, that outcome may be different.
Can’t know the answer to that until “the long term” has happened.
eventually governments will need to tax fossil cars to slow down climate change; they just aren't ready to be honest with the public yet.. and it might be too late by the time they get around to it
Kona is value for money! Hybrid and EV are far more better even from Tesla!
I agree the Kona is value for money, however for me I would buy another Tesla, I would not buy another Kona. Each to their own.
@@johntisbury Please test more these his cars!Every this car needs to be seen on the long run>Not only Tesla or Kona
@@Lord_Winston I tried the Niro kona and soul and eventually ended up with the soul. A lot of head room and space and exactly the same motor and battery. The base model 3 is only 50kwh while the kona soul and niro is at 64.
Great video john i don't think you are stupid ! waiting for the 12 month video of the model 3 . My leaf is 30 mouths old would I buy another no but for the same reason as you. At the time there was not a lot of choice it does what it says on the tin & no problems at all. Just waiting till its 3 years old then it will be a long range tesla but in 6 months you just don't know what cars there will be. Might just wake up one day and order one I just think it is a shame to get rid of a car under warranty? Carn't wait for the next video
There will be many good quality used EVs on market soon with leases and warranties expiry dates come up which will be great for those who want to get into EV ownership on a lower budget. The Model 3 video will be fun to make, I'm looking forward to doing that one too. End of September!
That was very interesting. I don't have an EV, but will get one within the next 3 years, so your comparison with th model 3 was very enlightening. The issues with non Teslas seem very much related to the charging infrastructure and the company mindset. My facebook is being spammed by Kia advertising their plug-in hybrids, including the Niro, which can do an astonishing 30km on battery. Astonishing, because the eNiro will do 500km. So why on earth are they even making a plug in version? The traditional car makers are only making electric models to satisfy governments, and doing the minimum they can to market them.
Yup, hybrids are a transitional solution that allows the manufactures to still sell petrol engined cars, and allows customers to take a small step towards an electric car. I have had Toyota hybrids before getting an EV, I would never go back to one now. They are old technology, however as you've seen car manufacturers are still trying to make us buy them!
In a few years when better battery will appear, did you ask Hyundai can you change the batteries?
It's a good question however you'd be hard pushed to get a definitive answer on based on my experience and others of Hyundai sharing information.
1. The dealership has no say in the matter and would not know the plans and approach going forwards for BEV
2. Hyundai are well known for being tight lipped, even about the current models. Have a look the video I did about our Kona EV first service and the misinformation and lack of updates about the fires and the battery management software.
@@johntisbury I'm from Romania. Here the top model 64 battery (luxury +) is 31.000E, after government incentives (+10.000E). I mention this because i'm waiting for Kona model 2021 and opening a Tesla shop here in Romania. The model 3, long range is with 12.000E more expansive. I'm not sure that i want to pay +40.000E for a Tesla...
@@eftimiemarius7249 that makes sense, the Tesla is certainly more expensive in your country.
@@johntisbury In canada here, the Kona has a better range than the base model tesla model 3 tesla. You also get a reversible heat pump with the kona which makes it even better. That means less usage on your batteries further extending its range and cycles because you are putting less depth of discharge on your battery. Or a much more power efficient way to heat your car while sitting around enjoying the view somewhere.
During the past two years there have been a total of 12 incidents in which electric vehicles have caught fire in South Korea. All the fires have occurred in the Kona Electric, a model produced by Hyundai.
Thank you, I did not know that is was 12, I only new of the 1 fire. Certainly more than just a coincidence.
I heard all Korean units have been recalled for a battery exchange,, is this true?
@@Stoic-of-Rome it appears so Mark. In the news in the past 2 or 3 days I've seen it too. 25,500+ units being recalled starting 16th October our to potential production faults in the high-voltage battery. No idea if this is the same issue where the BMS software was updated or a new issue. Hyundai as ever not forthcoming with their information.
Nice informative video, we also have a Kona 64kw, done a number of longer journeys between 2019 and 2021 however despite more and more rapid chargers being installed we actually found more that don't work for various reasons, or only 1 charger was available and someone else was using it!
So our 180 miles round trip ended up being a lottery with rapid chargers, especially eco trinity which often did not work at all.
So on our last trip we arrived at 4 different rapid chargers and could not charge due to faults or someone else charging.
So like you we have just ordered Tesla M3P, because I don't want the stress of the rapid charger lucky dip
Kona is a good reliable and I agree the boot up process is slow but I really miss not having a app to pre heat the car.
So the car in that respect is a backwards compared to many other EV's
I would not buy any car that does not have a good reliable charing network.....I have owned a number of electric cars for 6 years now and what they all have in common is they use the same rapid charging network which is dominated by Eco Tricity who have all the major motorway service stations locations, and trust me that most of the time they don't work!
So this results in you having to come off the motorway and try and find a rapid charger.....then your stood in the rain and wind unable to charge because you need the card or App....crazy
I would like to see the government to force all chargers to accept contactless payments and also the ability to fine companies who have chargers in locations that don't work.
I have no idea how ecotricity have managed to make any money with chargers that often don't work in the best locations!
I guess they have the sole rights to these locations and maybe they want someone to make them a offer (millions) to take on the poorly maintained network.
So that's my experience having owned a Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, Kona 64kw, Renault Zoe and soon to come Tesla M3P wahooo!
Enjoy your M3P, it’s a blast! The charging infrastructure is slowly improving. Ecotricity are the worst. Yesterday it was announced that Gridserve are partnering with Ecotricity and upgrading and fixing the network. Which is a step forward. 100% agree with all your points.
@@johntisbury Hi John, always had my eye on a Tesla and been sitting on the fence.
I think what really swung it was Eco Tricity non working chargers and even started having issues with trusted chargers I grown to rely on.
Well that was it, my mind was made up....so thank you eco tricity.
Yes I did see that video about eco tricity joining someone who knew what they are doing, good luck to them and hope for all our sakes they do a proper job and we see large banks of chargers ar ALL motorway service stations.
But I'm no prepared to wait 2 years or for this dream to be reality.
Even today I was in Wymondham Norfolk and I see 2 chargers that I tried 2 years ago, but sadly they did not work, so I walked upto them both and notice both of them had that no entry sign on the LCD display, obviously still nit working...hahaha
I did not need a charge but had to laugh and shake my head as I walked away.
It must be a sign I'm making the right decision...hahahaha
@@johnmasters9747 you will love the Tesla supercharger network. You arrive, you reverse up to the concrete stop just nudge it with your rear tyres. You get out, open the charge port, pick the charging cable and plug it in. That's it. Nothing else to do apart from play backgammon, watch Netflix, UA-cam of whatever whilst you charge. It's how charging should be.
@@johntisbury yes, can't wait!
Great videos by the way, clean and informative, thankyou.
Sadly we got a 2020 Hyundai Ioniq and we can not make the 180 mile stretch in Oregon that does not have ANY chargers. We had to pull into a RV park (100 degrees heat waiting in the park $20 charge). I wished we had a longer range. We did not look at range when we got the car. We should have gotten the Kona.
Hindsight can be a wonderful thing. You may decide to swap in the future to a vehicle with a longer range.
I have a 2018 Kona 2.0L and I've had the occasional wheel spin as well.
It's quite common on front wheel drive cars to get wheelspin. The large amounts of torque from an EV, plus poor quality tyres they fit as standard it's wheelspin city if you're heavy footed from a standing start.
Have I seen you in Swanage yesterday
Nr plate looks familiar
Nope wasn’t me.
Nice review. The cars are a bit too pricey for me to buy, but I rented both and came to a different conclusion. I found the auto wipers and auto high beams worked better on the Hyundai. I loved the regen paddles and the ability to control lights and wipers if I did need to. I had no issues charging at public charge points, and was quite a bit surprised by that as I did expect problems. The Tesla definitely has much less body roll and it is great to get over the air updates. Software wise Tesla is far ahead. It's kind of like having an early iOS device vs. an early Android. Android finally managed to blend the different ecosystems, and hopefully something similar will happen with public charging networks. Anyway, thanks for the review.
Thanks Pawel. I can see the draw of having control over the lights, wipers and regeneration, that makes sense and it a good point in the Kona's favour. I sometimes swap to manual control on the Tesla's wipers when it's a very fine mist the rain. For most of the time I never use the wipers as I use RainX on the windscreen and water skims off above 45mph. I find the manual paddle regeneration can be a little cumbersome if you ever have to turn the wheel and regen at the same time, especially if it's a tight turn at slow speeds. Like most things there are plusses and minuses. Thanks for your thoughts thought, good to hear another viewpoint and someone's experiences.
The more non vital add ons will always add more faults as the car ages. Just look at older ICE cars that have lots of electronics. Renault a real cause for concern and seen this for myself with a neighbour always bringing cars home from Renault dealership trying to replicate faults or check intermittent faults. CAN BUS the worst system in any car.
Very true Rich, older Mercs and BMWs with loads of electronics are an expensive proposition for repairs.
The MY20 has the ‘BlueLink’ app, which must be registered by a dealer. And not all dealers are doing so before handing over the vehicle. However, its syncing with the car seems unreliable. It works for days or weeks at a time, then it conks out. Requiring a re-sync, that only a dealer can do.
Does not feel like a thought through robust product offer. Thanks for the info.
Yes the bluelink app came in with the 20 model.
Otherwise nope, nope, nope. Yes the dealership can enable bluelink app, but I did my own in 5 minutes when I got home. It has proved reliable day after day - and I use it most days. Never heard of anyone requiring what you call "resync" - and I chat daily with many owners across several forums.
Watts it been like :) Brilliant
Thanks Mark :-)
All Kona EV ,s have been recalled here in Canada and USA for electrical safety issues
The number keeps rising, last I heard in the news it was 77,000 which is probably worldwide. Not had any confirmation yet. Also not sure if this is a new recall to the BMS recall that was done in July 2020.
That what l like about Britain, music, arts, culture, and life sciences, tech, academia,
Here in Britain leading the world in battery technology that will help cut CO2 had tackle climate change and produce green jobs for the next generation….
Good points. It is true when you put it like that it makes a compelling statement. Thanks for watching my video.
You won't get your kWh for 5p in the UK even on a night tariff, the cheapest I have seen is 12p a kWh so work it out from that and it will be more realistic I think.
Octopus Go tariff is 5p per kWh between 00:30 - 04:30, we were on that for 12 months.
My io iq has an app?
The newer 2020 gen 2 Kona have an app too. Mine's a Gen 1 Kona so no app.
He who would make such a pun wouldn't hesitate to pick at pocket. "watts it been like." This horrible pun, *watt* am i to do. I'm *shocked*. This kind of pun is *EV*il. If I sue you I am not sure what I will *charge *you with in my complaint. I'm not sure what kind of range I can sustain my calm after this pun--I am suffering from *range anxiety*.
All jokes aside... Man it sounds like you don't like this car at all. You're basically saying to buy a tesla. wow, 6 miles per kwh. That's crazy efficient. For me efficiency is just a meh issue because your daily commute should just be well within the available range for the car. As long as you have that, it's just a marginal issue of how much you are paying for electricity, which even in an inefficient EV is not very much electricity. But of course, more efficiency is better.
Thanks for the info about the service plan with the service book. That is basically reason enough for me not to buy a kona. I have pretty serious hesitations about buying a Hyundai anyway, but I have seen so many glowing reviews of the Kona. Other than yours.
Thanks for your careful review.
This outcome changed once Hyundai announced faulty Battery packs and ours was one of them. Their handling and customer relations were appalling so I forced them to buy back the car.
thanks, very interesting. I had a cheap Hyundai years ago that spontaneously burst into flames, and I therefore have a strong prejudice against Korean cars generally. But I saw so many good reviews of the Kona and the Niro (why call a car the Nero), and the car is relatively affordable. So I was thinking about it. Thanks for your review.@@johntisbury
@PeterJames143 Nero and Kona share the same software and most components, sister companies. The Nero is a better design but would not buy from the company again due their poor ethics and customer service a
During this time you payed over 30,000 £ for new car. I payed for my new car 1,900 € (an Audi A3 1.9 tdi, production year 1997, consumption between 0,8 till 1,4 gallons of diesel per 60 miles, oil change each two month + oilfilter => 30€; air filter each 4 month about 7 €; brake disks and pads each 60,000 miles every second year) now who is cheaper ? Ok, I repair alone and never had money for a new car, I and my wife have 6 children...
Thanks for watching. Interesting stats and sorry to hear your car got totalled on the motorway.
A fair comparison needs to compare like for like; apples with apples.
You car will be cheaper if you do your own maintenance etc. However, over the longer term an electric vehicle will work out cheaper. For example the cost of diesel has not included to travel the 385,655km (704,655km - 319,000km) or 239,634 miles.
That's around 15,950.00 litres of diesel. An average price in euros of €1.20 = €19,140.00 based on your average consumption figures.
Every year you are spending that whilst I will be saving money on fuel costs.
6 children? Will you explain killing the environment to each individually or will you wait for all to grow up and hold a meeting? Perhaps with less children you could afford a lot more stuff. And so would the children. Too late now, of course.
@@tudormontescu6275 ,they are grown up, a caretaker for sick people, a bank manager and three doctors. Is this enough for you ??? The little one is still a schoolchild. Are you pleased now ???
If you bought a used EV it would be cheaper than the Audi to run and would pay for itself eventually. In the UK, you would be charged to drive into some cities using a car of that age because it is too polluting now compared to modern cars. Also, road tax is free for EVs, you can get discounts for parking in some towns, and charging is very cheap if you can charge from home on special tariffs. Some people also get free charging at work.
When you have a Tesla, any other EV is going to feel second class. I have a BMW i3, which I love, and this is why I am resisting test driving a Tesla, once I do, I know I will no longer love my i3.
Yeah, it’s a risk. Our go to car is the Tesla over the Kona.
I test drove a model 3. underwhelmed. It's fast. But it has the approximate luxury of the back of a police car.
I’ve not been in the back of a police car so unable to verify. 4 years on and for us our Tesla Model 3 Performance is the best car we’ve ever had. Handling, acceleration, quietness, lack of problems, software and UI interface is next level. Compared to other EVs Tesla are years ahead of competitors
I stopped watching after eight minutes when it became increasingly apparent that you were biased towards the Tesla, having owned both. As a potential new EV buyer we all know that the Tesla is probably the best, however, it is probably more expensive.
The Tesla at time of recording was just £5K more, so not vastly more expensive. I covered this detail later in the video, after you had stopped watching.
I can do better - I had 2 Zoe's, a leaf and now a Kona - I think the Kona is the best
Hey. Use plugshare.com and just drop any built-in terrible software.
Good suggestion; I typically use Zap-Map or A Better Route Planner now for the Kona.
Watch at 1.5 speed unless you want to poke your eye out with a sharp pencil
No, that's in the agreement. All my subscribers poke their eye out with a sharp pencil. Subscribe and you can too!
John Tisbury good on you for having a good sense of humour with comments like this. I thank you for the enormous effort to produce this useful video.
@@lukerowlinson5534 Thank you Luke, that's good of you to say so.
How do they justify the £144 for years two and four, changing air filter and spark plugs? 🤣
Totally! Another reason why we got rid of it, an outdated service regime based on ICE cars rather than EVs.
@@johntisbury We bought one of the last gen 1 Konas last week, we won't be taking it to Hyundai for servicing. Hence the usefulness of your video to we late coming EV users.
@@davidreece1642 Glad it was helpful. The car itself is good, just Hyundai approach to customer service was the final straw for us. We use Cleevely Mobile www.cleevelymobile.co.uk for servicing now for our EVs, they visit your home and service them and don't rip you off. I hope you enjoy the car and the electric experience. It's very addictive.
The commentary is sending me to sleep, unexcited tone. Similar to everyday EV.
Do make sure you're not operating heavy machinery if you feel sleepy.
Why did you bother saying at the beginning its not a TESLA/KONA compare video as you did compare the 2 all the way through leaving the Kona looking really poor your a typical spoilt tesla driver, you even include a blown tyre as a negative against the KONA ???, does the tesla make 6 miles per kWh you didnt bother to mentions its best daily score i presume its lower
Thanks for watching Gavin.
I think you may have misheard me on all the points you've raised. I've included the actual script down below from the video so you can review.
What I said at the beginning was and I quote:
"Our other EV is a Tesla Model 3, which we’ve had for 10 months at the time of recording this. This means we have a comparison to gauge the Kona against. However, this comparison is not going to be its 0-60 mph times, top speed, cubic luggage space type of video. There’s plenty of those videos already on UA-cam.
This is looking at the car from a day-to-day usage perspective. It’s our daily driver, what’s it been like."
Issues with the car and blown tyre and I quote:
"INone, nada, nowt, zilch. No issues at all. Nothing has broken, gone wrong or stopped working. Pre Delivery Inspection was good and there were no faults or issues that needed to be rectified. So no issues to report....." "The only incurred out of pocket expense for the car was a £119 for a new tyre due to a puncture in the side wall from a nail. That’s not the fault of the car as it could have happened to any car, however, I’ve included it for completeness."
Our Kona does not make 6 miles per kWh, from the script I say; "To date our average is 4.4 miles per kWh. That covers our 12 months of driving and 9,926 miles."
I stand by what I've said comparing the two cars from a day-to-day perspective. Nothing has changed. Having lived with both cars for over 12 months as daily cars, my review is how I find both cars. If you have both cars you may come to a different conclusion, that does not mean that I am wrong and you are right. Everyone's needs, opinions and experiences are different. 3, which we’ve had for 10 months at the time of recording this. driver, what’s it been like.
Bloody fed up with banner adds.........
Agreed, creators have no control over the type of adds.
@@johntisbury Hi John. I know its not your fault its UA-cam trying to increase their revenue. Personally I have never purchased anything based on advertising but have been influenced by good UA-cam content....Many thanks for your reply.. Regards Graham
In my 1.6 auto Hyundai I can easily get wheel splin,paid £8,500 (4 years old) can you get a EV for that !
Have you driven an EV or been a passenger in on? If not, then try it and experience the acceleration and instant torque. Nothing like it.
Broken charger is nothing to do with Kona nor is a puncture. Zzzzzzz
Northern Ireland Foot & Ankle Clinic that’s what I said on the video!
Then why mention it.-zzzzzzz
@@northernirelandfootanklecl1767 it's a review of key things that have happened during 12 months of ownership. A puncture and a broken charger are all part of the ownership experience. Just like a chip on a windscreen that then needs to be replaced. No fault of the car, but it happens.
@@johntisbury Is there a spare wheel?
No there’s not. Very few new cars come with one.
What a Strange guy
With a capital S too, go me!
I like John, his reviews are great, tell the haters to pound sand.
@@jamespn thank you!
Recommend playing this video at 1.5 speed. This guy talks very slowly.
@@dh8496 I’m sure viewers can decide for themselves whether to speed it up or not.
Thank you for great explanation.
My pleasure. Thank you for watching.