I have the Granada brakes on my two 68 Mustangs. In order to use my factory 14” wheels I had a machine shop to turn down the outer diameter of the hub so the wheel would slide over it. That was 15 years ago and they have worked fine.
Back in the early 90’s I used 78 Granada spindles and brakes on my 64 Ranchero. Still driving it and the set up works great. Only hiccup was the tie rods, but the parts guy at Napa worked with me to find the right parts. We went through a lot of boxes and finally found what we needed to work with my power steering.
@@AutoRestoMod I have no bump steer problems. Only problem is a sloppy steering box. Back in the early 90’s when I was building the car I only found one company that sold new boxes, but they were out of stock and didn’t know when they would have them. I think they were made in South America. Also back then Granada conversations was the one car magazines talked about except for the companies that made disc brake conversion kits. Also the Granada spindles were free and I also just finished restoring a 66 Mustang and money was a concern. If you haven’t done a video on steering box adjustments I would really like to see one for Fords.
@@meanbird4979 Unfortunately I did the swap back in the early 90’s so it’s hard to recall. Originally my Ranchero Delux had manual steering. A friend gave me a complete power steering assembly. The tie rod assemblies fit perfectly, but we’re totally worn. When I tried to replace them by what was listed in the catalogs at Napa they weren’t even close. The parts guy started opening boxes and finally matched them to the worn out rod ends. Still driving the Ranchero and I have never an alignment since the original alignment. Everything has held up over 36k miles except for an idler arm that had a bushing fail last year.
the reason for cross drilled rotors is not for weight. its to allow the gasses that form between the pad and the rotors to escape, otherwise you get brake fade.
My father did a disk conversation on his 59 Fairlane skyliner using Granada spindles only way to use the original 14in rims but have to modify the hole for the tie rod on the spindle as the Fairlane is more wide
I’ve got CSRP spindles with Granada brakes on my 68 Mustang, they work well. I’m in New Zealand and we have strict laws with aftermarket parts so I had to have a bump steer test and they passed with no problems.
I lucked out and got a free set of Granada disks for my ‘68 Mustang. My uncle is a firefighter and they were cutting up a Granada for jaws of life training. When they were done, he got the disks before they junked it. They work good for cruising but eventually I’ll upgrade to something more performance oriented
Glad you put the link to the video about the shims in. I've been looking for that one (btw, I put the KH style disc conversion from SSBC on my 69 and love it).
Every time a Granada pops up at a local self service yard those brakes and the five lug rear end are the first items to disappear. Eventually want to convert my ‘70 Maverick
Both of those are issues that you will encounter with Granada spindles. I have not done any testing with 62-65 Fairlines spindles to know if those would be affected negatively by bump steer.
Cross drilling and angle grooving is to disperse the vaporizing pad material. The vapor causes the pad to float on the vapor reducing the stopping effectiveness. Kinda like an air hockey table.
Good information! I have the Granada upgrade on a 64 fairlane 2 door sedan and I test-fitted the original upper control arms. Wow, the caster offset is more than I thought.
I have Granada spindles/brakes on a 1960 Comet 2dr wagon and a '65 Ranchero. Both have been on the cars for 14 and 19 years. Both cars have V8 suspension and '65 Falcon V8 steering. The '65 V8 steering setup should be considered mandatory when putting this setup on a '60-'65 Falcon/Comet. Earlier V8 or six cyl steering leads to dangerous bump steer problems, the '65 setup has compatible geometry that works with the Granada setup. Both cars handle well and have no bump steer.
That is the best way, we'll be doing a video on what to upgrade on the car with the Ranchero in the next few weeks. Now that all the stuff is available to go to the '65 steering parts, I see no reason for a guy NOT to.
Can you tell me which tie rod ends you used for the ‘65 ranchero? I did the swap myself but am noticing the threads on the tie rods have ran out with no space for adjusting. Thanks.
@@meanbird4979 My Ranchero has the '65 power steering setup, so for the right outer tie rod, I used stock Granada to interface correctly with the spindle. For the left outer tie rod, that's a different story. Ford used a larger thread size on the inner and outer tie rods and sleeve on the driver side only, so a special conversion tie rod manufactured by Rare Parts was used which has the large thread size and the correct taper for the Granada spindle. If you have manual steering, just use Granada tie rod ends on both sides.
Jeff, it looks like the wagon is sporting BFGs.... I got the same tires on my 2010 NM State Police Panther.... love them tires and the tread pattern is smokin cool 😎
I bought 4 new TAs and they were the worst set of tires Ive ever had on mine. Too soft and "wormy" driving with less than 50 psi in them. Switched to Tiger Paw AWP II touring and they are super great. Drive great. Super wet and dry traction. Hard to believe the TAs are THAT bad.
I used it on a 1965 289 Mustang. used 1970 mustang upper ball jints and outer tie rod ends. They have been on the car now for 30 years. Got at a junk yard, complete front end $35. ps, same exact parts as a 1974 Maverick disc breaks, which is what I bought. I used 1970 Mustang upper ball joints and outer tie rod ends. I also bought the Maverick rim as my spare, and I use 15" X 7 Magnum 500 wheels, fit perfect. And I used no sleeves.
@@AutoRestoMod I used to build AC Cobras for a living. I did my own mods on the car. You will like this one. I took a four speed bell housing, drilled out the fulcrum two rivets. Than made a template for the four mounting hole for the transmission and the fulcrum holes. Bolted the template to the T5 bell housing, took the pivot fulcrum off for the cable, drilled the two 1965 fulcrum holes. The difference in a 3/4 spd toploader and Tremec 5spd input shaft is 5/8th of an inch. So I put a 5/8th inch solid aluminium spacer to move the 1965 fulcrum foward on the T 5 bell housing, bolting with grade 8 and metal locking nuts. I installed the 1965 clutch piviot arm with 1965 throwout bearing and 1965 soild input shaft bushing. Now all the original clutch linkage works Z-bar and all. No cables, no hydralics to route or keep away fron the exhaust. And only a discerning eye can see the Tremec. Aluminium driveshaft, Shelby drop with upper arms kicked back, 1968 biig block springs with 1/3rd coil cut, one inch front and 11/16th rear sway bar from Stambar, extra half leaf, 3:55 posey eight inch. I also have a Reed Cam, took a little piston eyebrow adjustment for clearance with the Edlebrock heads. Later model timing cover so I can replace the front seal. Another trick, I cut a lifter push rod, tapped the inside and made it adjustable with a stud. Used it to keep my roller rockers perfectly centered, than ordered the exact length. All this 30 years ago and have never touched it. The upper control arms are almost hard mounted to the frame, hardly any shims. And everything was powder coated.
Are you sure about the -3 degrees of caster on Granada spindles? This is the first time I've heard of it. I put Granada spindles on my 1970 Cougar and all attaching points seemed to be identical to the 1970 spindle. The alignment specs for 1975-1980 Granada calls for -1.25 to +.25 degrees castor. I would think this would closer to -3 degrees if caster was built into the spindle. Certainly no positive caster. The alignment specs for a 1970 Mustang call for -1 to +1 degrees. Earlier models call for a bit less but still centered around 0 degrees. It seems odd that spindles would have -3 degrees built in and then have over half that or all taken away. So on Mustang forum I saw this; "According to Dennis from CSRP the difference in offset between the Granada and 65/65 is .500". The distance between the center lines between the lower ball joint and tie rod is about 6". Here's where it gets interesting. .500"/6.00" = .0833, since the opposite over adjacent sides equal the sine of an angle, the sine of 5° = .0871. With 5° caster on a 67-73 spindle on a 65-66 car, bump steer should theoretically be the same as a 65-66 car set at 0° caster. So adding any amount of caster is your friend as to what bartl said. When I measured my 66 spindles I think I measured 6.25" which would change the caster to 3.5°." So the caster change happens on 65-66 cars by dumb luck.
I had heard from some reliable sources that the Granada spindles were different in their angle than the Torino spindles. They also are under a different part number. That is not to say that my information is completely correct. All you really trying to get is to a -3° Caster setting
@@AutoRestoMod 68-73 disc brake spindles for Mustang/ Torino have the exact same curves as Granada. Drum brakes spindles, as seem on the video, are shaped a bit differently. Yet the geometry is the identical.
Hey Jeff! Love the work you do and content as always is relevant and informative... Thank you again for messaging me back regarding my Torino shock tower... Where's the 3 on tree GT???
March 2024. I sure am glad to hear that Granada brakes wont fit on my car. After 32 years I guess that I should take them off before something bad happens. 🙄 BTW performance rotors and pads were available at NAPA 7 yrs ago.
The mustangs in 67 have the same spindles for i6 and v8 cars with disc or drums, so your spindlr can easily be converted to factory style 4 piston discs using factory style parts. Chockostangclassicmustang.com is a great source for them.
Got any thoughts on upgrading the granada calipers? I've been running those friction slide calipers on my maverick for years, and it annoying to have to change pads when one is down to nothing while the other still has allot of life on it. I've been wanting to go to a floating caliper, would the '73 mustang caliper bracket that used the floating caliper work on a granada/maverick spindle? are their any other options to put a floating caliper on a a granada spindle on a budget? I've seen factory caliper brackets that 'look' like they'd work from different vehicles... but don't know.
Hope i dont kick myself before finishing the episode do you know of a aftermarket caliper upgrade for the Granada spindle maybe a duel or 4 piston setup thanks for great episodes
You might be amazed at how many small changes Ford made to brake systems on these cars. I would say that if I were going to buy rotors I would probably buy rotors for a Granada system if that's the spindle you have. In looking at part numbers on Rock Auto they are different for either car.
For the most part, 75-80 Granada and Monarch use the same spindles and brakes, with only the Lincoln Versailles spindles being different. HOWEVER, .... Be aware that Ford did offer the Granada and Monarch with a 351W V8 in '75 and '76 (possibly '77 as well). If you have the Windsor-equipped model, or a model that was delivered with the police/heavy duty package (yes, it was an option!), you'll likely find the Versailles spindles. Finding one with the Versailles spindles is a fairly rare event, though. Seriously, if you DO find a set of those in a yard, buy the whole car if you can, and make sure you buy some lottery tickets on the way home....
I really enjoyed the video. Can you give me information on what will work on my 65 Fairlane 500 it is a year by itself and nobody has much information.
This is great information. I have a couple of questions. 1- I have found late model Mavericks (75-77) with front disc brakes. They look to be the same as the Granada in replacement parts. Is the spindle the same. 2- will the Granada spindle work on a 64 ranchero.
My brother bought a 1965 Ford Falcon last year and it had a Granada swap back in the 80's. Well now everything is worn out and we need to basically Granada swap it again 😆
Hey need your help want to do a rear differential 8.8 from a 1977 Granada to a 1970 Ford maverick grabber please help me out any information of it will fit trying to go 5 lugs I’m running 4 lugs
The Granada won't bolt up you would need a 65 66 Mustang or 63 to 65 Falcon rear axle. The 8 inch from any of those will be enough for most any six cylinder or mild V8.
I really enjoy your video and show. can you tell me. for the Granada swap does it matter if the Granada is a 6-cylinder? is year important? found a 1980 0r 1979 Granada not sure yet
I just did a disc brake upgrade on my 68 Torino, and the rear brake line has a metric fitting at the pressure valve. I can't find a 3/8X24 male to M12X1.25 female adapter anywhere. Hopefully I can find one in Birmingham tomorrow. Have you encountered this before?
my 68 mustang project has granada ft brakes, i bought all stock 68 disc/caliper/pads before i realized that i had granada brakes. now i got the caliper brackets for the mustang brakes and i see that the spindle is granada and the bearings are bigger on the granada, im assuming i cant use the 68 disc and bearings with the granada spindle or are there bearings that can adapt? ? can i use a 1970+ mustang disc and bearings,, and outer tie rod end with the granada spindle and 68 disc calipers i bought?? appreciate any help you can give
Brilliant Video cheers guys great info as my 72 Mach 1 i imported to the UK 2 years ago has 75-80 Granada front disc. Cars not on the road yet still restoring it, but I've just bought new Granada calpiers to replace for the time being but any recommendations on future brake upgrade kits and what would be the best route to go. As i need to replace all the ball joints etc I take it i may also need to get Granada Tie Rod Ends.
Where is the junkyard with Granada's in it please. I have 2 1977's and and a 1978 that could really use body parts !!!!!! Even if you know where reproduction pannels are sold. I have been looking all over with no luck. Live in Canada but it would be worth the shipping to me. Thank you
The Granada's are pretty hard to come by in my local yards. I only know of two in the "old yard" and reproduction parts are nearly zero for these cars.
Another issue with the spindles that you have is I have a 69 Ford mustang using that spindle conversion I 15 x 8 aluminum slotted wheels well work I’ve tried to fit 17 x 8 cobra R wheels and the rims drag along the tire rod to where it will damage the rim any recommendations on that issue 🤔👍😊
Hey Bud how are you I enjoy your videos very much And if you cut me I Please Ford blue lol... I have a 65 Falcon with A302 and it's under construction I bought it kind bought it kind of half of it was in the crate kind of thing But it came with It's disk brakes but they had spacers on the tires to bring them out further is there something that I could do and not use the spacers cause I'd rather not is at rather not and I think it's a Chevy pattern which I'm not obviously a big fan of but without the spacers they sit way in is there a reason for this there a reason for this relative stock suspension suspension thank you very much
I’m doing a Granada brake swap on my ‘67 Cougar (manual front drum to manual front disk). I bought a ‘75 Maverick master cylinder for manual front-disk/rear drum, and plan to purchase a manual proportioning valve for the drums. Can I keep the original distribution block and rear drum residual pressure valve? Does the new master cylinder account for the different pressure in the drum lines?
The 78 Granada(etc) brass combination valve works great for all disc/drum cars. If you find a 4 disc car, G/V, grab that valve for 4 disc. They worked great from the factory. Better than manual valves. IMO.
You can also blame mid-50s Ford owners for robbing salvage Granada spindles. I think the Granada setup was a popular mod for years. I'm looking to keep my original spindles though.
Thanks for the great information. I have the Granada setup on my 66 fairlane and I'm using the 14 inch magnum 500 wheels. My tires rub the upper control arm. What size wheel spacer should I use to make this clear? Thanks for your help.
Not a fan of spacers. Youcan upgrade to a 15 inch wheel and tire and stop the rub problems. I have read that the 3/8-inch spacer will give you the room, but as I said, not a big fan.
Mine only rub the sidewall in full droop. 215/70 tires. M500 wheels. No need to change. I did try 5/16 spacers and then the tire rubbed the fender lip during bump going up a driveway. Rather then roll the lip, I just removed the spacers.
I noticed you neglected saying this works on 1964-66 Mustang. Is there any extra things I may need to know when installing this to 4lug drum setup? I already have a 1976 ford Granada parts car so parts aren’t an issue. Great video :)
Yes. I don't like them for it. The tie rod position is way different. I would recommend getting the new Scott Drake spindles and bolt on disc brakes. You'll have a ton of time getting rid of the bump steer in the Granada spindle on that car. It can be done, but I am not sure what the procedure is.
@@ryanis_here I have the Granada set up on my 65 fastback, spindle's, rotor's , calipers and outer tie rod ends. Drives great no bump steer 1,46 60 ft at the track. Also have the Granada 9 inch in the car, perfect fit although the pinion angle has to be adjusted a bunch.
@@doughorn7257.. hi Doug , have same set-up on my 65 FB . No bump steer problems either. The only issue I have is pads dragging on discs. Is there a fix to rectify this ..cheers mate
Shims... You can install Versailles ball joints I use Granada tie rod ends inner and outer and just ream the tapers with tool from SPEEDWAY. Measure your bump steer and adjust the tie rod end position using heim joint to minimize bs between -2 and +3 inches travel. Simple.
We mentioned that Mustang Steve sells the shims for the Versatile ball joint. If you can hot rod re please provide part numbers for these things that you're talkin about.
Sorry. No numbers. Did this several times 15-25 yrs ago. My daily driver 63 Fairlane has Granada brakes/tie rods, ball bearing idler arm, etc. Granada brakes work well with top grade linings for street work. You are still limited by traction. Google "Fox Mustang bump steer kits" and you can see pictures of the bump steer correction idea for the outer tie rod end. (Home assembled kits are much less expensive.) Doing simple bump steer measuring allows a quick set up. Hope this helps. 😎
Ill mention again that if you use a Ford coil spring compresser that sucks the spring up into the tower, front end work is faster and safer. Bump steer can be checked by only removing the shocks.
Did you knew the same exact brakes were made in England by Girling in Liverpool and were the exact brakes also supplied to Rolls Royce In the early 1960's, in fact the Ford parts that were rejected ended up on Rolls Royce corniches from 1963 on
Yep. I am looking at stuff for that for an upcoming episode. To include the full size would have been to bulky for one episode, so I am splitting it off.
@@AutoRestoMod I snagged some 72 Torino disc spindles for my Galaxie. They have an awkward caliper mounting setup like the Granada. I made some brackets to mount 2001 crownvic /or cobra calipers and rotors and converted the Torino rotor-hub into just a hub. Going the aftermarket route on the drum spindles is much less work.
According to chockostangclassicmustang.com the 65 Fairlane v8 drum spindles are the sane disc or drum. They can be converted to discs using the factory style brakes. Chockostangclassicmustang.com
My personal cars. 👍 62-65 bolt right on. Use Granada tie rod ends. Ream the tapers with a tool from Speedway. When lowered 1.5 inches bump steer is very good. Keep your lower pivot points horizontal parallel with the ground👍 Make everything G parts for easy replacement.
Like so many things, it depends on your 90 percent. What will you be doing 980 percent of the time with the car? If you are doing a ton of open track and Gymkhanas, then no. If you are cruising then they will do OK.
I have the Granada brakes on my two 68 Mustangs. In order to use my factory 14” wheels I had a machine shop to turn down the outer diameter of the hub so the wheel would slide over it. That was 15 years ago and they have worked fine.
does that include granada spindles? ... and does the granada wheel bearings only work for that?
Back in the early 90’s I used 78 Granada spindles and brakes on my 64 Ranchero. Still driving it and the set up works great. Only hiccup was the tie rods, but the parts guy at Napa worked with me to find the right parts. We went through a lot of boxes and finally found what we needed to work with my power steering.
Thanks for sharing. If set up correctly, the Granada can be made to work. It still will have some bumpsteer issues that are hard to get rid of.
@@AutoRestoMod I have no bump steer problems. Only problem is a sloppy steering box. Back in the early 90’s when I was building the car I only found one company that sold new boxes, but they were out of stock and didn’t know when they would have them. I think they were made in South America. Also back then Granada conversations was the one car magazines talked about except for the companies that made disc brake conversion kits. Also the Granada spindles were free and I also just finished restoring a 66 Mustang and money was a concern. If you haven’t done a video on steering box adjustments I would really like to see one for Fords.
I have a ‘65 ford ranchero and did a Granada swap. I noticed I’ve run out of thread. Can you tell me the tie rods you used exactly? Thanks.
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Unfortunately I did the swap back in the early 90’s so it’s hard to recall. Originally my Ranchero Delux had manual steering. A friend gave me a complete power steering assembly. The tie rod assemblies fit perfectly, but we’re totally worn. When I tried to replace them by what was listed in the catalogs at Napa they weren’t even close. The parts guy started opening boxes and finally matched them to the worn out rod ends. Still driving the Ranchero and I have never an alignment since the original alignment. Everything has held up over 36k miles except for an idler arm that had a bushing fail last year.
I have them on my 64 fairlane but had to get the taper inserts to make the 64 tie rod ends to fit. Got the inserts from speedway i believe.
Really cool deep dive Jeff. Always hear them folks talkin about these brakes.
the reason for cross drilled rotors is not for weight. its to allow the gasses that form between the pad and the rotors to escape, otherwise you get brake fade.
This is the kind of information we need. I love using junkyard parts to keep the budget down. This is the way we used to do it.
My father did a disk conversation on his 59 Fairlane skyliner using Granada spindles only way to use the original 14in rims but have to modify the hole for the tie rod on the spindle as the Fairlane is more wide
I’ve got CSRP spindles with Granada brakes on my 68 Mustang, they work well. I’m in New Zealand and we have strict laws with aftermarket parts so I had to have a bump steer test and they passed with no problems.
Yep. There are a LOT of cars here that would fail Aussie Road Rego just for that kind of issue.
I lucked out and got a free set of Granada disks for my ‘68 Mustang. My uncle is a firefighter and they were cutting up a Granada for jaws of life training. When they were done, he got the disks before they junked it.
They work good for cruising but eventually I’ll upgrade to something more performance oriented
Ive had no problems with performance pads.
Tire lockup is proportional to TRACTION.
Glad you put the link to the video about the shims in. I've been looking for that one (btw, I put the KH style disc conversion from SSBC on my 69 and love it).
Every time a Granada pops up at a local self service yard those brakes and the five lug rear end are the first items to disappear. Eventually want to convert my ‘70 Maverick
I'd still recommend the aftermarket route for brakes. So few of those Granada plow through now, you might never see one.
Found a complete set for $200 on Craigslist and was a very easy install on my 70 maverick, great upgrade and worth far more than what I paid 👍
I put new 1977 Granada spindles and calipers on my 1963 Fairlane. Had to replace the tie rods ends with 1970 LTD's. Also had to go with 15" wheels.
Both of those are issues that you will encounter with Granada spindles. I have not done any testing with 62-65 Fairlines spindles to know if those would be affected negatively by bump steer.
They work great on my Maverick. Especially since they are the SAME brakes as Maverick disc brakes..
Yep.
@MTR No, not Zepher.
Man that was a lot of information. Thanks for sharing
You bet
Cross drilling and angle grooving is to disperse the vaporizing pad material. The vapor causes the pad to float on the vapor reducing the stopping effectiveness. Kinda like an air hockey table.
I agree, I still prefer the grooving to cross drilling.
Thanks for doing all the research on this.
CUZ!
put theses on my wifes ford falcon and couldn't get the pads back on thanks for the help!!
Good information! I have the Granada upgrade on a 64 fairlane 2 door sedan and I test-fitted the original upper control arms. Wow, the caster offset is more than I thought.
Yep.
The Grenada disc can work for AMC products too. It has been 10+ years but I used them on my 1970 Javelin
Yes. I had to narrow it down or my head would have esploded from all the info.
I have Granada spindles/brakes on a 1960 Comet 2dr wagon and a '65 Ranchero. Both have been on the cars for 14 and 19 years. Both cars have V8 suspension and '65 Falcon V8 steering. The '65 V8 steering setup should be considered mandatory when putting this setup on a '60-'65 Falcon/Comet. Earlier V8 or six cyl steering leads to dangerous bump steer problems, the '65 setup has compatible geometry that works with the Granada setup. Both cars handle well and have no bump steer.
That is the best way, we'll be doing a video on what to upgrade on the car with the Ranchero in the next few weeks. Now that all the stuff is available to go to the '65 steering parts, I see no reason for a guy NOT to.
Bump steer is extremely easy to correct using a heim joint.
Look it up.
Can you tell me which tie rod ends you used for the ‘65 ranchero? I did the swap myself but am noticing the threads on the tie rods have ran out with no space for adjusting. Thanks.
@@meanbird4979 My Ranchero has the '65 power steering setup, so for the right outer tie rod, I used stock Granada to interface correctly with the spindle. For the left outer tie rod, that's a different story. Ford used a larger thread size on the inner and outer tie rods and sleeve on the driver side only, so a special conversion tie rod manufactured by Rare Parts was used which has the large thread size and the correct taper for the Granada spindle. If you have manual steering, just use Granada tie rod ends on both sides.
Jeff, it looks like the wagon is sporting BFGs.... I got the same tires on my 2010 NM State Police Panther.... love them tires and the tread pattern is smokin cool 😎
Yeah, we di our BFGs around here.
I bought 4 new TAs and they were the worst set of tires Ive ever had on mine.
Too soft and "wormy" driving with less than 50 psi in them.
Switched to Tiger Paw AWP II touring and they are super great.
Drive great. Super wet and dry traction.
Hard to believe the TAs are THAT bad.
I used it on a 1965 289 Mustang. used 1970 mustang upper ball jints and outer tie rod ends. They have been on the car now for 30 years. Got at a junk yard, complete front end $35. ps, same exact parts as a 1974 Maverick disc breaks, which is what I bought. I used 1970 Mustang upper ball joints and outer tie rod ends. I also bought the Maverick rim as my spare, and I use 15" X 7 Magnum 500 wheels, fit perfect. And I used no sleeves.
Cool!
@@AutoRestoMod I used to build AC Cobras for a living. I did my own mods on the car. You will like this one. I took a four speed bell housing, drilled out the fulcrum two rivets. Than made a template for the four mounting hole for the transmission and the fulcrum holes. Bolted the template to the T5 bell housing, took the pivot fulcrum off for the cable, drilled the two 1965 fulcrum holes. The difference in a 3/4 spd toploader and Tremec 5spd input shaft is 5/8th of an inch. So I put a 5/8th inch solid aluminium spacer to move the 1965 fulcrum foward on the T 5 bell housing, bolting with grade 8 and metal locking nuts. I installed the 1965 clutch piviot arm with 1965 throwout bearing and 1965 soild input shaft bushing. Now all the original clutch linkage works Z-bar and all. No cables, no hydralics to route or keep away fron the exhaust. And only a discerning eye can see the Tremec. Aluminium driveshaft, Shelby drop with upper arms kicked back, 1968 biig block springs with 1/3rd coil cut, one inch front and 11/16th rear sway bar from Stambar, extra half leaf, 3:55 posey eight inch. I also have a Reed Cam, took a little piston eyebrow adjustment for clearance with the Edlebrock heads. Later model timing cover so I can replace the front seal. Another trick, I cut a lifter push rod, tapped the inside and made it adjustable with a stud. Used it to keep my roller rockers perfectly centered, than ordered the exact length. All this 30 years ago and have never touched it. The upper control arms are almost hard mounted to the frame, hardly any shims. And everything was powder coated.
Are you sure about the -3 degrees of caster on Granada spindles? This is the first time I've heard of it. I put Granada spindles on my 1970 Cougar and all attaching points seemed to be identical to the 1970 spindle. The alignment specs for 1975-1980 Granada calls for -1.25 to +.25 degrees castor. I would think this would closer to -3 degrees if caster was built into the spindle. Certainly no positive caster. The alignment specs for a 1970 Mustang call for -1 to +1 degrees. Earlier models call for a bit less but still centered around 0 degrees. It seems odd that spindles would have -3 degrees built in and then have over half that or all taken away.
So on Mustang forum I saw this;
"According to Dennis from CSRP the difference in offset between the Granada and 65/65 is .500". The distance between the center lines between the lower ball joint and tie rod is about 6". Here's where it gets interesting. .500"/6.00" = .0833, since the opposite over adjacent sides equal the sine of an angle, the sine of 5° = .0871. With 5° caster on a 67-73 spindle on a 65-66 car, bump steer should theoretically be the same as a 65-66 car set at 0° caster. So adding any amount of caster is your friend as to what bartl said.
When I measured my 66 spindles I think I measured 6.25" which would change the caster to 3.5°."
So the caster change happens on 65-66 cars by dumb luck.
I had heard from some reliable sources that the Granada spindles were different in their angle than the Torino spindles. They also are under a different part number. That is not to say that my information is completely correct. All you really trying to get is to a -3° Caster setting
@@AutoRestoMod 68-73 disc brake spindles for Mustang/ Torino have the exact same curves as Granada. Drum brakes spindles, as seem on the video, are shaped a bit differently. Yet the geometry is the identical.
I have a 1973 Mercury Comet with drum brakes and i want to replace with disc brakes. What will i need?
Hey Jeff! Love the work you do and content as always is relevant and informative... Thank you again for messaging me back regarding my Torino shock tower... Where's the 3 on tree GT???
Languishing in Texas. We are planning to go get it in March 2021.
March 2024.
I sure am glad to hear that Granada brakes wont fit on my car.
After 32 years I guess that I should take them off before something bad happens. 🙄
BTW performance rotors and pads were available at NAPA 7 yrs ago.
A question i own a 67 ford galaxie 500 have front break rotor now this rotors are bad dont know what part i buy to replace it.
I've heard conflicting stories that 1970-73 Mustang aftermarket disc brake packages fit the Granada spindle. Anyone know for sure?
Will that rotor and caliper fit on a spindle for a 1964 Ranchero V8 5 lug drum brakes?
Man great ford part number info Sir
Thank you 🙏🏽
No problem 👍
A lot of great info. Looking for a drum to disk upgrade on my '67 FB so this was helpful.
I would have delved into that but MAN there are a lot of kits out there.
The mustangs in 67 have the same spindles for i6 and v8 cars with disc or drums, so your spindlr can easily be converted to factory style 4 piston discs using factory style parts. Chockostangclassicmustang.com is a great source for them.
When doing a 6 cylinder power steering stang disc brake swap what linkage do you have to change?
Got any thoughts on upgrading the granada calipers? I've been running those friction slide calipers on my maverick for years, and it annoying to have to change pads when one is down to nothing while the other still has allot of life on it. I've been wanting to go to a floating caliper, would the '73 mustang caliper bracket that used the floating caliper work on a granada/maverick spindle? are their any other options to put a floating caliper on a a granada spindle on a budget? I've seen factory caliper brackets that 'look' like they'd work from different vehicles... but don't know.
Hope i dont kick myself before finishing the episode do you know of a aftermarket caliper upgrade for the Granada spindle maybe a duel or 4 piston setup thanks for great episodes
I founf this:
www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/granada-big-brake-upgrade-brackets.1208238/
Will a rotor made for 69 Torino disc brakes fit on a Granada spindle?? I can get the old 14 inch wheels to fit on the older rotor hub.
You might be amazed at how many small changes Ford made to brake systems on these cars. I would say that if I were going to buy rotors I would probably buy rotors for a Granada system if that's the spindle you have. In looking at part numbers on Rock Auto they are different for either car.
Does a Mercury spindle match-up to the Ford or Lincoln part numbers or is it a beast of it's own?
For the most part, 75-80 Granada and Monarch use the same spindles and brakes, with only the Lincoln Versailles spindles being different.
HOWEVER, ....
Be aware that Ford did offer the Granada and Monarch with a 351W V8 in '75 and '76 (possibly '77 as well). If you have the Windsor-equipped model, or a model that was delivered with the police/heavy duty package (yes, it was an option!), you'll likely find the Versailles spindles.
Finding one with the Versailles spindles is a fairly rare event, though. Seriously, if you DO find a set of those in a yard, buy the whole car if you can, and make sure you buy some lottery tickets on the way home....
Lottery tickets...he's right though.
Versailles ball joints fit most of the Fords.
I really enjoyed the video. Can you give me information on what will work on my 65 Fairlane 500 it is a year by itself and nobody has much information.
Any of the aftermarket disc brake kits that bolt to the spindle will work.
This is great information. I have a couple of questions. 1- I have found late model Mavericks (75-77) with front disc brakes. They look to be the same as the Granada in replacement parts. Is the spindle the same. 2- will the Granada spindle work on a 64 ranchero.
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what about the 66 galaxie and I've heard Granada spindles will lower you car almost 2 inches
My brother bought a 1965 Ford Falcon last year and it had a Granada swap back in the 80's. Well now everything is worn out and we need to basically Granada swap it again 😆
Pay close attention to what parts they used. HOPEFULLY some kind soul gave you the list of parts and mods.
Good show! Thanks!
Hey need your help want to do a rear differential 8.8 from a 1977 Granada to a 1970 Ford maverick grabber please help me out any information of it will fit trying to go 5 lugs I’m running 4 lugs
The Granada won't bolt up you would need a 65 66 Mustang or 63 to 65 Falcon rear axle. The 8 inch from any of those will be enough for most any six cylinder or mild V8.
Turned my hub down on a lathe and guess what a stock wheel will fit for the most part if it is say a 5 inch wheel, A 7 inch wheel will not work!
Are we talking stock 7 or aftermarket
I really enjoy your video and show. can you tell me. for the Granada swap does it matter if the Granada is a 6-cylinder? is year important? found a 1980 0r 1979 Granada not sure yet
I think that by 1975 Ford was using the same components on the six as the eight. But I can't be double sure. My interchange manual only goes to 1974.
I just did a disc brake upgrade on my 68 Torino, and the rear brake line has a metric fitting at the pressure valve. I can't find a 3/8X24 male to M12X1.25 female adapter anywhere. Hopefully I can find one in Birmingham tomorrow. Have you encountered this before?
No. That might have been the wrong nut in the wrong bin at the assembly plant.
@@AutoRestoMod I found it was a 7/16X24 thread. Thanks for your response.
Where are the numbers on the spindles? I’m not sure if I have Granada or Versailles spindles.
Sometimes the numbers are VERY faint. The should be on the back side of the strut for the upper ball joint.
my 68 mustang project has granada ft brakes, i bought all stock 68 disc/caliper/pads before i realized that i had granada brakes. now i got the caliper brackets for the mustang brakes and i see that the spindle is granada and the bearings are bigger on the granada, im assuming i cant use the 68 disc and bearings with the granada spindle or are there bearings that can adapt? ? can i use a 1970+ mustang disc and bearings,, and outer tie rod end with the granada spindle and 68 disc calipers i bought?? appreciate any help you can give
Contact Mustang Steve: mustangsteve.com/
He knows those systems way better than I do.
Brilliant Video cheers guys great info as my 72 Mach 1 i imported to the UK 2 years ago has 75-80 Granada front disc. Cars not on the road yet still restoring it, but I've just bought new Granada calpiers to replace for the time being but any recommendations on future brake upgrade kits and what would be the best route to go. As i need to replace all the ball joints etc I take it i may also need to get Granada Tie Rod Ends.
Really the only improvement that you can make them is a performance style pad and the slotted rotors that are available for them.
Hey, what about the Granada rear disc brakes. Are they worth hunting down to install on a 68 Ranchero with a 8" rear? Thanks
Not anymore. Several companies make excellent rear discs with readily available parts.
@@AutoRestoMod great, thank you!
Where is the junkyard with Granada's in it please. I have 2 1977's and and a 1978 that could really use body parts !!!!!! Even if you know where reproduction pannels are sold. I have been looking all over with no luck. Live in Canada but it would be worth the shipping to me. Thank you
The Granada's are pretty hard to come by in my local yards. I only know of two in the "old yard" and reproduction parts are nearly zero for these cars.
Another issue with the spindles that you have is I have a 69 Ford mustang using that spindle conversion I 15 x 8 aluminum slotted wheels well work I’ve tried to fit 17 x 8 cobra R wheels and the rims drag along the tire rod to where it will damage the rim any recommendations on that issue 🤔👍😊
If they are the later model Cobra Rs (like for the SN95 Mustang, the offset is wrong for the Mustang.
Hey Bud how are you I enjoy your videos very much And if you cut me I Please Ford blue lol... I have a 65 Falcon with A302 and it's under construction I bought it kind bought it kind of half of it was in the crate kind of thing But it came with It's disk brakes but they had spacers on the tires to bring them out further is there something that I could do and not use the spacers cause I'd rather not is at rather not and I think it's a Chevy pattern which I'm not obviously a big fan of but without the spacers they sit way in is there a reason for this there a reason for this relative stock suspension suspension thank you very much
Sounds like a a cobbled together system. I'd get a set of stock spindles and source a set of aftermarket brakes.
I’m doing a Granada brake swap on my ‘67 Cougar (manual front drum to manual front disk). I bought a ‘75 Maverick master cylinder for manual front-disk/rear drum, and plan to purchase a manual proportioning valve for the drums. Can I keep the original distribution block and rear drum residual pressure valve? Does the new master cylinder account for the different pressure in the drum lines?
I would try it out. It's too bad that the '74 Disc Brake Maverick Prop valve isn't available, that would work perfect.
The 78 Granada(etc) brass combination valve works great for all disc/drum cars.
If you find a 4 disc car, G/V, grab that valve for 4 disc.
They worked great from the factory. Better than manual valves. IMO.
I have a 1970 fastback , bought new rotors ,didn't fit , ? Turns out have granada disk brakes , lol
That happens more than you know!
How do you remove the caliper from the rotor?
Check this video out: ua-cam.com/video/hlztiLQ2weQ/v-deo.html
You can also blame mid-50s Ford owners for robbing salvage Granada spindles. I think the Granada setup was a popular mod for years. I'm looking to keep my original spindles though.
Thanks for the great information.
I have the Granada setup on my 66 fairlane and I'm using the 14 inch magnum 500 wheels. My tires rub the upper control arm. What size wheel spacer should I use to make this clear? Thanks for your help.
Not a fan of spacers. Youcan upgrade to a 15 inch wheel and tire and stop the rub problems. I have read that the 3/8-inch spacer will give you the room, but as I said, not a big fan.
Mine only rub the sidewall in full droop.
215/70 tires. M500 wheels.
No need to change.
I did try 5/16 spacers and then the tire rubbed the fender lip during bump going up a driveway.
Rather then roll the lip, I just removed the spacers.
How about for the 74-78 mustang
They have their own set up and a good aftermarket support.
I noticed you neglected saying this works on 1964-66 Mustang. Is there any extra things I may need to know when installing this to 4lug drum setup? I already have a 1976 ford Granada parts car so parts aren’t an issue. Great video :)
Yes. I don't like them for it. The tie rod position is way different. I would recommend getting the new Scott Drake spindles and bolt on disc brakes. You'll have a ton of time getting rid of the bump steer in the Granada spindle on that car. It can be done, but I am not sure what the procedure is.
@@AutoRestoMod ok, thanks. i think i will attempt to use the Granada spindles and if it gives me problems then switch to trying what you suggest.
@@ryanis_here I have the Granada set up on my 65 fastback, spindle's, rotor's , calipers and outer tie rod ends. Drives great no bump steer 1,46 60 ft at the track. Also have the Granada 9 inch in the car, perfect fit although the pinion angle has to be adjusted a bunch.
@@doughorn7257.. hi Doug , have same set-up on my 65 FB . No bump steer problems either. The only issue I have is pads dragging on discs. Is there a fix to rectify this ..cheers mate
Need a good swap guide for F100 67-72
Good idea Brock!
Will this work on a 1963 mercury monterey s55?
There are brake systems available for the S55. But this break system wont-work because it's for the Granada
I would check with autokrafters.com they have a break system for the S55 availabl
Than you I appreciate it.
Do you know if a rear end and front spindles from a 76 granada will work on a 66 Mustang?
Rear axle is too wide. The Granada brakes will bolt up, but they do induce more bumpsteer.
👍🏽Ok I appreciate for the response.
My '67 has disks up front and drums in the rear. Would this be an upgrade up front?
Not really. If you have the bolt on front mount calipers, stay with that. Brake upgrades are much easier.
No, the mustang disc is bigger.
I'm still lost so how can I make my 1970 F250 8lug to a 5 lug?
Get a set of F100 I beams and spindles.
@@AutoRestoMod Springs and rear end as well?
Shims... You can install Versailles ball joints
I use Granada tie rod ends inner and outer and just ream the tapers with tool from SPEEDWAY.
Measure your bump steer and adjust the tie rod end position using heim joint to minimize bs between -2 and +3 inches travel.
Simple.
We mentioned that Mustang Steve sells the shims for the Versatile ball joint. If you can hot rod re please provide part numbers for these things that you're talkin about.
Sorry. No numbers.
Did this several times 15-25 yrs ago.
My daily driver 63 Fairlane has Granada brakes/tie rods, ball bearing idler arm, etc.
Granada brakes work well with top grade linings for street work. You are still limited by traction.
Google "Fox Mustang bump steer kits" and you can see pictures of the bump steer correction idea for the outer tie rod end.
(Home assembled kits are much less expensive.)
Doing simple bump steer measuring allows a quick set up.
Hope this helps. 😎
BTW I reamed my inner tie rod hole in the 63 steering cross link to fit all Granada parts.
Ill mention again that if you use a Ford coil spring compresser that sucks the spring up into the tower, front end work is faster and safer.
Bump steer can be checked by only removing the shocks.
Did you knew the same exact brakes were made in England by Girling in Liverpool and were the exact brakes also supplied to Rolls Royce In the early 1960's, in fact the Ford parts that were rejected ended up on Rolls Royce corniches from 1963 on
Interesting
There are people who also use the Granada brakes on Galaxies.
Yep. I am looking at stuff for that for an upcoming episode. To include the full size would have been to bulky for one episode, so I am splitting it off.
@@AutoRestoMod
I snagged some 72 Torino disc spindles for my Galaxie. They have an awkward caliper mounting setup like the Granada. I made some brackets to mount 2001 crownvic /or cobra calipers and rotors and converted the Torino rotor-hub into just a hub. Going the aftermarket route on the drum spindles is much less work.
@@AutoRestoMod good work sir, Im really looking forward to alternatives for my '66 Galaxie 500
D7AA would be for a full sized ford. Like a LTD
Thanks for that! I think that some full size shared spindles and brakes with the Granada. Wondering how those would do on the '63 Galaxie...
The 70s torino chassis are similar but more heavy duty.
So they will not work on a ‘65 Fairlane?
Can't say that. I just plain don't know. I am looking for one to peep at in my area, but the 62-65 Fairlanes are sparse around here.
According to chockostangclassicmustang.com the 65 Fairlane v8 drum spindles are the sane disc or drum. They can be converted to discs using the factory style brakes. Chockostangclassicmustang.com
My personal cars. 👍
62-65 bolt right on.
Use Granada tie rod ends.
Ream the tapers with a tool from Speedway.
When lowered 1.5 inches bump steer is very good.
Keep your lower pivot points horizontal parallel with the ground👍
Make everything G parts for easy replacement.
Never seen the car 👍
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Yeah, but is it good?
Like so many things, it depends on your 90 percent. What will you be doing 980 percent of the time with the car? If you are doing a ton of open track and Gymkhanas, then no. If you are cruising then they will do OK.
@@AutoRestoMod lol. At least we all have options. The day we have to fabricate parts is the day these cars really start going away.
Have heard that these, Granada spindle will fit on a 1956 ford, true or false?
Honestly, I'd have to research that. I've heard that folks use them on the Galaxies too. But I would need to dig in on that. Might do a video there.
Yes but you have to modify the hole on the spindle for the tie rod to fit the 56 not a direct fit other than that everything is bolt on
@@fidolokoteproductions9128 Thank you.
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